Re: Editing part of my message

[Christopher J Chaltain]

Alex has a great post below. The only thing I would add, that might 
help, is that the cursor on the iPhone and the Mac is a vertical line 
that is placed between two characters. VO announces the character that 
the cursor jumps over. New characters are inserted where the cursor is 
located between the two characters. The delete key is a backspace key, 
so it deletes the cursor to the left of the vertical line representing 
the cursor, which is the character you just heard spoken when moving 
right to left.


In Windows, the cursor is a line that appears under a character. Your 
Windows screen reader reads the character above the line. If you hit the 
delete key, it'll delete that character and if you backspace, you're 
deleting the character to the left of that character. When you insert 
text, you're inserting it to the left of the character the cursor is under.


I'm not sure it'll help, but when I realized this is what was going on, 
it all made a lot more sense to me. I'd also suggest bringing up a note 
in the Notes app, and just practicing until you get the hang of it.


On 5/28/2014 8:28 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
Here's the thing: VoiceOver speaks the character you pass, whereas 
Windows screen readers always speak the character to the left of the 
cursor, I believe. Let's trace an example to make this clearer:


Say we have the word "iPhone" and, for whatever reason, we want to 
erase the "i" at the beginning of it. Change your rotor to characters, 
and flick up; you will be moved backward, character by character: i, 
n, o, h, capital p, i. VO tells you the character it passes, and 
because you are moving backward, it is being placed on the left of the 
characters is speaks. That is, if you hit delete once you reach the i, 
you will delete the space before the word; VO told you "i" as it 
passed the i, moving left, so the cursor is now between the space and 
the i. To erase that i, you'd either stop at the p, so the cursor is 
between it and the i, or you'd move right one character. In the latter 
case, VO will say "i" again as it once more passes the i, this time 
moving right. Since it spoke the i as it moved forward, you can be 
confident that deleting will take out the i; again, the cursor is now 
between the i and the p.


It is very hard to get used to this system if you use Windows screen 
readers, but the Mac is set up the same way. Honestly, I now find it 
much more sensible to do things this way, and Windows gets me all 
confused. Apple reports the true position of the cursor (which 
characters it is between) rather than always the character to one 
side. This is closer to the way the cursor looks visually, and it is a 
much easier way to track where you are. It takes getting used to, but 
you will eventually have an 'ah ha" moment and come to love this 
method. At least I did. :)
On May 28, 2014, at 8:20 AM, isaac > wrote:


Yes I am noticing that too. I don't think you can delete a space when 
using the rotor you have to delete the previous character before you 
can delete the space.

isaac
isaac.heb...@gmail.com 
Skype gold_wildcat

On May 26, 2014, at 10:12 PM, bhavesh dhanak 
 wrote:



hi frnds, i m facing difficulty in edditing:
sometimes it deletes the character which voice over speaks, sometimes
the previous 1.
Example:
i phone
now if i wonna remove space after i, and i go to p, then it deletes p,
sometimes space.
Pls guide me, and explain me how d edditing works...
Thx chears!

On 5/26/14, Penny Reeder  wrote:

Set your roter to characters (or words if it's a really long message)
and swipe through the message until you get to the part you want to
edit. Then, if you set the roter to words, change it to characters,
and continue swiping through the part you want to edit. Use the delete
key to delete what you don't want, or just insert the new text where
you want it by typing it in. Editing can take a long time! But, it's
possible.
Penny

On 5/26/14, Alex Hall  wrote:

The rotor is the key here, if you don't have a braille or bluetooth
keyboard. Rotate two fingers on the screen until you get to the 
increment
you want (lines, words, or characters) and then flick up to move 
back by
that increment, down to move forward. Probably the best way is to 
move by
line to the area, then by word or character to get exactly where 
you want

to
edit. Once done, double tap once or twice until VoiceOver says 
"insertion

point at end" and you're at the bottom, ready to type some more.
On May 25, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Cornelius  wrote:

Hi all, I am typing quite a long message on my phone, and I need 
to go

to
a certain part to edit back what i've type.
How do I do that?

