Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-23 Thread Marie 
Oh no, I will wait. 
Thanks,
Marie

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 1:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

The public beta is not out yet.

Someone on this list has gotten invites privately and cannot share that link.

Another list posted a link to beta profiles for developers that I guess someone 
has made available but that is a violation of Apple’s Non Disclosure Agreement, 
so I deleted that email.

Usually it is the month after the WWDC before the public betas are available.

 

You could try going to https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/

And see if you can sign up.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 1:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

 

Richard,

Did you post a link to the Beta 14 for IOS? I can’t seem to find the post so 
can’t remember if it was on this list or another. Could you please post again? 
I want to give it a try on my IPod  I know it is not supposed to be available 
until July but...

Thanks

Marie

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 7:06 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

 

>From Blind Bargains today:

#WWDC: VoiceOver Gains New Image Description Capabilities among other Changes
J.J. Meddaugh Jun 22, 2020 7:25 PM ET

 

Like just about everything else these days, Apple's worldwide developers 
conference has switched to a virtual format for 2020. But a variety of new 
features have been announced across Apple's line of devices, including some new 
VoiceOver improvements.
While few details have been shared, VoiceOver appears to be gaining several 
features to help navigate apps and web pages which may be lacking proper 
accessibility support. Apple will try to identify controls that are not 
properly labeled, and also provide more verbose descriptions for images, 
including images on websites.
Outside of VoiceOver, Siri claims to be able to answer more questions with 
direct answers, instead of the classic "I can search the web for that" 
response. You can also send audio messages directly from Siri, or send your ETA 
to someone.
Apple grabs one of Android's top features in on-device dictation, useful on an 
airplane or another location where Internet access may be spotty. Speaking of 
Android features, iOS is gaining new ways to organize apps, and enhanced 
support for app widgets.
In messages, you can now pin up to nine conversations to the top of the screen 
for easy access. And the most important feature of all, a new face covering 
option for your Memoji.
There of course is a lot more than this. You can watch the keynote or [view a 
near-complete list of new features from 
Apple..'(https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-14-preview/features/) Here are the 
specific features listed under the accessibility heading:

VoiceOver Recognition
On-device intelligence recognizes key elements displayed on your screen to add 
VoiceOver support for app and web experiences that don t have accessibility 
support built in.

VoiceOver Recognition: Image descriptions
VoiceOver reads complete-sentence descriptions of images and photos within apps 
and on the web.

VoiceOver Recognition: Text recognition
VoiceOver speaks the text it identifies within images and photos.

VoiceOver Recognition: Screen recognition
VoiceOver automatically detects interface controls to aid in navigating your 
apps, making them more accessible.

Headphone Accommodations
This new accessibility feature is designed to amplify soft sounds and adjust 
certain frequencies for an individual s hearing, to help music, movies, phone 
calls, and podcasts sound more crisp and clear. Headphone Accommodations also 
supports Transparency mode on AirPods Pro, making quiet voices more audible and 
tuning the sounds of your environment to your hearing needs.

Source: WWDC Keynote

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

 

I didn’t read anything that said they would force you to organize your apps in 
a

Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-23 Thread Mary Otten 
Well, from some thing I read, and I did not listen to the keynote, so this is 
from an article, it sounded like you didn’t have to go with the whole let Apple 
do the library thing for you if you didn’t want to.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 1:39 AM, Kathy Brandt  wrote:
> 
> 
> I’m concerned over what they are proposing for app organization: I want to 
> organize my apps the way I think they should be organized, rather than how 
> they think they should be. I skip page one with the widgets, meaning the rest 
> of my apps are on three pages, arranged in folders, with the apps in each 
> being in alphabetical order.
> 
> 
> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:01 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Wow, with an app launcher, being able to place widgets on any screen 
>> whatsoever, and being able to set my default web browser and email client 
>> I’ll get some of the things I mis most from Android. I’d think adding 
>> captions to pictures would also be a useful feature for us blind users. I 
>> also like some of the new features being added for the Airpod Pros.
>>  
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Gmail
>>  
>> From: 'Devin Prater' via VIPhone  
>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 8:04 PM
>> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur
>>  
>> See this page: iOS features
>>  
>> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
>> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
>> another secret.” Or something.
>> Devin Prater
>> d.pra...@me.com
>> Https://devinprater.github.io
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>  
>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s 
>> not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
>> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
>> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, 
>> and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding 
>> voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus 
>> bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-23 Thread Mary Otten 
According to what I read, if you choose to enact this library functionality, 
Apple will put your apps into folders where it thinks they belong. Now I 
suppose you could go in and change that. But I would just to soon do it myself 
to start with, rather than having Apple do it for me.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 5:49 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I didn’t read anything that said they would force you to organize your apps 
> in a particular way. It seems like Apple is giving you more options on how to 
> organize your apps and manage your home pages and not taking options away 
> from people.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
> Brandt
> Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 3:40 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur
>  
> I’m concerned over what they are proposing for app organization: I want to 
> organize my apps the way I think they should be organized, rather than how 
> they think they should be. I skip page one with the widgets, meaning the rest 
> of my apps are on three pages, arranged in folders, with the apps in each 
> being in alphabetical order.
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:01 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Wow, with an app launcher, being able to place widgets on any screen 
> whatsoever, and being able to set my default web browser and email client 
> I’ll get some of the things I mis most from Android. I’d think adding 
> captions to pictures would also be a useful feature for us blind users. I 
> also like some of the new features being added for the Airpod Pros.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: 'Devin Prater' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 8:04 PM
> To: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur
>  
> See this page: iOS features
>  
> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
> another secret.” Or something.
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com
> Https://devinprater.github.io
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>  
> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
> about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
> unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and 
> if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover 
> accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and 
> email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
> Mary
> 
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RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-23 Thread Richard Turner 
The public beta is not out yet.
Someone on this list has gotten invites privately and cannot share that link.
Another list posted a link to beta profiles for developers that I guess someone 
has made available but that is a violation of Apple’s Non Disclosure Agreement, 
so I deleted that email.
Usually it is the month after the WWDC before the public betas are available.

You could try going to https://beta.apple.com/sp/betaprogram/
And see if you can sign up.



Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 1:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

Richard,
Did you post a link to the Beta 14 for IOS? I can’t seem to find the post so 
can’t remember if it was on this list or another. Could you please post again? 
I want to give it a try on my IPod  I know it is not supposed to be available 
until July but...
Thanks
Marie

From: Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 7:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

>From Blind Bargains today:
#WWDC: VoiceOver Gains New Image Description Capabilities among other Changes
J.J. 
Meddaugh
 Jun 22, 2020 7:25 PM ET


Like just about everything else these days, Apple's worldwide developers 
conference has switched to a virtual format for 2020. But a variety of new 
features have been announced across Apple's line of devices, including some new 
VoiceOver improvements.
While few details have been shared, VoiceOver appears to be gaining several 
features to help navigate apps and web pages which may be lacking proper 
accessibility support. Apple will try to identify controls that are not 
properly labeled, and also provide more verbose descriptions for images, 
including images on websites.
Outside of VoiceOver, Siri claims to be able to answer more questions with 
direct answers, instead of the classic "I can search the web for that" 
response. You can also send audio messages directly from Siri, or send your ETA 
to someone.
Apple grabs one of Android's top features in on-device dictation, useful on an 
airplane or another location where Internet access may be spotty. Speaking of 
Android features, iOS is gaining new ways to organize apps, and enhanced 
support for app widgets.
In messages, you can now pin up to nine conversations to the top of the screen 
for easy access. And the most important feature of all, a new face covering 
option for your Memoji.
There of course is a lot more than this. You can watch the 
keynote
 or [view a near-complete list of new features from 
Apple..'(https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-14-preview/features/)
 Here are the specific features listed under the accessibility heading:

VoiceOver Recognition

On-device intelligence recognizes key elements displayed on your screen to add 
VoiceOver support for app and web experiences that don t have accessibility 
support built in.

VoiceOver Recognition: Image descriptions

VoiceOver reads complete-sentence descriptions of images and photos within apps 
and on the web.

VoiceOver Recognition: Text recognition

VoiceOver speaks the text it identifies within images and photos.

VoiceOver Recognition: Screen recognition

VoiceOver automatically detects interface controls to aid in navigating your 
apps, making them more accessible.

