RE: applevis.com has no search box

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you go to Applevis.com on an iPhone (I sued Edge), I had to tap on the 
button near the top which says something like "Toggle Navigation and Search", 
once I double tapped on it the search field sdhowed up and it it very common on 
mobile sites to hide things like the search field in order to make the site 
less cluttered.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 6:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box

Simon, the rotor options only work if the fields are whereHave you gone to the 
page and tried finding a search box?As of yesterday, there were none..


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:10 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
I am pretty sure there is a search field option in the rota as well.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Greg 
Wocher
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:53 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box

Hello,
I went to the applevis site on my Mac and the search field that used to be 
there is gone. I set my rotor to form fields and its just not there now. This 
is strange.

Greg Wocher



On Sep 25, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Are you using the rota to find the search field on the site?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 4:16 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box

Interesting. There was a search box on AppleVis as of a few days ago.
They must have done a site update recently. I often go to AppleVis to search 
for apps or other items, and this is the first time that I've noticed it gone. 
Granted, even when I do a search, I still have to dig down a few layers/pages 
to find what I want. Perhaps someone from AppleVis can speak to this, since I 
know they lurk on this list. Well, there's always the good old Google search 
for finding specific information, but I also know not everyone is comfortable 
with that too.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/25/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
Anymore if I want to know about a particular topic and don't get a
response through emails, I go to the podcast app and type in the
search field what I'm interested in. That's a lot easier for me than going 
through applevis.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Richard Turner

wrote:


Following up on the comment about people needing to use Applevos.com
before asking questions on this list… I just went to Applevis.com
with Microsoft Edge and with Firefox.

There are no search boxes, none, nada, nowhere.

If you are looking for information on an app, you cannot simply
search for it.
You have to drill down through many pages to get anything.
Even, after following the link from the main page titled, “Apps,”
and you find the heading for Apps, it says:
Apps
article
Here at AppleVis we strive to make it easier for you to find great
and accessible apps to use on Apple products.
>From this page, you can browse and search our directories of iOS,
iPadOS, Mac, Apple Watch, and Apple TV apps; see what apps others
are recommending; and see which iOS and iPadOS apps our community
has inducted into our Hall Of Fame.

So, I followed the link to search, then you have a bunch (I was
going to say s***load, but thought better of it) of more links with
not a search box anywhere to be found.

So, at this point, applevis is only marginally useful, especially
for someone who is a beginner.

I have been using iDevices since they became accessible and can find
what I need most of the time without resorting to asking too many
questions on the list, but I used to always refer people to
Applevis, especially for their blog about updates, and I will still recommend 
that.
But as a source to find information about specific apps, or just
apps in general, it is a crazy rabbit-warren of trails that I won’t
be bothering with.



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RE: Iphone and Echo Alexa

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The Echo has no 3.5mm input, the jack that is there is a 3.5mm headphone jack.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marty 
Hutchings
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone and Echo Alexa

Is the Aux jack on the Echo an input or output?  to connect your Stream, you 
need the jack to be an input for it to work.



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From: Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone and Echo Alexa

There may be a button to switch to aux output.  I don't have an echo.
I'm considering purchasing one myself.  Also, I'm sure you can't do
both, have the echo connected to your iPhone via bluetooth and use it
with an aux cable plugged in at the same time.  Good luck.

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RE: IOS 14.0.1 is out

[Sieghard Weitzel]

That is also fixed for me even in 14.0 and in 14.0.1 it still works 100% as it 
should, I delete a message and the next message gets focus and Voiceover speaks 
and it does so absolutely fast without even the slightest pause.
The focus issues however are not at all fixed fo rme in 14.0.1 on my iPhone 8, 
just as bad as ever.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 14.0.1 is out

That is not happening for me.
I am running the beta of 14.2 however.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert


On Sep 26, 2020, at 9:12 AM, Johnna Simmons  wrote:
Does anyone know if iOS is ever going to fix the fact that when you read an 
email message in your inbox and deleted it jumps back to the very beginning of 
your inbox. You cannot scroll through messages in the middle. So I guess, if 
you want to delete anything within your inbox it has to be at the beginning.

Johnna Simmons


On Sep 24, 2020, at 2:20 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

For my part, I'm not as pessimistic, and I won't be jumping to conclusions but 
rather, I'll be installing this update and taking a look for myself.

I'm glad you've never run into a "bug" on Android. I'm not saying it's any 
worse then the iPhone, but I've definitely seen my share of Android, Talk Back, 
and Voice Assistant bugs.

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Of Robin
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 14.0.1 is out

Not Likely, as Apple doesn't Prioritize  Bug Fixes for TotallyBlind users of 
Apple's
VoiceOver ...Remember, You're IN Line, & Not at  The Begining either, so You'll
have to Wait until YourTurn comes up

Personally, I  have Never encountered any "Bugs"
AssociatedWith  Google'sAndroid on  My SamsungGalaxy MobilePhones

I've  Turned OFF  AutomaticUpdates on Both of  My iOSDevices: XS MAX, which
is on iOS12.4.1  & 11PRO, which is on iOS13.7

At 11:04 AM 9/24/2020, you wrote:
this update says bug fixes. Hopefully they included some of the VO
issues we're having.

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Re: ipod shuffle

[Marty Hutchings]

Shirley,  The iPod Shuffle charging cable has a USB male at one end and a 3.5 
mm TRRS male plug at the other end.

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From: Shirley Healy 
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:36 PM
To: ViPhone 
Subject: ipod shuffle

does anyone know what type of cable the ipod shuffle takes? I am selling one 
but have no cable as I lost it. the person buying it wants to know what type of 
cable it uses. its the little square ipod shuffle, one of the very first modles 
apple brought out with voice over on it.
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ipod shuffle

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does anyone know what type of cable the ipod shuffle takes? I am selling one 
but have no cable as I lost it. the person buying it wants to know what type of 
cable it uses. its the little square ipod shuffle, one of the very first modles 
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ApleVis.com has a search box again

[Richard Turner]

Apparently, Applevis.com has fixed their site so there is now a search box 
again.
For a few days there was none as confirmed by several people.
Glad to say it is back.



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RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

[Cris Ali]

Okay guys,
Since I have never owned an Apple Watch before, excuse my ignorance. Does the 
cellular version of the Apple Watch have a physical sim card, or an electronic 
card? If it is a physical sim card, is it easy to slide it in and out of the 
watch?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

I believe they both have GPS, but one has cellular onboard and the other 
doesn’t.
I’m considering the series 6 and they have one that is gps and one that is 
gps/cellular.
I never leave my home without my phone, so I will go for the one without the 
cellular if I decide to do that.
.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks a million Chris. I have another question for you if you do not mind, How 
different is the GPS version from other versions of the iWatch?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do you guys think of iWatch six?


The main reason some people choose to get the cell model is for that exact 
reason, you can actually leave your home without your phone if you want. So 
yes, with the cell model, you can make and receive calls without your phone, as 
well as send and receive messages. Just know, making phone calls on your watch 
can drain the battery more quickly.

I also wanted to mention that you can also make and receive calls on the non 
cell model as long as your phone is within some distance. So this can come in 
handy if you do not want to take your phone out of your pocket.

Hope this helps.

Chris


On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Cris Ali 
mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
 Okay Simon. I have another question for you. Is your iWatch cellular or 
bluetooth? What are the exact advantages of the cellular type? For instance, if 
you leave your phone at home and you walk down the street, would you still be 
able to receive a phone call on your watch and answer it?
Cheers,
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

They wont use up a lot but they wil increase usage when they are in action,

But I would think you should get a good day plus out of the battery.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks Simon,
I want the iWatch six for the health features it has to offer, The oxygen level 
monitor, the heart rate monitor and such. I imagine they would consume a lot of 
battery power.
Cheers,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Chris,

I’ve had an apple watch 1 the original,
A series 2 and now a series 4,

None of them have given me more than 2 days battery life at a stretch,

I can get slightly more but not enough to say it made a difference.
But it realy depends on what you are doing in your day and what services / 
features on the watch you have running as they will burn up more battery life 
the more you have running at the time.

Especially with things like the Blood o2 meter as it has LED’s that tell you 
it’s working so they will add to the usage.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Hi folks,
I have to admit that I never thought of an iWatch until now. The great medical 
sensors in iWatch six make it more appealing to me than previous watches.
However, I noticed that the apple conference in September 15 never mentioned 
anything about the battery life of this iWatch. Did anyone on this list buy it? 
If so, What do you think of its battery life? I appreciate any comments on this 
watch in general and battery 

Re: applevis.com has no search box

[dani pagador]

I just went to Applevis and did an f-thing and found a form field and
a Search button. I'm using Edge and Windows2004 or whatever the latest
update is called. I can't see any Braille, and can't verify anything I
type in to fields when I use Edge, (am using JFW2018), so haven't
tried doing a Search.

Sorry couldn't be more helpful. Coffee is wearing out, and have no
brain cells left.

More Later,
Dani

On 9/26/20, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Simon, the rotor options only work if the fields are whereHave you gone to
> the page and tried finding a search box?As of yesterday, there were none..
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward
> Herbert
>
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:10 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>
> I am pretty sure there is a search field option in the rota as well.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Greg
> Wocher
> Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:53 pm
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box
>
> Hello,
> I went to the applevis site on my Mac and the search field that used to be
> there is gone. I set my rotor to form fields and its just not there now.
> This is strange.
>
> Greg Wocher
>
>
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>
> Are you using the rota to find the search field on the site?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 4:16 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box
>
> Interesting. There was a search box on AppleVis as of a few days ago.
> They must have done a site update recently. I often go to AppleVis to search
> for apps or other items, and this is the first time that I've noticed it
> gone. Granted, even when I do a search, I still have to dig down a few
> layers/pages to find what I want. Perhaps someone from AppleVis can speak to
> this, since I know they lurk on this list. Well, there's always the good old
> Google search for finding specific information, but I also know not everyone
> is comfortable with that too.
>
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
>
> On 9/25/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> Anymore if I want to know about a particular topic and don't get a
> response through emails, I go to the podcast app and type in the
> search field what I'm interested in. That's a lot easier for me than going
> through applevis.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Richard Turner
> 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Following up on the comment about people needing to use Applevos.com
> before asking questions on this list… I just went to Applevis.com
> with Microsoft Edge and with Firefox.
>
> There are no search boxes, none, nada, nowhere.
>
> If you are looking for information on an app, you cannot simply
> search for it.
> You have to drill down through many pages to get anything.
> Even, after following the link from the main page titled, “Apps,”
> and you find the heading for Apps, it says:
> Apps
> article
> Here at AppleVis we strive to make it easier for you to find great
> and accessible apps to use on Apple products.
> From this page, you can browse and search our directories of iOS,
> iPadOS, Mac, Apple Watch, and Apple TV apps; see what apps others
> are recommending; and see which iOS and iPadOS apps our community
> has inducted into our Hall Of Fame.
>
> So, I followed the link to search, then you have a bunch (I was
> going to say s***load, but thought better of it) of more links with
> not a search box anywhere to be found.
>
> So, at this point, applevis is only marginally useful, especially
> for someone who is a beginner.
>
> I have been using iDevices since they became accessible and can find
> what I need most of the time without resorting to asking too many
> questions on the list, but I used to always refer people to
> Applevis, especially for their blog about updates, and I will still
> recommend that.
> But as a source to find information about specific apps, or just
> apps in general, it is a crazy rabbit-warren of trails that I won’t
> be bothering with.
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must
> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have
> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted
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Re: resetting an apple watch

[Shirley Healy]

Ok, thank you!
shirley
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Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 2:43 AM
Subject: Re: resetting an apple watch



Hello,
Yes, from the watch app on your phone tap on general/reset/erase all
content and settings.
This can also be done from the watch itself.



On 9/26/20, Shirley Healy  wrote:

does anyone know how I would reset an apple watch to factory settings?

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Re: resetting an apple watch

[Shai]

Hello,
Yes, from the watch app on your phone tap on general/reset/erase all
content and settings.
This can also be done from the watch itself.



