Re: Cooking with terabytes

[Chris Smart]

hahahahahahahhaa. sorry but that's pretty funny!
At 02:52 PM 9/21/2015, you wrote:
I think one of the old bloopers
goes back to DOS and early Dolphin screen reader, used a lot by
physiotherapists.
Which got pronounced physio-the-rapist.
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From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmo...@mosen.org>
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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: Cooking with terabytes

Indeed, my wife was reading a book the other day, in which one of the
characters ended up dying of terabytes.
To follow all the political excitement in Australia last week, I was
listening to a station in Sydney called 2 G B, which default 
Daniel, my voice of choice, called 2 Gigabytes.
I also find Alex spells out a lot of things, such as email addresses and
Twitter IDs. It also seems to mispronounce more than most 
voices, so I give Alex a miss.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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> On 22/09/2015, at 3:49 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that
when you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to 
> add one and a half terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will
the folks who make the speech synthesizers stop trying to guess 
> what abbreviations mean and leave it up to us, the human readers
with the smarts, to figure it out for ourselves?
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Cooking with terabytes

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

Intrigued by this giving femininity to the geek concept,  but several have 
already said,  presumption of what is meant is more 
irritating than just saying it as it is.
Pronounce actual words, that is what TTs is for, but acronyms are an obvious 
minefield  since they differ so widely between 
contexts.
We, the reader, knows our context, the TTS doesn't.

Ah yes, totally agree to the idea of turning off that expansion, I'd add it to 
spellcheck and word prediction as things I switch off 
from the word Go!

BobH.
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Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 1:55 AM
Subject: Re: Cooking with terabytes


I assume this is a joke, but being a geek myself, I feel obligated to
stand up for geeks everywhere. First, I don't think it's an easy task to
come up with an algorithm that's going to know how to pronounce an
abbreviation correctly in every context. I don't think it's a case of a
geek with delusions of godhood, but rather a smart guy trying to do the
best he or she can do to make as many people as happy as possible while
taking up as few of your iPhone's resources as she can.

Second, I think an option in the iPhone where you can turn off
abbreviation expansion or providing a pronunciation dictionary would be
a good feature allowing people to customize things a bit more to their
liking. I know I've fought for the ability in screen readers to turn off
abbreviation expansion so I can hear exactly what's on the screen with
as little interpretation as possible.

On 09/21/2015 01:49 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone wrote:
> This is done by geeks that think they're gods, and so know it all.
>
> I guess this proves they're neither.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mary Otten" <motte...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>; <macvisionar...@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:49 PM
> Subject: Cooking with terabytes
>
>
> Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when 
> you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to 
> add
> one and a half terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who 
> make the speech synthesizers stop trying to guess 
> what
> abbreviations mean and leave it up to us, the human readers with the smarts, 
> to figure it out for ourselves?
> Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Cooking with terabytes

[Christopher Chaltain]

I assume this is a joke, but being a geek myself, I feel obligated to 
stand up for geeks everywhere. First, I don't think it's an easy task to 
come up with an algorithm that's going to know how to pronounce an 
abbreviation correctly in every context. I don't think it's a case of a 
geek with delusions of godhood, but rather a smart guy trying to do the 
best he or she can do to make as many people as happy as possible while 
taking up as few of your iPhone's resources as she can.


Second, I think an option in the iPhone where you can turn off 
abbreviation expansion or providing a pronunciation dictionary would be 
a good feature allowing people to customize things a bit more to their 
liking. I know I've fought for the ability in screen readers to turn off 
abbreviation expansion so I can hear exactly what's on the screen with 
as little interpretation as possible.


On 09/21/2015 01:49 PM, 'RobH.' via VIPhone wrote:

This is done by geeks that think they're gods, and so know it all.

I guess this proves they're neither.
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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 4:49 PM
Subject: Cooking with terabytes


Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when you're 
making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add
one and a half terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who 
make the speech synthesizers stop trying to guess what
abbreviations mean and leave it up to us, the human readers with the smarts, to 
figure it out for ourselves?
Mary

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Re: Cooking with terabytes

[Jewel]

I had heard much of Alex so when I was wandering through settings/voices last 
night and came upon the option to invite him into my humble iPhone, I did so!  
To say that I was, distinctly underwhelmed would not be overstating the case!  
I want to give him the "bum's rush", but now that he has his boots under the 
table, he doesn't seem to be inclined to leave without a struggle.

