Re: Bt keyboard question

[Thom Spittle]

Not a problem. I’m glad you got it working. So that right VO key and the arrows 
simulate a three finger swipe. Left is a three finger swipe left. And right is 
a three finger swipe right which is good on your home screen or Kindle. The up 
and down are reverse of what you would normally do with three finger swipe. So 
the right VO and the swipe up with three fingers which scratch that the right 
video, and the up arrow will give you the notification Center, and the right 
video, and the down arrow would give you the control center. What I was going 
to tell you is the left the OK and the up arrow will take you to the top left 
part of the screen and the left VO key and the down arrow will take you to the 
bottom, right hand corner of the screen. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:53 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
> 
> Tom, that’ll teach me to read the whole message before replying, I didn’t 
> see that bit!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:51, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>> 
>> That is what it is supposed to say. And that’s when you do the right, VO 
>> key and the down arrow. If my other message didn’t come through, give me a 
>> quick call and I can explain it to you. 803–331–3344. I will also tell you 
>> have a couple more keystrokes you may not know about.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:47 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tom, sorry I was being thick, I worked it out as soon as I sent the msg. 
>>> Unfortunately, the 1st part works, but the 2nd pard doesn’t.. All it does 
>>> is say: swipe up with 3 fingers for control Center, swipe down with 3 
>>> fingers for notification Center, which is less than helpful!Tom
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:44, Thom Spittle  wrote:
 
 Hey Alex, the VO, or voice over keyboard command is a set of two keys 
 held down. It seems to vary, depending on the device and the keyboard. 
 Sometimes the VO keys are the first and the third key, sometimes the first 
 and the fourth key, and on most, Apple keyboards, the second and third 
 key. When I mentioned the right VO key, it would be the right hand key 
 that you would use for the voiceover combination. So if your device uses 
 the first and third key for the voice over command, then it would be the 
 third key would be your right VO key. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:38 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Tom, I remembered the 1st bit but not the 2md, out of interest, 
> what’s the right-hand vo kye?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:15, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and the 
>> letter M to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just the right 
>> VO key and the down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe up and that 
>> should open the control center.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth keyboard 
>>> in iOS 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I can’t remember 
>>> what it is.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Bt keyboard question

[Alex Stone]

Tom, that’ll teach me to read the whole message before replying, I didn’t see 
that bit!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:51, Thom Spittle  wrote:
> 
> That is what it is supposed to say. And that’s when you do the right, VO key 
> and the down arrow. If my other message didn’t come through, give me a quick 
> call and I can explain it to you. 803–331–3344. I will also tell you have a 
> couple more keystrokes you may not know about.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:47 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>> 
>> Tom, sorry I was being thick, I worked it out as soon as I sent the msg. 
>> Unfortunately, the 1st part works, but the 2nd pard doesn’t.. All it does is 
>> say: swipe up with 3 fingers for control Center, swipe down with 3 fingers 
>> for notification Center, which is less than helpful!Tom
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:44, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Alex, the VO, or voice over keyboard command is a set of two keys held 
>>> down. It seems to vary, depending on the device and the keyboard. Sometimes 
>>> the VO keys are the first and the third key, sometimes the first and the 
>>> fourth key, and on most, Apple keyboards, the second and third key. When I 
>>> mentioned the right VO key, it would be the right hand key that you would 
>>> use for the voiceover combination. So if your device uses the first and 
>>> third key for the voice over command, then it would be the third key would 
>>> be your right VO key. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:38 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
 
 Thanks Tom, I remembered the 1st bit but not the 2md, out of interest, 
 what’s the right-hand vo kye?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:15, Thom Spittle  wrote:
> 
> OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and the 
> letter M to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just the right 
> VO key and the down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe up and that 
> should open the control center.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth keyboard in 
>> iOS 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I can’t remember what 
>> it is.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Bt keyboard question

[Thom Spittle]

