Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Rebecca Sabo]

I have a iPad pro and it is not keeping a charge and I am using voice over and 
the latest op system .  What should I do and I like my iPhone but I also want 
to use a iPad that works .
Becky 
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 8:04 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sieghard
> - that's what we all hope. An iPhone 8 with all the new technologies of top.
> 
> If it is not this time, I and millions of people will be very disappointed 
> and even perhaps will leave Apple...
> And Samsung will sell galaxy S8 more and more like water...
> 
> Apple has to come with all in this iPhone 8.
> a big screen with  powerfull battery and the best technology of top.
> That is what we all want and hope...
> I hope more RAM with 4GB and of course a new processor Apple 11.
> The rest we all know what the world wants in the iPhone 8.
> thanks Sieghard
> 
> cheers.
> 
> 
> Às 01:24 de 16/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
>> The Plus models already have a 5.5 inch screen and have had it since the 
>> iPhone 6 Plus.
>> There are rumours that there will be a new high-end iPhone in the fall with 
>> a 5.8 inch screen which may not actually be physically be larger as it would 
>> have narrower or no bezel around the screen, but it sounds as if it will 
>> also be an even more expensive phone as the Plus models already are due to 
>> the fact that it may have all the latest technologies like OLED screen, 
>> wireless charging etc. I guess we'll see.
>> 
>> I guess your reasons are all valid, definitely I can see how sighted people 
>> enjoy the larger screens. For me even the new iPad Pro with the Files app of 
>> iOS 11 which they announced and which gives you easier access to files is 
>> still no laptop replacemenb.
>> But it of course all depends on what you do, if mostly it's consuming media, 
>> email, maybe Skype or Facetime and so on it might be OK. I use a lot of 
>> business applications which require Windows and there is just no way any iOS 
>> or Android tablet at this point could replace a Windows laptop for me.
>> I bought a very nice laptop with a touch screen last fall and end up never 
>> using the touch screen because when it comes to Windows I am just so used to 
>> doing everything with the keyboard.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> had have a 5.5 inch screen
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Mário Navarro
>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:41 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi sieghard
>> I always liked to use iPad to have a larger screen, and for all their
>> characteristics:
>> Especially with the new iPad pro.
>> I like to feel use an iPad as a laptop...
>> I like to be able to take with me total peace of mind for anywhere.
>>   and be able to do almost with satisfaction.
>> I like big screens.
>> 
>> I 'm tired of using small screens in all the iPhone  models.
>> I hope that the iPhone 8 will bring us a screen of 5.5, or 5.8.
>> 
>> The perfect screen for iPhones, for me would be to 5.5, or 5.8.
>> 
>> Despite being blind, I really like to  feel a big screen in front of me.
>> And because I have more people to live with me in the house,  I want They 
>> have fun...
>> I got my iPhone 7 for sale to buy the 8, but only if he bring a screen of 
>> 5.5 or 5.8.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> 
>> Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
>>> Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how 
>>> to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know 
>>> how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the 
>>> bag. Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or 
>>> beginning of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 
>>> public beta and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad 
>>> if you don't like it.
>>> Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Greg Wocher
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I am

Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Mário Navarro]

Hi siegards,
Yes you are right.
I think the same way.

That's why I ask your opinion.
For us, blind, the most important thing is really a good battery power, 
VO at its best without a lot of bugs, great_accessibility and a síri 
much more sophisticated.


Yes síri still has a lot to learn from Google...
Yes, I agree Apple had the duty to do more and better  with síri...
Anyway, I just ask a new iPhone with a big screen, a powerful battery, 
and with technology of top...

thank you.
cheers.