 Jewel


From: Jonathan Mosen 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Cooking with terabytes


Indeed, my wife was reading a book the other day, in which one of the 
characters ended up dying of terabytes. 
To follow all the political excitement in Australia last week, I was listening 
to a station in Sydney called 2 G B, which default Daniel, my voice of choice, 
called 2 Gigabytes.

I also find Alex spells out a lot of things, such as email addresses and 
Twitter IDs. It also seems to mispronounce more than most voices, so I give 
Alex a miss.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


  On 22/09/2015, at 3:49 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when 
you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half 
terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the speech 
synthesizers stop trying to guess what abbreviations mean and leave it up to 
us, the human readers with the smarts, to figure it out for ourselves?
  Mary

  Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Cooking with terabytes

[Mary Otten]

Well, having started the thread with that little slam on Mr. Alex, I think I 
have to defend him. Perhaps because I've used them on the Mac for several years 
now I really like Alex. I feel he is one of the more natural reading voices 
around, probably because he breeds, usually in the right place. I am 
underwhelmed with most of the voices that Apple provides. My favorites are 
actually from VoiceDream, but since I can't use those with voiceover, I use 
Alex. And I'm starting to use the female Siri voice enhanced for reading some 
novels, again because I have Kindle books and iBooks that I can't use my voice 
dream readers on.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 5:39 PM, Jewel <jewelbla...@kinect.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> I had heard much of Alex so when I was wandering through settings/voices last 
> night and came upon the option to invite him into my humble iPhone, I did so! 
> To say that I was, distinctly underwhelmed would not be overstating the case! 
>  I want to give him the "bum's rush", but now that he has his boots under the 
> table, he doesn't seem to be inclined to leave without a struggle.
>  
>  Jewel
> 
> From: Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:03 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Cooking with terabytes
> 
> Indeed, my wife was reading a book the other day, in which one of the 
> characters ended up dying of terabytes.
> To follow all the political excitement in Australia last week, I was 
> listening to a station in Sydney called 2 G B, which default Daniel, my voice 
> of choice, called 2 Gigabytes.
> I also find Alex spells out a lot of things, such as email addresses and 
> Twitter IDs. It also seems to mispronounce more than most voices, so I give 
> Alex a miss.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
> http://Mosen.org
> 
>> On 22/09/2015, at 3:49 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when 
>> you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half 
>> terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the 
>> speech synthesizers stop trying to guess what abbreviations mean and leave 
>> it up to us, the human readers with the smarts, to figure it out for 
>> ourselves?
>> Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Cooking with terabytes

[Rose Combs]

I’d like Alex back but he seems to be off playing with something, he refuses to 
come back.  

 

 

Rose Combs

 <mailto:roseco...@q.com> roseco...@q.com

A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the memory!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jewel
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 5:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cooking with terabytes

 

I had heard much of Alex so when I was wandering through settings/voices last 
night and came upon the option to invite him into my humble iPhone, I did so!  

To say that I was, distinctly underwhelmed would not be overstating the case!  
I want to give him the "bum's rush", but now that he has his boots under the 
table, he doesn't seem to be inclined to leave without a struggle.

 

 Jewel

 

From: Jonathan Mosen <mailto:jmo...@mosen.org>  

Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 4:03 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Cooking with terabytes

 

Indeed, my wife was reading a book the other day, in which one of the 
characters ended up dying of terabytes. 

To follow all the political excitement in Australia last week, I was listening 
to a station in Sydney called 2 G B, which default Daniel, my voice of choice, 
called 2 Gigabytes.

I also find Alex spells out a lot of things, such as email addresses and 
Twitter IDs. It also seems to mispronounce more than most voices, so I give 
Alex a miss.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org

 

On 22/09/2015, at 3:49 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when you're 
making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half terabytes 
of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the speech 
synthesizers stop trying to guess what abbreviations mean and leave it up to 
us, the human readers with the smarts, to figure it out for ourselves?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Cooking with terabytes

[Brent Harding]

I remember back when that System Access To Go's speech would say fathoms 
where FM should've been in radio listings. The ones I really found annoying 
were back in school when they used Kurzweil 3000 to try to turn scanned 
books in to audio, hearing web addresses completely pronounced with all 
abbreviations expanded got annoying after awhile, and mangled them often 
enough.


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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 10:49 AM
Subject: Cooking with terabytes


Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when 
you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half 
terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the 
speech synthesizers stop trying to guess what abbreviations mean and leave 
it up to us, the human readers with the smarts, to figure it out for 
ourselves?

