Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Dennis Long]

One other question that’s just popped into my brain. What if they paid for a subscription again in good face that these features would work you are now in violation of the App Store agreement which states you cannot take features away you took features away and didn’t tell the user so are you going to refund their money or are you going to restore functionality?Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn May 21, 2024, at 5:01 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:I remember that CC is using 16.x, I had suspected that that was the problem.  I think that is unfortunate that they start dropping features so soon for those who are using older ios's. Even Apple gives the ios 16 users security updates for this year.  I know a lot of people who are still using their iphone 8 every day, and one who still uses a 7 with ios 15. Not everybody can, or wants to,  afford that 15 pro max. And those who are still using their iphone 8 are about to be two generations out of date. Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On May 20, 2024, at 6:29 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:If you are using iOS 16.x that could be the issue. A friend discovered yesterday that after updating from iOS 16 something to 17.5 the download button was back. I'd recommend writing to the support folks through the Voice Dream, Settings, Email support.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 20, 2024, at 3:18 PM, CC  wrote:Folks, Version 4.34.4 is now available. Still no download option. Going to bookshare on the web, downloading to files app, then transferring to VDR, is doable, but cumbersome. On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 9:07:58 PM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:First Bookshare's response doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Once the book is downloaded, you do not need internet access. So, I'm not sure what they mean. I never had any issue switching to another app, and then coming back to Voice Dream and continuing reading a book. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 12, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:When I contacted bookshare about this... they said sometimes books are taken offline due to copyright etc. The skeliton is still there but the book is taken down. (shrug) Sent from my iPhoneOn May 12, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:Oh I can add books from Bookshare to my voic Voice Dream reader but I have another problem. If I go to a different app and then go back to the Voice Dream reader and hit play nothing happens. I have to remove it from the app switcher and start again and then it's OK.Has anyone else had this problem?JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderw...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn May 12, 2024, at 12:28 PM, CC  wrote:Thanx, Richard. A three finger swipe down, refreshed the, recently updated element. There were 12 updates waiting to be integrated. Voicedream version 4.34.3, still offers no download option in bookshare.  On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:02:10 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:Now, it not showing up in the updates list is very, very strange.That would point to an Apple issue.When I check for updates, I do a triple tap on the app store icon, then swipe to updates and double tap.  Then, touch where it says previously Updated and do a three finger swipe down to refresh the screen.I have found that has been the only reliable way for me to get all updates available to show up consistently. If Voice Dream doesn’t show up then, I think there is a bigger issue with your phone.Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CCSent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:47 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Two new problems. Version 4.34.2 still gives no download option and voicedream updates don't appear in new app store updates. It seems I must search for the voicedream app, open the voicedream result, then click on, update button. All other app updates appear as expected. On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 12:31:21 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:Well, to test this, I went and turned audio ducking on, but on or off, all audio books play just fine for me. So that may have nothing to do with your issue. But for me, not only do audio books play just 

Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream

[Dennis Long]

First, if this is what’s being done that’s wrong second to not put it in the release notes again is wrong. This is what Jonathan Mohsen was talking about when he said clear and concise release notes! Clearly this company has not learned a thing! Every other company that I have seen do this first of all supports at least the previous version of iOS if not, two versions back! Second, they are honest And upfront This company is not honest and transparent!!! Every day that goes by, it is more and more likely I will not ever again use their app!! This app had a Sterling reputation at one time and with all the little hidden things they pull it goes to crap! This is ridiculous. It’s one thing if that’s what you decide to do. It’s another thing to not disclose it entirely and it’s wrong . Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn May 21, 2024, at 5:01 AM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:I remember that CC is using 16.x, I had suspected that that was the problem.  I think that is unfortunate that they start dropping features so soon for those who are using older ios's. Even Apple gives the ios 16 users security updates for this year.  I know a lot of people who are still using their iphone 8 every day, and one who still uses a 7 with ios 15. Not everybody can, or wants to,  afford that 15 pro max. And those who are still using their iphone 8 are about to be two generations out of date. Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3On May 20, 2024, at 6:29 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:If you are using iOS 16.x that could be the issue. A friend discovered yesterday that after updating from iOS 16 something to 17.5 the download button was back. I'd recommend writing to the support folks through the Voice Dream, Settings, Email support.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 20, 2024, at 3:18 PM, CC  wrote:Folks, Version 4.34.4 is now available. Still no download option. Going to bookshare on the web, downloading to files app, then transferring to VDR, is doable, but cumbersome. On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 9:07:58 PM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:First Bookshare's response doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Once the book is downloaded, you do not need internet access. So, I'm not sure what they mean. I never had any issue switching to another app, and then coming back to Voice Dream and continuing reading a book. Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On May 12, 2024, at 2:27 PM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:When I contacted bookshare about this... they said sometimes books are taken offline due to copyright etc. The skeliton is still there but the book is taken down. (shrug) Sent from my iPhoneOn May 12, 2024, at 5:10 PM, Jody ianuzzi  wrote:Oh I can add books from Bookshare to my voic Voice Dream reader but I have another problem. If I go to a different app and then go back to the Voice Dream reader and hit play nothing happens. I have to remove it from the app switcher and start again and then it's OK.Has anyone else had this problem?JODYTo Boldly Go   thunderw...@gmail.com "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik WeihenmayerOn May 12, 2024, at 12:28 PM, CC  wrote:Thanx, Richard. A three finger swipe down, refreshed the, recently updated element. There were 12 updates waiting to be integrated. Voicedream version 4.34.3, still offers no download option in bookshare.  On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 11:02:10 AM UTC-4 Richard Turner wrote:Now, it not showing up in the updates list is very, very strange.That would point to an Apple issue.When I check for updates, I do a triple tap on the app store icon, then swipe to updates and double tap.  Then, touch where it says previously Updated and do a three finger swipe down to refresh the screen.I have found that has been the only reliable way for me to get all updates available to show up consistently. If Voice Dream doesn’t show up then, I think there is a bigger issue with your phone.Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of CCSent: Sunday, May 12, 2024 7:47 AMTo: VIPhone Subject: Re: Can't Add Bookshare Books to VoiceDream Two new problems. Version 4.34.2 still gives no download option and voicedream updates don't appear in 

RE: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited

[Dennis Long]

It’s a shame.  I don’t know whatever happened to Shane.  He seemed to care 
about the product.  There is no community engagement now.  It’s a shame.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2024 4:39 PM
To: ViPone list 
Subject: SuperSense AI has an update: don't get excited
 
Well, I am about ready to delete the app since Envision AI, which is free, does 
as good a job with bar codes, which is my primary use of SuperSense. This BS 
about them always promising exciting new features has gone on long enough. And, 
they never reply to emails sent to them. 
Here is what the update says:
Hello, Below are the latest updates and improvements in this release: 1) Minor 
UI changes and bug fixes for a faster and more stable experience. More exciting 
news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate any feedback to 
provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know what you think 
about Supersense by sending your thoughts to superse...@mediate.tech 
 . Best, Supersense Team
 
 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 



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RE: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[Dennis Long]

In order for proper testing to be done I and others would need specific 
examples where it fails.  Example when sending a voice message in WhatsApp it 
fails.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Manan 
Trivedi
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2024 9:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Thanks Dennis for your help. Thank you others as well for responding. The 
command VO shift space works most of the time. Sometimes, however, I receive an 
error that says, “message failed to send” or something similar to that. May be 
problem is with my keyboard because, as I said,  the command does not fail all 
the times. 
 
Sent from my iPhone



On May 8, 2024, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hear is the correct answer.  .
1 position the VoiceOver cursor on the voice message button
2 press and hold VO shift space
3 if you hold this for 2 or 3 seconds, the voice message button will lock in 
the recording position.
4 talk all you want and then either press VO space or double tap on the voice 
message button.
Note I’m a keyboard user.  If you have any more questions you can email me at
dennisl1...@gmail.com <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Manan Trivedi
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 3:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this 
useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap 
and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to 
double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to 
send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I 
will appreciate some solution.
 
Thanks
 
MT
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch mailto:florl...@iol.ie> > wrote:
 
 That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of Ireland, you would 
prefix that number with the country code of 00353.
 
On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use 
Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  
>From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI list:
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<mailto:tech...@groups.io>  On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:51 AM
Subject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired 
Users in Google Maps
 
Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM

How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps


by Joe Lonergan
Detailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is 
hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we 
think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.
Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with 
several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a 
wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your 
destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where 
to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the 
vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.
So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?
1.  Open Google Maps
2.  Navigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will 
find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.
3.  While in here go to Settings.
4.  Now go to Navigation
5.  Flick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice 
Guidance and turn it on
We love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or 
mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information 
and gives the user more freedom and confidence.
If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would 
like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your 
final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps 
like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?
You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 
0011 and we can play it on the show.
https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/
 
 
 
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RE: Sonos latest update.

[Dennis Long]

It never should've been released.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 12:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos latest update.

It's clunky at best, if you haven't updated yet and you use your Sonos app a 
lot I would highly recommend that you wait to see what happens in 2 weeks. I 
told my Sonos contact that the ball is now in their court and they better make 
sure the promises they made about major accessibility improvements on May 21 
and more by end of June will happen.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2024 1:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sonos latest update.

Ok I have a question. How accessible is searching for and playing music? I know 
you need to play music through the app to enjoy Dolby atmos?

Chris Judge






-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 3:34 PM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.

Hi Sieghard. I also was able to check for a firmware update and found that 
there was none. After playing around with the app, I was able to locate most 
everything within the app. I certainly agree that the app needs some big 
accessibility improvements. However, for me, I find it quite useable. I 
originally updated the app on my iPad. Earlier today, I updated the app on my 
iPhone 15 pro Max, running IOS 17.5 RC. You have to swipe quite a bit because 
touching the screen does absolutely nothing. It tells me that true play is off 
no matter how many times I tap to change the option. However, I know that it is 
changing because I can hear the change in the sound from the speaker that is 
playing. Also, My sighted wife says that the icon changes.  I hope Sonos 
address the VoiceOver accessibility issues sooner rather than later. But for 
me, The app is useable.

> On May 8, 2024, at 1:10 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Larry, I just replied to another message of Richard's, but just in case you 
> didn't see o rread it entirely, it does not appear that this app update comes 
> with a hardware update or requires one. I updated the Sonos app on our iPad 
> last night and then did a manual check for updates in the new Sonos app and I 
> was told that my system was up to date. This app update seems to be all about 
> a new look and user interface and not about new capabilities of the system.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
> Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:29 PM
> To: VIPhone 
> Subject: Re: Sonos latest update.
> 
> Ok. I was just curious. I’m afraid to update the firmware.  
> 
>> On May 7, 2024, at 3:47 PM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I did not update the firmware, unless it updated itself.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less 
>> than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight 
>> fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." 
>> -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
>> Smith
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 12:03 PM
>> To: VIPhone 
>> Subject: Sonos latest update.
>> 
>> Richard, did you update both Sonos firmware and software? I believe you said 
>> that you did the update using your iPad. But did you also update the 
>> firmware? I ask because after reading your email, I used my iPad to update 
>> the app only. I was able to use the app with no real issues. I don’t know if 
>> things would be different if I updated the firmware. I did not per update 
>> the Sonos app on my iPhone 15 Max.
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RE: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[Dennis Long]

The command is vo shift space.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jonathan 
Cohn
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 5:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Well, first thing to do is discover what command that is being run.
Press capslock k to bring up help mode. Then try the command.
Once you discover the command “Perform long press” in this case, you can assign 
it to a keystroke in the voiceover settings or try and discover the  default 
keystroke.
 
This is one place where Mac VoiceOver is superior to IOS in that VO+HH lets you 
search all VO commands and will list an assigned key for that action.
 
Sent from my iPhone



On May 8, 2024, at 11:07 AM, Manan Trivedi mailto:manantrivedi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this 
useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap 
and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to 
double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to 
send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I 
will appreciate some solution.
 
Thanks
 
MT
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch mailto:florl...@iol.ie> > wrote:
 
 That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of Ireland, you would 
prefix that number with the country code of 00353.
 
On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use 
Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  
>From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI list:
From: tech...@groups.io   tech...@groups.io 
  On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:51 AM
Subject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired 
Users in Google Maps
 
Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM

How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps


by Joe Lonergan
Detailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is 
hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we 
think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.
Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with 
several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a 
wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your 
destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where 
to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the 
vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.
So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?
1.  Open Google Maps
2.  Navigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will 
find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.
3.  While in here go to Settings.
4.  Now go to Navigation
5.  Flick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice 
Guidance and turn it on
We love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or 
mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information 
and gives the user more freedom and confidence.
If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would 
like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your 
final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps 
like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?
You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 
0011 and we can play it on the show.
https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/
 
 
 
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
 
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RE: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[Dennis Long]

Hear is the correct answer.  .
1 position the VoiceOver cursor on the voice message button
2 press and hold VO shift space
3 if you hold this for 2 or 3 seconds, the voice message button will lock in 
the recording position.
4 talk all you want and then either press VO space or double tap on the voice 
message button.
Note I’m a keyboard user.  If you have any more questions you can email me at
dennisl1...@gmail.com  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Manan 
Trivedi
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 3:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this 
useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap 
and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to 
double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to 
send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I 
will appreciate some solution.
 
Thanks
 
MT
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch mailto:florl...@iol.ie> > wrote:
 
 That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of Ireland, you would 
prefix that number with the country code of 00353.
 
On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use 
Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  
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Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:51 AM
Subject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired 
Users in Google Maps
 
Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM

How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps


by Joe Lonergan
Detailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is 
hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we 
think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.
Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with 
several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a 
wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your 
destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where 
to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the 
vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.
So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?
1.  Open Google Maps
2.  Navigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will 
find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.
3.  While in here go to Settings.
4.  Now go to Navigation
5.  Flick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice 
Guidance and turn it on
We love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or 
mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information 
and gives the user more freedom and confidence.
If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would 
like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your 
final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps 
like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?
You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 
0011 and we can play it on the show.
https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/
 
 
 
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
 
If you need help using your assistive technology learn about my training 
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RE: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth Keyboard

[Dennis Long]

Joshua that won’t help him.  I’m provide the proper command shortly
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, May 8, 2024 12:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question regarding simulating double tap and hold using Bluetooth 
Keyboard
 
Hello. On the hable one bluetooth braille keyboard, I press and hold dots 1-5. 
This works very well. I use it most with bard mobile.
Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!



On May 8, 2024, at 10:07 AM, Manan Trivedi mailto:manantrivedi...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Dear all. Let me start by Thanking you all for running or contributing to this 
useful list. My question is what keyboard command to use to simulate double tap 
and hold. For instance, to record a voice message on Whatsapp, you have to 
double tap and hold. When you are done recording your message, you release to 
send the message. I found no way to achieve this using bluetooth keyboard. I 
will appreciate some solution.
 
Thanks
 
MT
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 26, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Flor Lynch mailto:florl...@iol.ie> > wrote:
 
 That's a WhatsApp number, BTW. If calling from outside of Ireland, you would 
prefix that number with the country code of 00353.
 
On 4/26/2024 4:10 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
For those not subscribed to David’s list, here is a good tip for those who use 
Google Maps in case you had not discovered it.  
>From David Goldfield’s Tech-VI list:
From: tech...@groups.io   tech...@groups.io 
  On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2024 4:51 AM
Subject: [Tech-VI] How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired 
Users in Google Maps
 
Vision Ireland - Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 4:30 PM

How to Turn on Detailed Voice Guidance for Vision Impaired Users in Google Maps


by Joe Lonergan
Detailed Voice Guidance is not a new feature, but it is not well known and is 
hidden deep in the settings of Google Maps. If you are a fan of Google Maps, we 
think it is a good feature to turn on for a vision-impaired or blind user.
Detailed Voice Guidance expands the existing walking directions guidance with 
several extra elements. The directions are more proactive so that if you take a 
wrong turn, the vocal guide will tell you and find the best way to your 
destination from your new point. Along the way, it will tell you not only where 
to turn, but how far away it is and in what direction you are facing, and the 
vocal guide will also alert you before reaching busy intersections.
So how do we turn on this detailed navigation feature?
1.  Open Google Maps
2.  Navigate to Account and Settings, If you are a VoiceOver user you will 
find it by flicking left and it is the first option you will hear.
3.  While in here go to Settings.
4.  Now go to Navigation
5.  Flick to the right all the way down until you get to detailed Voice 
Guidance and turn it on
We love to hear software companies adding features like this into universal or 
mainstream apps as it is easier to use one app to get most of your information 
and gives the user more freedom and confidence.
If you are a user of Google Maps and you have turned on this feature we would 
like to hear if you found the extra navigation voice cues help to get to your 
final destination or if you are a user of any other navigation or mobility apps 
like Soundscape or Apple Maps we would love to hear which you find best and why?
You can send a voice note to the Talking Technology WhatsApp number 086 199 
0011 and we can play it on the show.
https://vi.ie/how-to-turn-on-detailed-voice-guidance-for-vision-impaired-users-in-google-maps/
 
 
 
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
 
If you need help using your assistive technology learn about my training 
services by visiting
WWW.ScreenReaderTraining.com  
 
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RE: Do not update Sonos!

[Dennis Long]

Sonos is just like every other company these days.  Accessibility we can get to 
later.  There are few companies who put accessibility at the core of what they 
do.  Apple is one of the few that does.  Sad more companies don’t adopt Apple’s 
values.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Do not update Sonos!
 
Thanks for this. I disabled automatic updates in the app store and set my 
system to not update automatically. This is probably the most disappointing 
accessibility issue I’ve ever faced. I have thousands of dollars invested in 
Sonos. I sure hope they take steps to make it right.
 
Chris Judge
 

 
 

 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2024 1:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Do not update Sonos!
 
 
 
The update to Sonos app is a complete sh*t show!
It kind of works with Screen Recognition turned on, but not anywhere as good as 
before.
Without Screen Recognition it is useless.
I had my sighted wife look at it and without Screen Recognition, many things 
that VoiceOver will speak if you swipe to it, is not visible on the screen.
And, as I think Jonathan Mosen had mentioned, double tapping on the Your System 
button does nothing.
And, if my wife touched where it shows Your system button, VoiceOver says 
nothing.  If I then swipe with one finger, it lands on the Your System Button, 
but again, it doesn’t activate.
 
