Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
Hi Reggie, While Motion X has a walking mode, I haven't tested it. My understanding from listening to Mike Arrigo's podcast which included a review of Motion X is that intersections are not always, or perhaps even, generally announced prior to your reaching them. With BlindSquare, whether you are riding or walking, intersections are announced, at least during my initial testing of this app. I often go to my former office and BlindSquare announces the address of my office building as I approach it,probably within 10 to 20 feet, so I'm quite pleased with this. I will try Motion X for walking at some point; for vehicular travel, it's my personal favorite right now. I must admit that earlier this year, I lost confidence in Navigon We were going to Hartford's airport, and we were going to be taken about an hour out of our way. When I tried to re-create the route once we were on the right road, Navigon indicated that there was no map data available. That's when I decided to go with Motion X. Now perhaps I had a corrupt download of the Connecticut map, I don't know, but fairly or not, I switched to Motion X. Les On Nov 28, 2012, at 3:02 PM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote: Les: Does BlindSquare give clear walking directions? Does Motion X have walking directions or is it just for vehicles? Reggie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only I use Motion X GPSDrive and for walking, I now use BlindSquare. I recently discovered a really neat feature with Motion X. I created a route to my cousin's last Thursday and then created a route to the train station to pick up our son. I had the usual clear route option, but I noticed I could Add A Stop to the original route. What that meant was that we went to the train station via Motion X first and then proceeded to my cousin's house, all within one route instead of two separate routes. A really cool feature! Motion X is easy to use, totally accessible and incredibly accurate for vehicular travel. Les On Nov 27, 2012, at 5:20 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I use Navigon or TomTom when I require complete directions to a place. Both apps can run in the background when a route is running, so you can also load Ariadne or one of the apps which displays nearby POIs if you wish. I usually just use Ariadne because it has a feature which automatically announces the updated address every 40 seconds or so. This is often all I need now that I have trained myself to navigate via street address rather than cross streets. One of my primary uses is on the bus. I have learned the nearby addresses for the stop I require. When the announced address gets close, I ring the bell and exit at my desired bus stop. In most cases, I no longer need to ask the bus driver for my stop to be announced. I also use Ariadne when looking for an address in an area that is familiar. With Ariadne, I just activate the app and activate the start monitor button. I can even activate Ariadne for a quick check of my current location and then close it again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/11/2012, at 10:53, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: Thanks, Raul. Can you expand a bit on how you use the 2 GPS in combination? Do you use both on one route, or sometimes one and sometimes another? I'd be curious how you use both simultaneously, or even how you decide when to use one or the other. Also, Waze is new to me; haven't heard that one before. Can you describe it a bit? It sounds like it's a substitute for Navigon at times. Thanks in advance. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case
RE: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
Hi. Does Tomtom work with Voiceover? Much appreciated. Many thanks and kind regards Mohammed Rashid -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: 27 November 2012 22:21 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only I use Navigon or TomTom when I require complete directions to a place. Both apps can run in the background when a route is running, so you can also load Ariadne or one of the apps which displays nearby POIs if you wish. I usually just use Ariadne because it has a feature which automatically announces the updated address every 40 seconds or so. This is often all I need now that I have trained myself to navigate via street address rather than cross streets. One of my primary uses is on the bus. I have learned the nearby addresses for the stop I require. When the announced address gets close, I ring the bell and exit at my desired bus stop. In most cases, I no longer need to ask the bus driver for my stop to be announced. I also use Ariadne when looking for an address in an area that is familiar. With Ariadne, I just activate the app and activate the start monitor button. I can even activate Ariadne for a quick check of my current location and then close it again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/11/2012, at 10:53, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: Thanks, Raul. Can you expand a bit on how you use the 2 GPS in combination? Do you use both on one route, or sometimes one and sometimes another? I'd be curious how you use both simultaneously, or even how you decide when to use one or the other. Also, Waze is new to me; haven't heard that one before. Can you describe it a bit? It sounds like it's a substitute for Navigon at times. Thanks in advance. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case of Ariadne, I get to know what street I'm on, the addresses I'm walking or driving by, the zip code, the direction I'm moving in, and the intersection when I get to it. Of course with an app like Navigon I have my turn by turn direction list. I can also of course use any other app of choice for this if I want. Mapquest, MotionX Drive, ETC. Even when I was working with Sendero to get the Braille Sense user interface and featureset working right, I didn't use all the features available unless I was testing them to make sure they work. For example, I don't need to always know if the intersection I'm coming up to is a t intersection, or if it dead ends. I don't need constant announcement of how close I am getting to the upcoming intersection. I don't always need the street name announced as I'm crossing it. All these are good features to have, but as I said at the beginning of this post, it depends on what the user wants. I feel that if the user wants the exact level of access and features found in the sendero products, and if the user wants this all available from one app so they don't have to switch, then they will be unsatisfied with what the iPhone currently offers. However if the user doesn't need all the extra features, and is ok with using at least 2 apps to get this level, then the current solutions I think are very nice. In fact, they are far more than what we used to have. Let's also consider the history. How long has Sendero been making GPS products, compared to how long have the blind had access to the iPhone. I personally feel that when Sendero comes out with their iPhone app, it will be a very nice thing and should offer people who need those extra features and maybe even more than what I've mentioned, to have a solution which will work for them. plus they will have the bonus of it all from one app, so there should be no switching. In the mean time, I can do what I need to do with what I have and I don't feel
Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
