RE: iPhone 5S

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Rick,

The 5S was released in the fall of 2013 and it is my guess that it will still 
get iOS 11 this fall, but it is not sold officially any more and I would keep 
in mind that it is basically a 4-year old phone and would advise against buying 
it.
There should be plenty of iPhone 6 around and when the new iPhones come out 
this fall there will probably be plenty of the 6S/6S Plus for sale as well.
It all depends if you absolutely need a phone now or if you can wait another 4 
months. The person who said they are looking to upgrade to an SE is definitely 
not making that great a choice at this stage. Sounds like they have a 5S and 
again, unless it doesn't work well at all and they totally need a new phone now 
I suggest to wait. The SE is a generation newer, but while it was released 
after the 6S/6S Plus, it has the older, first generation touch Id home button 
which was in the 5S and the 6 and 6 Plus. The 6S and 6S Plus have the second 
generation Touch Id sensor which is more reliable and faster. I am quite sure 
there will be a new 4 inch phone coming out as well so if somebody absolutely 
wants that smaller size they should maye wait and see what Apple announces in 
September.
The Apple world wide developer conference is the week after next, here Apple 
will introduce iOS 11 and we may start to get some ideas based on iOS 11 
features what is coming and certainly the rumours will soon start to become 
more accurate as to what hardware may come in September.

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Justice
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 5:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone 5S

Thanks Richard, sure appreciate the input!

Rick
- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:11 PM
Subject: RE: iPhone 5S


I have a 5s that I purchased in 2013.  It is running fine.
It is running iOS 10.3.2 without a problem.
It is the first of the 64 bit processers.  I don't know how long Apple will 
continue to support them, but I have no plans to update until it dies.

Richard


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Rick Justice
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone 5S


Looking for some information from people that have experience with
this phone:
How old is this model, and is the OS upgradeable?
Apparently this particular phone has IOS 7 currently installed.
Thanks,
Rick

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RE: reading epub books on iphone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Kelsey,

Your best choice would be to get the app Voice Dream Reader. It will read ePub 
files and a lot more and it is widely regarded as the best app for reading 
eBooks and it can also read/play audio books.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Hello,
I am in a book club that several of my coworkers started.  My local library has 
an app that you can download that will allow you to request books and download 
them to your phone.  The format they use is e pub.  I tried to read the book on 
my iphone Se, but I could not get Voiceover to read the page.  It said 1 of 
488, but when I flicked right, there wasn't any sort of button that allows you 
to listen to the book.  I do have a Bard account and the mobile app, but I 
think in order to listen to a Bard book, a wifi connection is necessary which I 
do not have at my summer vacation home where I am right now.  Therefore, if 
anyone has ever used e pub format on their iphone, how do you get Voiceover to 
read the book to you or is there a way to listen to it? I don't know I could be 
doing wrong.  If anyone has used this format and has gotten it to work, please 
email me privately.  The app is called Overdrive in case this is important.  My 
email address is piano.girl0...@gmail.com Thank you, Kelsey Nicolay

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cfurious about app

[Paul Richard McGann]

to all, 

have you tried an app called SkipTheDishes at all? it is kind of app that you 
could order food or meal to be delivered from any resturant that could do 

anywaym, after updating ios 10.3.2, I got puzzled how new app showing up as it 
is called clover. have you tried? thanjk you!

sincerely, 
rich 

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tournaments in dice world

[Rebecca Ilniski]

Hi all. I reported this to feedback. I like to participate in Balut 
tournaments. One thing I have noticed is that not all rolls are counted. For 
example, tonight I had four straights. According to VO my fourth slot was empty 
so had to get 5 straights in order for it to be counted. Last night I had all 4 
Baluts covered, however, in order for them to count I had to get 2 more before 
that 4th slot filled in the game. I've seen this other times too where I have 
to get an extra set of sixes to count for that fourth set of sixes. What gives 
or am I missing something in the scoring of this game? Ayone else notice this 
in Dice World?

Rebecca and Zeb
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Re: Strange issue with FB Messanger

[Elizabeth Ulrich]

Try uninstalling messenger and reinstalling messenger. Also another update 
hopefully will fix the bug. 


Sent from my iPhone 
Liz Ulrich and leader Dog hope 
HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1

> On May 27, 2017, at 8:06 PM, 'Simon w' via VIPhone  
> wrote:
> 
> Wait for another update.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 27, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I have started encountering a very strange issue with messenger. Every time 
>> I try and open up a conversation with one specific friend messenger always 
>> crashes. It is just with this one specific friend. I tried deleting the 
>> conversation and starting a new one but this did not help. I have also 
>> restarted my phone and no luck. Anyone have any suggestions on what else I 
>> can try to do to solve this issue?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Greg Wocher
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Re: making voice over louder

[James Gibson]

I am also curious on how to make VoiceOver louder without turning up the volume 
on my cell phone I have an iPhone SE

> On May 27, 2017, at 2:50 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> If she cannot do the rotor, the first thing I would have her do is go into 
> the VoiceOver settings, Audio, and turn on audio ducking.
> That way, other audio volumes will be lowered while VoiceOver is talking.  
> That may help a little.
> Otherwise, other than the medthod you described by starting VoiceOver reading 
> and hitting the up volume button is the best way to turn it up.
> Or, have someone else check that Volume is in the rotor, have them turn the 
> rotor to volume and flick up with one finger until it is at 100%.  You may 
> get some distortion at that point, but she could see if that helps.
> Or, if she has a Bluetooth keyboard, the rotor can be done by pressing the 
> right arrow plus the up arrow to turn it clockwise, or left arrow plus up 
> arrow to turn counter clockwise.
> 
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
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> regina alvarado
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: making voice over louder
> 
> How do you turn up voice over? I thought it was starting reading and up 
> volume. I have a friend who is having difficulty getting voice over turned 
> up, and she cannot do the motion for the rotor. Thanks for any help. Maybe I 
> am telling her an incorrect way to do this?
> 
> 
> 
> Reggie and Lex
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Re: the cost of staying connected

[Kelly Pierce]

@Dan,

This is a great deal from Metro PCS.  an individual line is $30 before
taxes though, making it more expensive for those wanting just one
line. thank goodness for TPO Mobile to force Metro PCS to lower its
prices.

@Chip, the $30 T-Mobile deal is no more.  the company now steers folks
to a $40 unlimited plan.

@ed, Us Mobile and Ultra Mobile are cheaper, but they use the T-Mobile
network not the AT network of Consumer Cellular.  some like the
coverage of AT for now compared to T-Mobile.

Kelly

On 5/27/17, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> Deidre,
>
>
> why bitch about the high cost of cellular service when you say you
> want premium cell phone service from the broadest network possible.
> Premium services mean premium prices and the wireless industry is no
> exception. as stated earlier on the list, T-Mobile has most of its
> frequencies at the high end of the wireless spectrum.  this means its
> signals might not penetrate buildings or extend as Farr as those from
> other carriers.  This is particularly so outside the major metro
> areas.  Every carrier does not have great coverage in every region of
> the country.  It is important for a consumer to know the coverage
> quality of the various carriers in his area.
>
> Kelly
>
> On 5/27/17, Deidre Muccio  wrote:
>> I am so accustomed to having coverage no matter where I go and that I
>> wouldn't be able to tolerate not having coverage at the local university
>> or
>> as you say a relatives house. I I know others that use T-Mobile that have
>> this issue as well so I haven't sprung for that. For the most part I'm
>> happy
>> with what I've got. It's not cheap but at some point if I can no longer
>> afford it now pare down the service!
>>
>> Deidre
>>
>>
>>> On May 27, 2017, at 2:53 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate that line ... especially from someone who is blind, who probably
>>> benefitted most of his life from special programs, tax breaks, etc. for
>>> the blind, paid for by taxes.
>>>
>>> Chip
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of deidre muccio
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:00 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: the cost of staying connected
>>>
>>> Love that line "I pay a severe premium for living in a Socialist
>>> Paradise." I hope you were not being mocking, or were you.
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Kelly Pierce
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:07 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: the cost of staying connected
>>>
>>> The company is TPO Mobile, the People's Operator.  It is a mobile
>>> virtual
>>> network operator off the T-Mobile network.  It is available only in the
>>> United States.  I found it using the website MVNO News, which identifies
>>> the companies with the best deals.  The price includes Chicago taxes and
>>> will likely be lower in the rest of the country.  I pay a severe premium
>>> for living in a socialist paradise with its outrageous taxes.
>>>
>>>
>>> MVNO news also lists deals from other carriers, including a new deal
>>> from
>>> a Verizon MVNO.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>>
 On 5/25/17, deidre muccio  wrote:
 Who is charging you 31 including all taxes and fees?

 Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2017, at 11:19 PM, Kelly Pierce 
> wrote:
>
> My observation is that people upgrade too early.  If folks kept their
> iPhone for four years instead of two, the annual cost of an iPhone
> would be substantially reduced.  I did this when I bought my iPhone 5
> in 2012 and then upgraded to an iPhone 7 in 2016, selling my iPhone 5
> on Craigslist for $120. Further, when I first started out, I did not
> use the phone much and had a prepaid service for $16 a month where I
> had 100 minutes, 100 texts and 500 MB of data a month. Now I use my
> phone a lot more and pay $31 including taxes for 2 GB of data with
> unlimited talk and texts.  This level of service should be plenty for
> virtually all blind users who can jump on WIFI every so often for app
> updates and downloads along with downloading podcasts and audio books.
> For most people, paying more for cell phone service is unnecessary.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
>> On 5/24/17, MamaPeach  wrote:
>> That is what I did, I gave up my iPhone, and am now using a simple
>> flip phone that does have speech and it only costs me $25 every 30
>> days through Walmart's Total Wireless unlimited talk and text plan.
>> We cut cable and now
>>
>> only use NetFlix and Hulu for watching TV shows and movies. We pay
>> $64.99
>> for our internet each month, which allows me to do what I want and I
>> do have
>>
>> 

Re: the cost of staying connected

[Kelly Pierce]

Deidre,


why bitch about the high cost of cellular service when you say you
want premium cell phone service from the broadest network possible.
Premium services mean premium prices and the wireless industry is no
exception. as stated earlier on the list, T-Mobile has most of its
frequencies at the high end of the wireless spectrum.  this means its
signals might not penetrate buildings or extend as Farr as those from
other carriers.  This is particularly so outside the major metro
areas.  Every carrier does not have great coverage in every region of
the country.  It is important for a consumer to know the coverage
quality of the various carriers in his area.

Kelly

On 5/27/17, Deidre Muccio  wrote:
> I am so accustomed to having coverage no matter where I go and that I
> wouldn't be able to tolerate not having coverage at the local university or
> as you say a relatives house. I I know others that use T-Mobile that have
> this issue as well so I haven't sprung for that. For the most part I'm happy
> with what I've got. It's not cheap but at some point if I can no longer
> afford it now pare down the service!
>
> Deidre
>
>
>> On May 27, 2017, at 2:53 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
>>
>> I hate that line ... especially from someone who is blind, who probably
>> benefitted most of his life from special programs, tax breaks, etc. for
>> the blind, paid for by taxes.
>>
>> Chip
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of deidre muccio
>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:00 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: the cost of staying connected
>>
>> Love that line "I pay a severe premium for living in a Socialist
>> Paradise." I hope you were not being mocking, or were you.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Kelly Pierce
>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:07 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: the cost of staying connected
>>
>> The company is TPO Mobile, the People's Operator.  It is a mobile virtual
>> network operator off the T-Mobile network.  It is available only in the
>> United States.  I found it using the website MVNO News, which identifies
>> the companies with the best deals.  The price includes Chicago taxes and
>> will likely be lower in the rest of the country.  I pay a severe premium
>> for living in a socialist paradise with its outrageous taxes.
>>
>>
>> MVNO news also lists deals from other carriers, including a new deal from
>> a Verizon MVNO.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>> On 5/25/17, deidre muccio  wrote:
>>> Who is charging you 31 including all taxes and fees?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On May 24, 2017, at 11:19 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:

 My observation is that people upgrade too early.  If folks kept their
 iPhone for four years instead of two, the annual cost of an iPhone
 would be substantially reduced.  I did this when I bought my iPhone 5
 in 2012 and then upgraded to an iPhone 7 in 2016, selling my iPhone 5
 on Craigslist for $120. Further, when I first started out, I did not
 use the phone much and had a prepaid service for $16 a month where I
 had 100 minutes, 100 texts and 500 MB of data a month. Now I use my
 phone a lot more and pay $31 including taxes for 2 GB of data with
 unlimited talk and texts.  This level of service should be plenty for
 virtually all blind users who can jump on WIFI every so often for app
 updates and downloads along with downloading podcasts and audio books.
 For most people, paying more for cell phone service is unnecessary.

 Kelly




> On 5/24/17, MamaPeach  wrote:
> That is what I did, I gave up my iPhone, and am now using a simple
> flip phone that does have speech and it only costs me $25 every 30
> days through Walmart's Total Wireless unlimited talk and text plan.
> We cut cable and now
>
> only use NetFlix and Hulu for watching TV shows and movies. We pay
> $64.99
> for our internet each month, which allows me to do what I want and I
> do have
>
> an iPod that allows me to connect to our wifi to do anything else I
> want to
>
> do using that device.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: the cost of staying connected
>
>
> You cannot listen to your books outside with the computer unless you
> got some kind of wireless speaker system.
> But, you could do everything but the phone calls and internet stuff
> on an iPod Touch.
> If you have wifi at home anyway, then no extra monthly fee.
> Ditch the iPhone and get a simple, inexpensive phone for times when
> you are
>

Re: iPhone 5S

[Rick Justice]

Thanks Richard, sure appreciate the input!

Rick
- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 8:11 PM
Subject: RE: iPhone 5S


I have a 5s that I purchased in 2013.  It is running fine.
It is running iOS 10.3.2 without a problem.
It is the first of the 64 bit processers.  I don't know how long Apple will 
continue to support them, but I have no plans to update until it dies.

Richard


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Of Rick Justice
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone 5S


Looking for some information from people that have experience with
this phone:
How old is this model, and is the OS upgradeable?
Apparently this particular phone has IOS 7 currently installed.
Thanks,
Rick

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RE: iPhone 5S

[Richard Turner]

I have a 5s that I purchased in 2013.  It is running fine.
It is running iOS 10.3.2 without a problem.
It is the first of the 64 bit processers.  I don't know how long Apple will 
continue to support them, but I have no plans to update until it dies.

Richard


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Rick Justice
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iPhone 5S


Looking for some information from people that have experience with 
this phone:
How old is this model, and is the OS upgradeable?
Apparently this particular phone has IOS 7 currently installed.
Thanks,
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Re: Strange issue with FB Messanger

['Simon w' via VIPhone]

Wait for another update.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I have started encountering a very strange issue with messenger. Every time I 
> try and open up a conversation with one specific friend messenger always 
> crashes. It is just with this one specific friend. I tried deleting the 
> conversation and starting a new one but this did not help. I have also 
> restarted my phone and no luck. Anyone have any suggestions on what else I 
> can try to do to solve this issue?
> 
> Regards,
> Greg Wocher
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Re: iPhone 5S

[Rick Justice]

Hey Mike,
Thanks much for the input, very much appreciated!

Rick
- Original Message - 
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 7:43 PM
Subject: RE: iPhone 5S


I bought my 16 gig 5S last memorial day. It had 9.Something on it and I 
downloaded and installed the updates as they became available. I just 
downloaded and installed 10.3.2 and all is good.
I'm not sure exactly how long the 5S will remain serviceable, but I'm just 
now thinking about buying a bigger IPhone and will go with the SE, within 
the 6 family.

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Looking for some information from people that have experience with 
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How old is this model, and is the OS upgradeable?
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RE: iPhone 5S

[Mike Ulrich]

I bought my 16 gig 5S last memorial day. It had 9.Something on it and I 
downloaded and installed the updates as they became available. I just 
downloaded and installed 10.3.2 and all is good.
I'm not sure exactly how long the 5S will remain serviceable, but I'm just now 
thinking about buying a bigger IPhone and will go with the SE, within the 6 
family.

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phone:
How old is this model, and is the OS upgradeable?
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iPhone 5S

[Rick Justice]

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this phone:
How old is this model, and is the OS upgradeable?
Apparently this particular phone has IOS 7 currently installed.
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Re: the cost of staying connected

[Deidre Muccio]

I am so accustomed to having coverage no matter where I go and that I wouldn't 
be able to tolerate not having coverage at the local university or as you say a 
relatives house. I I know others that use T-Mobile that have this issue as well 
so I haven't sprung for that. For the most part I'm happy with what I've got. 
It's not cheap but at some point if I can no longer afford it now pare down the 
service!

Deidre


> On May 27, 2017, at 2:53 PM, Chip Orange  wrote:
> 
> I hate that line ... especially from someone who is blind, who probably 
> benefitted most of his life from special programs, tax breaks, etc. for the 
> blind, paid for by taxes.
> 
> Chip
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> deidre muccio
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: the cost of staying connected
> 
> Love that line "I pay a severe premium for living in a Socialist Paradise." I 
> hope you were not being mocking, or were you. 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: the cost of staying connected
> 
> The company is TPO Mobile, the People's Operator.  It is a mobile virtual 
> network operator off the T-Mobile network.  It is available only in the 
> United States.  I found it using the website MVNO News, which identifies the 
> companies with the best deals.  The price includes Chicago taxes and will 
> likely be lower in the rest of the country.  I pay a severe premium for 
> living in a socialist paradise with its outrageous taxes.
> 
> 
> MVNO news also lists deals from other carriers, including a new deal from a 
> Verizon MVNO.
> 
> Kelly
> 
>> On 5/25/17, deidre muccio  wrote:
>> Who is charging you 31 including all taxes and fees?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 24, 2017, at 11:19 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> My observation is that people upgrade too early.  If folks kept their 
>>> iPhone for four years instead of two, the annual cost of an iPhone 
>>> would be substantially reduced.  I did this when I bought my iPhone 5 
>>> in 2012 and then upgraded to an iPhone 7 in 2016, selling my iPhone 5 
>>> on Craigslist for $120. Further, when I first started out, I did not 
>>> use the phone much and had a prepaid service for $16 a month where I 
>>> had 100 minutes, 100 texts and 500 MB of data a month. Now I use my 
>>> phone a lot more and pay $31 including taxes for 2 GB of data with 
>>> unlimited talk and texts.  This level of service should be plenty for 
>>> virtually all blind users who can jump on WIFI every so often for app 
>>> updates and downloads along with downloading podcasts and audio books.
>>> For most people, paying more for cell phone service is unnecessary.
>>> 
>>> Kelly
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 5/24/17, MamaPeach  wrote:
 That is what I did, I gave up my iPhone, and am now using a simple 
 flip phone that does have speech and it only costs me $25 every 30 
 days through Walmart's Total Wireless unlimited talk and text plan. 
 We cut cable and now
 
 only use NetFlix and Hulu for watching TV shows and movies. We pay
 $64.99
 for our internet each month, which allows me to do what I want and I 
 do have
 
 an iPod that allows me to connect to our wifi to do anything else I 
 want to
 
 do using that device.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Richard Turner
 Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:18 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: the cost of staying connected
 
