Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-09-08 Fir de Conversatie Ben Fritz


On Sep 7, 10:26 pm, David Wilhelm dewilh...@gmail.com wrote:
  The reason people write Javascript is because it's the only choice for
  making applications run in a browser.  Otherwise it's not a very good
  language.  I can't think of any good reason to write Vim plugins in
  Javascript instead of a decent language, such as Python.

 I just wanted to add my support to the idea of adding Javascript bindings.
 I love Vim, and I love Javascript. I would very much like to use it to write
 Vim scripts. I suspect I am not alone.

For what it's worth, other editors (notably to my knowledge,
UltraEdit) use Javascript or a Javascript-based language for their
scripting.

Personally, I never use scripting languages other than vimscript for
controlling Vim, and find it a hassle to install one for the sake of a
plugin. I haven't found a plugin yet which uses another scripting
language and I've wanted enough to try installing it. Of course, I
have installed fewer than a dozen plugins total, so maybe I'm not the
target audience for such plugins anyway.

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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-09-07 Fir de Conversatie David Wilhelm
Bram Moolenaar Bram at Moolenaar.net writes:

 
 
 Mikeyao wrote:
 
  Vim support many languages interface and I just found new lua
  interface added in 7.3. I think most programmers know javascript and
  like it, it's going to mainstream.
  Many web developers using vim, they know javascript well.
 
 The reason people write Javascript is because it's the only choice for
 making applications run in a browser.  Otherwise it's not a very good
 language.  I can't think of any good reason to write Vim plugins in
 Javascript instead of a decent language, such as Python.
 

I just wanted to add my support to the idea of adding Javascript bindings. 
I love Vim, and I love Javascript. I would very much like to use it to write 
Vim scripts. I suspect I am not alone. 


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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-25 Fir de Conversatie Patrick Texier
Le Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:51:51 +0200, Bram Moolenaar a écrit dans le
message 201007182051.o6ikpper028...@masaka.moolenaar.net :

 Announcing:  Vim (Vi IMproved) version 7.3a BETA

Thanks Bram and all working for this version. rnu is a very good idea.
I can compile with Borland C++ 5.5 / Win 98 (huge + perl).

Attached patch explains a variable for LifeLines syntax coloring.
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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-25 Fir de Conversatie Bram Moolenaar

Patrick Texier wrote:

 Le Sun, 18 Jul 2010 22:51:51 +0200, Bram Moolenaar a écrit dans le
 message 201007182051.o6ikpper028...@masaka.moolenaar.net :
 
  Announcing:  Vim (Vi IMproved) version 7.3a BETA
 
 Thanks Bram and all working for this version. rnu is a very good idea.
 I can compile with Borland C++ 5.5 / Win 98 (huge + perl).
 
 Attached patch explains a variable for LifeLines syntax coloring.

Thanks.

Next version coming up...

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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-21 Fir de Conversatie Bram Moolenaar

Mikeyao (?) wrote:

 Why not javascript interface ?
 
 The code has developed.
 http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2375

I haven't actually heard from someone using it.

Also, I have no idea why someone would want to write plugins in
Javascript.  Perhaps because it's the only language someone knows?

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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-21 Fir de Conversatie mikeyao
Vim support many languages interface and I just found new lua
interface added in 7.3. I think most programmers know javascript and
like it, it's going to mainstream.
Many web developers using vim, they know javascript well.



On Jul 21, 5:38 pm, Bram Moolenaar b...@moolenaar.net wrote:
 Mikeyao (?) wrote:
  Why not javascript interface ?

  The code has developed.
 http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2375

 I haven't actually heard from someone using it.

 Also, I have no idea why someone would want to write plugins in
 Javascript.  Perhaps because it's the only language someone knows?

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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-21 Fir de Conversatie Matt Wozniski
Please bottom post on this list... I'm reformatting...