Headphone Accommodations

This new accessibility feature is designed to amplify soft sounds and adjust 
certain frequencies for an individual s hearing, to help music, movies, phone 
calls, and podcasts sound more crisp and clear. Headphone Accommodations also 
supports Transparency mode on AirPods Pro, making quiet voices more audible and 
tuning the sounds of your environment to your hearing needs.
Source: WWDC

Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-23 Thread Marie 
Richard,
Did you post a link to the Beta 14 for IOS? I can’t seem to find the post so 
can’t remember if it was on this list or another. Could you please post again? 
I want to give it a try on my IPod  I know it is not supposed to be available 
until July but...
Thanks
Marie

From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 7:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

>From Blind Bargains today:

#WWDC: VoiceOver Gains New Image Description Capabilities among other Changes
J.J. Meddaugh Jun 22, 2020 7:25 PM ET

 

Like just about everything else these days, Apple's worldwide developers 
conference has switched to a virtual format for 2020. But a variety of new 
features have been announced across Apple's line of devices, including some new 
VoiceOver improvements.
While few details have been shared, VoiceOver appears to be gaining several 
features to help navigate apps and web pages which may be lacking proper 
accessibility support. Apple will try to identify controls that are not 
properly labeled, and also provide more verbose descriptions for images, 
including images on websites.
Outside of VoiceOver, Siri claims to be able to answer more questions with 
direct answers, instead of the classic "I can search the web for that" 
response. You can also send audio messages directly from Siri, or send your ETA 
to someone.
Apple grabs one of Android's top features in on-device dictation, useful on an 
airplane or another location where Internet access may be spotty. Speaking of 
Android features, iOS is gaining new ways to organize apps, and enhanced 
support for app widgets.
In messages, you can now pin up to nine conversations to the top of the screen 
for easy access. And the most important feature of all, a new face covering 
option for your Memoji.
There of course is a lot more than this. You can watch the keynote or [view a 
near-complete list of new features from 
Apple..'(https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-14-preview/features/) Here are the 
specific features listed under the accessibility heading:

VoiceOver Recognition
On-device intelligence recognizes key elements displayed on your screen to add 
VoiceOver support for app and web experiences that don t have accessibility 
support built in.

VoiceOver Recognition: Image descriptions
VoiceOver reads complete-sentence descriptions of images and photos within apps 
and on the web.

VoiceOver Recognition: Text recognition
VoiceOver speaks the text it identifies within images and photos.

VoiceOver Recognition: Screen recognition
VoiceOver automatically detects interface controls to aid in navigating your 
apps, making them more accessible.

Headphone Accommodations
This new accessibility feature is designed to amplify soft sounds and adjust 
certain frequencies for an individual s hearing, to help music, movies, phone 
calls, and podcasts sound more crisp and clear. Headphone Accommodations also 
supports Transparency mode on AirPods Pro, making quiet voices more audible and 
tuning the sounds of your environment to your hearing needs.

Source: WWDC Keynote

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chalt...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

 

I didn’t read anything that said they would force you to organize your apps in 
a particular way. It seems like Apple is giving you more options on how to 
organize your apps and manage your home pages and not taking options away from 
people.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Gmail

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kathy 
Brandt
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 3:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

 

I’m concerned over what they are proposing for app organization: I want to 
organize my apps the way I think they should be organized, rather than how they 
think they should be. I skip page one with the widgets, meaning the rest of my 
apps are on three pages, arranged in folders, with the apps in each being in 
alphabetical order.

 

 

 

  On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:01 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

  

  Wow, with an app launcher, being able to place widgets on any screen 
whatsoever, and being able to set my default web browser and email client I’ll 
get some of the things I mis most from Android. I’d think adding captions to 
pictures would also be a useful feature for us blind users. I also like some of 
the new features being added for the

Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-23 Thread Davy Cuppens 

Where they unable to fix it or rather reluctant to do so? I fear the last.
Maybe because too few visually impaired people make reports to Apple about 
our bugs.


-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: Alan Lemly

Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 5:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

Mary,

I'd be very surprised if iOS 14 corrects the native Mail app focus issue if 
they were unable to correct it through the multiple iterations of iOS 13. 
Fortunately, Outlook for iOS is working great for me and doesn't have the 
focus issue so I'm done with the native Mail app.