 
 You cannot listen to your books outside with the computer unless you 
 got some kind of wireless speaker system.
 But, you could do everything but the phone calls and internet stuff 
 on an iPod Touch.
 If you have wifi at home anyway, then no extra monthly fee.
 Ditch the iPhone and get a simple, inexpensive phone for times when 
 you are
 
 away from home.
 Or, keep the iPhone and decide all that convenience is worth the money.
 Just my two cents worth.
 Richard
 
 
> On May 24, 2017, at 8:50 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
> 
>  In the last day, I have had cause to think of the cost of staying 
> connected via an i phone.
>  First off we all pay a monthly service charge perhaps starting 
> around $50. Put another $7 or more on for insurance if you buy it. 
> Then there is the cost of the phone which can be dirt cheap if it 
> is your first phone provided by a carrier you have been with for a 
> long time. Once that phone needs replacing however, let's say, 2 
> years and a few months, you are in for purchasing a new phone or 

RE: the cost of staying connected

[Mr. Ed]

Hi All,
Another good service to purchase talk, text and data is from Consumer Cellular. 
If you don't use a lot of data, talk and text it is pretty cheap. You pay for 
what you use. I have 250 minutes, unlimited text and 500 mb of data and it only 
cost me about $25 a month. If you want to add another line and share the talk, 
text and data it is only 10 for each line. Again you pay for what you use.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Chip Orange
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 1:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the cost of staying connected

T-mobil also has a prepaid themselves of $30 a month which is very similar.  In 
addition, T-mobil also will just sell you prepaid talk minutes with no data, 
and you can just use your smart phone at home with wifi.

My problem with T-mobil is their lack of coverage ... my brother-in-law uses 
them, but can't use his phone in my house as just one example of a place where 
they don't cover.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the cost of staying connected

The company is TPO Mobile, the People's Operator.  It is a mobile virtual 
network operator off the T-Mobile network.  It is available only in the United 
States.  I found it using the website MVNO News, which identifies the companies 
with the best deals.  The price includes Chicago taxes and will likely be lower 
in the rest of the country.  I pay a severe premium for living in a socialist 
paradise with its outrageous taxes.


MVNO news also lists deals from other carriers, including a new deal from a 
Verizon MVNO.

Kelly

On 5/25/17, deidre muccio  wrote:
> Who is charging you 31 including all taxes and fees?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 24, 2017, at 11:19 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>
>> My observation is that people upgrade too early.  If folks kept their 
>> iPhone for four years instead of two, the annual cost of an iPhone 
>> would be substantially reduced.  I did this when I bought my iPhone 5 
>> in 2012 and then upgraded to an iPhone 7 in 2016, selling my iPhone 5 
>> on Craigslist for $120. Further, when I first started out, I did not 
>> use the phone much and had a prepaid service for $16 a month where I 
>> had 100 minutes, 100 texts and 500 MB of data a month. Now I use my 
>> phone a lot more and pay $31 including taxes for 2 GB of data with 
>> unlimited talk and texts.  This level of service should be plenty for 
>> virtually all blind users who can jump on WIFI every so often for app 
>> updates and downloads along with downloading podcasts and audio books.
>> For most people, paying more for cell phone service is unnecessary.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/24/17, MamaPeach  wrote:
>>> That is what I did, I gave up my iPhone, and am now using a simple 
>>> flip phone that does have speech and it only costs me $25 every 30 
>>> days through Walmart's Total Wireless unlimited talk and text plan.
>>> We cut cable and now
>>>
>>> only use NetFlix and Hulu for watching TV shows and movies. We pay
>>> $64.99
>>> for our internet each month, which allows me to do what I want and I 
>>> do have
>>>
>>> an iPod that allows me to connect to our wifi to do anything else I 
>>> want to
>>>
>>> do using that device.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: the cost of staying connected
>>>
>>>
>>> You cannot listen to your books outside with the computer unless you 
>>> got some kind of wireless speaker system.
>>> But, you could do everything but the phone calls and internet stuff 
>>> on an iPod Touch.
>>> If you have wifi at home anyway, then no extra monthly fee.
>>> Ditch the iPhone and get a simple, inexpensive phone for times when 
>>> you are
>>>
>>> away from home.
>>> Or, keep the iPhone and decide all that convenience is worth the money.
>>> Just my two cents worth.
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
 On May 24, 2017, at 8:50 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:


   In the last day, I have had cause to think of the cost of staying 
 connected via an i phone.
   First off we all pay a monthly service charge perhaps starting 
 around $50. Put another $7 or more on for insurance if you buy it.
 Then there is the cost of the phone which can be dirt cheap if it 
 is your first phone provided by a carrier you have been with for a 
 long time. Once that phone needs replacing however, let's say, 2 
 years and a few months, you are in for purchasing a new phone or a 
 used one, or might pay a $200 deductible on one that your insurance 
 coverage will replace due to hardware damage.
 Add
 this all up, and it's 

reading epub books on iphone

[Kelsey Nicolay]

Hello,
I am in a book club that several of my coworkers started.  My 
local library has an app that you can download that will allow 
you to request books and download them to your phone.  The format 
they use is e pub.  I tried to read the book on my iphone Se, but 
I could not get Voiceover to read the page.  It said 1 of 488, 
but when I flicked right, there wasn't any sort of button that 
allows you to listen to the book.  I do have a Bard account and 
the mobile app, but I think in order to listen to a Bard book, a 
wifi connection is necessary which I do not have at my summer 
vacation home where I am right now.  Therefore, if anyone has 
ever used e pub format on their iphone, how do you get Voiceover 
to read the book to you or is there a way to listen to it? I 
don't know I could be doing wrong.  If anyone has used this 
format and has gotten it to work, please email me privately.  The 
app is called Overdrive in case this is important.  My email 
address is piano.girl0...@gmail.com

Thank you,
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Re: MusicStreamer App by Stratospherix

[Mary Otten]

You might find this app interesting, since you have lots of music that's not in 
iTunes. I am pretty sure the guy who sent the original is a Windows user and an 
iPhone user. So this could be a benefit for you.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:
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> Hello List,
>  
> For those with limited storage space on their iDevices who want to use their 
> devices to play their music, I'm recommending the MusicStreamer app by 
> Stratospherix. The app costs $3.99 USD and will give you access to all music 
> on your local computer which is shared over the same wi-fi network. 
> Stratospherix is the same developer of the excellent FileBrowser app which 
> many on the list use.
>  
> MusicStreamer found all the music in my shared music folder and will handle 
> many music file formats. It is quick and responsive and will let you create 
> playlists and has an offline mode which I expect allows you to transfer music 
> to your device if desired. The app is easily located in the Apps Store when 
> searching for MusicStreamer with no spaces between music and streamer. Or you 
> can read about it here:
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> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/musicstreamer/id979888370?mt=8
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Re: Instacart check out question

[Kathy Brandt]

Sorry about previous message. Yes, did on the iPhone. I wouldn't have put on 
this list had I done otherwise.

