Re: Bi14 experiences?

[Sadam Ahmed]

The exchange rate hits hard.
Baum made excellent displays, pity  the firm crashed.
14 seems to be the new 18.

On 8/14/2018 5:35 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

That seems like quite a large price difference. Here in the US, the price 
difference between the two devices is $300. I’m just not sure if I 14 sale 
display is going to be enough, even with a better keyboard. I wish they would 
settle on 20, like the folks from Baum did. But that device was so darn 
complicated. I guess nothings perfect.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:

You're welcome Mary.


I, too, have the larger BI display in my case the 40, and the keyboard on that 
unit is great.


I'm still within my 30 day return window with Humanware so may decide to send 
it back myself.


The Focus 14 and even for that matter the Focus 40  are fantastic.


Very well made and good keyboard with crisp key travel which isn't   loud.


Here in Aussie land though it's $2300AUD a big difference from the $1350AUD 
that Humanware charge.


Good luck and feel free to report back as to which way you go.


Best,


Sadam Ahmed



On 8/14/2018 4:30 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Thanks for your comments. I have never seen any of the focus displays. A friend 
of mine has the 40 and loves it. I had a brilliant 32 and like the keyboard and 
the ergonomics. I wish I knew if the focus had similar layout in terms of the 
keys. I’m going to take this to a meeting tomorrow and try to take notes to see 
if I can get used to the mushy keyboard. If not, I will reluctantly not buy it 
and try to see if I can see a focus before laying out that kind of money.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 13, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:


I did recently get the BI14 after waiting almost 6 months after order placement.

They sure did have lots of issues getting this one out the door.

The compactness is appreciated, but the keyboard of the device is very mushy, 
and not at all as pleasant as say, the larger BI40 that I use.

It is however, much cheaper than the Focus 14 at least here in Australia.

Maybe it's my imagination but the connection between the display and my phone 
isn't cutting out as much as it used to.

Overall not a bad display but I'd go for the Focus 14 if wanting to buy. just a 
much nicer build quality than the HW offering.

All the best,

Sadam Ahmed


On 8/13/2018 12:51 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I have to admit, I have never thought of connecting a braille display to an 
Apple TV. I have used a Bluetooth keyboard in the past, because it is so much 
faster to enter necessary passwords etc. That new touch remote that they have 
on the fourth generation and following has not appeal to me. I haven’t figured 
out how to make that as efficient as the old system was, which wasn’t great. 
Obviously, I missing something. I would be curious to know how you are making 
things efficient with your BI 14 on your Apple TV.
Mary


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On Aug 12, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Barry Abbott  wrote:

Hi Mary. I just received the BI14 this week. I have a first generation focus 40 
and a Braille Sense 40 display which was my wife's. I decided to keep the 
Braille Sense as I like keeping : fidential information on it. It has some note 
taking capability and works very well with the computer.

I wanted a small display that I could use with my iPhone and my two Apple 
TVGGS). I could not see myself doing any extensive reading on the 14 cell 
display. But I do like the portability and the joystick when using it with the 
iPhone and Apple TV(S) around the house. I also like being able to connect it 
to several devices at once.

My focus 40 was recently cleaned however some of the cells are still not 
working correctly and I am not willing to put any money into fixing it as I 
already have the Braille Sense.

One thing I notice with the Bi14 is that if you type very fast you sometimes get a 
different letter. When I typed the letters p and e in the word "type" they came 
that as the letter quite. I have found this to be the case on other displays as well.

Barry



Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone


On Aug 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Thank you, Barry. How are you dealing with the short display length? Have you 
used other displays, those from humanware or capability. My do you think of the 
input keys on this compared with other displays you might have used?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 12, 2018, at 6:27 AM, Barry Abbott  wrote:

Hello Mary. What you have to do first is one if using Gmail for example go into 
your google Account and make sure that notes is turned on.

Two on your BIA 14 when you’re in your notes application make sure that you are 
in the Gmail folder when you write the note.

Then if you want to force a sink press space with S. Otherwise your note should 
link up the next time you turn the device on.

The manual did not point out that you are supposed to ensure that the notes are 
turned on within your account.

I 

Re: Audio Description On Dish

[Arlene]

Hi, Scott, we have dish, however, there's a lot to discuss when it comes to 
questions like the one you're asking. We would like too discuss a lot of 
issues about dish with you, however, we don't want to clutter the list up, 
discussing dish issues, so if you'd like to continue this off list that 
would be great. In the meantime we'll be looking into an answer to your 
questions.

Here's our contact information:
Arlene
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Wayne
greenwoo...@cox.net
www.alldigitalaudio.com
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To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 12:19 PM
Subject: Audio Description On Dish



Hello,


I would like to hear from anyone who has Dish for their television service 
in regards to being able to access audio description on those programs 
that offer it.



We have been using Dish for almost a year now and for the most part we are 
satisfied with it with one major exception. For some reason any programs 
that are on TBS or TNT that have description we do not get the 
description. There are 3 shows that my wife and I are most interested in 
on these channel. On TBS The Big Bang Theory andSeinfeld(which I have just 
learned is described), and on TNT Law and Order.



I keep trying to get the described versions on these shows but as of now I 
have never been able to get the described versions of these shows. What is 
strange is that on any other channel where there is a show with audio 
description it works just fine.



I have talked several times to Dish about this but as of yet they have not 
fixed this for us.



So my question to the group is: is there anyone on the list that has Dish 
that is able to get audio description to work on either TBS or TNT?



Thank You,



Scott

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Re: ending a call using power button?

[Sadam Ahmed]

Actually I remember it used to be possible to end a call from the power 
button.


This was going back some iOS releases but stopped working.

On 8/14/2018 1:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

No, there never was a way to answer a call with the home button and neither can 
you end a call with the power button. For one thing, the iPhone X and new 
iPhones going forward don't have a home button so it's 2-finger double tap to 
answer/end which works quite well or you can find the End Call button and 
double tap it.


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Subject: ending a call using power button?

Hello is it possible to set the iphone to end the call with the power button 
and answer calls using the home button?

I thought that there used to be a setting for the former but am unsure on the 
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RE: Small camera

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, there is no camera on the Apple Watch. 
Jessica, if Judy wanted to tell she probablywould have *smile*.
Judy, as for these types of cameras you would want something like the Go Pro or 
similar which can record continuously and for hours when you rare out and 
about. If you had to turn it on each time something was going on you might as 
well use the video camera on your iPhone. 
I heard of a guy in England who put a Go Pro on his dog's harness, it's 
probably not that noticeable and this way it's always on and it will most 
likely get most things in front of you and to the side, it wouldn't get 
somebpody who came up from behind you and tripeed you or snatched your purse, 
but let's hope it won't be needed for that.

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Arnold
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Small camera

Would an Apple watch have a camera? Like maybe it would do the camera thing and 
other stuff too? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Small camera

Looking at Amazon here in the UK the Tom Tom is very expensive about 340 
pounds. The Go Pro is cheaper about 285 pounds for one model it has simple 
voice commands.   Amazon seem to be plugging a make called Akaso which is much 
cheaper with a remote control on your wrist. 
I just want something very simple to use and not too expensive.  I will consult 
my family when they return from Spain. 

Kind regards

Judy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 13 Aug 2018, at 16:29, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Can you go into a bit more detail why the Tom Tom camera is in your opinion 
> better than the Go Pro? Go Pro of course is just a brand, they make quite a 
> few cameras.
> One thing to remember is that while this could come in handy, it is an 
> investment of several hundred Dollars.
> 
> 
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> goshawk on horseback
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Small camera
> Importance: High
> 
> I would recommend one of the body warn action cams, such as the go 
> pro, or tom-tom bandit, which I personally think is better.
> I am thinking of using one when riding, to catch out some of the dick 
> head drivers, and the issues we have with traveller stallions and such.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Judy Pryor" 
> To: 
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> Subject: Small camera
> 
> 
> An unpleasant thing happened to me on Friday evening, and today 
> somethin really frightened my dog.  I am looking for advice as to 
> whether a small camera or anything else could help.  I am using an 
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Re: Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

I’m typing these messages on the keyboard. the person from Be My Eyes told me 
to take off the little tab covering the battery compartment.

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 11:01 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Well, I've had my keyboard for over a year and have not needed to change 
> batteries.
> Have you opened the battery compartment? The batteries might be in it, but 
> with a plastic strip preventing them from draining.
> Richard
> 
> 
> "I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
> there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett
> 
> 
> [Sent from my little hand-held computer]
> 
> 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:49 PM, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Richard, 
>> I will have to save your message because that is really helpful. now how 
>> long do the batteries last on this thing? I actually bought mine from Best 
>> Buy, thinking the batteries would be rechargable, but oh well. This is a 
>> pretty cool keyboard so far. 
>> 
>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have that keyboard.
>>> If you bought it new from Amazon, the two triple A batteries should have 
>>> been in the box, though they are hard to find. Check the corners and all 
>>> over inside the lid of the box.
>>> If you haven't found out how to pair it yet, once the batteries are in, the 
>>> slide switch needs to be slid away from the battery compartment.
>>> Then, go to the bluetooth settings on your device and make sure you know 
>>> which position the dial for selecting devices is where you want it.
>>> Then, press and hold the button on the far right just below the slot for 
>>> the iPad.  There are two retangular buttons, the iOS device one is the far 
>>> right.
>>> Hold it for several seconds and the K480 keyboard should show up on your 
>>> device, double tap it when it does and they wil pair.  No codes required.
>>> 
>>> The keys on the bottom row from left to right are: control, function, 
>>> options, command, spacebar, command, options, left arrow, down arrow, right 
>>> arrow.  Note that the up arrow is the top half of the down arrow.
>>> 
>>> If you press VO+K you will be in keyboard help/practice mode.  You can 
>>> confirm the rest of the keys that way.  Just be aware that some of the keys 
>>> on the function key row at the top will kick you out of practice mode and 
>>> you will have to go back into it to continue.
>>> 
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
>>> there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [Sent from my little hand-held computer]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:23 PM, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi listers, 
 So I got the Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard. Does anyone have this 
 keyboard? What is the battery life for this one? What batteries does it 
 take? If so, can you tell me about the layout? 
 Thanks so much. 
 And I look forward to learning more about my new keyboard. 
 
