Personal Power. The iOS Edition, Free Book

[Mike B.]

Hi all,

Found this on Top Tech Tidbits and thought some of you list members might 
like to get it as well.

Personal Power. The iOS Edition:  Every once in a while, we find an item 
showing both generosity and competence to high degrees. Michael Feir has 
written a 250,000-word, over 1,200-page
book on using and enjoying the iPhone, iPad, and iPod for personal use, and 
it's free in RTF, Word, EPUB and PDF formats:
If the link below doesn't work, try the Dropbox  link below that.

https://bit.ly/2VQbOJn

1. Personal Power. The iOS Edition:  Every once in a while, we find an item 
showing both generosity and competence to high degrees. Michael Feir has 
written a 250,000-word, over 1,200-page
book on using and enjoying the iPhone, iPad, and iPod for personal use, and 
it's free in RTF, Word, EPUB and PDF formats:
https://bit.ly/2VQbOJn

Dropbox link:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/soubx9x41xjsxo8/AAC0K5acw10d45Ib6g6ItWPLa?dl=1


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
 *My body has absorbed so much soap and disinfectant lately that when I pee 
it cleans the toilet.

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RE: accessible apps list for android

[Jim Fettgather]

Now really, I despise Android just as much as the next guy or gal, but there is 
a list for accessible Android apps,

www.inclusiveandroid.com 

It is not kept up to date very well, but it is there, just to be fair..

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible apps list for android

 

There isn’t one.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:16 PM
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
Subject: accessible apps list for android

 

Hi,

 

I know this isn't about apple stuff but I can't seem to find a list like the 
applevis site but for android apps.

 

does anyone know of such a thing?

 

Thanks.

 

  

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Setting up a new iPhone SE 2020 step by step

[Alan Lemly]

Hi List,

 

I decided to make detailed notes of the steps involved in setting up a new
iPhone mainly for my own benefit since I forget what is involved as I only
do this every couple of years. In my case, I bought this SE 2020 directly
from the Apple Store app with no SIM card included since I have a prepaid
Verizon plan and could not specify my carrier successfully when ordering.
The below numbered list will be very detailed since I'd rather have too much
information than not enough. Any settings provided came from my iPhone 8
running iOS 13.4.1.

 

   1.Opened iTunes on my Windows 7 computer, verified I was running
its latest version of 12.10.6, connected my iPhone 8 using the lightning
cable, and did an encrypted backup.

   2.Did an iCloud backup by going to Settings - Alan Lemly - Apple
ID - iCloud - iTunes and App Store, iCloud, iCloud backup, and executing
Backup now.

   3.I read a lot of books using the BARD Mobile app and since any
books downloaded to an iPhone are not transferred to a new restored iPhone,
I made a list in an Excel file of the downloaded books I wanted to
re-download to my new iPhone and the location of any current reading
position in those books.

   4.I plugged my lightning cable connected to my computer to the
new phone and the Apple logo appeared on the screen. The white screen
appeared a few seconds later with the cycling languages appearing and I
pressed the home button 3 times quickly to turn on Voiceover. Although I was
hearing clicks as I swiped, Voiceover did not start talking until a number
of seconds later. In fact, I pressed the home button 3 times again because I
wasn't sure I had turned Voiceover on. This turned Voiceover off and I had
to press the home button 3 times again to turn it back on and I heard
Voiceover say hello and when I swiped once, Voiceover said press home to
open.

   5.I pressed home and Voiceover said Setup and put me in a list of
language buttons with English at the top. I double tapped on English.

   6.The screen which opened said Select your country or region
heading. I double tapped on the United States button which was the first in
the list.

   7.The screen which opened said Quick start heading Bring your
current iPhone or iPad near this iPhone to sign in and set up. The older
iPhone must be using iOS 11 or later with Bluetooth turned on. There was a
button at the end to Set up manually.

   8.A screen opened on my old iPhone to set up a new iPhone using
my apple ID with a button to continue. A screen appeared to position some
pattern in a circle but I double tapped the Authenticate manually button
instead.

   9.I was prompted to input the 6 digit authentication code
displayed on my new iPhone using the number pad screen on my old iPhone. My
new iPhone then prompted me to enter my passcode of my old iPhone. I had to
double tap each number on the on screen number pad on my new iPhone since
touch typing was not turned on.

10.I was prompted to set up touch ID on the new iPhone which I did.

11.Several screens were presented asking me to place my finger and
lift my finger which I did. I was then taken to a screen which said Adjust
your grip and it said keep going to capture the edges of your grip. I double
tapped a Continue button at the bottom of this screen.

12.I was then prompted to again place and lift my finger until I got
the Complete message. Touch ID is ready was spoken and I then executed the
Continue button at the bottom of that screen.