  I will do more exploring with the Screen Recognition on, but unless you want 
a totally frustrating experience, don’t update.  I updated on my iPad Mini 6 
which I seldom use with Sonos.  I won’t be touching the update on my phone.
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
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RE: bug RE: Incoming notifications destroy the reading of a current article

[Dennis Long]

Mary are you on any betas?  Have you sent them screen recordings of the issue?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 11:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: bug RE: Incoming notifications destroy the reading of a current 
article

I have to disagree, Earl. I guess you’re blessed, or maybe you’re running an 
iPhone 15? My settings on an iPhone 7 Plus for notifications are the same as 
for my XR. But I can read articles using my 7+, older phone and they just read. 
With the 10 R, it’s awful. An incoming notification even if it doesn’t talk, I 
hear the ding, and then the reading stops. I’ve posted about this before, even 
without notifications coming in. You can invoke reader mode or not. Sometimes 
reader mode helps. But mostly it’s not helping. There is a huge problem and I 
have reported it to no avail. Why does my old 7+ which is stuck back on I think 
it’s iOS 15 I don’t know. Why does that work to read through articles but the 
newer iOS doesn’t? So I have to disagree with you. Something else is happening 
here. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2024, at 7:58 PM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know what I would change in voiceover settings under verbosity to  
> make it so that an article will continuously  read.
> 
> On Apr 28, 2024, at 8:30 PM, Earle  wrote:
> 
> This is not an iOS bug. I'm running iOS 17.4.1 and I am not experiencing 
> this. Check your notification verbosity settings under VoiceOver settings.
> 
> Earle
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2024, at 4:53 PM, davycupp...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> This is an ios17 bug so follow me and do all report to accessib...@apple.com
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Mary Otten
>> Verzonden: woensdag 24 april 2024 5:21
>> Aan: VIPhone via 
>> Onderwerp: Incoming notifications destroy the reading of a current article
>> 
>> I have two iPhones, the newer one, an iPhone XR, and my ancient really 
>> ancient iPhone 7 Plus. If I am reading an article on the seriously older 
>> phone, I never have this problem. So that means it must have come from an 
>> iOS that my old phone doesn’t have. I think I’m stuck on that phone on iOS 
>> 15. Whenever I am reading something, be at an email or something on the web, 
>> when a notification comes in, I get the notification sound, the reading 
>> absolutely stops and it’s curtains time. On the old iPhone, the reading just 
>> keeps on happening. So I don’t know what’s going on if I have a setting that 
>> I need to change on my so-called newer phone or not. But I am also finding 
>> the same crap when I’m trying to read an article or something And there are 
>> advertisements. The old phone just blows them away and doesn’t care. The 
>> newer phone, reading stops and everything’s crappy. So it’s got to be 
>> something in the newer versions of iOS that my old 7+ doesn’t have. It’s way 
>> more pleasant frankly to read things on the old phone because unwanted 
>> interruptions and ads don’t kill things.  is anybody else noticed this and 
>> what can I do about it?
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: putting an description on a photo

[Dennis Long]

That worked.  Thanks.
 
From: 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2024 12:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: putting an description on a photo
 
Yes and slight variant is
Try a two finger double tap and hold.
That should open an edit box.
Type the name and find the done or save button and double tap.



On 28 Apr 2024, at 02:51, Chris Chaffin mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 
To add a description to a photo:
1, After double tapping the photo, swipe and choose the edit button.
2, On the pop up menu, choose mark up.
3, On the next pop up menu, swipe all the way to the end and choose the add 
button.
4, Swipe and choose description.
5, After typing your description, hit the done button.  Then you will have two 
more done buttons to hit, and then you should be back on your photo.
 
Hope this has been helpful.
 
Chris
 



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Hi, how do you put a description on a photo?
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RE: The weather channel app

[Dennis Long]

Weatherology is a good app I only see getting better over time.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 3:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The weather channel app

I went ahead and got the Weatherology app. I was able to get alerts and 
notifications on the weather channel app, but the rest of it was pretty 
difficult for me to work with. Having a weather channel app that is accessible 
is a matter of life and death for me. I happen to be in Norman Oklahoma, where 
we get lots of storms, tornado watches, and occasionally a tornado warning.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2024, at 12:15 PM, kheve...@fuse.net wrote:
> 
> Janet, I don't know about the weather channel app.  But, weatherology is a 
> free very accessible app.  There's even a voice that will read the weather 
> forecast to you.  It's available in the apple app store.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
> Wright
> Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2024 12:27 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The weather channel app
> 
> how’s the weather channel app gotten any more accessible? Can you listen to 
> life feed of the weather channel through the weather channel app?
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putting an description on a photo

[Dennis Long]

Hi, how do you put a description on a photo?

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RE: Setting Default Option In Rotor

[Dennis Long]

Change rotor with  item if you turn that off it won’t change anything.  You 
will have to manually change it.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
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Subject: RE: Setting Default Option In Rotor
 
No
 
 
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Subject: Setting Default Option In Rotor
 
Hi,
 
Is there a way to set the default option in the rotor or turn it off so there 
is no default option?
 
Thank you.
 
Vicki
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RE: Setting Default Option In Rotor

[Dennis Long]

You can turn off it automatically going to what it think it should be yes.  
I’ll look what it is and reply back
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
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Subject: RE: Setting Default Option In Rotor
 
No
 
 
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Vicki W.
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2024 5:40 AM
To: IPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Setting Default Option In Rotor
 
Hi,
 
Is there a way to set the default option in the rotor or turn it off so there 
is no default option?
 
Thank you.
 
Vicki
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blog post by Jonathan mosen

[Dennis Long]

https://mosen.org/voicedream/
 

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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

I hope so like I’ve stated several times I have no issue paying for new 
functionality I and others have issue with them taking away existing 
functionality
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 6:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Brilliant—thanks Feliciano, Richard, Dennis and everyone else who replied. I 
did "report a problem" several days ago in the App Store but I think Apple just 
uses that for internal purposes. I'll file feedback through the developer site 
as well. Hopefully we can put this on Apple's radar.



Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 3:34 PM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
What Jonathan says is to go to developer.apple.com/contact 
<http://developer.apple.com/contact>  “if you can manage it.”
Then, you have to sign in with your Apple ID, enter a verification code, and 
then if you try just going to contact, you get nowhere.  At least I got nowhere.
However, if you click on the Feedback Assistant, you get to the page where you 
can submit feedback.
https://feedbackassistant.apple.com/
 
You may have to still sign in and deal with the verification code, but you will 
be able to find a compose new feedback link or search for previous feedback you 
wish to add to I believe.
 
HTH,
 
 
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Please do one better and follow the steps outlined by Jonathan Mosen.  This was 
posted to his mastodon feed.  It goes to the proper team.
https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/208/510/831/262/201/original/d9ce03ec2b623f64.mp3
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 5:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hi all, 
If anyone wants to bring up these concerns, I believe that it is better done 
through Apple then on these list. It's fairly easy to do, on the App Store, 
search the app and towards the bottom there's a report button. Sign into your 
Apple account and select one of the following options that are given there and 
on the text box, you can write your concerns
 
Feliciano 
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do. -Steve Jobs 
 
On Apr 3, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
Lets be clear I agree it needs money to continue development.  I don’t say it 
doesn’t but you can’t take away existing functionality I paid for away.  If it 
were a free app then we wouldn’t have a leg to stand on but it wasn’t.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 4:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
I absolutely agree, I follow Jonathan's fantastic podcast and advocacy work and 
I'm really glad to see him adding his voice about this issue. I think this 
developer will have a tough fight on their hands. I don’t feel like my opinion 
is such an outlier now lol.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:52 PM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I think we have a fighting.  Jonathan Mosen is a well known and respected 
voice.  When he mobilizes the community look out.  Apple will get a number of 
complaints just because of that I suspect they will be in trouble unless they 
release a old version with the current functionality.  Sure new voices they 
don’t have to include nor do they have to include kindle support or anything 
else they might add.  They do have to give us what we paid for.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@google

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

Please do one better and follow the steps outlined by Jonathan Mosen.  This was 
posted to his mastodon feed.  It goes to the proper team.
https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/208/510/831/262/201/original/d9ce03ec2b623f64.mp3
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 5:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hi all, 
If anyone wants to bring up these concerns, I believe that it is better done 
through Apple then on these list. It's fairly easy to do, on the App Store, 
search the app and towards the bottom there's a report button. Sign into your 
Apple account and select one of the following options that are given there and 
on the text box, you can write your concerns
 
Feliciano 
For tech tips and updates: 
LIKE www.facebook.com/theblindman12v <http://www.facebook.com/theblindman12v> 
Follow www.twitter.com/theblindman12v <http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v> 
Follow www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v <http://www.instagram/TheBlindMan12v> 
those who are crazy enough to think they can change the world are the ones who 
do. -Steve Jobs 



On Apr 3, 2024, at 1:42 PM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
Lets be clear I agree it needs money to continue development.  I don’t say it 
doesn’t but you can’t take away existing functionality I paid for away.  If it 
were a free app then we wouldn’t have a leg to stand on but it wasn’t.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 4:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
I absolutely agree, I follow Jonathan's fantastic podcast and advocacy work and 
I'm really glad to see him adding his voice about this issue. I think this 
developer will have a tough fight on their hands. I don’t feel like my opinion 
is such an outlier now lol.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:52 PM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I think we have a fighting.  Jonathan Mosen is a well known and respected 
voice.  When he mobilizes the community look out.  Apple will get a number of 
complaints just because of that I suspect they will be in trouble unless they 
release a old version with the current functionality.  Sure new voices they 
don’t have to include nor do they have to include kindle support or anything 
else they might add.  They do have to give us what we paid for.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
They're absolutely violating the guidelines, the guidelines explicitly state to 
not do what they're doing. The only question is whether it will be noticed or 
acted upon. I could see it going either way.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:31 PM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I don’t have a problem with new features being paid.  I do have a problem with 
disabling existing functionality we paid for.I have filed an complaint.  I 
encourage all to follow Jonathan’s instructions.  I also contacted Voicedream 
and pointed out where I believe they are in violation of the guidelines.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey Richard,
 
If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ is a 
bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the term 
“rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope these 
guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that approvals and 
rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a living document; new 
apps presenting new questions may result in new rules at any time.”
 
In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are changing 
your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take 
away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for.”
 
This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to charge 
for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users already 
made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be enforced 
consistently across the board. The guideline also 

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

Lets be clear I agree it needs money to continue development.  I don’t say it 
doesn’t but you can’t take away existing functionality I paid for away.  If it 
were a free app then we wouldn’t have a leg to stand on but it wasn’t.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 4:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
I absolutely agree, I follow Jonathan's fantastic podcast and advocacy work and 
I'm really glad to see him adding his voice about this issue. I think this 
developer will have a tough fight on their hands. I don’t feel like my opinion 
is such an outlier now lol.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:52 PM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I think we have a fighting.  Jonathan Mosen is a well known and respected 
voice.  When he mobilizes the community look out.  Apple will get a number of 
complaints just because of that I suspect they will be in trouble unless they 
release a old version with the current functionality.  Sure new voices they 
don’t have to include nor do they have to include kindle support or anything 
else they might add.  They do have to give us what we paid for.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
They're absolutely violating the guidelines, the guidelines explicitly state to 
not do what they're doing. The only question is whether it will be noticed or 
acted upon. I could see it going either way.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:31 PM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I don’t have a problem with new features being paid.  I do have a problem with 
disabling existing functionality we paid for.I have filed an complaint.  I 
encourage all to follow Jonathan’s instructions.  I also contacted Voicedream 
and pointed out where I believe they are in violation of the guidelines.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey Richard,
 
If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ is a 
bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the term 
“rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope these 
guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that approvals and 
rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a living document; new 
apps presenting new questions may result in new rules at any time.”
 
In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are changing 
your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take 
away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for.”
 
This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to charge 
for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users already 
made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be enforced 
consistently across the board. The guideline also makes common sense to me. For 
example, I wouldn’t sell you a music album, then expect you to rent it out 
later. 
 
This looks pretty clear-cut to me. You are absolutely right that it may not 
turn out to be an issue for this developer. The Apple reviewers may not notice, 
they might notice but let it slide, the guidelines may be changed, something 
else might happen. However at this point, it’s pretty clear that Apple doesn’t 
want developers to rent out features that users already bought.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:32 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
People have been quoting an Apple guideline for Developers concerning Voice 
Dream Reader changing to a subscription model and changing people's access to 
new content etc. 
I decided to look at definitions. Here is the Marium Webster dictionary 
definition of "Guidelines:"
*a line by which one is guided: such as
a: a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit retracing 
a course
b: an indication or outline of policy or conduct
Now, a rule is quite different and since Apple uses guidelines and not rules, a 
developer is not required to strictly adhere to anyone's interpretation of a 
guideline in my opinion. Here is the Marium Webster definition of rules: 

Definition (Entry 1 of 2)

*   1a: a prescribed guide for conduct or action
b: the laws or regulations presc

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

I think we have a fighting.  Jonathan Mosen is a well known and respected 
voice.  When he mobilizes the community look out.  Apple will get a number of 
complaints just because of that I suspect they will be in trouble unless they 
release a old version with the current functionality.  Sure new voices they 
don’t have to include nor do they have to include kindle support or anything 
else they might add.  They do have to give us what we paid for.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
They're absolutely violating the guidelines, the guidelines explicitly state to 
not do what they're doing. The only question is whether it will be noticed or 
acted upon. I could see it going either way.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 12:31 PM Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I don’t have a problem with new features being paid.  I do have a problem with 
disabling existing functionality we paid for.I have filed an complaint.  I 
encourage all to follow Jonathan’s instructions.  I also contacted Voicedream 
and pointed out where I believe they are in violation of the guidelines.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey Richard,
 
If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ is a 
bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the term 
“rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope these 
guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that approvals and 
rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a living document; new 
apps presenting new questions may result in new rules at any time.”
 
In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are changing 
your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take 
away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for.”
 
This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to charge 
for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users already 
made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be enforced 
consistently across the board. The guideline also makes common sense to me. For 
example, I wouldn’t sell you a music album, then expect you to rent it out 
later. 
 
This looks pretty clear-cut to me. You are absolutely right that it may not 
turn out to be an issue for this developer. The Apple reviewers may not notice, 
they might notice but let it slide, the guidelines may be changed, something 
else might happen. However at this point, it’s pretty clear that Apple doesn’t 
want developers to rent out features that users already bought.


Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:32 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
People have been quoting an Apple guideline for Developers concerning Voice 
Dream Reader changing to a subscription model and changing people's access to 
new content etc. 
I decided to look at definitions. Here is the Marium Webster dictionary 
definition of "Guidelines:"
*a line by which one is guided: such as
a: a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit retracing 
a course
b: an indication or outline of policy or conduct
Now, a rule is quite different and since Apple uses guidelines and not rules, a 
developer is not required to strictly adhere to anyone's interpretation of a 
guideline in my opinion. Here is the Marium Webster definition of rules: 

Definition (Entry 1 of 2)

*   1a: a prescribed guide for conduct or action
b: the laws or regulations prescribed by the founder of a religious order for 
observance by its members
c: an accepted procedure, custom, or habit
d(1): a usually written order or direction made by a court regulating court 
practice or the action of parties
(2): a legal precept or doctrine
e: a regulation or bylaw governing procedure or controlling conduct
*   2a(1): a usually valid generalization
(2): a generally prevailing quality, state, or mode //fair weather was the 
ruleyesterday — The New York Times
b: a standard of judgment :CRITERION
c: a regulating principle
d: a determinate method for performing a mathematical operation and obtaining a 
certain result
*   3a: the exercise of authority or control : DOMINION
b: a period during which a specified ruler or government exercises control
*   4a: a strip of material marked off in units used especially for 
measuring : RULER sense 3, TAPE MEASURE
b: a metal strip with a type-hi

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

I don’t have a problem with new features being paid.  I do have a problem with 
disabling existing functionality we paid for.I have filed an complaint.  I 
encourage all to follow Jonathan’s instructions.  I also contacted Voicedream 
and pointed out where I believe they are in violation of the guidelines.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey Richard,
 
If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ is a 
bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the term 
“rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope these 
guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that approvals and 
rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a living document; new 
apps presenting new questions may result in new rules at any time.”
 
In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are changing 
your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take 
away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for.”
 
This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to charge 
for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users already 
made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be enforced 
consistently across the board. The guideline also makes common sense to me. For 
example, I wouldn’t sell you a music album, then expect you to rent it out 
later. 
 
This looks pretty clear-cut to me. You are absolutely right that it may not 
turn out to be an issue for this developer. The Apple reviewers may not notice, 
they might notice but let it slide, the guidelines may be changed, something 
else might happen. However at this point, it’s pretty clear that Apple doesn’t 
want developers to rent out features that users already bought.




Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:32 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
People have been quoting an Apple guideline for Developers concerning Voice 
Dream Reader changing to a subscription model and changing people's access to 
new content etc. 
I decided to look at definitions. Here is the Marium Webster dictionary 
definition of "Guidelines:"
*a line by which one is guided: such as
a: a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit retracing 
a course
b: an indication or outline of policy or conduct
Now, a rule is quite different and since Apple uses guidelines and not rules, a 
developer is not required to strictly adhere to anyone's interpretation of a 
guideline in my opinion. Here is the Marium Webster definition of rules: 

Definition (Entry 1 of 2)

*   1a: a prescribed guide for conduct or action
b: the laws or regulations prescribed by the founder of a religious order for 
observance by its members
c: an accepted procedure, custom, or habit
d(1): a usually written order or direction made by a court regulating court 
practice or the action of parties
(2): a legal precept or doctrine
e: a regulation or bylaw governing procedure or controlling conduct
*   2a(1): a usually valid generalization
(2): a generally prevailing quality, state, or mode //fair weather was the 
ruleyesterday — The New York Times
b: a standard of judgment :CRITERION
c: a regulating principle
d: a determinate method for performing a mathematical operation and obtaining a 
certain result
*   3a: the exercise of authority or control : DOMINION
b: a period during which a specified ruler or government exercises control
*   4a: a strip of material marked off in units used especially for 
measuring : RULER sense 3, TAPE MEASURE
b: a metal strip with a type-high face that prints a linear design
also : a linear design produced by or as if by such a strip
*   as ​a ​rule
: for the most part : GENERALLY
 
 
 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

For what it is worth Jonathan Mosen also thinks they are violating the 
guidelines.  Not for charging new features but for removing what we paid for.  
Hear below.  This was posted to his mastodon account.
https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/208/510/831/262/201/original/d9ce03ec2b623f64.mp3
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2024 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey Richard,
 
If I may, I do feel like the distinction between ‘rules’ and ‘guidelines’ is a 
bit pedantic. The App Store review guidelines at 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ do also use the term 
“rule” frequently throughout the text. For example, they say, “We hope these 
guidelines help you sail through the review process, and that approvals and 
rejections remain consistent across the board. This is a living document; new 
apps presenting new questions may result in new rules at any time.”
 