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RE: ending a call using power button?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

No, there never was a way to answer a call with the home button and neither can 
you end a call with the power button. For one thing, the iPhone X and new 
iPhones going forward don't have a home button so it's 2-finger double tap to 
answer/end which works quite well or you can find the End Call button and 
double tap it.


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Subject: ending a call using power button?

Hello is it possible to set the iphone to end the call with the power button 
and answer calls using the home button?

I thought that there used to be a setting for the former but am unsure on the 
lader.


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RE: Thermostat again

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have a feeling that the Honeywell Lyric line may replace their older models 
although I could be wrong here. In any case, the Lyric T5 is only I think $129 
here, wouldn’t be surprised if it was $99 in the US and it uses an app called 
Honeywell Home which recently had a pretty big and deliberate accessibility 
upgrade. It works great and both Apple Homekit/SIRI and Alexa are supported.

Regards,
Sieghardthink

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Turner
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Thermostat again

We have the Honeywell Thermostat 9320 WF5003-u
It too was about $200, but the Honeywell Total Comfort app is quite accessible 
and you would need the Mac address of the thermostat to setup yr account so you 
can access the thermostat from anywhere.
The thermostat itself does not talk, and physically is only adjustable with 
sight, but the app makes it so I can set the AC or heat myself.
HTH,
Richard

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On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:42 PM, 'Dan' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
Hello,
I have the talking thermostat from 
Talkingthermostats.com.
It's the VIP3000.
This is a universal thermostat. It is not a Wi-Fi thermostat.
It does have 5/2 programming. That means weekday and weekend programming.
It speaks in an extremely clear male voice.
The price was around $190 or so.
HTh.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:33 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
HI,

I haven’t previously been in the market for a new thermostat, but found out 
this morning I need to get one urgently, if I want to stay cool in our current 
heat.

I’ll be checking the Archive for comments, but I need to know quickly when 
talking to the electrician for which thermostat is best.

In case I don’t get through the Archived material in time, can those in the 
know suggest best or several good VO accessible thermostats, and which to avoid?

Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard

[Richard Turner]

Well, I've had my keyboard for over a year and have not needed to change 
batteries.
Have you opened the battery compartment? The batteries might be in it, but with 
a plastic strip preventing them from draining.
Richard



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there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Aug 13, 2018, at 7:49 PM, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Richard,
I will have to save your message because that is really helpful. now how long 
do the batteries last on this thing? I actually bought mine from Best Buy, 
thinking the batteries would be rechargable, but oh well. This is a pretty cool 
keyboard so far.

On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I have that keyboard.
If you bought it new from Amazon, the two triple A batteries should have been 
in the box, though they are hard to find. Check the corners and all over inside 
the lid of the box.
If you haven't found out how to pair it yet, once the batteries are in, the 
slide switch needs to be slid away from the battery compartment.
Then, go to the bluetooth settings on your device and make sure you know which 
position the dial for selecting devices is where you want it.
Then, press and hold the button on the far right just below the slot for the 
iPad.  There are two retangular buttons, the iOS device one is the far right.
Hold it for several seconds and the K480 keyboard should show up on your 
device, double tap it when it does and they wil pair.  No codes required.

The keys on the bottom row from left to right are: control, function, options, 
command, spacebar, command, options, left arrow, down arrow, right arrow.  Note 
that the up arrow is the top half of the down arrow.

If you press VO+K you will be in keyboard help/practice mode.  You can confirm 
the rest of the keys that way.  Just be aware that some of the keys on the 
function key row at the top will kick you out of practice mode and you will 
have to go back into it to continue.

HTH,
Richard



"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:23 PM, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi listers,
So I got the Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard. Does anyone have this keyboard? 
What is the battery life for this one? What batteries does it take? If so, can 
you tell me about the layout?
Thanks so much.
And I look forward to learning more about my new keyboard.

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Re: Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

Hi Richard, 
I will have to save your message because that is really helpful. now how long 
do the batteries last on this thing? I actually bought mine from Best Buy, 
thinking the batteries would be rechargable, but oh well. This is a pretty cool 
keyboard so far. 

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 10:20 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I have that keyboard.
> If you bought it new from Amazon, the two triple A batteries should have been 
> in the box, though they are hard to find. Check the corners and all over 
> inside the lid of the box.
> If you haven't found out how to pair it yet, once the batteries are in, the 
> slide switch needs to be slid away from the battery compartment.
> Then, go to the bluetooth settings on your device and make sure you know 
> which position the dial for selecting devices is where you want it.
> Then, press and hold the button on the far right just below the slot for the 
> iPad.  There are two retangular buttons, the iOS device one is the far right.
> Hold it for several seconds and the K480 keyboard should show up on your 
> device, double tap it when it does and they wil pair.  No codes required.
> 
> The keys on the bottom row from left to right are: control, function, 
> options, command, spacebar, command, options, left arrow, down arrow, right 
> arrow.  Note that the up arrow is the top half of the down arrow.
> 
> If you press VO+K you will be in keyboard help/practice mode.  You can 
> confirm the rest of the keys that way.  Just be aware that some of the keys 
> on the function key row at the top will kick you out of practice mode and you 
> will have to go back into it to continue.
> 
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> "I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
> there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett
> 
> 
> [Sent from my little hand-held computer]
> 
> 
> On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:23 PM, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi listers, 
>> So I got the Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard. Does anyone have this 
>> keyboard? What is the battery life for this one? What batteries does it 
>> take? If so, can you tell me about the layout? 
>> Thanks so much. 
>> And I look forward to learning more about my new keyboard. 
>> 
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Re: Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard

[Richard Turner]

I have that keyboard.
If you bought it new from Amazon, the two triple A batteries should have been 
in the box, though they are hard to find. Check the corners and all over inside 
the lid of the box.
If you haven't found out how to pair it yet, once the batteries are in, the 
slide switch needs to be slid away from the battery compartment.
Then, go to the bluetooth settings on your device and make sure you know which 
position the dial for selecting devices is where you want it.
Then, press and hold the button on the far right just below the slot for the 
iPad.  There are two retangular buttons, the iOS device one is the far right.
Hold it for several seconds and the K480 keyboard should show up on your 
device, double tap it when it does and they wil pair.  No codes required.

The keys on the bottom row from left to right are: control, function, options, 
command, spacebar, command, options, left arrow, down arrow, right arrow.  Note 
that the up arrow is the top half of the down arrow.

If you press VO+K you will be in keyboard help/practice mode.  You can confirm 
the rest of the keys that way.  Just be aware that some of the keys on the 
function key row at the top will kick you out of practice mode and you will 
have to go back into it to continue.

HTH,
Richard



"I'll be more enthusiastic about encouraging thinking outside the box when 
there's evidence of any thinking going on inside it." -- Terry Pratchett



[Sent from my little hand-held computer]


On Aug 13, 2018, at 6:23 PM, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi listers,
So I got the Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard. Does anyone have this keyboard? 
What is the battery life for this one? What batteries does it take? If so, can 
you tell me about the layout?
Thanks so much.
And I look forward to learning more about my new keyboard.

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Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

[Jewel]

Sandy!  If you are on "the dark side of the moon" how is it that I am recieving 
your emails?  If radio and light waves can't get through, what kind of waves 
transport emails?

Jewel


From: 'Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 10:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos


yuma,
Your app sounds absolutely gorgeous! your presentation of it was absolutely 
excellent! I shall try and download the beta version a little later today. I 
think, we are only just beginning to explore the possibilities 3-D sound 
skates. thanks for creating something so beautiful and immersive.


from Sandy, in Ireland.


Sent from The dark side of the moon

On 12 Aug 2018, at 20:15, Yuma Decaux  wrote:


  Hi Everyone, 


  A quick introduction of myself.


  I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
Australia.


  I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't always like that. I 
still remember summer nights when the sky was clear enough to see the Milky 
Way, the planets through the lens of a telescope, and the first images of 
constellations with their beautiful nebulas came out.


  So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory dimensions, with an 
attention to those who are partially sighted too, wherever I am located on 
earth. if I look for the sun, the phone will orient me to its exact location.


  Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
dawn. 


  As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, asteroids, near earth objects, 
constellations, major stars and find information about them all, I thought it 
appropriate to put both gods of the sky in the same name.


  This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system which 
follows in mission critical precision all objects within the confines of the 
solar system, and updates itself automatically for the more than 118000 stars 
which are visible to the naked eye, 22 other objects, including far away 
galaxies, their names, categories, how they look, what chemical elements or 
spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, through the largest 
astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.


  The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
more content to the app, but more importantly, finding new ways to allow those 
of us who are blind to access such information, and really have a sense of 
where all of this is in the sky.


  My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot of 
stars remain almost static, how some constellations are named and why, when 
they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact location. I spend a lot of 
time reflecting on how to make this magic better using either visual, sound, 
touch or voice.


  You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
audio experience of major stars in the 89 constellations interpreted as chimes, 
with higher pitches representing newborn stars, and clangy metallic chimes 
those older stars which are cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls coursing 
through the 3D space, and i am thinking of other ways to represent those stars 
and their properties.




  The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio of 
me playing around with it:



https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0






  If you are interested in testing the beta, I invite you to leave me your 
email at the following link: (don't expect it to be completely stable yet but 
it works fine on devices such as iPads and iPhones down to the 6 without 
issues).


  https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts




  Since this is a beta, I am interested in getting your feedback, ideas and 
requests, and I will do my best to put them in the app.


  have a great week y'all,


  Yuma Antoine Decaux
  OSS (Operating System Stack)
  Oseyeris
  www.oseyeris.com
  Skype: Shainobi1 
  twitter: @triple7
  linkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/yuma-decaux-2756284/

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Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard

['Maria Reyes' via VIPhone]

Hi listers, 
So I got the Logitech K480 bluetooth keyboard. Does anyone have this keyboard? 
What is the battery life for this one? What batteries does it take? If so, can 
you tell me about the layout? 
Thanks so much. 
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RE: mobile banking

[R Van Lant]

Hi – I use the Keybank Mobile app.  It’s usable.  There are some buttons with 
odd labels that you get used to.  I can read my transactions and make 
transfers.  I have not tried the bill pay function nor the mobile deposit.   If 
you have specific items you want me to try out, do let me know.







