Re: ring, blink, or something altogether different

[Holly]

I never actually had the opportunity to use it.  I would think that after the 
doorbell rings, you just say’ alexa, talk to the back door’.  Why would you do 
it otherwise.

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RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I can do it just like that, but have you tried it after somebody rings the 
doorbell?

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Siegardt:

I do agree that the ring app on the phone is a disappointment, as far as 
getting to talk to the person at the door, but with my Echo Spot, I am able to 
just tell Alexa to talk to the back door, and I am connected.

Don’t know why you can not do this with your Echo Show.
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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

The premise still holds. Just because you don’t... Folks are still using their 
nose and whatever else tickles their fancy. And yes, people have and do use the 
body part you're eluding to. A friend confided in me that his girlfriend at the 
time (it didn't last) for kicks used his eleventh digit as her special touch 
ID. Talk about TMI. Some things you'd just rather not know about others. Again, 
it's all good. the point is we have options. Tomato Tommato.
Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Yes, a 9-year old article from when Touch Id was quite a novelty and people 
tried all sorts of stupid stuff. I'm sure using my nose will be very reliable 
and since baring my chest in the winter to use a nipple or taking off my boots 
to try a toe doesn't seem exactly practical I think I'll stick with Face Id. 
Oh, sorry, forgot the cat's paw, but then again since I think cats don't have 
any use except for catching mice on a farm I think I won’t buy one for that 
purpose and I think my lab's paw is too rough and big for the home button of 
the SE. There is of course one more male body part which I am surprised wasn't 
even mentioned in the article, but once again, I'll keep it where it's warm in 
the winter and I also don't want to get arrested for public exposure.



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Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Well there you go. The beauty of options right? Different strokes for different 
folks. Then again, you can use more than just your fingers for touch ID. People 
do use their nose so they don't have to take off their gloves in colder 
environs. Then you get the more ... adventurous types that use even more body 
parts for touch ID.
https://9to5mac.com/2013/09/21/touch-id-on-iphone-5s-can-be-used-with-more-than-just-your-fingers/

Cristóbal

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Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and when 
my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is just 
not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more reliable for 
me.


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I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

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Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

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Re: ring, blink, or something altogether different

[Holly]

Siegardt:

I do agree that the ring app on the phone is a disappointment, as far as 
getting to talk to the person at the door, but with my Echo Spot, I am able to 
just tell Alexa to talk to the back door, and I am connected.

Don’t know why you can not do this with your Echo Show.

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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I doubt you will find that Voiceover on an iPhone 11, 12 or 13 will be all that 
much different. Yes, especially the Max phones may have slightly larger 
speakers and sound a bit fuller, but it's not a night and day difference.

As for your other issues you may have these just the same on any other iPhone, 
e.g. if you turn on Screentime it will be no different on an iPhone 13 Max than 
on an iPhone SE 2020.

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What I don’t like is the voice is tinny,  I have trouble seeing the keyboard 
some times when I am on the phone...  I was having trouble deleting downloaded 
apps but I called apple and they helped me fix that problem... Screen time had 
to be turned off to get the delete button to show... Other than those few 
things the phone is ok... Guess I wil wait and see how things goes ..

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the 
> SE 2020.
> As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it 
> has I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from 
> that and its larger size it would be similar in performance.
> Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new 
> iPhones are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless 
> they lost their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new 
> phone immediately.
> It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
> the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not 
> going to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any 
> existing phone will most likely only get better as September comes around.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
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> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the 
> se2020? I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t 
> know if that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 
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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, a 9-year old article from when Touch Id was quite a novelty and people 
tried all sorts of stupid stuff. I'm sure using my nose will be very reliable 
and since baring my chest in the winter to use a nipple or taking off my boots 
to try a toe doesn't seem exactly practical I think I'll stick with Face Id. 
Oh, sorry, forgot the cat's paw, but then again since I think cats don't have 
any use except for catching mice on a farm I think I won’t buy one for that 
purpose and I think my lab's paw is too rough and big for the home button of 
the SE. There is of course one more male body part which I am surprised wasn't 
even mentioned in the article, but once again, I'll keep it where it's warm in 
the winter and I also don't want to get arrested for public exposure.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 2:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Well there you go. The beauty of options right? Different strokes for different 
folks. Then again, you can use more than just your fingers for touch ID. People 
do use their nose so they don't have to take off their gloves in colder 
environs. Then you get the more ... adventurous types that use even more body 
parts for touch ID.
https://9to5mac.com/2013/09/21/touch-id-on-iphone-5s-can-be-used-with-more-than-just-your-fingers/

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and when 
my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is just 
not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more reliable for 
me.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

[Sieghard Weitzel]

These are video doorbell and cameras so yes, video is part of the deal.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 7:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

Wonder if the cheaper ones are as accessible as the one you have.  Were u able 
to just use the audio features, or did u have to enable video as well?

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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:35 PM
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Subject: RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

They have cheaper ones.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 9:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Thanks you.  Will keep this as an option but am hoping I can findsomething a 
bit more economical.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:05 PM
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08FCWQWDZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086Q54K53/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8=1

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
kheve...@fuse.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:57 PM
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Thanks.  Assuming there are several models of ring, can u send me a link for 
the one you have?

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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:23 PM
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I just got Ring. Have the Floodlight cam. Doorbell is coming. The Ring app is 
99% accessible.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ring, blink, or something altogether different

I am looking for a two way intercom/doorbell system that is wired.  I really 
could care less about the video.  Here is what I need it to do.  When someone 
rings my doorbell, Ineed to hear the ring on my phone alexa, indoor speaker or 
whatever.  I then need to be able to talk to the person who rang my bell to 
find out if I want to let them in.  I would like the system to be wired so I 
don’t have to deal with changing batteries.  I thought blink app was my answer. 
 However, I have never been able to hear the doorbell on either my phone or 
alexa.  Spoke with both amazon and blink tech suport and am quite discouraged.  
According to them, I have to enable video and will then only get a visual 
notification (picture) of someone at my door.  Can anyone suggest something 
that will work for me?  Or, if you know that blink is accessible, can u help me 
make it work?  Thanks.
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RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Sarah,

The ring app is quite accessible, we have a Ring Pro video doorbell and a 
stick-up cam pointing into our backyard, but just wait until you actually get 
into situations when somebody rings the doorbell, you get a notification on 
your phone and have to try to act on it. I still don’t know why Ring makes it 
so difficult and complicated to answer a press of the doorbell, it should be 
like a phone call, you get the notification and you tap an “Answer” button 
which immediately connects you to your doorbell, activates the microphone and 
speaker and you can start talking. Unfortunately it is not that way and more 
often than not the person at my door has gone away by the time I finally 
connect.