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:05 AM, mikeyao yaoweiz...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Jul 21, 5:38 pm, Bram Moolenaar b...@moolenaar.net wrote:
 Mikeyao (?) wrote:
  Why not javascript interface ?

  The code has developed.
 http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2375

 I haven't actually heard from someone using it.

 Also, I have no idea why someone would want to write plugins in
 Javascript.  Perhaps because it's the only language someone knows?

 Vim support many languages interface and I just found new lua
 interface added in 7.3. I think most programmers know javascript and
 like it, it's going to mainstream.
 Many web developers using vim, they know javascript well.

I haven't tried the JS interface patch, but I definitely would like to
see a javascript interface.  I don't know Lua, TCL or Ruby (though I
intend to learn the latter one day), I don't like to use Perl or
Python for anything more than a few dozen lines, and I hate Scheme
almost as much as Lisp.  Javascript is a powerful, easy to learn,
multi-paradigm language that was designed for embedding, so I think
it's a perfect fit for a Vim interface - and I personally would be
more likely to use it than any of the other interfaces.

~Matt

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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-21 Fir de Conversatie Yukihiro Nakadaira

On 2010年07月22日 00:03, Matt Wozniski wrote:

Please bottom post on this list... I'm reformatting...

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 6:05 AM, mikeyaoyaoweiz...@gmail.com  wrote:

On Jul 21, 5:38 pm, Bram Moolenaarb...@moolenaar.net  wrote:

Mikeyao (?) wrote:

Why not javascript interface ?



The code has developed.
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2375


I haven't actually heard from someone using it.

Also, I have no idea why someone would want to write plugins in
Javascript.  Perhaps because it's the only language someone knows?


Vim support many languages interface and I just found new lua
interface added in 7.3. I think most programmers know javascript and
like it, it's going to mainstream.
Many web developers using vim, they know javascript well.


I haven't tried the JS interface patch, but I definitely would like to
see a javascript interface.  I don't know Lua, TCL or Ruby (though I
intend to learn the latter one day), I don't like to use Perl or
Python for anything more than a few dozen lines, and I hate Scheme
almost as much as Lisp.  Javascript is a powerful, easy to learn,
multi-paradigm language that was designed for embedding, so I think
it's a perfect fit for a Vim interface - and I personally would be
more likely to use it than any of the other interfaces.


if_v8 is a bit different from other if_*.  It is not written as patch
for mainline.

My main goal of if_v8 plugin is to create a pluggable extension and to
find what is required and what is good way for it.

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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-21 Fir de Conversatie Bram Moolenaar

Mikeyao wrote:

 Vim support many languages interface and I just found new lua
 interface added in 7.3. I think most programmers know javascript and
 like it, it's going to mainstream.
 Many web developers using vim, they know javascript well.

The reason people write Javascript is because it's the only choice for
making applications run in a browser.  Otherwise it's not a very good
language.  I can't think of any good reason to write Vim plugins in
Javascript instead of a decent language, such as Python.

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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-20 Fir de Conversatie James Vega
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Bram Moolenaar b...@moolenaar.net wrote:
 If you can make this work with a configure argument, it's fine to
 include these changes and leave them disabled by default.  For your
 distribution, with a known environment, you could enable them.

Attached patch enables dynamic loading for Perl if
--enable-perlinterp=dynamic is used.  I also moved the use of
PERL_CFLAGS in src/Makefile so they're only used when compiling
if_perl.c and if_perlsfio.c.

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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-20 Fir de Conversatie mikeyao
Why not javascript interface ?

The code has developed.
http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2375

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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-19 Fir de Conversatie James Vega
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Bram Moolenaar b...@moolenaar.net wrote:
 The biggest additions since 7.2:
 - Persistent undo
 - Blowfish encryption, also encrypt the swap file
 - Conceal text
 - Lua interface
 - Python 3 interface

Since Vim keeps gaining support for more language interfaces, is there a
reason not to make them all dynamically loaded?  This already happens on
Windows and on configure-using systems where Python 2 and Python 3
support are enabled at the same time.