On 9/26/20, Shirley Healy  wrote:
> does anyone know how I would reset an apple watch to factory settings?
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Re: applevis.com has no search box

[Richard Turner]

Simon, the rotor options only work if the fields are whereHave you gone to the 
page and tried finding a search box?As of yesterday, there were none..



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:10 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

I am pretty sure there is a search field option in the rota as well.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Greg 
Wocher
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:53 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box

Hello,
I went to the applevis site on my Mac and the search field that used to be 
there is gone. I set my rotor to form fields and its just not there now. This 
is strange.

Greg Wocher


On Sep 25, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:

Are you using the rota to find the search field on the site?

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Wayne Merritt
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 4:16 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box

Interesting. There was a search box on AppleVis as of a few days ago.
They must have done a site update recently. I often go to AppleVis to search 
for apps or other items, and this is the first time that I've noticed it gone. 
Granted, even when I do a search, I still have to dig down a few layers/pages 
to find what I want. Perhaps someone from AppleVis can speak to this, since I 
know they lurk on this list. Well, there's always the good old Google search 
for finding specific information, but I also know not everyone is comfortable 
with that too.

Be well,
Wayne Merritt

On 9/25/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
Anymore if I want to know about a particular topic and don't get a
response through emails, I go to the podcast app and type in the
search field what I'm interested in. That's a lot easier for me than going 
through applevis.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Richard Turner

wrote:


Following up on the comment about people needing to use Applevos.com
before asking questions on this list… I just went to Applevis.com
with Microsoft Edge and with Firefox.

There are no search boxes, none, nada, nowhere.

If you are looking for information on an app, you cannot simply
search for it.
You have to drill down through many pages to get anything.
Even, after following the link from the main page titled, “Apps,”
and you find the heading for Apps, it says:
Apps
article
Here at AppleVis we strive to make it easier for you to find great
and accessible apps to use on Apple products.
>From this page, you can browse and search our directories of iOS,
iPadOS, Mac, Apple Watch, and Apple TV apps; see what apps others
are recommending; and see which iOS and iPadOS apps our community
has inducted into our Hall Of Fame.

So, I followed the link to search, then you have a bunch (I was
going to say s***load, but thought better of it) of more links with
not a search box anywhere to be found.

So, at this point, applevis is only marginally useful, especially
for someone who is a beginner.

I have been using iDevices since they became accessible and can find
what I need most of the time without resorting to asking too many
questions on the list, but I used to always refer people to
Applevis, especially for their blog about updates, and I will still recommend 
that.
But as a source to find information about specific apps, or just
apps in general, it is a crazy rabbit-warren of trails that I won’t
be bothering with.



Richard
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pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have
regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted
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RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

[Simon A Fogarty]

And the apple watch SE has the processor from the apple watch 5,
Yes a new processor in the series 6.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2020 8:15 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

It was MyUnderStanding that the ECG  is ON  Apple's Series4 & Series5 
AppleWatch  In AdditionTo its NewlyReleased Series6 AppleWatch, but Not Present 
ON  Apple's NEW AppleWatchSE

As Far as  (I  Know) the Series6 AppleWatch has an Improved Processor & always 
on altimeter

the Series5 AppleWatch comes EquippedWith  Always ON
At 11:57 AM 9/26/2020, you wrote:


>From my reading, the ECG is only on the 6.

The 6 has the always on retina display, and I believe the always on altimeter?

The next step up in processors, I’m not clear on the exact names of the watch 
processors, but it is next one up in the series so a faster processor.



Beyond that, I’m not sure.







Richard

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himself,†and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



From: m...@michaelhingson.com 
mailto:m...@michaelhingson.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Subject: RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6



Michael Hingson Hi all,



I don’t recall seeing any comparison between the just released model 6 and 
the previous model 5 of the iWatch. Might someone please summarize the actual 
differences? What do you get with the 6 that you do not get with the 5. I am 
familiar with the oximeter, but what other differences exist? Thanks.





Best Regards,





Michael Hingson

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RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

[Simon A Fogarty]

Richard,

The ECG was on the 4 and 5 as well as the 6,
But out of the 6 and se yes the 6 has the blood o2 meter, ecg,and something 
else which escapes me.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2020 7:57 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

>From my reading, the ECG is only on the 6.
The 6 has the always on retina display, and I believe the always on altimeter?
The next step up in processors, I’m not clear on the exact names of the watch 
processors, but it is next one up in the series so a faster processor.

Beyond that, I’m not sure.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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mailto:m...@michaelhingson.com>> On Behalf Of 
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Subject: RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

Michael Hingson Hi all,

I don’t recall seeing any comparison between the just released model 6 and the 
previous model 5 of the iWatch. Might someone please summarize the actual 
differences? What do you get with the 6 that you do not get with the 5. I am 
familiar with the oximeter, but what other differences exist? Thanks.


Best Regards,


Michael Hingson
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RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

[Simon A Fogarty]

Honestly there is no obvious

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2020 6:41 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks a million Chris. I have another question for you if you do not mind, How 
different is the GPS version from other versions of the iWatch?

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do you guys think of iWatch six?


The main reason some people choose to get the cell model is for that exact 
reason, you can actually leave your home without your phone if you want. So 
yes, with the cell model, you can make and receive calls without your phone, as 
well as send and receive messages. Just know, making phone calls on your watch 
can drain the battery more quickly.

I also wanted to mention that you can also make and receive calls on the non 
cell model as long as your phone is within some distance. So this can come in 
handy if you do not want to take your phone out of your pocket.

Hope this helps.

Chris


On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Cris Ali 
mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
 Okay Simon. I have another question for you. Is your iWatch cellular or 
bluetooth? What are the exact advantages of the cellular type? For instance, if 
you leave your phone at home and you walk down the street, would you still be 
able to receive a phone call on your watch and answer it?
Cheers,
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

They wont use up a lot but they wil increase usage when they are in action,

But I would think you should get a good day plus out of the battery.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks Simon,
I want the iWatch six for the health features it has to offer, The oxygen level 
monitor, the heart rate monitor and such. I imagine they would consume a lot of 
battery power.
Cheers,


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Chris,

I’ve had an apple watch 1 the original,
A series 2 and now a series 4,

None of them have given me more than 2 days battery life at a stretch,

I can get slightly more but not enough to say it made a difference.
But it realy depends on what you are doing in your day and what services / 
features on the watch you have running as they will burn up more battery life 
the more you have running at the time.

Especially with things like the Blood o2 meter as it has LED’s that tell you 
it’s working so they will add to the usage.



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Hi folks,
I have to admit that I never thought of an iWatch until now. The great medical 
sensors in iWatch six make it more appealing to me than previous watches.
However, I noticed that the apple conference in September 15 never mentioned 
anything about the battery life of this iWatch. Did anyone on this list buy it? 
If so, What do you think of its battery life? I appreciate any comments on this 
watch in general and battery life in particular.

Cris Ali
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Photo Question

[Carla]

How do I put photos and videos back on my iPhone that I took off and put on
the computer?  Now that I have more gigs I want to put some pictures and
videos back on my phone.  I have the SE 20 with 256 gigs.  Thanks!
 
Carla
 

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watch differences between series 2 and later series

[Shirley Healy]

I have a series 2 wifi only apple watch. i got it a couple years ago 
secondhand, to try it out. I havent really used it a lot, but can do basic 
things on it. what I'd love to know is since series 2, what new features are 
there say, in later series, say from 4 onwards?

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RE: Not enough space to update watch

[Simon A Fogarty]

Try eraising the watch back to factory defaults and then updating it to watch 
os 7 


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Sent: Sunday, 27 September 2020 4:09 am
To: viPhone list 
Subject: Not enough space to update watch

When I set my series III watch to update, I get the message that there isn't 
enough space and I should go into the phone, watch app, to delete things.  I 
dont find a place in the watch app to delete items.  I have tried following 
shirley's instructions on deleting apps using the watch, but I can't get to the 
delete command.

How can I make this happen?

thanks,

Ann

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RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

[Simon A Fogarty]

And I do that when I leave my phone at the other end of the house,

I use my watch to take a call.


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Chaffin
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 11:50 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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The main reason some people choose to get the cell model is for that exact 
reason, you can actually leave your home without your phone if you want. So 
yes, with the cell model, you can make and receive calls without your phone, as 
well as send and receive messages. Just know, making phone calls on your watch 
can drain the battery more quickly.

I also wanted to mention that you can also make and receive calls on the non 
cell model as long as your phone is within some distance. So this can come in 
handy if you do not want to take your phone out of your pocket.

Hope this helps.

Chris



On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Cris Ali 
mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
 Okay Simon. I have another question for you. Is your iWatch cellular or 
bluetooth? What are the exact advantages of the cellular type? For instance, if 
you leave your phone at home and you walk down the street, would you still be 
able to receive a phone call on your watch and answer it?
Cheers,
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

They wont use up a lot but they wil increase usage when they are in action,

But I would think you should get a good day plus out of the battery.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks Simon,
I want the iWatch six for the health features it has to offer, The oxygen level 
monitor, the heart rate monitor and such. I imagine they would consume a lot of 
battery power.
Cheers,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Chris,

I’ve had an apple watch 1 the original,
A series 2 and now a series 4,

None of them have given me more than 2 days battery life at a stretch,

I can get slightly more but not enough to say it made a difference.
But it realy depends on what you are doing in your day and what services / 
features on the watch you have running as they will burn up more battery life 
the more you have running at the time.

Especially with things like the Blood o2 meter as it has LED’s that tell you 
it’s working so they will add to the usage.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Hi folks,
I have to admit that I never thought of an iWatch until now. The great medical 
sensors in iWatch six make it more appealing to me than previous watches.
However, I noticed that the apple conference in September 15 never mentioned 
anything about the battery life of this iWatch. Did anyone on this list buy it? 
If so, What do you think of its battery life? I appreciate any comments on this 
watch in general and battery life in particular.

Cris Ali
filasti...@hotmail.com

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RE: applevis.com has no search box

[Simon A Fogarty]

I am pretty sure there is a search field option in the rota as well.

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Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 10:53 pm
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Hello,
I went to the applevis site on my Mac and the search field that used to be 
there is gone. I set my rotor to form fields and its just not there now. This 
is strange.

Greg Wocher


> On Sep 25, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Are you using the rota to find the search field on the site?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 4:16 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box
> 
> Interesting. There was a search box on AppleVis as of a few days ago.
> They must have done a site update recently. I often go to AppleVis to search 
> for apps or other items, and this is the first time that I've noticed it 
> gone. Granted, even when I do a search, I still have to dig down a few 
> layers/pages to find what I want. Perhaps someone from AppleVis can speak to 
> this, since I know they lurk on this list. Well, there's always the good old 
> Google search for finding specific information, but I also know not everyone 
> is comfortable with that too.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 9/25/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>> Anymore if I want to know about a particular topic and don't get a 
>> response through emails, I go to the podcast app and type in the 
>> search field what I'm interested in. That's a lot easier for me than going 
>> through applevis.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Richard Turner 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Following up on the comment about people needing to use Applevos.com 
>>> before asking questions on this list… I just went to Applevis.com 
>>> with Microsoft Edge and with Firefox.
>>> 
>>> There are no search boxes, none, nada, nowhere.
>>> 
>>> If you are looking for information on an app, you cannot simply 
>>> search for it.
>>> You have to drill down through many pages to get anything.
>>> Even, after following the link from the main page titled, “Apps,” 
>>> and you find the heading for Apps, it says:
>>> Apps
>>> article
>>> Here at AppleVis we strive to make it easier for you to find great 
>>> and accessible apps to use on Apple products.
>>> From this page, you can browse and search our directories of iOS, 
>>> iPadOS, Mac, Apple Watch, and Apple TV apps; see what apps others 
>>> are recommending; and see which iOS and iPadOS apps our community 
>>> has inducted into our Hall Of Fame.
>>> 
>>> So, I followed the link to search, then you have a bunch (I was 
>>> going to say s***load, but thought better of it) of more links with 
>>> not a search box anywhere to be found.
>>> 
>>> So, at this point, applevis is only marginally useful, especially 
>>> for someone who is a beginner.
>>> 
>>> I have been using iDevices since they became accessible and can find 
>>> what I need most of the time without resorting to asking too many 
>>> questions on the list, but I used to always refer people to 
>>> Applevis, especially for their blog about updates, and I will still 
>>> recommend that.
>>> But as a source to find information about specific apps, or just 
>>> apps in general, it is a crazy rabbit-warren of trails that I won’t 
>>> be bothering with.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
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resetting an apple watch

[Shirley Healy]

does anyone know how I would reset an apple watch to factory settings?