On May 27, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:



On May 27, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:

You did this via phone, not computer--right?
At 12:56 PM 5/27/2017, you wrote:
> Overall had a really good experience; gave my shopper who also delivered the 
> items, a five star rating. It was her first time being a shopper.  I am glad 
> that apparently they fixed the problem that some people had with doing the 
> rating. I was a little unsure if my selection took, but it did, as confirmed 
> by the email I got. I didn't know if you could handle tipping in the app or 
> not, still not sure, so gave her cash, but see that you can tip either 
> through the text messages which I set up to get, or through The email you get 
> later.
> 
> This next it's no big deal, since primarily I'm interested in the shopping 
> experience, but has anyone maybe figured out how to get the directions for 
> the recipes? I can read the ingredients, and cool that with them you can 
> create a ready-made list, but even though there is an option for view 
> directions, you still only get the ingredient list with voiceover, even if 
> you do a screenshot and read with KNFB Reader.
> 
> Was really neat being able to use the chat feature as well as talk with the 
> Shopper over the phone while she was buying the items.
> 
> On May 27, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kathy, there is some glitches sometimes with the time selection, I don't 
> know what happened that it didn't stay on the store that you wanted that is 
> kind of weird.
> 
> Lelia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 27, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
>> 
>> Today is my first time trying to use the app. I did manage to check out, but 
>> in the beginning, when I was in the cart, and hit check out, it was as if it 
>> didn't know what store I had shopped in, even though I stayed just in the 
>> one store. Then, after I had selected a time, and indicated my store, it 
>> just stayed on the selected time, and I couldn't find any place to proceed 
>> further. I had previously set up my payment method and address. I ended up 
>> having to close out of the app completely, Bring up the cart again, and then 
>> was able to do it, after working with it a little to make sure it stayed on 
>> the time I wanted. Was this a temporary glitch, or is there an exact 
>> procedure for how you go through the checkout process? Thanks.
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Re: Instacart check out question

[Kathy Brandt]

On May 27, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:

You did this via phone, not computer--right?
At 12:56 PM 5/27/2017, you wrote:
> Overall had a really good experience; gave my shopper who also delivered the 
> items, a five star rating. It was her first time being a shopper.  I am glad 
> that apparently they fixed the problem that some people had with doing the 
> rating. I was a little unsure if my selection took, but it did, as confirmed 
> by the email I got. I didn't know if you could handle tipping in the app or 
> not, still not sure, so gave her cash, but see that you can tip either 
> through the text messages which I set up to get, or through The email you get 
> later.
> 
> This next it's no big deal, since primarily I'm interested in the shopping 
> experience, but has anyone maybe figured out how to get the directions for 
> the recipes? I can read the ingredients, and cool that with them you can 
> create a ready-made list, but even though there is an option for view 
> directions, you still only get the ingredient list with voiceover, even if 
> you do a screenshot and read with KNFB Reader.
> 
> Was really neat being able to use the chat feature as well as talk with the 
> Shopper over the phone while she was buying the items.
> 
> On May 27, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kathy, there is some glitches sometimes with the time selection, I don't 
> know what happened that it didn't stay on the store that you wanted that is 
> kind of weird.
> 
> Lelia
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 27, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> >
> > Today is my first time trying to use the app. I did manage to check out, 
> > but in the beginning, when I was in the cart, and hit check out, it was as 
> > if it didn't know what store I had shopped in, even though I stayed just in 
> > the one store. Then, after I had selected a time, and indicated my store, 
> > it just stayed on the selected time, and I couldn't find any place to 
> > proceed further. I had previously set up my payment method and address. I 
> > ended up having to close out of the app completely, Bring up the cart 
> > again, and then was able to do it, after working with it a little to make 
> > sure it stayed on the time I wanted. Was this a temporary glitch, or is 
> > there an exact procedure for how you go through the checkout process? 
> > Thanks.
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RE: iPhone bluetooth keyboard recommendations

[Richard Turner]

Hi,
I'm afraid some of your questions will vary widely because one person may find 
one keyboard easy to use while another person finds that same keyboard not to 
their liking.
So long as they have all the standard keys, all keyboards perform the same 
tasks.
For an Apple device, they will have the control, options, and command keys that 
are used for Voiceover commands.
Some keyboards, have them on both sides of the spacebar, which I find makes 
using that kind of keyboard much easier as you can hold down control plus 
options with either hand.
The Apple keyboard, for one, only has one option key on the left side.
My personal favorite keyboard has been the AmazonBasics KT1081, but that has 
not been available for a couple of months and I have no idea if it will ever 
become available.
Lots of folks like the Logitech k811 and the k480.
I know the specifications on the Logitech 480 says you can connect it to three 
different devices and just turn a dial to pick the device you want to use which 
would make it easy to set it up with an iPhone, iPad and a computer, for 
example.

Everybody seems to have a slightly different preference on how the keys feel on 
a keyboard.  So, the bottom line is you will need to try one and if you don't 
like it, take or send it back for a refund and try another one.

HTH,
Richard


-Original Message-
From: 'evergreenwoods' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 12:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iPhone bluetooth keyboard recommendations

Hello,

Thanks for all the comments, but I still have lots of doubts. Do all keyboards 
perform the same tasks, or are there some that do more than others? Also, are 
some keyboards easier to use than others?
I never used one.
Rena


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelby Carlson
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 7:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone bluetooth keyboard recommendations

I have the Anker compact bluetooth keyboard and it works great for what I need.

On 5/26/17, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> Hi Rena,
>
> I like that Logitech 811 or the Keys2Go. I love both of them. I use 
> them interchangeably. I'm sorry it is the k811. There is also the 
> Microsoft foldable one. I have that one also. I love my keyboards you 
> can say. If you have any questions about any of these, let me know. I 
> don't have the Apple one but I can perform any of the gestures with 
> these that I could with the Apple one. Hope this helps.
>
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
>
>> On May 25, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'evergreenwoods' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would like to buy a Bluetooth keyboard for my iPhone 6S, but I 
>> don’t know what is the best option. Do all the keyboards perform the 
>> same tasks, or are there some that do only some of them? I’m not too 
>> skillful about using my iPhone. In addition, tapping is often a 
>> problem due to my neuropathy.
>> I appreciate your recommendations, please. Thank you, Rena
>>
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Re: Instacart check out question

[Ann Byrne]

You did this via phone, not computer--right?
At 12:56 PM 5/27/2017, you wrote:
Overall had a really good experience; gave my shopper who also 
delivered the items, a five star rating. It was her first time being 
a shopper.  I am glad that apparently they fixed the problem that 
some people had with doing the rating. I was a little unsure if my 
selection took, but it did, as confirmed by the email I got. I 
didn't know if you could handle tipping in the app or not, still not 
sure, so gave her cash, but see that you can tip either through the 
text messages which I set up to get, or through The email you get later.


This next it's no big deal, since primarily I'm interested in the 
shopping experience, but has anyone maybe figured out how to get the 
directions for the recipes? I can read the ingredients, and cool 
that with them you can create a ready-made list, but even though 
there is an option for view directions, you still only get the 
ingredient list with voiceover, even if you do a screenshot and read 
with KNFB Reader.


Was really neat being able to use the chat feature as well as talk 
with the Shopper over the phone while she was buying the items.


On May 27, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:

Hi Kathy, there is some glitches sometimes with the time selection, 
I don't know what happened that it didn't stay on the store that you 
wanted that is kind of weird.


Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
>
> Today is my first time trying to use the app. I did manage to 
check out, but in the beginning, when I was in the cart, and hit 
check out, it was as if it didn't know what store I had shopped in, 
even though I stayed just in the one store. Then, after I had 
selected a time, and indicated my store, it just stayed on the 
selected time, and I couldn't find any place to proceed further. I 
had previously set up my payment method and address. I ended up 
having to close out of the app completely, Bring up the cart again, 
and then was able to do it, after working with it a little to make 
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or is there an exact procedure for how you go through the checkout 
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RE: iPhone bluetooth keyboard recommendations

['evergreenwoods' via VIPhone]

Hello,

Thanks for all the comments, but I still have lots of doubts. Do all keyboards 
perform the same tasks, or are there some that do more than others? Also, are 
some keyboards easier to use than others?
I never used one.
Rena


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Kelby Carlson
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 7:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone bluetooth keyboard recommendations

I have the Anker compact bluetooth keyboard and it works great for what I need.

On 5/26/17, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> Hi Rena,
>
> I like that Logitech 811 or the Keys2Go. I love both of them. I use 
> them interchangeably. I'm sorry it is the k811. There is also the 
> Microsoft foldable one. I have that one also. I love my keyboards you 
> can say. If you have any questions about any of these, let me know. I 
> don't have the Apple one but I can perform any of the gestures with 
> these that I could with the Apple one. Hope this helps.
>
> Jenn
>
> Jenn and Kumi
>
>> On May 25, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'evergreenwoods' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I would like to buy a Bluetooth keyboard for my iPhone 6S, but I 
>> don’t know what is the best option. Do all the keyboards perform the 
>> same tasks, or are there some that do only some of them? I’m not too 
>> skillful about using my iPhone. In addition, tapping is often a 
>> problem due to my neuropathy.
>> I appreciate your recommendations, please. Thank you, Rena
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RE: the cost of staying connected

[Chip Orange]

I hate that line ... especially from someone who is blind, who probably 
benefitted most of his life from special programs, tax breaks, etc. for the 
blind, paid for by taxes.

Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
deidre muccio
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 4:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the cost of staying connected

Love that line "I pay a severe premium for living in a Socialist Paradise." I 
hope you were not being mocking, or were you. 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the cost of staying connected

The company is TPO Mobile, the People's Operator.  It is a mobile virtual 
network operator off the T-Mobile network.  It is available only in the United 
States.  I found it using the website MVNO News, which identifies the companies 
with the best deals.  The price includes Chicago taxes and will likely be lower 
in the rest of the country.  I pay a severe premium for living in a socialist 
paradise with its outrageous taxes.


MVNO news also lists deals from other carriers, including a new deal from a 
Verizon MVNO.