And then of course don’t get me started on Alexa, Amazon owns Ring so one would 
think it should be super easy to answer a doorbell button press with Alexa, but 
once again it is not unless I am missing something. If Alexa plays a 
notification on my Echo Show why can’t I say “Answer the doorbell” or “Talk to 
my front door” or “Connect me to my doorbell”, really one would think that just 
about anything should work, but it is very specific and finnicky.



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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 5:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

I just got Ring. Have the Floodlight cam. Doorbell is coming. The Ring app is 
99% accessible.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
kheve...@fuse.net
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 7:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ring, blink, or something altogether different

I am looking for a two way intercom/doorbell system that is wired.  I really 
could care less about the video.  Here is what I need it to do.  When someone 
rings my doorbell, Ineed to hear the ring on my phone alexa, indoor speaker or 
whatever.  I then need to be able to talk to the person who rang my bell to 
find out if I want to let them in.  I would like the system to be wired so I 
don’t have to deal with changing batteries.  I thought blink app was my answer. 
 However, I have never been able to hear the doorbell on either my phone or 
alexa.  Spoke with both amazon and blink tech suport and am quite discouraged.  
According to them, I have to enable video and will then only get a visual 
notification (picture) of someone at my door.  Can anyone suggest something 
that will work for me?  Or, if you know that blink is accessible, can u help me 
make it work?  Thanks.
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RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Why don’t you look into good old fashioned intercom systems?


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Subject: ring, blink, or something altogether different

I am looking for a two way intercom/doorbell system that is wired.  I really 
could care less about the video.  Here is what I need it to do.  When someone 
rings my doorbell, Ineed to hear the ring on my phone alexa, indoor speaker or 
whatever.  I then need to be able to talk to the person who rang my bell to 
find out if I want to let them in.  I would like the system to be wired so I 
don’t have to deal with changing batteries.  I thought blink app was my answer. 
 However, I have never been able to hear the doorbell on either my phone or 
alexa.  Spoke with both amazon and blink tech suport and am quite discouraged.  
According to them, I have to enable video and will then only get a visual 
notification (picture) of someone at my door.  Can anyone suggest something 
that will work for me?  Or, if you know that blink is accessible, can u help me 
make it work?  Thanks.
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RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

[khevener]

Wonder if the cheaper ones are as accessible as the one you have.  Were u able 
to just use the audio features, or did u have to enable video as well?

 

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They have cheaper ones.

 

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Thanks you.  Will keep this as an option but am hoping I can findsomething a 
bit more economical.   

 

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08FCWQWDZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8
 

 =1

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086Q54K53/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8
 

 =1

 

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Thanks.  Assuming there are several models of ring, can u send me a link for 
the one you have?  

 

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I just got Ring. Have the Floodlight cam. Doorbell is coming. The Ring app is 
99% accessible.

 

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I am looking for a two way intercom/doorbell system that is wired.  I really 
could care less about the video.  Here is what I need it to do.  When someone 
rings my doorbell, Ineed to hear the ring on my phone alexa, indoor speaker or 
whatever.  I then need to be able to talk to the person who rang my bell to 
find out if I want to let them in.  I would like the system to be wired so I 
don’t have to deal with changing batteries.  I thought blink app was my answer. 
 However, I have never been able to hear the doorbell on either my phone or 
alexa.  Spoke with both amazon and blink tech suport and am quite discouraged.  
According to them, I have to enable video and will then only get a visual 
notification (picture) of someone at my door.  Can anyone suggest something 
that will work for me?  Or, if you know that blink is accessible, can u help me 
make it work?  Thanks.  

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RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

[sarai.bucciarelli]

They have cheaper ones.

 

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Thanks you.  Will keep this as an option but am hoping I can findsomething a 
bit more economical.   

 

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https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08FCWQWDZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8
 

 =1

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086Q54K53/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8
 

 =1

 

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Thanks.  Assuming there are several models of ring, can u send me a link for 
the one you have?  

 

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sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:23 PM
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I just got Ring. Have the Floodlight cam. Doorbell is coming. The Ring app is 
99% accessible.

 

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Subject: ring, blink, or something altogether different

 

I am looking for a two way intercom/doorbell system that is wired.  I really 
could care less about the video.  Here is what I need it to do.  When someone 
rings my doorbell, Ineed to hear the ring on my phone alexa, indoor speaker or 
whatever.  I then need to be able to talk to the person who rang my bell to 
find out if I want to let them in.  I would like the system to be wired so I 
don’t have to deal with changing batteries.  I thought blink app was my answer. 
 However, I have never been able to hear the doorbell on either my phone or 
alexa.  Spoke with both amazon and blink tech suport and am quite discouraged.  
According to them, I have to enable video and will then only get a visual 
notification (picture) of someone at my door.  Can anyone suggest something 
that will work for me?  Or, if you know that blink is accessible, can u help me 
make it work?  Thanks.  

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RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

[khevener]

Thanks you.  Will keep this as an option but am hoping I can findsomething a 
bit more economical.   

 

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Subject: RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08FCWQWDZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8
 

 =1

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086Q54K53/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8
 

 =1

 

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Thanks.  Assuming there are several models of ring, can u send me a link for 
the one you have?  

 

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I just got Ring. Have the Floodlight cam. Doorbell is coming. The Ring app is 
99% accessible.

 

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Subject: ring, blink, or something altogether different

 

I am looking for a two way intercom/doorbell system that is wired.  I really 
could care less about the video.  Here is what I need it to do.  When someone 
rings my doorbell, Ineed to hear the ring on my phone alexa, indoor speaker or 
whatever.  I then need to be able to talk to the person who rang my bell to 
find out if I want to let them in.  I would like the system to be wired so I 
don’t have to deal with changing batteries.  I thought blink app was my answer. 
 However, I have never been able to hear the doorbell on either my phone or 
alexa.  Spoke with both amazon and blink tech suport and am quite discouraged.  
According to them, I have to enable video and will then only get a visual 
notification (picture) of someone at my door.  Can anyone suggest something 
that will work for me?  Or, if you know that blink is accessible, can u help me 
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Re: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

['Louana Sterling' via VIPhone]

What I don’t like is the voice is tinny,  I have trouble seeing the keyboard 
some times when I am on the phone...  I was having trouble deleting downloaded 
apps but I called apple and they helped me fix that problem... Screen time had 
to be turned off to get the delete button to show... Other than those few 
things the phone is ok... Guess I wil wait and see how things goes ..

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 10:34 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the 
> SE 2020.
> As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it 
> has I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from 
> that and its larger size it would be similar in performance.
> Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new 
> iPhones are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless 
> they lost their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new 
> phone immediately.
> It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
> the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not 
> going to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any 
> existing phone will most likely only get better as September comes around.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
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> Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the 
> se2020? I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t 
> know if that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 
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RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

[sarai.bucciarelli]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08FCWQWDZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8
 

 =1

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086Q54K53/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8
 

 =1

 

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Thanks.  Assuming there are several models of ring, can u send me a link for 
the one you have?  