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RE: 14 Stuff

[Carolyn]

What a relief. I do use page 3, have two extra apps, but evidently, nothing 
drastic will be happening then. That woman had me pretty concerned. 

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IOS 14 doesn't change your home screen at all. You can still use your home 
pages just as you always have. You won't lose your organization, and you can 
continue to place icons on your home pages, rearrange them all you want and 
place them in the folders you want. You can find your apps the same way you've 
always been finding them. Again, absolutely nothing is changing with respect to 
your home pages, so whatever you're hearing is mistaken.

If you want, and this is totally up to you, you can use the apps library. If 
you don't want to use it, you can ignore it, and unless you swipe past your 
last home page, you'll never even know it's there.

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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Carolyn
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: 14 Stuff
> 
> Usually late Eastern Time is a good time to call, so they must be really 
> jammed.
> 
> Regardless if they fix it all, I still am perplexed about it changing 
> my Homne Page, which I have worked so hard to taylor to my taste. From 
> what I heard, I don't understand it, have not a clue of how to find or open 
> apps.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Anne West
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 3:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: 14 Stuff
> 
> Happy Friday to all!
> 
> 
> 
> My iPhone 8 is being very strange. I will answer a question and note 
> some “bugs” and issues I’ve never had until 14.
> 
> 
> 
> First, when I reply to a text read in the messaging app, I simply 
> swipe right to the edit box. I do a 1 finger double tap and it opens. 
> I don’t get the weird repeating letters.
> 
> 
> 
> When I downloaded and installed 14 last week and when I downloaded and 
> installed yesterday’s update, my phone came up on the screen as if I 
> powered on for the first time. I had to call Apple for help both 
> times. Why is my phone doing that? Apple advisors are stressed out to 
> the max I’m sure. I was on hold over an hour yesterday late evening eastern 
> time.
> 
> 
> 
> When I dictate a message, there are times my phone seems to be using 
> Siri as I hear the double tone. That malady is as of installing 14. 
> Sometimes, I hear the single tone when dictating. I guess my texts  
> are okay when delivered. Haven’t heard any complaints! And yes, I do 
> the 2 finger double tap to start and stop dictation. Anyone have that 
> experience besides me?
> 
> 
> 
> My phone continues to jump around after yesterday’s install. I’m 
> thinking we will have several beg fixing updates. My mother used to 
> say, “Rome wasn’t built in a day” in her beautiful Swedish accent.
> 
> 
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
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RE: Home Screen on 14.

[Carolyn]

Thanks. That is a relief. 

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Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 2:06 PM
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Subject: Re: Home Screen on 14.

Yes, 14 does have an App Library. But it is after the last page. It therefore 
is an option. In the library there are two modes. The first is a grouping page, 
then if you want to see a list of all your apps alphabetically, you swipe down. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates Louie P (Pete) Nalda 
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> On Sep 26, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I am still at 13.7. I heard from a sighted friend that with 14, the 
> Home Page goes to a library. Back in the day, she was a computer 
> programmer, but is rather perplexed by this change and having a bit of 
> a time with it. She's sighted.
> 
> So, I'm asking, what does she mean by that, and how would I open apps 
> other than asking Siri to do it, which I am not in the habit of doing?
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RE: Home Screen on 14.

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Carolyn,
Nothing is going to be changed on your home page from IOS 14. The Library page 
will be added to the last page of your apps.
Mr. Ed


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Carolyn
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Home Screen on 14.

I am still at 13.7. I heard from a sighted friend that with
14, the Home Page goes to a library. Back in the day, she
was a computer programmer, but is rather perplexed by this
change and having a bit of a time with it. She's sighted. 

So, I'm asking, what does she mean by that, and how would I
open apps other than asking Siri to do it, which I am not in
the habit of doing?

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RE: 14 Stuff

[chaltain]

IOS 14 doesn't change your home screen at all. You can still use your home 
pages just as you always have. You won't lose your organization, and you can 
continue to place icons on your home pages, rearrange them all you want and 
place them in the folders you want. You can find your apps the same way you've 
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If you want, and this is totally up to you, you can use the apps library. If 
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last home page, you'll never even know it's there.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Carolyn
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: 14 Stuff
> 
> Usually late Eastern Time is a good time to call, so they must be really 
> jammed.
> 
> Regardless if they fix it all, I still am perplexed about it changing my Homne
> Page, which I have worked so hard to taylor to my taste. From what I heard, I
> don't understand it, have not a clue of how to find or open apps.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Anne West
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 3:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: 14 Stuff
> 
> Happy Friday to all!
> 
> 
> 
> My iPhone 8 is being very strange. I will answer a question and note some
> “bugs” and issues I’ve never had until 14.
> 
> 
> 
> First, when I reply to a text read in the messaging app, I simply swipe right 
> to the
> edit box. I do a 1 finger double tap and it opens. I don’t get the weird 
> repeating
> letters.
> 
> 
> 
> When I downloaded and installed 14 last week and when I downloaded and
> installed yesterday’s update, my phone came up on the screen as if I powered 
> on
> for the first time. I had to call Apple for help both times. Why is my phone 
> doing
> that? Apple advisors are stressed out to the max I’m sure. I was on hold over 
> an
> hour yesterday late evening eastern time.
> 
> 
> 
> When I dictate a message, there are times my phone seems to be using Siri as I
> hear the double tone. That malady is as of installing 14. Sometimes, I hear 
> the
> single tone when dictating. I guess my texts  are okay when delivered. Haven’t
> heard any complaints! And yes, I do the 2 finger double tap to start and stop
> dictation. Anyone have that experience besides me?
> 
> 
> 
> My phone continues to jump around after yesterday’s install. I’m thinking we 
> will
> have several beg fixing updates. My mother used to say, “Rome wasn’t built in 
> a
> day” in her beautiful Swedish accent.
> 
> 
> 
> Anne
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ATT Watch TV no longer working with VO on Apple TV

[sarai.bucciarelli]

All:

 

I can no longer read the network channels under the discover tab on ATT
Watch TV app on Apple TV OS 14. I use to press discover tab then networks.
All the network channels would read. It appears to be unlabeled now. Any
work arounds?

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Re: am I missing something?????

[regina alvarado]

I would never learned to use iPhone back when I had the 4s if I  couldn’t have 
asked questions here and a couple of other places. I didn’t even know how to 
use Safari. I think this list almost every day. I know a lot about iOS now, but 
I sure didn’t back then. If it wasn’t for this list I would have been lost. I 
taught myself a lot, but this list helped me immensely.

Reggie Alvarado 

On Sep 26, 2020, at 1:37 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

The list saved me from 14; applevis.com would not have done so. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ann
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:37 AM
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Subject: Re: am I missing something?

Questions and opinions are allowed on the list. I might have trashed a 
perfectly good iPhone recently if not for some very simple advice that came 
from this list. And BTW, I did post on AppleVis about the same problem, but got 
no help at all.





and, sometimes, I want to hear the opinion of other users concerning what they 
feel is the best apps, and their experiences with such apps. And it's easier to 
do this through email than having to use something that is forum based.





I hope it never comes down to a list wide attitude of "You'd better have 
exhausted all other sources before you dare to ask a question and annoy us" on 
the list. That is not what I signed up for years ago.




There are plenty of ways to manage unwanted email. Set your sorting preferences 
to threaded, if possible. Set your subscription to a digest mode if the 
frequency of mail is too overwhelming for you. And if it's what people are 
saying or how they say it that bothers you, then anyone is free to remove 
themselves from any list at any time.




~Ann












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Olver
   Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 2:45 pm
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
   Subject: Re: am I missing something?



   No, it is not what I am saying. I have seen times when individuals have sent 
four to six messages to the list when one would have sufficed. I have seen 
messages which I pointed out in mine like what recording app should I get, or 
what GPS app is the best? There is no best it is all subjective, and you know 
what they say about opinions.



   Fred



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Re: user guide for the iPhone SE

[Alan Lemly]

Marvin,

Apple's user guides are usually about major iOS versions as opposed to major 
hardware devices. But as Richard said, check the Books app on your device. And 
if you're used to reading with Voice Dream Reader on your iPhone, don't expect 
your Books reading experience to be as good.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone with Outlook for iOS

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Kotler 
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:23:40 AM
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Subject: user guide for the iPhone SE


Good morning listers just wondering if there is a user guide for the iPhone SE 
that can be downloaded in a readable format.  Thanks

Marvin Kotler



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RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

[kitty hevener]

Richard, I sent feedback to them.  Thanks.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

 

There is a feedback section in the helps within the app where you can write 
them and they actually respond if that doesn't work I'll find the email I used.

They need to know about this because they're using foursquare for their points 
of interest and that's highly unreliable in my opinion.

They're looking at using Apple Maps I believe for points of interest.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert





On Sep 25, 2020, at 7:31 PM, kitty hevener mailto:kheve...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

 

So glad u enlightened me in that it can be used indoors and outdoors.  I did a 
look around in my neighborhood and discovered that some of the info is correct, 
but there is one or two places that have been closed for quite a while and the 
buildings are not there.  Wonder who I can contact to make the correction.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

 

It works fine outdoors.

It is designed to take advantage of indoor navigation if it is available, but 
its main function is for use outdoors.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
kitty hevener
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

 

Richard, have u used good maps explore outdoors?  If u have, how does it 
compare to nearby explorer?  I thought it was indoor only.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 8:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

 

Christine,In my opinion, Apple Maps is harder to use with VoiceOver, though it 
can somehow be set to give more street information.Good Maps Explore or Nearby 
Explorer online, are the best two free apps that will combine turn-by-turn 
directions with providing the street information Be aware that Points of 
Interest are only as accurate as the digital map data, and depending on the 
source, it can be several years out off date.

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:54 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

 Thanks for this. 

Kristeen

 

 

On Sep 24, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Yes.

If you just want turn-by-turn directions either walking or driving, Google Maps 
is very good.

If you want something that will tell you about the streets you are crossing, 
and points of interest nearby, Lazarillo is very good and free.

It can also give you walking turn-by-turn directions within the app, or can 
launch Google Maps and it will still give you information about the streets.

I find the Points of Interest a little too distracting, so I turn off the 
explore mode which is on by default when you launch Lazarillo.  It is a button 
at the top of the screen so easy to get to and turn off.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

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Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 10:04 AM
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RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

[Robin]

Also ForGot to Mention:
the  Blood Oxygen Monitor is Only  on the Series6 AppleWatch
At 12:15 PM 9/26/2020, you wrote:
It was MyUnderStanding that the ECG  is 
ON  Apple's Series4 & Series5 AppleWatch  In 
AdditionTo its NewlyReleased Series6 AppleWatch, 
but Not Present ON  Apple's NEW AppleWatchSE


As Far as  (I  Know) the Series6 AppleWatch has 
an Improved Processor & always on altimeter


the Series5 AppleWatch comes EquippedWith  Always ON
At 11:57 AM 9/26/2020, you wrote:


From my reading, the ECG is only on the 6.

The 6 has the always on retina display, and I 
believe the always on altimeter?


The next step up in processors, I̢۪m not 
clear on thethe exact names of the watch 
processors, but it is next one up in the series so a faster processor.




Beyond that, I̢۪m not sure.