I would find this quite useful from my stance as the maintainer for the
Vim packages in Debian since that would allow me to enable the language
bindings in more packages (and enable more languages) without forcing
the users to install those libraries in order for Vim to run.  As it
currently stands, I don't build the mzscheme interface and don't plan to
build the lua or python3 interfaces.

If changing the language interfaces to dynamic loading is something that
would be accepted for 7.3, I'd be willing to work on the patches.  I
already have a first pass at doing so for the Perl interface.

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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-19 Fir de Conversatie Bram Moolenaar

James Vega wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Bram Moolenaar b...@moolenaar.net wrote:
  The biggest additions since 7.2:
  - Persistent undo
  - Blowfish encryption, also encrypt the swap file
  - Conceal text
  - Lua interface
  - Python 3 interface
 
 Since Vim keeps gaining support for more language interfaces, is there a
 reason not to make them all dynamically loaded?  This already happens on
 Windows and on configure-using systems where Python 2 and Python 3
 support are enabled at the same time.
 
 I would find this quite useful from my stance as the maintainer for the
 Vim packages in Debian since that would allow me to enable the language
 bindings in more packages (and enable more languages) without forcing
 the users to install those libraries in order for Vim to run.  As it
 currently stands, I don't build the mzscheme interface and don't plan to
 build the lua or python3 interfaces.
 
 If changing the language interfaces to dynamic loading is something that
 would be accepted for 7.3, I'd be willing to work on the patches.  I
 already have a first pass at doing so for the Perl interface.

Most Unix systems already use shared libraries.  That still means the
libraries need to be installed for Vim to startup, but memory use is
reduced a lot.

I'm not sure if this works everywhere.  Also, it increases the chance of
runtime failure, instead of failing on startup.

I see the current dynamic loading when both Python and Python 3 are
supported an experiment.  Let's see how this goes.

If you can make this work with a configure argument, it's fine to
include these changes and leave them disabled by default.  For your
distribution, with a known environment, you could enable them.

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Re: Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-19 Fir de Conversatie Dominique Pellé
Bram Moolenaar wrote:

 Please report every problem you find!  The time until a 7.3 release
 depends on how many problems are reported.

Attached patch fixes a few typos in help files.

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diff -r 7b0ae815c70a runtime/doc/ft_sql.txt
--- a/runtime/doc/ft_sql.txt	Mon Jul 19 21:51:01 2010 +0200
+++ b/runtime/doc/ft_sql.txt	Mon Jul 19 22:33:57 2010 +0200
@@ -205,7 +205,7 @@
 		*sqlanywhere*
 		*oracle* *plsql* *sqlj*
 		*sqlserver*
-		*mysql* *postgress* *psql*
+		*mysql* *postgres* *psql*
 		*informix*
 
 All relational databases support SQL.  There is a portion of SQL that is
diff -r 7b0ae815c70a runtime/doc/if_perl.txt
--- a/runtime/doc/if_perl.txt	Mon Jul 19 21:51:01 2010 +0200
+++ b/runtime/doc/if_perl.txt	Mon Jul 19 22:33:57 2010 +0200
@@ -277,7 +277,7 @@
 
 To use the Perl interface the Perl DLL must be in your search path.
 If Vim reports it cannot find the perl512.dll, make sure your $PATH includes
-the directory where it is localted.  The Perl installer normally does that.
+the directory where it is located.  The Perl installer normally does that.
 In a console window type path to see what directories are used.
 