13.The next screen said Transfer your data heading. The explanation
said you can directly transfer your data during setup or finish downloading
it later. Buttons on this screen were Transfer from iPhone, Download from
iCloud, or other options. The Transfer from iPhone said the time to transfer
was about 1 hour. The download from iCloud said I could start using my
iPhone in about 15 minutes and my data would download later over wifi. I
executed the Transfer from iPhone button.

14.I was taken to a Terms and conditions screen on the new iPhone
where I double tapped an Agree button in the bottom right corner.

15.I was taken to a Settings from other iPhone heading screen where
it listed some settings about allowing Siri to use voice input, contacts,
etc. and allowing maps to use my location. I executed the Continue button at
the bottom of this screen without customizing any settings.

16.I was taken to a Keep your iPhone up to date heading screen which
was basically a commercial for updating iOS automatically. At the bottom of
this screen was a Continue button followed by an Install updates manually
button. I chose the Install updates manually button.

17.I was then taken to a screen to Add cards to Apple Pay. Instead
of executing the Continue button, I chose to Set up later in Wallet which
was a button that followed the Continue button.

18.The next 

Re: App updates with new SE

[Richard Turner]

I never use cellular for app updates, so I have no clue.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 2:02 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:


Ichard,

Is that different between mobile data and wifi

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2020 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: App updates with new SE

Just one more note about the new iPhone SE.
It downloads updates to apps amazingly fast.
App updates that could take a couple minutes, now take seconds.

Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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RE: accessible apps list for android

[chaltain]

Dan, You might want to take a look at Inclusive Android at 
https://www.inclusiveandroid.com/ It might not be exactly what you’re looking 
for, but take it for a spin to see. The other thing I’d recommend is joining a 
group like ANATAD on Google Groups.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: accessible apps list for android

 

There isn’t one.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:16 PM
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: accessible apps list for android

 

Hi,

 

I know this isn't about apple stuff but I can't seem to find a list like the 
applevis site but for android apps.

 

does anyone know of such a thing?

 

Thanks.

 

  

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RE: accessible apps list for android

[Dennis Long]

There isn’t one.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dan
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:16 PM
To: 'cwc' via VIPhone 
Subject: accessible apps list for android

 

Hi,

 

I know this isn't about apple stuff but I can't seem to find a list like the 
applevis site but for android apps.

 

does anyone know of such a thing?

 

Thanks.

 

  

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RE: Looking for a splitter to use usb head phones and charge phone

[Simon A Fogarty]

Does that work for my Bluetooth bose headphones that charge via usb

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2020 8:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Looking for a splitter to use usb head phones and charge phone

Richard,

Well, it won't be the first or last time I make an ass of myself by assuming. 
If there exists an adapter that will let one use a set of type A full-sized USB 
plug headphones on a lightning adapter iDevice, I'd love to hear about it. If 
someone replies, please provide a model name and link.

Alan Lemly

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 2:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Looking for a splitter to use usb head phones and charge phone

I wondered if that is what you thought.
You know what they say about assuming, grin.

NO worries.  I have one on order to use with the SE so I can charge and use the 
lightning earphones.
I don’t have any USB headphones anyway, but Dacia might have some for her 
computer that she was hoping would work with the iPhone with an adapter.



Richard
"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Alan 
Lemly
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 12:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Looking for a splitter to use usb head phones and charge phone

Richard,

My apologies. The Belkin Rockstar splitter I posted about works with lightning 
adapter earphones and a lightning adapter cable. I assumed Dacia meant 
lightning adapter when she said USB since an iPhone doesn't have any USB ports 
on it.

Alan Lemly

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 1:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a splitter to use usb head phones and charge phone

That will work with USB headphones?
Good to know.

Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 29, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dacia,

I'd recommend the Belkin Lightning Audio + Charge Rockstar adapter which can be 
purchased directly from the Apple Store for
$39.95. I realize this isn't inexpensive and I'm sure other adapters can be 
found for less but I have the Belkin and it works well when I'm using my wired 
earpods and charging my iPhone 8 and also allows access with the volume up and 
down buttons and the remote control button on the earpods when I'm listening to 
books and using the Belking Rockstar. Here is the link to it at Apple:

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Dacia Luck
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:39 AM
To: viphone
Subject: Looking for a splitter to use usb head phones and charge phone

Hi, I am looking for links to A splitter that will allow me to use my 
headphones and charge my iPhone at the same time. I am fine using the USB 
headphones my iPhone comes with, but I want to be able to listen to some thing 
while I charge my phone. Are there any that are specifically approved by Apple?
Dacia

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: App updates with new SE

[Simon A Fogarty]

Ichard,

Is that different between mobile data and wifi

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2020 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: App updates with new SE

Just one more note about the new iPhone SE.
It downloads updates to apps amazingly fast.
App updates that could take a couple minutes, now take seconds.