>





Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the 
bridge over which he must pass himself,†and 
we forget that only grace can break the ccycle 
of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is 
notable that while I have regretted not 
granting grace to others, I̢۪ve never once 
regretretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert




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 On Behalf Of i...@michaelhingson.com

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6



Michael Hingson Hi all,



I don̢۪t recall seeing any comparison between 
the jusjust released model 6 and the previous 
model 5 of the iWatch. Might someone please 
summarize the actual differences? What do you 
get with the 6 that you do not get with the 5. 
I am familiar with the oximeter, but what other differences exist? Thanks.






Best Regards,





Michael Hingson

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RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

[Robin]

It was MyUnderStanding that the ECG  is 
ON  Apple's Series4 & Series5 AppleWatch  In 
AdditionTo its NewlyReleased Series6 AppleWatch, 
but Not Present ON  Apple's NEW AppleWatchSE


As Far as  (I  Know) the Series6 AppleWatch has 
an Improved Processor & always on altimeter


the Series5 AppleWatch comes EquippedWith  Always ON
At 11:57 AM 9/26/2020, you wrote:


From my reading, the ECG is only on the 6.

The 6 has the always on retina display, and I believe the always on altimeter?

The next step up in processors, I’m not clear 
on the exact names of the watch processors, but 
it is next one up in the series so a faster processor.




Beyond that, I’m not sure.







Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge 
over which he must pass himself,† and we 
forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable 
that while I have regretted not granting grace 
to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert




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Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6



Michael Hingson Hi all,



I don’t recall seeing any comparison between 
the just released model 6 and the previous model 
5 of the iWatch. Might someone please summarize 
the actual differences? What do you get with the 
6 that you do not get with the 5. I am familiar 
with the oximeter, but what other differences exist? Thanks.






Best Regards,





Michael Hingson

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RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

[Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND]

Just for the sake of correctness, it is the Apple Watch, not an iWatch.




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [viphone@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Richard 
Turner [richardturne...@outlook.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 2:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

I believe they both have GPS, but one has cellular onboard and the other 
doesn’t.
I’m considering the series 6 and they have one that is gps and one that is 
gps/cellular.
I never leave my home without my phone, so I will go for the one without the 
cellular if I decide to do that.
.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks a million Chris. I have another question for you if you do not mind, How 
different is the GPS version from other versions of the iWatch?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do you guys think of iWatch six?


The main reason some people choose to get the cell model is for that exact 
reason, you can actually leave your home without your phone if you want. So 
yes, with the cell model, you can make and receive calls without your phone, as 
well as send and receive messages. Just know, making phone calls on your watch 
can drain the battery more quickly.

I also wanted to mention that you can also make and receive calls on the non 
cell model as long as your phone is within some distance. So this can come in 
handy if you do not want to take your phone out of your pocket.

Hope this helps.

Chris


On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Cris Ali 
mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
 Okay Simon. I have another question for you. Is your iWatch cellular or 
bluetooth? What are the exact advantages of the cellular type? For instance, if 
you leave your phone at home and you walk down the street, would you still be 
able to receive a phone call on your watch and answer it?
Cheers,
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

They wont use up a lot but they wil increase usage when they are in action,

But I would think you should get a good day plus out of the battery.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks Simon,
I want the iWatch six for the health features it has to offer, The oxygen level 
monitor, the heart rate monitor and such. I imagine they would consume a lot of 
battery power.
Cheers,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Chris,

I’ve had an apple watch 1 the original,
A series 2 and now a series 4,

None of them have given me more than 2 days battery life at a stretch,

I can get slightly more but not enough to say it made a difference.
But it realy depends on what you are doing in your day and what services / 
features on the watch you have running as they will burn up more battery life 
the more you have running at the time.

Especially with things like the Blood o2 meter as it has LED’s that tell you 
it’s working so they will add to the usage.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Hi folks,
I have to admit that I never thought of an iWatch until now. The great medical 
sensors in iWatch six make it more appealing to me than previous watches.
However, I noticed that the apple conference in September 15 never mentioned 
anything about the battery life of this iWatch. Did anyone on this list buy it? 
If so, What do you think of its battery life? I appreciate any comments on this 
watch in general and battery life in particular.

Cris Ali
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Re: Iphone and Echo Alexa

[Marty Hutchings]

Is the Aux jack on the Echo an input or output?  to connect your Stream, you 
need the jack to be an input for it to work.




Love in Christ
Marty
If we view this present life as our primary goal, we will agree with William 
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fury, signifying nothing.” From TODAY IN THE WORD June 1, 2020
-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Hendrickson

Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone and Echo Alexa

There may be a button to switch to aux output.  I don't have an echo.
I'm considering purchasing one myself.  Also, I'm sure you can't do
both, have the echo connected to your iPhone via bluetooth and use it
with an aux cable plugged in at the same time.  Good luck.

On 9/26/20, Andrew J. LaPointe  wrote:

Hello, I just purchased the echo plus.  I have no problem having my phone
going through the Echo but, I also wanted to plug my first gen v stream
with
the aux cable. I cannot get the stream to get sound with the echo.  Should
I
be able to accomplish this?  I spoke with amazon and they said I need a 
3.5

milim connection.  I believe that is what I have and it plugs in fine to
the
echo and the stream.  Andy and Shubert

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RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

[Richard Turner]

>From my reading, the ECG is only on the 6.
The 6 has the always on retina display, and I believe the always on altimeter?
The next step up in processors, I’m not clear on the exact names of the watch 
processors, but it is next one up in the series so a faster processor.

Beyond that, I’m not sure.



Richard
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himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

Michael Hingson Hi all,

I don’t recall seeing any comparison between the just released model 6 and the 
previous model 5 of the iWatch. Might someone please summarize the actual 
differences? What do you get with the 6 that you do not get with the 5. I am 
familiar with the oximeter, but what other differences exist? Thanks.


Best Regards,


Michael Hingson
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Re: Deleting apps from the watch

[Shirley Baker]

Just remember when you get to dock, double tap on edit first and then to 
arrange apps on your watch.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:46 PM, Shirley Baker  wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry. I made one mistake. When removing an app, it should be move down, 
> move up and then remove from watch once you go to dock and edit.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
>> 
>> I can't find my notes on this.  Please tell me how to delete apps from the 
>> watch.  Can I get rid of things like world clock, or only the apps I have 
>> added.  Apple sure loads up the watch with apps I'm not interested in.
>> Thanks
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RE: comparison of iWatch 5 and iWatch 6

[info]

Michael Hingson Hi all,

 

I don’t recall seeing any comparison between the just released model 6 and the 
previous model 5 of the iWatch. Might someone please summarize the actual 
differences? What do you get with the 6 that you do not get with the 5. I am 
familiar with the oximeter, but what other differences exist? Thanks.

 

 

Best Regards,

 

 

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RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

[Richard Turner]

Soundscape is really best used with bone conduction headphones since it speaks 
the streets and points of interest out of the side the street or building is on.
For example, where I live, there are lots of places where streets do not go 
through the intersection directly, but might be a half a block apart where the 
cross street continues.
So, if you are walking down the street you might hear 31st ave out of the 
leftear.  Walk a bit further and you might hear 31st ave out of the right ear.
That information is confusing if you are not wearing headphones and you don’t 
want to be earing headphones unless they are bone conduction so your ears are 
open to hearing the traffic, people etc.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 4:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

Microsoft Soundscape.  It is free.  Interesting program.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
terrie...@twc.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

GoodMaps Explorer does do outdoors. I just installed it and looked at POIs from 
inside my bedroom. It seemed accurate about what I know is around me. I like 
its tabs at the bottom of the screen; they make sense to me. It is a free 
download. Not sure if its maps are on line or are part of the download, though 
the download was fast so I conjecture that maps are online and not downloaded.
Will share more after I have used it outside.

A caviat about indoor maps for this application: someone has to map a space by 
walking around it with a backpack of equipment. I saw two places that had 
indoor maps within five miles of me: American Printing House for the Blind and 
the McDowell Rehabilitation Center, the state rehab facility for persons with 
visual impairments. Although the maps do not rely on installation of beacons or 
other hardware that must be maintained and powered , they do require someone 
with requisite equipment to walk around the space on all floors and then there 
are three more steps in making the maps. It is a good idea, but indoor mapping 
may be limited by how many facilities want to pay to be mapped and how many 
backpacks of equipment are floating around the country to be used to get the 
first level of map data.

On the plus side, this company is offering other applications of this 
technology, e.g., first responders. I would think such data could also be 
useful in coal mines when miners need to get out fast and can’t see because of 
smoke from a fire. Many facilities might be inclined to pay for initial map 
making for use in emergencies. This data would also make indoor maps for 
GoodMaps Explore.
Best,
Terrie Terlau


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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

Richard, have u used good maps explore outdoors?  If u have, how does it 
compare to nearby explorer?  I thought it was indoor only.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 8:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

Christine,In my opinion, Apple Maps is harder to use with VoiceOver, though it 
can somehow be set to give more street information.Good Maps Explore or Nearby 
Explorer online, are the best two free apps that will combine turn-by-turn 
directions with providing the street information Be aware that Points of 
Interest are only as accurate as the digital map data, and depending on the 
source, it can be several years out off date.


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:54 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
 Thanks for this.
Kristeen


On Sep 24, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Yes.
If you just want turn-by-turn directions either walking or driving, Google Maps 
is 

Re: Native mail app

[Alex Stone]

So would I.

> On 26 Sep 2020, at 19:13, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> I would expand the htread first rather than using the messages item on the 
> rotor.
> So, before opening the thread, flick up a couple of times to expand thread 
> and double tap.
> Then, each message is separated.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
> Stone
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:05 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Native mail app
> 
> When using threaded messages in mail, how do I I care to voiceover which 
> message I want to reply to?
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BlindSquare update

[Richard Turner]

BlindSquare has a major update September 25, 2020.  Please share widely.

BlindSquare,
1. Speech Recognition. Apple has made dramatic improvements with Speech 
Recognition.   Starting with version 5.0 we now use Apple's own in-device 
service, free for use in all BlindSquare versions.
2. Apple Watch Support.  Our community has asked for Apple Watch Support.  With 
BlindSquare version 5.0, all generations of Apple Watch are now supported with 
primary features. The feature list will expand in future versions. BlindSquare, 
on the iPhone,  must be running when being controlled from the Apple Watch.
Apple Watch menu selections currently include:
- SLEEP
- LOOK Around
- ADD Place
- Change announcement radius
- WHERE am I
- Around me
If you are tracking a place, its distance and direction are announced 
automatically always when you glance at the Watch App.
For people who have Apple Watch 5 (or newer) BlindSquare makes use of the new 
on-board compass providing directional support for LOOK Around, simply by 
rotating the watch in the direction of your interest!You can select "LOOK 
Around" by voice command, from the iOS APP or using the BlindSquare Apple Watch 
menu.
BlindSquare will use the Apple Watch Gen  5 compass for LOOK Around whenever 
the arm/watch is lifted.
Turning the arm/watch will provide new compass directions to BlindSquare with 
immediate reports on locations in proximity in the current direction.
3. BlindSquare PHOTO POI.  BlindSquare can now create personal POIs from photos 
on your iPhone.  These photos can be your own or those shared from friends.   
BlindSquare uses the location data, recorded automatically when location 
service is enabled, to create the geo referenced POI.
Actions: 1. Go to the PHOTO's app on your iPhone.
2. Select ONE photo
3. Select "SHARE"
4. Select the new option "BlindSquare"  (NOTE: multiple images or videos are 
not supported)
5. Provide a comment or name and select "POST"
6. BlindSquare will launch and show "Place Screen" for the location where the 
photo was taken.  You can FAVOURITE, save it, simulate, look on the map, etc. 
NOTE: BlindSquare uses EXIF metadata.  Location Services must be enabled when 
the picture is taken for EXIF metadata to be recorded and available.

Other changes:
- When sharing your location, Latitude and Longitude are provided in EMAIL 
subject and in SMS MESSAGES.
- If the pedometer is disabled from "SHAKE SETTINGS" it will also disable 
automatic announcements
- Now supports dark mode and color preferences
BlindSquare, now in its 8th year, will continue to build new and exciting 
features into BlindSquare version 5. , Version 5.0 * 66 MB


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert



Richard
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himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert




Richard
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himself," and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
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others, I've never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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Re: Native mail app

[Pete Nalda]

Yeah, you can access a reply button with a message open. 