Kelly

On 5/25/17, deidre muccio  wrote:
> Who is charging you 31 including all taxes and fees?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 24, 2017, at 11:19 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>
>> My observation is that people upgrade too early.  If folks kept their 
>> iPhone for four years instead of two, the annual cost of an iPhone 
>> would be substantially reduced.  I did this when I bought my iPhone 5 
>> in 2012 and then upgraded to an iPhone 7 in 2016, selling my iPhone 5 
>> on Craigslist for $120. Further, when I first started out, I did not 
>> use the phone much and had a prepaid service for $16 a month where I 
>> had 100 minutes, 100 texts and 500 MB of data a month. Now I use my 
>> phone a lot more and pay $31 including taxes for 2 GB of data with 
>> unlimited talk and texts.  This level of service should be plenty for 
>> virtually all blind users who can jump on WIFI every so often for app 
>> updates and downloads along with downloading podcasts and audio books.
>> For most people, paying more for cell phone service is unnecessary.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/24/17, MamaPeach  wrote:
>>> That is what I did, I gave up my iPhone, and am now using a simple 
>>> flip phone that does have speech and it only costs me $25 every 30 
>>> days through Walmart's Total Wireless unlimited talk and text plan. 
>>> We cut cable and now
>>>
>>> only use NetFlix and Hulu for watching TV shows and movies. We pay
>>> $64.99
>>> for our internet each month, which allows me to do what I want and I 
>>> do have
>>>
>>> an iPod that allows me to connect to our wifi to do anything else I 
>>> want to
>>>
>>> do using that device.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: the cost of staying connected
>>>
>>>
>>> You cannot listen to your books outside with the computer unless you 
>>> got some kind of wireless speaker system.
>>> But, you could do everything but the phone calls and internet stuff 
>>> on an iPod Touch.
>>> If you have wifi at home anyway, then no extra monthly fee.
>>> Ditch the iPhone and get a simple, inexpensive phone for times when 
>>> you are
>>>
>>> away from home.
>>> Or, keep the iPhone and decide all that convenience is worth the money.
>>> Just my two cents worth.
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
 On May 24, 2017, at 8:50 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:


   In the last day, I have had cause to think of the cost of staying 
 connected via an i phone.
   First off we all pay a monthly service charge perhaps starting 
 around $50. Put another $7 or more on for insurance if you buy it. 
 Then there is the cost of the phone which can be dirt cheap if it 
 is your first phone provided by a carrier you have been with for a 
 long time. Once that phone needs replacing however, let's say, 2 
 years and a few months, you are in for purchasing a new phone or a 
 used one, or might pay a $200 deductible on one that your insurance 
 coverage will replace due to hardware damage.
 Add
 this all up, and it's thousands of dollars over a mere 2 year period.
 I have to ask what the true value is in all this?
   On the practical, not philosophical front, I am paying for the 
 convenience and portability of a phone that I can make calls on and 
 text with, and I can do all the information sharing and web 
 searching, social networking, watch movies, listen to podcasts, 
 read books, etc all on the run or away from home. Other than phone 
 service and texting, all of this I 

RE: the cost of staying connected

[Chip Orange]

T-mobil also has a prepaid themselves of $30 a month which is very similar.  In 
addition, T-mobil also will just sell you prepaid talk minutes with no data, 
and you can just use your smart phone at home with wifi.

My problem with T-mobil is their lack of coverage ... my brother-in-law uses 
them, but can't use his phone in my house as just one example of a place where 
they don't cover.

Chip


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelly Pierce
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 2:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: the cost of staying connected

The company is TPO Mobile, the People's Operator.  It is a mobile virtual 
network operator off the T-Mobile network.  It is available only in the United 
States.  I found it using the website MVNO News, which identifies the companies 
with the best deals.  The price includes Chicago taxes and will likely be lower 
in the rest of the country.  I pay a severe premium for living in a socialist 
paradise with its outrageous taxes.


MVNO news also lists deals from other carriers, including a new deal from a 
Verizon MVNO.

Kelly

On 5/25/17, deidre muccio  wrote:
> Who is charging you 31 including all taxes and fees?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 24, 2017, at 11:19 PM, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
>>
>> My observation is that people upgrade too early.  If folks kept their 
>> iPhone for four years instead of two, the annual cost of an iPhone 
>> would be substantially reduced.  I did this when I bought my iPhone 5 
>> in 2012 and then upgraded to an iPhone 7 in 2016, selling my iPhone 5 
>> on Craigslist for $120. Further, when I first started out, I did not 
>> use the phone much and had a prepaid service for $16 a month where I 
>> had 100 minutes, 100 texts and 500 MB of data a month. Now I use my 
>> phone a lot more and pay $31 including taxes for 2 GB of data with 
>> unlimited talk and texts.  This level of service should be plenty for 
>> virtually all blind users who can jump on WIFI every so often for app 
>> updates and downloads along with downloading podcasts and audio books.
>> For most people, paying more for cell phone service is unnecessary.
>>
>> Kelly
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/24/17, MamaPeach  wrote:
>>> That is what I did, I gave up my iPhone, and am now using a simple 
>>> flip phone that does have speech and it only costs me $25 every 30 
>>> days through Walmart's Total Wireless unlimited talk and text plan. 
>>> We cut cable and now
>>>
>>> only use NetFlix and Hulu for watching TV shows and movies. We pay
>>> $64.99
>>> for our internet each month, which allows me to do what I want and I 
>>> do have
>>>
>>> an iPod that allows me to connect to our wifi to do anything else I 
>>> want to
>>>
>>> do using that device.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: the cost of staying connected
>>>
>>>
>>> You cannot listen to your books outside with the computer unless you 
>>> got some kind of wireless speaker system.
>>> But, you could do everything but the phone calls and internet stuff 
>>> on an iPod Touch.
>>> If you have wifi at home anyway, then no extra monthly fee.
>>> Ditch the iPhone and get a simple, inexpensive phone for times when 
>>> you are
>>>
>>> away from home.
>>> Or, keep the iPhone and decide all that convenience is worth the money.
>>> Just my two cents worth.
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
 On May 24, 2017, at 8:50 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:


   In the last day, I have had cause to think of the cost of staying 
 connected via an i phone.
   First off we all pay a monthly service charge perhaps starting 
 around $50. Put another $7 or more on for insurance if you buy it. 
 Then there is the cost of the phone which can be dirt cheap if it 
 is your first phone provided by a carrier you have been with for a 
 long time. Once that phone needs replacing however, let's say, 2 
 years and a few months, you are in for purchasing a new phone or a 
 used one, or might pay a $200 deductible on one that your insurance 
 coverage will replace due to hardware damage.
 Add
 this all up, and it's thousands of dollars over a mere 2 year period.
 I have to ask what the true value is in all this?
   On the practical, not philosophical front, I am paying for the 
 convenience and portability of a phone that I can make calls on and 
 text with, and I can do all the information sharing and web 
 searching, social networking, watch movies, listen to podcasts, 
 read books, etc all on the run or away from home. Other than phone 
 service and texting, all of this I can do on my desktop computer 
 for the price of  my internet service.
   What would I be missing if I gave this all up? Yesterday, 

RE: making voice over louder

[Richard Turner]

If she cannot do the rotor, the first thing I would have her do is go into the 
VoiceOver settings, Audio, and turn on audio ducking.
That way, other audio volumes will be lowered while VoiceOver is talking.  That 
may help a little.
Otherwise, other than the medthod you described by starting VoiceOver reading 
and hitting the up volume button is the best way to turn it up.
Or, have someone else check that Volume is in the rotor, have them turn the 
rotor to volume and flick up with one finger until it is at 100%.  You may get 
some distortion at that point, but she could see if that helps.
Or, if she has a Bluetooth keyboard, the rotor can be done by pressing the 
right arrow plus the up arrow to turn it clockwise, or left arrow plus up arrow 
to turn counter clockwise.

HTH,
Richard


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regina alvarado
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: making voice over louder

How do you turn up voice over? I thought it was starting reading and up volume. 
I have a friend who is having difficulty getting voice over turned up, and she 
cannot do the motion for the rotor. Thanks for any help. Maybe I am telling her 
an incorrect way to do this?



Reggie and Lex

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RE: the cost of staying connected

[Chip Orange]

Hi Deidre,

This is an excellent point, especially since so many people who are blind are 
unemployed or under employed.

My wife does just what you suggest BTW, and a basic phone from someone like 
Virgin Mobile (prepaid) is only $20 every 90 days!  Yes, only $80 per year if 
you don't talk a lot.  It also includes texting, so, if you aren't spending a 
lot of time on the phone, mobile prepaid phone service is essentially free.

I on the other hand own an iPhone which I paid $1000 for plus $40 a month.  I 
haven't even read all the replies yet, but I doubt I have anything to add other 
than support for your financially practical point, which I was making years ago 
to blind people who were justifying these expensive phones by saying they would 
not need to purchase dedicated function stand alone devices, the phone could do 
it all.

My second supporting point was that if you ever got into a financial place 
where you could not afford to keep making your monthly payment, then you would 
own nothing ... where-as if you had purchased a bar code reader, a color 
identifier, etc., they would still continue to operate for you.

I like my phone, but I try not to fool myself, it's definitely a luxury, and if 
anyone is struggling financially, then luxuries should be identified as such.