Richard
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Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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RE: Impressions SE2020

[Simon A Fogarty]

The price will surely help also.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, 30 April 2020 10:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Impressions SE2020

I think the sales of this phone may help to determine if Apple keeps offering 
new, smaller phones.  Smaller width wise anyway.
Time will tell.



Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 3:18 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Impressions SE2020

Hi, I decided to get an SE2020 because it is a smaller phone and would fit my 
smaller hands. I received it on Monday. These are my observations so far. 

The setup was wonderful and very easy. I put the two phones together when it 
was asked if I wanted to transfer data from my old phone. It was perfect except 
I had to download an update which at the end put me back in the hello screen. I 
could not find the English hello so I called Apple Accessibility and they told 
me to shut off my phone and bring it back up. When I did so it asked for my pin 
and when I had put it in I again was asked for my apple ID password. Once typed 
in there was the whole screen with my folders and apps, some loading. 

The fingerprint and home button has been a challenge to remember as I had 
gotten used to the haptic swipe. However, the fingerprint is really snappy and 
quick. The loading of pages and opening of apps is also snappy. Of course the 
phone is much easier for me to hold. At the moment I don't have a case, but 
that is on its way. I am hoping it will not make the phone too much bigger. 

All in all, this has been a great change for me. It looks very much like Apple 
will not go back to the smaller phones so it will be my phone for as long as 
possible before I need to get a new one which will likely be much bigger.


Reggie Alvarado 

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accessible apps list for android

[Dan]

  
  
Hi,

  
I know this isn't about apple stuff but I can't seem to find
a list like the applevis site but for android apps.

  
does anyone know of such a thing?

  
Thanks.

  
  

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Re: Catalina mail app too verbose

[Ronald van Rhijn]

Hello Ian,

Did you perhaps use the classic view?  This was possible in previous OS X 
versions, but looks like its gone in Catalina.
I didn't use the classic mode anyway, so I don’t know when it was removed 
exactly (if this is the case of course).

hth,
Ronald

> Op 30 apr. 2020, om 19:51 heeft Ian Harrison  het 
> volgende geschreven:
> 
> Hi all,
> having upgraded to Catalina I now find that voiceover reads out every detail 
> of email headings in the mailbox. That is the from, subject, date and time 
> and mailbox. I used to be able just to scroll down by subject or date without 
> hearing the rest. Is there any way around this extra noise?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> Ian
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Catalina mail app too verbose

[Ian Harrison]

Hi all,
having upgraded to Catalina I now find that voiceover reads out every detail of 
email headings in the mailbox. That is the from, subject, date and time and 
mailbox. I used to be able just to scroll down by subject or date without 
hearing the rest. Is there any way around this extra noise?

Thanks in advance
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RE: Mail

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

In addition to the below tricks, I also find that leaving one unread message at 
the top of the list will sometimes work.  If I delete messages below the top 
unread one, it will often, but not always, keep the focus in the right place.

Pam



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Dave 
Clement [dclem...@mymts.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 12:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

Hello,

Yes, this has been a very annoying bug throughout IOS 13. I too have reported 
it and hope it gets fixed. As to a workaround of sorts, I try one of these two 
things to help minimize the problem. Neither works consistantly but they can 
save a lot of swiping around.

1. Touching part way down. After deleting an email and ending up at the top of 
the screen, rather than swiping right to get back into the in-box list I just 
touch the screen part way down. While this usually doesn't get me back to the 
correct location in the list, it does get me close and saves a lot of swiping. 
I normally work with a bluetooth keyboard and find this touch method still 
saves a lot of extra steps. With a bluetooth keyboard, you can also just hold 
down the right arrow key and let it repeat. This quickly runs down the items in 
the in-box but I still prefer the touch approach.

2. Working backward. If I have a lot of unread emails in the in-box, I choose 
one part way down the list to open. On closing it, it usually becomes the top 
one on the in-box list. Instead of deleting it, I swipe back once to see the 
prior unread emailand I work on that one. Essentially I save all of my deletes 
until I have finished working on the unreads. Then, I double click the edit 
button, select all the emails I want to delete, find the delete or trash button 
at the bottom of the screen, and double tap. I receive a lot of email and I use 
a related technique to initially cut it down. I double tap the edit button and 
work my way down the in-box list, selecting each email whose subject line is 
not something I am interested in. Then I delete them as above.

As I say, these tricks do not work consistantly. One thing I have found to work 
consistantly is to delete an email while it is open. Make sure the rotor is set 
to "actions" and flick up to find delete. You can also find the "more 
actions"button at the bottom of the open email screen, double tap it, then find 
delete in there. Deleting this way will then open the next email for you 
without going back to the in-box screen. Deleting this way will effectively 
prevent working with email threads but it will keep the focus from jumping to 
the top of the in-box all the time.

Note - I refer here to working on an iphone. Email works slightly differently 
on an ipad and the focus problem does not appear to infect email on an ipad.