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> On Sep 26, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> I would expand the htread first rather than using the messages item on the 
> rotor.
> So, before opening the thread, flick up a couple of times to expand thread 
> and double tap.
> Then, each message is separated.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Alex 
> Stone
> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:05 AM
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> When using threaded messages in mail, how do I I care to voiceover which 
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RE: Native mail app

[Richard Turner]

I would expand the htread first rather than using the messages item on the 
rotor.
So, before opening the thread, flick up a couple of times to expand thread and 
double tap.
Then, each message is separated.

HTH,


Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

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When using threaded messages in mail, how do I I care to voiceover which 
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RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

[Richard Turner]

I believe they both have GPS, but one has cellular onboard and the other 
doesn’t.
I’m considering the series 6 and they have one that is gps and one that is 
gps/cellular.
I never leave my home without my phone, so I will go for the one without the 
cellular if I decide to do that.
.



Richard
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among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks a million Chris. I have another question for you if you do not mind, How 
different is the GPS version from other versions of the iWatch?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do you guys think of iWatch six?


The main reason some people choose to get the cell model is for that exact 
reason, you can actually leave your home without your phone if you want. So 
yes, with the cell model, you can make and receive calls without your phone, as 
well as send and receive messages. Just know, making phone calls on your watch 
can drain the battery more quickly.

I also wanted to mention that you can also make and receive calls on the non 
cell model as long as your phone is within some distance. So this can come in 
handy if you do not want to take your phone out of your pocket.

Hope this helps.

Chris


On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Cris Ali 
mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
 Okay Simon. I have another question for you. Is your iWatch cellular or 
bluetooth? What are the exact advantages of the cellular type? For instance, if 
you leave your phone at home and you walk down the street, would you still be 
able to receive a phone call on your watch and answer it?
Cheers,
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

They wont use up a lot but they wil increase usage when they are in action,

But I would think you should get a good day plus out of the battery.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks Simon,
I want the iWatch six for the health features it has to offer, The oxygen level 
monitor, the heart rate monitor and such. I imagine they would consume a lot of 
battery power.
Cheers,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Chris,

I’ve had an apple watch 1 the original,
A series 2 and now a series 4,

None of them have given me more than 2 days battery life at a stretch,

I can get slightly more but not enough to say it made a difference.
But it realy depends on what you are doing in your day and what services / 
features on the watch you have running as they will burn up more battery life 
the more you have running at the time.

Especially with things like the Blood o2 meter as it has LED’s that tell you 
it’s working so they will add to the usage.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Hi folks,
I have to admit that I never thought of an iWatch until now. The great medical 
sensors in iWatch six make it more appealing to me than previous watches.
However, I noticed that the apple conference in September 15 never mentioned 
anything about the battery life of this iWatch. Did anyone on this list buy it? 
If so, What do you think of its battery life? I appreciate any comments on this 
watch in general and battery life in particular.

Cris Ali
filasti...@hotmail.com

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Re: looking for an app that gives the time every hour

[Barbara Stahl]

>
> So what is the difference between the chime by black tree app and the time
> chime app? Or are they the same app?
>
>

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Re: Home Screen on 14.

[Pete Nalda]

Yes, 14 does have an App Library. But it is after the last page. It therefore 
is an option. In the library there are two modes. The first is a grouping page, 
then if you want to see a list of all your apps alphabetically, you swipe down. 

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> On Sep 26, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I am still at 13.7. I heard from a sighted friend that with
> 14, the Home Page goes to a library. Back in the day, she
> was a computer programmer, but is rather perplexed by this
> change and having a bit of a time with it. She's sighted. 
> 
> So, I'm asking, what does she mean by that, and how would I
> open apps other than asking Siri to do it, which I am not in
> the habit of doing?
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Native mail app

[Alex Stone]

When using threaded messages in mail, how do I I care to voiceover which 
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RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

[Cris Ali]

Thanks a million Chris. I have another question for you if you do not mind, How 
different is the GPS version from other versions of the iWatch?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Chris 
Chaffin
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: What do you guys think of iWatch six?


The main reason some people choose to get the cell model is for that exact 
reason, you can actually leave your home without your phone if you want. So 
yes, with the cell model, you can make and receive calls without your phone, as 
well as send and receive messages. Just know, making phone calls on your watch 
can drain the battery more quickly.

I also wanted to mention that you can also make and receive calls on the non 
cell model as long as your phone is within some distance. So this can come in 
handy if you do not want to take your phone out of your pocket.

Hope this helps.

Chris



On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Cris Ali 
mailto:filasti...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
 Okay Simon. I have another question for you. Is your iWatch cellular or 
bluetooth? What are the exact advantages of the cellular type? For instance, if 
you leave your phone at home and you walk down the street, would you still be 
able to receive a phone call on your watch and answer it?
Cheers,
Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

They wont use up a lot but they wil increase usage when they are in action,

But I would think you should get a good day plus out of the battery.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:31 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Thanks Simon,
I want the iWatch six for the health features it has to offer, The oxygen level 
monitor, the heart rate monitor and such. I imagine they would consume a lot of 
battery power.
Cheers,


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Simon 
A Fogarty
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Chris,

I’ve had an apple watch 1 the original,
A series 2 and now a series 4,

None of them have given me more than 2 days battery life at a stretch,

I can get slightly more but not enough to say it made a difference.
But it realy depends on what you are doing in your day and what services / 
features on the watch you have running as they will burn up more battery life 
the more you have running at the time.

Especially with things like the Blood o2 meter as it has LED’s that tell you 
it’s working so they will add to the usage.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Cris 
Ali
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:36 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

Hi folks,
I have to admit that I never thought of an iWatch until now. The great medical 
sensors in iWatch six make it more appealing to me than previous watches.
However, I noticed that the apple conference in September 15 never mentioned 
anything about the battery life of this iWatch. Did anyone on this list buy it? 
If so, What do you think of its battery life? I appreciate any comments on this 
watch in general and battery life in particular.

Cris Ali
filasti...@hotmail.com

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Re: IOS 14.0.1 is out

[Richard Turner]

That is not happening for me.
I am running the beta of 14.2 however.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 26, 2020, at 9:12 AM, Johnna Simmons  wrote:

Does anyone know if iOS is ever going to fix the fact that when you read an 
email message in your inbox and deleted it jumps back to the very beginning of 
your inbox. You cannot scroll through messages in the middle. So I guess, if 
you want to delete anything within your inbox it has to be at the beginning.

Johnna Simmons

On Sep 24, 2020, at 2:20 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

For my part, I'm not as pessimistic, and I won't be jumping to conclusions but 
rather, I'll be installing this update and taking a look for myself.

I'm glad you've never run into a "bug" on Android. I'm not saying it's any 
worse then the iPhone, but I've definitely seen my share of Android, Talk Back, 
and Voice Assistant bugs.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Robin
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 14.0.1 is out

Not Likely, as Apple doesn't Prioritize  Bug Fixes for TotallyBlind users of 
Apple's
VoiceOver ...Remember, You're IN Line, & Not at  The Begining either, so You'll
have to Wait until YourTurn comes up

Personally, I  have Never encountered any "Bugs"
AssociatedWith  Google'sAndroid on  My SamsungGalaxy MobilePhones

I've  Turned OFF  AutomaticUpdates on Both of  My iOSDevices: XS MAX, which
is on iOS12.4.1  & 11PRO, which is on iOS13.7

At 11:04 AM 9/24/2020, you wrote:
this update says bug fixes. Hopefully they included some of the VO
issues we're having.

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RE: am I missing something?????

[Carolyn]

The list saved me from 14; applevis.com would not have done so. 

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Ann
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 11:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: am I missing something?

Questions and opinions are allowed on the list. I might have trashed a 
perfectly good iPhone recently if not for some very simple advice that came 
from this list. And BTW, I did post on AppleVis about the same problem, but got 
no help at all.





and, sometimes, I want to hear the opinion of other users concerning what they 
feel is the best apps, and their experiences with such apps. And it's easier to 
do this through email than having to use something that is forum based.





I hope it never comes down to a list wide attitude of "You'd better have 
exhausted all other sources before you dare to ask a question and annoy us" on 
the list. That is not what I signed up for years ago.




There are plenty of ways to manage unwanted email. Set your sorting preferences 
to threaded, if possible. Set your subscription to a digest mode if the 
frequency of mail is too overwhelming for you. And if it's what people are 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
   On Behalf Of Fred 
Olver
Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 2:45 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: am I missing something?

 

No, it is not what I am saying. I have seen times when individuals have 
sent four to six messages to the list when one would have sufficed. I have seen 
messages which I pointed out in mine like what recording app should I get, or 
what GPS app is the best? There is no best it is all subjective, and you know 
what they say about opinions.

 

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Re: Not enough space to update watch

[Shirley Baker]

You could also call apple accessibility. Some of those people are very 
knowledgable. If it hadn't been for one of those people, I might not have been 
able to get the voice back on my watch. I had to unpair and pair it back in 
order for it to work again but first she had me press both side and crown 
buttons down at the same time to see if that would work and it didn't.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
> 
> When I set my series III watch to update, I get the message that there isn't 
> enough space and I should go into the phone, watch app, to delete things.  I 
> dont find a place in the watch app to delete items.  I have tried following 
> shirley's instructions on deleting apps using the watch, but I can't get to 
> the delete command.
> 
> How can I make this happen?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Ann
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Re: Iphone and Echo Alexa

[Joshua Hendrickson]

There may be a button to switch to aux output.  I don't have an echo.
I'm considering purchasing one myself.  Also, I'm sure you can't do
both, have the echo connected to your iPhone via bluetooth and use it
with an aux cable plugged in at the same time.  Good luck.

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> going through the Echo but, I also wanted to plug my first gen v stream
> with
> the aux cable. I cannot get the stream to get sound with the echo.  Should
> I
> be able to accomplish this?  I spoke with amazon and they said I need a 3.5
> milim connection.  I believe that is what I have and it plugs in fine to
> the
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Re: Not enough space to update watch

[Shirley Baker]

Maybe you should unpair and pair your watch again or search on Google how to 
delete apps from your watch. In the meantime, I will both read my book from NBP 
"You and Your Apple Watch" and the tutorial from Mystic Access and see if they 
say anything about it. I've deleted apps from my watch but I did it on the 
watch itself and not from the watch app on the phone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2020, at 10:09 AM, Ann Byrne  wrote:
> 
> When I set my series III watch to update, I get the message that there isn't 
> enough space and I should go into the phone, watch app, to delete things.  I 
> dont find a place in the watch app to delete items.  I have tried following 
> shirley's instructions on deleting apps using the watch, but I can't get to 
> the delete command.
> 
> How can I make this happen?
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Ann
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RE: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions

[Carolyn]

Definitely, I always call. 

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Afik Souffir
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Auto reply, and its happend often.
I suggest calling to them.


Sent from my Iphone

> On 25 Sep 2020, at 22:30, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> I sent a question to Apple accessibility a couple of days ago, inquiring 
> whether they knew if any of the workouts to be featured in the new Apple 
> fitness service will be audio described. I got a form letter that said thank 
> you for your feedback. We have passed it on to the appropriate department. 
> that tells me they didn’t even read it. I didn’t have feedback. I had a 
> question, a specific one. So at the very least, the reply should’ve said 
> something about I don’t know, but we will check into it and get back to you. 
> But passing it along to the appropriate department? That tells me exactly 
> nothing except that they’ve actually didn’t read my question. I wonder how 
> common this is for them.
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RE: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions

[Carolyn]

I think that is their standard auto reply to any inquiry. 