Yes Motion X is incredibly accurate. I use it to help us get to mew places often. And we always arrive there without delay. I love that app myself! ~Sharonda Sent from my iPhone; please excuse all mistakes On Nov 28, 2012, at 4:17 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: I use Motion X GPSDrive and for walking, I now use BlindSquare. I recently discovered a really neat feature with Motion X. I created a route to my cousin's last Thursday and then created a route to the train station to pick up our son. I had the usual clear route option, but I noticed I could Add A Stop to the original route. What that meant was that we went to the train station via Motion X first and then proceeded to my cousin's house, all within one route instead of two separate routes. A really cool feature! Motion X is easy to use, totally accessible and incredibly accurate for vehicular travel. Les On Nov 27, 2012, at 5:20 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I use Navigon or TomTom when I require complete directions to a place. Both apps can run in the background when a route is running, so you can also load Ariadne or one of the apps which displays nearby POIs if you wish. I usually just use Ariadne because it has a feature which automatically announces the updated address every 40 seconds or so. This is often all I need now that I have trained myself to navigate via street address rather than cross streets. One of my primary uses is on the bus. I have learned the nearby addresses for the stop I require. When the announced address gets close, I ring the bell and exit at my desired bus stop. In most cases, I no longer need to ask the bus driver for my stop to be announced. I also use Ariadne when looking for an address in an area that is familiar. With Ariadne, I just activate the app and activate the start monitor button. I can even activate Ariadne for a quick check of my current location and then close it again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/11/2012, at 10:53, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: Thanks, Raul. Can you expand a bit on how you use the 2 GPS in combination? Do you use both on one route, or sometimes one and sometimes another? I'd be curious how you use both simultaneously, or even how you decide when to use one or the other. Also, Waze is new to me; haven't heard that one before. Can you describe it a bit? It sounds like it's a substitute for Navigon at times. Thanks in advance. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case of Ariadne, I get to know what street I'm on, the addresses I'm walking or driving by, the zip code, the direction I'm moving in, and the intersection when I get to it. Of course with an app like Navigon I have my turn by turn direction list. I can also of course use any other app of choice for this if I want. Mapquest, MotionX Drive, ETC. Even when I was working with Sendero to get the Braille Sense user interface and featureset working right, I didn't use all the features available unless I was testing them to make sure they work. For example, I don't need to always know if the intersection I'm coming up to is a t intersection, or if it dead ends. I don't need constant announcement of how close I am getting to the upcoming intersection. I don't always need the street name announced as I'm crossing it. All these are good features to have, but as I said at the beginning of this post, it depends on what the user wants. I feel that if the user wants the exact level of access and features found in the sendero products, and if the user wants this all available from one app so they don't have to switch, then they will be unsatisfied with what the iPhone currently offers. However if the user doesn't need all the extra features, and is ok with using at least 2 apps to get this level, then the current
Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
Yes, I am blind and use TomTom. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 29/11/2012, at 0:10, Mohammed abbas Rashid abbas.ras...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Hi. Does Tomtom work with Voiceover? Much appreciated. Many thanks and kind regards Mohammed Rashid -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: 27 November 2012 22:21 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only I use Navigon or TomTom when I require complete directions to a place. Both apps can run in the background when a route is running, so you can also load Ariadne or one of the apps which displays nearby POIs if you wish. I usually just use Ariadne because it has a feature which automatically announces the updated address every 40 seconds or so. This is often all I need now that I have trained myself to navigate via street address rather than cross streets. One of my primary uses is on the bus. I have learned the nearby addresses for the stop I require. When the announced address gets close, I ring the bell and exit at my desired bus stop. In most cases, I no longer need to ask the bus driver for my stop to be announced. I also use Ariadne when looking for an address in an area that is familiar. With Ariadne, I just activate the app and activate the start monitor button. I can even activate Ariadne for a quick check of my current location and then close it again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/11/2012, at 10:53, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: Thanks, Raul. Can you expand a bit on how you use the 2 GPS in combination? Do you use both on one route, or sometimes one and sometimes another? I'd be curious how you use both simultaneously, or even how you decide when to use one or the other. Also, Waze is new to me; haven't heard that one before. Can you describe it a bit? It sounds like it's a substitute for Navigon at times. Thanks in advance. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case of Ariadne, I get to know what street I'm on, the addresses I'm walking or driving by, the zip code, the direction I'm moving in, and the intersection when I get to it. Of course with an app like Navigon I have my turn by turn direction list. I can also of course use any other app of choice for this if I want. Mapquest, MotionX Drive, ETC. Even when I was working with Sendero to get the Braille Sense user interface and featureset working right, I didn't use all the features available unless I was testing them to make sure they work. For example, I don't need to always know if the intersection I'm coming up to is a t intersection, or if it dead ends. I don't need constant announcement of how close I am getting to the upcoming intersection. I don't always need the street name announced as I'm crossing it. All these are good features to have, but as I said at the beginning of this post, it depends on what the user wants. I feel that if the user wants the exact level of access and features found in the sendero products, and if the user wants this all available from one app so they don't have to switch, then they will be unsatisfied with what the iPhone currently offers. However if the user doesn't need all the extra features, and is ok with using at least 2 apps to get this level, then the current solutions I think are very nice. In fact, they are far more than what we used to have. Let's also consider the history. How long has Sendero been making GPS products, compared to how long have the blind had access to the iPhone. I personally feel that when Sendero comes out with their iPhone app, it will be a very nice thing and should offer people who need those extra features
RE: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
