RE: How do I find emergency alerts

[bentleyj1952]

Oops!  It was in the notification area on my SE 2020.  I just missed it.

 

Now, I need to figure out what Blue alert, until Auguist 17 means.

 

Note, I am now reccomending to all that people do not sleep with their phone 
close to their ear.  The volume of the Alert system is really really, loud.

 

LOL, I narrowily avoided having to change my sheets.  

  

Many thanks,

 

James B  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 11:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How do I find emergency alerts

 

Yes under messages if it’s a text message,

 

Or the notifications area depending on which phone you have,

There is a different way to open the notifications 

 

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bentleyj1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 2021 4:33 pm
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: How do I find emergency alerts

 

Hi all,

 

I just received an emergency alert from my local police on my iPhone.  I had 
Siri read the message to me several times.  I can not understand enough of the 
words to understand what is being said.

 

Is there a place where I can go on my iPhone to read the message a word or 
character at a time.

 

Many thanks,

 

James B  

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RE: NLS eReader by Humanware observations

[Alan Lemly]

I’m posting the below on behalf of a friend who is not on this list but who is 
a part of the NLS eReader team:

 

I have read this list of observations regarding the HumanWare eReader and am 
troubled by some of its inaccuracies. 

I’ve been a part of the eReader team for NLS since its beginning , about 18 
months ago, and will respond by inserting my comments between the original 
ones. 

1. The neck strap is cheap and not at all comfortable. It is too skinny, and 
made out of a very rough material.

--This is very subjective. I use it as more of a hand or wrist strap, and find 
it perfectly convenient. 

2. There are two space bars that for me, are not positioned well. I use my 
right thumb for pressing the space bar and I find its position slightly too far 
to the right.

3. There are the 20 cursor routing buttons over each cell, but no markers every 
5 like on most displays with routing buttons. 

--I had three other braille displays on my desk when I read this comment – from 
three different manufacturers – ranging in age from four months to fifteen 
years, and cell length from 20 to 40.  None of them have these marker every 
five spaces that are mentioned here. I believe what you refer to is the quirk 
of one particular company, but not present in at least three of them.

 

4. The keyboard is ergonomically designed with the slight curve. The space bars 
are below the braille cells, which is fine for me but I know some people prefer 
the space bar closer to the keyboard.

The keys have more play in them than I expected. They feel a little spongy.

5. The case makes it look like a hardback book. It opens just like a book 
cover, with the spine on the back of the unit leaving the front thumb keys 
exposed.  The best word I can think of is, "cute."

6. The braille feels better to me than on the Humanware braille note touch 
plus, but not quite as good as on the Orbit Readers.

7.  It does not have a note taker, but can be connected to a computer or a 
smart phone to be used as a braille keyboard.

--Of course it does not have a notetaker. The digital talking book machine does 
not have a digital recorder either. NLS provides reading materials, not writing 
tools. That said, one can easily pair the eReader with an iPhone or computer 
and use it to read and write in a variety of applications. 

8.  The setup for Bluetooth devices is much like other Humanware displays.  It 
follows Humanware's logic, which is not my logic, but following the 
instructions did work.

9.  NLS BARD login and download is very straight forward.

10.  Changing braille grades is slow.  Press Space+g and you have to wait about 
6 or 7 seconds before the grade shows up, Then, once the one you want is on the 
display, wait another 6 or 7 seconds for the display to go back to what you 
were doing.

11.  when used as a braille input device with an iPhone SE 2020, it works 
pretty much as well as all displays work, which is very good.

12.  The battery life seems to be maybe 6 or 8 hours, hard to be sure yet.

--Most users thus far have found battery life to be considerably longer than 
stated here. 

13.  There is no internet browser, Wi-Fi is used for downloading BARD books and 
updating the firmware.

--Also worth mentioning here that users can download directly from NLS BARD and 
NFB NEWSLINE. Downloads from either are lightning fast.

14.  The wi-Fi set up was pretty straight forward, as Humanware devices go.

15.  I have not tried using it with the computer.

16.  It takes approximately 20 seconds to start up and about 17 seconds to shut 
down.  Probably due to the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth functions, I am not sure.

--This is for a complete startup. If just put in “sleep” or “standby” mode, 
however, the eReader comes on instantly with the press of the Power button.

To get an eReader from NLS you have to contact your regional library for the 
blind and sign up for braille materials, and then request the eReader.  If you 
already receive braille materials, simply contact them and ask how to get sign 
up for an eReader if your library is participating in the program that is..