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Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 3:30 PM
To: VIPhone via 
Subject: Apple accessibility doesn’t answer questions

I sent a question to Apple accessibility a couple of days ago, inquiring 
whether they knew if any of the workouts to be featured in the new Apple 
fitness service will be audio described. I got a form letter that said thank 
you for your feedback. We have passed it on to the appropriate department. that 
tells me they didn’t even read it. I didn’t have feedback. I had a question, a 
specific one. So at the very least, the reply should’ve said something about I 
don’t know, but we will check into it and get back to you. But passing it along 
to the appropriate department? That tells me exactly nothing except that 
they’ve actually didn’t read my question. I wonder how common this is for them.


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RE: 14 Stuff

[Carolyn]

Usually late Eastern Time is a good time to call, so they must be really 
jammed. 

Regardless if they fix it all, I still am perplexed about it changing my Homne 
Page, which I have worked so hard to taylor to my taste. From what I heard, I 
don't understand it, have not a clue of how to find or open apps. 

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Anne West
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 3:16 PM
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Happy Friday to all!

 

My iPhone 8 is being very strange. I will answer a question and note some 
“bugs” and issues I’ve never had until 14.

 

First, when I reply to a text read in the messaging app, I simply swipe right 
to the edit box. I do a 1 finger double tap and it opens. I don’t get the weird 
repeating letters.

 

When I downloaded and installed 14 last week and when I downloaded and 
installed yesterday’s update, my phone came up on the screen as if I powered on 
for the first time. I had to call Apple for help both times. Why is my phone 
doing that? Apple advisors are stressed out to the max I’m sure. I was on hold 
over an hour yesterday late evening eastern time.

 

When I dictate a message, there are times my phone seems to be using Siri as I 
hear the double tone. That malady is as of installing 14. Sometimes, I hear the 
single tone when dictating. I guess my texts  are okay when delivered. Haven’t 
heard any complaints! And yes, I do the 2 finger double tap to start and stop 
dictation. Anyone have that experience besides me?

 

My phone continues to jump around after yesterday’s install. I’m thinking we 
will have several beg fixing updates. My mother used to say, “Rome wasn’t built 
in a day” in her beautiful Swedish accent.

 

Anne

 

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RE: am I missing something?????

[Carolyn]

I agree with that, and am thinking that periodically a new lister comes on, who 
has just gotten started with Apple products and would have questions to ask. 

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Casey Wollner
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 12:53 PM
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Hi okay then why do we have this list if we can’t ask questions on it?

If we can qall just go to applevis then we really don’t need this list then 
right?

Is that what you are saying?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fred 
Olver
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: am I missing something?

 

I have been subscribed to this list now, probably for more than ten years, 
maybe I should say since I purchased my IPhone 4, whenever that was. For the 
most part, I find the threads both useful and interesting, however when I see a 
question like "What would be a good GPS app, or What would be a good recording 
app etc., I start to wonder if I want to continue to be part of this list. As 
most of you know, there is a website, http://www.applevis.com which is a 
repository of information which can not be overshadowed by any other when it 
comes to information about the usefulness of particular app's for blind and 
visually impaired individuals. I urge each one of you who feel the need to ask 
questions which you could easily find the answers yourself from this site to go 
there and have a look at all the information which is available. There are 
lists of app's concerning various needs or wants, there are podcasts for those 
who feel they need further assistance in becoming familiar with a specific 
application and you may just come away with more than you expected. Please, 
before you bring a question to the list, consider finding the answer at 
http://www.applevis.com  and thank you.

 

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RE: applevis.com has no search box

[Carolyn]

I think, when I got my SE two and a half years ago, it was more helpful than it 
currently is.  

Of course, the Hadley videos and this list have been more helpful to me. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Shirley Baker
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box

The last time I was on applevis, which hasn't been too long ago, I got the same 
info so I just gave up. It's not as accessible as it was as some people want to 
think.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Richard Turner 
 wrote:



 

Following up on the comment about people needing to use Applevos.com 
before asking questions on this list…

I just went to Applevis.com with Microsoft Edge and with Firefox.

 

There are no search boxes, none, nada, nowhere.

 

If you are looking for information on an app, you cannot simply search 
for it.

You have to drill down through many pages to get anything.

Even, after following the link from the main page titled, “Apps,” and 
you find the heading for Apps, it says:

Apps

article

Here at AppleVis we strive to make it easier for you to find great and 
accessible apps to use on Apple products.

From this page, you can browse and search our directories of iOS, 
iPadOS, Mac, Apple Watch, and Apple TV apps; see what apps others are 
recommending; and

see which iOS and iPadOS apps our community has inducted into our Hall 
Of Fame.

 

So, I followed the link to search, then you have a bunch (I was going 
to say s***load, but thought better of it) of more links with not a search box 
anywhere to be found.

 

So, at this point, applevis is only marginally useful, especially for 
someone who is a beginner.

 

I have been using iDevices since they became accessible and can find 
what I need most of the time without resorting to asking too many questions on 
the list, but I used to always refer people to Applevis, especially for their 
blog about updates, and I will still recommend that.

But as a source to find information about specific apps, or just apps 
in general, it is a crazy rabbit-warren of trails that I won’t be bothering 
with.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting 
grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 



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RE: am I missing something?????

[Don Moore]

You’re not!  Just that some folks have different expectations of a list than 
most of us do.  If we had 30 hours in a day or more we probably could look up 
everything we needed to know assuming it was readily available.  For those 
impatient with the questions, that is, after all, why they invented the delete 
key.  Ignore people like that.  Maybe they’ll go away!!
 
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
jo Hart
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: am I missing something?
 
I believe most people are looking for what works for them , here. The ability 
to have ease of use and accessibility as well as product information.  I 
haven’t the time to look every thing up and am personally grateful that there 
are people here that do.  I am also grateful that all of you refrain from 
ridicule because I have no technical savvy whatsoever.  That’s not too say I 
haven’t took time to do my research.  I love this list and it is for the most 
part not judge mental when people do so.  I do however know how to use the 
delete button and a little tolerance is the key.  If we all felt that way this 
list would be non-existent.
Jo
 
On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:37 AM Ann  wrote:








 
Questions and opinions are allowed on the list. I might have

trashed a perfectly good iPhone recently if not for some very

simple advice that came from this list. And BTW, I did post on

AppleVis about the same problem, but got no help at all.


 



 
and, sometimes, I want to hear the opinion of other users

concerning what they feel is the best apps, and their experiences

with such apps. And it's easier to do this through email than

having to use something that is forum based.


 



 
I hope it never comes down to a list wide attitude of "You'd

better have exhausted all other sources before you dare to ask a

question and annoy us" on the list. That is not what I signed up

for years ago.
 



 
There are plenty of ways to manage unwanted email. Set your

sorting preferences to threaded, if possible. Set your

subscription to a digest mode if the frequency of mail is too

overwhelming for you. And if it's what people are saying or how

they say it that bothers you, then anyone is free to remove

themselves from any list at any time.
 



 
~Ann
 



 



 





 



 
 
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com

  

On Behalf Of Fred Olver


Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 2:45 pm


To: viphone@googlegroups.com


Subject: Re: am I missing something?
 
 
 
 
 
 
No, it is not what I am saying. I have seen

times when individuals have sent four to six messages to

the list when one would have sufficed. I have seen

messages which I pointed out in mine like what recording

app should I get, or what GPS app is the best? There is no

best it is all subjective, and you know what they say

about opinions.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: Home Screen on 14.

[chaltain]

The apps library becomes an option in IOS 14, but other than the fact that it's 
an option for you to use, nothing changes. You can still have your same home 
pages and continue to use them just as you do now.

You can get to the apps library by just flicking past your last home page, and 
this will take you to the library. Apple will group your apps into categories 
for you, but with a three finger swipe down, you can get an alphabetized list 
of your apps.

You can remove apps from your home pages but still get to them in your library. 
You can configure your home pages to put new apps directly into the library and 
not put them on a home page.

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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> 
> I am still at 13.7. I heard from a sighted friend that with 14, the Home Page 
> goes
> to a library. Back in the day, she was a computer programmer, but is rather
> perplexed by this change and having a bit of a time with it. She's sighted.
> 
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Iphone and Echo Alexa

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

Hello, I just purchased the echo plus.  I have no problem having my phone
going through the Echo but, I also wanted to plug my first gen v stream with
the aux cable. I cannot get the stream to get sound with the echo.  Should I
be able to accomplish this?  I spoke with amazon and they said I need a 3.5
milim connection.  I believe that is what I have and it plugs in fine to the
echo and the stream.  Andy and Shubert

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Re: am I missing something?????

[jo Hart]

I believe most people are looking for what works for them , here. The
ability to have ease of use and accessibility as well as product
information.  I haven’t the time to look every thing up and am personally
grateful that there are people here that do.  I am also grateful that all
of you refrain from ridicule because I have no technical savvy whatsoever.
That’s not too say I haven’t took time to do my research.  I love this list
and it is for the most part not judge mental when people do so.  I do
however know how to use the delete button and a little tolerance is the
key.  If we all felt that way this list would be non-existent.
Jo

On Sat, Sep 26, 2020 at 11:37 AM Ann  wrote:

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> Questions and opinions are allowed on the list. I might have
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>
> simple advice that came from this list. And BTW, I did post on
>
> AppleVis about the same problem, but got no help at all.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> and, sometimes, I want to hear the opinion of other users
>
> concerning what they feel is the best apps, and their experiences
>
> with such apps. And it's easier to do this through email than
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> having to use something that is forum based.
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
> I hope it never comes down to a list wide attitude of "You'd
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>
> question and annoy us" on the list. That is not what I signed up
>
> for years ago.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> There are plenty of ways to manage unwanted email. Set your
>
> sorting preferences to threaded, if possible. Set your
>
> subscription to a digest mode if the frequency of mail is too
>
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>
> they say it that bothers you, then anyone is free to remove
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> ~Ann
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> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com
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> *On Behalf Of *Fred Olver
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> *Sent:* Saturday, 26 September 2020 2:45 pm
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>
> No, it is not what I am saying. I have seen
>
> times when individuals have sent four to six messages to
>
> the list when one would have sufficed. I have seen
>
> messages which I pointed out in mine like what recording
>
> app should I get, or what GPS app is the best? There is no
>
> best it is all subjective, and you know what they say
>
> about opinions.
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Home Screen on 14.

[Carolyn]

I am still at 13.7. I heard from a sighted friend that with
14, the Home Page goes to a library. Back in the day, she
was a computer programmer, but is rather perplexed by this
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Re: IOS 14.0.1 is out

[Johnna Simmons]

Does anyone know if iOS is ever going to fix the fact that when you read an 
email message in your inbox and deleted it jumps back to the very beginning of 
your inbox. You cannot scroll through messages in the middle. So I guess, if 
you want to delete anything within your inbox it has to be at the beginning.

Johnna Simmons

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 2:20 PM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> For my part, I'm not as pessimistic, and I won't be jumping to conclusions 
> but rather, I'll be installing this update and taking a look for myself.
> 
> I'm glad you've never run into a "bug" on Android. I'm not saying it's any 
> worse then the iPhone, but I've definitely seen my share of Android, Talk 
> Back, and Voice Assistant bugs.
> 
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> Chaltain at Gmail
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Robin
>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS 14.0.1 is out
>> 
>> Not Likely, as Apple doesn't Prioritize  Bug Fixes for TotallyBlind users of 
>> Apple's
>> VoiceOver ...Remember, You're IN Line, & Not at  The Begining either, so 
>> You'll
>> have to Wait until YourTurn comes up
>> 
>> Personally, I  have Never encountered any "Bugs"
>> AssociatedWith  Google'sAndroid on  My SamsungGalaxy MobilePhones
>> 
>> I've  Turned OFF  AutomaticUpdates on Both of  My iOSDevices: XS MAX, which
>> is on iOS12.4.1  & 11PRO, which is on iOS13.7
>> 
>> At 11:04 AM 9/24/2020, you wrote:
>>> this update says bug fixes. Hopefully they included some of the VO
>>> issues we're having.
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Re: Switching languages on the fly within iOS14's "Translate" app?

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

If you are typing, then I would actually suggest turning of Automatically 
Detect Language. Then there are two listen buttons and two text boxes on the 
screen, one for each language. Choose the box for your language. It doesn't 
matter which side of the screen it's on, just that it's the right language.