Às 16:35 de 16/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Hi Mario,

To be honest, as a blind user I couldn't care less about Promotion or OLED 
displays except for the fact that these may result in better battery life in 
which case I am all for it. Don't get hung up on a feature which will probably 
benefit you very little if at all.
I wish instead of Promotion Apple would have announced this amazing leep forward with SIRI and 
because of said leep SIRI is now better than Amazon Alexa, Microsoft Cortana and Google Assistant 
combined and it's going to take all three companies 3 years to catch up... Well, I can dream, can't 
I? Instead SIRI gets a new voice. Yes, it's a nicer voice, but really? Who cares how SIRI tells you 
"Sorry, I can't do this" or "I found some results on the web about your 
request".
The lack of SIRI advancement just about offsets all the other things which were 
announced.
The other day I received a text message, actually an iMessage, and I used SIRI saying 
something like "Reply I just sent you an email, please check it and get back to 
me".
Next thing I know SIRI asked to whom I wanted to send the email to. I said "Reply" at the 
beginning to trigger a reply to the text message that had just arrived, but because I mentioned 
"email" in the text of the message stupid SIRI thought I wanted to send an email. Give me 
a break.
A couple of weeks ago I asked SIRI "When is the Calgary Stampede in 2017". For those who don't know, the 
Calgary Stampede is the biggest rodeo and outdoor show in the world with over 1 Million visitors. SIRI answered by 
telling me the date of the next "Calgary Stampeders" game, I think that is Calgary's football team. I then 
opened the Google Search app, said "OK Google" and asked the same question phrased the exact same way and 
Google replied "According to Global News the Calgary Stampede runs from July 7 to the 16th".
When I just tried it again SIRI answered "OK, I found something on the web for When 
is the Calgary Stampede in 2017, take a look".
Anyhow, we all can go on an on about how incredibly stupid SIRI can be when it 
comes to asking such questions, but apparently Apple doesn't think the smart 
assistant they invented needs to become smarter or maybe now that SIRI is 6 
years old it is incapable of learning anything else so they instead they do 
some plastic surgery to make her sound younger. Sounds like an aging actress 
who thinks getting a face lift will revive her once promising career.


Regards,
Siegards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Navarro
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 2:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.



Thank you sieghard
Promotion scrolling, this was my fear with VO.
Sieghard, What you think.
   apple is going to adopt this new technology in  the new iPhones?

There is much talk in OLED, but instead, we can get the promotion?
Or we can have a fusion of OLED with promotion?


What do you think of this?
Thanks.
Cheers.


Às 04:03 de 16/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Hi Mario,

Agreed, I doubt it will make much if any difference for a Voiceover user except 
that if it indeed results in better battery life we of course also benefit from 
that. Here a bit more along the lines of what Daniel already pointed out in the 
form of an article from iMore:

Apple's new adaptive screen refresh technology is going to change how
we look at devices If I had to pick the WWDC announcement that made my week, it'd have to 
be Apple's newest display technology, ProMotion. Essentially, it makes the new iPad Pro 
feel faster without compromising on battery life. But simply saying "faster" 
doesn't do justice to how ProMotion is going to not only improve the iPad Pro experience 
— or the experience of Apple's other computing platforms in the future.
Here's everything you ever wanted to know about ProMotion — and then
some. (Because I can't help but geek out about display technology.)

Apple describes it as such:
A new [display] technology that delivers refresh rates of up to 120Hz for fluid 
scrolling, greater responsiveness and smoother motion content. With ProMotion, 
Apple Pencil is even more responsive with an industry-best, 20-millisecond 
latency for even more fluid and natural drawing. ProMotion also improve

RE: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mario,

To be honest, as a blind user I couldn't care less about Promotion or OLED 
displays except for the fact that these may result in better battery life in 
which case I am all for it. Don't get hung up on a feature which will probably 
benefit you very little if at all.
I wish instead of Promotion Apple would have announced this amazing leep 
forward with SIRI and because of said leep SIRI is now better than Amazon 
Alexa, Microsoft Cortana and Google Assistant combined and it's going to take 
all three companies 3 years to catch up... Well, I can dream, can't I? Instead 
SIRI gets a new voice. Yes, it's a nicer voice, but really? Who cares how SIRI 
tells you "Sorry, I can't do this" or "I found some results on the web about 
your request".
The lack of SIRI advancement just about offsets all the other things which were 
announced.
The other day I received a text message, actually an iMessage, and I used SIRI 
saying something like "Reply I just sent you an email, please check it and get 
back to me".
Next thing I know SIRI asked to whom I wanted to send the email to. I said 
"Reply" at the beginning to trigger a reply to the text message that had just 
arrived, but because I mentioned "email" in the text of the message stupid SIRI 
thought I wanted to send an email. Give me a break.
A couple of weeks ago I asked SIRI "When is the Calgary Stampede in 2017". For 
those who don't know, the Calgary Stampede is the biggest rodeo and outdoor 
show in the world with over 1 Million visitors. SIRI answered by telling me the 
date of the next "Calgary Stampeders" game, I think that is Calgary's football 
team. I then opened the Google Search app, said "OK Google" and asked the same 
question phrased the exact same way and Google replied "According to Global 
News the Calgary Stampede runs from July 7 to the 16th".
When I just tried it again SIRI answered "OK, I found something on the web for 
When is the Calgary Stampede in 2017, take a look".
Anyhow, we all can go on an on about how incredibly stupid SIRI can be when it 
comes to asking such questions, but apparently Apple doesn't think the smart 
assistant they invented needs to become smarter or maybe now that SIRI is 6 
years old it is incapable of learning anything else so they instead they do 
some plastic surgery to make her sound younger. Sounds like an aging actress 
who thinks getting a face lift will revive her once promising career.