 

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I just got Ring. Have the Floodlight cam. Doorbell is coming. The Ring app is 
99% accessible.

 

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I am looking for a two way intercom/doorbell system that is wired.  I really 
could care less about the video.  Here is what I need it to do.  When someone 
rings my doorbell, Ineed to hear the ring on my phone alexa, indoor speaker or 
whatever.  I then need to be able to talk to the person who rang my bell to 
find out if I want to let them in.  I would like the system to be wired so I 
don’t have to deal with changing batteries.  I thought blink app was my answer. 
 However, I have never been able to hear the doorbell on either my phone or 
alexa.  Spoke with both amazon and blink tech suport and am quite discouraged.  
According to them, I have to enable video and will then only get a visual 
notification (picture) of someone at my door.  Can anyone suggest something 
that will work for me?  Or, if you know that blink is accessible, can u help me 
make it work?  Thanks.  

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RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

[khevener]

Thanks.  Assuming there are several models of ring, can u send me a link for 
the one you have?  

 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

 

I just got Ring. Have the Floodlight cam. Doorbell is coming. The Ring app is 
99% accessible.

 

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I am looking for a two way intercom/doorbell system that is wired.  I really 
could care less about the video.  Here is what I need it to do.  When someone 
rings my doorbell, Ineed to hear the ring on my phone alexa, indoor speaker or 
whatever.  I then need to be able to talk to the person who rang my bell to 
find out if I want to let them in.  I would like the system to be wired so I 
don’t have to deal with changing batteries.  I thought blink app was my answer. 
 However, I have never been able to hear the doorbell on either my phone or 
alexa.  Spoke with both amazon and blink tech suport and am quite discouraged.  
According to them, I have to enable video and will then only get a visual 
notification (picture) of someone at my door.  Can anyone suggest something 
that will work for me?  Or, if you know that blink is accessible, can u help me 
make it work?  Thanks.  

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RE: ring, blink, or something altogether different

[sarai.bucciarelli]

I just got Ring. Have the Floodlight cam. Doorbell is coming. The Ring app is 
99% accessible.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 7:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: ring, blink, or something altogether different

 

I am looking for a two way intercom/doorbell system that is wired.  I really 
could care less about the video.  Here is what I need it to do.  When someone 
rings my doorbell, Ineed to hear the ring on my phone alexa, indoor speaker or 
whatever.  I then need to be able to talk to the person who rang my bell to 
find out if I want to let them in.  I would like the system to be wired so I 
don’t have to deal with changing batteries.  I thought blink app was my answer. 
 However, I have never been able to hear the doorbell on either my phone or 
alexa.  Spoke with both amazon and blink tech suport and am quite discouraged.  
According to them, I have to enable video and will then only get a visual 
notification (picture) of someone at my door.  Can anyone suggest something 
that will work for me?  Or, if you know that blink is accessible, can u help me 
make it work?  Thanks.  

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ring, blink, or something altogether different

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I am looking for a two way intercom/doorbell system that is wired.  I really
could care less about the video.  Here is what I need it to do.  When
someone rings my doorbell, Ineed to hear the ring on my phone alexa, indoor
speaker or whatever.  I then need to be able to talk to the person who rang
my bell to find out if I want to let them in.  I would like the system to be
wired so I don't have to deal with changing batteries.  I thought blink app
was my answer.  However, I have never been able to hear the doorbell on
either my phone or alexa.  Spoke with both amazon and blink tech suport and
am quite discouraged.  According to them, I have to enable video and will
then only get a visual notification (picture) of someone at my door.  Can
anyone suggest something that will work for me?  Or, if you know that blink
is accessible, can u help me make it work?  Thanks.  

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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Christopher Chaltain]

I also wear some sleep headphones at night so I can read a book without 
bothering my wife, and I don't have to worry about falling asleep while wearing 
them. Sometimes I pull them down over my eyes so they don't irritate my 
forehead. When I do this, and I have to unlock my phone in the middle of the 
night to start my BARD book again, I have to tug up my sleep phones, unplug my 
iPhone because the cord is too short, and point it at my face to unlock it. 
Obviously I could get a longer code and buy a pair of sleep ear buds, but my 
life would be a bit simpler and I'd save a bit of money if I had a touch ID 
option on my phone. This is just my particular use case.

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 3:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I agree with you about Touch ID.  I have been using an iPhone XR with Face ID 
and I miss touch ID.  For one thing, I would rather lay my finger on a home 
button than having to hold my arm away from me with my phone.  For another 
thing, the organization I work for has had a couple COVID outbreaks recently 
which caused us to need to wear masks again.  It seems that COVID will be here 
for a long time so I’m guessing this isn’t the last time for us going back to 
masks.  I’m considering an SE the next time I purchase a phone so I can have my 
touch ID back. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> And for me it's mostly been the opposite, i.e. touch ID has been more 
> reliable and convenient. There are just some times where I'd find it more 
> convenient to use my finger instead of getting my face and phone positioned 
> so face ID will work. I'm not pushing against face ID, and it wouldn't keep 
> me from buying a phone, but if I had the option then I'd be just a touch 
> happier.
> 
> --
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> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
> live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
> for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
> gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and 
> when my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is 
> just not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more 
> reliable for me.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cristóbal Muñoz
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell 
> out big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came 
> across some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had 
> Amazon's   return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or 
> if it showed up looking too rough.
> I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
> sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
> battery's at 95% too. 
> Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
> face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
> more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do 
> you need for OCR? 
> If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
> have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work 
> for the millionth time.
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the 
> SE 2020.
> As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it 
> has I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from 
> that and its larger size it would be similar in performance.
> Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new 
> iPhones are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless 
> they lost their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new 
> phone immediately.
> It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
> the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not 
> going to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any 
> existing phone will most likely only get better as 

Re: Renaming Echo

[Donna Casteen]

I'll admit I haven't read all replies, but why not just remove the device & 
repair & go through the setup again? This way you should be able to rename the 
device.