Best,
Anna


> On Sep 26, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> Look for it on your last page of apps. It should be there.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
> 
>> El 26 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:51 a.m., Ignacio Suarez 
>>  escribió:
>> 
>> Where do you find the app? I have not found it in my phone. Thank you.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Bydefault, the app auto-detects languages, so you can speak or write 
>>> whichever one you want without having to change any settings. It figures 
>>> Out which language you are speaking and translates to the other one.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Sep 26, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 
 That is perfect feedback to send to Apple Accessibility or through the 
 feedback app if you are running the beta.
 The more people who request features directly to Apple, the more chance 
 there is it will be incorporated.
 
 
 
 
 Richard
 "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
 himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
 hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
 granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
 Edward Herbert
 
> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> I'm really enjoying the new "Translate" app that's in iOS14, but I wish 
> they'd incorporate a Switch option. Right now, it's kind of a bother 
> having to always change From and To, for instance, when wanting to just 
> switch around the translations when it comes to written! I usually have 
> it From Spanish to English, but sometimes I want to write something in 
> English to translate it to Spanish, having to go and switch the From and 
> To fields around! what I'd like is similar to Google's Translation app, 
> where you can just switch the languages around, instead of having to go 
> through the process, as described above.
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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RE: 14 Stuff

[Marvin Kotler]

I have a problem, also.  First I use hearing aids and like my phone to stream through them.  When I make or receive a phone call,  I like voiceover to be louder than everything else in case I have to press a key or such..  At the moment the only way I can accomplish this is to go to the roter   and audio destination and swipe it until default audio route is spoken.  Then the volume of voiceover increases.  It used to increase automatically, but not now.  Been working with apple for a couple days on this without resolution.  Just wondered if anyone else had this issue with resolution.Marvin Kotler Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Anne WestSent: Friday, September 25, 2020 12:16 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: 14 Stuff Happy Friday to all! My iPhone 8 is being very strange. I will answer a question and note some “bugs” and issues I’ve never had until 14. First, when I reply to a text read in the messaging app, I simply swipe right to the edit box. I do a 1 finger double tap and it opens. I don’t get the weird repeating letters. When I downloaded and installed 14 last week and when I downloaded and installed yesterday’s update, my phone came up on the screen as if I powered on for the first time. I had to call Apple for help both times. Why is my phone doing that? Apple advisors are stressed out to the max I’m sure. I was on hold over an hour yesterday late evening eastern time. When I dictate a message, there are times my phone seems to be using Siri as I hear the double tone. That malady is as of installing 14. Sometimes, I hear the single tone when dictating. I guess my texts  are okay when delivered. Haven’t heard any complaints! And yes, I do the 2 finger double tap to start and stop dictation. Anyone have that experience besides me? My phone continues to jump around after yesterday’s install. I’m thinking we will have several beg fixing updates. My mother used to say, “Rome wasn’t built in a day” in her beautiful Swedish accent. Anne -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/049601d69370%244e155750%24ea4005f0%24%40gmail.com. 



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Re: am I missing something?????

[Ann]

Questions and opinions are allowed on the list. I might have trashed a 
perfectly good iPhone recently if not for some very simple advice that 
came from this list. And BTW, I did post on AppleVis about the same 
problem, but got no help at all.



and, sometimes, I want to hear the opinion of other users concerning 
what they feel is the best apps, and their experiences with such apps. 
And it's easier to do this through email than having to use something 
that is forum based.



I hope it never comes down to a list wide attitude of "You'd better have 
exhausted all other sources before you dare to ask a question and annoy 
us" on the list. That is not what I signed up for years ago.



There are plenty of ways to manage unwanted email. Set your sorting 
preferences to threaded, if possible. Set your subscription to a digest 
mode if the frequency of mail is too overwhelming for you. And if it's 
what people are saying or how they say it that bothers you, then anyone 
is free to remove themselves from any list at any time.



~Ann




*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Fred Olver

*Sent:* Saturday, 26 September 2020 2:45 pm
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: am I missing something?

No, it is not what I am saying. I have seen times when individuals 
have sent four to six messages to the list when one would have 
sufficed. I have seen messages which I pointed out in mine like what 
recording app should I get, or what GPS app is the best? There is no 
best it is all subjective, and you know what they say about opinions.


Fred





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RE: user guide for the iPhone SE

[Richard Turner]

Yes, if you consider Apple Books to be a reasonable way to read it.
I’ve not seen an alternate version yet.  Well, I haven’t looked since the SE 
2nd generation since the last few were only in Apple Books.
Open the books app and search for Se user guide and see if you find it.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marvin 
Kotler
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: user guide for the iPhone SE

Good morning listers just wondering if there is a user guide for the iPhone SE 
that can be downloaded in a readable format.  Thanks
Marvin Kotler

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Re: Switching languages on the fly within iOS14's "Translate" app?

[Gerardo Corripio]

Look for it on your last page of apps. It should be there.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 26 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:51 a.m., Ignacio Suarez  
> escribió:
> 
> Where do you find the app? I have not found it in my phone. Thank you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Bydefault, the app auto-detects languages, so you can speak or write 
>> whichever one you want without having to change any settings. It figures Out 
>> which language you are speaking and translates to the other one.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Sep 26, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> That is perfect feedback to send to Apple Accessibility or through the 
>>> feedback app if you are running the beta.
>>> The more people who request features directly to Apple, the more chance 
>>> there is it will be incorporated.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - 
>>> Edward Herbert
>>> 
 On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
 
 I'm really enjoying the new "Translate" app that's in iOS14, but I wish 
 they'd incorporate a Switch option. Right now, it's kind of a bother 
 having to always change From and To, for instance, when wanting to just 
 switch around the translations when it comes to written! I usually have it 
 From Spanish to English, but sometimes I want to write something in 
 English to translate it to Spanish, having to go and switch the From and 
 To fields around! what I'd like is similar to Google's Translation app, 
 where you can just switch the languages around, instead of having to go 
 through the process, as described above.
 
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Re: Switching languages on the fly within iOS14's "Translate" app?

[Gerardo Corripio]

With speech yes, but with written stuff is where you need to go and switch the 
From and To languages around.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 26 sep 2020, a la(s) 9:38 a.m., Anna Dresner  escribió:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Bydefault, the app auto-detects languages, so you can speak or write 
> whichever one you want without having to change any settings. It figures Out 
> which language you are speaking and translates to the other one.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> That is perfect feedback to send to Apple Accessibility or through the 
>> feedback app if you are running the beta.
>> The more people who request features directly to Apple, the more chance 
>> there is it will be incorporated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm really enjoying the new "Translate" app that's in iOS14, but I wish 
>>> they'd incorporate a Switch option. Right now, it's kind of a bother having 
>>> to always change From and To, for instance, when wanting to just switch 
>>> around the translations when it comes to written! I usually have it From 
>>> Spanish to English, but sometimes I want to write something in English to 
>>> translate it to Spanish, having to go and switch the From and To fields 
>>> around! what I'd like is similar to Google's Translation app, where you can 
>>> just switch the languages around, instead of having to go through the 
>>> process, as described above.
>>> 
>>> Gera
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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[Marvin Kotler]

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Not enough space to update watch

[Ann Byrne]

When I set my series III watch to update, I get the message that 
there isn't enough space and I should go into the phone, watch app, 
to delete things.  I dont find a place in the watch app to delete 
items.  I have tried following shirley's instructions on deleting 
apps using the watch, but I can't get to the delete command.


How can I make this happen?

thanks,

Ann

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Re: Switching languages on the fly within iOS14's "Translate" app?

[Ignacio Suarez]

Where do you find the app? I have not found it in my phone. Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Bydefault, the app auto-detects languages, so you can speak or write 
> whichever one you want without having to change any settings. It figures Out 
> which language you are speaking and translates to the other one.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> That is perfect feedback to send to Apple Accessibility or through the 
>> feedback app if you are running the beta.
>> The more people who request features directly to Apple, the more chance 
>> there is it will be incorporated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
>> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
>> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
>> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
>> Herbert
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm really enjoying the new "Translate" app that's in iOS14, but I wish 
>>> they'd incorporate a Switch option. Right now, it's kind of a bother having 
>>> to always change From and To, for instance, when wanting to just switch 
>>> around the translations when it comes to written! I usually have it From 
>>> Spanish to English, but sometimes I want to write something in English to 
>>> translate it to Spanish, having to go and switch the From and To fields 
>>> around! what I'd like is similar to Google's Translation app, where you can 
>>> just switch the languages around, instead of having to go through the 
>>> process, as described above.
>>> 
>>> Gera
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Re: Switching languages on the fly within iOS14's "Translate" app?

[Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Bydefault, the app auto-detects languages, so you can speak or write whichever 
one you want without having to change any settings. It figures Out which 
language you are speaking and translates to the other one.

Best,
Anna


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2020, at 9:31 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> That is perfect feedback to send to Apple Accessibility or through the 
> feedback app if you are running the beta.
> The more people who request features directly to Apple, the more chance there 
> is it will be incorporated.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>>> 
>> I'm really enjoying the new "Translate" app that's in iOS14, but I wish 
>> they'd incorporate a Switch option. Right now, it's kind of a bother having 
>> to always change From and To, for instance, when wanting to just switch 
>> around the translations when it comes to written! I usually have it >From 
>> Spanish to English, but sometimes I want to write something in English to 
>> translate it to Spanish, having to go and switch the From and To fields 
>> around! what I'd like is similar to Google's Translation app, where you can 
>> just switch the languages around, instead of having to go through the 
>> process, as described above.
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Re: Switching languages on the fly within iOS14's "Translate" app?

[Richard Turner]

That is perfect feedback to send to Apple Accessibility or through the feedback 
app if you are running the beta.
The more people who request features directly to Apple, the more chance there 
is it will be incorporated.




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:

I'm really enjoying the new "Translate" app that's in iOS14, but I wish they'd 
incorporate a Switch option. Right now, it's kind of a bother having to always 
change From and To, for instance, when wanting to just switch around the 
translations when it comes to written! I usually have it From Spanish to 
English, but sometimes I want to write something in English to translate it to 
Spanish, having to go and switch the From and To fields around! what I'd like 
is similar to Google's Translation app, where you can just switch the languages 
around, instead of having to go through the process, as described above.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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Switching languages on the fly within iOS14's "Translate" app?

[Gerardo Corripio]

I'm really enjoying the new "Translate" app that's in iOS14, but I wish they'd 
incorporate a Switch option. Right now, it's kind of a bother having to always 
change From and To, for instance, when wanting to just switch around the 
translations when it comes to written! I usually have it From Spanish to 
English, but sometimes I want to write something in English to translate it to 
Spanish, having to go and switch the From and To fields around! what I'd like 
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around, instead of having to go through the process, as described above.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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RE: IOS 14.0.1 hasn't fixed jumpping around.

[davycuppens]

Hterefore most Americans on fb call it IOS Jump grin. 

 

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Simon A Fogarty
Verzonden: vrijdag 25 september 2020 8:02
Aan: only-apple-...@groups.io; viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: IOS 14.0.1 hasn't fixed jumpping around.

 

It’s good to see that the IOS14.0.1 update hasn’t done a lot,

 

The jumping around within apps is still definitely there.

 

 

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Re: What do you guys think of iWatch six?

[Chris Chaffin]

The main reason some people choose to get the cell model is for that exact 
reason, you can actually leave your home without your phone if you want. So 
yes, with the cell model, you can make and receive calls without your phone, as 
well as send and receive messages. Just know, making phone calls on your watch 
can drain the battery more quickly.

I also wanted to mention that you can also make and receive calls on the non 
cell model as long as your phone is within some distance. So this can come in 
handy if you do not want to take your phone out of your pocket.

Hope this helps.