 The name of the DLL must match the Perl version Vim was compiled with.
diff -r 7b0ae815c70a runtime/doc/mbyte.txt
--- a/runtime/doc/mbyte.txt	Mon Jul 19 21:51:01 2010 +0200
+++ b/runtime/doc/mbyte.txt	Mon Jul 19 22:33:57 2010 +0200
@@ -947,7 +947,7 @@
 WHAT IS IME
 IME is a part of East asian version Windows.  That helps you to input
 multibyte character.  English and other language version Windows does not
-have any IME.  (Also there are no need usually.) But there is one that
+have any IME.  (Also there is no need usually.) But there is one that
 called Microsoft Global IME.  Global IME is a part of Internet Explorer
 4.0 or above.  You can get more information about Global IME, at below
 URL.
diff -r 7b0ae815c70a runtime/doc/usr_32.txt
--- a/runtime/doc/usr_32.txt	Mon Jul 19 21:51:01 2010 +0200
+++ b/runtime/doc/usr_32.txt	Mon Jul 19 22:33:57 2010 +0200
@@ -29,7 +29,7 @@
 The f stands for file here.
 
 You can repeat this command to go further back in the past.  Or use a count
-diferent from 1 to go back faster.
+different from 1 to go back faster.
 
 If you go back too far, go forward again with: 
 
diff -r 7b0ae815c70a runtime/doc/version7.txt
--- a/runtime/doc/version7.txt	Mon Jul 19 21:51:01 2010 +0200
+++ b/runtime/doc/version7.txt	Mon Jul 19 22:33:57 2010 +0200
@@ -307,7 +307,7 @@
 Tab pages		*new-tab-pages*
 -
 
-A tab page is page with one or more windows with a label (aka tab) at the top.
+A tab page is a page with one or more windows with a label (aka tab) at the top.
 By clicking on the label you can quickly switch between the tab pages.  And
 with the keyboard, using the |gt| (Goto Tab) command.  This is a convenient
 way to work with many windows.
@@ -2763,7 +2763,7 @@
 A few more changes for 64 bit MS-Windows. (George Reilly)
 
 Got ml_get errors when doing o and selecting in other window where there are
-less line shorter than the cursor position in the other window.  ins_mouse()
+less lines shorter than the cursor position in the other window.  ins_mouse()
 was using position in wrong window.
 
 Win32 GUI: Crash when giving a lot of messages during startup.  Allocate twice
@@ -2943,7 +2943,7 @@
 match.  Now show the cursor after the match while still searching for matches.
 
 GUI: The mouse shape changed on the statusline even when 'mouse' was empty and
-they can't be dragged..
+they can't be dragged.
 
 GTK2: Selecting a button in the confirm() dialog with Tab or cursor keys and
 hitting Enter didn't select that button.  Removed GTK 1 specific code. (Neil
@@ -7433,7 +7433,7 @@
 Files:	src/ui.c
 
 Patch 7.2.014
-Problem:synstack() doesn't work in an emptly line.
+Problem:synstack() doesn't work in an empty line.
 Solution:   Accept column zero as a valid position.
 Files:	src/eval.c
 
@@ -7783,7 +7783,7 @@
 Files:	src/spell.c
 
 Patch 7.2.070
-Problem:Crash when a function returns a:000. (Matt Wozkiski)
+Problem:Crash when a function returns a:000. (Matt Wozniski)
 Solution:   Don't put the function struct on the stack, allocate it.  Free it
 	only when nothing in it is used.
 Files:	src/eval.c
@@ -7880,7 +7880,7 @@
 Patch 7.2.085
 Problem::set M-b=Escb does not work when 'encoding' is utf-8.
 Solution:   Put the M-b character in the input buffer as valid utf-8.
-	(partly by Matt Wosniski)
+	(partly by Matt Wozniski)
 Files:	src/term.c
 
 Patch 7.2.086
@@ -7891,7 +7891,7 @@
 
 Patch 7.2.087
 Problem:Adding URL to 'path' doesn't work to edit a file.
-Solution:   Skip simplify_filename() for URLs. (Matt Wosniski)
+Solution:   Skip simplify_filename() for URLs. 