That is what it is supposed to say. And that’s when you do the right, VO key 
and the down arrow. If my other message didn’t come through, give me a quick 
call and I can explain it to you. 803–331–3344. I will also tell you have a 
couple more keystrokes you may not know about.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:47 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
> 
> Tom, sorry I was being thick, I worked it out as soon as I sent the msg. 
> Unfortunately, the 1st part works, but the 2nd pard doesn’t.. All it does is 
> say: swipe up with 3 fingers for control Center, swipe down with 3 fingers 
> for notification Center, which is less than helpful!Tom
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:44, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Alex, the VO, or voice over keyboard command is a set of two keys held 
>> down. It seems to vary, depending on the device and the keyboard. Sometimes 
>> the VO keys are the first and the third key, sometimes the first and the 
>> fourth key, and on most, Apple keyboards, the second and third key. When I 
>> mentioned the right VO key, it would be the right hand key that you would 
>> use for the voiceover combination. So if your device uses the first and 
>> third key for the voice over command, then it would be the third key would 
>> be your right VO key. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:38 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Tom, I remembered the 1st bit but not the 2md, out of interest, 
>>> what’s the right-hand vo kye?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:15, Thom Spittle  wrote:
 
 OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and the 
 letter M to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just the right 
 VO key and the down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe up and that 
 should open the control center.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
> 
> Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth keyboard in 
> iOS 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I can’t remember what it 
> is.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Bt keyboard question

[Alex Stone]

Tom, sorry I was being thick, I worked it out as soon as I sent the msg. 
Unfortunately, the 1st part works, but the 2nd pard doesn’t.. All it does is 
say: swipe up with 3 fingers for control Center, swipe down with 3 fingers for 
notification Center, which is less than helpful!Tom

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:44, Thom Spittle  wrote:
> 
> Hey Alex, the VO, or voice over keyboard command is a set of two keys held 
> down. It seems to vary, depending on the device and the keyboard. Sometimes 
> the VO keys are the first and the third key, sometimes the first and the 
> fourth key, and on most, Apple keyboards, the second and third key. When I 
> mentioned the right VO key, it would be the right hand key that you would use 
> for the voiceover combination. So if your device uses the first and third key 
> for the voice over command, then it would be the third key would be your 
> right VO key. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:38 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Tom, I remembered the 1st bit but not the 2md, out of interest, 
>> what’s the right-hand vo kye?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:15, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and the 
>>> letter M to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just the right VO 
>>> key and the down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe up and that should 
>>> open the control center.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
 
 Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth keyboard in 
 iOS 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I can’t remember what it 
 is.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Bt keyboard question

[Thom Spittle]

Alex, can you give me a quick phone call? My phone number is 803–3 31–3344.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:44 PM, Thom Spittle  wrote:
> 
> Hey Alex, the VO, or voice over keyboard command is a set of two keys held 
> down. It seems to vary, depending on the device and the keyboard. Sometimes 
> the VO keys are the first and the third key, sometimes the first and the 
> fourth key, and on most, Apple keyboards, the second and third key. When I 
> mentioned the right VO key, it would be the right hand key that you would use 
> for the voiceover combination. So if your device uses the first and third key 
> for the voice over command, then it would be the third key would be your 
> right VO key. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:38 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Tom, I remembered the 1st bit but not the 2md, out of interest, 
>> what’s the right-hand vo kye?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:15, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and the 
>>> letter M to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just the right VO 
>>> key and the down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe up and that should 
>>> open the control center.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
 
 Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth keyboard in 
 iOS 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I can’t remember what it 
 is.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Bt keyboard question

[Thom Spittle]

Hey Alex, the VO, or voice over keyboard command is a set of two keys held 
down. It seems to vary, depending on the device and the keyboard. Sometimes the 
VO keys are the first and the third key, sometimes the first and the fourth 
key, and on most, Apple keyboards, the second and third key. When I mentioned 
the right VO key, it would be the right hand key that you would use for the 
voiceover combination. So if your device uses the first and third key for the 
voice over command, then it would be the third key would be your right VO key. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:38 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Tom, I remembered the 1st bit but not the 2md, out of interest, 
> what’s the right-hand vo kye?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:15, Thom Spittle  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and the 
>> letter M to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just the right VO 
>> key and the down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe up and that should 
>> open the control center.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth keyboard in 
>>> iOS 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I can’t remember what it 
>>> is.
>>> 
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Re: Bt keyboard question

[Alex Stone]

Thanks Tom, I remembered the 1st bit but not the 2md, out of interest, what’s 
the right-hand vo kye?