Les: Does BlindSquare give clear walking directions? Does Motion X have walking directions or is it just for vehicles? Reggie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only I use Motion X GPSDrive and for walking, I now use BlindSquare. I recently discovered a really neat feature with Motion X. I created a route to my cousin's last Thursday and then created a route to the train station to pick up our son. I had the usual clear route option, but I noticed I could Add A Stop to the original route. What that meant was that we went to the train station via Motion X first and then proceeded to my cousin's house, all within one route instead of two separate routes. A really cool feature! Motion X is easy to use, totally accessible and incredibly accurate for vehicular travel. Les On Nov 27, 2012, at 5:20 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I use Navigon or TomTom when I require complete directions to a place. Both apps can run in the background when a route is running, so you can also load Ariadne or one of the apps which displays nearby POIs if you wish. I usually just use Ariadne because it has a feature which automatically announces the updated address every 40 seconds or so. This is often all I need now that I have trained myself to navigate via street address rather than cross streets. One of my primary uses is on the bus. I have learned the nearby addresses for the stop I require. When the announced address gets close, I ring the bell and exit at my desired bus stop. In most cases, I no longer need to ask the bus driver for my stop to be announced. I also use Ariadne when looking for an address in an area that is familiar. With Ariadne, I just activate the app and activate the start monitor button. I can even activate Ariadne for a quick check of my current location and then close it again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/11/2012, at 10:53, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: Thanks, Raul. Can you expand a bit on how you use the 2 GPS in combination? Do you use both on one route, or sometimes one and sometimes another? I'd be curious how you use both simultaneously, or even how you decide when to use one or the other. Also, Waze is new to me; haven't heard that one before. Can you describe it a bit? It sounds like it's a substitute for Navigon at times. Thanks in advance. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case of Ariadne, I get to know what street I'm on, the addresses I'm walking or driving by, the zip code, the direction I'm moving in, and the intersection when I get to it. Of course with an app like Navigon I have my turn by turn direction list. I can also of course use any other app of choice for this if I want. Mapquest, MotionX Drive, ETC. Even when I was working with Sendero to get the Braille Sense user interface and featureset working right, I didn't use all the features available unless I was testing them to make sure they work. For example, I don't need to always know if the intersection I'm coming up to is a t intersection, or if it dead ends. I don't need constant announcement of how close I am getting to the upcoming intersection. I don't always need the street name announced as I'm crossing it. All these are good features to have, but as I said at the beginning of this post, it depends on what the user wants. I feel that if the user wants the exact level of access and features found in the sendero products, and if the user wants this all available from one app so they don't have to switch, then they will be unsatisfied with what the iPhone currently offers. However if the user doesn't need all the extra features
Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
I cannot address BlindSquare, but I can tell you that MotionX is switchable between driving and walking directions. You can set a default. I have at times seem some slightly tricky behavior with the screen, but once set, it's accuracy in my area exceeds Sendero running on my Windows based phone as well as the old Wayfinder Access software that ran on Nokia phones. -Len On 11/28/2012 12:02 PM, Regina Alvarado wrote: Les: Does BlindSquare give clear walking directions? Does Motion X have walking directions or is it just for vehicles? Reggie -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only I use Motion X GPSDrive and for walking, I now use BlindSquare. I recently discovered a really neat feature with Motion X. I created a route to my cousin's last Thursday and then created a route to the train station to pick up our son. I had the usual clear route option, but I noticed I could Add A Stop to the original route. What that meant was that we went to the train station via Motion X first and then proceeded to my cousin's house, all within one route instead of two separate routes. A really cool feature! Motion X is easy to use, totally accessible and incredibly accurate for vehicular travel. Les On Nov 27, 2012, at 5:20 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: I use Navigon or TomTom when I require complete directions to a place. Both apps can run in the background when a route is running, so you can also load Ariadne or one of the apps which displays nearby POIs if you wish. I usually just use Ariadne because it has a feature which automatically announces the updated address every 40 seconds or so. This is often all I need now that I have trained myself to navigate via street address rather than cross streets. One of my primary uses is on the bus. I have learned the nearby addresses for the stop I require. When the announced address gets close, I ring the bell and exit at my desired bus stop. In most cases, I no longer need to ask the bus driver for my stop to be announced. I also use Ariadne when looking for an address in an area that is familiar. With Ariadne, I just activate the app and activate the start monitor button. I can even activate Ariadne for a quick check of my current location and then close it again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/11/2012, at 10:53, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: Thanks, Raul. Can you expand a bit on how you use the 2 GPS in combination? Do you use both on one route, or sometimes one and sometimes another? I'd be curious how you use both simultaneously, or even how you decide when to use one or the other. Also, Waze is new to me; haven't heard that one before. Can you describe it a bit? It sounds like it's a substitute for Navigon at times. Thanks in advance. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case of Ariadne, I get to know what street I'm on, the addresses I'm walking or driving by, the zip code, the direction I'm moving in, and the intersection when I get to it. Of course with an app like Navigon I have my turn by turn direction list. I can also of course use any other app of choice for this if I want. Mapquest, MotionX Drive, ETC. Even when I was working with Sendero to get the Braille Sense user interface and featureset working right, I didn't use all the features available unless I was testing them to make sure they work. For example, I don't need to always know if the intersection I'm coming up to is a t intersection, or if it dead ends. I don't need constant announcement of how close I am getting to the upcoming intersection. I don't always need the street name announced
Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
I was worried about the GPS apps after I heard about the issues with the new maps on the iphone 5. Have they fixed this? contact: home and cell: 5126803985 Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap! Dr. Kenneth Jernigan e-mail: kd5...@gmail.com sskype: cynterline websites: islamic text for the blind: www.Kitaba.org blind muslim group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindmuslimgroup/ disabled Muslims: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DisabledMuslims/ Global deaf muslim site: http://www.globaldeafmuslim.org/ National Federation of the Blind: www.nfb.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
I have an iPhone 5 and have not experienced any trouble with the Maps application. Only twice have I been told that maps were not available, out of the maybe 10 or 15 times that I have used them. go figure. Regards, Wayne On 11/28/12, heather albright kd5...@gmail.com wrote: I was worried about the GPS apps after I heard about the issues with the new maps on the iphone 5. Have they fixed this? contact: home and cell: 5126803985 Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap! Dr. Kenneth Jernigan e-mail: kd5...@gmail.com sskype: cynterline websites: islamic text for the blind: www.Kitaba.org blind muslim group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindmuslimgroup/ disabled Muslims: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DisabledMuslims/ Global deaf muslim site: http://www.globaldeafmuslim.org/ National Federation of the Blind: www.nfb.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Follow me on Twitter at: www.twitter.com/wcmerritt My websites: www.wayneism.com www.whitecaneday.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