Good luck.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB



> On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:10 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
>

Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim phone 
which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of the 
page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Mail

[Dave Clement]

Hello, 

Yes, this has been a very annoying bug throughout IOS 13. I too have reported 
it and hope it gets fixed. As to a workaround of sorts, I try one of these two 
things to help minimize the problem. Neither works consistantly but they can 
save a lot of swiping around. 

1. Touching part way down. After deleting an email and ending up at the top of 
the screen, rather than swiping right to get back into the in-box list I just 
touch the screen part way down. While this usually doesn't get me back to the 
correct location in the list, it does get me close and saves a lot of swiping. 
I normally work with a bluetooth keyboard and find this touch method still 
saves a lot of extra steps. With a bluetooth keyboard, you can also just hold 
down the right arrow key and let it repeat. This quickly runs down the items in 
the in-box but I still prefer the touch approach. 

2. Working backward. If I have a lot of unread emails in the in-box, I choose 
one part way down the list to open. On closing it, it usually becomes the top 
one on the in-box list. Instead of deleting it, I swipe back once to see the 
prior unread emailand I work on that one. Essentially I save all of my deletes 
until I have finished working on the unreads. Then, I double click the edit 
button, select all the emails I want to delete, find the delete or trash button 
at the bottom of the screen, and double tap. I receive a lot of email and I use 
a related technique to initially cut it down. I double tap the edit button and 
work my way down the in-box list, selecting each email whose subject line is 
not something I am interested in. Then I delete them as above. 

As I say, these tricks do not work consistantly. One thing I have found to work 
consistantly is to delete an email while it is open. Make sure the rotor is set 
to "actions" and flick up to find delete. You can also find the "more 
actions"button at the bottom of the open email screen, double tap it, then find 
delete in there. Deleting this way will then open the next email for you 
without going back to the in-box screen. Deleting this way will effectively 
prevent working with email threads but it will keep the focus from jumping to 
the top of the in-box all the time. 

Note - I refer here to working on an iphone. Email works slightly differently 
on an ipad and the focus problem does not appear to infect email on an ipad. 

Good luck.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB



> On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:10 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 

Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim phone 
which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of the 
page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Davy Cuppens]

The problem is back again I even restored network settings without help.

I notice when resetting network settings my bluetooth devices were still there, 
I thought they would disappear so that I could stabilise my bluetooth 
connection so network settings do not wipe out bluetooth connectivity devices 
settings I see?

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 5:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

I'm glad xseems to be sorting itself out. 
If pressing t tries to jump to a table it is because Quick Nav is on. Space+q 
toggles Quick Nav, and I think space+dot7+q is single quick nav.
Maybe it was on automatically if you were not actually editing, or it got 
turned on by mistake.
I will try it with uncontracted on and see if things behave differently.



Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi Richard 

  I never use contracted braille I know how to handle this but I never use this 
on pcs or smartphone applications.
  The weired thing now is, I am testing maybe for 10 minutes now and the 
problem got even worse. I went out of an edit field and got back again and 
typing the letter t prompted the sentense: no table found.
  I have been switching now between messages app and whatsapp and now suddenly 
after 15 minutes the iphone is acting as it should and I’ve had two times after 
deleting characters and composing words again, the feedback of VO stays normal.
  So there seems to be a huge unstability in my iphone going onn or what else?
  Davy 

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:11 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

  Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and 
sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using 
contracted or uncontracted braille? 

  Richard
  Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


 OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and 
deleting still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. 
But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
This is curious to me. 
I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an 
email.
I will try it in notes.



Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com




  On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report 
to Apple accessibility

  Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce 
the bug. 
  I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part 
of the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
  However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I 
have deleted the entire word.
  Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
  I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.



  Richard
  Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
  www.turner42.com




On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


 
Hi folks 

Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a 
text edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word 
and go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there 
is no way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I 
delete text I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when 
typing further on.
Regards
davy 
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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Richard Turner]

I'm glad xseems to be sorting itself out.
If pressing t tries to jump to a table it is because Quick Nav is on. Space+q 
toggles Quick Nav, and I think space+dot7+q is single quick nav.
Maybe it was on automatically if you were not actually editing, or it got 
turned on by mistake.
I will try it with uncontracted on and see if things behave differently.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Hi Richard

I never use contracted braille I know how to handle this but I never use this 
on pcs or smartphone applications.
The weired thing now is, I am testing maybe for 10 minutes now and the problem 
got even worse. I went out of an edit field and got back again and typing the 
letter t prompted the sentense: no table found.
I have been switching now between messages app and whatsapp and now suddenly 
after 15 minutes the iphone is acting as it should and I’ve had two times after 
deleting characters and composing words again, the feedback of VO stays normal.
So there seems to be a huge unstability in my iphone going onn or what else?
Davy

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and 
sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using 
contracted or uncontracted braille?

Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting 
still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking.
But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
This is curious to me.
I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email.
I will try it in notes.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug.
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Hi folks

Please do the following using ios13.4.1

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on 
typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way 
to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I 
get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
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Re: Mail

[Davy Cuppens]

Dear forum I will not blame anyone personally but in general the blind world is 
so passive o we poor blinds we are never listened to sighted people often built 
apps inaccessible. I don’t like this complaining but on the contrary, please be 
assertive in your behaviour and do report things in a positive mood and way 
don’t sit back and relax.
Davy 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Mail

I see a ton of issues being reported on this list and if they are obvious and 
known bugs I sometimes remind people that they should also write to 
accessibil...@apple.com because as Davy points out, the more they hear from 
people about a certain bug the more likely it is that they prioritize fixing 
it. Unlike Davy, the bug bomber  I usually encourage to “report bugs to Apple” 
instead of “bombing them”! 藍

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

 

I Agree. I always report bugs to Apple. 

I know that not everyone follows through, but hopefully the people using the 
beta are, and if everyone would write a short message to Apple Accessibility 
when a bug is found, I'm sure it would help a lot.

 

 

Richard

Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:08 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

   

  Hi Richard 

   

  I am very sorry but I hear from Apple workers itselves that VIPS hardly 
report any bugs to the ios system. F.e. I reported the bug about the iphone 
saying the time when you are listening music with a wired apple earphone and 
the guy told me this bug is gone and he renewed the bug report after I reported 
it.

  I am always polite with Apple what I mean with bomb and bomb again. Everybody 
tells I will report to Apple but then sits back and thinks pfff maybe others 
will do it for me because there are so many ... that is a bad policy Richard 
everybody that is facing bugs has to report report and report again.

  Regards

  Davy 

   

  From: Richard Turner 

  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:01 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: Mail

   

  I am now writing on my old SE which I put the beta of 13.4.5 on. 

  I just deleted about 10 messages in a row without being thrown back to the 
back button, but stayed in the list where I should be.

  I will continue to monitor this. But being abusive toward Apple with your 
angry bombs isn't going to accomplish anything.

   

   

   

  Richard

   





On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

 

It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and 
bomb again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Mail

 

Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13. 

It was reported while in beta.

Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.

Very annoying.

 

Richard

Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

www.turner42.com

 





  On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  
wrote:

  Hello all
  i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim 
phone which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
  after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of 
the page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Mail

[Davy Cuppens]

Ok Maybe I am exaggerating with always bomb and bomb again. But that seems the 
only way to convince people to report things.
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mail

I Agree. I always report bugs to Apple. 
I know that not everyone follows through, but hopefully the people using the 
beta are, and if everyone would write a short message to Apple Accessibility 
when a bug is found, I'm sure it would help a lot.




Richard
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Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:08 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi Richard 

  I am very sorry but I hear from Apple workers itselves that VIPS hardly 
report any bugs to the ios system. F.e. I reported the bug about the iphone 
saying the time when you are listening music with a wired apple earphone and 
the guy told me this bug is gone and he renewed the bug report after I reported 
it.
  I am always polite with Apple what I mean with bomb and bomb again. Everybody 
tells I will report to Apple but then sits back and thinks pfff maybe others 
will do it for me because there are so many ... that is a bad policy Richard 
everybody that is facing bugs has to report report and report again.
  Regards
  Davy 

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:01 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Mail

  I am now writing on my old SE which I put the beta of 13.4.5 on. 
  I just deleted about 10 messages in a row without being thrown back to the 
back button, but stayed in the list where I should be.
  I will continue to monitor this. But being abusive toward Apple with your 
angry bombs isn't going to accomplish anything.





  Richard



On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


 
It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and 
bomb again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mail

Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13. 
It was reported while in beta.
Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.
Very annoying.



Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com




  On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  
wrote:


  Hello all
  i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim 
phone which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
  after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of 
the page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Mail

[Davy Cuppens]

Yes Sieghard it occurs when listening to any kind of media at a volume level 
higher dan 60%. I know from Apple and other blind persons this only occurs with 
the delivered wired Apple earpads from your own iphone and if you use bluetooth 
or even wired lightning headphones of other manufacturers the bug is not 
present anymore.
Apple acknowledges this bug.
Regards 
davy 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Mail

Davy, can you explain exactly what you experience with respect to listening to 
music and the time getting spoken? Is this happening when the iPhone is locked 
and you are listening? 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

 

Hi Richard 

 

I am very sorry but I hear from Apple workers itselves that VIPS hardly report 
any bugs to the ios system. F.e. I reported the bug about the iphone saying the 
time when you are listening music with a wired apple earphone and the guy told 
me this bug is gone and he renewed the bug report after I reported it.