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 Nov 2022, at 01:15, Thom Spittle  wrote:
> 
> OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and the 
> letter M to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just the right VO 
> key and the down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe up and that should 
> open the control center.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth keyboard in iOS 
>> 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I can’t remember what it is.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Bt keyboard question

[Thom Spittle]

OK, so there are two parts. The first one is using the VO keys and the letter M 
to go to the status bar. The next step is to use just the right VO key and the 
down arrow to simulate a three finger swipe up and that should open the control 
center.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Alex Stone  wrote:
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> Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth keyboard in iOS 
> 16? I’m sure there used to be a command, but I can’t remember what it is.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Bt keyboard question

[Alex Stone]

Is there any way to get to control Center using a Bluetooth keyboard in iOS 16? 
I’m sure there used to be a command, but I can’t remember what it is.

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RE: Is this a potential security problem?

[Carolyn]

Mike, I never thought I'd know something you didn't about the iPhone. Go to 
Accessibility, VoiceOver, and flick until you get to Attention. Go there, and 
you'll find Attention Awareness. I think most of us turn it off. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 4:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a potential security problem?

Hi Christopher,
 
I've never heard of the Attention Awareness setting you mentioned.  Is this 
setting only available on some iPhones running iOS16, or is it available on all 
iPhones with all iOS versions?
 
Also, where can this setting be found?  Thanks mooy moocho.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Chaltain   
To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: Is this a potential security problem?


Plus attention awareness is on by default, so this person would have to know 
that blind people tend to turn attention awareness off and then be able to 
snatch your phone away from you without you knowing it to keep you from just 
turning your head. I guess technically touch ID also isn’t secure, since 
someone could hit you over the head and then press your finger print to the 
finger print sensor, which come to think of it, I see all the time when reading 
these spy novels.

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a potential security problem?

 

My initial reaction was that you are being New York paranoid.

It is just as likely that a mugger could wack a blind person on the head, and 
put their finger on the device to unlock it if it has the home button.

I've never heard of either thing happening anywhere.

And, good luck to the thief who knows nothing about VoiceOver doing anything 
with the phone. Which leads me to my personal approach. The screen curtain is 
always on unless I need a sighted person's help, or want to show them 
something. So, again, good luck to the person who could use face ID to unlock 
my phone only to find a blank screen and something jabbering at them.

Also, if you are holding your phone out in front of you, rather than wearing it 
in a harness for orientation or directions, you are putting yourself more at 
risk.

 

 

 

 

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consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 





On Nov 16, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Steve Matzura mailto:number6...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Often I hear stories in the news of people who are mugged and their 
phones stolen. If someone's phone is stolen, what's to prevent the mugger from 
snatching the phone, holding the phone up to their face, and unlocking it with 
Face ID, then taking off and disappearing with an unlocked phone and access to 
all the information contained therein? If a visually impaired person loses 
their phone, this is not an unlikely scenario as the mugger can take the device 
and just wait around and follow the visually impaired person without them 
knowing it, then, when the time is right, whip out the phone and get it 
unlocked without the owner ever even knowing it happened. Might it not be a bad 
idea to disable unlocking with Face ID? Or am I just being New York paranoid?

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Re: Is this a potential security problem?

[Mike B.]

Hi Christopher,

I've never heard of the Attention Awareness setting you mentioned.  Is this 
setting only available on some iPhones running iOS16, or is it available on 
all iPhones with all iOS versions?

Also, where can this setting be found?  Thanks mooy moocho.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: Is this a potential security problem?


Plus attention awareness is on by default, so this person would have to know 
that blind people tend to turn attention awareness off and then be able to 
snatch your phone away from you without you knowing it to keep you from just 
turning your head. I guess technically touch ID also isn’t secure, since 
someone could hit you over the head and then press your finger print to the 
finger print sensor, which come to think of it, I see all the time when 
reading these spy novels.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a potential security problem?



My initial reaction was that you are being New York paranoid.

It is just as likely that a mugger could wack a blind person on the head, 
and put their finger on the device to unlock it if it has the home button.

I've never heard of either thing happening anywhere.

And, good luck to the thief who knows nothing about VoiceOver doing anything 
with the phone. Which leads me to my personal approach. The screen curtain 
is always on unless I need a sighted person's help, or want to show them 
something. So, again, good luck to the person who could use face ID to 
unlock my phone only to find a blank screen and something jabbering at them.

Also, if you are holding your phone out in front of you, rather than wearing 
it in a harness for orientation or directions, you are putting yourself more 
at risk.









Richard, USA.