Chris


> On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Cris Ali  wrote:
> 
>  Okay Simon. I have another question for you. Is your iWatch cellular or 
> bluetooth? What are the exact advantages of the cellular type? For instance, 
> if you leave your phone at home and you walk down the street, would you still 
> be able to receive a phone call on your watch and answer it?
> Cheers,
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:00 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> They wont use up a lot but they wil increase usage when they are in action,
>>  
>> But I would think you should get a good day plus out of the battery.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
>> Ali
>> Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 12:31 pm
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?
>>  
>> Thanks Simon,
>> I want the iWatch six for the health features it has to offer, The oxygen 
>> level monitor, the heart rate monitor and such. I imagine they would consume 
>> a lot of battery power.
>> Cheers,
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon 
>> A Fogarty
>> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 6:57 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: What do you guys think of iWatch six?
>>  
>> Chris,
>>  
>> I’ve had an apple watch 1 the original,
>> A series 2 and now a series 4,
>>  
>> None of them have given me more than 2 days battery life at a stretch,
>>  
>> I can get slightly more but not enough to say it made a difference.
>> But it realy depends on what you are doing in your day and what services / 
>> features on the watch you have running as they will burn up more battery 
>> life the more you have running at the time.
>>  
>> Especially with things like the Blood o2 meter as it has LED’s that tell you 
>> it’s working so they will add to the usage.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris 
>> Ali
>> Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 7:36 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: What do you guys think of iWatch six?
>>  
>> Hi folks,
>> I have to admit that I never thought of an iWatch until now. The great 
>> medical sensors in iWatch six make it more appealing to me than previous 
>> watches.
>> However, I noticed that the apple conference in September 15 never mentioned 
>> anything about the battery life of this iWatch. Did anyone on this list buy 
>> it? If so, What do you think of its battery life? I appreciate any comments 
>> on this watch in general and battery life in particular.
>>  
>> Cris Ali
>> filasti...@hotmail.com
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RE: Using the Kindle App on my iPhone

[Tom Rash]

You can also have your Alexa device do the reading for you on Kindle. 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Terri 
Stimmel
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 3:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Using the Kindle App on my iPhone

Hello everyone,


I was wondering, how accessible is the Kindle App?

I want to use it on my iPhone. I have installed it, and tried it. 
Although, I haven't messed with it much.

Can I only use whatever the current voiceover voice is set at? Or can I somehow 
change the voice that reads within the App?

I would think not. But I thought I would ask anyway.


Also, while reading, is there a way I could lock the screen, and still have it 
read?


Any help is much appreciated.


Thank you,


Terri

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RE: IOS 14.0.1 is out

[davycuppens]

The focus bug is even not yet resolved in betas of ios14.2 and that won't come 
out since October 15 when the release of new iphones is believed to be 
announced.
So wait, wait, wait!

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Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Carolyn
Verzonden: donderdag 24 september 2020 21:08
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: IOS 14.0.1 is out

I'll wait for 14.02, then. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 2:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 14.0.1 is out

Well, the fVoiceOver ocus bug is still present.
  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Not Likely, as Apple doesn't Prioritize  Bug Fixes for TotallyBlind users of 
> Apple's  VoiceOver ...Remember, You're IN Line, & Not at  The Begining 
> either, so You'll have to Wait until YourTurn comes up
> 
> Personally, I  have Never encountered any "Bugs" AssociatedWith  
> Google'sAndroid on  My SamsungGalaxy MobilePhones
> 
> I've  Turned OFF  AutomaticUpdates on Both of  My iOSDevices: XS MAX, which 
> is on iOS12.4.1  & 11PRO, which is on iOS13.7
> 
> At 11:04 AM 9/24/2020, you wrote:
>> this update says bug fixes. Hopefully they included some of the VO issues 
>> we're having.
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RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

[Tom Rash]

Microsoft Soundscape.  It is free.  Interesting program. 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
terrie...@twc.com
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

 

GoodMaps Explorer does do outdoors. I just installed it and looked at POIs from 
inside my bedroom. It seemed accurate about what I know is around me. I like 
its tabs at the bottom of the screen; they make sense to me. It is a free 
download. Not sure if its maps are on line or are part of the download, though 
the download was fast so I conjecture that maps are online and not downloaded.

Will share more after I have used it outside.

 

A caviat about indoor maps for this application: someone has to map a space by 
walking around it with a backpack of equipment. I saw two places that had 
indoor maps within five miles of me: American Printing House for the Blind and 
the McDowell Rehabilitation Center, the state rehab facility for persons with 
visual impairments. Although the maps do not rely on installation of beacons or 
other hardware that must be maintained and powered , they do require someone 
with requisite equipment to walk around the space on all floors and then there 
are three more steps in making the maps. It is a good idea, but indoor mapping 
may be limited by how many facilities want to pay to be mapped and how many 
backpacks of equipment are floating around the country to be used to get the 
first level of map data.

 

On the plus side, this company is offering other applications of this 
technology, e.g., first responders. I would think such data could also be 
useful in coal mines when miners need to get out fast and can’t see because of 
smoke from a fire. Many facilities might be inclined to pay for initial map 
making for use in emergencies. This data would also make indoor maps for 
GoodMaps Explore.

Best,

Terrie Terlau

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of kitty 
hevener
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 10:19 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

 

Richard, have u used good maps explore outdoors?  If u have, how does it 
compare to nearby explorer?  I thought it was indoor only.  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 8:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

 

Christine,In my opinion, Apple Maps is harder to use with VoiceOver, though it 
can somehow be set to give more street information.Good Maps Explore or Nearby 
Explorer online, are the best two free apps that will combine turn-by-turn 
directions with providing the street information Be aware that Points of 
Interest are only as accurate as the digital map data, and depending on the 
source, it can be several years out off date.

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

On Sep 25, 2020, at 4:54 AM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > wrote:

 Thanks for this. 

Kristeen

 

 

On Sep 24, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com> > wrote:

 

Yes.

If you just want turn-by-turn directions either walking or driving, Google Maps 
is very good.

If you want something that will tell you about the streets you are crossing, 
and points of interest nearby, Lazarillo is very good and free.

It can also give you walking turn-by-turn directions within the app, or can 
launch Google Maps and it will still give you information about the streets.

I find the Points of Interest a little too distracting, so I turn off the 
explore mode which is on by default when you launch Lazarillo.  It is a button 
at the top of the screen so easy to get to and turn off.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From:   viphone@googlegroups.com< 
 viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 10:04 AM
To:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Any recommendation about gps for iPhone?

 

Hello,

 

Is there any gps app free and easy to use?

 

Thanks,

 

Rena

 

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Re: applevis.com has no search box

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
I went to the applevis site on my Mac and the search field that used to be 
there is gone. I set my rotor to form fields and its just not there now. This 
is strange.

Greg Wocher


> On Sep 25, 2020, at 6:40 PM, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Are you using the rota to find the search field on the site?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Wayne 
> Merritt
> Sent: Saturday, 26 September 2020 4:16 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: applevis.com has no search box
> 
> Interesting. There was a search box on AppleVis as of a few days ago.
> They must have done a site update recently. I often go to AppleVis to search 
> for apps or other items, and this is the first time that I've noticed it 
> gone. Granted, even when I do a search, I still have to dig down a few 
> layers/pages to find what I want. Perhaps someone from AppleVis can speak to 
> this, since I know they lurk on this list. Well, there's always the good old 
> Google search for finding specific information, but I also know not everyone 
> is comfortable with that too.
> 
> Be well,
> Wayne Merritt
> 
> On 9/25/20, Shirley Baker  wrote:
>> Anymore if I want to know about a particular topic and don't get a 
>> response through emails, I go to the podcast app and type in the 
>> search field what I'm interested in. That's a lot easier for me than going 
>> through applevis.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 10:38 AM, Richard Turner 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Following up on the comment about people needing to use Applevos.com 
>>> before asking questions on this list… I just went to Applevis.com 
>>> with Microsoft Edge and with Firefox.
>>> 
>>> There are no search boxes, none, nada, nowhere.
>>> 
>>> If you are looking for information on an app, you cannot simply 
>>> search for it.
>>> You have to drill down through many pages to get anything.
>>> Even, after following the link from the main page titled, “Apps,” and 
>>> you find the heading for Apps, it says:
>>> Apps
>>> article
>>> Here at AppleVis we strive to make it easier for you to find great 
>>> and accessible apps to use on Apple products.
>>> From this page, you can browse and search our directories of iOS, 
>>> iPadOS, Mac, Apple Watch, and Apple TV apps; see what apps others are 
>>> recommending; and see which iOS and iPadOS apps our community has 
>>> inducted into our Hall Of Fame.
>>> 
>>> So, I followed the link to search, then you have a bunch (I was going 
>>> to say s***load, but thought better of it) of more links with not a 
>>> search box anywhere to be found.
>>> 
>>> So, at this point, applevis is only marginally useful, especially for 
>>> someone who is a beginner.
>>> 
>>> I have been using iDevices since they became accessible and can find 
>>> what I need most of the time without resorting to asking too many 
>>> questions on the list, but I used to always refer people to Applevis, 
>>> especially for their blog about updates, and I will still recommend that.
>>> But as a source to find information about specific apps, or just apps 
>>> in general, it is a crazy rabbit-warren of trails that I won’t be 
>>> bothering with.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must 
>>> pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of 
>>> ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have 
>>> regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted 
>>> extending it.)" - Edward Herbert
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Re: Using the Kindle App on my iPhone

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
The app is very accessible. However you cannot lock the screen and continue to 
read the book. The screen needs to stay on. Also you do have to use your 
current voiceover voice. 

Greg Wocher


> On Sep 25, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Terri Stimmel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> 
> I was wondering, how accessible is the Kindle App?
> 
> I want to use it on my iPhone. I have installed it, and tried it. Although, I 
> haven't messed with it much.
> 
> Can I only use whatever the current voiceover voice is set at? Or can I 
> somehow change the voice that reads within the App?
> 
> I would think not. But I thought I would ask anyway.
> 
> 
> Also, while reading, is there a way I could lock the screen, and still have 
> it read?
> 
> 
> Any help is much appreciated.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Terri
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Asking questions on the list [was "RE: am I missing something?????"]

[chaltain]

True, but I don’t think this is any different from any other mailing list I’m 
on. IMHO, we can’t control what or how others post, especially if we’re not the 
moderator. With every list, each person has to decide if the list is worth 
their time or not. The list will go on just fine if someone decides their just 
not getting enough out of the list any more and leaves.

 

If you’re not already using a threaded mail client, you may want to look into 
this option to help you quickly delete those threads you’re not personally 
interested in.

 

Note that better and more meaningful subject lines would end up helping you and 
others manage list traffic.

 

You might also want to reach out to Mark off line to see if you can suggest 
some things that he can do to make the list run more efficiently.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Fred 
Olver
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: am I missing something?

 

No, it is not what I am saying. I have seen times when individuals have sent 
four to six messages to the list when one would have sufficed. I have seen 
messages which I pointed out in mine like what recording app should I get, or 
what GPS app is the best? There is no best it is all subjective, and you know 
what they say about opinions.

 

Fred

- Original Message - 

From: Casey Wollner   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 11:53 AM

Subject: RE: am I missing something?

 

Hi okay then why do we have this list if we can’t ask questions on it?

If we can qall just go to applevis then we really don’t need this list then 
right?

Is that what you are saying?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Fred 
Olver
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: am I missing something?

 

I have been subscribed to this list now, probably for more than ten years, 
maybe I should say since I purchased my IPhone 4, whenever that was. For the 
most part, I find the threads both useful and interesting, however when I see a 
question like "What would be a good GPS app, or What would be a good recording 
app etc., I start to wonder if I want to continue to be part of this list. As 
most of you know, there is a website, http://www.applevis.com which is a 
repository of information which can not be overshadowed by any other when it 
comes to information about the usefulness of particular app's for blind and 
visually impaired individuals. I urge each one of you who feel the need to ask 
questions which you could easily find the answers yourself from this site to go 
there and have a look at all the information which is available. There are 
lists of app's concerning various needs or wants, there are podcasts for those 
who feel they need further assistance in becoming familiar with a specific 
application and you may just come away with more than you expected. Please, 
before you bring a question to the list, consider finding the answer at 
http://www.applevis.com  and thank you.

 

Fred Olver

 

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