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Rizzino, Bonnie
Sent: Thursday, August 2, 2018 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: mobile banking

Hi,
Does anyone have any information about how accessible the keybank mobile app is 
with voiceover.
In looking through archived messages for this group, I saw a message that said 
that the app had some accessibility issues, but don’t know if these have been 
solved or not.
Thank you.

Bonnie Rizzino
Case Manager
Blind and Vision Rehabilitation Services of Pittsburgh
1816 Locust St.
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www.bvrspittsburgh.org
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Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Kwork]

I've been using the Logitech 380 keyboard for a couple of days now.

Dark gray:
https://www.amazon.com/Logitech-K380-Multi-Device-Bluetooth-Keyboard/dp/B0148NPH9I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1534205524=8-1=logitech+380

Blue:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NPAT0/ref=twister_B0159PSADO?_encoding=UTF8=1

With prime, they're about $27. Without prime, you'll need a third party 
seller, prices starting around $20 for refurbished and $33 for new at time 
of writing.

Cons: Very few that I've found, so will deal with these first as they are 
preference only.
No separate number pad. The numbers are on the row above the qwerty line.
There are function keys. Positive is that most work. The negative for those 
wanting to use the keyboard to brighten and darken the screen won't be able 
to do so with f1 or f2. F1, f2, f3 are reserved for the three channels 
allowed by the keyboard, so three devices can be paired.
For those used to harder to push square keys, you'll be out of luck. Instead 
of squares and rectangles for longer keys, you now will have round and oval 
shaped keys, and a much more sensitive touch, so no slamming the keys in 
anger. Doing so on this lightweight keyboard could possibly break something.

The positives. So far, everything else.
The touch is light.
Responsiveness is nearly immediate. The negative being that it is easily 
possible to press a double letter while getting used to the lightness of 
touch.
There is an on/off switch on the side.
So far, the AAA battery is lasting.
Thickness is about half of that of a regular keyboard. So is the weight. 
Length is probably three inches shorter than a regular keyboard since there 
is no numpad. Height is probably one inch less than a regular keyboard.

So far, well worth the purchase.

Arlene, I couldn't find the Black webb keyboards online, and a trip to 
Walmart was not in our immediate future, so my wife ordered this one on her 
Prime account instead. So far, very happy with it, and it's not $100. :)
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: "Arlene" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think if the keys were round and about the size of my fingers that are
small, if the keys were even just slightly bigger than my finger or about
the same size, to me, it sounds like it would be confortable to type on.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 9:56 AM
Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


I think I'd prefer round, because there would, by necessity be a little more
separation of keys. It's all a matter of taste, said the old man who kissed
the cow.

Best regards,

Carolyn

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 3:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That would be great. I know there is never more than one answer to things.
Someone in a review complained that the keyboard I'm getting has round keys
instead of the standard square keys. LOL!
- Original Message - 
From: Arlene 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That sounds like a good keyboard, Travis. I think we have 1 or 2 others from
walmart, I'll have to find out which ones they are.

Arlene

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From: Kwork 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Arlene, thanks much. When we looked at WalMart out here, they didn't have
any in stock that we could find. We ended up ordering the Logitech K380
Multi-Device Bluetooth Keyboard from Amazon for $27 with Prime.
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: Arlene 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Travis, one of the bluetooth keyboards we have is the black webb keyboard.
It says it was made for the ipad, but we use it with our se iphones, and
it's really great to use with our phones, and you could buy it at Walmart
for $20. It's a very sturdy feeling keyboard, and we both enjoy typing on
it.

Arlene


- Original Message - 
From: Kwork 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Thanks. I have a Logitech wireless keyboard, and am fine with it. I'll watch
prices as I don't want to spend $100 for certain on it. I'm seeing bluetooth
keyboards on Amazon for as low as $13.99, but the more expensive ones do
seem to be rated higher overall.
Travis
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Re: Black Web bluetooth keyboard

[Dave]

Hi, The on off switch, on these keyboards, is for when you are traveling, and 
packing your keyboard away, so the buttons don’t get pressed, as that will 
activate the keyboard, and use up battery.

If you are using the keyboard, when you are not traveling, then it will go into 
sleep mode, usually within a minute or 2, of inactivity.

Dave.


From: Arlene 
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2018 12:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Black Web bluetooth keyboard

Bill, We have 3 of these black webb keyboards, and in 3 months time, so far, 
the rechargable batteries in the keyboard is long lasting, since they haven't 
needed charging up yet. The battery status doesn't show up in the phone, we've 
looked. We navigate on the screen of the phone more than using the keyboard so 
far, so  it might depend on one's usage of the keyboard. Even if we began using 
the keyboard more, I think this battery would last a good while. One really 
wonderful thing about this keyboard is that it has a slide button, to turn the 
keyboard off or to turn it on. So when we're not using the keyboard we slide 
that button off. In fact one keyboard that we have has been turned off each 
time, it was used, and the other keyboard has never been turned off, and it's 
been on for the whole 3 months, and neither  one needs charging yet. So since 
we've only had these keyboards for 3 months so far, it will be interesting to 
see in time how it goes, and how long it will be when we need to recharge the 
battery. It seems to me that the keyboard would work on all of the phones sold 
in the store, including the more recent ones, as the x, your phone the 8 plus 
and 8 and others. I'll find the box to the keyboard and see if it specifically 
says it's only for certain iphones or ipad mini models  which it was actually 
designed for, though we use it with our se phones. While I get the information 
from the box, since black webb is one of the brands that walmart sells possibly 
you could call your local walmart to ask them if this keyboard would work with 
your phone, or you could call the walmart headquarters and talk to the 
walmart.com department ask if your phone, the 8 plus phone will work  with the 
keyboard. I know the walmart.com is for shopping online, but I've called before 
to find out about products a few times, since I don't buy anything online.  
When you ask about it, it's the black webb keyboard that costs about $20.

Arlene
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  From: Bill Outman 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 2:33 PM
  Subject: Black Web bluetooth keyboard

  Hello, all.  

   

  I’ve been impressed by this Black Web keyboard everyone has been discussing.  

   

  I have a couple questions.  Will it work with my 8 Plus?  Arlene, you 
mentioned it has USB charging capability; how do I tell the level of charge and 
when it needs charging as I am totally blind?  

   

  Bill Outman 

   

   

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Re: Black Web bluetooth keyboard

[Arlene]

Bill, We have 3 of these black webb keyboards, and in 3 months time, so far, 
the rechargable batteries in the keyboard is long lasting, since they haven't 
needed charging up yet. The battery status doesn't show up in the phone, we've 
looked. We navigate on the screen of the phone more than using the keyboard so 
far, so  it might depend on one's usage of the keyboard. Even if we began using 
the keyboard more, I think this battery would last a good while. One really 
wonderful thing about this keyboard is that it has a slide button, to turn the 
keyboard off or to turn it on. So when we're not using the keyboard we slide 
that button off. In fact one keyboard that we have has been turned off each 
time, it was used, and the other keyboard has never been turned off, and it's 
been on for the whole 3 months, and neither  one needs charging yet. So since 
we've only had these keyboards for 3 months so far, it will be interesting to 
see in time how it goes, and how long it will be when we need to recharge the 
battery. It seems to me that the keyboard would work on all of the phones sold 
in the store, including the more recent ones, as the x, your phone the 8 plus 
and 8 and others. I'll find the box to the keyboard and see if it specifically 
says it's only for certain iphones or ipad mini models  which it was actually 
designed for, though we use it with our se phones. While I get the information 
from the box, since black webb is one of the brands that walmart sells possibly 
you could call your local walmart to ask them if this keyboard would work with 
your phone, or you could call the walmart headquarters and talk to the 
walmart.com department ask if your phone, the 8 plus phone will work  with the 
keyboard. I know the walmart.com is for shopping online, but I've called before 
to find out about products a few times, since I don't buy anything online.  
When you ask about it, it's the black webb keyboard that costs about $20.

Arlene
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  From: Bill Outman 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 2:33 PM
  Subject: Black Web bluetooth keyboard


  Hello, all.  

   

  I’ve been impressed by this Black Web keyboard everyone has been discussing.  

   

  I have a couple questions.  Will it work with my 8 Plus?  Arlene, you 
mentioned it has USB charging capability; how do I tell the level of charge and 
when it needs charging as I am totally blind?  

   

  Bill Outman 

   

   


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RE: Small camera

[Carolyn Arnold]

Would an Apple watch have a camera? Like maybe it would do the camera thing and 
other stuff too? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Judy Pryor
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: Small camera

Looking at Amazon here in the UK the Tom Tom is very expensive about 340 
pounds. The Go Pro is cheaper about 285 pounds for one model it has simple 
voice commands.   Amazon seem to be plugging a make called Akaso which is much 
cheaper with a remote control on your wrist. 
I just want something very simple to use and not too expensive.  I will consult 
my family when they return from Spain. 

Kind regards

Judy

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> On 13 Aug 2018, at 16:29, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Can you go into a bit more detail why the Tom Tom camera is in your opinion 
> better than the Go Pro? Go Pro of course is just a brand, they make quite a 
> few cameras.
> One thing to remember is that while this could come in handy, it is an 
> investment of several hundred Dollars.
> 
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> goshawk on horseback
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Small camera
> Importance: High
> 
> I would recommend one of the body warn action cams, such as the go 
> pro, or tom-tom bandit, which I personally think is better.
> I am thinking of using one when riding, to catch out some of the dick 
> head drivers, and the issues we have with traveller stallions and such.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Judy Pryor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 3:47 PM
> Subject: Small camera
> 
> 
> An unpleasant thing happened to me on Friday evening, and today 
> somethin really frightened my dog.  I am looking for advice as to 
> whether a small camera or anything else could help.  I am using an 
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ending a call using power button?

[The wolf]

Hello is it possible to set the iphone to end the call with the power 
button and answer calls using the home button?


I thought that there used to be a setting for the former but am unsure 
on the lader.



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Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Arlene]

Sometimes the keyboard really comes in handy.