“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin

My web site: https://www.turner42.com







  On Nov 16, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

  Often I hear stories in the news of people who are mugged and their 
phones stolen. If someone's phone is stolen, what's to prevent the mugger 
from snatching the phone, holding the phone up to their face, and unlocking 
it with Face ID, then taking off and disappearing with an unlocked phone and 
access to all the information contained therein? If a visually impaired 
person loses their phone, this is not an unlikely scenario as the mugger can 
take the device and just wait around and follow the visually impaired person 
without them knowing it, then, when the time is right, whip out the phone 
and get it unlocked without the owner ever even knowing it happened. Might 
it not be a bad idea to disable unlocking with Face ID? Or am I just being 
New York paranoid?

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Re: Is this a potential security problem?

[Kelly Pierce]

I have never had to use pepper spray. The cans last for a few years
and have expiration dates posted on them. I am prepared to taste the
pepper spray, but I know most of it will go on the offender rather
than me.

I had only two incidents. One time I was wearing a pager on my belt.
The criminal followed me down a residential street, pushed me forward
and pulled the pager off my belt. This demonstrates that I would not
have been victimized if the criminals did not see the pager.

Another incident was in winter and I was in a transfer tunnel between
two subway lines at the afternoon rush.  The criminal puts his arms
around me and pulls out the gloves and hat from coat pockets.  I
started shouting about it and other passengers forced the criminal to
give me back my gloves and hat.

Kelly



On 11/17/22, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Kelly,
> Have you ever had to use the pepper spray?
>
> How do you avoid blow-back from the spray?
>
> How long are the cans good for?  Any concerns about them failing to work
> because they are too old?
>
> Personal crimes are up everywhere, so this is good information to have if
> you tend to walk alone a lot.
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”
>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly
> Pierce
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 8:38 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Is this a potential security problem?
>
> I have been a victim advocate in Chicago for more than 25 years.
> Criminals seem to target blind people less often for robberies because a
> blind person does not know that a gun is pointed at them or that a criminal
> is displaying an unsheathed knife. This needs to be explained and described
> to the blind person before they comply with the criminal. They want to act
> quickly and disappear and the extra communications needed for compliance
> requires extra time and hassle.
>
> More likely, the blind person will experience theft when a phone is left on
> a table at a public place like a restaurant and a criminal picks it up and
> runs away with the phone. Phones left in coats or unattended backpacks are
> also in jeopardy of theft. Another theft possibility is when a blind person
> is casually using the phone on a train or a bus and the criminal yanks it
> out of the user’s hand and runs away when the door is open. As mentioned, a
> common way to avoid phone robberies is to avoid using the iPhone in public.
> When it needs to be used, such as with a navigation app, the phone should be
> in a pocket or held closely near the body with a hand firmly grasping it.
> Sighted criminals target those who are flashy with their Apple tech.
> I also have a strategy to prevent criminals from getting in my face and
> causing problems to my safety. I carry around a two or three ounce can of
> Heatwave brand pepper spray, Napalm strength. This is way more intense then
> the pepper spray sold in most retail stores and even more intense and
> painful than the pepper spray police use.  Fox is another good brand. These
> pepper sprays drop bad guys in seconds because they strip the protective
> oily layer on the surface of the skin so pain is felt immediately. I get the
> fog version as a blind person because it is difficult to aim a stream
> accurately. A three second blast of Heatwave Napalm strength to a criminal
> putting a phone up to my face will cause him to drop the iPhone and writhe
> in an inescapable cloud of intense and sustained pain. Small belt pouches
> are sold for pepper spray cans so the container is easily available within
> arm’s reach.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
> On 11/16/22, Dennis Long  wrote:
>> If you are that paranoid ditch your smart phone get a flip phone and
>> call it a day.  I've never heard of this happening.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Steve Matzura
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 4:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Is this a potential security problem?
>>
>> Often I hear stories in the news of people who are mugged and their
>> phones stolen. If someone's phone is stolen, what's to prevent the
>> mugger from snatching the phone, holding the phone up to their face,
>> and unlocking it with Face ID, then taking off and disappearing with
>> an unlocked phone and access to all the information contained therein?
>> If a visually impaired person loses their phone, this is not an
>> unlikely scenario as the mugger can take the device and just wait
>> around and follow the visually impaired person without them knowing
>> it, then, when the time is right, whip out the phone and get it
>> unlocked without the owner ever even knowing it happened. Might it not
>> be a bad idea to disable unlocking with Face ID? Or am I just being New
>> York paranoid?
>>
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what about notification and dictation bugs in the public beta 3 of ios16?