At this point, it is still considered a pilot program and you have to agree to 
participate in several surveys at 2, 4, and 6 months after receiving the device 
and of course, to return it if you are not going to use it.  If you want, you 
can keep it after the pilot project is finished.

Oregon seems to be getting the Humanware device; some states are getting the 
one from Zoomax.

There are YouTube videos walking through each device, settings, how to…, etc..

Here is the physical description link for the Humanware device: 
https://www.loc.gov/item/webcast-9336/

 

Here is the physical description link for the Zoomax device: 
https://www.loc.gov/item/webcast-9653/

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 2:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NLS eReader by Humanware observations

 

I have had the 

Re: How do I find emergency alerts

[Andy Baracco]

Settings/General

Andy

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 9:32 PM
  Subject: How do I find emergency alerts


  Hi all,

   

  I just received an emergency alert from my local police on my iPhone.  I had 
Siri read the message to me several times.  I can not understand enough of the 
words to understand what is being said.

   

  Is there a place where I can go on my iPhone to read the message a word or 
character at a time.

   

  Many thanks,

   

  James B  


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RE: How do I find emergency alerts

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yes under messages if it’s a text message,

Or the notifications area depending on which phone you have,
There is a different way to open the notifications

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Subject: How do I find emergency alerts

Hi all,

I just received an emergency alert from my local police on my iPhone.  I had 
Siri read the message to me several times.  I can not understand enough of the 
words to understand what is being said.

Is there a place where I can go on my iPhone to read the message a word or 
character at a time.

Many thanks,

James B
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How do I find emergency alerts

[bentleyj1952]

Hi all,

 

I just received an emergency alert from my local police on my iPhone.  I had
Siri read the message to me several times.  I can not understand enough of
the words to understand what is being said.

 

Is there a place where I can go on my iPhone to read the message a word or
character at a time.

 

Many thanks,

 

James B  

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Re: NLS eReader by Humanware observations

[TaraPrakash]

EReader has been designed keeping The possibility of single hand operation in 
mind.  depending on which hand you’re using, you can choose which spacekey 
to use. 
Second possibility is that   Some day eReader will be enabled to play Nls audio 
cartridges. Two space keys will be able to perform different functions.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 15, 2021, at 7:21 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> I still like humanware displays and I really hope that that is the one
> I will be able to get when they become sent out officially.  I don't
> know why they have 2 space bars though.  I can think this is something
> I will use in church for reading the Bible.  There are also some books
> from bard, that it would be great to have in braille loaded with bard
> mobile.
> 
>> On 8/15/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> Updated version with the info about the cursor routing buttons made more
>> clear.
>> 
>> I have had the eReader from NLS made by Humanware for about three days.
>> My impressions are below, in no particular order.
>> 1. The neck strap is cheap and not at all comfortable. It is too skinny, and
>> made out of a very rough material.
>> 2. There are two space bars that for me, are not positioned well. I use my
>> right thumb for pressing the space bar and I find its position slightly too
>> far to the right.
>> 3. There are cursor routing buttons over each of the 20 cells, but no
>> markers every 5 like on most displays with routing buttons.
>> 4. The keyboard is ergonomically designed with the slight curve. The space
>> bars are below the braille cells, which is fine for me but I know some
>> people prefer the space bar closer to the keyboard.
>> The keys have more play in them than I expected. They feel a little spongy.
>> 5. The case makes it look like a hardback book. It opens just like a book
>> cover, with the spine on the back of the unit leaving the front thumb keys
>> exposed.  The best word I can think of is, "cute."
>> 6. The braille feels better to me than on the Humanware braille note touch
>> plus, but not quite as good as on the Orbit Readers.
>> 7.  It does not have a note taker, but can be connected to a computer or a
>> smart phone to be used as a braille keyboard.
>> 8.  The setup for Bluetooth devices is much like other Humanware displays.
>> It follows Humanware's logic, which is not my logic, but following the
>> instructions did work.
>> 9.  NLS BARD login and download is very straight forward.
>> 10.  Changing braille grades is slow.  Press Space+g and you have to wait
>> about 6 or 7 seconds before the grade shows up, Then, once the one you want
>> is on the display, wait another 6 or 7 seconds for the display to go back to
>> what you were doing.
>> 11.  when used as a braille input device with an iPhone SE 2020, it works
>> pretty much as well as all displays work, which is very good.
>> 12.  The battery life seems to be maybe 6 or 8 hours, hard to be sure yet.
>> 13.  There is no internet browser, Wi-Fi is used for downloading BARD books
>> and updating the firmware.
>> 14.  The wi-Fi set up was pretty straight forward, as Humanware devices go.
>> 15.  I have not tried using it with the computer.
>> 16.  It takes approximately 20 seconds to start up and about 17 seconds to
>> shut down.  Probably due to the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth functions, I am not
>> sure.
>> 
>> To get an eReader from NLS you have to contact your regional library for the
>> blind and sign up for braille materials, and then request the eReader.  If
>> you already receive braille materials, simply contact them and ask how to
>> get sign up for an eReader if your library is participating in the program
>> that is..
>> At this point, it is still considered a pilot program and you have to agree
>> to participate in several surveys at 2, 4, and 6 months after receiving the
>> device and of course, to return it if you are not going to use it.  If you
>> want, you can keep it after the pilot project is finished.
>> Oregon seems to be getting the Humanware device; some states are getting the
>> one from Zoomax.
>> There are YouTube videos walking through each device, settings, how to…,
>> etc..
>> Here is the physical description link for the Humanware device:
>> https://www.loc.gov/item/webcast-9336/
>> 
>> Here is the physical description link for the Zoomax device:
>> https://www.loc.gov/item/webcast-9653/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: NLS eReader by Humanware observations