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Re: Editing part of my message

[Alex Hall]

Here's the thing: VoiceOver speaks the character you pass, whereas Windows 
screen readers always speak the character to the left of the cursor, I believe. 
Let's trace an example to make this clearer:

Say we have the word "iPhone" and, for whatever reason, we want to erase the 
"i" at the beginning of it. Change your rotor to characters, and flick up; you 
will be moved backward, character by character: i, n, o, h, capital p, i. VO 
tells you the character it passes, and because you are moving backward, it is 
being placed on the left of the characters is speaks. That is, if you hit 
delete once you reach the i, you will delete the space before the word; VO told 
you "i" as it passed the i, moving left, so the cursor is now between the space 
and the i. To erase that i, you'd either stop at the p, so the cursor is 
between it and the i, or you'd move right one character. In the latter case, VO 
will say "i" again as it once more passes the i, this time moving right. Since 
it spoke the i as it moved forward, you can be confident that deleting will 
take out the i; again, the cursor is now between the i and the p.

It is very hard to get used to this system if you use Windows screen readers, 
but the Mac is set up the same way. Honestly, I now find it much more sensible 
to do things this way, and Windows gets me all confused. Apple reports the true 
position of the cursor (which characters it is between) rather than always the 
character to one side. This is closer to the way the cursor looks visually, and 
it is a much easier way to track where you are. It takes getting used to, but 
you will eventually have an 'ah ha" moment and come to love this method. At 
least I did. :)
On May 28, 2014, at 8:20 AM, isaac  wrote:

> Yes I am noticing that too. I don't think you can delete a space when using 
> the rotor you have to delete the previous character before you can delete the 
> space.
> isaac
> isaac.heb...@gmail.com
> Skype gold_wildcat 
> 
> On May 26, 2014, at 10:12 PM, bhavesh dhanak  wrote:
> 
>> hi frnds, i m facing difficulty in edditing:
>> sometimes it deletes the character which voice over speaks, sometimes
>> the previous 1.
>> Example:
>> i phone
>> now if i wonna remove space after i, and i go to p, then it deletes p,
>> sometimes space.
>> Pls guide me, and explain me how d edditing works...
>> Thx chears!
>> 
>> On 5/26/14, Penny Reeder  wrote:
>>> Set your roter to characters (or words if it's a really long message)
>>> and swipe through the message until you get to the part you want to
>>> edit. Then, if you set the roter to words, change it to characters,
>>> and continue swiping through the part you want to edit. Use the delete
>>> key to delete what you don't want, or just insert the new text where
>>> you want it by typing it in. Editing can take a long time! But, it's
>>> possible.
>>> Penny
>>> 
>>> On 5/26/14, Alex Hall  wrote:
 The rotor is the key here, if you don't have a braille or bluetooth
 keyboard. Rotate two fingers on the screen until you get to the increment
 you want (lines, words, or characters) and then flick up to move back by
 that increment, down to move forward. Probably the best way is to move by
 line to the area, then by word or character to get exactly where you want
 to
 edit. Once done, double tap once or twice until VoiceOver says "insertion
 point at end" and you're at the bottom, ready to type some more.
 On May 25, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Cornelius  wrote:
 
> Hi all, I am typing quite a long message on my phone, and I need to go
> to
> a certain part to edit back what i've type.
> How do I do that?
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Re: Editing part of my message

[isaac]

Yes I am noticing that too. I don't think you can delete a space when using the 
rotor you have to delete the previous character before you can delete the space.
isaac
isaac.heb...@gmail.com
 Skype gold_wildcat 

On May 26, 2014, at 10:12 PM, bhavesh dhanak  wrote:

> hi frnds, i m facing difficulty in edditing:
> sometimes it deletes the character which voice over speaks, sometimes
> the previous 1.
> Example:
> i phone
> now if i wonna remove space after i, and i go to p, then it deletes p,
> sometimes space.
> Pls guide me, and explain me how d edditing works...
> Thx chears!
> 
> On 5/26/14, Penny Reeder  wrote:
>> Set your roter to characters (or words if it's a really long message)
>> and swipe through the message until you get to the part you want to
>> edit. Then, if you set the roter to words, change it to characters,
>> and continue swiping through the part you want to edit. Use the delete
>> key to delete what you don't want, or just insert the new text where
>> you want it by typing it in. Editing can take a long time! But, it's
>> possible.
>> Penny
>> 
>> On 5/26/14, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> The rotor is the key here, if you don't have a braille or bluetooth
>>> keyboard. Rotate two fingers on the screen until you get to the increment
>>> you want (lines, words, or characters) and then flick up to move back by
>>> that increment, down to move forward. Probably the best way is to move by
>>> line to the area, then by word or character to get exactly where you want
>>> to
>>> edit. Once done, double tap once or twice until VoiceOver says "insertion
>>> point at end" and you're at the bottom, ready to type some more.
>>> On May 25, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Cornelius  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all, I am typing quite a long message on my phone, and I need to go
 to
 a certain part to edit back what i've type.
 How do I do that?
 
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Re: Editing part of my message

[bhavesh dhanak]

hi frnds, i m facing difficulty in edditing:
sometimes it deletes the character which voice over speaks, sometimes
the previous 1.
Example:
i phone
now if i wonna remove space after i, and i go to p, then it deletes p,
sometimes space.
 Pls guide me, and explain me how d edditing works...
Thx chears!

On 5/26/14, Penny Reeder  wrote:
> Set your roter to characters (or words if it's a really long message)
> and swipe through the message until you get to the part you want to
> edit. Then, if you set the roter to words, change it to characters,
> and continue swiping through the part you want to edit. Use the delete
> key to delete what you don't want, or just insert the new text where
> you want it by typing it in. Editing can take a long time! But, it's
> possible.
> Penny
>
> On 5/26/14, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> The rotor is the key here, if you don't have a braille or bluetooth
>> keyboard. Rotate two fingers on the screen until you get to the increment
>> you want (lines, words, or characters) and then flick up to move back by
>> that increment, down to move forward. Probably the best way is to move by
>> line to the area, then by word or character to get exactly where you want
>> to
>> edit. Once done, double tap once or twice until VoiceOver says "insertion
>> point at end" and you're at the bottom, ready to type some more.
>> On May 25, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Cornelius  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I am typing quite a long message on my phone, and I need to go
>>> to
>>> a certain part to edit back what i've type.
>>> How do I do that?
>>>
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Re: Editing part of my message

[Penny Reeder]

Set your roter to characters (or words if it's a really long message)
and swipe through the message until you get to the part you want to
edit. Then, if you set the roter to words, change it to characters,
and continue swiping through the part you want to edit. Use the delete
key to delete what you don't want, or just insert the new text where
you want it by typing it in. Editing can take a long time! But, it's
possible.
Penny

On 5/26/14, Alex Hall  wrote:
> The rotor is the key here, if you don't have a braille or bluetooth
> keyboard. Rotate two fingers on the screen until you get to the increment
> you want (lines, words, or characters) and then flick up to move back by
> that increment, down to move forward. Probably the best way is to move by
> line to the area, then by word or character to get exactly where you want to
> edit. Once done, double tap once or twice until VoiceOver says "insertion
> point at end" and you're at the bottom, ready to type some more.
> On May 25, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Cornelius  wrote:
>
>> Hi all, I am typing quite a long message on my phone, and I need to go to
>> a certain part to edit back what i've type.
>> How do I do that?
>>
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Re: Editing part of my message

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The rotor is the key here, if you don't have a braille or bluetooth keyboard. 
Rotate two fingers on the screen until you get to the increment you want 
(lines, words, or characters) and then flick up to move back by that increment, 
down to move forward. Probably the best way is to move by line to the area, 
then by word or character to get exactly where you want to edit. Once done, 
double tap once or twice until VoiceOver says "insertion point at end" and 
you're at the bottom, ready to type some more.
On May 25, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Cornelius  wrote:

> Hi all, I am typing quite a long message on my phone, and I need to go to a 
> certain part to edit back what i've type.
> How do I do that?
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Editing part of my message

[Cornelius]

Hi all, I am typing quite a long message on my phone, and I need to go to a 
certain part to edit back what i‘ve type. 
How do I do that? 

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