[davycuppens]

Dear all 

I knew that in Beta2 no VO bugs were resolved. How is BEta 3 running about
those dictation and notification bugs not showing up on the lock screen?

This is about public betas and I write this because if the problems have not
been addressed, we should all report again and again and again those bugs
after each new public beta version of ios16.2.
Regards
Davy 


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Re: Unable to rename a playlist in apple music

[Kimberly]

OK, got it now. Yes, I have the same issue. Probably something we should both 
report to Apple Accessibility.

Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
” those who seek to band books are wrong, no matter how dangerous books can 
be.“ Viet Thanh Nguyen

> On Nov 16, 2022, at 6:12 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
> 
> Kimberly, sorry, what I meant to say was, I was unable to give a name to a 
> new play list. W Was getting ready to make a holiday play list and can’t 
> figure out how to give it a name. Instead, it’s just the first song on the 
> list that appears to be the title.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2022, at 1:10 PM, Kimberly  wrote:
>> 
>> Dan, 
>> 
>> I can't help with the renaming problem as I am still having that same issue 
>> myself.  But when you say you are unable to edit a playlist do you mean 
>> you’re unable to delete songs? I can help you with that if that’s what you 
>> mean.
>> 
>> In order to remove songs from an existing playlist, first double tap the 
>> more button at the top of the screen. Once you have entered the playlist you 
>> want to edit. You will then see an edit button and you want to double tap 
>> that. Go down to the song that you want to remove and swipe up with one 
>> finger. I believe the first option is delete, and if you double tap, that 
>> song will be deleted from the playlist.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Kimber's Red iPhone
>> ” those who seek to band books are wrong, no matter how dangerous books can 
>> be.“ Viet Thanh Nguyen
>> 
 On Nov 15, 2022, at 2:58 PM, Dan Yates  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kimberly and others, I am an Apple Music subscriber and have encountered 
>>> the same things you’ve described in your message. I can neither edit an 
>>> existing playlist or assign a title to a new one. Can anyone help with this?
>>> Dan USA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Oct 9, 2022, at 9:37 AM, Kimberly Gardner  
> wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I think this problem has been around for a couple of iOS releases now.
 
 Using voiceover on my iPhone, I am unable to edit/change the title of
 playlists. It doesn't matter if it is a playlist I created myself or a
 new playlist I am attempting to create. I double tap the field
 containing the name of the playlist I am unable to navigate by
 character or to delete whatever name is in the field. By positioning
 the cursor at the beginning of the field I am able to type additional
 characters in front of any existing text, but I can't otherwise edit
 the name.
 
 Does anyone have a solution for this problem? It makes managing my
 playlists really difficult.
 
 Thanks for any info.
 
 Kim
 
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RE: Is this a potential security problem?

[Richard Turner]

Kelly,
Have you ever had to use the pepper spray?

How do you avoid blow-back from the spray?

How long are the cans good for?  Any concerns about them failing to work 
because they are too old?

Personal crimes are up everywhere, so this is good information to have if you 
tend to walk alone a lot.





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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kelly 
Pierce
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2022 8:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Is this a potential security problem?

I have been a victim advocate in Chicago for more than 25 years.
Criminals seem to target blind people less often for robberies because a blind 
person does not know that a gun is pointed at them or that a criminal is 
displaying an unsheathed knife. This needs to be explained and described to the 
blind person before they comply with the criminal. They want to act quickly and 
disappear and the extra communications needed for compliance requires extra 
time and hassle.