ARlene
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From: "Andrew J. LaPointe" 

To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 2:36 AM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


   thank you so very much!!! I will look into the Black Webb keyboard
soon as I think I would do better typing notes, FB, and other things that
Voice over seems to give me a problem.  Andy and Shubert

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From: Arlene

Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That's understandable.
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From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:08 PM
Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


It does sound good. It may be a while before I get to Wal-Mart and can check
one out.

Best regards,

Carolyn


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Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 7:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Carolyn, just keep in mind when the lid is down it will be a bit thicker,
and you don't have to remove the lid unless you want too. It's kind of nice
without the lid being on. We still have 2 of the black web keyboards,  that
still have the lid on, and one of those is mine, and the third of this same
kind of keyboard that has the lid off.  I think you'll like it, it's so
sturdy and confortable to type on. It's good either way, with the lid on or
off.
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From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


It sounds really good to me, and $20? I got out three slates and held them
together. I like the idea that the f and j are marked too. So, Black and
Webb, I'll remember.

Best regards,

Carolyn

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arlene
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Andy, you can tell the keys on this keyboard. You could feel the inditations
between the keys, which is a bit smaller and narrower inditation than on our
computer keyboards which I've noticed since I'm typing on my computer's
keyboard now. So you could easily tell the letters apart on this black webb
bluetooth keyboard, the inditations between the keys are just a bit smaller
and narrower and closer compared to the inditations and separate ness of the
keys on our computer keyboards and the f and j keys are clearly marked and
easy to feel and locate. What you made me think of, is you know how on some
of the button phones you almost can't tell the difference  between the keys
on the number pad, due to the inditations between the keys being really
faint? This keyboard's inditation isn't faint like that, you would be able
to feel the inditation that separateness of the keys. This keyboard has a
hinged cover/lid, that when open you could place an ipad mini in the lid ,
in fact it has a round cut out for the camera, headphones, power, up down
volume and speaker. These cut outs are very neat and non intrusive. We have
more than one of these keyboards, and as we did with one of them, if you
didn't want the lid on there  with a  tiny screw driver you could remove the
2 tiny screws and the lid will come off. Actually we have more than one of
these keyboards, we have one of these keyboards with the lid on and the
other one with the lid off, and we like to use them either way. Placing the
ipad in the cover  doesn't seem that sturdy even though this keyboard was
designed to use with an ipad. The nice thing about having the ipad in the
lid is that you can fold it all up together. We're writing this message
together. Wayne was thinking about figuring out some ways to have the ipad
placed in the lid to be more secure than it seems to be. If you were really
careful and you were using an ipad in the lid it would probably be fine. Of
course this will work with an ipad without placing it in the lid.In spite of
that we really like using our se phones with this keyboard. When the
keyboard is open, it's pretty think but really sturdy, the thickness is like
the thickness of holding 2 pocket slates pus half the thickness of a 3rd
slate so in other words the thickness of the keyboard is just a little less
than the thickness of 3 slates held together. The keyboard is so sturdy,
either a thick book board or board slate kind of sturdy, as in even a thick
piece of wood. It's so strong for something this thin it won't budge around
as you're typing. No flimsiness here. If you have any other questions just
ask.

ARlene


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Subject: Re: 

Re: Thermostat again

[Richard Turner]

We have the Honeywell Thermostat 9320 WF5003-u
It too was about $200, but the Honeywell Total Comfort app is quite accessible 
and you would need the Mac address of the thermostat to setup yr account so you 
can access the thermostat from anywhere.
The thermostat itself does not talk, and physically is only adjustable with 
sight, but the app makes it so I can set the AC or heat myself.
HTH,
Richard

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On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:42 PM, 'Dan' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hello,
I have the talking thermostat from 
Talkingthermostats.com.
It's the VIP3000.
This is a universal thermostat. It is not a Wi-Fi thermostat.
It does have 5/2 programming. That means weekday and weekend programming.
It speaks in an extremely clear male voice.
The price was around $190 or so.
HTh.

Dan


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On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:33 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

HI,

I haven’t previously been in the market for a new thermostat, but found out 
this morning I need to get one urgently, if I want to stay cool in our current 
heat.

I’ll be checking the Archive for comments, but I need to know quickly when 
talking to the electrician for which thermostat is best.

In case I don’t get through the Archived material in time, can those in the 
know suggest best or several good VO accessible thermostats, and which to avoid?

Thanks in advance, Keith

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Re: Audio Description On Dish

[Peter Logan]

If you change your language to Spanish… Then you should get the descriptive 
track…

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> 
> Hello,
> 
> 
> I would like to hear from anyone who has Dish for their television service in 
> regards to being able to access audio description on those programs that 
> offer it.
> 
> 
> We have been using Dish for almost a year now and for the most part we are 
> satisfied with it with one major exception. For some reason any programs that 
> are on TBS or TNT that have description we do not get the description. There 
> are 3 shows that my wife and I are most interested in on these channel. On 
> TBS The Big Bang Theory andSeinfeld(which I have just learned is described), 
> and on TNT Law and Order.
> 
> 
> I keep trying to get the described versions on these shows but as of now I 
> have never been able to get the described versions of these shows. What is 
> strange is that on any other channel where there is a show with audio 
> description it works just fine.
> 
> 
> I have talked several times to Dish about this but as of yet they have not 
> fixed this for us.
> 
> 
> So my question to the group is: is there anyone on the list that has Dish 
> that is able to get audio description to work on either TBS or TNT?
> 
> 
> Thank You,
> 
> 
> 
> Scott
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Re: Thermostat again

['Dan' via VIPhone]

Hello,
I have the talking thermostat from Talkingthermostats.com.
It's the VIP3000.
This is a universal thermostat. It is not a Wi-Fi thermostat.
It does have 5/2 programming. That means weekday and weekend programming.
It speaks in an extremely clear male voice.
The price was around $190 or so.
HTh.

Dan


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:33 PM, 'Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> HI,
>  
> I haven’t previously been in the market for a new thermostat, but found out 
> this morning I need to get one urgently, if I want to stay cool in our 
> current heat.
>  
> I’ll be checking the Archive for comments, but I need to know quickly when 
> talking to the electrician for which thermostat is best.
>  
> In case I don’t get through the Archived material in time, can those in the 
> know suggest best or several good VO accessible thermostats, and which to 
> avoid?
>  
> Thanks in advance, Keith
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Re: Bi14 experiences?

[Mary Otten]

That seems like quite a large price difference. Here in the US, the price 
difference between the two devices is $300. I’m just not sure if I 14 sale 
display is going to be enough, even with a better keyboard. I wish they would 
settle on 20, like the folks from Baum did. But that device was so darn 
complicated. I guess nothings perfect.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:08 PM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> You're welcome Mary.
> 
> 
> I, too, have the larger BI display in my case the 40, and the keyboard on 
> that unit is great.
> 
> 
> I'm still within my 30 day return window with Humanware so may decide to send 
> it back myself.
> 
> 
> The Focus 14 and even for that matter the Focus 40  are fantastic.
> 
> 
> Very well made and good keyboard with crisp key travel which isn't   loud.
> 
> 
> Here in Aussie land though it's $2300AUD a big difference from the $1350AUD 
> that Humanware charge.
> 
> 
> Good luck and feel free to report back as to which way you go.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
> 
>> On 8/14/2018 4:30 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Thanks for your comments. I have never seen any of the focus displays. A 
>> friend of mine has the 40 and loves it. I had a brilliant 32 and like the 
>> keyboard and the ergonomics. I wish I knew if the focus had similar layout 
>> in terms of the keys. I’m going to take this to a meeting tomorrow and try 
>> to take notes to see if I can get used to the mushy keyboard. If not, I will 
>> reluctantly not buy it and try to see if I can see a focus before laying out 
>> that kind of money.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I did recently get the BI14 after waiting almost 6 months after order 
>>> placement.
>>> 
>>> They sure did have lots of issues getting this one out the door.
>>> 
>>> The compactness is appreciated, but the keyboard of the device is very 
>>> mushy, and not at all as pleasant as say, the larger BI40 that I use.
>>> 
>>> It is however, much cheaper than the Focus 14 at least here in Australia.
>>> 
>>> Maybe it's my imagination but the connection between the display and my 
>>> phone isn't cutting out as much as it used to.
>>> 
>>> Overall not a bad display but I'd go for the Focus 14 if wanting to buy. 
>>> just a much nicer build quality than the HW offering.
>>> 
>>> All the best,
>>> 
>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>> 
 On 8/13/2018 12:51 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
 I have to admit, I have never thought of connecting a braille display to 
 an Apple TV. I have used a Bluetooth keyboard in the past, because it is 
 so much faster to enter necessary passwords etc. That new touch remote 
 that they have on the fourth generation and following has not appeal to 
 me. I haven’t figured out how to make that as efficient as the old system 
 was, which wasn’t great. Obviously, I missing something. I would be 
 curious to know how you are making things efficient with your BI 14 on 
 your Apple TV.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 12, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Barry Abbott  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary. I just received the BI14 this week. I have a first generation 
> focus 40 and a Braille Sense 40 display which was my wife's. I decided to 
> keep the Braille Sense as I like keeping : fidential information on it. 
> It has some note taking capability and works very well with the computer.
> 
> I wanted a small display that I could use with my iPhone and my two Apple 
> TVGGS). I could not see myself doing any extensive reading on the 14 cell 
> display. But I do like the portability and the joystick when using it 
> with the iPhone and Apple TV(S) around the house. I also like being able 
> to connect it to several devices at once.
> 
> My focus 40 was recently cleaned however some of the cells are still not 
> working correctly and I am not willing to put any money into fixing it as 
> I already have the Braille Sense.
> 
> One thing I notice with the Bi14 is that if you type very fast you 
> sometimes get a different letter. When I typed the letters p and e in the 
> word "type" they came that as the letter quite. I have found this to be 
> the case on other displays as well.
> 
> Barry
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you, Barry. How are you dealing with the short display length? 
>> Have you used other displays, those from humanware or capability. My do 
>> you think of the input keys on this compared with other displays you 
>> might have used?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 6:27 AM, Barry Abbott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Mary. What you have to do first is one if using Gmail for example 
>>> go into your google Account and make sure that notes is 

Thermostat again

['Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.' via VIPhone]

HI,

I haven't previously been in the market for a new thermostat, but found out 
this morning I need to get one urgently, if I want to stay cool in our current 
heat.