Donna

> 
> I can name all but the 4th gen echo. Interesting. Its not worth reinstalling 
> the app. LOL.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 9:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Renaming Echo
> 
> Hello Sarai,
> 
> Okay, I don't have a 4th gen echo.
> 
> Have you done a search on the web to see if anyone else has had a problem 
> renaming one?
> 
> Also, if you have another smartphone or iPad signed into your Alexa account, 
> I suggest that you try renaming it on a second device.
> 
> Finally, although it may prove to be more trouble than it's worth, you may 
> consider deleting the Alexa app from your phone / tablet, rebooting the 
> device, reinstalling Alexa, then try to rename the Echo afterwards.
> 
> A couple of months or so, ago, this was the only solution that worked for me 
> when my Alexa app refused to perform what was considered to be a normal 
> function.  I am running Alexa on an 8 Plus and an iPad.
> 
> Worse case scenario, you can simply call Amazon tech support.
> 
> Please let us know what happens.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Renaming Echo
> 
> Not working. That is what I did. I have one of the new 4th gen ones. Hit back 
> then back again. There isn't a save button.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 2:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Renaming Echo
> 
> Hello Sarai,
> 
> I am not near one of my Echoes as I write this but I have renamed them 
> without any problem, in the past.
> 
> As I recall, after entering the new name, you need only to press the back 
> button.
> 
> Now I have not renamed an Echo since Christmas and there have been a great 
> many updates to the software since then but …
> 
> If this does not work, let us know, and I will fire up an Echo and give it a 
> try to let you know.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:12 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Renaming Echo
> 
> Hi guys:
> How do you rename an echo on the Alexa app? I can edit the name but am not 
> finding a save button.
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RE: Renaming Echo

[sarai.bucciarelli]

I can name all but the 4th gen echo. Interesting. Its not worth reinstalling 
the app. LOL.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 9:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Renaming Echo

Hello Sarai,

Okay, I don't have a 4th gen echo.

Have you done a search on the web to see if anyone else has had a problem 
renaming one?

Also, if you have another smartphone or iPad signed into your Alexa account, I 
suggest that you try renaming it on a second device.

Finally, although it may prove to be more trouble than it's worth, you may 
consider deleting the Alexa app from your phone / tablet, rebooting the device, 
reinstalling Alexa, then try to rename the Echo afterwards.

A couple of months or so, ago, this was the only solution that worked for me 
when my Alexa app refused to perform what was considered to be a normal 
function.  I am running Alexa on an 8 Plus and an iPad.

Worse case scenario, you can simply call Amazon tech support.

Please let us know what happens.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Renaming Echo

Not working. That is what I did. I have one of the new 4th gen ones. Hit back 
then back again. There isn't a save button.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 2:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Renaming Echo

Hello Sarai,

I am not near one of my Echoes as I write this but I have renamed them without 
any problem, in the past.

As I recall, after entering the new name, you need only to press the back 
button.

Now I have not renamed an Echo since Christmas and there have been a great many 
updates to the software since then but …

If this does not work, let us know, and I will fire up an Echo and give it a 
try to let you know.

Mark

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Renaming Echo

Hi guys:
How do you rename an echo on the Alexa app? I can edit the name but am not 
finding a save button.
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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

Well there you go. The beauty of options right? Different strokes for different 
folks. Then again, you can use more than just your fingers for touch ID. People 
do use their nose so they don't have to take off their gloves in colder 
environs. Then you get the more ... adventurous types that use even more body 
parts for touch ID.
https://9to5mac.com/2013/09/21/touch-id-on-iphone-5s-can-be-used-with-more-than-just-your-fingers/

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and when 
my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is just 
not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more reliable for 
me.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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Re: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Ryan Mann]

I agree with you about Touch ID.  I have been using an iPhone XR with Face ID 
and I miss touch ID.  For one thing, I would rather lay my finger on a home 
button than having to hold my arm away from me with my phone.  For another 
thing, the organization I work for has had a couple COVID outbreaks recently 
which caused us to need to wear masks again.  It seems that COVID will be here 
for a long time so I’m guessing this isn’t the last time for us going back to 
masks.  I’m considering an SE the next time I purchase a phone so I can have my 
touch ID back. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 3:45 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> And for me it's mostly been the opposite, i.e. touch ID has been more 
> reliable and convenient. There are just some times where I'd find it more 
> convenient to use my finger instead of getting my face and phone positioned 
> so face ID will work. I'm not pushing against face ID, and it wouldn't keep 
> me from buying a phone, but if I had the option then I'd be just a touch 
> happier.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
> live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
> for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
> gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and 
> when my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is 
> just not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more 
> reliable for me.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Cristóbal Muñoz
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell 
> out big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came 
> across some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had 
> Amazon's   return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or 
> if it showed up looking too rough.
> I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
> sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
> battery's at 95% too. 
> Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
> face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
> more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do 
> you need for OCR? 
> If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
> have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work 
> for the millionth time.
> 
> Cristóbal
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the 
> SE 2020.
> As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it 
> has I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from 
> that and its larger size it would be similar in performance.
> Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new 
> iPhones are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless 
> they lost their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new 
> phone immediately.
> It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
> the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not 
> going to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any 
> existing phone will most likely only get better as September comes around.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones
> 
> Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the 
> se2020? I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don't 
> know if that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 
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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Christopher Chaltain]

And for me it's mostly been the opposite, i.e. touch ID has been more reliable 
and convenient. There are just some times where I'd find it more convenient to 
use my finger instead of getting my face and phone positioned so face ID will 
work. I'm not pushing against face ID, and it wouldn't keep me from buying a 
phone, but if I had the option then I'd be just a touch happier.

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Chaltain at Outlook

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 1:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and when 
my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is just 
not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more reliable for 
me.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don't know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Sieghard Weitzel]

For me Touch Id was always much less reliable than Face Id, but then again I 
live in northern British Columbia where first of all you have to wear gloves 
for at least 5 months out of the year and I also do stuff with my hands, 
gardening in the summer and woodworking more or less often year-round and when 
my fingers are full of scratches and cuts or covered in glue Touch Id is just 
not a good option whereas Face Id seems to be at least 95% or more reliable for 
me.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Cristóbal Muñoz]

I needed a second iPhone with dual sim capability and didn't want to shell out 
big bucks for one of the higher end iPhones. I poked around and came across 
some renewed SE 2020 64 GB iPhones on Amazon for $195. I figured I had Amazon's 
  return policy in case there was anything wrong with the phone or if it showed 
up looking too rough.
I don't know what made it "renewed," but it's working perfectly fine. My 
sighted wife says she didn't notice any scratches or knicks either. The 
battery's at 95% too. 
Hate is such a strong word. I mean, other than size and touch ID instead of 
face ID with a few extra features thrown in on the newer phones, they're all 
more or less the same. I mean the camera sure, but how good of a camera do you 
need for OCR? 
If anything, the SE 2020 is reminding me how much I miss touch ID whenever I 
have to annoyingly punch in my passcode on my XR when face ID doesn't work for 
the millionth time.

Cristóbal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

-Original Message-
From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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Re: conference call number identification,

[joseph hudson]

Anthony, something like this is only available if you're using zoom. And the 
person is using the telephone to call Lynn. And this is only accessible from a 
computer or a smart phone. Some conferencing services have web control freak 
and see where the people have called in. But unless we know what conferencing 
service you're using, we could not give you any better instructions.

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 6:47 AM,  
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi 
>  
> Can anyone please tell me if there is a way while i’m on a conference call i 
> would be able to check out what’s the caller number is? If so, how to do it? 
> Thanks in advance 
>  
>  
> Anthony 
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RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

[bentleyj1952]

Thanks Sieghard and Christopher.