I am always polite with Apple what I mean with bomb and bomb again. Everybody 
tells I will report to Apple but then sits back and thinks pfff maybe others 
will do it for me because there are so many ... that is a bad policy Richard 
everybody that is facing bugs has to report report and report again.

Regards

Davy 

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:01 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Mail

 

I am now writing on my old SE which I put the beta of 13.4.5 on. 

I just deleted about 10 messages in a row without being thrown back to the back 
button, but stayed in the list where I should be.

I will continue to monitor this. But being abusive toward Apple with your angry 
bombs isn't going to accomplish anything.

 

 

 

Richard

 





  On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

   

  It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and bomb 
again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

   

  From: Richard Turner 

  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: Mail

   

  Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13. 

  It was reported while in beta.

  Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.

  Very annoying.

   

  Richard

  Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.

  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

  www.turner42.com

   





On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  
wrote:

Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim 
phone which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of 
the page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Richard 

I never use contracted braille I know how to handle this but I never use this 
on pcs or smartphone applications.
The weired thing now is, I am testing maybe for 10 minutes now and the problem 
got even worse. I went out of an edit field and got back again and typing the 
letter t prompted the sentense: no table found.
I have been switching now between messages app and whatsapp and now suddenly 
after 15 minutes the iphone is acting as it should and I’ve had two times after 
deleting characters and composing words again, the feedback of VO stays normal.
So there seems to be a huge unstability in my iphone going onn or what else?
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and 
sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using 
contracted or uncontracted braille? 

Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com




  On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:


   OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and 
deleting still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. 
  But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
  This is curious to me. 
  I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
  But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email.
  I will try it in notes.



  Richard
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  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


 
Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce 
the bug. 
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part 
of the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.



Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi folks 

  Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

  Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text 
edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
  Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and 
go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no 
way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text 
I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
  Regards
  davy 
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RE: Mail

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I see a ton of issues being reported on this list and if they are obvious and 
known bugs I sometimes remind people that they should also write to 
accessibil...@apple.com because as Davy points 
out, the more they hear from people about a certain bug the more likely it is 
that they prioritize fixing it. Unlike Davy, the bug bomber  I usually 
encourage to “report bugs to Apple” instead of “bombing them”! 藍

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

I Agree. I always report bugs to Apple.
I know that not everyone follows through, but hopefully the people using the 
beta are, and if everyone would write a short message to Apple Accessibility 
when a bug is found, I'm sure it would help a lot.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:08 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

Hi Richard

I am very sorry but I hear from Apple workers itselves that VIPS hardly report 
any bugs to the ios system. F.e. I reported the bug about the iphone saying the 
time when you are listening music with a wired apple earphone and the guy told 
me this bug is gone and he renewed the bug report after I reported it.
I am always polite with Apple what I mean with bomb and bomb again. Everybody 
tells I will report to Apple but then sits back and thinks pfff maybe others 
will do it for me because there are so many ... that is a bad policy Richard 
everybody that is facing bugs has to report report and report again.
Regards
Davy

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

I am now writing on my old SE which I put the beta of 13.4.5 on.
I just deleted about 10 messages in a row without being thrown back to the back 
button, but stayed in the list where I should be.
I will continue to monitor this. But being abusive toward Apple with your angry 
bombs isn't going to accomplish anything.



Richard



On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:

It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and bomb 
again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13.
It was reported while in beta.
Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.
Very annoying.

Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com



On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim phone 
which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of the 
page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Mail

[Richard Turner]

I Agree. I always report bugs to Apple.
I know that not everyone follows through, but hopefully the people using the 
beta are, and if everyone would write a short message to Apple Accessibility 
when a bug is found, I'm sure it would help a lot.



Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:08 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Hi Richard

I am very sorry but I hear from Apple workers itselves that VIPS hardly report 
any bugs to the ios system. F.e. I reported the bug about the iphone saying the 
time when you are listening music with a wired apple earphone and the guy told 
me this bug is gone and he renewed the bug report after I reported it.
I am always polite with Apple what I mean with bomb and bomb again. Everybody 
tells I will report to Apple but then sits back and thinks pfff maybe others 
will do it for me because there are so many ... that is a bad policy Richard 
everybody that is facing bugs has to report report and report again.
Regards
Davy

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

I am now writing on my old SE which I put the beta of 13.4.5 on.
I just deleted about 10 messages in a row without being thrown back to the back 
button, but stayed in the list where I should be.
I will continue to monitor this. But being abusive toward Apple with your angry 
bombs isn't going to accomplish anything.