[Julia Kulak]

Hi everyone. If you live in Oregon, the pilot program is now closed. I just 
talked to Crystal with an LS, and they do not know when they will be handing 
out the braille displays to the general public. Julia.

> On Aug 15, 2021, at 10:48 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> I mean, I’m not complaining, just find it interesting.
> Devin Prater
> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> 
> Https://devinprater.flounder.online
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2021, at 4:04 PM, Julia Kulak  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone. Richard, thank you very much for this description. Devon, I 
>> don’t care if the voice over driver has more holes than a block of Swiss 
>> cheese. I am just grateful to have a free braille display! Julia.
 On Aug 15, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Try going into keyboard help mode on the iPhone with Space with K, and 
>>> press the Up and Down keys. See the holes in VoiceOver's driver for the 
>>> thing. :) NVDA has no such faults, go figure.
>>> Devin Prater
>>> r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
>>> gemini://tilde.pink/~devinprater/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 2:49 PM Richard Turner 
  wrote:
 I have had the eReader from NLS made by Humanware for about three days.
 
 My impressions are below, in no particular order.
 
 1. The neck strap is cheap and not at all comfortable. It is too skinny, 
 and made out of a very rough material.
 
 2. There are two space bars that for me, are not positioned well. I use my 
 right thumb for pressing the space bar and I find its position slightly 
 too far to the right.
 
 3. There are the 20 cursor routing buttons over each cell, but no markers 
 every 5 like on most displays with routing buttons.
 
 4. The keyboard is ergonomically designed with the slight curve. The space 
 bars are below the braille cells, which is fine for me but I know some 
 people prefer the space bar closer to the keyboard.
 
 The keys have more play in them than I expected. They feel a little spongy.
 
 5. The case makes it look like a hardback book. It opens just like a book 
 cover, with the spine on the back of the unit leaving the front thumb keys 
 exposed.  The best word I can think of is, "cute."
 
 6. The braille feels better to me than on the Humanware braille note touch 
 plus, but not quite as good as on the Orbit Readers.
 
 7.  It does not have a note taker, but can be connected to a computer or a 
 smart phone to be used as a braille keyboard.
 
 8.  The setup for Bluetooth devices is much like other Humanware displays. 
  It follows Humanware's logic, which is not my logic, but following the 
 instructions did work.
 
 9.  NLS BARD login and download is very straight forward.
 
 10.  Changing braille grades is slow.  Press Space+g and you have to wait 
 about 6 or 7 seconds before the grade shows up, Then, once the one you 
 want is on the display, wait another 6 or 7 seconds for the display to go 
 back to what you were doing.
 
 11.  when used as a braille input device with an iPhone SE 2020, it works 
 pretty much as well as all displays work, which is very good.
 
 12.  The battery life seems to be maybe 6 or 8 hours, hard to be sure yet.
 
 13.  There is no internet browser, Wi-Fi is used for downloading BARD 
 books and updating the firmware.
 
 14.  The wi-Fi set up was pretty straight forward, as Humanware devices go.
 
 15.  I have not tried using it with the computer.
 
 16.  It takes approximately 20 seconds to start up and about 17 seconds to 
 shut down.  Probably due to the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth functions, I am not 
 sure.
 