In this case the guideline I referenced, 3.1.2, states: “If you are changing 
your existing app to a subscription-based business model, you should not take 
away the primary functionality existing users have already paid for.”
 
This is pretty clear in my view, it’s essentially saying, don’t try to charge 
for something a user already bought, don’t take away purchases users already 
made. And that Apple page says they hope the guidelines will be enforced 
consistently across the board. The guideline also makes common sense to me. For 
example, I wouldn’t sell you a music album, then expect you to rent it out 
later. 
 
This looks pretty clear-cut to me. You are absolutely right that it may not 
turn out to be an issue for this developer. The Apple reviewers may not notice, 
they might notice but let it slide, the guidelines may be changed, something 
else might happen. However at this point, it’s pretty clear that Apple doesn’t 
want developers to rent out features that users already bought.




Grant Hardy
 
 
On Wed, Apr 3, 2024 at 9:32 AM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
People have been quoting an Apple guideline for Developers concerning Voice 
Dream Reader changing to a subscription model and changing people's access to 
new content etc. 
I decided to look at definitions. Here is the Marium Webster dictionary 
definition of "Guidelines:"
*a line by which one is guided: such as
a: a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit retracing 
a course
b: an indication or outline of policy or conduct
Now, a rule is quite different and since Apple uses guidelines and not rules, a 
developer is not required to strictly adhere to anyone's interpretation of a 
guideline in my opinion. Here is the Marium Webster definition of rules: 

Definition (Entry 1 of 2)

*   1a: a prescribed guide for conduct or action
b: the laws or regulations prescribed by the founder of a religious order for 
observance by its members
c: an accepted procedure, custom, or habit
d(1): a usually written order or direction made by a court regulating court 
practice or the action of parties
(2): a legal precept or doctrine
e: a regulation or bylaw governing procedure or controlling conduct
*   2a(1): a usually valid generalization
(2): a generally prevailing quality, state, or mode //fair weather was the 
ruleyesterday — The New York Times
b: a standard of judgment :CRITERION
c: a regulating principle
d: a determinate method for performing a mathematical operation and obtaining a 
certain result
*   3a: the exercise of authority or control : DOMINION
b: a period during which a specified ruler or government exercises control
*   4a: a strip of material marked off in units used especially for 
measuring : RULER sense 3, TAPE MEASURE
b: a metal strip with a type-high face that prints a linear design
also : a linear design produced by or as if by such a strip
*   as ​a ​rule
: for the most part : GENERALLY
 
 
 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
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RE: Discouraging News From The App Store

[Dennis Long]

I would think Voicedream has lawyers that reviewed the developer agreement at 
length.  I suspect they are able to do this.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Monday, April 1, 2024 4:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Discouraging News From The App Store

Apple advisors have been known to get things wrong, it will be interesting to 
hear what others hear about this. I called Apple about the voice dream 
situation, as to whether they could disable part of their app if we don't 
subscribe. He was very familiar with the guideline that some on this list would 
say that they can't do that. He said that guideline only applied to Apple 
products. Third party app developers are not subject to this guideline. As I 
stated before, these advisors have been known tin get it wrong sometimes. Let's 
hope this is one of those times. 

Arnold Schmidt 

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

 Regardless of 
the PR that this generates, I'm a little unclear how this is in accordance with 
the Developer Guidelines as quoted above.
 
If it is, I am curious then if it would be reasonable to expect every app 
purchase we've made on iOS to be disabled then at some point. I'm not talking 
about apps not being developed anymore and possibly not working anymore given 
an update to iOS etc.. I am talking about code that specifically tells the app 
not to recognize your previously purchased license.
 
just some food for thought. Again, I am absolutely sympathetic to the new 
owners of Voice Dream Reader, but I don't think disabling previous purchases is 
the appropriate solution. At the moment, I'm working on transitioning my audio 
content to Downcast. Haven't decided what to do about my text content yet.
 
Thank you,
Grant Hardy
 
 
On Sat, Mar 30, 2024 at 6:01 PM Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
I took Dennis’s advice and made a donation to listen to Jonathan interviewing 
Kishin Manglani from the Applause Group.
It is very much worth listening to.  It is fairly long, but it is very clear 
that they care very much about their customers and are doing their best to 
provide a quality product and adding new features.
 
The one thing I noticed if you go into the Voice Dream Reader app and double 
tap on settings, then on subscription, it brings up the post titled Pricing 
Changes for One-Time Purchasers.
As you read through that, when you get to the line that says, try the 14 day 
trial or something like that, it doesn’t say it is a link or button, but if you 
double tap on that, it takes you to the app store where you can choose to 
subscribe and get 2 weeks free if you were a one-time purchaser.  I don’t know 
what you get if you are a new subscriber.
 
But signing up this way keeps it fairly simple and familiar since it is within 
the app store.
The difference from subscribing through the link through a service that seems 
to be called Stripe or something; whatever Jonathan said, the Applause Group 
gets a higher cut of the payment than if you go through the app store.
I don’t know if people realize, that whatever price you pay for an app through 
the app store, Apple gets a pretty big cut.  I think 20 or 30 percent and the 
developer gets the rest.
 
IN any case, I’ve signed up through the app store.
 
They will be offering a monthly option in the not too distant future.
 
HTH,
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
You can subscribe to livingly blindfully plus for just 60 American cents and 
get access today or wait 3 days.  I strongly encourage you to listen to it.  I 
do think the Voicedream team does care and value our feedback.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hello everybody I believe that we just have to except what do people with voice 
dream reader want to do. That developers are totally free to increase prices or 
make free apps, paid apps or whatever they feel they want to do need to do or 
have to do to make money. Just remember that Free doesn’t make any money for 
anybody and, he doesn’t buy anyone’s lunch. I think we’d all be better served 
if we could look for something that does the same things as voice dream reader 
and it’s either Free or at least at low cost. It just sounds like the people 
that work with voice dream reader are going to do whatever they’re going to do 
and they’re not willing to, or able to change their minds.  Just trying to find 
an alternative would be a lot more productive for everybody than just talking 
about not being able to use voice dream reader. I’m just saying all this 
whatever it’s worth. For all I know it may not be worth anything not even a 
plug penny or a plug nickel. 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
 
I highly doubt it violates any Apple rules, if a developer decides to increase 
the price for their app or to charge something for a previously free app or to 
switch to a sub

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

I will echo your feedback.  They have lost the trust of the community through 
their own actions.  Finding out through someone else getting emails about it is 
not how we  should’ve found out.  Had they controlled the narrative would’ve 
been the best result.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 10:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
I agree with their communication issues.  I just wrote them and recommended 
they start their own email discussion list.  The one that currently exists that 
Alan Lemley started called Voice Dream Products still includes the apps Winston 
owns, so they need to start their own.
I hope they do sooner rather than later.
 
Take care,
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Richard I do agree with you  I do think they truly care.  There messaging and 
communication is absolutely terrible and that is something they need to work 
on.  Being honest transparent and communicating with us to see what we want and 
need in the app will go a long way.  But again Richard I do agree they care.  
I’m considering the monthly option.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
I took Dennis’s advice and made a donation to listen to Jonathan interviewing 
Kishin Manglani from the Applause Group.
It is very much worth listening to.  It is fairly long, but it is very clear 
that they care very much about their customers and are doing their best to 
provide a quality product and adding new features.
 
The one thing I noticed if you go into the Voice Dream Reader app and double 
tap on settings, then on subscription, it brings up the post titled Pricing 
Changes for One-Time Purchasers.
As you read through that, when you get to the line that says, try the 14 day 
trial or something like that, it doesn’t say it is a link or button, but if you 
double tap on that, it takes you to the app store where you can choose to 
subscribe and get 2 weeks free if you were a one-time purchaser.  I don’t know 
what you get if you are a new subscriber.
 
But signing up this way keeps it fairly simple and familiar since it is within 
the app store.
The difference from subscribing through the link through a service that seems 
to be called Stripe or something; whatever Jonathan said, the Applause Group 
gets a higher cut of the payment than if you go through the app store.
I don’t know if people realize, that whatever price you pay for an app through 
the app store, Apple gets a pretty big cut.  I think 20 or 30 percent and the 
developer gets the rest.
 
IN any case, I’ve signed up through the app store.
 
They will be offering a monthly option in the not too distant future.
 
HTH,
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
You can subscribe to livingly blindfully plus for just 60 American cents and 
get access today or wait 3 days.  I strongly encourage you to listen to it.  I 
do think the Voicedream team does care and value our feedback.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hello everybody I

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

Richard I do agree with you  I do think they truly care.  There messaging and 
communication is absolutely terrible and that is something they need to work 
on.  Being honest transparent and communicating with us to see what we want and 
need in the app will go a long way.  But again Richard I do agree they care.  
I’m considering the monthly option.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 9:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
I took Dennis’s advice and made a donation to listen to Jonathan interviewing 
Kishin Manglani from the Applause Group.
It is very much worth listening to.  It is fairly long, but it is very clear 
that they care very much about their customers and are doing their best to 
provide a quality product and adding new features.
 
The one thing I noticed if you go into the Voice Dream Reader app and double 
tap on settings, then on subscription, it brings up the post titled Pricing 
Changes for One-Time Purchasers.
As you read through that, when you get to the line that says, try the 14 day 
trial or something like that, it doesn’t say it is a link or button, but if you 
double tap on that, it takes you to the app store where you can choose to 
subscribe and get 2 weeks free if you were a one-time purchaser.  I don’t know 
what you get if you are a new subscriber.
 
But signing up this way keeps it fairly simple and familiar since it is within 
the app store.
The difference from subscribing through the link through a service that seems 
to be called Stripe or something; whatever Jonathan said, the Applause Group 
gets a higher cut of the payment than if you go through the app store.
I don’t know if people realize, that whatever price you pay for an app through 
the app store, Apple gets a pretty big cut.  I think 20 or 30 percent and the 
developer gets the rest.
 
IN any case, I’ve signed up through the app store.
 
They will be offering a monthly option in the not too distant future.
 
HTH,
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 11:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
You can subscribe to livingly blindfully plus for just 60 American cents and 
get access today or wait 3 days.  I strongly encourage you to listen to it.  I 
do think the Voicedream team does care and value our feedback.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Michael Irons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hello everybody I believe that we just have to except what do people with voice 
dream reader want to do. That developers are totally free to increase prices or 
make free apps, paid apps or whatever they feel they want to do need to do or 
have to do to make money. Just remember that Free doesn’t make any money for 
anybody and, he doesn’t buy anyone’s lunch. I think we’d all be better served 
if we could look for something that does the same things as voice dream reader 
and it’s either Free or at least at low cost. It just sounds like the people 
that work with voice dream reader are going to do whatever they’re going to do 
and they’re not willing to, or able to change their minds.  Just trying to find 
an alternative would be a lot more productive for everybody than just talking 
about not being able to use voice dream reader. I’m just saying all this 
whatever it’s worth. For all I know it may not be worth anything not even a 
plug penny or a plug nickel. 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
 
I highly doubt it violates any Apple rules, if a developer decides to increase 
the price for their app or to charge something for a previously free app or to 
switch to a subscription model then that is entirely their decision. 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 10:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey guys,
 
If yo

RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

You can subscribe to livingly blindfully plus for just 60 American cents and 
get access today or wait 3 days.  I strongly encourage you to listen to it.  I 
do think the Voicedream team does care and value our feedback.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Irons
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 2:45 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hello everybody I believe that we just have to except what do people with voice 
dream reader want to do. That developers are totally free to increase prices or 
make free apps, paid apps or whatever they feel they want to do need to do or 
have to do to make money. Just remember that Free doesn’t make any money for 
anybody and, he doesn’t buy anyone’s lunch. I think we’d all be better served 
if we could look for something that does the same things as voice dream reader 
and it’s either Free or at least at low cost. It just sounds like the people 
that work with voice dream reader are going to do whatever they’re going to do 
and they’re not willing to, or able to change their minds.  Just trying to find 
an alternative would be a lot more productive for everybody than just talking 
about not being able to use voice dream reader. I’m just saying all this 
whatever it’s worth. For all I know it may not be worth anything not even a 
plug penny or a plug nickel. 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 29, 2024, at 6:46 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
 
I highly doubt it violates any Apple rules, if a developer decides to increase 
the price for their app or to charge something for a previously free app or to 
switch to a subscription model then that is entirely their decision. 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Grant Hardy
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 10:17 PM
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Subject: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey guys,
 
If you search for Voice Dream Reader on the App Store, open the page for the 
app, and scroll down, there is an option to "report a problem". Please consider 
reporting what the developer is doing to Apple. I am not sure if it violates 
any developer guidelines, but it sure seems like it would: selling lifetime 
licenses with agreed upon terms and then disabling them. The nature of how the 
update was released also didn't give users any warning or opt-out, as the new 
deadline wasn't mentioned in the release notes. I think Apple uses these for 
internal purposes, and if enough people file reports then they may act upon it.
 
I would also recommend leaving a review of the app and mentioning the upcoming 
disabling of previously purchased licenses, and how the update was handled.
 
I absolutely do not have a problem with developers going the subscription 
route, charging for new features and updates, or raising prices. It's a tough 
world out there. But I do have serious concerns about pushing out an update 
that disables previously purchased licenses from continuing to work at all and 
not mentioning that this would happen in the release notes. I would imagine 
this will impact many schools and other educational institutions as well who 
will rely on having access to this app at least for the remainder of the school 
year.
Let's hope we can share with the developer and Apple some constructive feedback.
 
Grant Hardy
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RE: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader

[Dennis Long]

I do suggest if you have the .60 cents you subscribe to living Blindfully plus 
and listen to the podcast.  I do think the Voicedream cares and values our 
feedback.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Grant 
Hardy
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2024 12:55 AM
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Subject: Re: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hello Sieghard,
 
Developer guideline 3.1.2(a) Permissible uses, states, in part:
 
If you are changing your existing app to a subscription-based business model, 
you should not take away the primary functionality existing users have already 
paid for. For example, let customers who have already purchased a “full game 
unlock” continue to access the full game after you introduce a subscription 
model for new customers.
 
Source: 
https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/
 
Do you not think this applies? If not, what would stop me from selling you an 
app for $99 then a couple months later stating that I am disabling your 
purchase and switching to a subscription-only model? Are all perpetual 
purchases subject to being disabled then?
 
There is also a guideline about undocumented functionality not being permitted. 
The notice that the app is switching to a subscription-only model starting May 
1st arrived after installing an update, and that caveat was not mentioned as a 
"feature" for that update. Thus, I think that guideline may apply as well.
 
Thanks,functionality:
 




Grant Hardy
 
 
On Fri, Mar 29, 2024 at 4:46 PM Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
I highly doubt it violates any Apple rules, if a developer decides to increase 
the price for their app or to charge something for a previously free app or to 
switch to a subscription model then that is entirely their decision. 
 
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Grant Hardy
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Subject: Please submit feedback to Apple about Voice Dream Reader
 
Hey guys,
 
If you search for Voice Dream Reader on the App Store, open the page for the 
app, and scroll down, there is an option to "report a problem". Please consider 
reporting what the developer is doing to Apple. I am not sure if it violates 
any developer guidelines, but it sure seems like it would: selling lifetime 
licenses with agreed upon terms and then disabling them. The nature of how the 
update was released also didn't give users any warning or opt-out, as the new 
deadline wasn't mentioned in the release notes. I think Apple uses these for 
internal purposes, and if enough people file reports then they may act upon it.
 
I would also recommend leaving a review of the app and mentioning the upcoming 
disabling of previously purchased licenses, and how the update was handled.
 
I absolutely do not have a problem with developers going the subscription 
route, charging for new features and updates, or raising prices. It's a tough 
world out there. But I do have serious concerns about pushing out an update 
that disables previously purchased licenses from continuing to work at all and 
not mentioning that this would happen in the release notes. I would imagine 
this will impact many schools and other educational institutions as well who 
will rely on having access to this app at least for the remainder of the school 
year.
Let's hope we can share with the developer and Apple some constructive feedback.
 
Grant Hardy
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latest updates from supersense

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enjoy these wonderful updates lol 

Hello, We've received many requests from our users and are responding to them 
with the feature updates in the highest demand. We're thrilled to announce the 
most recent updates to Supersense below: 1) Minor bug fixes about translate 
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RE: Speech Central developer?

[Dennis Long]

Sure.  Try this.
off...@speechcentral.net  
 
 
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Subject: Speech Central developer?
 
Hi. Does anyone have the e-mail address of the Speech Central developer app? If 
I recall well, sometimes he pops in, isn’t it? Maybe someone caught his address?
 
Cheers,
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for those who understand us enslave something in us.
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RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Dennis Long]

I’ll restate Had it been  Winston I wouldn’t have an issue.  Why not?  Winston 
was honest transparent and engaged with the community.  The Applause Group  
does not engage with the community at all.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:30 PM
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Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
 
Dennis,
You need to get your facts straight.
The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group 
never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right 
away.
Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  
But, you are spreading false information.
Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong 
information.
 
Could they have handled it differently, probably so.
 
And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact 
same thing.  
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
 
This was published to his Mastodon feed.
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RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Dennis Long]

So lets say they at least did a poor job of explaining what was to come.  My 
issue is should we trust them that we will pay the $60 a year?  Are we really 
locked into that price as their blog post states?  Or if it goes up to $150 
next year is it 25% off that $150?  This is what happens when you promise the 
community one thing and do another.  Had they said “we are not changing things 
for current users at this time but that may change down the road they would be 
protected and I would not have any leg to stand on.  It was how they did this.  
Not everyone got emails.  I know I didn’t.  
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 4:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
 
Do you have a link to that thread?
 
 
 
Richard, USA
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My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
 
richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said 
existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to  a subscription 
for ew users only"  
 
 
Dennis Long
Sent from my iPhone 15  Pro Max
 
On Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Dennis,
You need to get your facts straight.
The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group 
never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right 
away.
Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  
But, you are spreading false information.
Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong 
information.
 
Could they have handled it differently, probably so.
 
And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact 
same thing.  
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com
 
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Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue
 
This was published to his Mastodon feed.
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Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

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from that thread. we are migrating to a subscription for new users only! so i'm not spreading false information! see below Update from Voice Dream TeamBy Voice Dream 11 months 1 week agoHi all, Voice Dream Team here. Existing users should not be affected and will continue to have access to the app. We are migrating to a subscription model only for new users. If you have any issues please feel free to contact our support team. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:46 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Do you have a link to that thread?   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:40 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to  a subscription for ew users only"    Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Dennis,You need to get your facts straight.The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right away.Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  But, you are spreading false information.Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed.https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You 

Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Dennis Long]

the link is below Voice Dream Reader for iOS is now $59.99/yearapplevis.comDennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:46 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Do you have a link to that thread?   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:40 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to  a subscription for ew users only"    Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Dennis,You need to get your facts straight.The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right away.Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  But, you are spreading false information.Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed.https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/005301da8085%24950c7c00%24bf257400%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/6D520905-0887-4B7D-809D-DE30190C96A7%40gmail.com.