I'll be checking the Archive for comments, but I need to know quickly when 
talking to the electrician for which thermostat is best.

In case I don't get through the Archived material in time, can those in the 
know suggest best or several good VO accessible thermostats, and which to avoid?

Thanks in advance, Keith

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Black Web bluetooth keyboard

[Bill Outman]

Hello, all.  

 

I've been impressed by this Black Web keyboard everyone has been discussing.


 

I have a couple questions.  Will it work with my 8 Plus?  Arlene, you
mentioned it has USB charging capability; how do I tell the level of charge
and when it needs charging as I am totally blind?  

 

Bill Outman 

 

 

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Re: Bi14 experiences?

[Sadam Ahmed]

You're welcome Mary.


I, too, have the larger BI display in my case the 40, and the keyboard 
on that unit is great.



I'm still within my 30 day return window with Humanware so may decide to 
send it back myself.



The Focus 14 and even for that matter the Focus 40  are fantastic.


Very well made and good keyboard with crisp key travel which isn't   loud.


Here in Aussie land though it's $2300AUD a big difference from the 
$1350AUD that Humanware charge.



Good luck and feel free to report back as to which way you go.


Best,


Sadam Ahmed


On 8/14/2018 4:30 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

Thanks for your comments. I have never seen any of the focus displays. A friend 
of mine has the 40 and loves it. I had a brilliant 32 and like the keyboard and 
the ergonomics. I wish I knew if the focus had similar layout in terms of the 
keys. I’m going to take this to a meeting tomorrow and try to take notes to see 
if I can get used to the mushy keyboard. If not, I will reluctantly not buy it 
and try to see if I can see a focus before laying out that kind of money.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 13, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:


I did recently get the BI14 after waiting almost 6 months after order placement.

They sure did have lots of issues getting this one out the door.

The compactness is appreciated, but the keyboard of the device is very mushy, 
and not at all as pleasant as say, the larger BI40 that I use.

It is however, much cheaper than the Focus 14 at least here in Australia.

Maybe it's my imagination but the connection between the display and my phone 
isn't cutting out as much as it used to.

Overall not a bad display but I'd go for the Focus 14 if wanting to buy. just a 
much nicer build quality than the HW offering.

All the best,

Sadam Ahmed


On 8/13/2018 12:51 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
I have to admit, I have never thought of connecting a braille display to an 
Apple TV. I have used a Bluetooth keyboard in the past, because it is so much 
faster to enter necessary passwords etc. That new touch remote that they have 
on the fourth generation and following has not appeal to me. I haven’t figured 
out how to make that as efficient as the old system was, which wasn’t great. 
Obviously, I missing something. I would be curious to know how you are making 
things efficient with your BI 14 on your Apple TV.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 12, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Barry Abbott  wrote:

Hi Mary. I just received the BI14 this week. I have a first generation focus 40 
and a Braille Sense 40 display which was my wife's. I decided to keep the 
Braille Sense as I like keeping : fidential information on it. It has some note 
taking capability and works very well with the computer.

I wanted a small display that I could use with my iPhone and my two Apple 
TVGGS). I could not see myself doing any extensive reading on the 14 cell 
display. But I do like the portability and the joystick when using it with the 
iPhone and Apple TV(S) around the house. I also like being able to connect it 
to several devices at once.

My focus 40 was recently cleaned however some of the cells are still not 
working correctly and I am not willing to put any money into fixing it as I 
already have the Braille Sense.

One thing I notice with the Bi14 is that if you type very fast you sometimes get a 
different letter. When I typed the letters p and e in the word "type" they came 
that as the letter quite. I have found this to be the case on other displays as well.

Barry



Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone


On Aug 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Thank you, Barry. How are you dealing with the short display length? Have you 
used other displays, those from humanware or capability. My do you think of the 
input keys on this compared with other displays you might have used?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 12, 2018, at 6:27 AM, Barry Abbott  wrote:

Hello Mary. What you have to do first is one if using Gmail for example go into 
your google Account and make sure that notes is turned on.

Two on your BIA 14 when you’re in your notes application make sure that you are 
in the Gmail folder when you write the note.

Then if you want to force a sink press space with S. Otherwise your note should 
link up the next time you turn the device on.

The manual did not point out that you are supposed to ensure that the notes are 
turned on within your account.

I hope this helps.

Barryy

Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone


On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Hi all,
I have a humanware bei14 on loan for a week or two. I like the compactness, but 
I just haven’t been able so far to get used to having so few cells. Especially 
with word wrap I guess, where sometimes, several cells are blank because the 
next whole word won’t fit on the line. I also don’t quite understand how the 
notes feature works. I have entered both my Google and Comcast accounts into 
the brailliant device. But I’m not sure what happens next. I 

Re: Apple Pay has over 252M users globally, more popular internationally than US, 9 to 5 Mac

[Sadam Ahmed]

Very jealous.

Apple Pay person to person payments has still not made it to Australia.

I'm hopeful that sometime during the iOS 12 cycle it'll get here.

I have not used cash in a long time since Apple Pay on my Watch and iPhone.

On 8/14/2018 2:33 AM, Kelly Pierce wrote:

What caused me to join the Apple Pay bandwagon was Apple Pay Cash.
Person to person payments are instant and seamless. Apple also has
better terms than competing services. Apple will not charge people if
their transaction fails to process, such as with a bank or system
error. Venmo and Facebook say in their terms of service that they will
charge customers fees if the transaction fails to process at no fault
of the customer.

Kelly



On 8/12/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

No wonder the adoption rate in the US is slower when the majority of credit
cards still are not chip cards. Whenever I have american tourists at my
store which in the summer month is quite often the majority still have to
sign for their transaction and not enter a PIN.
Here almost everybody including most smaller merchants already has
contactless terminals and for transactions under $100 I can simply tap my
credit card on the terminal, if it's a larger transaction I insert the card
just like a debit card and enter my Pin. When Apple Pay came to Canada it
basically worked instantly at all the terminals as long as the bank/card
processor was on board. In the beginning most of the big ones were, by now
even more support Apple Pay and it's rather the exception than the norm that
I can't pay using my iPhone or Apple Watch.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
Taylor
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 6:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple Pay has over 252M users globally, more popular
internationally than US, 9 to 5 Mac

Apple Pay has over 252M users globally, more popular internationally than US
By Chance Miller

Following a positive outlook on Apple's earnings call last week, Loup
Ventures is out today with an in-depth look at the state of Apple Pay.
Currently, Loup Ventures estimates that just 20 percent of global smartphone
users rely on their phone as a wallet, but it expects that number to rise
to
80 percent.
Gene Munster of Loup Ventures estimate that Apple Pay currently has over 252
million users, which comes out to 31 percent of the active iPhone install
base. While Apple itself doesn't break out Apple Pay users, Tim Cook touted
on the company's earnings call last week that there were over one billion
Apple Pay transactions during Q3 2018. Munster predicts 200 percent
transaction growth next year.
Further, Munster estimates that Apple Pay adoption is accelerating quicker
overseas than in the United States - with 85 percent of users being
international, compared to just 15 percent in the United States.
With the addition of new countries, it makes sense that international has
been the key driver to the Apple Pay story. There are currently 24 countries
where Apple Pay is accepted, soon be 25 with the addition of Germany later
this year. We now estimate total Apple Pay user base at about 253 million
(International at 215m, US at 38m).
However, Munster believes that Apple Pay is too small to move Apple's
overall Services business - accounting for just 1-2 percent of Services
revenue. Going forward, however, Munster writes that Apple has several
advantages over competing platforms when it comes to branding the iPhone as
a digital wallet:
Apple has several advantages to brand the iPhone as the premium digital
wallet given its ability to integrate payments into both mobile and desktop
operating systems, use its brand to win accepting retailers and supporting
banks, and reassure users that transactions are secure and private.
Separately, Apple Pay is the only digital wallet with all five payment
pillars: mobile, desktop, in-app, peer to peer, and point of sale.
Apple has recently been increasing its marketing focus on Apple Pay,
including the peer-to-peer payment aspect of Apple Pay Cash. This trend, as
Munster notes, will likely only continue over the coming months.

Original Article at:
https://9to5mac.com/2018/08/09/apple-pay-adoption-loup/


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Re: Bi14 experiences?

[Mary Otten]