Many apps such as Navigon, Tom tom, and Motion X GPS use their own maps. Andy -Original Message- From: Wayne Merritt Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 12:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only I have an iPhone 5 and have not experienced any trouble with the Maps application. Only twice have I been told that maps were not available, out of the maybe 10 or 15 times that I have used them. go figure. Regards, Wayne On 11/28/12, heather albright kd5...@gmail.com wrote: I was worried about the GPS apps after I heard about the issues with the new maps on the iphone 5. Have they fixed this? contact: home and cell: 5126803985 Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap! Dr. Kenneth Jernigan e-mail: kd5...@gmail.com sskype: cynterline websites: islamic text for the blind: www.Kitaba.org blind muslim group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindmuslimgroup/ disabled Muslims: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DisabledMuslims/ Global deaf muslim site: http://www.globaldeafmuslim.org/ National Federation of the Blind: www.nfb.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- Follow me on Twitter at: www.twitter.com/wcmerritt My websites: www.wayneism.com www.whitecaneday.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
Thanks for the reply Raul. Personally, I feel that the progress towards a fully accessible GPS experience on the iPhone is tremendous and exciting. But I have tried Navigon and Ariadne in tandem and don't really feel that it's there yet. Switching apps isn't a big deal for me, especially since as David pointed out, you can simply have an app like Navigon running in the background with Ariadne in the foreground. But I just don't know that it's worth the user investing time and resources especially into Navigon, as in my opinion the functionality just isn't there yet. As you said, it's fair to say that our reliance on GPS apps is a tad too high. But that doesn't seem to be a reason to suggest that we need less functionality. If you don't need cross streets, intersection announcements, the ability to set up custom routes, and so forth, then chances are you probably don't need more than the built-in Apple Maps (if anything) or Ariadne for a quick refresher on just where you are. Personally, I feel that the functionality offered by, say, Sendero for the BrailleNote, is invaluable. Firstly, it's important to get an idea of how an area is mapped out beyond simply relying on people to tell you, which includes descriptions of intersections and upcoming crossed streets. Secondly, it's a valuable resource when traversing pretty familiar, but not totally second nature routes. As David said hopping on a bus and getting an idea of when your stop is coming up, is exactly the kind of functionality that's easy to get on an iPhone right now. But for a true GPS solution I see the blindness-specific product as the way to go, at least for now. On 11/27/12, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case of Ariadne, I get to know what street I'm on, the addresses I'm walking or driving by, the zip code, the direction I'm moving in, and the intersection when I get to it. Of course with an app like Navigon I have my turn by turn direction list. I can also of course use any other app of choice for this if I want. Mapquest, MotionX Drive, ETC. Even when I was working with Sendero to get the Braille Sense user interface and featureset working right, I didn't use all the features available unless I was testing them to make sure they work. For example, I don't need to always know if the intersection I'm coming up to is a t intersection, or if it dead ends. I don't need constant announcement of how close I am getting to the upcoming intersection. I don't always need the street name announced as I'm crossing it. All these are good features to have, but as I said at the beginning of this post, it depends on what the user wants. I feel that if the user wants the exact level of access and features found in the sendero products, and if the user wants this all available from one app so they don't have to switch, then they will be unsatisfied with what the iPhone currently offers. However if the user doesn't need all the extra features, and is ok with using at least 2 apps to get this level, then the current solutions I think are very nice. In fact, they are far more than what we used to have. Let's also consider the history. How long has Sendero been making GPS products, compared to how long have the blind had access to the iPhone. I personally feel that when Sendero comes out with their iPhone app, it will be a very nice thing and should offer people who need those extra features and maybe even more than what I've mentioned, to have a solution which will work for them. plus they will have the bonus of it all from one app, so there should be no switching. In the mean time, I can do what I need to do with what I have and I don't feel it is lacking for me. The other thing I want to mention, and I hate to, but I have to, is that there are some people who depend on GPS technology too much. I'm not knocking what's out there, because I think it's a great thing. However, let's all remember that when using any sort of GPS, always depend on your own orientation and mobility skills first. This is why I don't need to know if the intersection goes through or dead ends. However this might open up a debate and a can of GPS worms, and so I'll leave it at that. Hope this helped to answer your question. -- Raul A. Gallegos Too much
Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
I find Apple Maps works quite well here in Wellington, New Zealand. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 29/11/2012, at 8:19, heather albright kd5...@gmail.com wrote: I was worried about the GPS apps after I heard about the issues with the new maps on the iphone 5. Have they fixed this? contact: home and cell: 5126803985 Blindness is a characteristic, not a handicap! Dr. Kenneth Jernigan e-mail: kd5...@gmail.com sskype: cynterline websites: islamic text for the blind: www.Kitaba.org blind muslim group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/blindmuslimgroup/ disabled Muslims: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DisabledMuslims/ Global deaf muslim site: http://www.globaldeafmuslim.org/ National Federation of the Blind: www.nfb.