Regards,
Siegards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Navarro
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 2:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.



Thank you sieghard
Promotion scrolling, this was my fear with VO.
Sieghard, What you think.
  apple is going to adopt this new technology in  the new iPhones?

There is much talk in OLED, but instead, we can get the promotion?
Or we can have a fusion of OLED with promotion?


What do you think of this?
Thanks.
Cheers.


Às 04:03 de 16/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
> Hi Mario,
>
> Agreed, I doubt it will make much if any difference for a Voiceover user 
> except that if it indeed results in better battery life we of course also 
> benefit from that. Here a bit more along the lines of what Daniel already 
> pointed out in the form of an article from iMore:
>
> Apple's new adaptive screen refresh technology is going to change how 
> we look at devices If I had to pick the WWDC announcement that made my week, 
> it'd have to be Apple's newest display technology, ProMotion. Essentially, it 
> makes the new iPad Pro feel faster without compromising on battery life. But 
> simply saying "faster" doesn't do justice to how ProMotion is going to not 
> only improve the iPad Pro experience — or the experience of Apple's other 
> computing platforms in the future.
> Here's everything you ever wanted to know about ProMotion — and then 
> some. (Because I can't help but geek out about display technology.)
>
> Apple describes it as such:
> A new [display] technology that delivers refresh rates of up to 120Hz for 
> fluid scrolling, greater responsiveness and smoother motion content. With 
> ProMotion, Apple Pencil is even more responsive with an industry-best, 
> 20-millisecond latency for even more fluid and natural drawing. ProMotion 
> also improves display quality and reduces power consumption by automatically 
> adjusting the display refresh rate to match the movement of the content.
>
> In English: ProMotion makes your scrolling look smoother, text crisper, and 
> drawing virtually lag-free. And it does it all while saving battery life and 
> keeping your video from looking like a bad HDTV set.
>
> Is ProMotion hardware or software?
> It's a 

Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Mário Navarro]

Thank you sieghard
Promotion scrolling, this was my fear with VO.
Sieghard, What you think.
 apple is going to adopt this new technology in  the new iPhones?

There is much talk in OLED, but instead, we can get the promotion?
Or we can have a fusion of OLED with promotion?


What do you think of this?
Thanks.
Cheers.


Às 04:03 de 16/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Hi Mario,

Agreed, I doubt it will make much if any difference for a Voiceover user except 
that if it indeed results in better battery life we of course also benefit from 
that. Here a bit more along the lines of what Daniel already pointed out in the 
form of an article from iMore:

Apple's new adaptive screen refresh technology is going to change how we look 
at devices
If I had to pick the WWDC announcement that made my week, it'd have to be Apple's newest 
display technology, ProMotion. Essentially, it makes the new iPad Pro feel faster without 
compromising on battery life. But simply saying "faster" doesn't do justice to 
how ProMotion is going to not only improve the iPad Pro experience — or the experience of 
Apple's other computing platforms in the future.
Here's everything you ever wanted to know about ProMotion — and then some. 
(Because I can't help but geek out about display technology.)

Apple describes it as such:
A new [display] technology that delivers refresh rates of up to 120Hz for fluid 
scrolling, greater responsiveness and smoother motion content. With ProMotion, 
Apple Pencil is even more responsive with an industry-best, 20-millisecond 
latency for even more fluid and natural drawing. ProMotion also improves 
display quality and reduces power consumption by automatically adjusting the 
display refresh rate to match the movement of the content.

In English: ProMotion makes your scrolling look smoother, text crisper, and 
drawing virtually lag-free. And it does it all while saving battery life and 
keeping your video from looking like a bad HDTV set.

Is ProMotion hardware or software?
It's a hardware component of Apple's new iPad Pro displays, though APIs in iOS 
help make it adaptive.

If you want to read more, check out the rest of the imore article: 
https://www.imore.com/promotion

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Navarro
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 7:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.



hi Daniel.

Oh, okay. Thank you for that.
cheers.


Às 23:02 de 15/06/2017, Daniel Miller escreveu:

Hi. No, ProMotion is a strictly visual adjustment. It will not affect voiceover 
users in the slightest. There's no need to even worry about it. All the 
technology does this tell the iPad went to refresh the screen based on what 
you're doing with it. It's mainly meant for the pencil, and video content.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:






And I had forgotten the most important and what the world demands.
The battery power.

I'm sick of having to charge the battery of the normal  iPhone screens to or 3 
times a day...
And I don't have to spend more money on an iPhone plus just to have more 
battery power...
cheers.


Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how to 
make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know how 
useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. Once 
the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning of July 
you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta and try it 
out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't like it.
Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Greg Wocher
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d

On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:




Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two things.

1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
screen?
2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are your thoughts.
thanks.
cheers.

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RE: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mario,

Agreed, I doubt it will make much if any difference for a Voiceover user except 
that if it indeed results in better battery life we of course also benefit from 
that. Here a bit more along the lines of what Daniel already pointed out in the 
form of an article from iMore:

Apple's new adaptive screen refresh technology is going to change how we look 
at devices
If I had to pick the WWDC announcement that made my week, it'd have to be 
Apple's newest display technology, ProMotion. Essentially, it makes the new 
iPad Pro feel faster without compromising on battery life. But simply saying 
"faster" doesn't do justice to how ProMotion is going to not only improve the 
iPad Pro experience — or the experience of Apple's other computing platforms in 
the future.
Here's everything you ever wanted to know about ProMotion — and then some. 
(Because I can't help but geek out about display technology.)

Apple describes it as such:
A new [display] technology that delivers refresh rates of up to 120Hz for fluid 
scrolling, greater responsiveness and smoother motion content. With ProMotion, 
Apple Pencil is even more responsive with an industry-best, 20-millisecond 
latency for even more fluid and natural drawing. ProMotion also improves 
display quality and reduces power consumption by automatically adjusting the 
display refresh rate to match the movement of the content.

In English: ProMotion makes your scrolling look smoother, text crisper, and 
drawing virtually lag-free. And it does it all while saving battery life and 
keeping your video from looking like a bad HDTV set.

Is ProMotion hardware or software?
It's a hardware component of Apple's new iPad Pro displays, though APIs in iOS 
help make it adaptive.

If you want to read more, check out the rest of the imore article: 
https://www.imore.com/promotion

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Navarro
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 7:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.



hi Daniel.

Oh, okay. Thank you for that.
cheers.


Às 23:02 de 15/06/2017, Daniel Miller escreveu:
> Hi. No, ProMotion is a strictly visual adjustment. It will not affect 
> voiceover users in the slightest. There's no need to even worry about it. All 
> the technology does this tell the iPad went to refresh the screen based on 
> what you're doing with it. It's mainly meant for the pencil, and video 
> content.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And I had forgotten the most important and what the world demands.
>> The battery power.
>>
>> I'm sick of having to charge the battery of the normal  iPhone screens to or 
>> 3 times a day...
>> And I don't have to spend more money on an iPhone plus just to have more 
>> battery power...
>> cheers.
>>
>>
>> Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
>>> Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how 
>>> to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know 
>>> how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the 
>>> bag. Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or 
>>> beginning of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 
>>> public beta and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad 
>>> if you don't like it.
>>> Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Greg Wocher
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
>>> iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It 
>>> is a technical limitation of the technology.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> d
>>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
>>>> things.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
>>>> screen?
>>>> 2. Does this new scree

Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Mário Navarro]

hi Daniel.

Oh, okay. Thank you for that.
cheers.


Às 23:02 de 15/06/2017, Daniel Miller escreveu:

Hi. No, ProMotion is a strictly visual adjustment. It will not affect voiceover 
users in the slightest. There's no need to even worry about it. All the 
technology does this tell the iPad went to refresh the screen based on what 
you're doing with it. It's mainly meant for the pencil, and video content.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:






And I had forgotten the most important and what the world demands.
The battery power.

I'm sick of having to charge the battery of the normal  iPhone screens to or 3 
times a day...
And I don't have to spend more money on an iPhone plus just to have more 
battery power...
cheers.


Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how to 
make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know how 
useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. Once 
the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning of July 
you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta and try it 
out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't like it.
Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Greg Wocher
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d

On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:




Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two things.

1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
screen?
2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are your thoughts.
thanks.
cheers.

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Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how to 
make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know how 
useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. Once 
the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning of July 
you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta and try it 
out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't like it.
Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Greg Wocher
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d

On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:




Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two things.

1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
screen?
2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are y

Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Mário Navarro]

Sieghard
- that's what we all hope. An iPhone 8 with all the new technologies of top.

If it is not this time, I and millions of people will be very 
disappointed and even perhaps will leave Apple...

And Samsung will sell galaxy S8 more and more like water...

Apple has to come with all in this iPhone 8.
a big screen with  powerfull battery and the best technology of top.
That is what we all want and hope...
I hope more RAM with 4GB and of course a new processor Apple 11.
The rest we all know what the world wants in the iPhone 8.
thanks Sieghard

cheers.