Richard


On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and bomb 
again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13.
It was reported while in beta.
Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.
Very annoying.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:

Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim phone 
which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of the 
page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
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this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
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paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Mail

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Davy, can you explain exactly what you experience with respect to listening to 
music and the time getting spoken? Is this happening when the iPhone is locked 
and you are listening?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 7:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

Hi Richard

I am very sorry but I hear from Apple workers itselves that VIPS hardly report 
any bugs to the ios system. F.e. I reported the bug about the iphone saying the 
time when you are listening music with a wired apple earphone and the guy told 
me this bug is gone and he renewed the bug report after I reported it.
I am always polite with Apple what I mean with bomb and bomb again. Everybody 
tells I will report to Apple but then sits back and thinks pfff maybe others 
will do it for me because there are so many ... that is a bad policy Richard 
everybody that is facing bugs has to report report and report again.
Regards
Davy

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

I am now writing on my old SE which I put the beta of 13.4.5 on.
I just deleted about 10 messages in a row without being thrown back to the back 
button, but stayed in the list where I should be.
I will continue to monitor this. But being abusive toward Apple with your angry 
bombs isn't going to accomplish anything.



Richard



On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Davy Cuppens 
mailto:davycupp...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and bomb 
again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13.
It was reported while in beta.
Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.
Very annoying.

Richard
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Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio 
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Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim phone 
which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of the 
page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Davy Cuppens]

This ios is so crab Richard, everybody who reproduces bugs has other 
experiences. That is like ios11.0, most had no bugs but some had a bunch of 
them.
What I can reproduce is that on ios12 I haven’t had any of these annoyances so 
they are certainly tramendous bugs even if they are device specific on my 
iphone xr 64 gb.
davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting 
still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking. 
But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
This is curious to me. 
I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email.
I will try it in notes.



Richard
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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

  Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug. 
  I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
  However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
  Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
  I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.



  Richard
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


 
Hi folks 

Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text 
edit field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and 
go on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no 
way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text 
I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
davy 
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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Richard Turner]

Well, I just wrote and deleted in notes, and VoiceOver keeps talking and 
sometimes I hear the letters I am deleting. One more question, are you using 
contracted or uncontracted braille?

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On Apr 30, 2020, at 7:06 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:

 OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting 
still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking.
But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
This is curious to me.
I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email.
I will try it in notes.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug.
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Hi folks

Please do the following using ios13.4.1

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on 
typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way 
to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I 
get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
davy
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Re: Mail

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi Richard 

I am very sorry but I hear from Apple workers itselves that VIPS hardly report 
any bugs to the ios system. F.e. I reported the bug about the iphone saying the 
time when you are listening music with a wired apple earphone and the guy told 
me this bug is gone and he renewed the bug report after I reported it.
I am always polite with Apple what I mean with bomb and bomb again. Everybody 
tells I will report to Apple but then sits back and thinks pfff maybe others 
will do it for me because there are so many ... that is a bad policy Richard 
everybody that is facing bugs has to report report and report again.
Regards
Davy 

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 4:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mail

I am now writing on my old SE which I put the beta of 13.4.5 on. 
I just deleted about 10 messages in a row without being thrown back to the back 
button, but stayed in the list where I should be.
I will continue to monitor this. But being abusive toward Apple with your angry 
bombs isn't going to accomplish anything.





Richard



  On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and bomb 
again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

  From: Richard Turner 
  Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Mail

  Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13. 
  It was reported while in beta.
  Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.
  Very annoying.



  Richard
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  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  
wrote:


Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim 
phone which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of 
the page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Richard Turner]

OK, I changed my settings to match yours. Now, making a mistake and deleting 
still allows VoiceOver to continue speaking.
But, I still do not get the letters spoken as I delete them.
This is curious to me.
I cannot think of another setting that would account for the lack of speech 
when I delete characters.
But, I cannot duplicate the VoiceOver going silent after editing in an email.
I will try it in notes.


Richard
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Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:57 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug.
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Hi folks

Please do the following using ios13.4.1

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on 
typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way 
to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I 
get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
davy
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Re: Mail

[Richard Turner]

I am now writing on my old SE which I put the beta of 13.4.5 on.
I just deleted about 10 messages in a row without being thrown back to the back 
button, but stayed in the list where I should be.
I will continue to monitor this. But being abusive toward Apple with your angry 
bombs isn't going to accomplish anything.




Richard


On Apr 30, 2020, at 6:51 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and bomb 
again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mail

Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13.
It was reported while in beta.
Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.
Very annoying.


Richard
Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.
Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:

Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim phone 
which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of the 
page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Davy Cuppens]

Both hardware and software keyboards words are set to be spoken.

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to 
Apple accessibility

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug. 
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.



Richard
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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


   
  Hi folks 

  Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

  Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
  Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go 
on typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no 
way to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text 
I get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
  Regards
  davy 
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Re: Mail

[Davy Cuppens]

It will certainly not as I hear from beta testers. So bomb bomb bomb and bomb 
again accessibil...@apple.com bomb now!

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mail

Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13. 
It was reported while in beta.
Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.
Very annoying.