Alan Lemly

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mary Otten

Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 6:39 PM
To: VIPhone via; macvisionar...@googlegroups.com
Subject: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That�s 
not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don�t 
announce. I haven�t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, 
and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding 
voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus 
bug and email would be my number one, and that�s not a new problem.

Mary

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RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-23 Thread Richard Turner 
>From Blind Bargains today:
#WWDC: VoiceOver Gains New Image Description Capabilities among other Changes
J.J. Meddaugh Jun 22, 2020 
7:25 PM ET


Like just about everything else these days, Apple's worldwide developers 
conference has switched to a virtual format for 2020. But a variety of new 
features have been announced across Apple's line of devices, including some new 
VoiceOver improvements.
While few details have been shared, VoiceOver appears to be gaining several 
features to help navigate apps and web pages which may be lacking proper 
accessibility support. Apple will try to identify controls that are not 
properly labeled, and also provide more verbose descriptions for images, 
including images on websites.
Outside of VoiceOver, Siri claims to be able to answer more questions with 
direct answers, instead of the classic "I can search the web for that" 
response. You can also send audio messages directly from Siri, or send your ETA 
to someone.
Apple grabs one of Android's top features in on-device dictation, useful on an 
airplane or another location where Internet access may be spotty. Speaking of 
Android features, iOS is gaining new ways to organize apps, and enhanced 
support for app widgets.
In messages, you can now pin up to nine conversations to the top of the screen 
for easy access. And the most important feature of all, a new face covering 
option for your Memoji.
There of course is a lot more than this. You can watch the 
keynote or [view a near-complete 
list of new features from 
Apple..'(https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-14-preview/features/) Here are the 
specific features listed under the accessibility heading:

VoiceOver Recognition

On-device intelligence recognizes key elements displayed on your screen to add 
VoiceOver support for app and web experiences that don t have accessibility 
support built in.

VoiceOver Recognition: Image descriptions

VoiceOver reads complete-sentence descriptions of images and photos within apps 
and on the web.

VoiceOver Recognition: Text recognition

VoiceOver speaks the text it identifies within images and photos.

VoiceOver Recognition: Screen recognition

VoiceOver automatically detects interface controls to aid in navigating your 
apps, making them more accessible.

Headphone Accommodations

This new accessibility feature is designed to amplify soft sounds and adjust 
certain frequencies for an individual s hearing, to help music, movies, phone 
calls, and podcasts sound more crisp and clear. Headphone Accommodations also 
supports Transparency mode on AirPods Pro, making quiet voices more audible and 
tuning the sounds of your environment to your hearing needs.
Source: WWDC Keynote


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I didn’t read anything that said they would force you to organize your apps in 
a particular way. It seems like Apple is giving you more options on how to 
organize your apps and manage your home pages and not taking options away from 
people.

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I’m concerned over what they are proposing for app organization: I want to 
organize my apps the way I think they should be organized, rather than how they 
think they should be. I skip page one with the widgets, meaning the rest of my 
apps are on three pages, arranged in folders, with the apps in each being in 
alphabetical order.



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Wow, with an app launcher, being able to place widgets on any screen 
whatsoever, and being able to set my default web browser and email client I’ll 
get some of the things I mis most from Android. I’d think adding captions to 
pictures would also be a useful feature for us blind users. I also like some of 
the new features being added for the Airpod Pros.

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Chaltain at Gmail

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2020-06-23 Thread chaltain 
I didn’t read anything that said they would force you to organize your apps in 
a particular way. It seems like Apple is giving you more options on how to 
organize your apps and manage your home pages and not taking options away from 
people.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

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I’m concerned over what they are proposing for app organization: I want to 
organize my apps the way I think they should be organized, rather than how they 
think they should be. I skip page one with the widgets, meaning the rest of my 
apps are on three pages, arranged in folders, with the apps in each being in 
alphabetical order.

 

 





On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:01 AM, chalt...@gmail.com   
wrote:



Wow, with an app launcher, being able to place widgets on any screen 
whatsoever, and being able to set my default web browser and email client I’ll 
get some of the things I mis most from Android. I’d think adding captions to 
pictures would also be a useful feature for us blind users. I also like some of 
the new features being added for the Airpod Pros.