Thanks for your comments. I have never seen any of the focus displays. A friend 
of mine has the 40 and loves it. I had a brilliant 32 and like the keyboard and 
the ergonomics. I wish I knew if the focus had similar layout in terms of the 
keys. I’m going to take this to a meeting tomorrow and try to take notes to see 
if I can get used to the mushy keyboard. If not, I will reluctantly not buy it 
and try to see if I can see a focus before laying out that kind of money.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 8:27 AM, Sadam Ahmed  wrote:
> 
> 
> I did recently get the BI14 after waiting almost 6 months after order 
> placement.
> 
> They sure did have lots of issues getting this one out the door.
> 
> The compactness is appreciated, but the keyboard of the device is very mushy, 
> and not at all as pleasant as say, the larger BI40 that I use.
> 
> It is however, much cheaper than the Focus 14 at least here in Australia.
> 
> Maybe it's my imagination but the connection between the display and my phone 
> isn't cutting out as much as it used to.
> 
> Overall not a bad display but I'd go for the Focus 14 if wanting to buy. just 
> a much nicer build quality than the HW offering.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Sadam Ahmed
> 
>> On 8/13/2018 12:51 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I have to admit, I have never thought of connecting a braille display to an 
>> Apple TV. I have used a Bluetooth keyboard in the past, because it is so 
>> much faster to enter necessary passwords etc. That new touch remote that 
>> they have on the fourth generation and following has not appeal to me. I 
>> haven’t figured out how to make that as efficient as the old system was, 
>> which wasn’t great. Obviously, I missing something. I would be curious to 
>> know how you are making things efficient with your BI 14 on your Apple TV.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Barry Abbott  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary. I just received the BI14 this week. I have a first generation 
>>> focus 40 and a Braille Sense 40 display which was my wife's. I decided to 
>>> keep the Braille Sense as I like keeping : fidential information on it. It 
>>> has some note taking capability and works very well with the computer.
>>> 
>>> I wanted a small display that I could use with my iPhone and my two Apple 
>>> TVGGS). I could not see myself doing any extensive reading on the 14 cell 
>>> display. But I do like the portability and the joystick when using it with 
>>> the iPhone and Apple TV(S) around the house. I also like being able to 
>>> connect it to several devices at once.
>>> 
>>> My focus 40 was recently cleaned however some of the cells are still not 
>>> working correctly and I am not willing to put any money into fixing it as I 
>>> already have the Braille Sense.
>>> 
>>> One thing I notice with the Bi14 is that if you type very fast you 
>>> sometimes get a different letter. When I typed the letters p and e in the 
>>> word "type" they came that as the letter quite. I have found this to be the 
>>> case on other displays as well.
>>> 
>>> Barry
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 Thank you, Barry. How are you dealing with the short display length? Have 
 you used other displays, those from humanware or capability. My do you 
 think of the input keys on this compared with other displays you might 
 have used?
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Aug 12, 2018, at 6:27 AM, Barry Abbott  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mary. What you have to do first is one if using Gmail for example 
> go into your google Account and make sure that notes is turned on.
> 
> Two on your BIA 14 when you’re in your notes application make sure that 
> you are in the Gmail folder when you write the note.
> 
> Then if you want to force a sink press space with S. Otherwise your note 
> should link up the next time you turn the device on.
> 
> The manual did not point out that you are supposed to ensure that the 
> notes are turned on within your account.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
> Barryy
> 
> Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have a humanware bei14 on loan for a week or two. I like the 
>> compactness, but I just haven’t been able so far to get used to having 
>> so few cells. Especially with word wrap I guess, where sometimes, 
>> several cells are blank because the next whole word won’t fit on the 
>> line. I also don’t quite understand how the notes feature works. I have 
>> entered both my Google and Comcast accounts into the brailliant device. 
>> But I’m not sure what happens next. I have read the manual. My other 
>> comment is that I preferred the keyboard on the older humanware braille 
>> displays. The typing keys on this one 

Re: Small camera

[Jessica Dail]

Hi,
can you tell about what happened on Friday?



Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 1:48 PM, Judy Pryor  wrote:
> 
> Looking at Amazon here in the UK the Tom Tom is very expensive about 340 
> pounds. The Go Pro is cheaper about 285 pounds for one model it has simple 
> voice commands.   Amazon seem to be plugging a make called Akaso which is 
> much cheaper with a remote control on your wrist. 
> I just want something very simple to use and not too expensive.  I will 
> consult my family when they return from Spain. 
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Judy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 13 Aug 2018, at 16:29, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Can you go into a bit more detail why the Tom Tom camera is in your opinion 
>> better than the Go Pro? Go Pro of course is just a brand, they make quite a 
>> few cameras.
>> One thing to remember is that while this could come in handy, it is an 
>> investment of several hundred Dollars.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> goshawk on horseback
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Small camera
>> Importance: High
>> 
>> I would recommend one of the body warn action cams, such as the go pro, or 
>> tom-tom bandit, which I personally think is better.
>> I am thinking of using one when riding, to catch out some of the dick head 
>> drivers, and the issues we have with traveller stallions and such.
>> 
>> Simon
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Judy Pryor" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 3:47 PM
>> Subject: Small camera
>> 
>> 
>> An unpleasant thing happened to me on Friday evening, and today somethin 
>> really frightened my dog.  I am looking for advice as to whether a small 
>> camera or anything else could help.  I am using an iPhone SE running 10.3.3 
>> with voiceover.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Judy
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Tips to reveal invisible ink

[Jessica Dail]

Hi,
I have no clue.
I tried to send myself a text that had invisible ink, but nothing I did worked.

can anyone offer advice?

thanks,
Jessica


Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 13, 2018, at 1:00 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> OK, the voiceover gesture to reveal invisible ink and iMessages, is double 
> tap and scrub. I’ve successfully done this once. Do you guys have any tips? 
> Is it double tap, lift finger, then scrub? Is it all one gesture? Double tap 
> and scrub! LOL!
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
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Re: Small camera

[Judy Pryor]

Looking at Amazon here in the UK the Tom Tom is very expensive about 340 
pounds. The Go Pro is cheaper about 285 pounds for one model it has simple 
voice commands.   Amazon seem to be plugging a make called Akaso which is much 
cheaper with a remote control on your wrist. 
I just want something very simple to use and not too expensive.  I will consult 
my family when they return from Spain. 

Kind regards

Judy

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> On 13 Aug 2018, at 16:29, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Can you go into a bit more detail why the Tom Tom camera is in your opinion 
> better than the Go Pro? Go Pro of course is just a brand, they make quite a 
> few cameras.
> One thing to remember is that while this could come in handy, it is an 
> investment of several hundred Dollars.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> goshawk on horseback
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:53 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Small camera
> Importance: High
> 
> I would recommend one of the body warn action cams, such as the go pro, or 
> tom-tom bandit, which I personally think is better.
> I am thinking of using one when riding, to catch out some of the dick head 
> drivers, and the issues we have with traveller stallions and such.
> 
> Simon
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Judy Pryor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 3:47 PM
> Subject: Small camera
> 
> 
> An unpleasant thing happened to me on Friday evening, and today somethin 
> really frightened my dog.  I am looking for advice as to whether a small 
> camera or anything else could help.  I am using an iPhone SE running 10.3.3 
> with voiceover.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Judy
> 
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Audio Description On Dish

[Scott Rumery]

Hello,


I would like to hear from anyone who has Dish for their television 
service in regards to being able to access audio description on those 
programs that offer it.



We have been using Dish for almost a year now and for the most part we 
are satisfied with it with one major exception. For some reason any 
programs that are on TBS or TNT that have description we do not get the 
description. There are 3 shows that my wife and I are most interested in 
on these channel. On TBS The Big Bang Theory andSeinfeld(which I have 
just learned is described), and on TNT Law and Order.



I keep trying to get the described versions on these shows but as of now 
I have never been able to get the described versions of these shows. 
What is strange is that on any other channel where there is a show with 
audio description it works just fine.



I have talked several times to Dish about this but as of yet they have 
not fixed this for us.



So my question to the group is: is there anyone on the list that has 
Dish that is able to get audio description to work on either TBS or TNT?



Thank You,



Scott

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Tips to reveal invisible ink

[Traci Duncan]

OK, the voiceover gesture to reveal invisible ink and iMessages, is double tap 
and scrub. I’ve successfully done this once. Do you guys have any tips? Is it 
double tap, lift finger, then scrub? Is it all one gesture? Double tap and 
scrub! LOL!

Thank you,
Traci

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Re: Apple Pay has over 252M users globally, more popular internationally than US, 9 to 5 Mac

[Kelly Pierce]

What caused me to join the Apple Pay bandwagon was Apple Pay Cash.
Person to person payments are instant and seamless. Apple also has
better terms than competing services. Apple will not charge people if
their transaction fails to process, such as with a bank or system
error. Venmo and Facebook say in their terms of service that they will
charge customers fees if the transaction fails to process at no fault
of the customer.

Kelly



On 8/12/18, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> No wonder the adoption rate in the US is slower when the majority of credit
> cards still are not chip cards. Whenever I have american tourists at my
> store which in the summer month is quite often the majority still have to
> sign for their transaction and not enter a PIN.
> Here almost everybody including most smaller merchants already has
> contactless terminals and for transactions under $100 I can simply tap my
> credit card on the terminal, if it's a larger transaction I insert the card
> just like a debit card and enter my Pin. When Apple Pay came to Canada it
> basically worked instantly at all the terminals as long as the bank/card
> processor was on board. In the beginning most of the big ones were, by now
> even more support Apple Pay and it's rather the exception than the norm that
> I can't pay using my iPhone or Apple Watch.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M.
> Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 6:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple Pay has over 252M users globally, more popular
> internationally than US, 9 to 5 Mac
>
> Apple Pay has over 252M users globally, more popular internationally than US
> By Chance Miller
>
> Following a positive outlook on Apple's earnings call last week, Loup
> Ventures is out today with an in-depth look at the state of Apple Pay.
> Currently, Loup Ventures estimates that just 20 percent of global smartphone
> users rely on their phone as a wallet, but it expects that number to rise
> to
> 80 percent.
> Gene Munster of Loup Ventures estimate that Apple Pay currently has over 252
> million users, which comes out to 31 percent of the active iPhone install
> base. While Apple itself doesn't break out Apple Pay users, Tim Cook touted
> on the company's earnings call last week that there were over one billion
> Apple Pay transactions during Q3 2018. Munster predicts 200 percent
> transaction growth next year.
> Further, Munster estimates that Apple Pay adoption is accelerating quicker
> overseas than in the United States - with 85 percent of users being
> international, compared to just 15 percent in the United States.
> With the addition of new countries, it makes sense that international has
> been the key driver to the Apple Pay story. There are currently 24 countries
> where Apple Pay is accepted, soon be 25 with the addition of Germany later
> this year. We now estimate total Apple Pay user base at about 253 million
> (International at 215m, US at 38m).
> However, Munster believes that Apple Pay is too small to move Apple's
> overall Services business - accounting for just 1-2 percent of Services
> revenue. Going forward, however, Munster writes that Apple has several
> advantages over competing platforms when it comes to branding the iPhone as
> a digital wallet:
> Apple has several advantages to brand the iPhone as the premium digital
> wallet given its ability to integrate payments into both mobile and desktop
> operating systems, use its brand to win accepting retailers and supporting
> banks, and reassure users that transactions are secure and private.
> Separately, Apple Pay is the only digital wallet with all five payment
> pillars: mobile, desktop, in-app, peer to peer, and point of sale.
> Apple has recently been increasing its marketing focus on Apple Pay,
> including the peer-to-peer payment aspect of Apple Pay Cash. This trend, as
> Munster notes, will likely only continue over the coming months.
>
> Original Article at:
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RE: Small camera

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Can you go into a bit more detail why the Tom Tom camera is in your opinion 
better than the Go Pro? Go Pro of course is just a brand, they make quite a few 
cameras.
One thing to remember is that while this could come in handy, it is an 
investment of several hundred Dollars.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of goshawk 
on horseback
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Small camera
Importance: High

I would recommend one of the body warn action cams, such as the go pro, or 
tom-tom bandit, which I personally think is better.
I am thinking of using one when riding, to catch out some of the dick head 
drivers, and the issues we have with traveller stallions and such.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Judy Pryor" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 3:47 PM
Subject: Small camera


An unpleasant thing happened to me on Friday evening, and today somethin 
really frightened my dog.  I am looking for advice as to whether a small 
camera or anything else could help.  I am using an iPhone SE running 10.3.3 
with voiceover.