  
 
 To get an eReader from NLS you have to contact your regional library for 
 the blind and sign up for braille materials, and then request the eReader. 
  If you already receive braille materials, simply contact them and ask how 
 to get sign up for an eReader if your library is participating in the 
 program that is..
 
 At this point, it is still considered a pilot program and you have to 
 agree to participate in several surveys at 2, 4, and 6 months after 
 receiving the device and of course, to return it if you are not going to 
 use it.  If you want, you can keep it after the pilot project is finished.
 
 Oregon seems to be getting the Humanware device; some states are getting 
 the one from Zoomax.
 
 There are YouTube videos walking through each device, settings, how to…, 
 etc..
 
 Here is the physical description link for the Humanware device: 
 https://www.loc.gov/item/webcast-9336/
 
  
 
 Here is the physical description link for the Zoomax device: 
 https://www.loc.gov/item/webcast-9653/
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
  
 

Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

[Shane Lowe]

Richard,
Yep, it would definitely be pointless to download Super Lidar on a
device without a Lidar sensor. :(
I can't wait to hear what you think!

On 8/16/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Thanks Shane,
> I am intending to get one of the iPhone 13 models when they come out and
> will certainly try out the Super LLIDAR app then.
>
> I assume it is pointless to download it on a device without LIDAR.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shane
> Lowe
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 7:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
> Hi, sorry I'm late to the discussion!
> We do have an app called Super Lidar, which is completely free. If you have
> the chance to try it out; I'd love to hear what you think. We're also happy
> to bring in some new beta testers, if you're interested in that as well. :)
>
> On 8/12/21, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
>> Yes, that was what it was now that you mention it.
>>
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>>
>> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
>> Bob Proctor
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Richard Turner" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 5:07 PM
>> Subject: RE: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>>
>>
>> I think supersense has a whole other app called SuperLidar which I
>> have not
>>
>> looked into since I don't have a phone with LIDAR yet.
>> I don't know if it is another paid app.
>> Seeing AI is free, so worth checking out to see what it is like.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>
>> Web site:
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 3:07 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>>
>> Aren't they using it with Supersense or something like that?
>>
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>>
>> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
>> Bob Proctor
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Richard Turner" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 4:20 PM
>> Subject: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>>
>>
>> Courtesy of Wikipedia:
>> Lidar is an acronym of "light detection and ranging"
>> or "laser imaging, detection, and ranging".
>>
>> Now, whether you should care about it, I cannot say.
>>
>> Here is an article about how Seeing AI is using this feature:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmspow
>> eruser.com%2Fmicrosoft-seeing-ai-app-lidar-support-space-in-3d%2F
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>> ed=0
>>
>> Here is an article of how it can help in navigating in unfamiliar areas:
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>> extpit.com%2Fiphone-12-pro-can-help-the-blind-get-around-safely-with-l
>> idardata=04%7C01%7C%7C24884047cdda4b10c3ca08d960c66c28%7C84df9e7f
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>>
>> If you want to watch a video focused on sighted users watch this:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.y
>> outube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUzLzLQQJC30data=04%7C01%7C%7C24884047cdd
>> a4b10c3ca08d960c66c28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637
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>> h1OTYVzNKKl1n3GA4DWZdGNhw48IA%3Dreserved=0
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>
>> Web site:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C24884047cdda4b10c3ca08d960c66c28%7
>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637647227606353624%7CUnkno
>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
>> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=5%2B8YmjtUH2tZMHKGSvDPkduGlxBmsYWWLbEnU
>> NxW%2BxA%3Dreserved=0
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 12:53 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> 

Re: How do I turn Automatic Updates On or OFF on iPhone 7 with latest iOS installed.

[Janet Bell]

Hi Anna, thanks very much for the info I never knew you could do that.  
thanks again Janet


On 16/08/2021 16:47, Anna Dresner wrote:

Hi Kevin,

You can either set your phone to update all apps automatically or none; there's 
no way to automatically update some and not others. To set this up, open 
Settings, then App Store. The top section is Automatic Downloads, and the 
second option is App Updates. If it's on, your apps update automatically.

HTH,
Anna



On Aug 15, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:

My wife and I want to know how you can choose the setting to have Facebook and 
Facebook Messenger update automatically or not on iPhone 7.