 

My phone now looks like it is set up like I want.

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

 

Try going into Settings -> Wi-fi and turn ask to join to notify.

 

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Chaltain at Outlook

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 11:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

 

When you are at your coffee shop and are connected you can swipe down on the 
network to “More” and then double tap, after that you can toggle the “Auto 
Join” option to off and that might do it.

If it doesn’t then you have to forget the network which means if you want to 
connect to it again down the road you would have to reenter its security key. 
If there is no security key, e.g. if it is an open public network then maybe 
turning off auto join will do it. If all else fails you can always turn Wi-Fi 
off completely.

In iOS 16 you will have more options to manage networks you have connected to 
in the past, currently if you have connected to your coffee shop before but you 
are not there you won’t see that network which is why you have to wait until 
you are physically there to see if you connect automatically or not.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
bentleyj1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

 

OK, not to cause too much trouble for you but what steps would I need to take 
to prevent auto connection to the wi-fi at my coffee shop.

 

In other words, I do not want my phone auto connecting to public wi-fi’s 
without notification if possible.

 

Thank you very much,

 

James B  

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

 

If you have the Wi-Fi password for your coffee shop entered it is likely that 
your phone will connect to that network if you are in range just as it will 
connect to your home Wi-Fi as soon as you come home..

 

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bentleyj1...@gmail.com  
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 4:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Questions about wi-fi calling

 

Hi all,

 

If I walk in to my local coffee shop with wi-fi calling turned on, will my I 
Phone connect without notifying me that I am on wi-fi calling?  

 

Are there any security risk when using wi-fi calling?

 

Thanks,

 

James B  

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RE: dugging query

[Christopher Chaltain]

As Michael said, I find it annoying. I'll be listening to something and the 
volume will drop just to hear some sound icon from voiceOver. I guess I could 
turn these off, but I'd rather have them and just turn audio ducking off.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
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Subject: RE: dugging query

Why not just turn it on and forget about it? I am not sure if there is a 
negative side to having it turned on for some people, I haven't found one.

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Subject: RE: dugging query

I agree. I tried setting up the feature on the iPhone where I could just enable 
it with two knocks on the back of the phone, but I found this gesture too 
unreliable. If it worked, I could turn on audio ducking even if I couldn't hear 
VoiceOver. Instead, I settled with putting it in VoiecOver quick settings, 
which makes it tough to turn on when the media volume is overwhelming VoiceOver.

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: dugging query

I generally find it annoying if I'm listening to something like music or a 
soundscape. Audio ducking is very drastic and lowers the volume such that 
you'll be pulled out of any flow state. Sound scapes and music are dropped in 
volume enough that you'll miss hearing things other than VoiceOver. It depends 
on what you most value hearing at the time. I wish there was a settting to 
control how drastic the volume of other audio is ducked. Even better would be 
an ability to set the relative volumes of things so VoiceOver was loud enough 
to always be distinguished. It's an imperfect but at times useful tool..

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 3:43 AM Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
If audio ducking is turned on it reduces audio playing so you can better hear 
Voiceover.
For example, if you are playing music or a video and you want to pause, change 
tracks or maybe you heard a notification come in and you want to check what it 
is without stopping whatever is playing then if you have audio ducking turned 
on it is much easier to hear Voiceover because as soon as you use your phone 
and Voiceover is talking the audio volume of whatever else is playing is 
reduced. If you stop using Voiceover the audio volume is restored. I highly 
recommend to turn it on, but that is of course my personal opinion and I am 
sure others think it should be turned off.

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Hi

Can anyone explain to me what's the use of the dugging feature in iphone and 
whether or not i should leave it on or off?
Thanks in advance

Anthony
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Re: dugging query

[Flor Lynch]

If you're listening closely to music or other media content, with audio 
ducking on VoiceOver can knock that down for a bit. It's a matter of 
preference really, whether to have ducking on or not.


There may be times when you'll want it on, but other times you'll prefer 
it off.



On 19/07/2022 16:20, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Why not just turn it on and forget about it? I am not sure if there is 
a negative side to having it turned on for some people, I haven’t 
found one.


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Christopher Chaltain

*Sent:* Sunday, July 17, 2022 7:15 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: dugging query

I agree. I tried setting up the feature on the iPhone where I could 
just enable it with two knocks on the back of the phone, but I found 
this gesture too unreliable. If it worked, I could turn on audio 
ducking even if I couldn’t hear VoiceOver. Instead, I settled with 
putting it in VoiecOver quick settings, which makes it tough to turn 
on when the media volume is overwhelming VoiceOver.


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*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Michael Feir

*Sent:* Sunday, July 17, 2022 5:24 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: dugging query

I generally find it annoying if I'm listening to something like music 
or a soundscape. Audio ducking is very drastic and lowers the volume 
such that you'll be pulled out of any flow state. Sound scapes and 
music are dropped in volume enough that you'll miss hearing things 
other than VoiceOver. It depends on what you most value hearing at the 
time. I wish there was a settting to control how drastic the volume of 
other audio is ducked. Even better would be an ability to set the 
relative volumes of things so VoiceOver was loud enough to always be 
distinguished. It's an imperfect but at times useful tool..


On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 3:43 AM Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

If audio ducking is turned on it reduces audio playing so you can
better hear Voiceover.

For example, if you are playing music or a video and you want to
pause, change tracks or maybe you heard a notification come in and
you want to check what it is without stopping whatever is playing
then if you have audio ducking turned on it is much easier to hear
Voiceover because as soon as you use your phone and Voiceover is
talking the audio volume of whatever else is playing is reduced.
If you stop using Voiceover the audio volume is restored. I highly
recommend to turn it on, but that is of course my personal opinion
and I am sure others think it should be turned off.

**

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On
Behalf Of *anthonyborg...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:42 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* dugging query

Hi

Can anyone explain to me what’s the use of the dugging feature in
iphone and whether or not i should leave it on or off?

Thanks in advance

Anthony

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RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

[Christopher Chaltain]

Try going into Settings -> Wi-fi and turn ask to join to notify.

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When you are at your coffee shop and are connected you can swipe down on the 
network to "More" and then double tap, after that you can toggle the "Auto 
Join" option to off and that might do it.
If it doesn't then you have to forget the network which means if you want to 
connect to it again down the road you would have to reenter its security key. 
If there is no security key, e.g. if it is an open public network then maybe 
turning off auto join will do it. If all else fails you can always turn Wi-Fi 
off completely.
In iOS 16 you will have more options to manage networks you have connected to 
in the past, currently if you have connected to your coffee shop before but you 
are not there you won't see that network which is why you have to wait until 
you are physically there to see if you connect automatically or not.

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Subject: RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

OK, not to cause too much trouble for you but what steps would I need to take 
to prevent auto connection to the wi-fi at my coffee shop.

