[VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing
any chance of a photo? the bridge, nut and 2x5 tuners of the charango would be just the job for a 5c. ... something. - capt. walton --- Ed Durbrow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have in my possession a quasi-Baroque guitar. It was actually Bob Strizich's first Baroque guitar. It is just a Mexican classical guitar where he squeezed ten tuners on to the headstock and re- drilled the saddle. Works like a charm. On Oct 23, 2007, at 9:38 PM, bill kilpatrick wrote: frankenstein was always a favorite - might have left me with this monstrous yen to ... modify. the worst - least esthetic - example i've seen so far is this: http://www.geocities.com/donaldsauter/qbarq.htm .. which has 3 paired courses. i don't know ... maybe i'll do it, maybe not - right now i've got olives to pick. - bill --- Eugene C. Braig IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I tend to prefer to not alter the configuration of my instruments. I like them to function as there builders made them. I prefer to buy the instruments that already function as I'd like. That said, I take absolutely no issue at all with anybody else who would like to tinker ad nauseam with there own stuff. However, I'm not entirely clear on what you're trying to do. Are you setting this up as a 5-course instrument with two doubled courses, or a 6-course with one? If the former, I'd double the two bass-most courses (or leave it as is and retune one of your charangos); most 5-course music has the upper three courses in unison; bourdons come into play on the lower two. If the latter, I'm not sure how I'd want to approach it. I suppose I'd ask yourself why? What do you want of an xtra octave? What music are you trying to emulate? Eugene At 04:31 PM 10/20/2007, bill kilpatrick wrote: i might add that the suggested tuning for the guitalele is (bass to treble) a-d-g-b-e-a. this works quite well as a 5c. guitar with an extra a for - more or less - familiar guitar chord patterns. i thought the hole for the 7th tuner would be placed in the center, at the top of tuning platform - removing the ma from the golden yamaha logo (making it thus a ya-ha baroque-ish guitar.) --- bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a timely posting ... for months now i've wanted to put an additional string on my yamaha gl-1 guitalele: http://www.musik-schaller.com/shop/product_info.php? products_id=737osCsid=11 .. to make an octave bourdon. this idea stems from the following article: http://www.classicalguitar.ws/baroque.shtml i bought a banjo tuner back from the states for the purpose and would be grateful to know which course you might recommend for it? - bill --- Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monica Hall has made slight changes to her commentaries on the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v, and this might be a good time to remind us all of this excellent resource, now in its updated form on my website: http://www.rmguitar.info/Monica/Frontpage.htm - Monica has made a compilation of original commentaries on baroque guitar stringing, to which she has added her translations (some of which can be considered improvements on previous translations) and her insightful personal commentaries. Rob www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ === message truncated === http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing
frankenstein was always a favorite - might have left me with this monstrous yen to ... modify. the worst - least esthetic - example i've seen so far is this: http://www.geocities.com/donaldsauter/qbarq.htm .. which has 3 paired courses. i don't know ... maybe i'll do it, maybe not - right now i've got olives to pick. - bill --- Eugene C. Braig IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I tend to prefer to not alter the configuration of my instruments. I like them to function as there builders made them. I prefer to buy the instruments that already function as I'd like. That said, I take absolutely no issue at all with anybody else who would like to tinker ad nauseam with there own stuff. However, I'm not entirely clear on what you're trying to do. Are you setting this up as a 5-course instrument with two doubled courses, or a 6-course with one? If the former, I'd double the two bass-most courses (or leave it as is and retune one of your charangos); most 5-course music has the upper three courses in unison; bourdons come into play on the lower two. If the latter, I'm not sure how I'd want to approach it. I suppose I'd ask yourself why? What do you want of an xtra octave? What music are you trying to emulate? Eugene At 04:31 PM 10/20/2007, bill kilpatrick wrote: i might add that the suggested tuning for the guitalele is (bass to treble) a-d-g-b-e-a. this works quite well as a 5c. guitar with an extra a for - more or less - familiar guitar chord patterns. i thought the hole for the 7th tuner would be placed in the center, at the top of tuning platform - removing the ma from the golden yamaha logo (making it thus a ya-ha baroque-ish guitar.) --- bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a timely posting ... for months now i've wanted to put an additional string on my yamaha gl-1 guitalele: http://www.musik-schaller.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=737osCsid=11 .. to make an octave bourdon. this idea stems from the following article: http://www.classicalguitar.ws/baroque.shtml i bought a banjo tuner back from the states for the purpose and would be grateful to know which course you might recommend for it? - bill --- Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monica Hall has made slight changes to her commentaries on the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v, and this might be a good time to remind us all of this excellent resource, now in its updated form on my website: http://www.rmguitar.info/Monica/Frontpage.htm - Monica has made a compilation of original commentaries on baroque guitar stringing, to which she has added her translations (some of which can be considered improvements on previous translations) and her insightful personal commentaries. Rob www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing
I have in my possession a quasi-Baroque guitar. It was actually Bob Strizich's first Baroque guitar. It is just a Mexican classical guitar where he squeezed ten tuners on to the headstock and re- drilled the saddle. Works like a charm. On Oct 23, 2007, at 9:38 PM, bill kilpatrick wrote: frankenstein was always a favorite - might have left me with this monstrous yen to ... modify. the worst - least esthetic - example i've seen so far is this: http://www.geocities.com/donaldsauter/qbarq.htm .. which has 3 paired courses. i don't know ... maybe i'll do it, maybe not - right now i've got olives to pick. - bill --- Eugene C. Braig IV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I tend to prefer to not alter the configuration of my instruments. I like them to function as there builders made them. I prefer to buy the instruments that already function as I'd like. That said, I take absolutely no issue at all with anybody else who would like to tinker ad nauseam with there own stuff. However, I'm not entirely clear on what you're trying to do. Are you setting this up as a 5-course instrument with two doubled courses, or a 6-course with one? If the former, I'd double the two bass-most courses (or leave it as is and retune one of your charangos); most 5-course music has the upper three courses in unison; bourdons come into play on the lower two. If the latter, I'm not sure how I'd want to approach it. I suppose I'd ask yourself why? What do you want of an xtra octave? What music are you trying to emulate? Eugene At 04:31 PM 10/20/2007, bill kilpatrick wrote: i might add that the suggested tuning for the guitalele is (bass to treble) a-d-g-b-e-a. this works quite well as a 5c. guitar with an extra a for - more or less - familiar guitar chord patterns. i thought the hole for the 7th tuner would be placed in the center, at the top of tuning platform - removing the ma from the golden yamaha logo (making it thus a ya-ha baroque-ish guitar.) --- bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a timely posting ... for months now i've wanted to put an additional string on my yamaha gl-1 guitalele: http://www.musik-schaller.com/shop/product_info.php? products_id=737osCsid=11 .. to make an octave bourdon. this idea stems from the following article: http://www.classicalguitar.ws/baroque.shtml i bought a banjo tuner back from the states for the purpose and would be grateful to know which course you might recommend for it? - bill --- Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monica Hall has made slight changes to her commentaries on the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v, and this might be a good time to remind us all of this excellent resource, now in its updated form on my website: http://www.rmguitar.info/Monica/Frontpage.htm - Monica has made a compilation of original commentaries on baroque guitar stringing, to which she has added her translations (some of which can be considered improvements on previous translations) and her insightful personal commentaries. Rob www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html Ed Durbrow Saitama, Japan [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www9.plala.or.jp/edurbrow/
[VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing
Personally, I tend to prefer to not alter the configuration of my instruments. I like them to function as there builders made them. I prefer to buy the instruments that already function as I'd like. That said, I take absolutely no issue at all with anybody else who would like to tinker ad nauseam with there own stuff. However, I'm not entirely clear on what you're trying to do. Are you setting this up as a 5-course instrument with two doubled courses, or a 6-course with one? If the former, I'd double the two bass-most courses (or leave it as is and retune one of your charangos); most 5-course music has the upper three courses in unison; bourdons come into play on the lower two. If the latter, I'm not sure how I'd want to approach it. I suppose I'd ask yourself why? What do you want of an xtra octave? What music are you trying to emulate? Eugene At 04:31 PM 10/20/2007, bill kilpatrick wrote: i might add that the suggested tuning for the guitalele is (bass to treble) a-d-g-b-e-a. this works quite well as a 5c. guitar with an extra a for - more or less - familiar guitar chord patterns. i thought the hole for the 7th tuner would be placed in the center, at the top of tuning platform - removing the ma from the golden yamaha logo (making it thus a ya-ha baroque-ish guitar.) --- bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a timely posting ... for months now i've wanted to put an additional string on my yamaha gl-1 guitalele: http://www.musik-schaller.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=737osCsid=11 .. to make an octave bourdon. this idea stems from the following article: http://www.classicalguitar.ws/baroque.shtml i bought a banjo tuner back from the states for the purpose and would be grateful to know which course you might recommend for it? - bill --- Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monica Hall has made slight changes to her commentaries on the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v, and this might be a good time to remind us all of this excellent resource, now in its updated form on my website: http://www.rmguitar.info/Monica/Frontpage.htm - Monica has made a compilation of original commentaries on baroque guitar stringing, to which she has added her translations (some of which can be considered improvements on previous translations) and her insightful personal commentaries. Rob www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing
Monica Hall wrote: Many thanks to Rob - who has valiantly made the changes and made it available again. It has had a few ups and downs. The bit about the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v is at the end of the section on Italy although it doesn't appear in the list on the Front Page. Any comments and corrections are always welcome. I update it as the opportunity arises. Monica This is an extremely valuable source. Many thanks for making it available. I have looked at these pages before and I have just been looking at them again today. I suspect many of us got what we know about Baroque guitar stringing mainly through the work of James Tyler. Here we have much of the evidence to make up our own minds. Or rather, it doesn't look like the evidence is strong enough to make up our minds about very much! Monica, would it be pernickety to suggest that what you call the 'conventional tuning' has three possibilities. The Ribayez extract says that the bourdons were usually placed on the treble side of the course - implying of course, that they could have been the other way - the 'usual' way (i.e.as on lutes..and vihuelas?). So for the fifth 'course' :- aA, Aa AA as a third possibility as suggested by Sanz (for 'noisy' music)? (and ditto fourth course) I think the implicit conclusion that you are drawing from all this is simply: stringing varied a lot. But would it be possible to sum up what positive evidence there is, perhaps in the form of a table. For example, for Sanz, at least at the time he wrote the extract you translate, he would definitely prefer a re-entrant tuning. And you could have a distinction between 'explicitly stated' and 'implied'. Sanz seems pretty explicit whereas Guerau's instructions definitely imply a 'conventional' tuning. But perhaps you'd rather let your readers do the work. Stuart To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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the information you provide for the octave stringing on the 3rd course is particularly interesting to me - also because of it's relation to the violin. i assume the violin would have been prevelant in ensemble play at that time and therefore something of a (pre-standard) touch-stone for everyone tuning up. i also assume that a bourdon in the treble range would be better suited to something small and strummy - as opposed to something larger, to be plucked with the fingers. would a bourdon on one course offer advantages over those on another course? ... or is it simply a matter of personal choice, relating to size of instrument, repertoire and tuning? - bill --- Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks to Rob - who has valiantly made the changes and made it available again. It has had a few ups and downs. The bit about the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v is at the end of the section on Italy although it doesn't appear in the list on the Front Page. Any comments and corrections are always welcome. I update it as the opportunity arises. Monica - Original Message - From: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Vihuela List' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:11 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] BG stringing Monica Hall has made slight changes to her commentaries on the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v, and this might be a good time to remind us all of this excellent resource, now in its updated form on my website: http://www.rmguitar.info/Monica/Frontpage.htm - Monica has made a compilation of original commentaries on baroque guitar stringing, to which she has added her translations (some of which can be considered improvements on previous translations) and her insightful personal commentaries. Rob www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html
[VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing
I suspect many of us got what we know about Baroque guitar stringing mainly through the work of James Tyler. Here we have much of the evidence to make up our own minds. Or rather, it doesn't look like the evidence is strong enough to make up our minds about very much! Well ...I don't want to start a lengthy discussion on this yet again as it has been discussed endlessly before. However, I wrote this booklet for the Lute Society which is rather longer and more detailed. At the end there are tables listing the sources chronologically by place of origin with a summary of what they say - so you could buy a copy price £2.50 I think. When Rob invited me to put something on his Music in Time web site I did a much shorter version - just the texts and translations with some illustratiions and very brief comments. Since then I have done a more detailed version