[Videolib] NY Times on public domain films

[Deg Farrelly]

FYI

http://nyti.ms/1fmKCCh

-deg

deg farrelly, ShareStream Administrator/Media Librarian
Arizona State University Libraries
Hayden Library C1H1
P.O. Box 871006
Tempe, Arizona  85287-1006
Phone:  602.332.3103
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Re: [Videolib] Question for academic librarians re DVD screenings

[Susan Weber]

I would send the prof a respectful note, letting them know that there 
are rights issues involved when a video is screened outside the 
classroom, and offer to help clear the rights for their screening. I 
think that it is my duty as the overall manager of the media collection 
to inform our users about rights and ownership.  Many times, they will 
plead innocence and be very willing to correct their lack of knowledge.

I don't think saying nothing is the appropriate way to deal with this 
situation.  Our administration would want us to "do the right thing", 
and my role is to help to facilitate that.

Susan Weber

Media Librarian
Library
T  604.323.5533

swe...@langara.bc.ca 
Langara. 



On 17/02/2014 12:13 PM, benr...@usfca.edu wrote:
> Hi
>
> I'm interested in what, if anything, other academic librarians do if
> they get wind of a screening of non-PPR dvds that they acquired at the
> request of a professor -- screenings which are for class curricular use
> but to which the campus community is also invited (though it's very
> unlikely that many from outside the class will show up). Do you play
> cop? Say nothing? Send the professor a note after the fact? Something else?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Debbie Benrubi
> University of San Francisco
> Gleeson Library
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.
>

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Question for academic librarians re DVD screenings

[Dennis Doros]

As a distributor, I would appreciate Eileen's approach

Dennis Doros
Milestone Film & Video
milefi...@gmail.com
201-767-3117

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2014, at 4:25 PM, "Karsten, Eileen"  
> wrote:
> 
> If you are sure the professor is using the Library copy, you could send him a 
> note.  In the note, you could mention that you have heard that he is showing 
> Movie X and has invited the community.  You inform him, if he is using the 
> Library’s DVD copy, the Library does not have PPR for it.   If he needs any 
> help finding PPR for the movie, the Library would be glad to help him.  After 
> that the ball is in the professor’s court to tell you he has PPR or ignore 
> your note.  I am assuming your university does not have a policy covering 
> this situation.
>  
>  
> Eileen Karsten
> Head of Technical Services
> Donnelley & Lee Library
> Lake Forest College
> 555 N. Sheridan Road
> Lake Forest, IL 60045
> kars...@mx.lakeforest.edu
> 847-735-5066
>  
>  
>  
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of benr...@usfca.edu
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 2:13 PM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: [Videolib] Question for academic librarians re DVD screenings
>  
> Hi
>  
> I'm interested in what, if anything, other academic librarians do if they get 
> wind of a screening of non-PPR dvds that they acquired at the request of a 
> professor -- screenings which are for class curricular use but to which the 
> campus community is also invited (though it's very unlikely that many from 
> outside the class will show up). Do you play cop? Say nothing? Send the 
> professor a note after the fact? Something else? 
>  
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>  
> Debbie Benrubi
> University of San Francisco
> Gleeson Library
>  
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Question for academic librarians re DVD screenings

[Karsten, Eileen]

If you are sure the professor is using the Library copy, you could send him a 
note.  In the note, you could mention that you have heard that he is showing 
Movie X and has invited the community.  You inform him, if he is using the 
Library’s DVD copy, the Library does not have PPR for it.   If he needs any 
help finding PPR for the movie, the Library would be glad to help him.  After 
that the ball is in the professor’s court to tell you he has PPR or ignore your 
note.  I am assuming your university does not have a policy covering this 
situation.


Eileen Karsten
Head of Technical Services
Donnelley & Lee Library
Lake Forest College
555 N. Sheridan Road
Lake Forest, IL 60045
kars...@mx.lakeforest.edu
847-735-5066



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[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of benr...@usfca.edu
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 2:13 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Question for academic librarians re DVD screenings

Hi

I'm interested in what, if anything, other academic librarians do if they get 
wind of a screening of non-PPR dvds that they acquired at the request of a 
professor -- screenings which are for class curricular use but to which the 
campus community is also invited (though it's very unlikely that many from 
outside the class will show up). Do you play cop? Say nothing? Send the 
professor a note after the fact? Something else?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Debbie Benrubi
University of San Francisco
Gleeson Library

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Question for academic librarians re DVD screenings

[Randal Baier]

I usually leave that alone. It's up to the faculty member to follow these 
limitations also. In general, if a few people come to a class, during the 
published class time, I don't consider that much of an issue. They are probably 
tangentially related, although not technically enrolled. 