More likely, the blind person will experience theft when a phone is left on a 
table at a public place like a restaurant and a criminal picks it up and runs 
away with the phone. Phones left in coats or unattended backpacks are also in 
jeopardy of theft. Another theft possibility is when a blind person is casually 
using the phone on a train or a bus and the criminal yanks it out of the user’s 
hand and runs away when the door is open. As mentioned, a common way to avoid 
phone robberies is to avoid using the iPhone in public. When it needs to be 
used, such as with a navigation app, the phone should be in a pocket or held 
closely near the body with a hand firmly grasping it.
Sighted criminals target those who are flashy with their Apple tech.
I also have a strategy to prevent criminals from getting in my face and causing 
problems to my safety. I carry around a two or three ounce can of Heatwave 
brand pepper spray, Napalm strength. This is way more intense then the pepper 
spray sold in most retail stores and even more intense and painful than the 
pepper spray police use.  Fox is another good brand. These pepper sprays drop 
bad guys in seconds because they strip the protective oily layer on the surface 
of the skin so pain is felt immediately. I get the fog version as a blind 
person because it is difficult to aim a stream accurately. A three second blast 
of Heatwave Napalm strength to a criminal putting a phone up to my face will 
cause him to drop the iPhone and writhe in an inescapable cloud of intense and 
sustained pain. Small belt pouches are sold for pepper spray cans so the 
container is easily available within arm’s reach.

Kelly




On 11/16/22, Dennis Long  wrote:
> If you are that paranoid ditch your smart phone get a flip phone and 
> call it a day.  I've never heard of this happening.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Steve Matzura
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 4:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is this a potential security problem?
>
> Often I hear stories in the news of people who are mugged and their 
> phones stolen. If someone's phone is stolen, what's to prevent the 
> mugger from snatching the phone, holding the phone up to their face, 
> and unlocking it with Face ID, then taking off and disappearing with 
> an unlocked phone and access to all the information contained therein? 
> If a visually impaired person loses their phone, this is not an 
> unlikely scenario as the mugger can take the device and just wait 
> around and follow the visually impaired person without them knowing 
> it, then, when the time is right, whip out the phone and get it 
> unlocked without the owner ever even knowing it happened. Might it not 
> be a bad idea to disable unlocking with Face ID? Or am I just being New York 
> paranoid?
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Re: Is this a potential security problem?

[Kelly Pierce]

I have been a victim advocate in Chicago for more than 25 years.
Criminals seem to target blind people less often for robberies because
a blind person does not know that a gun is pointed at them or that a
criminal is displaying an unsheathed knife. This needs to be explained
and described to the blind person before they comply with the
criminal. They want to act quickly and disappear and the extra
communications needed for compliance requires extra time and hassle.

More likely, the blind person will experience theft when a phone is
left on a table at a public place like a restaurant and a criminal
picks it up and runs away with the phone. Phones left in coats or
unattended backpacks are also in jeopardy of theft. Another theft
possibility is when a blind person is casually using the phone on a
train or a bus and the criminal yanks it out of the user’s hand and
runs away when the door is open. As mentioned, a common way to avoid
phone robberies is to avoid using the iPhone in public. When it needs
to be used, such as with a navigation app, the phone should be in a
pocket or held closely near the body with a hand firmly grasping it.
Sighted criminals target those who are flashy with their Apple tech.
I also have a strategy to prevent criminals from getting in my face
and causing problems to my safety. I carry around a two or three ounce
can of Heatwave brand pepper spray, Napalm strength. This is way more
intense then the pepper spray sold in most retail stores and even more
intense and painful than the pepper spray police use.  Fox is another
good brand. These pepper sprays drop bad guys in seconds because they
strip the protective oily layer on the surface of the skin so pain is
felt immediately. I get the fog version as a blind person because it
is difficult to aim a stream accurately. A three second blast of
Heatwave Napalm strength to a criminal putting a phone up to my face
will cause him to drop the iPhone and writhe in an inescapable cloud
of intense and sustained pain. Small belt pouches are sold for pepper
spray cans so the container is easily available within arm’s reach.

Kelly




On 11/16/22, Dennis Long  wrote:
> If you are that paranoid ditch your smart phone get a flip phone and call it
> a day.  I've never heard of this happening.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Steve
> Matzura
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2022 4:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Is this a potential security problem?
>
> Often I hear stories in the news of people who are mugged and their phones
> stolen. If someone's phone is stolen, what's to prevent the mugger from
> snatching the phone, holding the phone up to their face, and unlocking it
> with Face ID, then taking off and disappearing with an unlocked phone and
> access to all the information contained therein? If a visually impaired
> person loses their phone, this is not an unlikely scenario as the mugger can
> take the device and just wait around and follow the visually impaired person
> without them knowing it, then, when the time is right, whip out the phone
> and get it unlocked without the owner ever even knowing it happened. Might
> it not be a bad idea to disable unlocking with Face ID? Or am I just being
> New York paranoid?
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Adjusting volume of ear piece while on a phone call iOS 16.1.1