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case of Ariadne, I get to know what street I'm on, the addresses I'm walking or driving by, the zip code, the direction I'm moving in, and the intersection when I get to it. Of course with an app like Navigon I have my turn by turn direction list. I can also of course use any other app of choice for this if I want. Mapquest, MotionX Drive, ETC. Even when I was working with Sendero to get the Braille Sense user interface and featureset working right, I didn't use all the features available unless I was testing them to make sure they work. For example, I don't need to always know if the intersection I'm coming up to is a t intersection, or if it dead ends. I don't need constant announcement of how close I am getting to the upcoming intersection. I don't always need the street name announced as I'm crossing it. All these are good features to have, but as I said at the beginning of this post, it depends on what the user wants. I feel that if the user wants the exact level of access and features found in the sendero products, and if the user wants this all available from one app so they don't have to switch, then they will be unsatisfied with what the iPhone currently offers. However if the user doesn't need all the extra features, and is ok with using at least 2 apps to get this level, then the current solutions I think are very nice. In fact, they are far more than what we used to have. Let's also consider the history. How long has Sendero been making GPS products, compared to how long have the blind had access to the iPhone. I personally feel that when Sendero comes out with their iPhone app, it will be a very nice thing and should offer people who need those extra features and maybe even more than what I've mentioned, to have a solution which will work for them. plus they will have the bonus of it all from one app, so there should be no switching. In the mean time, I can do what I need to do with what I have and I don't feel it is lacking for me. The other thing I want to mention, and I hate to, but I have to, is that there are some people who depend on GPS technology too much. I'm not knocking what's out there, because I think it's a great thing. However, let's all remember that when using any sort of GPS, always depend on your own orientation and mobility skills first. This is why I don't need to know if the intersection goes through or dead ends. However this might open up a debate and a can of GPS worms, and so I'll leave it at that. Hope this helped to answer your question. -- Raul A. Gallegos Too much of a good thing can be wonderful. - Mae West Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 11/23/2012 11:47 PM, Grant Hardy wrote: Hi Raul, I want to thank you for this objective comparison; it was very much appreciated. Would you say that between Navigon and Ariadne GPS, you could get functionality roughly equivalent to that offered on blindness-specific products such as the Breeze or Sendero GPS for the BrailleNote? I've always felt that the iPhone could rival any other GPS products if only I had the right app. But I wouldn't say that Ariadne on its own, in combination with either the old or the new Apple maps, really does it for me. Grant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
Though it may not be as applicable for everyone, don't forget about the built in Maps features of iOS 6, with the new iPhone 5 and other recent iPhones and iPod Touches, which offer voice guidance if VO is off, and a spoken list of directions if VO is on. The more I use Maps for GPS in my wife's car, the more I like it. I have found that by double tapping on an address in contacts, Maps automatically comes up with a choice of routes to take. All I have to do is choose a route, hit the route or start button, and then turn VO off for the spoken directions. Maps seems to offer the right amount of spoken announcements, not too much but not too little. When setting up the route you want to travel, you can switch between car, pedestrian or transit direction options. Jmt, Wayne On 11/27/12, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case of Ariadne, I get to know what street I'm on, the addresses I'm walking or driving by, the zip code, the direction I'm moving in, and the intersection when I get to it. Of course with an app like Navigon I have my turn by turn direction list. I can also of course use any other app of choice for this if I want. Mapquest, MotionX Drive, ETC. Even when I was working with Sendero to get the Braille Sense user interface and featureset working right, I didn't use all the features available unless I was testing them to make sure they work. For example, I don't need to always know if the intersection I'm coming up to is a t intersection, or if it dead ends. I don't need constant announcement of how close I am getting to the upcoming intersection. I don't always need the street name announced as I'm crossing it. All these are good features to have, but as I said at the beginning of this post, it depends on what the user wants. I feel that if the user wants the exact level of access and features found in the sendero products, and if the user wants this all available from one app so they don't have to switch, then they will be unsatisfied with what the iPhone currently offers. However if the user doesn't need all the extra features, and is ok with using at least 2 apps to get this level, then the current solutions I think are very nice. In fact, they are far more than what we used to have. Let's also consider the history. How long has Sendero been making GPS products, compared to how long have the blind had access to the iPhone. I personally feel that when Sendero comes out with their iPhone app, it will be a very nice thing and should offer people who need those extra features and maybe even more than what I've mentioned, to have a solution which will work for them. plus they will have the bonus of it all from one app, so there should be no switching. In the mean time, I can do what I need to do with what I have and I don't feel it is lacking for me. The other thing I want to mention, and I hate to, but I have to, is that there are some people who depend on GPS technology too much. I'm not knocking what's out there, because I think it's a great thing. However, let's all remember that when using any sort of GPS, always depend on your own orientation and mobility skills first. This is why I don't need to know if the intersection goes through or dead ends. However this might open up a debate and a can of GPS worms, and so I'll leave it at that. Hope this helped to answer your question. -- Raul A. Gallegos Too much of a good thing can be wonderful. - Mae West Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 11/23/2012 11:47 PM, Grant Hardy wrote: Hi Raul, I want to thank you for this objective comparison; it was very much appreciated. Would you say that between Navigon and Ariadne GPS, you could get functionality roughly equivalent to that offered on blindness-specific products such as the Breeze or Sendero GPS for the BrailleNote? I've always felt that the iPhone could rival any other GPS products if only I had the right app. But I wouldn't say that Ariadne on its own, in combination with either the old or the new Apple maps, really does it for me. Grant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
Hi Wayne, Is there an accessible way to choose which route to take when Maps offers several? I can't figure out how to move to any route besides the first, and while VO speaks the time the route will take, I can't figure out a way to find anything else out about the route. Thanks, Anna On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Though it may not be as applicable for everyone, don't forget about the built in Maps features of iOS 6, with the new iPhone 5 and other recent iPhones and iPod Touches, which offer voice guidance if VO is off, and a spoken list of directions if VO is on. The more I use Maps for GPS in my wife's car, the more I like it. I have found that by double tapping on an address in contacts, Maps automatically comes up with a choice of routes to take. All I have to do is choose a route, hit the route or start button, and then turn VO off for the spoken directions. Maps seems to offer the right amount of spoken announcements, not too much but not too little. When setting up the route you want to travel, you can switch between car, pedestrian or transit direction options. Jmt, Wayne On 11/27/12, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case of Ariadne, I get to know what street I'm on, the addresses I'm walking or driving by, the zip code, the direction I'm moving in, and the intersection when I get to it. Of course with an app like Navigon I have my turn by turn direction list. I can also of course use any other app of choice for this if I want. Mapquest, MotionX Drive, ETC. Even when I was working with Sendero to get the Braille Sense user interface and featureset working right, I didn't use all the features available unless I was testing them to make sure they