Às 01:24 de 16/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

The Plus models already have a 5.5 inch screen and have had it since the iPhone 
6 Plus.
There are rumours that there will be a new high-end iPhone in the fall with a 
5.8 inch screen which may not actually be physically be larger as it would have 
narrower or no bezel around the screen, but it sounds as if it will also be an 
even more expensive phone as the Plus models already are due to the fact that 
it may have all the latest technologies like OLED screen, wireless charging 
etc. I guess we'll see.

I guess your reasons are all valid, definitely I can see how sighted people 
enjoy the larger screens. For me even the new iPad Pro with the Files app of 
iOS 11 which they announced and which gives you easier access to files is still 
no laptop replacemenb.
But it of course all depends on what you do, if mostly it's consuming media, 
email, maybe Skype or Facetime and so on it might be OK. I use a lot of 
business applications which require Windows and there is just no way any iOS or 
Android tablet at this point could replace a Windows laptop for me.
I bought a very nice laptop with a touch screen last fall and end up never 
using the touch screen because when it comes to Windows I am just so used to 
doing everything with the keyboard.


Regards,
Sieghard

had have a 5.5 inch screen

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Navarro
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.



Hi sieghard
I always liked to use iPad to have a larger screen, and for all their
characteristics:
Especially with the new iPad pro.
I like to feel use an iPad as a laptop...
I like to be able to take with me total peace of mind for anywhere.
   and be able to do almost with satisfaction.
I like big screens.

I 'm tired of using small screens in all the iPhone  models.
I hope that the iPhone 8 will bring us a screen of 5.5, or 5.8.

The perfect screen for iPhones, for me would be to 5.5, or 5.8.

Despite being blind, I really like to  feel a big screen in front of me.
And because I have more people to live with me in the house,  I want They have 
fun...
I got my iPhone 7 for sale to buy the 8, but only if he bring a screen of 5.5 
or 5.8.

Thanks.
Cheers.


Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how to 
make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know how 
useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. Once 
the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning of July 
you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta and try it 
out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't like it.
Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Greg Wocher
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d

On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:




Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two things.

1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
screen?
2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are your thoughts.
thanks.
cheers.

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RE: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Richard Turner]

The only place I could ever imagine using a touch screen for a Windows machine 
is if it was the Surface Pro and I'm not convinced that would ever truly 
replace a really good laptop.
And, as a totally blind person, I don't personally want an iPad.  Maybe, if 
someone gave me one, an iPad Mini for the extra battery life, but I find the 
extra screen size more annoying than useful.

Richard


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 5:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

The Plus models already have a 5.5 inch screen and have had it since the iPhone 
6 Plus.
There are rumours that there will be a new high-end iPhone in the fall with a 
5.8 inch screen which may not actually be physically be larger as it would have 
narrower or no bezel around the screen, but it sounds as if it will also be an 
even more expensive phone as the Plus models already are due to the fact that 
it may have all the latest technologies like OLED screen, wireless charging 
etc. I guess we'll see.

I guess your reasons are all valid, definitely I can see how sighted people 
enjoy the larger screens. For me even the new iPad Pro with the Files app of 
iOS 11 which they announced and which gives you easier access to files is still 
no laptop replacemenb.
But it of course all depends on what you do, if mostly it's consuming media, 
email, maybe Skype or Facetime and so on it might be OK. I use a lot of 
business applications which require Windows and there is just no way any iOS or 
Android tablet at this point could replace a Windows laptop for me.
I bought a very nice laptop with a touch screen last fall and end up never 
using the touch screen because when it comes to Windows I am just so used to 
doing everything with the keyboard.


Regards,
Sieghard

had have a 5.5 inch screen 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Navarro
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.



Hi sieghard
I always liked to use iPad to have a larger screen, and for all their
characteristics:
Especially with the new iPad pro.
I like to feel use an iPad as a laptop...
I like to be able to take with me total peace of mind for anywhere.
  and be able to do almost with satisfaction.
I like big screens.

I 'm tired of using small screens in all the iPhone  models.
I hope that the iPhone 8 will bring us a screen of 5.5, or 5.8.

The perfect screen for iPhones, for me would be to 5.5, or 5.8.

Despite being blind, I really like to  feel a big screen in front of me.
And because I have more people to live with me in the house,  I want They have 
fun...
I got my iPhone 7 for sale to buy the 8, but only if he bring a screen of 5.5 
or 5.8.

Thanks.
Cheers.


Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
> Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how 
> to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know 
> how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. 
> Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning 
> of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta 
> and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't 
> like it.
> Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Greg Wocher
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
>
> Hello,
> I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
> iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is 
> a technical limitation of the technology.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Wocher
> d
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
>> things.
>>
>> 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
>> screen?
>> 2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
>> I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read 
>> is that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
>> Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
>> Please, what are your thoughts.
>> thanks.
>> cheers.
>>
>> --
>> The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.
>>
>> If you ha

RE: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The Plus models already have a 5.5 inch screen and have had it since the iPhone 
6 Plus.
There are rumours that there will be a new high-end iPhone in the fall with a 
5.8 inch screen which may not actually be physically be larger as it would have 
narrower or no bezel around the screen, but it sounds as if it will also be an 
even more expensive phone as the Plus models already are due to the fact that 
it may have all the latest technologies like OLED screen, wireless charging 
etc. I guess we'll see.

I guess your reasons are all valid, definitely I can see how sighted people 
enjoy the larger screens. For me even the new iPad Pro with the Files app of 
iOS 11 which they announced and which gives you easier access to files is still 
no laptop replacemenb.
But it of course all depends on what you do, if mostly it's consuming media, 
email, maybe Skype or Facetime and so on it might be OK. I use a lot of 
business applications which require Windows and there is just no way any iOS or 
Android tablet at this point could replace a Windows laptop for me.
I bought a very nice laptop with a touch screen last fall and end up never 
using the touch screen because when it comes to Windows I am just so used to 
doing everything with the keyboard.


Regards,
Sieghard

had have a 5.5 inch screen 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Navarro
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.



Hi sieghard
I always liked to use iPad to have a larger screen, and for all their
characteristics:
Especially with the new iPad pro.
I like to feel use an iPad as a laptop...
I like to be able to take with me total peace of mind for anywhere.
  and be able to do almost with satisfaction.
I like big screens.

I 'm tired of using small screens in all the iPhone  models.
I hope that the iPhone 8 will bring us a screen of 5.5, or 5.8.

The perfect screen for iPhones, for me would be to 5.5, or 5.8.

Despite being blind, I really like to  feel a big screen in front of me.
And because I have more people to live with me in the house,  I want They have 
fun...
I got my iPhone 7 for sale to buy the 8, but only if he bring a screen of 5.5 
or 5.8.

Thanks.
Cheers.


Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
> Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how 
> to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know 
> how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. 
> Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning 
> of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta 
> and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't 
> like it.
> Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Greg Wocher
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
>
> Hello,
> I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
> iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is 
> a technical limitation of the technology.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Wocher
> d
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
>> things.
>>
>> 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
>> screen?
>> 2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
>> I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read 
>> is that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
>> Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
>> Please, what are your thoughts.
>> thanks.
>> cheers.
>>
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Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Daniel Miller]

Hi. No, ProMotion is a strictly visual adjustment. It will not affect voiceover 
users in the slightest. There's no need to even worry about it. All the 
technology does this tell the iPad went to refresh the screen based on what 
you're doing with it. It's mainly meant for the pencil, and video content.

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Jun 15, 2017, at 5:16 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> And I had forgotten the most important and what the world demands.
> The battery power.
> 
> I'm sick of having to charge the battery of the normal  iPhone screens to or 
> 3 times a day...
> And I don't have to spend more money on an iPhone plus just to have more 
> battery power...
> cheers.
> 
> 
> Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
>> Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how 
>> to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know 
>> how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. 
>> Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning 
>> of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta 
>> and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't 
>> like it.
>> Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Greg Wocher
>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
>> iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It 
>> is a technical limitation of the technology.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Greg Wocher
>> d
>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
>>> things.
>>> 
>>> 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
>>> screen?
>>> 2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
>>> I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read 
>>> is that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
>>> Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
>>> Please, what are your thoughts.
>>> thanks.
>>> cheers.
>>> 
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> Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
>> Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how 
>> to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know 
>> how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. 
>> Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning 
>> of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta 
>> and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't 
>> like it.
>> Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 

Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Mário Navarro]

And I had forgotten the most important and what the world demands.
The battery power.

I'm sick of having to charge the battery of the normal  iPhone screens 
to or 3 times a day...
And I don't have to spend more money on an iPhone plus just to have more 
battery power...

cheers.


Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how to 
make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know how 
useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. Once 
the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning of July 
you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta and try it 
out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't like it.
Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Greg Wocher
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d

On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:




Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two things.

1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
screen?
2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are your thoughts.
thanks.
cheers.

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Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how to 
make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know how 
useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. Once 
the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning of July 
you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta and try it 
out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't like it.
Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Greg Wocher
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d

On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:




Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two things.

1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
screen?
2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are your thoughts.
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Mário Navarro]

Hi,
I hope so, That  everything works well.

thanks.

cheers.