Chip


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
deidre muccio
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: the cost of staying connected

In the last day, I have had cause to think of the cost of staying 
connected via an i phone.
First off we all pay a monthly service charge perhaps starting around 
$50. Put another $7 or more on for insurance if you buy it. Then there is the 
cost of the phone which can be dirt cheap if it is your first phone provided by 
a carrier you have been with for a long time. Once that phone needs replacing 
however, let's say, 2 years and a few months, you are in for purchasing a new 
phone or a used one, or might pay a $200 deductible on one that your insurance 
coverage will replace due to hardware damage. Add this all up, and it's 
thousands of dollars over a mere 2 year period.
I have to ask what the true value is in all this?
On the practical, not philosophical front, I am paying for the 
convenience and portability of a phone that I can make calls on and text with, 
and I can do all the information sharing and web searching, social networking, 
watch movies, listen to podcasts, read books, etc all on the run or away from 
home. Other than phone service and texting, all of this I can do on my desktop 
computer for the price of  my internet service.
What would I be missing if I gave this all up? Yesterday, I seriously 
thought of buying a monthly phone service for $25 and giving the rest up. Has 
anyone tried doing that lately? I'd like to hear about it! Are you planning 
more hikes or tandem bike rides?
How I love my phone! I love lying in bed or cleaning house and 
moving my phone from room to room while I listen to a podcast, a replay of a 
news show, or a book. Again, I could do all this on a desktop computer provided 
the volume on my speakers reached the far rooms. I doubt I'd miss not getting 
calls or texts while away from home unless I was traveling out of State. 
Admittedly, the cheapest cell phone service I was able to purchase was $39 per 
month so the additional cost to text and have a phone with voice over menus is 
definitely superior to that. 
I wonder if I've already nearly fully answered my question cause I'm 
sitting here smiling broadly as I write this. Still, I conclude that I'm crazy 
for putting out the money to entertain myself around the clock, not unlike an 
avid TV watcher, when I could be out gardening or I could spend more time at 
the gym, or finishing a novel and/or the few short stories in the works! I 
could even get some kind of volunteer job. I will say that when I do work for 
pay, my work being as a masseuse, I do not use my phone at all. 
One good thing, I guess, is that if I go silent, friends might inquire 
as to whether or not I am still alive, so for safety's sake, I guess that 
detail gets racked up in the plus column.
I did not write or dictate this using my phone. I am typing away on a 
full keyboard, which is far more comfortable and affords much more time for 
thinking. If I could word process using a full keyboard or a dictation program 
that would allow you to dictate unlimited text, I'd trash the desktop pronto. 
Oh, no no no, having a iphone on the blink for the past day was bad enough, 
we'll always need back up, now won't we?

Deidre
Deidre

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making voice over louder

[regina alvarado]

How do you turn up voice over? I thought it was starting reading and up volume. 
I have a friend who is having difficulty getting voice over turned up, and she 
cannot do the motion for the rotor. Thanks for any help. Maybe I am telling her 
an incorrect way to do this?



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Strange issue with FB Messanger

[Greg Wocher]

Hello all,
I have started encountering a very strange issue with messenger. Every time I 
try and open up a conversation with one specific friend messenger always 
crashes. It is just with this one specific friend. I tried deleting the 
conversation and starting a new one but this did not help. I have also 
restarted my phone and no luck. Anyone have any suggestions on what else I can 
try to do to solve this issue?

Regards,
Greg Wocher

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RE: White Noise App

[Chip Orange]

Thanks for the recommendations.  I went searching before I found these, and I 
found a very accessible free app named: White Noise  and Deep Sleep Sounds for 
You and Baby”.  When you install it, it then shows its name as just “Deep Sleep 
Free”.

 

It has white, pink, and brown noise choices, as well as mechanical sounds such 
as a fan, and a selection of nature sounds as well.  I’m quite happy with it.

 

Chip

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 7:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: White Noise App

 

Or the White Noise app by T M Soft? They have lots of sounds already in the app 
and a place to download more for free. Lots of natural-sounding sounds. 

Sharonda

Sent from my mobile device; please excuse any mistakes 


On May 26, 2017, at 3:32 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:

Have you tried Mynoise?

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Chip Orange  
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: White Noise App

 

I really like Nature Space, but I too am looking for "simpler" sounds (such as 
a soft hum and/or a soft hiss, or the sound of an old fashoned box fan running).

 

Thanks,

 

Chip

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 12:22 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: White Noise App

 

OK, then why don't you list some of the sounds  you are looking for since this 
would allow those of us who use different apps to see if these sounds are there.

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kelby Carlson

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 9:14 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: White Noise App

 

It doesn't have the sounds I was looking for.

 

On 5/23/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

> It might help if you point out what you don't like about Nature Space.

> 

> -Original Message-

> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

> Behalf Of Kelby Carlson

> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:29 AM

> To: viphone@googlegroups.com

> Subject: Re: White Noise App

> 

> I don't really like that one. Are there others?

> 

> On 5/22/17, Richard Turner  wrote:

>> 

>> Nature Space. It is free and completely accessible with VoiceOver.

>> There are extra sounds you can buy, but it comes with 6, infinite 

>> shoreline, which is ocean waves, Night at Lake Unknown, which has 

>> sounds like you were by a lake at night with a variety of 

>> environmental sounds, etc.

>> The sound quality is excellent!

>> Richard

>> 

>> 

>> Noun: trumpery

>> 1. (informal) statements or beliefs that are untrue or make no sense 

>> 2. Ornamental objects of no great value This definition is from 

>> WordWeb

>> 

>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6?

>> 

>>> On May 22, 2017, at 7:54 AM, Kelby Carlson 

>>> wrote:

>>> 

>>> Does anyone know of any accessible white noise/sleep sounds apps? 

>>> I'm hoping for something with multiple effects. I've tried Relax 

>>> Melodies but it seems really inaccessible.

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Re: Instacart check out question

[Kathy Brandt]

Overall had a really good experience; gave my shopper who also delivered the 
items, a five star rating. It was her first time being a shopper.  I am glad 
that apparently they fixed the problem that some people had with doing the 
rating. I was a little unsure if my selection took, but it did, as confirmed by 
the email I got. I didn't know if you could handle tipping in the app or not, 
still not sure, so gave her cash, but see that you can tip either through the 
text messages which I set up to get, or through The email you get later.

This next it's no big deal, since primarily I'm interested in the shopping 
experience, but has anyone maybe figured out how to get the directions for the 
recipes? I can read the ingredients, and cool that with them you can create a 
ready-made list, but even though there is an option for view directions, you 
still only get the ingredient list with voiceover, even if you do a screenshot 
and read with KNFB Reader.

Was really neat being able to use the chat feature as well as talk with the 
Shopper over the phone while she was buying the items.

On May 27, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Lelia Struve  wrote:

Hi Kathy, there is some glitches sometimes with the time selection, I don't 
know what happened that it didn't stay on the store that you wanted that is 
kind of weird.

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> Today is my first time trying to use the app. I did manage to check out, but 
> in the beginning, when I was in the cart, and hit check out, it was as if it 
> didn't know what store I had shopped in, even though I stayed just in the one 
> store. Then, after I had selected a time, and indicated my store, it just 
> stayed on the selected time, and I couldn't find any place to proceed 
> further. I had previously set up my payment method and address. I ended up 
> having to close out of the app completely, Bring up the cart again, and then 
> was able to do it, after working with it a little to make sure it stayed on 
> the time I wanted. Was this a temporary glitch, or is there an exact 
> procedure for how you go through the checkout process? Thanks.
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Re: Instacart check out question

[Lelia Struve]

Hi Kathy, there is some glitches sometimes with the time selection, I don't 
know what happened that it didn't stay on the store that you wanted that is 
kind of weird.

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> Today is my first time trying to use the app. I did manage to check out, but 
> in the beginning, when I was in the cart, and hit check out, it was as if it 
> didn't know what store I had shopped in, even though I stayed just in the one 
> store. Then, after I had selected a time, and indicated my store, it just 
> stayed on the selected time, and I couldn't find any place to proceed 
> further. I had previously set up my payment method and address. I ended up 
> having to close out of the app completely, Bring up the cart again, and then 
> was able to do it, after working with it a little to make sure it stayed on 
> the time I wanted. Was this a temporary glitch, or is there an exact 
> procedure for how you go through the checkout process? Thanks.
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MusicStreamer App by Stratospherix

[Alan Lemly]

Hello List,

 

For those with limited storage space on their iDevices who want to use their
devices to play their music, I'm recommending the MusicStreamer app by
Stratospherix. The app costs $3.99 USD and will give you access to all music
on your local computer which is shared over the same wi-fi network.
Stratospherix is the same developer of the excellent FileBrowser app which
many on the list use.

 

MusicStreamer found all the music in my shared music folder and will handle
many music file formats. It is quick and responsive and will let you create
playlists and has an offline mode which I expect allows you to transfer
music to your device if desired. The app is easily located in the Apps Store
when searching for MusicStreamer with no spaces between music and streamer.
Or you can read about it here:

 

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/musicstreamer/id979888370?mt=8

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: When would you ask for an app's refund?

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Whether you ask for a refund or not I just wanted to say that while I too 
have used social media to communicate with app developers it might also be 
best to try to contact them via any email addresses they might have listed 
in the app's settings area if it has one or in the app's description via the 
app store as they might not monitor social media as closely as other 
channels for reporting difficulties such as emails or web site forms.