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Re: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

[Dennis Long]

richard with all do respect if you look at the applevis thread they said existing users wouldn't be effected. "they were switching to  a subscription for ew users only"  Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 27, 2024, at 4:30 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Dennis,You need to get your facts straight.The Applause Group bought Voice Dream LLC in April of 2023.  Applause Group never said you would never have to pay.  They said you didn’t have to pay right away.Jonathan’s take is pretty clear, this is a good business decision.  But, you are spreading false information.Boycott it if you want and use something else, but do not give wrong information. Could they have handled it differently, probably so. And as I have said, more than once, Winston was going to have to do the exact same thing.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Wednesday, March 27, 2024 1:19 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue This was published to his Mastodon feed.https://cdn.tweesecake.social/cache/media_attachments/files/112/169/061/264/221/856/original/9d17d2ddfbda31eb.mp3 -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/00dd01da8084%240734f340%24159ed9c0%24%40gmail.com.



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Jonathan Mosens take on the VoiceDream issue

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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

I would’ve been willing to pay  Winston
Why he would’ve engaged with us.  He would’ve probably had a monthly option.  
This company doesn’t engage with us.  Sometimes they can’t even put out proper 
release notes.  
“bug fixes” what “bugs” did you fix?  They were called out on this more than 
once.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kerry 
Macdonald
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 2:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
That’s true, however, Winston was very much engaged with the blind community 
and talked to us about what worked for us and what did not. These people are 
not engaged with us at all.
 
Subscription models are becoming way over the top, and these businesses are 
engaging in them due to greed nothing more. You can keep an app going without 
charging outrageous, yearly subscription fees Winston did it for 10 years, and 
yes, he may have had to charge subscription fees, but as I said, he was much 
more willing to work with us, and look at our needs as a community.
 
Kerry
 
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On Mar 26, 2024, at 1:25 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

Again, and this should be my last post on this topic, Winston was going to 
start charging because the one-time purchase model is simply not sustainable.  
 
So, you would be making the same charges against Winston had he not had the 
good sense to sell when he did.
 
 
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
More over this company doesn’t keep their word.  They said when they took over. 
 That grandfathered  users wouldn’t have to pay. Again as others have said I 
would consider it.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Corey Cook
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I have a friend that is a grandfathered user and she got an email this morning 
informing her as of May 1 she would have to pay.




On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:17 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com 
<mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>  wrote:

It’s not clear to me where we older users are grandfathered into not paying or 
not.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Hi all,
It's unfortunate that this is a new subscription model for New users but I 
understand developers need to get paid for their work  for such app. 
Considering Voice Dream inclusiveness with Accessibility, it's worth supporting 
in my opinion if you use the app daily. They get continuous updates and the app 
is very robust. There are other apps that do similar   things like speech 
central and speechify.  
   I did a bit of research and this is what I found...
11 months ago
Hi all, Voice Dream Team here. Existing users should not be affected and will 
continue to have access to the app. We are migrating to a subscription model 
only for new users. If you have any issues please feel free to contact our 
support team.
1.   
 
 


 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 
Voice Dream Reader for iOS is now $59.99/year
 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 
applevis.com
 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 

 
 
 
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On Mar 26, 2024, at 8:56 AM, Ron Canazzi mailto:aa...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:
Hi Group,

I  would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is ridiculous. 
I could afford it, but it is still way too high for an app on an Ap

Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

they did two things wrong 
1 they said current users would be grandfathered in that is not the case now. 
2  they didn't give a monthly option or have a lower price for just the iPhone 


Dennis Long
Sent from my iPhone 15  Pro Max

> On Mar 26, 2024, at 1:23 PM, Chris Chaffin  wrote:
> 
> 
> What I think is that originally the new owners thought that they would have 
> enough new subscribers to keep it going, and that is why they originally 
> stated that current owners did not have to subscribe.  But now that a year 
> has past, they did not get as many new subscribers as they planned, so in 
> order to keep it going, they are having to make everybody subscribe, even 
> those owners that existed when they bought the company.  
> 
> One thing to keep in mind is that the Mac version has always been a 
> subscription, and that price is $60 a year.  If I remember correctly, Winston 
> set that price when it was released.  All the owners are now doing is 
> including the iOS app within that subscription.  So now for $60, you get both 
> the iOS and Mac versions.
> 
> I do think Voice Dream is worth the subscription, especially if you are 
> someone that uses it all the time.  I will say that there has been a lot of 
> updates over the last year.  So the new owners are not just letting it sit 
> and stay as it was when they got it.  The only thing is, I do wish they would 
> give you an option to pay by the month.
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:36 PM, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree that $60 a year is a bit much, but I think people are going to be 
>> surprised and disappointed at what they can get for alternatives. I admit 
>> that I have yet to try Dolphin Easy Reader and the Bookshare reader for 
>> myself, but reading the reviews are not encouraging. It is one thing if a 
>> few reviewers don't like an app,  another when only a few reviews say an app 
>> is good.  There just aren't that many daisy readers out there. I wish 
>> Bookshare would bring back the reader they had years ago. It was a good 
>> reader, for a time it actually was better than Voice Dream. But then, Voice 
>> Dream got better, I got it, and Bookshare dropped their reader of that time. 
>> Voice Dream does a lot of things really well.
>> 
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> 
>> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3
>> 
>> On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:16 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com wrote:
>> 
>> They're going to switch to a subscription model for everyone and we either 
>> like it and pay or don't.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:12 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
>> 
>> I agree $20 I might go that.  Even that is a might.  I just don't use it 
>> enough.  I'm not against paying for apps.  I subscribe to weather apps and 
>> parcel.  So clearly I'm not against app subscriptions.  This is again is 
>> more than 50% of the cost of a screen reader.  That needs to be pointed out 
>> to them.  Again more than 50% of the cost of a screen reader.  That reads my 
>> computer screen to me and allows me to use my computer.  If the company 
>> thinks people will pay more than 50% of a screen reader subscription they 
>> truly are nuts.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
>> Canazzi
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:57 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
>> 
>> Hi Group,
>> 
>> I  would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is 
>> ridiculous. I could afford it, but it is still way too high for an app on an 
>> Apple device. As mentioned before, the average price of most apps usable 
>> with IOS devices is between five and ten dollars US.  Allowing for the 
>> smaller market, I could easily pay double yearly, but not sextuplet!
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 3/26/2024 3:49 AM, Dennis Long wrote:
>>> They aren't considering that a large number of blind people can't afford 
>>> $60 a year.  They aren't also considering that a large number of blind 
>>> people aren't able to find jobs in the USA.More over if it were more 
>>> reasonably priced maybe and it’s a big maybe.  It would be a big maybe 
>>> because the only reason they would lower the price is they terribly 
>>> misjudged the market.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> regina a

RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

More over this company doesn’t keep their word.  They said when they took over. 
 That grandfathered  users wouldn’t have to pay. Again as others have said I 
would consider it.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I have a friend that is a grandfathered user and she got an email this morning 
informing her as of May 1 she would have to pay.



On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:17 PM, llump...@austin.rr.com 
<mailto:llump...@austin.rr.com>  wrote:

It’s not clear to me where we older users are grandfathered into not paying or 
not.
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Feliciano Godoy
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Hi all,
It's unfortunate that this is a new subscription model for New users but I 
understand developers need to get paid for their work  for such app. 
Considering Voice Dream inclusiveness with Accessibility, it's worth supporting 
in my opinion if you use the app daily. They get continuous updates and the app 
is very robust. There are other apps that do similar   things like speech 
central and speechify.  
   I did a bit of research and this is what I found...
11 months ago
Hi all, Voice Dream Team here. Existing users should not be affected and will 
continue to have access to the app. We are migrating to a subscription model 
only for new users. If you have any issues please feel free to contact our 
support team.
1.   
 
 


 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 
Voice Dream Reader for iOS is now $59.99/year
 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 
applevis.com
 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 
 
<https://www.applevis.com/forum/ios-ipados/voice-dream-reader-ios-now-5999year> 

 
 
 
 From Voice Dream, Feliciano 
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On Mar 26, 2024, at 8:56 AM, Ron Canazzi mailto:aa...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:
Hi Group,

I  would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is ridiculous. 
I could afford it, but it is still way too high for an app on an Apple device. 
As mentioned before, the average price of most apps usable with IOS devices is 
between five and ten dollars US.  Allowing for the smaller market, I could 
easily pay double yearly, but not sextuplet!


On 3/26/2024 3:49 AM, Dennis Long wrote:



They aren't considering that a large number of blind people can't afford $60 a 
year.  They aren't also considering that a large number of blind people aren't 
able to find jobs in the USA.More over if it were more reasonably priced 
maybe and it’s a big maybe.  It would be a big maybe because the only reason 
they would lower the price is they terribly misjudged the market.
 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
regina alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:17 PM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >
Subject: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Just received a message voice dream is going to cost 59 dollars a year now. A 
pet peeve of mine is everything requires a subscription. I see nothing in there 
reasons for this that affects me. So, nice I had it for so long. It was a 
wonderful app, but I am done with it. As with MBraille I was one of the first 
to buy it for I think 5 dollars. Makes me want to cry to lose it, but much more 
important places to put my money. On Social Security with a guide dog and so 
guess it goes away. Still want to cry after all the books from Bookshare it has 
read to me.
 
Reggie Alvarado
 

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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

Again it is more than 50% of a cost of a screen reader.  They are saying their 
app is more valuable than a screen reader.  No it isn’t.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 7:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
That’s $5 a month.
I’m sure people waste $5 a month on crap they don’t need. Heck a streaming 
service is more expensive. Bookshare is now $79 a year.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 2:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Not at these rates make it reasonable this is ridiculous.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Developers have to eat too. They should get paid.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
So I opened up the app again and got the banner at the bottom of the screen. 
Not sure if I’ll sign onto the $60, but honestly, I more than got my money’s 
worth and then some for this app if this is the case. 
I believe BookPlayer also has an in-app payment option for cloud storage and 
syncing. 
For some folks, the 60 bucks for VDR might even be worth it as you can use just 
one app for both eBooks and audiobooks. Everyone knows their own budget though.
Cristóbal
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never 
heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just 
too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to 
download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly 
reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s 
doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.
Mary
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…
 
Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

No yearly as far as I can tell.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
leobado1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 7:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
so, are both choices available? monthly subscription and yearly subscription?
 
Cheers,
Leo Bado.
 
I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.
Khalil Gibran.
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 5:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
That’s $5 a month.
I’m sure people waste $5 a month on crap they don’t need. Heck a streaming 
service is more expensive. Bookshare is now $79 a year.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 2:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Not at these rates make it reasonable this is ridiculous.
 
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sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com <mailto:sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Developers have to eat too. They should get paid.
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
So I opened up the app again and got the banner at the bottom of the screen. 
Not sure if I’ll sign onto the $60, but honestly, I more than got my money’s 
worth and then some for this app if this is the case. 
I believe BookPlayer also has an in-app payment option for cloud storage and 
syncing. 
For some folks, the 60 bucks for VDR might even be worth it as you can use just 
one app for both eBooks and audiobooks. Everyone knows their own budget though.
Cristóbal
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never 
heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just 
too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to 
download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly 
reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s 
doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.
Mary
 
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On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

I have done that as well.  I’m 1 Trillian percent with you.  More I suggest 
contacting 
opin...@livingblindfully.com  
and getting your comments in there.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kerry 
Macdonald
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Although I love Voice Dream, I think this is an outrage and simply greed on the 
developers part. Yes, I know developers need to eat, but I think they are just 
jumping on this subscription bandwagon that everyone has been doing these days 
which I feel is a very greedy way to do business. Those of us who purchased it 
already should not have to purchase it again in my opinion. We need to stand 
together and make our voices hurt, everyone should send them an email and 
express their opinion, I have done so, who is with me and will email them? That 
is the only way to get things done is to make our voices heard.
 
 
Kerry
 
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On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:44 AM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Here in Mexico, $60 is almost a thousand Mexican pesos! Yeah I know... you can 
divide 1000 per month, which would be around 150 or so, but if you've already 
bought the app once...
I know maybe Dolphin Easy Reader might not have the different voices or 
Audiobook slaying abilities, but it's free.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel



El 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 10:11 p.m., Joshua Hendrickson mailto:louv...@gmail.com> > escribió:
I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year 
for voice dream reader. For me, it is one of the best apps out there for 
reading both ebooks and audio content. I’ll tell you all some of the recent 
changes the new owners have done for us all. They have recently allowed audio 
files in M4a format to  properly. When you want to change a reading voice for a 
bookshare book, you now have a search option  quickly find the voice you want. 
You also don’t have to pay for these voices either. You did have to pay around 
$5 per voice before. So please stop complaining and pay the $60 per year if you 
can. If people pay the money, think of how much better the app will be. I’ve 
pcht a lot of time into putting audio books and audio dramas on voice dream 
reader with iTunes to not pay the $60 price. When we found out that voice dream 
reader might be charging a subscripttion fee this shouldn’t be a surprise !o 
anyone. So please if you can, pay the $60!!!
Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!



On Mar 25, 2024, at 10:01 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book 
player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download 
stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything 
else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates 
anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They 
shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare 
because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about 
whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  
I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows 
the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James mailto:wiljame...@gmail.com> > wrote:
BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and 
M4B.  You can get it from the following link.
 




  
  BookPlayer
  Plays M4B/M4A/MP3 
audiobooks
 
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On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had 
never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. 
It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an 
easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would 
possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice 
stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.
Mary
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central 

RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

I agree $20 I might go that.  Even that is a might.  I just don't use it 
enough.  I'm not against paying for apps.  I subscribe to weather apps and 
parcel.  So clearly I'm not against app subscriptions.  This is again is more 
than 50% of the cost of a screen reader.  That needs to be pointed out to them. 
 Again more than 50% of the cost of a screen reader.  That reads my computer 
screen to me and allows me to use my computer.  If the company thinks people 
will pay more than 50% of a screen reader subscription they truly are nuts.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ron 
Canazzi
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

Hi Group,

I  would be willing to pay up to twenty dollars yearly, but this is 
ridiculous. I could afford it, but it is still way too high for an app 
on an Apple device. As mentioned before, the average price of most apps 
usable with IOS devices is between five and ten dollars US.  Allowing 
for the smaller market, I could easily pay double yearly, but not sextuplet!


On 3/26/2024 3:49 AM, Dennis Long wrote:
> They aren't considering that a large number of blind people can't afford $60 
> a year.  They aren't also considering that a large number of blind people 
> aren't able to find jobs in the USA.More over if it were more reasonably 
> priced maybe and it’s a big maybe.  It would be a big maybe because the only 
> reason they would lower the price is they terribly misjudged the market.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
> alvarado
> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:17 PM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Making everyone pay for voice dream
>
> Just received a message voice dream is going to cost 59 dollars a year now. A 
> pet peeve of mine is everything requires a subscription. I see nothing in 
> there reasons for this that affects me. So, nice I had it for so long. It was 
> a wonderful app, but I am done with it. As with MBraille I was one of the 
> first to buy it for I think 5 dollars. Makes me want to cry to lose it, but 
> much more important places to put my money. On Social Security with a guide 
> dog and so guess it goes away. Still want to cry after all the books from 
> Bookshare it has read to me.
>
> Reggie Alvarado
>

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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

I agree if it were $10 or $20 a year I might think about it.  but $60 again 
more than 50% the cost of my screen reader I think not.  I told them so.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 10:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I buy books share because I can download a lot of books in a year. This is just 
a standalone reading tool. It’s wonderful app but it’s just an app. I just 
think that $59 a year for an app that you just listen to books on is way too 
much. I will use some other way to read I do plan on contacting Support and 
thank you for the address. I will tell them that it’s just too bad that I 
bought it once and now I have to pay that subscription. They sounded so sad 
that they had to make that decision in the email and yet they made the decision 
even though it was bought earlier. The changes they made just didn’t add up to 
much, just my opinion. 
On Mar 26, 2024, at 10:34 AM, Jody ianuzzi mailto:thunderwalker...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Carrie,
 
I agree with you completely and I'll send a message as well. I have no 
intention of paying their fee and I will simply find another book reader.
JODY



To Boldly Go   






thunderwalker...@gmail.com   



"What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik 
Weihenmayer



On Mar 26, 2024, at 10:25 AM, Kerry Macdonald mailto:kerryma...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Although I love Voice Dream, I think this is an outrage and simply greed on 
the developers part. Yes, I know developers need to eat, but I think they are 
just jumping on this subscription bandwagon that everyone has been doing these 
days which I feel is a very greedy way to do business. Those of us who 
purchased it already should not have to purchase it again in my opinion. We 
need to stand together and make our voices hurt, everyone should send them an 
email and express their opinion, I have done so, who is with me and will email 
them? That is the only way to get things done is to make our voices heard.
 
 
Kerry
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:44 AM, Gerardo Corripio mailto:gera1...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Here in Mexico, $60 is almost a thousand Mexican pesos! Yeah I know... you can 
divide 1000 per month, which would be around 150 or so, but if you've already 
bought the app once...
I know maybe Dolphin Easy Reader might not have the different voices or 
Audiobook slaying abilities, but it's free.
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel



El 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 10:11 p.m., Joshua Hendrickson mailto:louv...@gmail.com> > escribió:
I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year 
for voice dream reader. For me, it is one of the best apps out there for 
reading both ebooks and audio content. I’ll tell you all some of the recent 
changes the new owners have done for us all. They have recently allowed audio 
files in M4a format to  properly. When you want to change a reading voice for a 
bookshare book, you now have a search option  quickly find the voice you want. 
You also don’t have to pay for these voices either. You did have to pay around 
$5 per voice before. So please stop complaining and pay the $60 per year if you 
can. If people pay the money, think of how much better the app will be. I’ve 
pcht a lot of time into putting audio books and audio dramas on voice dream 
reader with iTunes to not pay the $60 price. When we found out that voice dream 
reader might be charging a subscripttion fee this shouldn’t be a surprise !o 
anyone. So please if you can, pay the $60!!!
Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!



On Mar 25, 2024, at 10:01 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book 
player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download 
stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything 
else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates 
anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They 
shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare 
because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about 
whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  
I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows 
the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James mailto:wiljame...@gmail.com> > wrote:
BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and 
M4B.  You can get it from the following link.
 