work. For example, I don't need to always know if the intersection I'm coming up to is a t intersection, or if it dead ends. I don't need constant announcement of how close I am getting to the upcoming intersection. I don't always need the street name announced as I'm crossing it. All these are good features to have, but as I said at the beginning of this post, it depends on what the user wants. I feel that if the user wants the exact level of access and features found in the sendero products, and if the user wants this all available from one app so they don't have to switch, then they will be unsatisfied with what the iPhone currently offers. However if the user doesn't need all the extra features, and is ok with using at least 2 apps to get this level, then the current solutions I think are very nice. In fact, they are far more than what we used to have. Let's also consider the history. How long has Sendero been making GPS products, compared to how long have the blind had access to the iPhone. I personally feel that when Sendero comes out with their iPhone app, it will be a very nice thing and should offer people who need those extra features and maybe even more than what I've mentioned, to have a solution which will work for them. plus they will have the bonus of it all from one app, so there should be no switching. In the mean time, I can do what I need to do with what I have and I don't feel it is lacking for me. The other thing I want to mention, and I hate to, but I have to, is that there are some people who depend on GPS technology too much. I'm not knocking what's out there, because I think it's a great thing. However, let's all remember that when using any sort of GPS, always depend on your own orientation and mobility skills first. This is why I don't need to know if the intersection goes through or dead ends. However this might open up a debate and a can of GPS worms, and so I'll leave it at that. Hope this helped to answer your question. -- Raul A. Gallegos Too much of a good thing can be wonderful. - Mae West Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 11/23/2012 11:47 PM, Grant Hardy wrote: Hi Raul, I want to thank you for this objective comparison; it was very much appreciated. Would you say that between Navigon and Ariadne GPS, you could get functionality roughly equivalent to that offered on blindness-specific products such as the Breeze or Sendero GPS for
Re: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only
Yes. When presented with the list of possible routes, you can swipe/flick between the different routes. When on a route, such as route 2, double tap it, then swipe/flick through that area of the screen to view the time it will take and other information. When you want to begin the selected route, double tap the start button that appears after the list of routes. Hth, Wayne On 11/27/12, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Wayne, Is there an accessible way to choose which route to take when Maps offers several? I can't figure out how to move to any route besides the first, and while VO speaks the time the route will take, I can't figure out a way to find anything else out about the route. Thanks, Anna On Nov 27, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: Though it may not be as applicable for everyone, don't forget about the built in Maps features of iOS 6, with the new iPhone 5 and other recent iPhones and iPod Touches, which offer voice guidance if VO is off, and a spoken list of directions if VO is on. The more I use Maps for GPS in my wife's car, the more I like it. I have found that by double tapping on an address in contacts, Maps automatically comes up with a choice of routes to take. All I have to do is choose a route, hit the route or start button, and then turn VO off for the spoken directions. Maps seems to offer the right amount of spoken announcements, not too much but not too little. When setting up the route you want to travel, you can switch between car, pedestrian or transit direction options. Jmt, Wayne On 11/27/12, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case of Ariadne, I get to know what street I'm on, the addresses I'm walking or driving by, the zip code, the direction I'm moving in, and the intersection when I get to it. Of course with an app like Navigon I have my turn by turn direction list. I can also of course use any other app of choice for this if I want. Mapquest, MotionX Drive, ETC. Even when I was working with Sendero to get the Braille Sense user interface and featureset working right, I didn't use all the features available unless I was testing them to make sure they work. For example, I don't need to always know if the intersection I'm coming up to is a t intersection, or if it dead ends. I don't need constant announcement of how close I am getting to the upcoming intersection. I don't always need the street name announced as I'm crossing it. All these are good features to have, but as I said at the beginning of this post, it depends on what the user wants. I feel that if the user wants the exact level of access and features found in the sendero products, and if the user wants this all available from one app so they don't have to switch, then they will be unsatisfied with what the iPhone currently offers. However if the user doesn't need all the extra features, and is ok with using at least 2 apps to get this level, then the current solutions I think are very nice. In fact, they are far more than what we used to have. Let's also consider the history. How long has Sendero been making GPS products, compared to how long have the blind had access to the iPhone. I personally feel that when Sendero comes out with their iPhone app, it will be a very nice thing and should offer people who need those extra features and maybe even more than what I've mentioned, to have a solution which will work for them. plus they will have the bonus of it all from one app, so there should be no switching. In the mean time, I can do what I need to do with what I have and I don't feel it is lacking for me. The other thing I want to mention, and I hate to, but I have to, is that there are some people who depend on GPS technology too much. I'm not knocking what's out there, because I think it's a great thing. However, let's all remember that when using any sort of GPS, always depend on your own orientation and mobility skills first. This is why I don't need to know if the intersection goes through or dead ends. However this might open up a debate and a can of GPS worms, and so I'll leave it at that. Hope this helped to answer your question. -- Raul A. Gallegos Too much of a good thing can be wonderful. - Mae West Home
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Thanks, Raul. Can you expand a bit on how you use the 2 GPS in combination? Do you use both on one route, or sometimes one and sometimes another? I'd be curious how you use both simultaneously, or even how you decide when to use one or the other. Also, Waze is new to me; haven't heard that one before. Can you describe it a bit? It sounds like it's a substitute for Navigon at times. Thanks in advance. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case of Ariadne, I get to know what street I'm on, the addresses I'm walking or driving by, the zip code, the direction I'm moving in, and the intersection when I get to it. Of course with an app like Navigon I have my turn by turn direction list. I can also of course use any other app of choice for this if I want. Mapquest, MotionX Drive, ETC. Even when I was working with Sendero to get the Braille Sense user interface and featureset working right, I didn't use all the features available unless I was testing them to make sure they work. For example, I don't need to always know if the intersection I'm coming up to is a t intersection, or if it dead ends. I don't need constant announcement of how close I am getting to the upcoming intersection. I don't always need the street name announced as I'm crossing it. All these are good features to have, but as I said at the beginning of this post, it depends on what the user wants. I feel that if the user wants the exact level of access and features found in the sendero products, and if the user wants this all available from one app so they don't have to switch, then they will be unsatisfied with what the iPhone currently offers. However if the user doesn't need all the extra features, and is ok with using at least 2 apps to get this level, then the current solutions I think are very nice. In fact, they are far more than what we used to have. Let's also consider the history. How long has Sendero been making GPS products, compared to how long have the blind had access to the iPhone. I personally feel that when Sendero comes out with their iPhone app, it will be a very nice thing and should offer people who need those extra features and maybe even more than what I've mentioned, to have a solution which will work for them. plus they will have the bonus of it all from one app, so there should be no switching. In the mean time, I can do what I need to do with what I have and I don't feel it is lacking for me. The other thing I want to mention, and I hate to, but I have to, is that there are some people who depend on GPS technology too much. I'm not knocking what's out there, because I think it's a great thing. However, let's all remember that when using any sort of GPS, always depend on your own orientation and mobility skills first. This is why I don't need to know if the intersection goes through or dead ends. However this might open up a debate and a can of GPS worms, and so I'll leave it at that. Hope this helped to answer your question. -- Raul A. Gallegos Too much of a good thing can be wonderful. - Mae West Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 11/23/2012 11:47 PM, Grant Hardy wrote: Hi Raul, I want to thank you for this objective comparison; it was very much appreciated. Would you say that between Navigon and Ariadne GPS, you could get functionality roughly equivalent to that offered on blindness-specific products such as the Breeze or Sendero GPS for the BrailleNote? I've always felt that the iPhone could rival any other GPS products if only I had the right app. But I wouldn't say that Ariadne on its own, in combination with either the old or the new Apple maps, really does it for me. Grant -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send
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I use Navigon or TomTom when I require complete directions to a place. Both apps can run in the background when a route is running, so you can also load Ariadne or one of the apps which displays nearby POIs if you wish. I usually just use Ariadne because it has a feature which automatically announces the updated address every 40 seconds or so. This is often all I need now that I have trained myself to navigate via street address rather than cross streets. One of my primary uses is on the bus. I have learned the nearby addresses for the stop I require. When the announced address gets close, I ring the bell and exit at my desired bus stop. In most cases, I no longer need to ask the bus driver for my stop to be announced. I also use Ariadne when looking for an address in an area that is familiar. With Ariadne, I just activate the app and activate the start monitor button. I can even activate Ariadne for a quick check of my current location and then close it again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 28/11/2012, at 10:53, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: Thanks, Raul. Can you expand a bit on how you use the 2 GPS in combination? Do you use both on one route, or sometimes one and sometimes another? I'd be curious how you use both simultaneously, or even how you decide when to use one or the other. Also, Waze is new to me; haven't heard that one before. Can you describe it a bit? It sounds like it's a substitute for Navigon at times. Thanks in advance. Keith -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raul A. Gallegos Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 5:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: My feelings about a total GPS solution for the blind - Was Re: Navigon on sale today only Hello Grant, and anyone else interested, my apologies for not responding sooner. The message slipped through the cracks and I just now found it again. The short answer to your question is yes. Meaning that for me, what I have works superbly and I don't feel like I'm lacking in what I have. Now, the long answer. I think it highly depends on what the user is expecting from an accessible GPS solution. I know the Sendero products well, and in fact, helped to develop the initial Sendero GPS user interface for the Braille Sense from HIMS when they started using Sendero. For me personally, using a combination of Navigon and Ariadne, or Waze and Ariadne, is enough. In the case of Ariadne, I get to know what street I'm on, the addresses I'm walking or driving by, the zip code, the direction I'm moving in, and the intersection when I get to it. Of course with an app like Navigon I have my turn by turn direction list. I can also of course use any other app of choice for this if I want. Mapquest, MotionX Drive, ETC. Even when I was working with Sendero to get the Braille Sense user interface and featureset working right, I didn't use all the features available unless I was testing them to make sure they work. For example, I don't need to always know if the intersection I'm coming up to is a t intersection, or if it dead ends. I don't need constant announcement of how close I am getting to the upcoming intersection. I don't always need the street name announced as I'm crossing it. All these are good features to have, but as I said at the beginning of this post, it depends on what the user wants. I feel that if the user wants the exact level of access and features found in the sendero products, and if the user wants this all available from one app so they don't have to switch, then they will be unsatisfied with what the iPhone currently offers. However if the user doesn't need all the extra features, and is ok with using at least 2 apps to get this level, then the current solutions I think are very nice. In fact, they are far more than what we used to have. Let's also consider the history. How long has Sendero been making GPS products, compared to how long have the blind had access to the iPhone. I personally feel that when Sendero comes out with their iPhone app, it will be a very nice thing and should offer people who need those extra features and maybe even more than what I've mentioned, to have a solution which will work for them. plus they will have the bonus of it all from one app, so there should be no switching. In the mean time, I can do what I need to do with what I have and I don't feel it is lacking for me. The other thing I want to mention, and I hate to, but I have to, is that there are some people who depend on GPS technology too much. I'm not knocking what's out there, because I think it's a great thing. However, let's all remember that when using any sort of GPS, always depend on your own orientation and mobility skills first. This is why I
Navigon on sale today only