For instance when I visited it at the app store here
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bills-monitor-bill-manager-reminder/id468993411?mt=8
I found a Bills Monitor Support link which took me here
http://www.maxwellapps.com/apps_2_bills_monitor.html
where I found an email address for contacting its developers.
I hope that helps.

Robin


-Original Message- 
From: Gerardo Corripio

Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: When would you ask for an app's refund?

Remember the other day when I recommended the Bills Monitor app, and wrote 
to the devs via Twitter and so far no updates or nothing! so I wonder what's 
would it take for you to ask for a refund? also if I leave the app on the 
App-switcher and double-tap, as long as I don't close it, it'll stay within 
the Bills menu, but if I close it, either I need to remember where the Bills 
menu button was, or ask for sighted help. Would you ask for a refund, or 
stick with the app, hoping someday the developper fixes it? Yes the cost is 
a dollar ($19 here in Mexico); part of me wants to keep the app since as 
mentiond before, the rest of the app is very accessible!--

Gera
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Re: the cost of staying connected

[Dan Rathburn]

Hi,

I get pretty much the same deal from Metro PCS for $30 including taxes and 
fees.  They also use the T-mobile network.  They are offering two lines for 
$50 a month.  Thanks to WIFI, I don't come anywhere near using two gigs of 
cellular data a month.


HTH,

Dan



The nice thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or 
not.


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From: "Mr. Ed" 
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 12:30 AM
To: 
Subject: RE: the cost of staying connected


Hi Kelly,
Where are you getting your phone service for $31.00 a month including 
taxes for unlimited texting and data?

Mr. Ed

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: the cost of staying connected

I totally agree that many want the latest and upgrading every year or 
every two years is somewhat expensive. Some may argue that they have this 
great plan from their provider which lets them upgrade every year, but of 
course if you really look at it you will find out that no provider does 
this out of the goodness of their hearts and in the end you pay through 
the nose for such a privilege. Then there are those who have multiple 
smartphones like an Android and an iPhone in order to "stay current with 
technology" or to "have the best of both worlds". Also some have multiple 
iDevices and to me that is also a waste of money. At one point I decided 
to keep my old 5S around and use it at home on WiFi but I quickly realized 
that I rarely did and always used my new 6S Plus anyways and while I can 
see how the large screen of an iPad is attractive for sighted people, it 
doesn't do much for me. I have read messages on here from people who have 
a very limited income yet they have an iPhone and an iPad, an Apple TV and 
multiple music and TV streaming services and I sort of wonder if they 
don't realize that all of this adds up to be a pretty significant cost, at 
the same time some of the same people complain about some of the expensive 
apps like KNFB Reader or about paying $5 a month for having a Jaws SMA 
(it's $120 every two years so it does work out to be just $5 a month which 
is half of what most of us pay for Apple Music or Spotify).
I think Deidre does have a point, but unless you are mostly at home where 
a landline does the trick and maybe a pay as you go flipphone is enough 
for the odd time you go somewhere, I think the additional cost for a 
smartphone plan is justifiable considering what a smartphone offers (GPS, 
OCR anywhere you go, accessible texting etc.). For anybody who is working 
or running a business it is more or less essential nowadays, I need access 
to my email, often apps are easier to use than websites when it comes to 
making a quick online banking transaction, posting something on Facebook, 
tracking a package or even maintaining your profiles for Google My 
Business and so on. At times I can actually be away from my business to do 
something personal or recreational simply because I am still connected and 
able to do something if I have to. In a way it's not so different for a 
sighted person with cars. How many couples have a car each, it costs a lot 
to buy the thing in the first place and thousands and thousands each year 
for insurance, gas, parking and repairs/maintenance. Especially if you 
live in the city you could probably get by using public transportation and 
take a cab or an Uber when you have to, most of us who don't have sighted 
partners who drive do it all the time. But being able to jump into a car 
any time you want for a quick trip somewhere is just so convenient. I live 
in a rather small town of about 6,000 people, our one local cab company 
doesn't even use a meter, they charge $8 for a trip in town no matter if 
it's half a mile from the grocery store back to my house or 2 miles from 
one side of town to the other. If you do a return trip inside I think an 
hour or hour and a half then it's $11 for both. My wife is sighted but has 
epilepsy so can't drive either and we spend maybe $1,000 a year on cab 
rides for times when the weather is bad, we have more than we can or want 
to carry etc. If we owned a car I'd spend that alone on insurance let 
alone buying gas, new tires or dividing the initial purchase price by the 
lifespan of the vehicle.
Interestingly enough people often buy used cars, sometimes cheap old 
beaters but few of us buy a used iPhone that is 2 years old even though in 
many cases it would do the trick as well and it would save you a fair bit 
since it is much cheaper to buy and you could get any post-paid or 
pre-paid plan you want since no carrier can ask you to sign up for a 
2-year contract on some expensive plan.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Instacart check out question

[Kathy Brandt]

Today is my first time trying to use the app. I did manage to check out, but in 
the beginning, when I was in the cart, and hit check out, it was as if it 
didn't know what store I had shopped in, even though I stayed just in the one 
store. Then, after I had selected a time, and indicated my store, it just 
stayed on the selected time, and I couldn't find any place to proceed further. 
I had previously set up my payment method and address. I ended up having to 
close out of the app completely, Bring up the cart again, and then was able to 
do it, after working with it a little to make sure it stayed on the time I 
wanted. Was this a temporary glitch, or is there an exact procedure for how you 
go through the checkout process? Thanks.

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Re: the cost of staying connected

[Kelly Pierce]

Dear Ed,

It's 2 gigs of data with unlimited texting and calls.  If a blind end
user accesses WIFI regularly, he would likely not need more than this
amount of data. I use a company called TPO Mobile.  it is an MVNO on
the T-Mobile network.

Kelly

On 5/26/17, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> Hi Kelly,
> Where are you getting your phone service for $31.00 a month including taxes
> for unlimited texting and data?
> Mr. Ed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 3:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: the cost of staying connected
>
> I totally agree that many want the latest and upgrading every year or every
> two years is somewhat expensive. Some may argue that they have this great
> plan from their provider which lets them upgrade every year, but of course
> if you really look at it you will find out that no provider does this out of
> the goodness of their hearts and in the end you pay through the nose for
> such a privilege. Then there are those who have multiple smartphones like an
> Android and an iPhone in order to "stay current with technology" or to "have
> the best of both worlds". Also some have multiple iDevices and to me that is
> also a waste of money. At one point I decided to keep my old 5S around and
> use it at home on WiFi but I quickly realized that I rarely did and always
> used my new 6S Plus anyways and while I can see how the large screen of an
> iPad is attractive for sighted people, it doesn't do much for me. I have
> read messages on here from people who have a very limited income yet they
> have an iPhone and an iPad, an Apple TV and multiple music and TV streaming
> services and I sort of wonder if they don't realize that all of this adds up
> to be a pretty significant cost, at the same time some of the same people
> complain about some of the expensive apps like KNFB Reader or about paying
> $5 a month for having a Jaws SMA (it's $120 every two years so it does work
> out to be just $5 a month which is half of what most of us pay for Apple
> Music or Spotify).
> I think Deidre does have a point, but unless you are mostly at home where a
> landline does the trick and maybe a pay as you go flipphone is enough for
> the odd time you go somewhere, I think the additional cost for a smartphone
> plan is justifiable considering what a smartphone offers (GPS, OCR anywhere
> you go, accessible texting etc.). For anybody who is working or running a
> business it is more or less essential nowadays, I need access to my email,
> often apps are easier to use than websites when it comes to making a quick
> online banking transaction, posting something on Facebook, tracking a
> package or even maintaining your profiles for Google My Business and so on.
> At times I can actually be away from my business to do something personal or
> recreational simply because I am still connected and able to do something if
> I have to. In a way it's not so different for a sighted person with cars.
> How many couples have a car each, it costs a lot to buy the thing in the
> first place and thousands and thousands each year for insurance, gas,
> parking and repairs/maintenance. Especially if you live in the city you
> could probably get by using public transportation and take a cab or an Uber
> when you have to, most of us who don't have sighted partners who drive do it
> all the time. But being able to jump into a car any time you want for a
> quick trip somewhere is just so convenient. I live in a rather small town of
> about 6,000 people, our one local cab company doesn't even use a meter, they
> charge $8 for a trip in town no matter if it's half a mile from the grocery
> store back to my house or 2 miles from one side of town to the other. If you
> do a return trip inside I think an hour or hour and a half then it's $11 for
> both. My wife is sighted but has epilepsy so can't drive either and we spend
> maybe $1,000 a year on cab rides for times when the weather is bad, we have
> more than we can or want to carry etc. If we owned a car I'd spend that
> alone on insurance let alone buying gas, new tires or dividing the initial
> purchase price by the lifespan of the vehicle.
> Interestingly enough people often buy used cars, sometimes cheap old beaters
> but few of us buy a used iPhone that is 2 years old even though in many
> cases it would do the trick as well and it would save you a fair bit since
> it is much cheaper to buy and you could get any post-paid or pre-paid plan
> you want since no carrier can ask you to sign up for a 2-year contract on
> some expensive plan.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Kelly Pierce
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: the cost of staying connected
>
> My observation is that 

Re: When would you ask for an app's refund?