  
  BookPlayer
  Plays 

Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

i haven't heard back yet. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 26, 2024, at 6:08 AM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:Have they given you an actual answer on the price? Cheers,Leo Bado. I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, for those who understand us enslave something in us.Khalil Gibran. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 1:38 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream Oh I reached out to them.  They are ridiculous. I remember this company saying something if you had already purchased it.  I’m off to find what that was.  I will again encourage everyone to at the least contact them the more that don’t buy it the stronger message it will send them.  This is more then 50 percent of what a Jaws subscription is in the USA   I don’t think so. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard TurnerSent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:55 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream I mentioned DAISY Easy Reader and Speech Central if you cannot afford Voice Dream Reader.Perhaps you should reach out to supp...@voicedream.com and ask about pricing in other countries.Or, as you say, just use Easy Reader.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo CorripioSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:39 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel El 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten  escribió:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link. BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooks Sent from my iPad Air 5 On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.Mary Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark 

RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

I hope it gets boycotted.  Again its more then half a Jaws subscription.  That 
is a screen reader.  They are way out of line with their pricing.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 3:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I’d expect this subscription could pay for things like new audio formats like 
ogg could be played. Also maybe newer voices like those from Microsofft. Take a 
chance and see what happens. I wish people weren’t so picky. I will support 
voice dream reader and I really hope others will do so as well. I am looking 
forward to the future of the app if people will stop whineing and pay for the 
app. It really does a lot of great stuff. If you want something that works 
well, sometimes you have to pay for it.
Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!



On Mar 26, 2024, at 12:54 AM, Ron Canazzi mailto:aa...@roadrunner.com> > wrote:
 Hi Group,

The Book Share program itself now has its own app. It is free and while a bit 
limited, it does read book share books quite well and the recent addition of a 
bookmark feature makes it usable in that limited context. 
On 3/26/2024 12:38 AM, Gerardo Corripio wrote:
You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a 
Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream 
ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!
Gera 
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel



El 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten   
 escribió:
Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book 
player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download 
stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything 
else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates 
anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They 
shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare 
because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about 
whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  
I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows 
the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. 
Sent from my iPhone



On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James   
 wrote:
BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and 
M4B.  You can get it from the following link. 
 




  
  BookPlayer
  Plays M4B/M4A/MP3 
audiobooks
   
  Sent from my iPad Air 5
  


  On Mar 25, 2024, at 
7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
  I tend to agree with 
you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer 
app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he 
did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download 
bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I 
don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly 
happy with what I have now. 
  Mary
   
  Sent from my iPhone
  


  On Mar 25, 2024, at 
4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:
   
  I have not updated 
today.
  But, if anyone wants 
to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream 
LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription 
to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version 
as a subscription.
  $59 a year seems 
perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
  You can always dump it 
for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces 
and keep it free…
   
  Richard, USA
  "It's no great honor 
to be blind, but it's 

RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

They aren't considering that a large number of blind people can't afford $60 a 
year.  They aren't also considering that a large number of blind people aren't 
able to find jobs in the USA.More over if it were more reasonably priced 
maybe and it’s a big maybe.  It would be a big maybe because the only reason 
they would lower the price is they terribly misjudged the market.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:17 PM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Making everyone pay for voice dream

Just received a message voice dream is going to cost 59 dollars a year now. A 
pet peeve of mine is everything requires a subscription. I see nothing in there 
reasons for this that affects me. So, nice I had it for so long. It was a 
wonderful app, but I am done with it. As with MBraille I was one of the first 
to buy it for I think 5 dollars. Makes me want to cry to lose it, but much more 
important places to put my money. On Social Security with a guide dog and so 
guess it goes away. Still want to cry after all the books from Bookshare it has 
read to me.  

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If I can’t upload my own content to then  it  will be gone on May 1st.  It is 
one thing if you want to use it for book share books that’s fine.  But to 
charge if you import say a word document that is nuts it isn’t worth $60 a 
year.  No where close.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of regina 
alvarado
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
The email said it starts on May 1. When I went to the link, it showed me that 
it was $59 a year. It had all kinds of things they had done and why they would 
change to everyone. I bought it I think for five dollars. I was one of the 
first people to buy it I think. It said that on May 1, you will no longer be 
able to download anything. I use it only for books share and I’m very sorry 
that it’s going.
 
 
Reggie Alvarado 

On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:55 PM, leobado1...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

Well, if you want to throw some light on this, ask someone for assistance when 
you launch VDR, so that you can turn off voice over. Apparently, double tap on 
the learn more link makes the banner go away, so we’re deep in the woods here.
 
Cheers,
Leo Bado.
 
I have found both freedom of loneliness and the safety from being understood, 
for those who understand us enslave something in us.
Khalil Gibran.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 5:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

Not at these rates make it reasonable this is ridiculous.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
Developers have to eat too. They should get paid.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 7:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
So I opened up the app again and got the banner at the bottom of the screen. 
Not sure if I’ll sign onto the $60, but honestly, I more than got my money’s 
worth and then some for this app if this is the case. 
I believe BookPlayer also has an in-app payment option for cloud storage and 
syncing. 
For some folks, the 60 bucks for VDR might even be worth it as you can use just 
one app for both eBooks and audiobooks. Everyone knows their own budget though.
Cristóbal
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 4:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never 
heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just 
too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to 
download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly 
reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s 
doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.
Mary
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

Oh I reached out to them.  They are ridiculous. I remember this company saying 
something if you had already purchased it.  I’m off to find what that was.  I 
will again encourage everyone to at the least contact them the more that don’t 
buy it the stronger message it will send them.  This is more then 50 percent of 
what a Jaws subscription is in the USA   I don’t think so.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2024 12:55 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
I mentioned DAISY Easy Reader and Speech Central if you cannot afford Voice 
Dream Reader.
Perhaps you should reach out to supp...@voicedream.com 
  and ask about pricing in other countries.
Or, as you say, just use Easy Reader.
 
 
 
Richard, USA
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disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009)
 
My web site:   https://www.turner42.com
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream
 
You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a 
Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream 
ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!
Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
 
El 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > escribió:
Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book 
player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download 
stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything 
else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates 
anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They 
shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare 
because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about 
whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  
I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows 
the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James mailto:wiljame...@gmail.com> > wrote:
BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and 
M4B.  You can get it from the following link.
 




  
  BookPlayer
  Plays M4B/M4A/MP3 
audiobooks
 
Sent from my iPad Air 5
 
On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had 
never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. 
It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an 
easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would 
possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice 
stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.
Mary
 
Sent from my iPhone
 
On Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:

I have not updated today.
But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he 
sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin 
charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already 
started the Mac version as a subscription.
$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.
You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with 
much harder interfaces and keep it free…
 
Richard, USA
"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a 
disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or 
you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. 
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Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

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Gera  i agreee with you completely.  Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 26, 2024, at 12:44 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:Here in Mexico, $60 is almost a thousand Mexican pesos! Yeah I know... you can divide 1000 per month, which would be around 150 or so, but if you've already bought the app once...I know maybe Dolphin Easy Reader might not have the different voices or Audiobook slaying abilities, but it's free.GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 10:11 p.m., Joshua Hendrickson  escribió:I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year for voice dream reader. For me, it is one of the best apps out there for reading both ebooks and audio content. I’ll tell you all some of the recent changes the new owners have done for us all. They have recently allowed audio files in M4a format to  properly. When you want to change a reading voice for a bookshare book, you now have a search option  quickly find the voice you want. You also don’t have to pay for these voices either. You did have to pay around $5 per voice before. So please stop complaining and pay the $60 per year if you can. If people pay the money, think of how much better the app will be. I’ve pcht a lot of time into putting audio books and audio dramas on voice dream reader with iTunes to not pay the $60 price. When we found out that voice dream reader might be charging a subscripttion fee this shouldn’t be a surprise !o anyone. So please if you can, pay the $60!!!Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!On Mar 25, 2024, at 10:01 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link.BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooksSent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com



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i have contacted them. we all need to contact them and stand together. if necessary boycott the new company behind it. i will no longer recommend it. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 26, 2024, at 12:55 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I mentioned DAISY Easy Reader and Speech Central if you cannot afford Voice Dream Reader.Perhaps you should reach out to supp...@voicedream.com and ask about pricing in other countries.Or, as you say, just use Easy Reader.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo CorripioSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:39 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten  escribió:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link. BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooks Sent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.Mary Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/008e01da7f0d%24e3f975d0%24abec6170%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your 

Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

i won't pay for it. i did already. if i had not already paid for it that would be one thing. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 26, 2024, at 12:11 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:I can’t believe all this negative talk about not wanting to pay $60 per year for voice dream reader. For me, it is one of the best apps out there for reading both ebooks and audio content. I’ll tell you all some of the recent changes the new owners have done for us all. They have recently allowed audio files in M4a format to  properly. When you want to change a reading voice for a bookshare book, you now have a search option  quickly find the voice you want. You also don’t have to pay for these voices either. You did have to pay around $5 per voice before. So please stop complaining and pay the $60 per year if you can. If people pay the money, think of how much better the app will be. I’ve pcht a lot of time into putting audio books and audio dramas on voice dream reader with iTunes to not pay the $60 price. When we found out that voice dream reader might be charging a subscripttion fee this shouldn’t be a surprise !o anyone. So please if you can, pay the $60!!!Sent from My totally awesome iPhone!!On Mar 25, 2024, at 10:01 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link.BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooksSent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.MarySent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com



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Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream

[Dennis Long]

there pricing is crazy. more over i already paid for it. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 26, 2024, at 12:55 AM, Richard Turner  wrote:I mentioned DAISY Easy Reader and Speech Central if you cannot afford Voice Dream Reader.Perhaps you should reach out to supp...@voicedream.com and ask about pricing in other countries.Or, as you say, just use Easy Reader.   Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Gerardo CorripioSent: Monday, March 25, 2024 9:39 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Making everyone pay for voice dream You guys are forgetting about the "Dolphin Easy Reader" app; which has a Bookshare interface. It's free, thus I plan to use it even more if Voice Dream ends up being subscriptiononly. Good luck!GeraEnviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de TelcelEl 25 mar 2024, a la(s) 9:01 p.m., Mary Otten  escribió:Thanks for the clarification. I never get audiobooks from books share, so book player I don’t care. Kind of sucks. I still think I should be able to download stuff as long as I don’t try to upgrade. You can always do that with everything else. If I have an apple device for instance, and it’s not getting updates anymore I can still use it. This kind of stinks from that aspect. They shouldn’t cut us off from being able to download anything from Bookshare because we don’t want to pay. What if we don’t give a good bloody damn about whatever they think they’re going to implement that we’re going to pay for.  I’m not happy about that. But it’s the best thing out there so far. God knows the garbage from speech central doesn’t get it done. It’s too bad. Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 7:53 PM, William James  wrote:BookPlayer is an audio only player.  It plays zipped files, MP3,  M4A, and M4B.  You can get it from the following link. BookPlayerPlays M4B/M4A/MP3 audiobooks Sent from my iPad Air 5On Mar 25, 2024, at 7:59 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:I tend to agree with you, Richard. What is book player if you know? I had never heard of bookplayer app. There is no way I’m going to speech Central. It’s just too clunky. If he did what he’s been asked to do and implemented an easy way to download bookshare books right through the app, Then I would possibly reconsider. But I don’t give two figures for all that fancy Voice stuff he’s doing. I’m perfectly happy with what I have now.Mary Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 25, 2024, at 4:41 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I have not updated today.But, if anyone wants to go back and look at what Winston Chen had said when he sold Voice Dream LLC., he made it clear that he would have had to begin charging a subscription to be able to maintain development and he had already started the Mac version as a subscription.$59 a year seems perfectly reasonable to me if you want the app to continue.You can always dump it for DAISY Easy Reader or Speech Central and deal with much harder interfaces and keep it free… Richard, USA"It's no great honor to be blind, but it's more than a nuisance and less than a disaster. Either you're going to fight like hell when your sight fails or you're going to stand on the sidelines for the rest of your life." -- Dr. Margaret Rockwell Phanstiehl Founder of Audio Description (1932-2009) My web site: https://www.turner42.com-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/008e01da7f0d%24e3f975d0%24abec6170%24%40comcast.net.-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list 

Re: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

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the orbit writer has serval things the hable doesn't. examples include support that responds to customers, as i have heard on there email list that one person emailed support 3 times to set up a call for help and didn't here back. Even if we take that with a grain of salt lets look at what the orbit writer has. 1 multi device support. 2 it works according to the documentation on apple phones macs windows pcs and i can confirm apple watchs and android phones and i believe fire tablets. the hable doesn't work on multible devices and allow for easy switching.  Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 10, 2024, at 2:42 PM, 'Harry Bell' via VIPhone  wrote:There is also the Rivo 2 non-Braille keyboardHarryOn 10 Mar 2024, at 18:20, Louise Peyton  wrote:







Hello:
What is the difference between using the Hable 1 and the Orbit writer?  Thanks in advance.
 


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There’s also the Hable. You can find more at
Hable – Smart devices made accessible to everyone (iamhable.com) It’s available through the AT Guys at

Hable One Smallest Braille Keyboard For Any Tablet or Smartphone - Easy to Carry : A. T. Guys, Your Access Technology Experts (atguys.com)
 

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As Dennis said, the Orbit Writer is Bluetooth and a braille input keyboard, very small and is $99.
https://www.orbitresearch.com/product/orbit-writer/
 
 

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Hello all,
I’m looking for a small Bluetooth keyboard either braille or not braille to use for when texting on my iPhone.
So if anyone has any good affordable recommendations let me know.
Thanks and take care.
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FW: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes What is going on?

[Dennis Long]

I don't normally do this.  But I wanted to backup some of the claims I was 
making.  I feel it is important.

-Original Message-
From: hablecommun...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Jeanette 
Kutash
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 2:34 PM
To: hablecommun...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
What is going on?

I have to agree with Dennis here. For those of us who are less technically 
comfortable releasing a product without notes is like sudden death and Hable 
does this a lot. While I think some people have asked for more than Hable can 
deliver they need to be realistic and make choices. I started out loving the 
device but have found it difficult to learn to use because of the way they so 
sloppily do their documentation. And if Roger you think this is so great 
perhaps you should spend some of your time helping people who struggle. I think 
we have been very patient with Hable and  they have never been completely 
honest with us. When I got mine I tried to set up an appointment for help not 
once, not twice, but three times, and I got no assistance. So yes they may be a 
small staff but they have made promises, including a better help system, and 
have been unable to follow through. To continue to survive and I hope they do, 
they need to step up to the plate and figure out what they can realistically do 
and follow through on.

Jeanette 

-Original Message-
From: hablecommun...@groups.io [mailto:hablecommun...@groups.io] On Behalf Of 
Roger Fordham
Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:47 AM
To: hablecommun...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
What is going on?

Well you keep being there Dennis. But as for me, I use mine every day. I 
like it; each to his own. It may not be perfect, but for what it is, 
it's great. Voiceover isn't perfect. Microsoft isn't perfect. So why 
should Hable be perfect, especially with the small staff they have. So, 
you stick to your preference, and I'll stick to mine.

On 29/02/2024 15:44, Dennis Long wrote:
> Lets see people had issues installing it.AEB braille had issues Things 
> promised and not delivered when it was said would be hear by Hable themselves 
> so put it all together and that is where I am now.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: hablecommun...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Roger 
> Fordham
> Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:38 AM
> To: hablecommun...@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
> What is going on?
>
> And You would then be the first to complain that there hadn't been a
> February update at all. Where was it; why hasn't it happened, etc, etc.
> And I didn't see anything particularly bad about the July update either.
>
> On 29/02/2024 15:35, Dennis Long wrote:
>> This is a proven pattern.  From a bad July update and now this no you can 
>> only have so much patience.  You don't put out a update if notes aren't 
>> ready.  You hold back the update until the notes are ready.  If a free 
>> screen reader NVDA can put out proper release notes a $200 product can and 
>> certainly should be expected to do so!!!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: hablecommun...@groups.io  On Behalf Of Roger 
>> Fordham
>> Sent: Thursday, February 29, 2024 10:31 AM
>> To: hablecommun...@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [HableCommunity] February update official with no update notes 
>> What is going on?
>>
>> I absolutely disagree with you Dennis. You are always advising readers
>> to have patience. Where is yours then? The staff will issue notes when
>> they are ready; and because they haven't for one update, why does
>> suddenly this failure make the Bable a terrible product, and according
>> to you nobody should use it any more. Shame on you and your intolerance.
>> You know, and we all know, that the Hable has been of incalculable
>> benefit to thousands of users.
>>
>> On 29/02/2024 14:55, Dennis Long wrote:
>>> This is apparently official with no update notes.  To verify I went to this
>>> link.  It talks about the July update!  I can no longer recommend a Hable
>>> one to anyone.  You don’t respond to requests for what is new!  You don’t
>>> even publish proper release notes!!!  The Hable that caused me to recommend
>>> this product isn’t there  I will encourage anyone that wants a good
>>> Braille keyboard to get an Orbit writer.  This is the Hable update page.
>>> Where does it talk about the February update?
>>> https://www.iamhable.com/support/software-updates
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
&g

RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

[Dennis Long]

I use the orbit without a desk every day.  I just put it on the Lanyard.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 9:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations
 
The Orbit Writer will be used with the dots in a horizontal configuration, just 
like you’re using a Perkins style braille keyboard. I have to use it on a flat 
surface but I’ve heard others say that there’s a lanyard where you can use it 
without putting it down. It uses the braille support in VoiceOver. If you’re 
using other braille devices, like a braille e-reader from the NLS, you’ll find 
the key commands are going to be similar.
 
The keys on the Hable are side by side and vertical, and you hold it in your 
hands facing away from you. It’s similar to what you use when you use braille 
screen input on the iPhone in the mode where the iPhone is facing away from 
you. It doesn’t use the braille input support in VoiceOver. It’s my 
understanding that it connects to your phone like a Bluetooth keyboard and not 
a braille device. For me, this means the connectivity is quicker and smoother. 
It handles the braille translation internally, so you can still use contracted 
braille. The key commands aren’t going to be exactly like what you’d be using 
with other braille devices, but they are similar, and at least in my opinion, 
are a bit more intuitive.
 