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  On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:


  Hello all
  i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim 
phone which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
  after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of the 
page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Richard Turner]

Well, I am writing this on the Orbit, and going to see if I can reproduce the 
bug.
I will make a mistake here, interestingly, I made a mistake, deleted part of 
the word, and continued and VoiceOver is speaking just fine.
However, where you here each letter you delete, I hear nothing until I have 
deleted the entire word.
Exactly what ar your keyboard settings for hardware keyboards?
I'd like to hear the letters I am deleting.


Richard
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On Apr 30, 2020, at 4:29 AM, Davy Cuppens  wrote:


Hi folks

Please do the following using ios13.4.1

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on 
typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way 
to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I 
get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
Regards
davy

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Re: Mail

[Richard Turner]

Yes, this is a known bug in iOS 13.
It was reported while in beta.
Maybe when the next version comes out, it will finally be fixed.
Very annoying.


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On Apr 30, 2020, at 5:10 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:

Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim phone 
which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of the 
page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Mail

[Laury, Shawnese (LEO)]

Hello yes, I have this same problem. I first noticed it since a couple of 
updates back. I have not found a work around. It's strange in that this doesn't 
happen every time I'm reading mail but it is occurring the majority of the 
time. I hoped that this would be fixed with the latest update but it didn't 
happen. 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mail

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Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim phone 
which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of the 
page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Mail

[Kimberly]

I had this very same problem on my old phone too. It’s not resolved yet with 
13.4.1, but hopefully will be in the future.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone
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on.—Annie Proulx

> On Apr 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
> Hello all
> i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim 
> phone which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the 
> Mail program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
> wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
> after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of the 
> page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
> message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
> nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
> message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
> reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
> this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
> about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
> paranoid! Sent from my iPhone
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Mail

[deidre muccio]

Hello all
i've just moved to the new SC from an iPhone 6 actually I had an interim phone 
which was a 6S with 13 on it. But there's something buggy about the Mail 
program on my new phone which Apple Accessibility has said is a bug. I'm 
wondering if anyone else is noticing it and if they found a workaround.
after I read a message and delete it I am thrown back to the very top of the 
page which says Gmail. From there I have to swipe down to get to the next 
message. It's not automatically keeping me where the messages are. It's  a 
nuisance to have to keep going from the top back down to wear the next unread 
message starts to be listed. I don't know  if collapsing the messages after 
reading or not makes any difference. Seems I've tried both and I still have 
this problem. Has anyone found a workaround or does anyone know what to do 
about the sort of thing? Am I the only one this is happening to? No I'm not 
paranoid! Sent from my iPhone

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join me to reproduce this bug and if so immediately report to Apple accessibility

[Davy Cuppens]

Hi folks 

Please do the following using ios13.4.1 

Connect whatever brail display to your iphone and write text into a text edit 
field whatever application and everything will seem to work normal.
Now type a mistake and press space +d backspace and correct your word and go on 
typing. Then, in my case, voiceover stops giving feedback and there is no way 
to restore it back to normal. My feedback is set on words. If I delete text I 
get feedback of each letter I erase but no feedback of words when typing 
further on.
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Re: Potential bug when creating a new contact from an unknown caller

[Robert Doc wright]

They are aware of this. On my keyboard I was asked to press VO+space to see if 
that opens the edit field.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:27 PM
  Subject: RE: Potential bug when creating a new contact from an unknown caller


  I had noticed this too, but this in fact has been a bug if you want to call 
it that for years off and on. The fact is that as long as you know it double 
tapping first on last name and starting there, then go to first name and other 
fields becomes second nature and as far as bugs go it’s so minor that for me 
it’s not worth the time it takes to write an email about it. I am not saying 
those who find it more annoying shouldn’t write that email, but to me it simply 
makes no difference if I first enter the first name or the last name.

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Davy 
Cuppens
  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 11:27 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Potential bug when creating a new contact from an unknown caller

   

  I can confirm this bug so bomb their servers with this persisting bug bomb 
bomb and bomb again!

  Davy 

   

  From: Richard Turner 

  Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2020 7:37 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: Potential bug when creating a new contact from an unknown caller

   

  I have found that if I go first to last name after selecting create new 
contact, I can enter the last name then go back to the first name field enter 
that, and then hit done. 

  If that isn't working, then definitely contact Apple.

   

  Richard

  Qwawntine, qwawantine, is wot dwives us to dwinking, today.

  Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

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On Apr 29, 2020, at 9:56 AM, Kimberly  wrote:

 Hi, 

 

It would be great if someone could confirm this or else tell me what I’m 
doing wrong.

 

Whenever I get a call from an unknown number for which I want to create a 
new contact, I find I can’t type anything into any of the edit fields such as 
first or last name or email. This is true with both the onscreen keyboard as 
well as a bluetooth keyboard.

 

Simply adding a new contact (not from an unknow number) works fine. 

 

If this is a bug I will report it to Apple.

 

Thanks,

Kim

Sent from Kimber's iPhone 

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