In other words, I do not want my phone auto connecting to public wi-fi's 
without notification if possible.

Thank you very much,

James B

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Subject: RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

If you have the Wi-Fi password for your coffee shop entered it is likely that 
your phone will connect to that network if you are in range just as it will 
connect to your home Wi-Fi as soon as you come home..

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Hi all,

If I walk in to my local coffee shop with wi-fi calling turned on, will my I 
Phone connect without notifying me that I am on wi-fi calling?

Are there any security risk when using wi-fi calling?

Thanks,

James B
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RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

[Sieghard Weitzel]

When you are at your coffee shop and are connected you can swipe down on the 
network to “More” and then double tap, after that you can toggle the “Auto 
Join” option to off and that might do it.
If it doesn’t then you have to forget the network which means if you want to 
connect to it again down the road you would have to reenter its security key. 
If there is no security key, e.g. if it is an open public network then maybe 
turning off auto join will do it. If all else fails you can always turn Wi-Fi 
off completely.
In iOS 16 you will have more options to manage networks you have connected to 
in the past, currently if you have connected to your coffee shop before but you 
are not there you won’t see that network which is why you have to wait until 
you are physically there to see if you connect automatically or not.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 9:03 AM
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Subject: RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

OK, not to cause too much trouble for you but what steps would I need to take 
to prevent auto connection to the wi-fi at my coffee shop.

In other words, I do not want my phone auto connecting to public wi-fi’s 
without notification if possible.

Thank you very much,

James B

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2022 10:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

If you have the Wi-Fi password for your coffee shop entered it is likely that 
your phone will connect to that network if you are in range just as it will 
connect to your home Wi-Fi as soon as you come home..

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Subject: Questions about wi-fi calling

Hi all,

If I walk in to my local coffee shop with wi-fi calling turned on, will my I 
Phone connect without notifying me that I am on wi-fi calling?

Are there any security risk when using wi-fi calling?

Thanks,

James B
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RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

[bentleyj1952]

OK, not to cause too much trouble for you but what steps would I need to take 
to prevent auto connection to the wi-fi at my coffee shop.

 

In other words, I do not want my phone auto connecting to public wi-fi’s 
without notification if possible.

 

Thank you very much,

 

James B  

 

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If you have the Wi-Fi password for your coffee shop entered it is likely that 
your phone will connect to that network if you are in range just as it will 
connect to your home Wi-Fi as soon as you come home..

 

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Hi all,

 

If I walk in to my local coffee shop with wi-fi calling turned on, will my I 
Phone connect without notifying me that I am on wi-fi calling?  

 

Are there any security risk when using wi-fi calling?

 

Thanks,

 

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RE: Questions about wi-fi calling

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you have the Wi-Fi password for your coffee shop entered it is likely that 
your phone will connect to that network if you are in range just as it will 
connect to your home Wi-Fi as soon as you come home..

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RE: Question about joining Wi-Fi

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If they also have an iPhone and they try to join your Wi-Fi you should get a 
request to share your credentials with them. If you approve the request they 
will be connected to your Wi-Fi without having to type in the password.
If you are somewhere else like a hotel and if one person types in the password 
they can at that point share it with another iPhone user whenb they try to join 
the same network.

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Hello everyone, is there anyway to get somebody on my Wi-Fi without having to 
give them the password. I thought there was a way to get them on my Wi-Fi yes 
that person was in my contacts. If that is possible please tell me how it works.
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RE: Iphone 11 verses se2020 phones

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It might help if you were a bit more specific as to what you hate about the SE 
2020.
As Richard said, the iPhone 11 is mostly the same as the SE 2020 inside, it has 
I believe a slightly better camera and no home button, but apart from that and 
its larger size it would be similar in performance.
Usually at this stage with only less than 2 months to go until the new iPhones 
are released I highly recommend people don't buy new phones unless they lost 
their phone or it was stolen or totally broke and they need a new phone 
immediately.
It is entirely possible that most iPhone 13 models will be discontinued once 
the iPhone 14 comes out in September, but even if you are most likely not going 
to opt for the latest and most expensive phone, the deals on any existing phone 
will most likely only get better as September comes around.

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Hello all, if I bought a iPhone 11 would I be going backwards from the se2020? 
I have the 2020 but I hate it and I can get the 11 for 299 and don’t know if 
that is a good idea. Thanks for your oppinions 

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RE: Deleting Apps on the se2020

[Sieghard Weitzel]

As far as I know most Apple stock apps can be deleted nowadays.
Even things like the App Store, Settings and the Phone app seem like they can 
be deleted, at least when you go into editing mode you can select to delete 
them and you are then prompted if you want to really go ahead with it. I for 
one am not about to try and delete my Settings app, maybe if you try to confirm 
you are then told it is  not possible, but it of course would be silly to do so 
and I am not sure why Apple let’s you even go as far as you apparently can.
It is one thing to delete an app like Mail since you can nowadays use a 
different Mail app like Outlook as your default Mail app, but to my knowledge 
there are no replacements for the Phone app, Messages, the App Store of course 
also would be not a good idea to delete.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
blazie.g...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Deleting Apps on the se2020

What app are you trying to delete?  If it is one of the original Apple apps, 
most likely you can’t delete it.

Vivian and Sallie


From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 7:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

Tried but the same screen with remove app and cancel came up no delete. Thanks

On Jul 18, 2022, at 8:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
mailto:als5...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Try the following: Go to the screen where this app is located, and triple tap 
the app name. This should bring up the context menu, and remove app should be 
in there. At the moment, I do not have an app I want to remove, so I can not 
test this solution, but I will bet it will ask you if you really want to remove 
it, you say yes, and it will be deleted. There may be a delete app icon you 
have to double tap before it asks if you really want to remove it. Let us know 
if this works. There are all kinds of things in these context menus when you 
triple tap the name of a given app, depending on the app, but remove app seems 
to be in all of them.Triple tapping the app name is the same as right clicking 
or using the context key on the computer.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Jul 18, 2022, at 9:20 AM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Thanks all I have tried everything you have suggested but nothing has 
changed... I select edit, then delete and what comes up next is remove from 
hone screen there is no delete button  I had my daughter look without vo and 
she didn’t see a way to delete the app. I will call apple some time today and 
see if they can help.

On Jul 18, 2022, at 4:57 AM, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
when you click on remove app that’s when it gives you the delete options, as 
I’ve said.

On Jul 17, 2022, at 10:42 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Everything goes fine until after I click on the delete button the only thing 
that shows on that next page is remove app and cancel. I’m not sure what’s 
going on but I wonder if I do a factory reset it might fix it. Thanks for the 
help

On Jul 17, 2022, at 9:39 PM, Dave Clement 
mailto:dclem...@mymts.net>> wrote:

Hello,

I am late to this discussion so I may be repeating things others have said 
earlier. I assume you are running the latest version of IOS, IOS 15.5, and you 
are a Voiceover user. Here is how I delete apps.