Another difference is that in the US the Orbit Writer costs around $100 while 
the Hable cost around $200.
 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Louise Peyton
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations
 
Hello:
What is the difference between using the Hable 1 and the Orbit writer?  Thanks 
in advance.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2024 1:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations
 
There’s also the Hable. You can find more at Hable – Smart devices made 
accessible to everyone (iamhable.com)   It’s 
available through the AT Guys at Hable One Smallest Braille Keyboard For Any 
Tablet or Smartphone - Easy to Carry : A. T. Guys, Your Access Technology 
Experts (atguys.com) 

 
 
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Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024 9:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations
 
As Dennis said, the Orbit Writer is Bluetooth and a braille input keyboard, 
very small and is $99.
https://www.orbitresearch.com/product/orbit-writer/
 
 
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Subject: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations
 
Hello all,
I’m looking for a small Bluetooth keyboard either braille or not braille to use 
for when texting on my iPhone.
So if anyone has any good affordable recommendations let me know.
Thanks and take care.
Don Risavy
 
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Re: Small bluetooth keyboard recommendations

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The orbit writer is very good. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Mar 9, 2024, at 10:39 AM, djrisav...@att.net wrote:Hello all,I’m looking for a small Bluetooth keyboard either braille or not braille to use for when texting on my iPhone.So if anyone has any good affordable recommendations let me know.Thanks and take care.Don Risavy 



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RE: braille not translating correctly when I type.

[Dennis Long]

Nope input and output have to be set to the same.  I figured I would pass it on 
for anyone else who runs into this.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Arnold 
Schmidt
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 1:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: braille not translating correctly when I type.
 
I don't know if the following will work, it won't hurt to try. I use braille 
screen input, and when it starts making errors for no reason, one thing that 
will fix it is to type a bunch of letters and contractions, in other words, a 
bunch of garbage really quickly. then erasing it, It clears the memory or 
something, and it starts behaving as it should. There are a couple  other 
things I can try, I don't know that they would apply to the orbit writer, such 
as unlocking, then locking orientation, and switching between contracted and 
uncontracted braille, then switching back to contracted,  but typing a bunch of 
garbage really quickly, then clearing it always seems to work. 
 
Arnold Schmidt 
 
Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 3

On Mar 5, 2024, at 12:12 AM, Dennis Long mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> > wrote:

This just started I'm using the old US braille table. It says things like u 
circum flex when I do a wh sign. What do I do to fix it? any help and 
suggestions are appreciated. If it matters I'm using an orbit writer although I 
don't think it matters. The device i'm using is an iPhone 15 pro max. again 
this just started Thanks.
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braille not translating correctly when I type.

[Dennis Long]

This just started I'm using the old US braille table. It says things like u
circum flex when I do a wh sign. What do I do to fix it? any help and
suggestions are appreciated. If it matters I'm using an orbit writer
although I don't think it matters. The device i'm using is an iPhone 15 pro
max. again this just started Thanks.

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RE: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon

[Dennis Long]

Hear is the link to the applevis podcast.
https://applevis.com/podcasts/sunshine-side-snark-carrot-weather-alerts-radar-ios


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Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2024 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon

Hello Everyone,

Just wanted to check in and see how everyone is doing.

I am delighted to report that last week's rain storms did not cause any
further damage to my property so that is a good thing.

Given the weather patterns here in the golden state, I have come to realize
that the native Apple weather app is not the most accurate.  So, based on
the recommendation of several contractors who will be helping me get my
property back in order, I started using the NOA website for my local
precipitation predictions.

NOA stands for:  National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

You can get your local forecast, online, by entering your Zip Code at
http://www.weather.gov.

In the US, virtually every app and news outlet uses NOA for their weather
forecasts.

Two things to note, here:
1.
If one is willing to drill down a bit, one can find the same NOA info from
within the native Apple weather app but, unless one understands how the data
is formatted, I do not think the info is easily understandable.
2.
While the Weather Channel app for iOS reflects the most accurate NOA data,
astonishing  as it is for me to believe, future casts are, in effect,
inaccessible via VoiceOver.  I mean, you can hear the data but unless you
can see the display, you would be hard-pressed to have VO locate it.  I
would think that, after all these years, the Weather Channel app would be
the best app for iOS; and yet, it is not.  If any of you have any
recommendations for free weather apps I could try, let me know.

Okay, moving on:

A while back, people were asking about online dating apps.  Using a couple
of these apps, I have gone on more than a few dates, with different women,
recently; while not easy, these dating sites can work in meeting someone.
It just takes patience and perseverance; so to those of you seeking someone
special, hang in there and do not give up.

Okay, onto Amazon / Audible news:
So, 3 years ago, I purchased a Whisper Sync title in both Kindle and Audible
format, at the same time, from Amazon.

Long story short, I could not download the Kindle audible companion of the
book last week.  Now the Audible audio format of the title would play just
fine.

It took almost an hour to reach someone at Kindle support who said she would
refund my money for the Audible version of the title if I could find the
Audible purchase order number.  She could see the Kindle order purchase
number but she could not see the order number confirming that I had
purchased the Audible version.

Even with her help and patience, we could not locate the order number
confirming my Audible purchase in my Amazon Library.  Just before giving up,
I realized that I keep every confirmation email I receive from Amazon in an
email folder.

It took about 15 more minutes but I was able to locate the number and when I
gave it to her, she was able to see that I had, in fact, purchased the
Audible version.

So, she refunded my money.  At the time I purchased the title, the cost was
$7.99.  However, the cost of that same title, today is $25.99.  So, she
refunded the $25.99 as that is the replacement cost of the title.  I waited
a few days, just to make certain that I received the refund then I purchased
the title, again.

My point?  Always keep every email confirmation you receive from Amazon
because you never know when you may need it.

Okay, I think that about covers it, for now.

I hope this finds you well and I look forward to your replies.

Mark


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RE: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon

[Dennis Long]

Carrot weather is a good app. Thomas at Applevis did a very good podcast on it.

-Original Message-
From: M. Taylor  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2024 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark on Weather, Dating, and Amazon

Hello Everyone,

Just wanted to check in and see how everyone is doing.

I am delighted to report that last week's rain storms did not cause any
further damage to my property so that is a good thing.

Given the weather patterns here in the golden state, I have come to realize
that the native Apple weather app is not the most accurate.  So, based on
the recommendation of several contractors who will be helping me get my
property back in order, I started using the NOA website for my local
precipitation predictions.

NOA stands for:  National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

You can get your local forecast, online, by entering your Zip Code at
http://www.weather.gov.

In the US, virtually every app and news outlet uses NOA for their weather
forecasts.

Two things to note, here:
1.
If one is willing to drill down a bit, one can find the same NOA info from
within the native Apple weather app but, unless one understands how the data
is formatted, I do not think the info is easily understandable.
2.
While the Weather Channel app for iOS reflects the most accurate NOA data,
astonishing  as it is for me to believe, future casts are, in effect,
inaccessible via VoiceOver.  I mean, you can hear the data but unless you
can see the display, you would be hard-pressed to have VO locate it.  I
would think that, after all these years, the Weather Channel app would be
the best app for iOS; and yet, it is not.  If any of you have any
recommendations for free weather apps I could try, let me know.

Okay, moving on:

A while back, people were asking about online dating apps.  Using a couple
of these apps, I have gone on more than a few dates, with different women,
recently; while not easy, these dating sites can work in meeting someone.
It just takes patience and perseverance; so to those of you seeking someone
special, hang in there and do not give up.

Okay, onto Amazon / Audible news:
So, 3 years ago, I purchased a Whisper Sync title in both Kindle and Audible
format, at the same time, from Amazon.

Long story short, I could not download the Kindle audible companion of the
book last week.  Now the Audible audio format of the title would play just
fine.

It took almost an hour to reach someone at Kindle support who said she would
refund my money for the Audible version of the title if I could find the
Audible purchase order number.  She could see the Kindle order purchase
number but she could not see the order number confirming that I had
purchased the Audible version.

Even with her help and patience, we could not locate the order number
confirming my Audible purchase in my Amazon Library.  Just before giving up,
I realized that I keep every confirmation email I receive from Amazon in an
email folder.

It took about 15 more minutes but I was able to locate the number and when I
gave it to her, she was able to see that I had, in fact, purchased the
Audible version.

So, she refunded my money.  At the time I purchased the title, the cost was
$7.99.  However, the cost of that same title, today is $25.99.  So, she
refunded the $25.99 as that is the replacement cost of the title.  I waited
a few days, just to make certain that I received the refund then I purchased
the title, again.

My point?  Always keep every email confirmation you receive from Amazon
because you never know when you may need it.

Okay, I think that about covers it, for now.

I hope this finds you well and I look forward to your replies.

Mark


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RE: Anyone else having major issues with the latest 17.4 public beta?

[Dennis Long]

Text selection is fixed in the latest beta.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2024 11:05 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Anyone else having major issues with the latest 17.4 public beta?
 
Hi,
 
I haven't tried selecting text with the latest beta, but I'm not experiencing 
any of the issues in the original post.
 
Best,
Anna
 



On Feb 17, 2024, at 7:49 PM, Corey Cook mailto:corey.coo...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
I have seen some posts on fb iphone groups about this issue.
 
 
Corey Cook
 
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Christopher Chaltain
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Subject: Anyone else having major issues with the latest 17.4 public beta?
 
I installed the latest 17.4 public beta on my iPhone, and I’m having serious 
issues across the board. voiceOver performance is awful, especially when 
unlocking the phone and changing home screens. VoiceOver is very quiet much of 
the time, and not speaking when it did in the past. Gestures like the three 
finger swipes up and down are hit or miss, to the point where the Kindle  app 
is basically unusable for me. I’ve looked through my settings, and I don’t see 
anything unusual. The previous 17.4 beta was fine, so I’m surprised I’m having 
so many issues with a subsequent beta. I’ll start providing feedback, but I’m 
not sure where to begin. Anyone else on the latest 17.4 beta seeing any major 
issues?
 
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Re: Just the accessibility settings

[Dennis Long]

yes that would be good. 


Dennis Long
Sent from my iPhone 15  Pro Max

> On Feb 15, 2024, at 9:01 PM, Alvin Ng  wrote:
> 
> Very often we have to reset all settings in order to tackle the problem we 
> are facing on the phone. It is very tedious. In fact, most of the time the 
> problems are related to the accessibility settings. Should Apple provide an 
> option for us to just reset the accessibility setting? What do you think?
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RE: Has there been a recent AppleViz newsletter?

[Dennis Long]

It is always on the applevis website.  You can always contact applevis and see 
if you accidently got removed some how.  Posting hear really won't help you.

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Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2024 3:19 PM
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Thanks. I must not have received it this month. Any help in pointing me to how 
to obtain this would be most appreciated.
Thanks in advance. Keith


> On Feb 2, 2024, at 5:29 PM, Anna Dresner  wrote:
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
> Yes, one came out on January 31 or so.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2024, at 5:25 PM, Keith Kramlinger  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Has there been a recent AppleViz newsletter? I don’t recall having received 
>> one recently. I have checked both my junk folder and trash folders with no 
>> success. Maybe I received it, Reddit, and deleted it… But I’ll be darned if 
>> I can remember having done that.
>> Thanks in advance. Keith
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RE: iOS 17.3, Anyone? - also my thought son completely resetting my iPhone 13 Pro

[Dennis Long]

I agree with you I see no need to have all those books on your phone.

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Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 4:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: iOS 17.3, Anyone? - also my thought son completely resetting my 
iPhone 13 Pro

I know you love to hord audio books, but I sure hope you do have them backed up 
somewhere because having them downloaded all to your phone would make for a not 
very good situation if something ever happened to it. I also love audio books, 
but I am way too lazy to download them from multiple sources so for some years 
Audible has pretty much been my only source and by now my Audible library is a 
little over 1,100 books. But for me that is what the cloud is for, I have 
access to any of the books in my Audible library, but except for a few which I 
am listening to or planning to listen to, they are just living happily on 
Audible's server and if I want to listen to something again I can either stream 
it or tap the download button and less than a minute later it's done. But to 
each their own, I am in this sense also too cheap for having them all on my 
phone because ethen I'd have to spend hundreds of Dollars more to get a 1 Tb 
phone where for me the phone with the smallest capacity is just fine. So there 
you go, cheap and lazy, but it just means I can spend my money for whatever 
other toy or at times useful item I would like and lazy means I have time for 
work and other stuff.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 12:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 17.3, Anyone? - also my thought son completely resetting my 
iPhone 13 Pro

I have way to many audio books I have put on my iPhone to want to completely 
wipe my iPhone and set it up from scratch.  When I get my next iPhone, I'll 
just do phone to phone transfer and that should work for me.

On 1/25/24, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> One of the new features of iOS 17.3 is “stolen device protection”.
> You find it in Settings > Face Id and Passcode.
> I actually fell victim to it yesterday as I decided that the iOS 17.3 
> update might be a good time to do a complete reset of my iPhone and to 
> set up as a new device completely from scratch. I felt lately my 
> battery performance and a few other things weren’t what they should be 
> and it’s been many years isnce I did this. One thing I must say is 
> that nowadays for most iPhone users who use their phone for things 
> like email, banking, home automation, as a trusted device for 2-factor 
> authentication and more doing this is a real pain in the you know where and 
> it involves hours and hours of time.
> Anyhow, after I wiped my phone, went through the setup process and all 
> that I upgraded to iOS 17.3 and after the update it asked me if I 
> wanted to turn stolen device protection on. I did so since I was 
> actually running the iOS
> 17.3 Beta prior to this and already had it on. Then came the surprise. 
> I wanted to set my work email which is an Exchange account. When I 
> started I was informed that in order to do this I had to temporarily 
> turn off stolen device protection. So over to Settings I went, but 
> when I tried to turn it off I was informed that I wasn’t in a known 
> location hence a 1 hour delay would be put in place before I could 
> turn it off and there was a button to proceed and start the 1 hour 
> countdown. This of course was because I had wiped my iPhone and it had 
> not yet build up a history of my usual locations like my home and 
> work. I then received a notification when the hour was up, but I was 
> doing other stuff so I ignored it for a while, not sure how long, but 
> probably another hour or so and then when I went back to turn off 
> stolen device protection I guess too much time had passed and I had to 
> do it all over again. Next time I went back maybe 15 minutes after receiving 
> the notification and I then was able to turn it off.
> The other thing one should remember is that if you don’t have any 
> other trusted devices things can get complicated with 2-factor authentication.
> Even for some Apple stuff I had to go through 2-factor authentication 
> and enter the 6-digit code, fortunately we also have an iPad where I 
> was able to receive said code.
> As for setting up my Microsoft and some other accounts, I use the 
> Microsoft Authenticator app and of course you need to authenticate to 
> set up the authenticator app. Fortunately this was possible with a 
> combination of getting a code at one of my emails and text, but I tell 
> you it can get complicated and hopefully it will be many years until I 
> wish to do this again.
>
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Dan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2024 3:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 17.3, Anyone?
>
>
> Yep, I 

RE: Alexa iPhone app broken

[Dennis Long]

Yes it is the app.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 9:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Alexa iPhone app broken

Did this problem start after a elexa update?

Dave


On 1/16/2024 10:16 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi:
> Amazon basics thermostat use to work fie for scheduling home, away and sleep 
> times. Now you cannot set a scheduled event nor adjust thermostat, not even 
> with screen recognition.
> Open Alexa.
> Choose devices.
> Choose your thermostat.
> Tap view or edit schedule button.
> Then press the touchable action button. Nothing happens.
> They've rearranged the app.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of David 
> Grossoehme
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 12:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com; M. Taylor 
> Subject: Re: Alexa iPhone app broken
>
> Is this a problem from the start of using the Elexa Basic Thermostat, or have 
> you been using it for awhile and it just stopped?  Are you using other 
> devices in your household with Elexa or is this the only device? If you have 
> been using the thermostat for sometime, how did it stop working?
>
> Dave
>
>
> On 1/14/2024 5:38 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Hello Sarai,
>>
>> Can you be more specific on how the app is broken?
>>
>> This is to say, can you provide the steps to recreate the problem?
>>
>> Also, does the Amazon basics thermostat have hardware buttons by which to 
>> control the device? Or is it all touch screen?  Do you no longer have access 
>> to the device?  This is to say, can you no longer control the device at all?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2024 7:59 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Alexa iPhone app broken
>>
>> Hi all:
>> If you have the Amazon basics thermostat and try and set schedule or temp 
>> with the Alexa iPhone app, you cannot. Looks like they broke it.
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Re: Rain Gauge

[Dennis Long]

since it was a Christmas gift you should have until January 31st to return it. Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15  Pro MaxOn Jan 17, 2024, at 2:17 AM, Mária Orovčíková  wrote:

  

  
  
Hello list,
I'm sorry this is off-topic, but I don't know where to ask and I
  thought Sieghard might know the answer since he has been using the
  station.
I got Netatmo weather station for Christmass. My brother has
  installed the outdoor module, it is not in the shade and not
  exposed to rain or snow.
However, it gives me wrong temperatures, at least seven degrees
  higher compared to other thermometers in the appartment. (e.g.
  this morning Netatmo sai temperature was minus one, but with other
  devices and online it was minus eight celsius).

The outside module is very close to the base station.
Please, is there a way how to get it fixed (reset or something)
  or how to get in touch with Netatmo team?
I haven't found any contact info.
I am afraid I can't return the product, it was purchased from
  Amazon in Germany a few weeks before Christmass, so I have it
  longer than 30 days.
Thank you for your help in advance.
Maria


Dňa 16. 1. 2024 o 22:02 Sieghard Weitzel napísal(a):

  
  
  
  
The basic
Netatmo Weater Station includes the main indoor module which
connects to your WiFi and has to be plugged into power and 1
outdoor module which runs on 2 Triple A batteries and which
is already pre-paired wit the indoor module. You first set
up the indoor module, then put batteries in the outdoor
module and place it somewhere outside, of course it should
be in the shade and I would put it in a place where it is
not exposed to rain, snow etc. They do now sell an enclosure
which looks a bit like a plastic mug with a handle and it
has a plug on the bottom which unscrews, you place the
station in it and close it. The sides have slots so it can
get accurate temperature and humidity measurements, but it’s
protected from direct sunlight and rain. Of course the
outside module should also be not too far from the base
station, if you go too far it may work some time but loose
connection at times. But 40 or 50 feet is not a problem.

  
 
If
  you want a rain and/or wind gauge then you can buy
  them all at once in a bundle which is cheaper than
  buying them all separately. For Black Friday you could
  have had the entire bundle for I think 40% off, it was
  quite a good deal. 
 
You
  can also add up to 3 additional indoor modules. Keep
  in mind tthat the rain gauge should be placed in an
  open area with at least 6 or 8 feet (I think Netatmo
  says 10 feet) of space around it so no nearby trees,
  bushes or just a few feet from the house. It should
  also be approx. 1 m off the ground. Both rain gauge
  and wind gauge have a quarter inch standard tripod
  thread in the bottom and especially the wind gauge is
  a difficult installation if you want it to be
  accurate. Netatmo says it should be at least 4 feet
  above the highest point of your house, I have one but
  still haven’t gone through the trouble to put a 4-foot
  pole on the ridge of my house. I guess you could put
  it in an open area on your lawn on a tall post or
  something, but you won’t get accurate readings if that
  is maybe 20 or 30 feet away from your house where the
  house might block wind or create eddies.
 