If someone breaks out popcorn, well, has the threshold been compromised? Does 
the center hold? I'd say the center still holds. What if they add butter? 
Still, it's within the field of the mutual co-prosperity sphere. 

Next level, is it out of the classroom, or at another time, are there flyers? 
Have they added a public address system and a campus tuk-tuk driving around 
that announces "Documentary on Body Piercing. WGSTLBRTWQ Dept. 5pm. Discussion 
at 11." The centrifugal awareness starts to intervene, things are beginning to 
fall apart. Hmm, maybe it's time for a little hint of P(PR). 

And finally -- "Hey we found this video for $19.95 on Amazon even though Icarus 
is selling it for $500. Let's do a campus special showing and get the 
auditorium!" Ok, at this point the atom has been split. 

You know, Shelley Berman used to do a routine related to this, albeit in 
50s-style irony, and on a 33 1/3 rpm LP to boot, about a first kiss on a first 
date. 



<< Father's advice to his daughter on a first date. (apologies to Shelley 
Berman) >> 

"OK, it's your first date, and he's gonna bring you to the door, and your gonna 
wonder  

The first kiss, that's his business,  

The second kiss, that's your business,  

The third kiss (dad looking through the curtains) . that's MY BUSINESS!! 
.. " 





hahahahahhahhaa  now, go out and get your quota. 




== 
Randal Baier 
Eastern Michigan University 
Ypsilanti, Michigan 48197 
( 734) 487-2520 
rba...@emich.edu 
tweets @rbaier – skypes @ randalbaier 
"Joy was his song, and joy so pure, A heart of star by him could steer." -- 
e.e. cummings 

- Original Message -

From: benr...@usfca.edu 
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu 
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 3:13:03 PM 
Subject: [Videolib] Question for academic librarians re DVD screenings 


Hi 


I'm interested in what, if anything, other academic librarians do if they get 
wind of a screening of non-PPR dvds that they acquired at the request of a 
professor -- screenings which are for class curricular use but to which the 
campus community is also invited (though it's very unlikely that many from 
outside the class will show up). Do you play cop? Say nothing? Send the 
professor a note after the fact? Something else? 


Thanks for your thoughts. 


Debbie Benrubi 
University of San Francisco 
Gleeson Library 

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors. 

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Question for academic librarians re DVD screenings

[benr...@usfca.edu]

Hi
I'm interested in what, if anything, other academic librarians do if they get 
wind of a screening of non-PPR dvds that they acquired at the request of a 
professor -- screenings which are for class curricular use but to which the 
campus community is also invited (though it's very unlikely that many from 
outside the class will show up). Do you play cop? Say nothing? Send the 
professor a note after the fact? Something else? 

Thanks for your thoughts.

Debbie Benrubi
University of San Francisco
Gleeson Library

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Vietnamese Film

[Jessica Rosner]

Sorry I have been known to misspell my own name ( but oddly I never
misspell Greg Maddux ) . I am psycho sensitive re youtube because folks
here have posted it NOT as sarcasm and it often used by professors.

Honestly the NY Times thing is important because it is the difference
between knowing whether a film ever had US distribution.

I would never mean to be snarky with YOU.


On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Elena Wayne  wrote:

> Jessica... Pardon my snarky response. Ive known you for at least
> twenty five years.. it's ELENA NOT ELANA AND PLEASE NOTE THE ;-) it is
> meant as SARCASM! I was NEVER suggesting the use of the youtube copy
> AND yes your snark is showing.. Have a Great Week...
> Everybody.. stay warm...
>
> ELENA
>
>
>
> Quoting Jessica Rosner :
>
> > Elana & Rhonda
> > The Times did NOT review it, that is merely a summery. I am not trying to
> > snarky , the difference is crucial. The Times is basically the only
> > publication that reviews all films that have theatrical openings in the
> US
> > ( unless they  never open in NYC) and the real reviews do list the
> > distributor. Variety is by far the better source for a film without US
> > distribution. I don't see anything on the BFI site that has contact info
> > but certainly  Phouc Sang is who you want to reach.
> >
> > Also wile I realize you were trying to helpful it is never a good idea to
> > use bootlegs on youtube. They are worse than pirate DVDs. I have had the
> > misfortune MANY times of people listing films I am working on youtube
> LONG
> > before we can get them out in the US and it is one the key factors in why
> > it is so much harder to distribute foreign films in the US. I was also
> > recently in touch with someone who spend YEARS to clear the rights of
> > classic film including a writers estate and TWO studios and he just saw
> it
> > up on youtube. It is not a rare film so libraries would clearly get legal
> > copies but the point is virtually every feature film on Youtube is
> illegal
> > and it really does effect the ability of filmmakers and distributors to
> put
> > out high quality and legal copies  when people use Youtube as a resource.
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Elena Wayne 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Rhonda,
> >>
> >> Here is a link to info on Phuoc Sang Films It appears it was reviewed
> >> by the NY Times.
> >>
> >>
> http://vietnamnews.vn/sunday/inner-sanctum/231237/director-prefers-artistic-films-but-money-rules.html
> >>
> >> BFI has this studio listed
> >> http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/organisation/216332
> >>
> >> Might also try this Linkedin group...
> >> http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=1933262&trk=anet_ug_hm
> >>
> >>
> http://www.nytimes.com/movies/movie/379673/The-White-Silk-Dress/overview
> >>
> >> And of course here it is.. on YOUTUBE: ;-)
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3twvSiZWxo
> >>
> >> Quoting Rhonda Pancoe :
> >>
> >> > Jessica,
> >> >
> >> > I appreciate your quick and very informative reply to my inquiry.   It
> >> > certainly will help me with this and future requests I know I will
> >> > receive.  I had already asked the student group to help track it down
> as
> >> I
> >> > could not find that it was released in the US either.
> >> >
> >> > Rhonda Pancoe
> >> > Media Acquisitions Coordinator
> >> > Colgate University
> >> > 13 Oak Drive
> >> > Hamilton, NY  13346
> >> > 315-228-7858 Phone
> >> > 315-228-6227 Fax
> >> > rpan...@colgate.edu
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Jessica Rosner <
> maddux2...@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> OK guys I am going to do this for the last time since there are a
> lot of
> >> >> posts like this.
> >> >>
> >> >> First probably 99% of films made outside of the US NEVER PICK UP US
> >> >> DISTRIBUTION this does NOT mean they do not have a rights holder but
> it
> >> >> means you are going to have to track them down outside the US which
> is
> >> >> tricky and often insanely expensive but to be fair there are
> sometimes
> >> >> happy stories just not a lot.
> >> >>
> >> >> This film was made in 2006 and it is clear it was never distributed
> in
> >> the
> >> >> US. I am not even clear if it ever showed in festivals. Actually the
> >> VERY
> >> >> first place I try is of all things ROTTEN TOMATOES for the critics
> >> reviews.
> >> >> This will make it clear if the film ever had US distribution in this
> >> case
> >> >> it did not. There are no US reviews. It does however have a Variety
> >> review
> >> >> which is the BEST place to get info in these situations. Variety
> reviews
> >> >> will usually list both producers, production company and SALES agent
> and
> >> >> that is where you will have to go. In this case it is listed as the
> >> HANOI
> >> >> MEDIA GROUP but I can't find them. In many cases you will find it
> may be
> >> >> one of the large European companies like Studio Canal, MK2, Gaumont
> etc
> >> and
> >> >> they are not the friendliest types.
> >> >>
> >> >> I don't know how libra

Re: [Videolib] Vietnamese Film

[Elena Wayne]

Jessica... Pardon my snarky response. Ive known you for at least  
twenty five years.. it's ELENA NOT ELANA AND PLEASE NOTE THE ;-) it is  
meant as SARCASM! I was NEVER suggesting the use of the youtube copy  
AND yes your snark is showing.. Have a Great Week...
Everybody.. stay warm...