of that version which Tom Heck is going to put on a web site devouted to the guitar - but he hasn't done so yet...I'll let you know when he does. The idea was to make available as much of the evidence as possible in one place as most people don't have a chance to see these things themselves. Then they could make up their own minds... Once you do that there are is the whole question of how you evaluate what the sources say...Are they accurate? Did the guy that wrote the book know what he was talking about? Did everyone who read the book agree with what it says? How far is information in one source relevant to another? And so on ad infinitum. Monica, would it be pernickety to suggest that what you call the 'conventional tuning' has three possibilities. The Ribayez extract says that the bourdons were usually placed on the treble side of the course - implying of course, that they could have been the other way - the 'usual' way (i.e.as on lutes..and vihuelas?). So for the fifth 'course' :- aA, Aa AA as a third possibility as suggested by Sanz (for 'noisy' music)? (and ditto fourth course) If you want a yes and no answer ...I can't give you one. What Ribayaz says suggests that it was usual to put the treble string on the thumb side of the course and it would therefore be unusual to do otherwise. However I think that the fact that as late as the middle of the 18th century the guitar was still strung like this when it wasn't really necessary for the kind of music written then suggests that it is very characteristic of the instrument. I think the implicit conclusion that you are drawing from all this is simply: stringing varied a lot. Well...that is what Sanz says...there were different ways of stringing and different people have different ideas about what works best...human beings are like that...We can just do the same. But would it be possible to sum up what positive evidence there is, perhaps in the form of a table. For example, for Sanz, at least at the time he wrote the extract you translate, he would definitely prefer a re-entrant tuning. And you could have a distinction between 'explicitly stated' and 'implied'. Sanz seems pretty explicit whereas Guerau's instructions definitely imply a 'conventional' tuning. Sanz says that the re-entrant tuning is best for the modern way of composing, but octave stringing is better for accompanying a bass line. But perhaps you'd rather let your readers do the work. Well...that was the idea, but then poeple keep interpreting what I have said in ways which are completely different from what I intendedC'est la vie... Monica To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing
would a bourdon on one course offer advantages over those on another course? ... or is it simply a matter of personal choice, relating to size of instrument, repertoire and tuning? Very briefly I would say that having the bordon in the middle of the instrument is associated with plectrum playing. The cittern which is played with a plectrum has a re-entrant tuning. This enables you to play the melodic line with down and up strokes on the outer courses and when strumming although the lowest sounding string is in the middle it will still sound the lowest note of the chord. The 4-course guitar would have originally have been played with a plectrum which may be why it originally had a re-entrant tuning. Monica --- Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks to Rob - who has valiantly made the changes and made it available again. It has had a few ups and downs. The bit about the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v is at the end of the section on Italy although it doesn't appear in the list on the Front Page. Any comments and corrections are always welcome. I update it as the opportunity arises. Monica - Original Message - From: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Vihuela List' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:11 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] BG stringing Monica Hall has made slight changes to her commentaries on the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v, and this might be a good time to remind us all of this excellent resource, now in its updated form on my website: http://www.rmguitar.info/Monica/Frontpage.htm - Monica has made a compilation of original commentaries on baroque guitar stringing, to which she has added her translations (some of which can be considered improvements on previous translations) and her insightful personal commentaries. Rob www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Want ideas for reducing your carbon footprint? Visit Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/environment.html
[VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing
I sent this earlier but it doesn't seem to have gone through. I'm sending it again in case anyone is interested The bit about the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v is at the end of the section on Italy although it doesn't appear in the list on the Front Page. What does the pen drawing of a guitar look like on the fol. 2v of this MS (you've got a photocopy of it)? I'm particularly interested in the number of pegs if they are at all shown and / or distinguishable. Yes - I have a copy of the ms. In the illustration the guitar is lying on a table. It appears to have a vaulted back with rather deep ribs. It has 9 pegs (not surprisingly), 4 on the bass side and 5 on the treble side and 7 double frets. The strings aren't very clearly drawn. It has a strap or ribbon running from the nut to the top of the head. Would you like me to send you a copy? The Res. Vmf.35 has a lovely pen drawing of a vaulted-back guitar with 9 pegs, so I'm just curious ... I don't think I have seen this - is it on your web site? Also, did you have a chance to see Millioni's 1636 edition (Res. Vmf. 44) which is supposed to contain alfabeto for a 4-string / course Italian chitarrino (ghitarra italiana)? Just wondering if it's got any indications for its stringing. I haven't seen this. A chitarrino should be a small lute rather than a guitar which is a chitarriglia. Monica To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing
Many thanks to Rob - who has valiantly made the changes and made it available again. It has had a few ups and downs. The bit about the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v is at the end of the section on Italy although it doesn't appear in the list on the Front Page. Any comments and corrections are always welcome. I update it as the opportunity arises. Monica - Original Message - From: Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Vihuela List' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 9:11 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] BG stringing Monica Hall has made slight changes to her commentaries on the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v, and this might be a good time to remind us all of this excellent resource, now in its updated form on my website: http://www.rmguitar.info/Monica/Frontpage.htm - Monica has made a compilation of original commentaries on baroque guitar stringing, to which she has added her translations (some of which can be considered improvements on previous translations) and her insightful personal commentaries. Rob www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing
a timely posting ... for months now i've wanted to put an additional string on my yamaha gl-1 guitalele: http://www.musik-schaller.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=737osCsid=11 .. to make an octave bourdon. this idea stems from the following article: http://www.classicalguitar.ws/baroque.shtml i bought a banjo tuner back from the states for the purpose and would be grateful to know which course you might recommend for it? - bill --- Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monica Hall has made slight changes to her commentaries on the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v, and this might be a good time to remind us all of this excellent resource, now in its updated form on my website: http://www.rmguitar.info/Monica/Frontpage.htm - Monica has made a compilation of original commentaries on baroque guitar stringing, to which she has added her translations (some of which can be considered improvements on previous translations) and her insightful personal commentaries. Rob www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
[VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing
- Original Message - From: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 2:13 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing .. The bit about the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v is at the end of the section on Italy although it doesn't appear in the list on the Front Page. What does the pen drawing of a guitar look like on the fol. 2v of this MS (you've got a photocopy of it)? I'm particularly interested in the number of pegs if they are at all shown and / or distinguishable. The Res. Vmf.35 has a lovely pen drawing of a vaulted-back guitar with 9 pegs, so I'm just curious ... Also, did you have a chance to see Millioni's 1636 edition (Res. Vmf. 44) which is supposed to contain alfabeto for a 4-string / course Italian chitarrino (ghitarra italiana)? Just wondering if it's got any indications for its stringing. Alexander To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[VIHUELA] Re: BG stringing
i might add that the suggested tuning for the guitalele is (bass to treble) a-d-g-b-e-a. this works quite well as a 5c. guitar with an extra a for - more or less - familiar guitar chord patterns. i thought the hole for the 7th tuner would be placed in the center, at the top of tuning platform - removing the ma from the golden yamaha logo (making it thus a ya-ha baroque-ish guitar.) --- bill kilpatrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a timely posting ... for months now i've wanted to put an additional string on my yamaha gl-1 guitalele: http://www.musik-schaller.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=737osCsid=11 .. to make an octave bourdon. this idea stems from the following article: http://www.classicalguitar.ws/baroque.shtml i bought a banjo tuner back from the states for the purpose and would be grateful to know which course you might recommend for it? - bill --- Rob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Monica Hall has made slight changes to her commentaries on the Italian manuscript F:Pn.Res.Vmc ms. 59, fol. 108v, and this might be a good time to remind us all of this excellent resource, now in its updated form on my website: http://www.rmguitar.info/Monica/Frontpage.htm - Monica has made a compilation of original commentaries on baroque guitar stringing, to which she has added her translations (some of which can be considered improvements on previous translations) and her insightful personal commentaries. Rob www.rmguitar.info -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ http://billkilpatrickhaiku.blogspot.com/ ___ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/