1. Flick to the app you wish to delete.
2. Flick up till you reach the "edit" option and double tap it.
3. Flick down till you reach the "delete" option and double tap it.

At this point you should get a screen that offers the "remove" option, an 
explanation of the remove function, the "delete" option, and an explanation of 
the delete function.

4. Double tap the "delete" option.

Placing yourself in "edit" mode, step #2,  is key to this operation.

I hope this helps. If it still doesn't work then I suggest you power down your 
phone then turn it back on. Sometimes, this can clear up odd errors.

Dave Clement
Winnipeg MB
,

On Jul 17, 2022, at 7:47 PM, 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

It is a game app I downloaded.

On Jul 17, 2022, at 4:15 PM, Mike B. 
mailto:mb69ma...@fastmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe you're trying to remove an Iphone system app that can't be removed.  What 
app are you trying to remove?


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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From: 'Louana Sterling' via VIPhone
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Deleting Apps on the se2020

I am beginning to think there is something wrong with my phone I do all the 
steps and with the delete button is supposed to be there is only remove and 
cancel. Do you think if I did a factory reset it would help?

On Jul 17, 2022, at 1:54 PM, alia robinson 
mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:

RE: dugging query

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Why not just turn it on and forget about it? I am not sure if there is a 
negative side to having it turned on for some people, I haven’t found one.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 7:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: dugging query

I agree. I tried setting up the feature on the iPhone where I could just enable 
it with two knocks on the back of the phone, but I found this gesture too 
unreliable. If it worked, I could turn on audio ducking even if I couldn’t hear 
VoiceOver. Instead, I settled with putting it in VoiecOver quick settings, 
which makes it tough to turn on when the media volume is overwhelming VoiceOver.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Feir
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 5:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: dugging query

I generally find it annoying if I'm listening to something like music or a 
soundscape. Audio ducking is very drastic and lowers the volume such that 
you'll be pulled out of any flow state. Sound scapes and music are dropped in 
volume enough that you'll miss hearing things other than VoiceOver. It depends 
on what you most value hearing at the time. I wish there was a settting to 
control how drastic the volume of other audio is ducked. Even better would be 
an ability to set the relative volumes of things so VoiceOver was loud enough 
to always be distinguished. It's an imperfect but at times useful tool..

On Sun, Jul 17, 2022 at 3:43 AM Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
If audio ducking is turned on it reduces audio playing so you can better hear 
Voiceover.
For example, if you are playing music or a video and you want to pause, change 
tracks or maybe you heard a notification come in and you want to check what it 
is without stopping whatever is playing then if you have audio ducking turned 
on it is much easier to hear Voiceover because as soon as you use your phone 
and Voiceover is talking the audio volume of whatever else is playing is 
reduced. If you stop using Voiceover the audio volume is restored. I highly 
recommend to turn it on, but that is of course my personal opinion and I am 
sure others think it should be turned off.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
anthonyborg...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2022 12:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: dugging query

Hi

Can anyone explain to me what’s the use of the dugging feature in iphone and 
whether or not i should leave it on or off?
Thanks in advance

Anthony
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RE: does the roomba detect stairs?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Once again, Mich is from Ontario so he most likely looked up Canadian pricing 
which is most likely about 30% higher due to the exchange rate.

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Subject: RE: does the roomba detect stairs?

Hi many thanks. I just looked at the price of the roborock and it seems a bit 
steep it was over 1000 from Mich. 

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Arrigo
Sent: July 17, 2022 7:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: does the roomba detect stairs?

Every robot vacuum that is currently available has drop sensors to prevent 
falling down stairs so this should not be an issue, I would definitely go for a 
Roborock instead of a Roomba.

> On Jul 17, 2022, at 5:50 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
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> Hi all I know how accessible the Roomba app is by readin the reviews but I am 
> wondering if it detects stairs? Since I live in a one bedroom upstairs apt 
> and if I was going to get this vacume or another one the roborocks one I 
> would not want it to stumble down the stairs. Many thanks. From Mich.
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RE: does the roomba detect stairs?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Why don't you go to the manufacturer's website and get the information from the 
horse's mouth so to speak.
Also a simple Google search for "Roborock E series vs S series" will probably 
yield comparisons and reviews.

As for Mich saying he couldn't find anything for $200, keep in mind that most 
people discussing this are from the US so if it's $200 in the US it means it's 
probably at least $260 to $300 here in Canada.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: does the roomba detect stairs?

I know I should probably look myself, but if someone could tell me what the 
difference is between this and the S series?  I'm thinking I'd rather spend the 
money on all or most of the bells and whistles and don't want to be unhappy if 
I buy a less expensive model that doesn't have what I need.  Is there a good 
site to go to see a comparison of them all?

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Worrying does not empty tomorrow of its troubles, it empties today of its 
strength.
Corrie Ten Boom - 1892-1983 - Watchmaker

- Original Message -
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To: 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 6:21 AM
Subject: RE: does the roomba detect stairs?


I'm not really in the market for an E5 myself, but here's two links I found 
rather quickly for the Roborock E5 at $200 or less.

Here's a link to Walmart with an E5 for $200. 
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Roborock-E5-Mop-Robot-Vacuum-and-Mop-Cleaner-Internal-Route-Plan-with-2500Pa-Strong-Suction/651183950?wmlspartner=wlpa=101051411=222470986220=wmtlabs=e=o=c=74560780901772=pla-4578160310732122Walmart=Online=651183950_10001070788=roborock%20costco=sem=65c1d18e994a10f4c64cb35bd87d2f7e=3p.ds=65c1d18e994a10f4c64cb35bd87d2f7e

Here's a link to the E5 from Amazon for $289 and you can take $110 off of 
that with a coupon. 
https://www.amazon.com/roborock-Cleaner-Suction-5200mAh-Compatible/dp/B08Z7ZYGKW?th=1

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: does the roomba detect stairs?

Hi I looked at roborock moddles and didn't see the e five for 200. I saw a s 
or q searies for 400 from best buy but nothing for 200. From Mich.

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RE: question is it possible to use ms. soundscape to just get to a marker and not have a root to it? or is it possible to have ms soundscape start in the middle of a root?

[michv]

Hi all I just tried this and you are right you are able to start the marker and 
get derections to the beakin for shure. From Mich.

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Frank
Sent: July 19, 2022 10:52 AM
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Cc: Tom Frank 
Subject: Re: question is it possible to use ms. soundscape to just get to a 
marker and not have a root to it? or is it possible to have ms soundscape start 
in the middle of a root?

I have started a route in the middle, but, since I am not using Sound Scape 
right now, I cannot tell you what to do. I believe I went to the route and 
double tapped the marker where I wanted to start. 