ELENA



Quoting Jessica Rosner :

> Elana & Rhonda
> The Times did NOT review it, that is merely a summery. I am not trying to
> snarky , the difference is crucial. The Times is basically the only
> publication that reviews all films that have theatrical openings in the US
> ( unless they  never open in NYC) and the real reviews do list the
> distributor. Variety is by far the better source for a film without US
> distribution. I don't see anything on the BFI site that has contact info
> but certainly  Phouc Sang is who you want to reach.
>
> Also wile I realize you were trying to helpful it is never a good idea to
> use bootlegs on youtube. They are worse than pirate DVDs. I have had the
> misfortune MANY times of people listing films I am working on youtube LONG
> before we can get them out in the US and it is one the key factors in why
> it is so much harder to distribute foreign films in the US. I was also
> recently in touch with someone who spend YEARS to clear the rights of
> classic film including a writers estate and TWO studios and he just saw it
> up on youtube. It is not a rare film so libraries would clearly get legal
> copies but the point is virtually every feature film on Youtube is illegal
> and it really does effect the ability of filmmakers and distributors to put
> out high quality and legal copies  when people use Youtube as a resource.
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Elena Wayne  wrote:
>
>> Hello Rhonda,
>>
>> Here is a link to info on Phuoc Sang Films It appears it was reviewed
>> by the NY Times.
>>
>> http://vietnamnews.vn/sunday/inner-sanctum/231237/director-prefers-artistic-films-but-money-rules.html
>>
>> BFI has this studio listed
>> http://ftvdb.bfi.org.uk/sift/organisation/216332
>>
>> Might also try this Linkedin group...
>> http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=1933262&trk=anet_ug_hm
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/movies/movie/379673/The-White-Silk-Dress/overview
>>
>> And of course here it is.. on YOUTUBE: ;-)
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3twvSiZWxo
>>
>> Quoting Rhonda Pancoe :
>>
>> > Jessica,
>> >
>> > I appreciate your quick and very informative reply to my inquiry.   It
>> > certainly will help me with this and future requests I know I will
>> > receive.  I had already asked the student group to help track it down as
>> I
>> > could not find that it was released in the US either.
>> >
>> > Rhonda Pancoe
>> > Media Acquisitions Coordinator
>> > Colgate University
>> > 13 Oak Drive
>> > Hamilton, NY  13346
>> > 315-228-7858 Phone
>> > 315-228-6227 Fax
>> > rpan...@colgate.edu
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 10:56 AM, Jessica Rosner > >wrote:
>> >
>> >> OK guys I am going to do this for the last time since there are a lot of
>> >> posts like this.
>> >>
>> >> First probably 99% of films made outside of the US NEVER PICK UP US
>> >> DISTRIBUTION this does NOT mean they do not have a rights holder but it
>> >> means you are going to have to track them down outside the US which is
>> >> tricky and often insanely expensive but to be fair there are sometimes
>> >> happy stories just not a lot.
>> >>
>> >> This film was made in 2006 and it is clear it was never distributed in
>> the
>> >> US. I am not even clear if it ever showed in festivals. Actually the
>> VERY
>> >> first place I try is of all things ROTTEN TOMATOES for the critics
>> reviews.
>> >> This will make it clear if the film ever had US distribution in this
>> case
>> >> it did not. There are no US reviews. It does however have a Variety
>> review
>> >> which is the BEST place to get info in these situations. Variety reviews
>> >> will usually list both producers, production company and SALES agent and
>> >> that is where you will have to go. In this case it is listed as the
>> HANOI
>> >> MEDIA GROUP but I can't find them. In many cases you will find it may be
>> >> one of the large European companies like Studio Canal, MK2, Gaumont etc
>> and
>> >> they are not the friendliest types.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know how librarians feel about this but since this is a request
>> >> from a student group I think the onus should be on them to track it down
>> >> and see if they can obtain rights and provide the school with clear
>> >> documentation.
>> >>
>> >> Bottom line is a bitch to track this kind of stuff down and there is no
>> >> right to show a film to an audience if you can't clear the rights so
>> >> sometimes students or even professors will have to live with not being
>> able
>> >> to show the film. In this case I doubt one could even find a legal copy
>> for
>> >> classroom use since I don't see any overseas reviews except one
>> relatively
>> >> obscure one.
>> >>
>> >> Good luck
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On