Às 20:06 de 15/06/2017, Wayne Merritt escreveu:

Since we are still in the beta period, there's no way to know how well
VoiceOver will work with the new Promotion way of moving multiple
items on screen. Unless that is you get the public beta, or wait until
iOS 11 is released in September. Outside of those things, anyone using
the developer betas cannot comment. Personally, I was amazed at how
well moving apps became when iOS 10 was released last year, taking the
concepts to a different level than we had in iOS 9 and earlier. So, I
have no doubt that Apple will make Promotion work as well.

Jmt,
Wayne

On 6/15/17, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:

Based on what I have read, certainly have no personal experience, it seems
like this promotion thing is something that's automatically going to happen,
that is, adjustment behind the scenes, not something the user will do. So
why wouldn't have an effect on VoiceOver? I guess time will tell, but I
would be shocked if it made any difference at all to blind voiceover users.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out
how to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't
know how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of
the bag. Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June
or beginning of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS
11 public beta and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the
iPad if you don't like it.
Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Greg Wocher
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no
the iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to
big. It is a technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d

On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:




Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two
things.

1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad
screen?
2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I
read is that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are your thoughts.
thanks.
cheers.

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RE: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Mike Ulrich]

I always thought an IPhone with the smallest of screen would be great for me. 
Easier to carry, particularly in my front pocket of pants, jeans or shorts.No 
need for a bigger screen to see the icons, or read pages ETC.
But the one big thing I've noticed on my 128 gig SE, is that whenever I have to 
use the 4 finger single tap on the bottom of the screen; to get down to the 
bottom of a page, I'm just about always hitting the side, thus only enacting a 
three finger single tap!

Oh well's, you just gotta take da Good wit da Bad I spose?
I still like a smaller screen IPhone.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Navarro
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.



Hi sieghard
I always liked to use iPad to have a larger screen, and for all their
characteristics:
Especially with the new iPad pro.
I like to feel use an iPad as a laptop...
I like to be able to take with me total peace of mind for anywhere.
  and be able to do almost with satisfaction.
I like big screens.

I 'm tired of using small screens in all the iPhone  models.
I hope that the iPhone 8 will bring us a screen of 5.5, or 5.8.

The perfect screen for iPhones, for me would be to 5.5, or 5.8.

Despite being blind, I really like to  feel a big screen in front of me.
And because I have more people to live with me in the house,  I want They have 
fun...
I got my iPhone 7 for sale to buy the 8, but only if he bring a screen of 5.5 
or 5.8.

Thanks.
Cheers.


Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:
> Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how 
> to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know 
> how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. 
> Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning 
> of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta 
> and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't 
> like it.
> Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Greg Wocher
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
>
> Hello,
> I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
> iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is 
> a technical limitation of the technology.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Wocher
> d
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
>> things.
>>
>> 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
>> screen?
>> 2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
>> I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read 
>> is that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
>> Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
>> Please, what are your thoughts.
>> thanks.
>> cheers.
>>
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Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Mário Navarro]

Hi sieghard
I always liked to use iPad to have a larger screen, and for all their 
characteristics:

Especially with the new iPad pro.
I like to feel use an iPad as a laptop...
I like to be able to take with me total peace of mind for anywhere.
 and be able to do almost with satisfaction.
I like big screens.

I 'm tired of using small screens in all the iPhone  models.
I hope that the iPhone 8 will bring us a screen of 5.5, or 5.8.

The perfect screen for iPhones, for me would be to 5.5, or 5.8.

Despite being blind, I really like to  feel a big screen in front of me.
And because I have more people to live with me in the house,  I want 
They have fun...
I got my iPhone 7 for sale to buy the 8, but only if he bring a screen 
of 5.5 or 5.8.


Thanks.
Cheers.


Às 19:17 de 15/06/2017, Sieghard Weitzel escreveu:

Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how to 
make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know how 
useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. Once 
the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning of July 
you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta and try it 
out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't like it.
Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Greg Wocher
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d

On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:




Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two things.

1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
screen?
2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are your thoughts.
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Wayne Merritt]

Since we are still in the beta period, there's no way to know how well
VoiceOver will work with the new Promotion way of moving multiple
items on screen. Unless that is you get the public beta, or wait until
iOS 11 is released in September. Outside of those things, anyone using
the developer betas cannot comment. Personally, I was amazed at how
well moving apps became when iOS 10 was released last year, taking the
concepts to a different level than we had in iOS 9 and earlier. So, I
have no doubt that Apple will make Promotion work as well.