 

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Chaltain at Gmail

 

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See this page: iOS features 
 

 

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
another secret.” Or something.

Devin Prater

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Https://devinprater.github.io






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In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t announce. 
I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech articles I have 
read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and if anyone knows 
of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover accessibility. I 
can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and email would be my 
number one, and that’s not a new problem.
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2020-06-23 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
I’d suggest not jumping to conclusions,
We only got to see / hear about the new features, I’m sure they have things 
planned for those that don’t want to jump yet in to the change.


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I’m concerned over what they are proposing for app organization: I want to 
organize my apps the way I think they should be organized, rather than how they 
think they should be. I skip page one with the widgets, meaning the rest of my 
apps are on three pages, arranged in folders, with the apps in each being in 
alphabetical order.




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Wow, with an app launcher, being able to place widgets on any screen 
whatsoever, and being able to set my default web browser and email client I’ll 
get some of the things I mis most from Android. I’d think adding captions to 
pictures would also be a useful feature for us blind users. I also like some of 
the new features being added for the Airpod Pros.

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See this page: iOS features

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
another secret.” Or something.
Devin Prater
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In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
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unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t announce. 
I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech articles I have 
read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and if anyone knows 
of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover accessibility. I 
can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and email would be my 
number one, and that’s not a new problem.
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2020-06-23 Thread Kathy Brandt 
I’m concerned over what they are proposing for app organization: I want to 
organize my apps the way I think they should be organized, rather than how they 
think they should be. I skip page one with the widgets, meaning the rest of my 
apps are on three pages, arranged in folders, with the apps in each being in 
alphabetical order.



> On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:01 AM, chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Wow, with an app launcher, being able to place widgets on any screen 
> whatsoever, and being able to set my default web browser and email client 
> I’ll get some of the things I mis most from Android. I’d think adding 
> captions to pictures would also be a useful feature for us blind users. I 
> also like some of the new features being added for the Airpod Pros.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Gmail
>  
> From: 'Devin Prater' via VIPhone  
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>  
> See this page: iOS features
>  
> Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
> braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
> another secret.” Or something.
> Devin Prater
> d.pra...@me.com
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> 
> 
> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
> about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
> unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and 
> if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover 
> accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and 
> email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
> Mary
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RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-23 Thread chaltain 
Wow, with an app launcher, being able to place widgets on any screen 
whatsoever, and being able to set my default web browser and email client I’ll 
get some of the things I mis most from Android. I’d think adding captions to 
pictures would also be a useful feature for us blind users. I also like some of 
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See this page: iOS features 
 

 

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
another secret.” Or something.

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In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
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unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t announce. 
I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech articles I have 
read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and if anyone knows 
of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover accessibility. I 
can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and email would be my 
number one, and that’s not a new problem.
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RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Simon A Fogarty 
I’m watching it now from my apple tv 4k using the apple tv app,

I can’t see anything out of place as yet as they have AD included in the 
presetation

I’ve got to watch the entire thing to see what might be of interest in ios 14 
etc.

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I have not listened, but Jonathan Mosen did his normal review. Technology 
experts Anna Dresner and Michael Feir join Jonathan Mosen and Heidi Taylor to 
discuss the WWDC keynote from a blindness perspective. 
https://overcast.fm/+E0zDaachs



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read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and if anyone knows 
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number one, and that’s not a new problem.
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RE: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Alan Lemly 
Mary,

I'd be very surprised if iOS 14 corrects the native Mail app focus issue if 
they were unable to correct it through the multiple iterations of iOS 13. 
Fortunately, Outlook for iOS is working great for me and doesn't have the focus 
issue so I'm done with the native Mail app.

Alan Lemly

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In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That�s not 
unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don�t announce. 
I haven�t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech articles I have 
read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and if anyone knows 
of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover accessibility. I 
can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and email would be my 
number one, and that�s not a new problem.
Mary

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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Mary Otten 
Thanks, richard. I didn’t even think Jonathan was in the business of doing 
reviews anymore. So I will definitely check this out.