[Shai]

Hello,
While on a phone call on both an iPhone 13 pro and an iPhone10r, I
notice that I am unable to adjust the volume of the call on the ear
piece while in the phone app. In order to be able to successfully
adjust the volume on a call, I have to exit out of the phone app i.e
return to the home screen with VoiceOver and then I am able to
increase the volume. Has anyone else experienced this behavior or is
there a setting that could have been enabled to make it such that the
volume needs to be controlled in this manner? Speaker phone is not an
issue to adjust volume; only the ear piece.
Thank you in advance for any responses



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Re: NaviLens

['Sandy Tomkins' via VIPhone]

Steve,

It iw more than alright! Thanks for posting, this was a very good and 
informative interview/presentation and it sounds like people over there, on 
your side of the pond, are as keen as we are here! So, now, how to make it 
grow? Marty is right, was do need to up the profile of NaviLens for it to 
become truly useful and available world-wide!

As this technology is software based and can run on all mobile platforms, 
it can be used by anyone with a phone, which is getting to be nearly everyone! 
Itruly think that this is the first bit of new technology, since the invention 
of the screen-reader, to change our lives and open up the world to us.

I do hope that anyone who finds interviews, articles and new uses of 
NaviLens will send them in here and we, in turn, can share them on...

Thanks again, nice work! Sandy and Zyon, who wants to go to one of those 
camps you have over there!

Sent from The dark side of the moon

> On 17 Nov 2022, at 11:14, Steve Cook  wrote:
> 
> Hi All!
> 
> I hope this is ok to post here since this pertains to the NaviLens app!
> 
> The Computer Science & Technology Division (CSTD) of the NFB of SC had a 
> presentation from Oran McAllister with NaviLens to tell us all about 
> NaviLens. We have permission to share the recording of Oran’s presentation to 
> others who were not able to attend! 
> 
> You will be able to find the recording for the NaviLens presentation at the 
> below links on the National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina’s 
> podcast. While their, go ahead and subscribe to our podcast feed! 
> 
> If you have any suggestions for future Technology Presentations, please send 
> them to Steve Cook at cookc...@sc.rr.com. 
> 
> Part 1
> 
> https://anchor.fm/national-federation-of-the-blind-of-south-carolina/episodes/NaviLens-Part-1-e1qsqsn
> 
> Part 2
> 
> https://anchor.fm/national-federation-of-the-blind-of-south-carolina/episodes/NaviLens-Part-2-e1qstip
> 
> Steve Cook
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> Federation of the Blind of SC
> 1st Vice President of the Columbia chapter of the National Federation of the 
> Blind of SC
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Problem with sending mails using Imap settings of rediffmailpro from Iphone's native mail app

[Ketan Kothari]

Hi friends,

I have set up rediffmailpro account with Imap settings on my mail app
of Iphone 13 pro.  I can receive mails right but when I try to send
mail I get an SMS to confirm by entering an OTP.  Obviously this is
not possible all  the time as OTP is to be entered on an external
site.  Could anyone help?  I can't unfortunately cannot change
rediffmailpro.

Thank you.

Best,

Ketan

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NaviLens

[Steve Cook]

Hi All!

I hope this is ok to post here since this pertains to the NaviLens app!

The Computer Science & Technology Division (CSTD) of the NFB of SC had a 
presentation from Oran McAllister with NaviLens to tell us all about NaviLens. 
We have permission to share the recording of Oran’s presentation to others who 
were not able to attend! 

You will be able to find the recording for the NaviLens presentation at the 
below links on the National Federation of the Blind of South Carolina’s 
podcast. While their, go ahead and subscribe to our podcast feed! 

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them to Steve Cook at cookc...@sc.rr.com. 

Part 1

https://anchor.fm/national-federation-of-the-blind-of-south-carolina/episodes/NaviLens-Part-1-e1qsqsn

Part 2

https://anchor.fm/national-federation-of-the-blind-of-south-carolina/episodes/NaviLens-Part-2-e1qstip

Steve Cook
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National Association of Guide Dog Users Board Member
President of the Computer Science & Technology Division of the National 
Federation of the Blind of SC
1st Vice President of the Columbia chapter of the National Federation of the 
Blind of SC
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