 
Best
  regards,
Sieghard
 
From:
viphone@googlegroups.com

On Behalf Of David Grossoehme
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 12:46 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Dan

Subject: Re: Rain Gauge
  

 
Dan is $300 the price for the base unit or is that the price
  you paid for all theunits?
Dave
 

  On 1/16/2024 3:39 PM, Dan wrote:


  Netatmo
  makes a base unit and then there are external devices that
  can be placed outside.  the external devices include rain
  gauge, anemometer(for wind direction and strength) and
  temp and humidity.  I have the base with the temp/humidity
  unit 

RE: Siri and music recognition

[Dennis Long]

Try turning up the volume of what is playing.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Amaro
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2024 1:12 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition

Also having the same issue.  iPhone se 2022 latest IOS.  It says please try 
back in a bit

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Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition

> Hi Max,
>
> Unfortunately, I think hearing aids have something to do with it. I also 
> have hearing aids connected to my phone. This afternoon, the phone wasn't 
> playing through the aids for some reason, and music recognition worked. I 
> reconnected the aids, and music recognition still worked. However, it 
> didn't a work an hour later with the hearing aids still connected. I 
> turned them off, and it worked. It also worked a few minutes after I 
> turned them back on. I waited a few more minutes and tried again, and it 
> didn't work. So it seems that if the aids are connected for more than a 
> few minutes, music recognition stops working.
>
> Best,
> Anna
>
>
>> On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:55 PM, Max  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>> I have the same problem also.  Shazam won’t work either.  I think it is 
>> having my hearing aids connected to the phone at the same time.
>> Max.
>>
>>> On 5 Jan 2024, at 12:39, Tom Lange  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>> Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music 
>>> is being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But 
>>> now it says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do 
>>> pretty reliably. When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the 
>>> usual BS answer about it finding something on the web but won't give me 
>>> a direct answer, which is another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you 
>>> found something on the web, just give me the effin' answer, dammit! I 
>>> get so aggravated with Siri's apparent stupidity and annoying behavior. 
>>> So what's the deal with Siri's inability to recognize music that's being 
>>> played and picked up with the phone's microphone? Anybody notice this? 
>>> If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
>>> Tom
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RE: Keurig App

[Dennis Long]

Have you tried screen recognition?
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Edward 
Przybylek
Sent: Sunday, January 7, 2024 12:51 PM
To: 'ViPhoneList' 
Subject: Keurig App
 
Hi all,
 
A couple of days ago, we purchased a Keurig Supreme Plus coffee maker.  We’ve 
not had much success getting the Keurig app to work.  Many of the displayed 
buttons don’t activate when pressed and often the entire page is not shown so 
it’s difficult to find buttons that should be on the screen.  We can For 
example, we can find the allow button but not the don’t allow button.  I would 
greatly appreciate any suggestions you guys might have.  Thank you.  Stay well.
 
Take care,
Ed Przybylek
 
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RE: Siri and music recognition

[Dennis Long]

It is worth noting I get this on cellular and WIFI both.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 4:32 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition
 
I had the same problem for a couple of weeks. Today it's working fine. Go 
figure.



On Jan 5, 2024, at 3:11 PM, Tom Lange mailto:lang...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
I googled this topic earlier today and it seems that people have experienced 
this particular bug in iOS 16.
 



On Jan 5, 2024, at 12:44 PM, Dennis Long < <mailto:dennisl1...@gmail.com> 
dennisl1...@gmail.com> wrote:

I also get it 
 
From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com< 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:33 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri and music recognition
 
Seems to be a bug in Ios 17
 
 
From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com< 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tom 
Lange
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:21 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition
 
 I cleared the app, switcher and restarted the phone and I’m still having that 
problem. It’s puzzling. I tried Siri again both with and without Wi-Fi and got 
the same results. It cannot recognize music right now. Fortunately I did get 
Shazam to work. But I’m still curious about why Siri is doing that or not doing 
it is the case maybe.
 
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Brandon Olivares < 
<mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com> programmer2...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if 
we’re out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the 
background.
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner < 
<mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> richardr_tur...@comcast.net> wrote:
 
Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song 
started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming that 
tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always works 
unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. 
Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
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My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com/> https://www.turner42.com/
 
 
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale < 
<mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do 
like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I 
will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and 
sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther 
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash < <mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com> 
dadnthed...@gmail.com> wrote:
Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a 
song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?




On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy < 
<mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> theblindman...@hotmail.com> wrote:
 
I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.
Feliciano
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On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange < <mailto:lang...@gmail.com> 
lang...@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Hi folks,
Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. 
When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about 
it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is 
another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give 
me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent 
stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to 
recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? 
Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
Tom
 
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RE: Siri and music recognition

[Dennis Long]

I also get it 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri and music recognition
 
Seems to be a bug in Ios 17
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Tom 
Lange
Sent: Friday, January 5, 2024 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Siri and music recognition
 
 I cleared the app, switcher and restarted the phone and I’m still having that 
problem. It’s puzzling. I tried Siri again both with and without Wi-Fi and got 
the same results. It cannot recognize music right now. Fortunately I did get 
Shazam to work. But I’m still curious about why Siri is doing that or not doing 
it is the case maybe.
 
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:47 AM, Brandon Olivares mailto:programmer2...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Yeah it always works for me, too. I’ve even used it on my Apple Watch, if 
we’re out at a restaurant and I’m curious what music is playing in the 
background.
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 9:44 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
 
Tom, I just asked my Sonos system to play KEGR on TuneIn and when a song 
started playing I asked Siri "What is playing?" It responded with "Naming that 
tune" and accurately identified the tune that was playing. It always works 
unless  is a problem with the internet connection for me. 
Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 
 
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 6:14 AM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
I also have Shazam in my Music app. I don't ever remember downloading it. I do 
like Apple Music, however. I guess Shazam would be pretty good too. Maybe I 
will try it. Anyway, I hope all of you have a wonderful day. It's nice and 
sunny, but chilly here in Connecticut. Esther 
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
 
On Jan 5, 2024, at 8:42 AM, Tom Rash mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com> > wrote:
Do we even need Shazam?  I know we used to use Shazam, but after Apple, I 
assume bought it, I don’t have envoke   Shazam, I just ask Siri to identify a 
song.  I don’t do it a lot, but is my assumption correct?



On Jan 4, 2024, at 7:52 PM, Feliciano Godoy mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com> > wrote:
 
I solbed this by putting Shazam app on my home page. More efficient.
Feliciano
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On Jan 4, 2024, at 5:39 PM, Tom Lange mailto:lang...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
Hi folks,
Up until IOS 17's recent updates, I've been able to ask Siri what music is 
being played on the radio, through my Sonos speakers or whatever. But now it 
says it can't recognize music right now, which it used to do pretty reliably. 
When I asked Siri why it can't do that, it gives me the usual BS answer about 
it finding something on the web but won't give me a direct answer, which is 
another pet peeve. Don't tell me that you found something on the web, just give 
me the effin' answer, dammit! I get so aggravated with Siri's apparent 
stupidity and annoying behavior.  So what's the deal with Siri's inability to 
recognize music that's being played and picked up with the phone's microphone? 
Anybody notice this? If so, what did you do about it? Thanks,
Tom
 
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RE: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta

[Dennis Long]

Richard is this under rotor?
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rotor action default in iOS 17.3 beta
 
I found the following setting:
Change Rotor with Item 
I just turned that on, and I think that may have done the trick. At least the 
couple times I have closed and opened mail, it is defaulting to Actions instead 
of headings. Thanks.
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On Jan 2, 2024, at 1:33 PM, Jonathan Cohn mailto:jccacc...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I did notice a VO setting to change the default rotor location. Perhaps 
changing this will give you back the old behavior.
 
Sent from my iPhone



On Jan 2, 2024, at 4:17 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

This is likely the same in iOS 17.2... but has anyone else been bothered by 
the fact that the rotor, especially in the mail app, instead of defaulting to 
Actions, it defaults to headings? I find each time I open the mail app, and 
land on a message or thread, I have to change the rotor to actions in order to 
flick up to delete the message or thread.
 
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Re: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry

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T has been suggested i don’t know if it will happen i hope it does.Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn Dec 29, 2023, at 10:30 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:Yes that’s what I said.They need to add iPads though. I’m really liking the service. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Friday, December 29, 2023 7:37 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry Y can add a apple watch on Visible just fine   Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn Dec 29, 2023, at 8:30 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:Visible lets me do wifi calling and add apple watch. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph hudsonSent: Friday, December 29, 2023 3:25 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry Consumer cellular, was doing something similar, here in the states where you couldn't add cellular Apple Watch.Joseph Hudson EmailFaceTime/iMessagejhud7...@twc.comConnect with me on zoom https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09On Dec 29, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote: MVNO’s will use the same network as the major providers, but while they are a great option for many, they do often not offer all the features  you may get from a provider like Verizon or at, at least that is the case in Canada.For example, we used to have a fairly reasonable plan from Koodo which is owned by Telus, one of our 3 major providers in Canada. Everything was great except Koodo does not have the option where you can add a cellular Apple Watch for an extra $10 a months.They offer something similar if you want to add an iPad, but not an Apple Watch.Similarly, many years ago, you could not enable Wi-Fi calling if you had a Koodo plan. This is no longer the case now, but as far as I know you still can’t add an Apple Watch cellular plan with Koodo. If you don’t have an Apple Watch cellular that is of course not an issue, but if that is something you want to have then you are out of luck. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 12:56 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry They are absolutely not a knock off company.  They are owned by Verizon.  They offer the same great coverage of Verizon but for far less. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph hudsonSent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 4:42 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry Yes, this is one of the knockoff companies in the US. But since they are a virtual company, I'm sure you can sign up to them anywhere.Joseph Hudson EmailFaceTime/iMessagejhud7...@twc.comConnect with me on zoom https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09On Dec 27, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote: I assume this is a cellular provider/MVNO in the US?As for the 2-factor authentication, is it delivered by text message? If so then on your iPhone you just have to locate the button to automatically fill in the code which is typically available just above the on-screen keyboard on the left, tap it and the 2-factor code from the text message is automatically inserted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of sarai.bucciare...@gmail.comSent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 12:43 PMTo: macvisionar...@googlegroups.comCc: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry Hi all:So far I’m enjoying Visible wireless. The app is 99% usable. One annoying issue is with voiceover running when entering in text I’ve had other characters enter in that I don’t type. Work around is copying and pasting the majority of text.I hit a snag. They now have two factor authentication and I cannot type the code due to text being entered in that is in addition to what I type. You cannot edit either. I’ve even tried with a Braille display.No go. Has anyone found work arounds?-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/016e01da3905%244a8b3df0%24dfa1b9d0%24%40gmail.com. -- The 

Re: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry

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Y can add a apple watch on Visible just fine Dennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn Dec 29, 2023, at 8:30 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:Visible lets me do wifi calling and add apple watch. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph hudsonSent: Friday, December 29, 2023 3:25 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry Consumer cellular, was doing something similar, here in the states where you couldn't add cellular Apple Watch.Joseph Hudson EmailFaceTime/iMessagejhud7...@twc.comConnect with me on zoom https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09On Dec 29, 2023, at 3:22 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote: MVNO’s will use the same network as the major providers, but while they are a great option for many, they do often not offer all the features  you may get from a provider like Verizon or at, at least that is the case in Canada.For example, we used to have a fairly reasonable plan from Koodo which is owned by Telus, one of our 3 major providers in Canada. Everything was great except Koodo does not have the option where you can add a cellular Apple Watch for an extra $10 a months.They offer something similar if you want to add an iPad, but not an Apple Watch.Similarly, many years ago, you could not enable Wi-Fi calling if you had a Koodo plan. This is no longer the case now, but as far as I know you still can’t add an Apple Watch cellular plan with Koodo. If you don’t have an Apple Watch cellular that is of course not an issue, but if that is something you want to have then you are out of luck. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis LongSent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 12:56 AMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry They are absolutely not a knock off company.  They are owned by Verizon.  They offer the same great coverage of Verizon but for far less. From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph hudsonSent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 4:42 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Re: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry Yes, this is one of the knockoff companies in the US. But since they are a virtual company, I'm sure you can sign up to them anywhere.Joseph Hudson EmailFaceTime/iMessagejhud7...@twc.comConnect with me on zoom https://us06web.zoom.us/j/3437608339?pwd=akNsMHlLTWsyWmk0UXdSaVdsSkhNUT09On Dec 27, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote: I assume this is a cellular provider/MVNO in the US?As for the 2-factor authentication, is it delivered by text message? If so then on your iPhone you just have to locate the button to automatically fill in the code which is typically available just above the on-screen keyboard on the left, tap it and the 2-factor code from the text message is automatically inserted. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of sarai.bucciare...@gmail.comSent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 12:43 PMTo: macvisionar...@googlegroups.comCc: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry Hi all:So far I’m enjoying Visible wireless. The app is 99% usable. One annoying issue is with voiceover running when entering in text I’ve had other characters enter in that I don’t type. Work around is copying and pasting the majority of text.I hit a snag. They now have two factor authentication and I cannot type the code due to text being entered in that is in addition to what I type. You cannot edit either. I’ve even tried with a Braille display.No go. Has anyone found work arounds?-- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at: mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/--- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "VIPhone" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email toviphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/viphone/016e01da3905%244a8b3df0%24dfa1b9d0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your V iPhone list moderator is Mark Taylor. Mark can be reached at:  mk...@ucla.edu. Your list owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives 

RE: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry

[Dennis Long]

They are absolutely not a knock off company.  They are owned by Verizon.  They 
offer the same great coverage of Verizon but for far less.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of joseph 
hudson
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 4:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry
 
Yes, this is one of the knockoff companies in the US. But since they are a 
virtual company, I'm sure you can sign up to them anywhere.
Joseph Hudson
 
EmailFaceTime/iMessage
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Connect with me on zoom
 
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On Dec 27, 2023, at 3:38 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:
 
I assume this is a cellular provider/MVNO in the US?
As for the 2-factor authentication, is it delivered by text message? If so then 
on your iPhone you just have to locate the button to automatically fill in the 
code which is typically available just above the on-screen keyboard on the 
left, tap it and the 2-factor code from the text message is automatically 
inserted.
 
From:   viphone@googlegroups.com< 
 viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of  
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 12:43 PM
To:   macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Cc:   viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry
 
Hi all:
So far I’m enjoying Visible wireless. The app is 99% usable. One annoying issue 
is with voiceover running when entering in text I’ve had other characters enter 
in that I don’t type. Work around is copying and pasting the majority of text.
I hit a snag. They now have two factor authentication and I cannot type the 
code due to text being entered in that is in addition to what I type. You 
cannot edit either. I’ve even tried with a Braille display.
No go. 
Has anyone found work arounds?
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RE: VoiceOver Fails on iPhone 15 Pro

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Triple press the side button then do it again.  I haven’t had this issue on the 
15 pro max.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 9:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: VoiceOver Fails on iPhone 15 Pro
 
If anyone has a solution to what I describe below, I will appreciate your help.
 
This evening VoiceOver stopped speaking on my iPhone 15 Pro.
*   I hear the VoiceOver clicks and other sounds when I swipe up to 
activate the phone, but no speech.
*   I hear the VoiceOver clicks and other sounds when I swipe left and 
right, but no speech.
*   I’ve turned the volume up high; the VoiceOver sounds get louder, but no 
speech.
*   A three finger double tap does not bring up speech as it should.
*   I have attempted to use the voice command, “Siri, turn speech on,” or  
“Siri, turn speech off.” Neither will voice.
*   I have checked for Bluetooth devices that might be connected, but all 
are turned off. Also, if this were a Bluetooth conflict, I don’t think I would 
be hearing the VoiceOver sounds.
 
Thanks very much.
 
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Re: Visible Wireless keyboard text entry

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i'll report this i'm a visible super userDennis LongSent from my iPhone 15 Pro MaxOn Dec 27, 2023, at 3:43 PM, sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote:Hi all:So far I’m enjoying Visible wireless. The app is 99% usable. One annoying issue is with voiceover running when entering in text I’ve had other characters enter in that I don’t type. Work around is copying and pasting the majority of text.I hit a snag. They now have two factor authentication and I cannot type the code due to text being entered in that is in addition to what I type. You cannot edit either. I’ve even tried with a Braille display.No go. Has anyone found work arounds?



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RE: Text Message Notification Volume

[Dennis Long]

No this needs suggested as an enhancement.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 3:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Text Message Notification Volume

I went to Classic and have Descending downloaded for my text messages. It works 
well, kind of sounds like a trumpet. 

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Edward Przybylek
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2023 2:39 PM
To: 'ViPhoneList' 
Subject: Text Message Notification Volume

Hi all,

 

Before iOS 17, I was using a text notification tone that I could hear 
throughout my home.  That text tone is no longer available in the new list of 
text tones.  The bigger problem, however, is that none of the new tones are 
anywhere near as loud as the older tones.  Is there a way of increasing the 
volume of a text tone without affecting all the other volume levels on my 
phone?  As always, any help is greatly appreciated.

 

Take care,

Ed

 

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RE: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[Dennis Long]

They for now are separate subscriptions.  There is a beta but no app where they 
would be combined until late 2024.


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Grossoehme
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Mary Otten 
Subject: Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

As of December 7th all Hulu was placed on Disney Plus.  If in question 
then call Disney and see if they can help you.  However, you will 
receive more information from other blind tv users from the 
adp-l...@acblists.org.  Hulu will be combined with Disney Plus 
Streaming, as of earlier today, one other blind member of that list 
emailed, that it will be probably March before a lot of action is taken 
from them.  Hulu will not exist, beings they are part of Disney and are 
being combined into the Disney Plus Streaming Service.

Dave


On 12/19/2023 12:35 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a month. 
> I want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio 
> description, at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or 
> rent it. I have Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to know 
> how to turn on audio description in this format. I can’t find it anywhere. 
> According to Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. But I want it 
> on Hulu. Any ideas?
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

[Dennis Long]

That is not correct.  They will still have both apps.  I will find the article.

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Grossoehme
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com; Mary Otten 
Subject: Re: Audio description on Hulu through Apple TV app on the iPad

As of December 7th all Hulu was placed on Disney Plus.  If in question 
then call Disney and see if they can help you.  However, you will 
receive more information from other blind tv users from the 
adp-l...@acblists.org.  Hulu will be combined with Disney Plus 
Streaming, as of earlier today, one other blind member of that list 
emailed, that it will be probably March before a lot of action is taken 
from them.  Hulu will not exist, beings they are part of Disney and are 
being combined into the Disney Plus Streaming Service.

Dave


On 12/19/2023 12:35 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> I have recently subscribed to Hulu with ads for a year for a dollar a month. 
> I want to watch the movie zero days, which is listed as having audio 
> description, at least on Amazon prime, where I would have to pay for it or 
> rent it. I have Hulu connected to the Apple TV app on my iPad. I want to know 
> how to turn on audio description in this format. I can’t find it anywhere. 
> According to Amazon, AD is available, at least through prime. But I want it 
> on Hulu. Any ideas?
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: SiriusXm issue

[Dennis Long]

I agree with Richard.  I'll believe it when I see it.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 10:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SiriusXm issue

Colby,
Did you see Rich Desento's comment quoting a VP from Sirius about them being 
aware of the accessibility issues and plan to have a fix this week ...?
I wrote Rich and asked how he got in tough with people directly but got no 
response.  The person who responded to him seems to be on Linkin but I don't 
have a Linkin account to try and contact him

Just in case, I'll copy his note here:
My name is Saverio Mondelli and I’m the VP of Subscriber Experience for 
SiriusXM’s Streaming Products. Thank you for your outreach yesterday regarding 
our new SiriusXM app. I do apologize that you’re experiencing difficulties 
using the application. That is certainly not the experience that we hope to 
provide. Please know that accessibility is deeply important to us.
We’re currently working through a variety of issues related to accessibility in 
our iOS/Android and web experiences, many of which will drastically improve the 
challenging experience that you identified in your email. iOS in particular 
will receive updates next week at the latest that will resolve many of the 
issues you highlighted.
Thank you again for your outreach and please feel free to reach out to me 
directly if you have any questions, concerns, or general suggestions. 
I love hearing from our users and understanding how we can make their 
experience with our products better.
Best regards!
-Saverio




Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

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Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), 
JAWS version 2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kolby 
Garrison
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2023 4:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SiriusXm issue

Hi, Richard,
I have also reported the inaccessibility of the newly updated SiriusXM app to 
SiriusXM via telephone call and online chat.
Like you, I experienced the same scenarios of listener care representatives not 
understanding inaccessibility, screen reading software, unlabeled buttons, ETC.
Please do keep us updated if you are able to make any progress with 
communicating with someone in accessibility.
I am happy to assist with providing feedback.
Thank you,
Kolby

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SiriusXm issue

In an attempt to trouble shoot all the unlabeled buttons in the new update to 
Sirius XM, I tried Screen Recognition.
No joy.

I'll wait for sighted help to see if anyone can read the buttons...




Richard, USA
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on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

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Microsoft Windows 11 Core Version 23H2 (OS Build 22631.2715), JAWS version 
2024.2310.70.400


-Original Message-
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jimfettgat...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 10:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: SiriusXm issue

May I say that after many years of using StarPlayrX, I am also getting this 
login error.
I hope it might be temporary, time will tell. 
Thanks.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Duane 
Steele
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 10:07 AM
To: IPhone List 
Subject: SiriusXm issue

Hello Listers,

Recently, there was discussion about the forthcoming "improved" SiriusXM APP 
due for release today. So far, there's been no change. However, I also use the 
simple StarplayrX APP, and, today, when opening the APP, I received an error 
message that because of so many incorrect logins, I've been blocked from the 
APP for 24 hours. I don't recall these "incorrect logins", and wonder if the 
APP may have been shut down temporarily, or permanently. Any thoughts from 
other users?


+Peace & Blessings,
Pastor Duane L. Steele
Phone (276) 730-5194

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RE: How do I prevent my emails from being deleted on multiple devices

[Dennis Long]

Set it up as pop3.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brandon 
Olivares
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 11:11 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: How do I prevent my emails from being deleted on multiple devices
 
Yeah that’s just how the IMAP protocol works; I don’t think there’s anything 
you can do about it.



On Dec 16, 2023, at 11:08 AM, Richard Turner mailto:richardr_tur...@comcast.net> > wrote:
 
I do not know that you can prevent that when using Exchange or iMap.
 
I think I would call either, or both, Microsoft or Apple to see if they have 
knowledge of a setting to do what you want.
 
 
 
 
 
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From: 'john riehl' via VIPhone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: How do I prevent my emails from being deleted on multiple devices
 
I use Microsoft-365, windows-10 on my desktop as my primary email program. I 
only use my iPhone on occasion, mostly when I go out of my house. I recently 
had to switch my Outlook-365 Verizon account from POP to IMAP. This means that, 
unfortunately, my emails are no longer deleted from the server after I download 
them on my desktop, so they come into my phone, too. It also seems to mean  
that when I delete an email on my phone or desktop, it’s also somehow deleted 
from the other device. I emphatically do not want that. How do I prevent this 
from happening?
Thanks  John Riehl 
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RE: StarplayrX Working Again

[Dennis Long]

Your message is  empty.  People need to really watch this

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White
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2023 11:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: StarplayrX Working Again


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 15, 2023, at 5:05 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> For all of yesterday, I was getting the log in error for StarplayrX.  I tried 
> it this afternoon and it is working again.
> Can anyone else confirm this?
> 
> 
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RE: how to change the default tone in IOS answer

[Dennis Long]

You can't use Siri to do it!

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Arnold
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how to change the default tone in IOS answer

I need yo set something in Siri, but I can't figure how to get it to tell me 
health information. I followed Tom's steps, but there is something in Siri or 
somewhere else. Siri keeps telling me I can't tell you that. 

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Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2023 12:53 PM
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Someone was looking for this the other day.
https://applevis.com/podcasts/how-change-default-notification-alert-ios
 
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how to change the default tone in IOS answer

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Someone was looking for this the other day.
https://applevis.com/podcasts/how-change-default-notification-alert-ios
 

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RE: iPhone 15 pro max help needed with notifications

[Dennis Long]

Both of those are set properly.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Anna 
Dresner
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2023 3:52 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: iPhone 15 pro max help needed with notifications
 
Hi,
 
You might also want to go to Notification Settings. At the top, you can choose 
between count, sTack, and List. You might want to choose List. Not far below 
that is show Previews. Your choices are Always, When Unlocked, or Never. If you 
want to hear full notifications on the Lock Screen, choose Always.
 
I hope that helps.
 
Best,
Anna
 



On Dec 8, 2023, at 10:52 AM, Jennie Facer mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com> > wrote:
 
I believe in VoiceOver settings somewhere there is a speak all notifications. 
Is that on?
 
jenn
Jenn and Kumi



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Hi, It says things like dice world notification but not who took their turn It 
didn’t do this on my SE 3.  I’m sure it is a setting but what is it?  Help 
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iPhone 15 pro max help needed with notifications

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Hi, It says things like dice world notification but not who took their turn
It didn’t do this on my SE 3.  I’m sure it is a setting but what is it?
Help please.  I have notifications set to speak.

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RE: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,

[Dennis Long]

If I were the group mod or owner he would’ve been removed long ago.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brandon 
Olivares
Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 7:33 AM
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Subject: Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi,
 
Is anything ever going to be done about these empty messages?



On Dec 5, 2023, at 7:31 AM, alban hoxha mailto:albanhoxha1...@outlook.com> > wrote:
 
 

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Subject: Re: How do I use Apple Pay from my Apple Watch? Hi, 
 
Hi Keith,

All you have to do is double tap the side button and then hold it up to the 
reader. It has be unlocked on your wrist.

Hope this helps,

Jenn
Jenn and Kumi

> On Dec 3, 2023, at 3:50 PM, Keith Kramlinger   > wrote:
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> Hi,
> I have my credit card loaded into Apple Pay and in my wallet on both my 
> iPhone and my Apple Watch.
> How do I use my Apple Watch to pay with Apple Pay? A step-by-step guide would 
> be appreciated.
> Thanks. Keith
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RE: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

[Dennis Long]

I recommend the orbit writer keyboard.
 
From: realman02 via VIPhone  
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Subject: RE: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen
 
the Logitech 380 is a good, small keyboard. Here is the Amazon link
 
 
Logitech K380 Multi-Device Bluetooth Keyboard - Windows, Mac, Chrome OS, 
Android, iPad, iPhone, Apple TV Compatible - with Flow Cross-Computer Control 
 
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Subject: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen
 
All:
I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving. Merry 
Christmas to me! LOL.
I’m loving it.
Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone 
recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I can 
carry for travel as well. 
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RE: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen

[Dennis Long]

The Orbit writer is a good keyboard.
 
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Subject: Portable keyboard for ipad mini 6th gen
 
All:
I picked up an iPad mini 6th gen 256GB tablet for myself on Thanksgiving. Merry 
Christmas to me! LOL.
I’m loving it.
Since a 14 cell Braille display is currently not in my budget, can anyone 
recommend a portable keyboard that I can use with my new iPad? Something I can 
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RE: Walmart Black Friday deal

[Dennis Long]

Another blank Message.  Mark take care of this please.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of alban 
hoxha
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 8:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Walmart Black Friday deal
 
 
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Vicky Collins mailto:vcollins5...@gmail.com> >
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2023 3:35:01 PM
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Subject: Re: Walmart Black Friday deal 
 
Replying to my own message here. And in the end, kind of wanting to take care 
of everything myself, I took another chance and just made the online purchase 
of my two upgrade phones on Wednesday night, so I'm hoping I get both gift 
cards OK this time. I had really only planned to upgrade my 13 mini to a 15 pro 
and get the $300 gift card for it. But when I saw that there was a $500 gift 
card to purchase a 14+, even though I'm not crazy about the bigger phones, I 
wanted that gift card and so upgraded my 12 mini to the 14+ as well. Since my 
TV watching is done through my phones only as I have no actual television, I 
figured the 14+ with its bigger speaker than the mini phones I now use would be 
good for that.  
 
Sent from my iPhone



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Are any of you all with AT or Verizon  taking advantage of the Walmart E 
gift card deal this year to get a new iPhone? I'm thinking I might do so 
myself, at least the gift card part but not the trade-in part, as I don't want 
those bill credits given a little bit at a time over 36 months or whatever it 
is. True, it does require getting one of the more expensive phones, having one 
of the pricier data plans, and committing to an installment agreement, at least 
for a couple of months, but since I do a lot of shopping at Walmart and my 
internet comes only from my phone data plan, this works for me. 
 
I did this online a couple of years ago, getting two phones with a $300 E gift 
card coming with each. However, I must've done something wrong along the way 
because I only got one of my E gift cards emailed to me originally, and then I 
had to fight for over a month to finally get the second one sent to me. Thus, I 
was thinking I would see if I could get a family member to take me to Walmart 
this year, especially since the E gift card is emailed within 24 hours for an 
in store purchase, but it takes 20 days for an online purchase.
 
As I had kind of a hard time finding the preview announcement this year, here 
is the link to it:
https://www.walmart.com/cp/wireless-event-terms-conditions/3558588
 
 
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RE: A Happy Thanksgiving Day to Everyone

[Dennis Long]

Another blank message.  Mark please take care of this member.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of alban 
hoxha
Sent: Friday, December 1, 2023 8:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A Happy Thanksgiving Day to Everyone
 
 
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Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2023 9:45:32 PM
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Subject: RE: A Happy Thanksgiving Day to Everyone 
 
Thank you Mark, and I wish the best for everyone today. We all have things to 
be thankful for, regardless if it is a national holiday. 

-Original Message-
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Subject: A Happy Thanksgiving Day to Everyone

Hello All,

Even though some here in the group live in places where thanksgiving is not 
celebrated, I want to wish everyone in this community a very happy Thanksgiving 
Day.

I am truly thankful that I have the extreme privilege of sharing my 
accessibility life with you all.

I continue to be astonished at how comforting it is to know that you are all 
there and that when I do encounter accessibility problems, Apple-related or 
not, I know that I am not alone in my struggles and that you will do your best 
to help and encourage me to not give up, or give in, to the challenge.

Please know that I am thinking about you, today, and everyday.

Most Sincerely,

Moderator Mark



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RE: Preserving batteries

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Yes it isn’t good to leave it plugged in all the time.  Just like it isn’t good 
to only charge to 70 or 80 percent.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jody 
ianuzzi
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Preserving batteries
 
Thank you! He would think keeping it plugged in all the time would be a good 
thing but I guess it's not. Thanks for the help
JODY



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On Nov 28, 2023, at 11:57 PM, Joshua Hendrickson mailto:louv...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I'd suggest to run down your backup phone as much as you can.  I've
had my phone run down to 4 or 3% before recharging it.  I use my phone
for book reading and watching movies all the time and it is really
cool.

On 11/28/23, Jody ianuzzi mailto:thunderwalker...@gmail.com> > wrote:


I have a back up phone that I would like to use for reading books etc. When
I had a back up phone in the past I kept it plugged in all the time and
apparently this killed the battery. How can I use this backup phone in such
a way that I do not destroy the battery?
JODY
 
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RE: I'm still having problems with WhatsApp

[Dennis Long]

You should always upgrade.  If for no other reason than the security fixes.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rena
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2023 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: I'm still having problems with WhatsApp
 
I never had any problem until now.
I’m delaying the upgrade because I heard several people have problems with 17, 
but of course, sooner or later I will upgrade.
 
Rena
 
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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Re: I'm still having problems with WhatsApp
 
upgrade to iOS 17.
i have no issues with WhatsApp on iOS 17. 
 
Dennis Long 
sent from my iPhone  SE 3
 
On Nov 26, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Rena mailto:onyxfran...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hello,
 
Every time I tap on new call, it says cancel. If I tap on any name in the 
contacts, it says 0 percent of something, etc. To make a call, I have to tap on 
the name of someone who called me.
I restarted the phone, nothing changed.
This is iOS 16.
Any idea?
 
Rena
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Re: I'm still having problems with WhatsApp

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upgrade to iOS 17.i have no issues with WhatsApp on iOS 17. Dennis Long sent from my iPhone  SE 3On Nov 26, 2023, at 11:37 AM, Rena  wrote:Hello, Every time I tap on new call, it says cancel. If I tap on any name in the contacts, it says 0 percent of something, etc. To make a call, I have to tap on the name of someone who called me.I restarted the phone, nothing changed.This is iOS 16.Any idea? Rena



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RE: Update to SuperSense available.

[Dennis Long]

I couldn't recommend this app today.  Just like I couldn't recommend some 
products I have recommended do to failure to add features they promised in a 
timely manner.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2023 11:59 AM
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Subject: Update to SuperSense available.

Here’s what they say about the update, don’t hold your breath, it’s nothing to 
write home about.

Hello friends, We've received many requests from our users and are responding 
to them with the feature updates in the highest demand. We're thrilled to 
announce the most recent updates to Supersense below: 1) Read History Filters: 
Tailor your results in Read History and display only what you need on the 
latest results section 2) Library: A new Library button is added to Read 
History where you can access all recognition history categorized by read modes 
in the new Library screen 3) Dark Theme: Switch to dark mode on all Supersense 
screens by selecting Dark Theme under the settings menu 4) Reading Settings: A 
new settings menu to customize reading and display options on the reading 
screen 5) Quick Mode Selection: An optional setting to start Supersense in mode 
selection menu instead of scanning screen. You can change it under the Settings 
menu. More exciting news and features are on the way! As always, we appreciate 
any feedback to provide our users with the best solutions. Please let us know 
what you think about Supersense by sending your thoughts to 
superse...@mediate.tech. Best, Supersense Team

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RE: iOS17.1 and Getting the Old Sounds Back

[Dennis Long]

The problem is the main notification system sound can’t be changed.  This needs 
to be an option.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2023 11:00 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: iOS17.1 and Getting the Old Sounds Back
 
Hi All,
 
Here's an article from Top Tech Tidbits on getting your old sounds back in 
iOS17.1.
 
 How To Switch Back To The Old Notification Sounds On iPhone 

In iOS 17, many of the default sounds for notifications, alarms and timers have 
been changed — but how do you get back the old sounds if you don't like the new 
ones? This article shows you how:

https://www.cultofmac.com/832040/get-old-notification-sounds-back-on-iphone/
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.
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RE: not being notified of all text messages

[Dennis Long]

It is annoying hoping it is fixed in 17.2 betas.  We'll see.  Nope not totally 
fixed in 17.1

-Original Message-
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Cristóbal Muñoz
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2023 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: not being notified of all text messages

It's a known bug that has yet to be fix by Appple. Some of us deal with it, but 
others are unaffected. It's supremely annoying. I usually have to restart my 
phone once a day. The restart helps, but only for a while. Sometimes, the rest 
of the day, sometimes, just hours.  

Cristóbal

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Subject: Re: not being notified of all text messages

When I noticed the messages that I missed in the MMessages app, VoiceOver did 
not say muted for any of them. W Ryan Mann Certified Assistive Technology 
Instructional Specialist rmann0...@gmail.com
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> On Oct 22, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> Make sure you haven't accidently muted certain conversations. It is pretty 
> obvious, though, if you did Voiceover would say the person's name followed by 
> "muted".
> 
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> 
> I am running iOS 17.03 on an iPhone XR.  For some text messages, I hear my 
> text tone and the message.  For other messages, I don’t even hear the tone 
> and the only way I know about them is if I go into the messages app.  There 
> does not seem to be any pattern of which messages I get notified about and 
> which ones I don’t.  I do not have any focus on and Do Not Disturb is not on 
> either.  Why would this be happening?
> 
> Ryan Mann
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RE: not being notified of all text messages

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I've noticed this and have reported it.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan Mann
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 3:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: not being notified of all text messages

When I noticed the messages that I missed in the MMessages app, VoiceOver did 
not say muted for any of them. W
Ryan Mann
Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist
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386-383-5175


> On Oct 22, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
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> Make sure you haven't accidently muted certain conversations. It is pretty 
> obvious, though, if you did Voiceover would say the person's name followed by 
> "muted".
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Ryan 
> Mann
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2023 7:56 AM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: not being notified of all text messages
> 
> I am running iOS 17.03 on an iPhone XR.  For some text messages, I hear my 
> text tone and the message.  For other messages, I don’t even hear the tone 
> and the only way I know about them is if I go into the messages app.  There 
> does not seem to be any pattern of which messages I get notified about and 
> which ones I don’t.  I do not have any focus on and Do Not Disturb is not on 
> either.  Why would this be happening?
> 
> Ryan Mann
> Certified Assistive Technology Instructional Specialist rmann0...@gmail.com
> 386-383-5175
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