Regards

Judy

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Re: Bi14 experiences?

[Sadam Ahmed]

I did recently get the BI14 after waiting almost 6 months after order 
placement.


They sure did have lots of issues getting this one out the door.

The compactness is appreciated, but the keyboard of the device is very 
mushy, and not at all as pleasant as say, the larger BI40 that I use.


It is however, much cheaper than the Focus 14 at least here in Australia.

Maybe it's my imagination but the connection between the display and my 
phone isn't cutting out as much as it used to.


Overall not a bad display but I'd go for the Focus 14 if wanting to buy. 
just a much nicer build quality than the HW offering.


All the best,

Sadam Ahmed

On 8/13/2018 12:51 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I have to admit, I have never thought of connecting a braille display to an 
Apple TV. I have used a Bluetooth keyboard in the past, because it is so much 
faster to enter necessary passwords etc. That new touch remote that they have 
on the fourth generation and following has not appeal to me. I haven’t figured 
out how to make that as efficient as the old system was, which wasn’t great. 
Obviously, I missing something. I would be curious to know how you are making 
things efficient with your BI 14 on your Apple TV.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 12, 2018, at 5:09 PM, Barry Abbott  wrote:

Hi Mary. I just received the BI14 this week. I have a first generation focus 40 
and a Braille Sense 40 display which was my wife's. I decided to keep the 
Braille Sense as I like keeping : fidential information on it. It has some note 
taking capability and works very well with the computer.

I wanted a small display that I could use with my iPhone and my two Apple 
TVGGS). I could not see myself doing any extensive reading on the 14 cell 
display. But I do like the portability and the joystick when using it with the 
iPhone and Apple TV(S) around the house. I also like being able to connect it 
to several devices at once.

My focus 40 was recently cleaned however some of the cells are still not 
working correctly and I am not willing to put any money into fixing it as I 
already have the Braille Sense.

One thing I notice with the Bi14 is that if you type very fast you sometimes get a 
different letter. When I typed the letters p and e in the word "type" they came 
that as the letter quite. I have found this to be the case on other displays as well.

Barry



Sent from Barry Abbott’s iPhone


On Aug 12, 2018, at 3:27 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Thank you, Barry. How are you dealing with the short display length? Have you 
used other displays, those from humanware or capability. My do you think of the 
input keys on this compared with other displays you might have used?
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 12, 2018, at 6:27 AM, Barry Abbott  wrote:

Hello Mary. What you have to do first is one if using Gmail for example go into 
your google Account and make sure that notes is turned on.

Two on your BIA 14 when you’re in your notes application make sure that you are 
in the Gmail folder when you write the note.

Then if you want to force a sink press space with S. Otherwise your note should 
link up the next time you turn the device on.

The manual did not point out that you are supposed to ensure that the notes are 
turned on within your account.

I hope this helps.

Barryy

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On Aug 11, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Hi all,
I have a humanware bei14 on loan for a week or two. I like the compactness, but 
I just haven’t been able so far to get used to having so few cells. Especially 
with word wrap I guess, where sometimes, several cells are blank because the 
next whole word won’t fit on the line. I also don’t quite understand how the 
notes feature works. I have entered both my Google and Comcast accounts into 
the brailliant device. But I’m not sure what happens next. I have read the 
manual. My other comment is that I preferred the keyboard on the older 
humanware braille displays. The typing keys on this one are to my way of 
thinking, mushy. I’m thinking I probably won’t buy it, but I do want to give it 
a fair chance. I like the price, and I like the idea of having notetaking 
ability which I could, or not, sync up with my phone. But I’m just not getting 
the mechanics of it I guess.
Mary


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Re: Small camera

[goshawk on horseback]

I would recommend one of the body warn action cams, such as the go pro, or 
tom-tom bandit, which I personally think is better.
I am thinking of using one when riding, to catch out some of the dick head 
drivers, and the issues we have with traveller stallions and such.

Simon


- Original Message - 
From: "Judy Pryor" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 3:47 PM
Subject: Small camera


An unpleasant thing happened to me on Friday evening, and today somethin 
really frightened my dog.  I am looking for advice as to whether a small 
camera or anything else could help.  I am using an iPhone SE running 10.3.3 
with voiceover.

Regards

Judy

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Small camera

[Judy Pryor]

An unpleasant thing happened to me on Friday evening, and today somethin really 
frightened my dog.  I am looking for advice as to whether a small camera or 
anything else could help.  I am using an iPhone SE running 10.3.3 with 
voiceover.

Regards

Judy

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Re: apple id verification

[Deidre Muccio]

I get the same message. I think it has to do with iCloud which I have turned 
off. And yet it's on for mail and other sorts of things. I can go to the App 
Store and I'm logged in there so that's not the issue. It is annoying. I 
noticed that a few things like mail were switched on still in the iCloud 
setting and maybe all of those have to be turned off In order to make it stop 
doing this. It also seem to have coincided with its loading on yet another 
update which I have not installed.

Deidre


> On Aug 12, 2018, at 8:42 PM, Jewel  wrote:
> 
> Kay!  I don't have identification in my settings, but for the last couple, or 
> so, of weeks, I have been getting a version of that as well.  In my case, it 
> is, mostly, when I go to play Seven Little Words, and I am given the option 
> to cancel, which, of course, I do.
>  
>   Jewel
>  
> From: Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 2:36 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: apple id verification
> 
> HI all,
> As of the last week my phone has been bugging me about needing an apple ID 
> verification for, and then it gives my email address.  Is this necessary and 
> why all of a sudden is this coming up?  I have just been hitting the not now 
> button, but wondered if someone might know what is up with this?
>  
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Re: Learning Ally

[Deidre Muccio]

I agree that since they became Learning Ally accessibility became an issue. 
Seems like the website is not stable if that's even conceivable. Sometime i hit 
on a button such as close dictionary and it never works.  I did get to the 
opening page which allowed me to get to my profile which then allowed me to 
read a book story by story. So in this case no the structure on these 
collections of the best American short stories is never the issue 
I had to close the app in   order to get it to come up that first opening page 
or I could then get two other books I might want to read. I find this app 
completely non-intuitive. I don't know why they have to make it not work. Even 
the old old Learning Ally beats the new Learning Ally. I've called them 
numerous times over the years but things don't seem to get much better. It's a 
shame because their book selection in certain areas offers things that barred 
doesn't. 

Deidre


> On Aug 12, 2018, at 10:14 PM, 'Maria Reyes' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've always use Bookshare for reading books. Learning Ally is mainly for 
> textbooks. When I was using the app, I have noticed places where it could be 
> improved.
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 10:08 PM, Kwork  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree. I think their focus is more on the lysdexic rather than the blind. 
>> I've felt that their desktop apps have become less accessible as well over 
>> the years.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "TaraPrakash" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 6:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: Learning Ally
>> 
>> 
>> Ever since  they remove the word blind from the name, their commitment to 
>> accessibility has been suspect.
>> I also wonder if the problem is with the structure of the book and other 
>> books offer more navigation options?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2018, at 9:22 PM, Deidre Muccio  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello people,
>>> I am totally baffled by the Learning Ally application. I don't seem to 
>>> have any control over whether I can skip by Page or story for instance in 
>>> a collection of short stories. I did find a button and the audio menu 
>>> which shifts me into a different view, one that's preferable but once 
>>> there I still can't find a way to get back to my bookshelf. This is not it 
>>> all the way it was structured quite sometime ago so I'm not sure what I'm 
>>> missing here. I just updated the app today and it still is not offering me 
>>> very many options. Is there a instructional file so that I can figure out 
>>> how best to use this app? Deidre
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Re: Introducing Astreos: universal access to the cosmos

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

yuma,
Your app sounds absolutely gorgeous! your presentation of it was absolutely 
excellent! I shall try and download the beta version a little later today. I 
think, we are only just beginning to explore the possibilities 3-D sound 
skates. thanks for creating something so beautiful and immersive.

from Sandy, in Ireland.

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 12 Aug 2018, at 20:15, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> A quick introduction of myself.
> 
> I am a blind software engineer, studying mahematics at UQ in Brisbane, 
> Australia.
> 
> I am also a passionate sci-fi, space, physics and astronomy fan. I am not 
> partially sighted, I am stone cold blind. But I wasn't always like that. I 
> still remember summer nights when the sky was clear enough to see the Milky 
> Way, the planets through the lens of a telescope, and the first images of 
> constellations with their beautiful nebulas came out.
> 
> So I decided to write an app that allows me, blind, to find the exact 
> position of all these objects in the sky using 2 sensory dimensions, with an 
> attention to those who are partially sighted too, wherever I am located on 
> earth. if I look for the sun, the phone will orient me to its exact location.
> 
> Astreos is the concatenation of Astrius, god of dusk, and Eos, goddess of 
> dawn. 
> 
> As the app is a complete 6 degree of freedom experience to find planets, 
> moons, manmade satellites and fragments, comets, asteroids, near earth 
> objects, constellations, major stars and find information about them all, I 
> thought it appropriate to put both gods of the sky in the same name.
> 
> This app uses connections to NASA's APIs, including the Horizons system which 
> follows in mission critical precision all objects within the confines of the 
> solar system, and updates itself automatically for the more than 118000 stars 
> which are visible to the naked eye, 22 other objects, including far away 
> galaxies, their names, categories, how they look, what chemical elements or 
> spectrum they have, super novas, and much more, through the largest 
> astronomical database, the Vizier catalogue.
> 
> The app is still in beta and I and my team are working hard to put more and 
> more content to the app, but more importantly, finding new ways to allow 
> those of us who are blind to access such information, and really have a sense 
> of where all of this is in the sky.
> 
> My personal experience for this has been to better understand where a lot of 
> stars remain almost static, how some constellations are named and why, when 
> they apear in the sky at what time, using my exact location. I spend a lot of 
> time reflecting on how to make this magic better using either visual, sound, 
> touch or voice.
> 
> You can listen to the frequencies coming out of every planet, and get a 3D 
> audio experience of major stars in the 89 constellations interpreted as 
> chimes, with higher pitches representing newborn stars, and clangy metallic 
> chimes those older stars which are cooling down. Novas are thunder rolls 
> coursing through the 3D space, and i am thinking of other ways to represent 
> those stars and their properties.
> 
> 
> The official video will be coming out soon, but here's a quick demo audio of 
> me playing around with it:
> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yj184tgvzr481p8/Input%20Device%20Recording%2020180812%200638.mp3?dl=0
>> 
> 
> 
> If you are interested in testing the beta, I invite you to leave me your 
> email at the following link: (don't expect it to be completely stable yet but 
> it works fine on devices such as iPads and iPhones down to the 6 without 
> issues).
> 
> https://www.oseyeris.com/contacts
> 
> 
> Since this is a beta, I am interested in getting your feedback, ideas and 
> requests, and I will do my best to put them in the app.
> 
> have a great week y'all,
> 
> Yuma Antoine Decaux
> OSS (Operating System Stack)
> Oseyeris
> www.oseyeris.com
> Skype: Shainobi1 
> twitter: @triple7
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Testing