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Cooking with terabytes

[Jonathan Mosen]

Indeed, my wife was reading a book the other day, in which one of the 
characters ended up dying of terabytes.
To follow all the political excitement in Australia last week, I was listening 
to a station in Sydney called 2 G B, which default Daniel, my voice of choice, 
called 2 Gigabytes.
I also find Alex spells out a lot of things, such as email addresses and 
Twitter IDs. It also seems to mispronounce more than most voices, so I give 
Alex a miss.
Jonathan Mosen
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> On 22/09/2015, at 3:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when 
> you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half 
> terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the speech 
> synthesizers stop trying to guess what abbreviations mean and leave it up to 
> us, the human readers with the smarts, to figure it out for ourselves?
> Mary
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Cooking with terabytes

[Mary Otten]

Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when you're 
making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half terabytes 
of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the speech 
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Re: Cooking with terabytes

[Mary Otten]

I haven't found that Alex is any worse than any of the other voices. Perhaps 
your mileage varies depending on what you read. I did notice that the GM or 
gold master turned into grams. Which I thought was interesting. I'm sure there 
are many of these, and they've been happening for years. I still say the best 
thing is to just leave it alone and let us figure out where the abbreviation 
means according to context. Sighted people do it all the time. Why can't we?
Mary

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> On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
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> Indeed, my wife was reading a book the other day, in which one of the 
> characters ended up dying of terabytes.
> To follow all the political excitement in Australia last week, I was 
> listening to a station in Sydney called 2 G B, which default Daniel, my voice 
> of choice, called 2 Gigabytes.
> I also find Alex spells out a lot of things, such as email addresses and 
> Twitter IDs. It also seems to mispronounce more than most voices, so I give 
> Alex a miss.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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> 
>> On 22/09/2015, at 3:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when 
>> you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half 
>> terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the 
>> speech synthesizers stop trying to guess what abbreviations mean and leave 
>> it up to us, the human readers with the smarts, to figure it out for 
>> ourselves?
>> Mary
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Re: Cooking with terabytes

[Gmail]

The one that really annoys me is pretty recent; Samantha says defeaturing 
anytime the word defeat is used. It doesn't seem to do this if you move word by 
word, but if you come across it when VoiceOver is just speaking, as when 
flicking right/left, Samantha says it the way I described. I'll have to test 
this to see if it happens with other voices.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Sep 21, 2015, at 9:03 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
> 
> Indeed, my wife was reading a book the other day, in which one of the 
> characters ended up dying of terabytes.
> To follow all the political excitement in Australia last week, I was 
> listening to a station in Sydney called 2 G B, which default Daniel, my voice 
> of choice, called 2 Gigabytes.
> I also find Alex spells out a lot of things, such as email addresses and 
> Twitter IDs. It also seems to mispronounce more than most voices, so I give 
> Alex a miss.
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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> 
>> On 22/09/2015, at 3:49 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when 
>> you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add one and a half 
>> terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who make the 
>> speech synthesizers stop trying to guess what abbreviations mean and leave 
>> it up to us, the human readers with the smarts, to figure it out for 
>> ourselves?
>> Mary
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Re: Cooking with terabytes

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I also agree, presumption gets irritating in a hurry.
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Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when you're 
making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to add 
one and a half terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks who 
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Re: Cooking with terabytes

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

I think one of the old bloopers goes back to DOS and early Dolphin screen 
reader, used a lot by physiotherapists.

Which got pronounced physio-the-rapist.
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Indeed, my wife was reading a book the other day, in which one of the 
characters ended up dying of terabytes.
To follow all the political excitement in Australia last week, I was listening 
to a station in Sydney called 2 G B, which default 
Daniel, my voice of choice, called 2 Gigabytes.
I also find Alex spells out a lot of things, such as email addresses and 
Twitter IDs. It also seems to mispronounce more than most 
voices, so I give Alex a miss.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

> On 22/09/2015, at 3:49 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good old Alex has discovered a new cooking term. Did you know that when 
> you're making short ribs in the slow cooker, you need to 
> add one and a half terabytes of balsamic vinegar? When, when, will the folks 
> who make the speech synthesizers stop trying to guess 
> what abbreviations mean and leave it up to us, the human readers with the 
> smarts, to figure it out for ourselves?
> Mary
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Re: Cooking with terabytes

['RobH.' via VIPhone]

This is done by geeks that think they're gods, and so know it all.

I guess this proves they're neither.
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