I noticed that Navigon is half-price today. Do you think it is worth that much? Yes I know it is normally $50, but can it be used without having a car? Thank you so much! Jenn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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It has great walking directions. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jennie Facer Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 6:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Navigon on sale today only I noticed that Navigon is half-price today. Do you think it is worth that much? Yes I know it is normally $50, but can it be used without having a car? Thank you so much! Jenn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Hi, Navigon is the best one for both vehicle and pedestrian travel. Of course this is my opinion and others will have differing mileage with this app. Plus points to Navigon are that it doesn't rely on your cell data because the maps are downloaded locally to your phone. Its interface is easy to use once you familiarize yourself with it. I did a podcast on my home page which describes how to input addresses for getting directions. In conjunction with Ariadne GPS you can use both to have directions to going somewhere as well as knowing the current street, intersection, and/or direction you are traveling. Now to some negative points. Navigon is more expensive than many other gps solutions such as Mapquest which is free, or MotionX GPS drive, which costs 1 dollar for the app and then you pay either a monthly usage or yearly usage fee afterwards. Also, some people have reported that Navigon doesn't work for their local area because the maps are not updated properly. For example Richard Turner in Oregon has a bear of a time with this app and so doesn't recommend this for people to use. I respect Richard's opinions and if he says it doesn't work in his area I have no reason to distrust that. I recently went to Seattle Washington and Navigon performed marvelously while I was there, but I haven't tested it in Oregon. Another negative point is that map updates may not be as often as off the air apps such as Mapquest and so there may be out of date maps used, but how often do streets and street names change? All in all, I'd get it if I was you, even if you don't learn it right away. Hope this helps. -- Raul A. Gallegos All my life, I always wanted to be somebody. Now I see that I should have been more specific. - Jane Wagner Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 11/23/2012 6:39 PM, Jennie Facer wrote: I noticed that Navigon is half-price today. Do you think it is worth that much? Yes I know it is normally $50, but can it be used without having a car? Thank you so much! Jenn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Hi Raul, I want to thank you for this objective comparison; it was very much appreciated. Would you say that between Navigon and Ariadne GPS, you could get functionality roughly equivalent to that offered on blindness-specific products such as the Breeze or Sendero GPS for the BrailleNote? I've always felt that the iPhone could rival any other GPS products if only I had the right app. But I wouldn't say that Ariadne on its own, in combination with either the old or the new Apple maps, really does it for me. Grant On 11/23/12, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hi, Navigon is the best one for both vehicle and pedestrian travel. Of course this is my opinion and others will have differing mileage with this app. Plus points to Navigon are that it doesn't rely on your cell data because the maps are downloaded locally to your phone. Its interface is easy to use once you familiarize yourself with it. I did a podcast on my home page which describes how to input addresses for getting directions. In conjunction with Ariadne GPS you can use both to have directions to going somewhere as well as knowing the current street, intersection, and/or direction you are traveling. Now to some negative points. Navigon is more expensive than many other gps solutions such as Mapquest which is free, or MotionX GPS drive, which costs 1 dollar for the app and then you pay either a monthly usage or yearly usage fee afterwards. Also, some people have reported that Navigon doesn't work for their local area because the maps are not updated properly. For example Richard Turner in Oregon has a bear of a time with this app and so doesn't recommend this for people to use. I respect Richard's opinions and if he says it doesn't work in his area I have no reason to distrust that. I recently went to Seattle Washington and Navigon performed marvelously while I was there, but I haven't tested it in Oregon. Another negative point is that map updates may not be as often as off the air apps such as Mapquest and so there may be out of date maps used, but how often do streets and street names change? All in all, I'd get it if I was you, even if you don't learn it right away. Hope this helps. -- Raul A. Gallegos All my life, I always wanted to be somebody. Now I see that I should have been more specific. - Jane Wagner Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 11/23/2012 6:39 PM, Jennie Facer wrote: I noticed that Navigon is half-price today. Do you think it is worth that much? Yes I know it is normally $50, but can it be used without having a car? Thank you so much! Jenn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Throwing in my two cents. I agree with Raul, that Navigon ariadne are a great tag team. Sometimes I use one without the other, and sometimes both. I have not come across a situation where neither have helpped. I suggest getting Navigon at this half price special. Thom -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Grant Hardy Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:48 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Navigon on sale today only Hi Raul, I want to thank you for this objective comparison; it was very much appreciated. Would you say that between Navigon and Ariadne GPS, you could get functionality roughly equivalent to that offered on blindness-specific products such as the Breeze or Sendero GPS for the BrailleNote? I've always felt that the iPhone could rival any other GPS products if only I had the right app. But I wouldn't say that Ariadne on its own, in combination with either the old or the new Apple maps, really does it for me. Grant On 11/23/12, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hi, Navigon is the best one for both vehicle and pedestrian travel. Of course this is my opinion and others will have differing mileage with this app. Plus points to Navigon are that it doesn't rely on your cell data because the maps are downloaded locally to your phone. Its interface is easy to use once you familiarize yourself with it. I did a podcast on my home page which describes how to input addresses for getting directions. In conjunction with Ariadne GPS you can use both to have directions to going somewhere as well as knowing the current street, intersection, and/or direction you are traveling. Now to some negative points. Navigon is more expensive than many other gps solutions such as Mapquest which is free, or MotionX GPS drive, which costs 1 dollar for the app and then you pay either a monthly usage or yearly usage fee afterwards. Also, some people have reported that Navigon doesn't work for their local area because the maps are not updated properly. For example Richard Turner in Oregon has a bear of a time with this app and so doesn't recommend this for people to use. I respect Richard's opinions and if he says it doesn't work in his area I have no reason to distrust that. I recently went to Seattle Washington and Navigon performed marvelously while I was there, but I haven't tested it in Oregon. Another negative point is that map updates may not be as often as off the air apps such as Mapquest and so there may be out of date maps used, but how often do streets and street names change? All in all, I'd get it if I was you, even if you don't learn it right away. Hope this helps. -- Raul A. Gallegos All my life, I always wanted to be somebody. Now I see that I should have been more specific. - Jane Wagner Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47 Facebook: http://facebook.com/rau47 On 11/23/2012 6:39 PM, Jennie Facer wrote: I noticed that Navigon is half-price today. Do you think it is worth that much? Yes I know it is normally $50, but can it be used without having a car? Thank you so much! Jenn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