Just using a marker with out a route is similar to using Ariadne GPS. It will 
constantly tell you the direction and distance to the marker if you have set it 
as a beacon. Obviously you will not have intermediate markers and direction on 
the way. Also, it the constant dinging in your ears drives you nuts, just push 
the stop button on your headphones or whatever you are using and the app will 
only give you the distance to the beacon about every fifty feet or so.
Thomas Frank
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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:53 AM, Thom Spittle  wrote:
> 
> Just to clarify a little bit a route is a string of markers that help you 
> navigate to a particular location. If you just have Tim Horton as a marker, 
> you can leave the app off and whenever you need the help turn the app on and 
> set the beacon which is the audio marker to Tim Horton and it will take you 
> the rest of the way. A beacon is simply a marker that is in focus and has the 
> sound. If you are not concerned as much about battery life, you can keep the 
> app running but silence the audio marker until you get close. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:26 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all I have been using ms. Soundscape with my apple air pods and I just 
>> set a root to tim hortons from home or ome to tim hortons. I am wondering is 
>> it possible to use sound scape and just go to a marker with out setting a 
>> root to it? Or can you start soundscape in the middle of a root and it will 
>> pick up where you are on that root? For instince let’s say that I know haff 
>> of a root but am not shure of the other haff. Would it be possible to pick 
>> up soundscape and start it haff way through a root and it would know where 
>> you were on the root? Many thanks. From Mich. 
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Re: Renaming Echo

[Cheryl LeFurgey]

> Hi, everyone.
I just renamed two of my echo dots, both fourth gen.
All I did was go to the Alexa app, then devices, then all devices.
Once there, tap on the name of the device you want to change, then on device 
settings.
You'll see your current device name, then VO should say edit name. Double tap, 
delete what's there and type the name you want, then hit return on your 
onscreen keyboard.
The name should be changed now. At least, that's what worked for me, so 
hopefully it'll help anyone else who wants to rename their echo.

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RE: Renaming Echo

[M. Taylor]

Hello Sarai,

Okay, I don't have a 4th gen echo.

Have you done a search on the web to see if anyone else has had a problem 
renaming one?

Also, if you have another smartphone or iPad signed into your Alexa account, I 
suggest that you try renaming it on a second device.

Finally, although it may prove to be more trouble than it's worth, you may 
consider deleting the Alexa app from your phone / tablet, rebooting the device, 
reinstalling Alexa, then try to rename the Echo afterwards.

A couple of months or so, ago, this was the only solution that worked for me 
when my Alexa app refused to perform what was considered to be a normal 
function.  I am running Alexa on an 8 Plus and an iPad.

Worse case scenario, you can simply call Amazon tech support.

Please let us know what happens.

Mark

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Not working. That is what I did. I have one of the new 4th gen ones. Hit back 
then back again. There isn't a save button.

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Hello Sarai,

I am not near one of my Echoes as I write this but I have renamed them without 
any problem, in the past.

As I recall, after entering the new name, you need only to press the back 
button.

Now I have not renamed an Echo since Christmas and there have been a great many 
updates to the software since then but …

If this does not work, let us know, and I will fire up an Echo and give it a 
try to let you know.

Mark

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Hi guys:
How do you rename an echo on the Alexa app? I can edit the name but am not 
finding a save button.
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Re: question is it possible to use ms. soundscape to just get to a marker and not have a root to it? or is it possible to have ms soundscape start in the middle of a root?

[Thomas Frank]

I have started a route in the middle, but, since I am not using Sound Scape 
right now, I cannot tell you what to do. I believe I went to the route and 
double tapped the marker where I wanted to start. 

Just using a marker with out a route is similar to using Ariadne GPS. It will 
constantly tell you the direction and distance to the marker if you have set it 
as a beacon. Obviously you will not have intermediate markers and direction on 
the way. Also, it the constant dinging in your ears drives you nuts, just push 
the stop button on your headphones or whatever you are using and the app will 
only give you the distance to the beacon about every fifty feet or so.
Thomas Frank
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> On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:53 AM, Thom Spittle  wrote:
> 
> Just to clarify a little bit a route is a string of markers that help you 
> navigate to a particular location. If you just have Tim Horton as a marker, 
> you can leave the app off and whenever you need the help turn the app on and 
> set the beacon which is the audio marker to Tim Horton and it will take you 
> the rest of the way. A beacon is simply a marker that is in focus and has the 
> sound. If you are not concerned as much about battery life, you can keep the 
> app running but silence the audio marker until you get close. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:26 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all I have been using ms. Soundscape with my apple air pods and I just 
>> set a root to tim hortons from home or ome to tim hortons. I am wondering is 
>> it possible to use sound scape and just go to a marker with out setting a 
>> root to it? Or can you start soundscape in the middle of a root and it will 
>> pick up where you are on that root? For instince let’s say that I know haff 
>> of a root but am not shure of the other haff. Would it be possible to pick 
>> up soundscape and start it haff way through a root and it would know where 
>> you were on the root? Many thanks. From Mich. 
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Re: question is it possible to use ms. soundscape to just get to a marker and not have a root to it? or is it possible to have ms soundscape start in the middle of a root?

[Thom Spittle]

Just to clarify a little bit a route is a string of markers that help you 
navigate to a particular location. If you just have Tim Horton as a marker, you 
can leave the app off and whenever you need the help turn the app on and set 
the beacon which is the audio marker to Tim Horton and it will take you the 
rest of the way. A beacon is simply a marker that is in focus and has the 
sound. If you are not concerned as much about battery life, you can keep the 
app running but silence the audio marker until you get close. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2022, at 8:26 AM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
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> 
> Hi all I have been using ms. Soundscape with my apple air pods and I just set 
> a root to tim hortons from home or ome to tim hortons. I am wondering is it 
> possible to use sound scape and just go to a marker with out setting a root 
> to it? Or can you start soundscape in the middle of a root and it will pick 
> up where you are on that root? For instince let’s say that I know haff of a 
> root but am not shure of the other haff. Would it be possible to pick up 
> soundscape and start it haff way through a root and it would know where you 
> were on the root? Many thanks. From Mich.
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question is it possible to use ms. soundscape to just get to a marker and not have a root to it? or is it possible to have ms soundscape start in the middle of a root?

[michv]

Hi all I have been using ms. Soundscape with my apple air pods and I just
set a root to tim hortons from home or ome to tim hortons. I am wondering is
it possible to use sound scape and just go to a marker with out setting a
root to it? Or can you start soundscape in the middle of a root and it will
pick up where you are on that root? For instince let's say that I know haff
of a root but am not shure of the other haff. Would it be possible to pick
up soundscape and start it haff way through a root and it would know where
you were on the root? Many thanks. From Mich. 

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conference call number identification,

[anthonyborg001]

Hi 

 

Can anyone please tell me if there is a way while i'm on a conference call i
would be able to check out what's the caller number is? If so, how to do it?


Thanks in advance 

 

 

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