Jmt,
Wayne

On 6/15/17, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Based on what I have read, certainly have no personal experience, it seems
> like this promotion thing is something that's automatically going to happen,
> that is, adjustment behind the scenes, not something the user will do. So
> why wouldn't have an effect on VoiceOver? I guess time will tell, but I
> would be shocked if it made any difference at all to blind voiceover users.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out
>> how to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't
>> know how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of
>> the bag. Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June
>> or beginning of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS
>> 11 public beta and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the
>> iPad if you don't like it.
>> Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Greg Wocher
>> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
>>
>> Hello,
>> I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no
>> the iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to
>> big. It is a technical limitation of the technology.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Greg Wocher
>> d
>>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two
>>> things.
>>>
>>> 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad
>>> screen?
>>> 2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
>>> I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I
>>> read is that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
>>> Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
>>> Please, what are your thoughts.
>>> thanks.
>>> cheers.
>>>
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Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Billy Maynard]

hi,

what does this promotion thing do for hte iPad?  I also have thought about 
getting one  but, this is the first time I've heard of this feature and no 
idea  what it does or is  supposed to do if it's a feature apple is 
introducing in  os 11.


Any info would be appreciated.  I am also gonna see what I can find on my 
own.

Billy Maynard
- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" <motte...@gmail.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.


Based on what I have read, certainly have no personal experience, it seems 
like this promotion thing is something that's automatically going to happen, 
that is, adjustment behind the scenes, not something the user will do. So 
why wouldn't have an effect on VoiceOver? I guess time will tell, but I 
would be shocked if it made any difference at all to blind voiceover users.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out 
how to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't 
know how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of 
the bag. Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June 
or beginning of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 
11 public beta and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the 
iPad if you don't like it.

Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad?

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Greg Wocher

Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no 
the iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to 
big. It is a technical limitation of the technology.


Regards,
Greg Wocher
d

On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:




Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
things.


1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
screen?

2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I 
read is that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.

Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are your thoughts.
thanks.
cheers.

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Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Mary Otten]

Based on what I have read, certainly have no personal experience, it seems like 
this promotion thing is something that's automatically going to happen, that 
is, adjustment behind the scenes, not something the user will do. So why 
wouldn't have an effect on VoiceOver? I guess time will tell, but I would be 
shocked if it made any difference at all to blind voiceover users.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how 
> to make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know 
> how useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. 
> Once the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning 
> of July you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta 
> and try it out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't 
> like it.
> Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad? 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Greg Wocher
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 10:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.
> 
> Hello,
> I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
> iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is 
> a technical limitation of the technology.
> 
> Regards,
> Greg Wocher
> d
>> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
>> things.
>> 
>> 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
>> screen?
>> 2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
>> I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read 
>> is that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
>> Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
>> Please, what are your thoughts.
>> thanks.
>> cheers.
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Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Mário Navarro]

Hi, Greg. Thanks!
Let's see if someone  has this new iPad and can tell us something about 
VO and this new technology promotion screen.

I'm not gonna risk without knowing if VO works fine with promotion scrreen.
thanks.
cheers.




Às 18:50 de 15/06/2017, Greg Wocher escreveu:

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d

On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro  wrote:




Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two things.

1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
screen?
2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are your thoughts.
thanks.
cheers.

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RE: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Promotion is an iOS 11 feature and while I assume Apple will figure out how to 
make this accessible as much as it can be made accessible, we won't know how 
useful it is for visually impaired users until iOS 11 is out of the bag. Once 
the public beta for iOS 11 is available at the end of June or beginning of July 
you could always buy the iPad then, install the iOS 11 public beta and try it 
out. I believe you have 30 days to return the iPad if you don't like it.
Just out of curiocity, what is it that makes you want to buy an iPad? 

Regards,
Sieghard

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Greg Wocher
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Subject: Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro <mario@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
> things.
> 
> 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
> screen?
> 2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
> I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
> that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
> Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
> Please, what are your thoughts.
> thanks.
> cheers.
> 
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Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
> things.
> 
> 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
> screen?
> 2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
> I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
> that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
> Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
> Please, what are your thoughts.
> thanks.
> cheers.
> 
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Re: Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
I am not sure about your first question. As for the second question, no the 
iPad will not support 3d Touch. The reason is tat the screen is to big. It is a 
technical limitation of the technology.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
d
> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mário Navarro  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
> things.
> 
> 1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the iPad 
> screen?
> 2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
> I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I read is 
> that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.
> Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
> Please, what are your thoughts.
> thanks.
> cheers.
> 
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Doubts with the new iPad pro 10.5.

[Mário Navarro]

Hi

I'm thinking of buying the new iPad pro 10.5, but I'm in doubt with two 
things.


1. Is voice over compatible with the new ProMotion technology of the 
iPad screen?

2. Does this new screen support the new 3D force touch feature?
I did a google search about this feature in this new iPad, and what I 
read is that this new screen does not support 3D force touch.

Will this change with the coming of IOS 11?
Please, what are your thoughts.
thanks.
cheers.

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