[Hope Paulos]

Hi! If the application is in accessible, I would ask for a refund. You do not 
need a receipt from Apple to  ask for a refund.
Call the main Apple number, and ask to speak to the iTunes department. Explain 
the issue you're having with the application and they will provide you with a 
refund. You will receive the refund in up to 10 business days.


Hope Paulos
PS, I work for the iTunes department…

> On May 27, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Jennie Facer  wrote:
> 
> If it were me, I would ask for the refund until you know for a fact that that 
> app will be accessible the next time you download it. You need your receipt 
> from Apple to do this. That's what I would do. I am just of one opinion 
> though. 
> 
> Jenn 
> 
> Jenn and Kumi
> 
>> On May 27, 2017, at 7:10 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> 
>> Remember the other day when I recommended the Bills Monitor app, and wrote 
>> to the devs via Twitter and so far no updates or nothing! so I wonder what's 
>> would it take for you to ask for a refund? also if I leave the app on the 
>> App-switcher and double-tap, as long as I don't close it, it'll stay within 
>> the Bills menu, but if I close it, either I need to remember where the Bills 
>> menu button was, or ask for sighted help. Would you ask for a refund, or 
>> stick with the app, hoping someday the developper fixes it? Yes the cost is 
>> a dollar ($19 here in Mexico); part of me wants to keep the app since as 
>> mentiond before, the rest of the app is very accessible!--
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde Thunderbird
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Re: When would you ask for an app's refund?

[Richard Turner]

I believe in your emailed receipt, there is a place to ask for a refund. You 
could just set Calendar reminders to repeat monthly on a certain date to remind 
you to pay your bills.
Richard


On May 27, 2017, at 6:40 AM, Jennie Facer 
> wrote:

If it were me, I would ask for the refund until you know for a fact that that 
app will be accessible the next time you download it. You need your receipt 
from Apple to do this. That's what I would do. I am just of one opinion though.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

On May 27, 2017, at 7:10 AM, Gerardo Corripio 
> wrote:

Remember the other day when I recommended the Bills Monitor app, and wrote to 
the devs via Twitter and so far no updates or nothing! so I wonder what's would 
it take for you to ask for a refund? also if I leave the app on the 
App-switcher and double-tap, as long as I don't close it, it'll stay within the 
Bills menu, but if I close it, either I need to remember where the Bills menu 
button was, or ask for sighted help. Would you ask for a refund, or stick with 
the app, hoping someday the developper fixes it? Yes the cost is a dollar ($19 
here in Mexico); part of me wants to keep the app since as mentiond before, the 
rest of the app is very accessible!--
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Re: setting up new phone from I Tunes backup, done

[Christopher Chaltain]

Not all content will be captured in a backup. Apps will be reinstalled 
for example and music needs to be resynced.


On 26/05/17 19:57, deidre muccio wrote:

One hitch I encountered with setting up the new phone is that my
BARD downloads did not transfer from an I Tunes backup or never got back
upped. I just downloaded the book I have been reading. I also don't remember
what was discussed concerning the locked screen with the newest update. I
always manually lock my screen and like it that way. I don't recognize
anything in the settings that pertains to that, at least not using the old
language. I no longer get any voice over telling me the screen is locked
when I try to lock the phone the old way. All I hear is hit the home button
to open. I did not set a new password and don't want to do the
authentication thing. It took me forever to close that out.
The replacement phone came with a new sim card, but as soon as the
old one got popped into the new phone, it worked just fine, and I
immediately started to get notified of recent calls and voice messages. The
process really couldn't have been simpler though I was unfamiliar with it. A
few things alarmed me, like being told I could be charged up to $500 if
"find my phone" was not turned off breaking the link to I Cloud. They also
wanted the phone reset to factory defaults, and stripped of the sim card. I
worried that if the phone would not turn on which was the original problem,
that if I had already turned find my iphone off, then I would not be able to
do anything more remotely that would affect that phone. That juggled around
in my head for awhile while I tried to decide what to do first. Come
morning, the phone better turn on and once on, down it goes, and into the
return envelope it will go.

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Re: language learning apps accessebility

[Anouk Radix]

Hi yes I created an account, I have the dutch language though so perhaps its 
only English for us dutchies although I would find that rather strange…
Greetings, Anouk,
> On 27 May 2017, at 14:29, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I know someone who used Dual Linggo on the iPhone with VoiceOver.
> Did you create an account?
> It asks you to pick a course and Italian is definitely one of the courses as 
> that is what they did.
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On May 27, 2017, at 4:35 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I am trying to learn a bit of italian sure there is google translate but 
>> something more structured would be nice. I tried duolingo and rocket 
>> languages on ios but both dont seem to be too accessible with voiceover. 
>> With duolingo especially I wanted to select italian but the only language I 
>> could seem to find and select is English…
>> Any help and tips on alternatives would be appreciated.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: When would you ask for an app's refund?

[Jennie Facer]

If it were me, I would ask for the refund until you know for a fact that that 
app will be accessible the next time you download it. You need your receipt 
from Apple to do this. That's what I would do. I am just of one opinion though. 

Jenn 

Jenn and Kumi

> On May 27, 2017, at 7:10 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Remember the other day when I recommended the Bills Monitor app, and wrote to 
> the devs via Twitter and so far no updates or nothing! so I wonder what's 
> would it take for you to ask for a refund? also if I leave the app on the 
> App-switcher and double-tap, as long as I don't close it, it'll stay within 
> the Bills menu, but if I close it, either I need to remember where the Bills 
> menu button was, or ask for sighted help. Would you ask for a refund, or 
> stick with the app, hoping someday the developper fixes it? Yes the cost is a 
> dollar ($19 here in Mexico); part of me wants to keep the app since as 
> mentiond before, the rest of the app is very accessible!--
> Gera
> Enviado desde Thunderbird
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When would you ask for an app's refund?

[Gerardo Corripio]

Remember the other day when I recommended the Bills Monitor app, and wrote to 
the devs via Twitter and so far no updates or nothing! so I wonder what's would 
it take for you to ask for a refund? also if I leave the app on the 
App-switcher and double-tap, as long as I don't close it, it'll stay within the 
Bills menu, but if I close it, either I need to remember where the Bills menu 
button was, or ask for sighted help. Would you ask for a refund, or stick with 
the app, hoping someday the developper fixes it? Yes the cost is a dollar ($19 
here in Mexico); part of me wants to keep the app since as mentiond before, the 
rest of the app is very accessible!--
Gera
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Can anyone recommend a bag with neckstrap for my iphone 7 Plus.

[Annie Skov Nielsen]

Hi all.

Can anyone recommend a bag with neckstrap for my iPhone 7 Plus. I would like a 
bag, where I can control all buttons. It would be great with some card slots 
too.

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Re: language learning apps accessebility

[Brandon Olivares]

Duolingo is definitely very accessible. I learned French using Duolingo, and 
now am learning German.

If you want to learn languages though, I really suggest Italki. They have 
language teachers there that aren't too expensive and you'll make progress a 
lot more quickly. With Duolingo combined with Italki, I've been making good 
progress with German.

Brandon
> On May 27, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I know someone who used Dual Linggo on the iPhone with VoiceOver.
> Did you create an account?
> It asks you to pick a course and Italian is definitely one of the courses as 
> that is what they did.
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On May 27, 2017, at 4:35 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I am trying to learn a bit of italian sure there is google translate but 
>> something more structured would be nice. I tried duolingo and rocket 
>> languages on ios but both dont seem to be too accessible with voiceover. 
>> With duolingo especially I wanted to select italian but the only language I 
>> could seem to find and select is English…
>> Any help and tips on alternatives would be appreciated.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Greetings, Anouk,
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Re: language learning apps accessebility

[Richard Turner]

I know someone who used Dual Linggo on the iPhone with VoiceOver.
Did you create an account?
It asks you to pick a course and Italian is definitely one of the courses as 
that is what they did.
Richard


> On May 27, 2017, at 4:35 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I am trying to learn a bit of italian sure there is google translate but 
> something more structured would be nice. I tried duolingo and rocket 
> languages on ios but both dont seem to be too accessible with voiceover. With 
> duolingo especially I wanted to select italian but the only language I could 
> seem to find and select is English…
> Any help and tips on alternatives would be appreciated.
> Thanks in advance,
> 
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language learning apps accessebility

[Anouk Radix]

Hi everyone,
I am trying to learn a bit of italian sure there is google translate but 
something more structured would be nice. I tried duolingo and rocket languages 
on ios but both dont seem to be too accessible with voiceover. With duolingo 
especially I wanted to select italian but the only language I could seem to 
find and select is English…
Any help and tips on alternatives would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,

Greetings, Anouk,

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Autocorrect?

[Harry Bell]

Has anyone else noticed this bug? In ios 10.3.2. on iphone 7 Plus, i like to 
have autocorrect turned ON but every other day i start composing a message and 
discover that the setting has turned itself OFF. I go into Settings and turn 
auto correct back on - but in a day or two, the same problem happens. Thanks. 
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