I look at my available updates every day and I think I’ve seen options for 
choosing Automatic Updates whenever there is an available update for either FB 
or FB Messenger.  Currently, both of these apps are up to date on both our 
devices.  So, I don’t have an option there.  Is there. Way to go somewhere and 
turn Auto Updates ON or OFF within either FB or the App Store?

Thanks,
Kevin

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RE: A new phone setup question

[Richard Turner]

Hi,

First, you can certainly set it up yourself.  You cannot, however, add the 
braille display until the phone is pretty much set up.

Alan Lemley wrote a very detailed guide for transferring everything from your 
old phone to the new one wirelessly, which if you are interested, I put the 
Word document on my web site.  I'll put the direct link to the document at the 
end of my message.

Once the phone powers on, if it is a phone with no home button, triple tap the 
side button to turn on VoiceOver.  If it has a home button, Triple tap the home 
button.

VoiceOver will come on and you can follow the prompts from there.

You will have to go through many settings first before you can get to the 
accessibility settings, VoiceOver , Braille to select your display.

I'm waiting for the 13's to come out myself since that should be just a little 
more than a month.

Here is the direct link to Alan's document: 
http://www.turner42.com/SettingUpnewIphoneWithWirelessTransferByAlanLemly.docx
HTH,
Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 9:30 AM
To: IPhone List 
Subject: A new phone setup question

Hello Listers,

I'm considering getting a new iPhone, and, whenever I'm about to get some new 
device, I find it scary, at the very least. So here's my question. When I take 
my new phone out of the box and begin the set-up process, I'd like to use my 
Braille device as soon as possible to enter information. How soon in the set-up 
process may I connect the device, or is this even necessary or possible. Can I 
set my new phone up without help from anyone? Just wondering as I consider this 
giant step. Thanks for advice and encouragement from those of you who are much 
more tech savvy than I am.
  

Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

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Re: A new phone setup question

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Duane,

You won't be able to use your Braille display until you can get to the 
accessibility settings. You can cannot connect the Braille display while it is 
setting up. You can, however, use VO right out of the box. You press the 
side/power button three times to get VoiceOver running. Hope this help a little 
bit.

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Aug 16, 2021, at 10:29 AM, Duane Steele  wrote:
> 
> Hello Listers,
> 
> I'm considering getting a new iPhone, and, whenever I'm about to get some new 
> device, I find it scary, at the very least. So here's my question. When I 
> take my new phone out of the box and begin the set-up process, I'd like to 
> use my Braille device as soon as possible to enter information. How soon in 
> the set-up process may I connect the device, or is this even necessary or 
> possible. Can I set my new phone up without help from anyone? Just wondering 
> as I consider this giant step. Thanks for advice and encouragement from those 
> of you who are much more tech savvy than I am.
> 
> 
> Peace & Blessings,
> Pastor Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
> 
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A new phone setup question

[Duane Steele]

Hello Listers,

I'm considering getting a new iPhone, and, whenever I'm about to get some new 
device, I find it scary, at the very least. So here's my question. When I take 
my new phone out of the box and begin the set-up process, I'd like to use my 
Braille device as soon as possible to enter information. How soon in the set-up 
process may I connect the device, or is this even necessary or possible. Can I 
set my new phone up without help from anyone? Just wondering as I consider this 
giant step. Thanks for advice and encouragement from those of you who are much 
more tech savvy than I am.
  

Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

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RE: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Shane,
I am intending to get one of the iPhone 13 models when they come out and will 
certainly try out the Super LLIDAR app then.

I assume it is pointless to download it on a device without LIDAR.

Thanks,




Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shane 
Lowe
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

Hi, sorry I'm late to the discussion!
We do have an app called Super Lidar, which is completely free. If you have the 
chance to try it out; I'd love to hear what you think. We're also happy to 
bring in some new beta testers, if you're interested in that as well. :)

On 8/12/21, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> Yes, that was what it was now that you mention it.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Richard Turner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 5:07 PM
> Subject: RE: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
>
> I think supersense has a whole other app called SuperLidar which I 
> have not
>
> looked into since I don't have a phone with LIDAR yet.
> I don't know if it is another paid app.
> Seeing AI is free, so worth checking out to see what it is like.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site: 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 3:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
> Aren't they using it with Supersense or something like that?
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Richard Turner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 4:20 PM
> Subject: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
>
> Courtesy of Wikipedia:
> Lidar is an acronym of "light detection and ranging"
> or "laser imaging, detection, and ranging".
>
> Now, whether you should care about it, I cannot say.
>
> Here is an article about how Seeing AI is using this feature:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmspow
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>
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> Richard
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> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 12:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A chip question
>
> What is Lidar, and why should I care about it?
>
> On 8/12/21, Kevin Minor  wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I have a pair of gaming headphones that I connect to my iPhone with a 
>> lightning adaptor. I lost that adaptor, and decided to order one that 
>> had a
>> 3.5 mm jack on it, and a lightning jack to hook a 

Re: How do I turn Automatic Updates On or OFF on iPhone 7 with latest iOS installed.