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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  I have not listened, but Jonathan Mosen did his normal review. Technology 
> experts Anna Dresner and Michael Feir join Jonathan Mosen and Heidi Taylor to 
> discuss the WWDC keynote from a blindness perspective. 
> https://overcast.fm/+E0zDaachs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient 
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not 
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward 
> Herbert
> 
>>> On Jun 22, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely 
>> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s 
>> not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
>> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
>> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, 
>> and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding 
>> voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus 
>> bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
>> Mary
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Michael Feir 
There was absolutely no mention of new accessibility features in the
keynote this year. That's not alltogether bad given how much they added
last time which needed to be improved upon. Looking at the cessions
scheduled over the week which have been revealed so far, pickings are slim
for accessibility. There's a cession on using the VoiceOver custom rotor
capability. A couple of others deal with accessibility including one
dedicated to creating accessible apps on Big Sur. I have yet to see full
release notes on the various operating systems. That can often reveal
VoiceOver improvements not mentionned.

There was nothing accessibility related in the state of the platform
speech. That doesn't mean that there are no substantial accessibility
improvements. I suppose it does mean that there's unlikely to be any major
mind-blowing accessibility upgrades this time around. However, a number of
the new features discussed would certainly be of help to blind users.
Nothing struck me as particularly likely to be inaccessible to VoiceOver.

iOS13 saw a number of pretty largescale accessibility features added but
also saw a marked dip in quality control. Frankly, I'd be delighted if
things just worked and we weren't faced with any nasty bugs this time
around. I think it's actually pretty likely that iOS14 will be a much
smoother ride in that regard.

The game's not over yet. Often, more videos and cessions get added as these
things progress. Also, there are the Apple Design awards on June 29th.
Quite often, I've heard about accessible apps during those presentations.
There are also a ton of labs and appointments with Apple engineers with
nosy non-developers like me don't have accesss to. Those behind the scenes
discussions might well result in apps being made accessible after the
event. I intend to keep a close ear on things.


On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 8:09 PM Richard Turner 
wrote:

> I have not listened, but Jonathan Mosen did his normal review. Technology
> experts Anna Dresner and Michael Feir join Jonathan Mosen and Heidi Taylor
> to discuss the WWDC keynote from a blindness perspective.
> https://overcast.fm/+E0zDaachs
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> "He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass
> himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient
> hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not
> granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" -
> Edward Herbert
>
> On Jun 22, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>
> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely
> nothing about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise.
> That’s not unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they
> don’t announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the
> tech articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted
> person, and if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event
> regarding voiceover accessibility. I can certainly think of some things.
> Fix the focus bug and email would be my number one, and that’s not a new
> problem.
> Mary
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread 'Devin Prater' via VIPhone 
See this page: iOS features 

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
another secret.” Or something.
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
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> unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and 
> if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover 
> accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and 
> email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
> Mary
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread 'Devin Prater' via VIPhone 
See this page: iOS features 

Legends on Twitter tell of enormous Investiture, like AutoMagic panning for 
braille displays, and even more to come. Like Kelsier says, “There’s always 
another secret.” Or something.
Devin Prater
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> On Jun 22, 2020, at 6:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
> about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
> unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t 
> announce. I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech 
> articles I have read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and 
> if anyone knows of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover 
> accessibility. I can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and 
> email would be my number one, and that’s not a new problem.
> Mary
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Re: New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Richard Turner 
I have not listened, but Jonathan Mosen did his normal review. Technology 
experts Anna Dresner and Michael Feir join Jonathan Mosen and Heidi Taylor to 
discuss the WWDC keynote from a blindness perspective. 
https://overcast.fm/+E0zDaachs




Richard
"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass 
himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds 
among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to 
others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

On Jun 22, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
about anything new for Accessibility, voiceover or otherwise. That’s not 
unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t announce. 
I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech articles I have 
read. I wonder if anybody saw this with a sighted person, and if anyone knows 
of anything publicly shown at the event regarding voiceover accessibility. I 
can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and email would be my 
number one, and that’s not a new problem.
Mary

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New for voiceover and iOS 14 and Mac operating system big sur

2020-06-22 Thread Mary Otten 
In all the coverage of the online event today, I have seen absolutely nothing 
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unusual. But sometimes they show stuff on the slides that they don’t announce. 
I haven’t seen anything about Accessibility and any of the tech articles I have 
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can certainly think of some things. Fix the focus bug and email would be my 
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Mary

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