Vim 7.3a ready for beta testing

2010-07-18 Fir de Conversatie Bram Moolenaar

Hello Vim users,


Announcing:  Vim (Vi IMproved) version 7.3a BETA


This is a BETA release of Vim 7.3.  It consists of Vim 7.2 plus all
patches, updated runtime files and some more.

7.3a both includes lots of fixes and a few new features.  Everything
needs to be tested to verify no new problems have been introduced.

Please report every problem you find!  The time until a 7.3 release
depends on how many problems are reported.

The biggest additions since 7.2:
- Persistent undo
- Blowfish encryption, also encrypt the swap file
- Conceal text
- Lua interface
- Python 3 interface

Once you have installed Vim 7.3a BETA you can find details about the
changes since Vim 7.2 with:
:help version-7.3

Known problem: The MS-Windows self-installing executable sets the wrong
path for the uninstaller.  You can uninstall Vim through the menu:
Start/All Programs/Vim 7.3a/Uninstall


Testing
---

Please especially test the persistent undo and encryption.  These need
to work reliably.

Report anything that isn't right.  That includes a crash but also a typo
in the documentation.


Gratitude
-

If you like Vim, this is the way to say thanks:
http://iccf-holland.org/clinic.html


Where to get it
---

The best way to obtain the latest Vim 7.3 is using Mercurial.
Summary:
hg clone https://vim.googlecode.com/hg/ vim
cd vim
hg update vim73
More information here: http://www.vim.org/mercurial.php

All files can be found below this directory:
ftp://ftp.vim.org/pub/vim/unstable/

Information about which files to download for what system (don't use the
links, they are still for Vim 7.2):
http://www.vim.org/download.php

A list of mirror sites can be found here:
http://www.vim.org/mirrors.php


An overview of the files below unstable:

UNIX:
unix/vim-7.3a.tar.bz2   sources + runtime files, bzip2 compressed

MS-WINDOWS one-size-fits-all:
pc/gvim73a.exe  self-installing, includes all runtime files

VARIOUS:
doc/vim73ahtml.zip  help files converted to HTML

MS-WINDOWS separate files:
pc/vim73art.zip runtime files
pc/gvim73a.zip  GUI binary for Windows 95/98/NT/2000/XP
pc/gvim73aole.zip   GUI binary with OLE support
pc/gvim73a_s.zipGUI binary for Windows 3.1 (untested)
pc/vim73ad32.zipconsole version for MS-DOS/Windows 95/98
pc/vim73aw32.zipconsole version for Windows NT/2000/XP
pc/vim73asrc.zipsources for PC (with CR-LF)

DIFFS TO PREVIOUS RELEASE:
unix/vim-7.2-7.3a.diff.gz   sources + runtime files

Omitted in this version are:
- Extra and lang archives, these are now included in the main source
  and runtime archives.
- The 16-bit DOS version, I could not build it.
- OS/2 and Amiga versions, these are obsolete.


Mailing lists
-

For user questions you can turn to the Vim mailing list.  There are a
lot of tips, scripts and solutions.  You can ask your Vim questions, but
only if you subscribe.  See http://www.vim.org/maillist.php#vim

If you want to help Vim development, discuss new features or get the
latest patches, subscribe to the vim-dev mailing list.  See
http://www.vim.org/maillist.php#vim-dev

Subject specific lists:
Multi-byte issues: http://www.vim.org/maillist.php#vim-multibyte
Macintosh issues:  http://www.vim.org/maillist.php#vim-mac

Before you ask a question you should search the archives, someone may
already have given the answer.


Reporting bugs
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Send them to vim-...@vim.org.  Please describe the problem precisely.
All the time spent on answering mail is subtracted from the time that is
spent on improving Vim!  Always give a reproducible example and try to
find out which settings or other things influence the appearance of the
bug.  Try starting without your own vimrc file: vim -u NONE.  Try
different machines if possible.  See :help bugs in Vim.  Send me a
patch if you can!


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