['Shawn Krasniuk' via VIPhone]

This is a test to see if my subscription to this list is still active as I 
haven't been receiving any emails in a long time.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
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Re: Two Questions about E-Mail on the Phone

[Michael Feir]

You already got the right answer for your second question. Here's some help
with your first one about where archived messages are. Don't worry. You
haven't lost them. What happens is that they're taken out of the primary
inbox. You can stil find them by searching for something in their address
or subject using the search facilities. Also, if you go into "all mail"
from the navigation menu, you will be able to access all of the messages
including archived ones. The primary inbox focusses on messages you have
received and not dealt with yet. Don't forget to look in that spam folder
every so often. Gmail has one of the best spam filters I've ever come
acrosss but it occasionally gets one that isn't spam.

I've really come to prefer Gmail and the Gmail app over the regular mail
app included in iOS. It just takes a bit of getting used to as Gmail has
its own philosophy about how email should be handled and organised. Hope
that helps you manage things.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 12:01 AM 'Simon W' via VIPhone <
viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> when you are at the message area double tap and make sure it says start of
> message.
>
> *From:* Susie Stageberg 
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2018 11:51 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Two Questions about E-Mail on the Phone
>
>
> Hello all.
>
>
>
> I have had some success accessing my gmail account on the phone and find
> it pretty easy to do. Two things, though:
>
>
>
> One of the options when you have a message selected it to archive it. I
> have done so with a few messages I wanted to look at more carefully later,
> but when I went back to find the archive, I couldn’t find a folder where it
> put those archived messages. Where is it?
>
>
>
> Second, how do I make sure that my message body text comes before the
> “sent from my iPhone” signature? It looks to me like the iPhone message is
> coming first, then my text, without a space or anything. Is this right, and
> is there a way to fix it?
>
>
>
> As always, thanks to all the smart people on this list who are so willing
> to help a rookie.
>
>
>
> Susie
>
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Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

   okay, the Black Webb Keyboard!!! What model do you have??  I want to 
make sure I order the one you have.  Thanks again.  Andy and Shubert


-Original Message- 
From: Arlene

Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Carolyn, just keep in mind when the lid is down it will be a bit thicker,
and you don't have to remove the lid unless you want too. It's kind of nice
without the lid being on. We still have 2 of the black web keyboards,  that
still have the lid on, and one of those is mine, and the third of this same
kind of keyboard that has the lid off.  I think you'll like it, it's so
sturdy and confortable to type on. It's good either way, with the lid on or
off.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


It sounds really good to me, and $20? I got out three slates and held them
together. I like the idea that the f and j are marked too. So, Black and
Webb, I'll remember.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arlene
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Andy, you can tell the keys on this keyboard. You could feel the inditations
between the keys, which is a bit smaller and narrower inditation than on our
computer keyboards which I've noticed since I'm typing on my computer's
keyboard now. So you could easily tell the letters apart on this black webb
bluetooth keyboard, the inditations between the keys are just a bit smaller
and narrower and closer compared to the inditations and separate ness of the
keys on our computer keyboards and the f and j keys are clearly marked and
easy to feel and locate. What you made me think of, is you know how on some
of the button phones you almost can't tell the difference  between the keys
on the number pad, due to the inditations between the keys being really
faint? This keyboard's inditation isn't faint like that, you would be able
to feel the inditation that separateness of the keys. This keyboard has a
hinged cover/lid, that when open you could place an ipad mini in the lid ,
in fact it has a round cut out for the camera, headphones, power, up down
volume and speaker. These cut outs are very neat and non intrusive. We have
more than one of these keyboards, and as we did with one of them, if you
didn't want the lid on there  with a  tiny screw driver you could remove the
2 tiny screws and the lid will come off. Actually we have more than one of
these keyboards, we have one of these keyboards with the lid on and the
other one with the lid off, and we like to use them either way. Placing the
ipad in the cover  doesn't seem that sturdy even though this keyboard was
designed to use with an ipad. The nice thing about having the ipad in the
lid is that you can fold it all up together. We're writing this message
together. Wayne was thinking about figuring out some ways to have the ipad
placed in the lid to be more secure than it seems to be. If you were really
careful and you were using an ipad in the lid it would probably be fine. Of
course this will work with an ipad without placing it in the lid.In spite of
that we really like using our se phones with this keyboard. When the
keyboard is open, it's pretty think but really sturdy, the thickness is like
the thickness of holding 2 pocket slates pus half the thickness of a 3rd
slate so in other words the thickness of the keyboard is just a little less
than the thickness of 3 slates held together. The keyboard is so sturdy,
either a thick book board or board slate kind of sturdy, as in even a thick
piece of wood. It's so strong for something this thin it won't budge around
as you're typing. No flimsiness here. If you have any other questions just
ask.

ARlene


- Original Message - 
From: Andrew J. LaPointe 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

   Hi, I just read this message and want to ask, are these keyboards easy
to find the keys?  My wife has a keyboard and I noticed that it is quite
flat.  I am used to my computer keyboard which the keys aresepareted enough
to find each other.  Thanks Andy and Shubert

From: Kwork 
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Arlene, thanks much. When we looked at WalMart out here, they didn't have
any in stock that we could find. We ended up ordering the Logitech K380
Multi-Device Bluetooth Keyboard from Amazon for $27 with Prime.
Travis
- Original Message - 
From: Arlene 

To: 

Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

   thank you so very much!!! I will look into the Black Webb keyboard 
soon as I think I would do better typing notes, FB, and other things that 
Voice over seems to give me a problem.  Andy and Shubert


-Original Message- 
From: Arlene

Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

That's understandable.
- Original Message - 
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 8:08 PM
Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


It does sound good. It may be a while before I get to Wal-Mart and can check
one out.

Best regards,

Carolyn


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 7:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Carolyn, just keep in mind when the lid is down it will be a bit thicker,
and you don't have to remove the lid unless you want too. It's kind of nice
without the lid being on. We still have 2 of the black web keyboards,  that
still have the lid on, and one of those is mine, and the third of this same
kind of keyboard that has the lid off.  I think you'll like it, it's so
sturdy and confortable to type on. It's good either way, with the lid on or
off.
- Original Message -
From: "Carolyn Arnold" <4carol...@windstream.net>
To: 
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: bluetooth keyboard recommendation


It sounds really good to me, and $20? I got out three slates and held them
together. I like the idea that the f and j are marked too. So, Black and
Webb, I'll remember.

Best regards,

Carolyn

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Arlene
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

Andy, you can tell the keys on this keyboard. You could feel the inditations
between the keys, which is a bit smaller and narrower inditation than on our
computer keyboards which I've noticed since I'm typing on my computer's
keyboard now. So you could easily tell the letters apart on this black webb
bluetooth keyboard, the inditations between the keys are just a bit smaller
and narrower and closer compared to the inditations and separate ness of the
keys on our computer keyboards and the f and j keys are clearly marked and
easy to feel and locate. What you made me think of, is you know how on some
of the button phones you almost can't tell the difference  between the keys
on the number pad, due to the inditations between the keys being really
faint? This keyboard's inditation isn't faint like that, you would be able
to feel the inditation that separateness of the keys. This keyboard has a
hinged cover/lid, that when open you could place an ipad mini in the lid ,
in fact it has a round cut out for the camera, headphones, power, up down
volume and speaker. These cut outs are very neat and non intrusive. We have
more than one of these keyboards, and as we did with one of them, if you
didn't want the lid on there  with a  tiny screw driver you could remove the
2 tiny screws and the lid will come off. Actually we have more than one of
these keyboards, we have one of these keyboards with the lid on and the
other one with the lid off, and we like to use them either way. Placing the
ipad in the cover  doesn't seem that sturdy even though this keyboard was
designed to use with an ipad. The nice thing about having the ipad in the
lid is that you can fold it all up together. We're writing this message
together. Wayne was thinking about figuring out some ways to have the ipad
placed in the lid to be more secure than it seems to be. If you were really
careful and you were using an ipad in the lid it would probably be fine. Of
course this will work with an ipad without placing it in the lid.In spite of
that we really like using our se phones with this keyboard. When the
keyboard is open, it's pretty think but really sturdy, the thickness is like
the thickness of holding 2 pocket slates pus half the thickness of a 3rd
slate so in other words the thickness of the keyboard is just a little less
than the thickness of 3 slates held together. The keyboard is so sturdy,
either a thick book board or board slate kind of sturdy, as in even a thick
piece of wood. It's so strong for something this thin it won't budge around
as you're typing. No flimsiness here. If you have any other questions just
ask.

ARlene


- Original Message -
From: Andrew J. LaPointe 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: bluetooth keyboard recommendation

   Hi, I just read this message and want to ask, are these keyboards easy
to find the keys?  My wife has a keyboard and I noticed that it is quite
flat.  I am used to my