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Kevin,

You can either set your phone to update all apps automatically or none; there's 
no way to automatically update some and not others. To set this up, open 
Settings, then App Store. The top section is Automatic Downloads, and the 
second option is App Updates. If it's on, your apps update automatically.

HTH,
Anna


> On Aug 15, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Kevin Gibbs  wrote:
> 
> My wife and I want to know how you can choose the setting to have Facebook 
> and Facebook Messenger update automatically or not on iPhone 7.  
> 
> I look at my available updates every day and I think I’ve seen options for 
> choosing Automatic Updates whenever there is an available update for either 
> FB or FB Messenger.  Currently, both of these apps are up to date on both our 
> devices.  So, I don’t have an option there.  Is there. Way to go somewhere 
> and turn Auto Updates ON or OFF within either FB or the App Store?  
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
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Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

[Shane Lowe]

Hi, sorry I'm late to the discussion!
We do have an app called Super Lidar, which is completely free. If you
have the chance to try it out; I'd love to hear what you think. We're
also happy to bring in some new beta testers, if you're interested in
that as well. :)

On 8/12/21, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> Yes, that was what it was now that you mention it.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Richard Turner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 5:07 PM
> Subject: RE: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
>
> I think supersense has a whole other app called SuperLidar which I have not
>
> looked into since I don't have a phone with LIDAR yet.
> I don't know if it is another paid app.
> Seeing AI is free, so worth checking out to see what it is like.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay
> Malmquist
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 3:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
> Aren't they using it with Supersense or something like that?
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Richard Turner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 4:20 PM
> Subject: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
>
> Courtesy of Wikipedia:
> Lidar is an acronym of "light detection and ranging"
> or "laser imaging, detection, and ranging".
>
> Now, whether you should care about it, I cannot say.
>
> Here is an article about how Seeing AI is using this feature:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmspoweruser.com%2Fmicrosoft-seeing-ai-app-lidar-support-space-in-3d%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489372678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=%2BVo6NGJ4MCWq6BewMMkbfFYIqRfZUkroK8CCMdlEtN4%3Dreserved=0
>
> Here is an article of how it can help in navigating in unfamiliar areas:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nextpit.com%2Fiphone-12-pro-can-help-the-blind-get-around-safely-with-lidardata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489382634%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=uhjOL577JkpYcqlF9P0HFJPvfJhpJFTSCJiZWrKKt38%3Dreserved=0
>
> If you want to watch a video focused on sighted users watch this:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUzLzLQQJC30data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489382634%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=mI%2FmBc%2FCRlx4qkwFwwcE3AQA30uRIgs0M2GU9YmMTDk%3Dreserved=0
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489382634%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=DuJ8%2F7CwwjTlHyRoDiskG61xlyOssgi803FM9GBpxJo%3Dreserved=0
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 12:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A chip question
>
> What is Lidar, and why should I care about it?
>
> On 8/12/21, Kevin Minor  wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I have a pair of gaming headphones that I connect to my iPhone with a
>> lightning adaptor. I lost that adaptor, and decided to order one that
>> had a
>> 3.5 mm jack on it, and a lightning jack to hook a cord so I could
>> charge it and use the headphones at the same time. I connected the
>> gaming headphones to the 3.5 mm jack to see how well it would work. I
>> activated Siri on my phone, and spoke into my gaming mic. To my
>> surprise, Siri came out of the speakers on my phone. I then tried to
>> make a call on my iPhone, and instead of it coming through my
>> headphones, it was routed to the ear speaker, which meant I couldn't
>> hear it. I can't remember the brand of adaptor I got, but at least
>> this one didn't route phone audio through it, and the gaming mic
>> didn't work at all. I called up Apple and ordered that little
>> lightning plug that I had, and all works as expected. I do have an
>> adaptor with two female lightning plugs on it, so I can use my headphones
>> and charge my phone at the same time.
>>
>> Just giving a heads up.
>>
>> Have a blessed day and don't work too hard.
>> Kevin and Jilly
>>
>> From: