Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-29 Thread 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone 
Have just sent an email to Apple; I’m very curious to know why this should be 
happening. I wonder if we will ever know.

All the best
Angie

> On 27 Dec 2023, at 18:23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Angie, it would be very helpful if you could send an email to 
> accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and tell them that 
> you also experience this. Which watch do you have?
> You can even mention my name and that this has come on an email group for 
> Voiceover users and that you are confirming the same behaviour.
> Just make sure you also include the watch model you have.
>  
> From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep 
> focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>  
> Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to 
> them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep 
> focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> I agree.
> I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
> to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
> have to add an extra gesture to function.
> And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
>  
> I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
> for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
> described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, 
> others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the 
> double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when 
> my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, 
> I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it 
> probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to 
> add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
>  
> When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face 
> to feel a haptic version of the time.
>  
> When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to 
> feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic 
> time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.
>  
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
>  
> It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. 
> Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but 
> it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
>  
>  
>  
> From:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Tom 
> Rash
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
> To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-28 Thread 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone 
I have Watch 8.

All the best
Angie

> On 27 Dec 2023, at 18:23, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Angie, it would be very helpful if you could send an email to 
> accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and tell them that 
> you also experience this. Which watch do you have?
> You can even mention my name and that this has come on an email group for 
> Voiceover users and that you are confirming the same behaviour.
> Just make sure you also include the watch model you have.
>  
> From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone  
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:14 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep 
> focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious.
>  
> All the best
> Angie
> 
> 
> On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
>  
> Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to 
> them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep 
> focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> I agree.
> I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
> to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
> have to add an extra gesture to function.
> And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
>  
> I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
> for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
> described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, 
> others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the 
> double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when 
> my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, 
> I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it 
> probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to 
> add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
>  
> When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face 
> to feel a haptic version of the time.
>  
> When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to 
> feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic 
> time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.
>  
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
>  
> It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. 
> Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but 
> it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
>  
>  
>  
> From:viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Tom 
> Rash
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
> To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> It does not work consistently for me.  
> I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the fi

RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-27 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Angie, it would be very helpful if you could send an email to 
accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> and tell them that you 
also experience this. Which watch do you have?
You can even mention my name and that this has come on an email group for 
Voiceover users and that you are confirming the same behaviour.
Just make sure you also include the watch model you have.

From: 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone 
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2023 8:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep 
focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious.

All the best
Angie


On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to them 
it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep focus is 
on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

I agree.
I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
have to add an extra gesture to function.
And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/







On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others 
say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and 
tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep 
focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have 
tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably 
works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap 
when sleep focus is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to 
feel a haptic version of the time.

When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel 
minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, 
I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/









On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From:viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.





On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-27 Thread 'Angie Nutt' via VIPhone 
Nor for me: I find I have to triple tap for hours and minutes while in sleep 
focus; I don’t mind that but if it’s not supposed to do that, rather curious.

All the best
Angie

> On 25 Dec 2023, at 05:54, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to 
> them it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep 
> focus is on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> I agree.
> I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
> to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
> have to add an extra gesture to function.
> And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>  
> I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
> for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
> described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, 
> others say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the 
> double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when 
> my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, 
> I have tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it 
> probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to 
> add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
>  
> When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face 
> to feel a haptic version of the time.
>  
> When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to 
> feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic 
> time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.
>  
>  
> Richard, USA
> “Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores 
> it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
> -- Cedrick Bridgeforth
>  
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ <https://www.turner42.com/>
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
>  
> It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. 
> Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but 
> it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
>  
>  
>  
> From:viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Tom Rash
> Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
>  
> It does not work consistently for me.  
> I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
> tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  
> If voice over is turned off, it does not work.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>  
> A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
> again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas 
> others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.
>  
> On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good 
> consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. 
> First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the 
> email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture 
> exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any 
> exceptions:
>  
> Hello Sieghard,
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downward

RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
Except that according to Apple they can’t reproduce my issue, according to them 
it should simply be a double and triple tap regardless whether sleep focus is 
on r not and it is definitely not like that for me.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

I agree.
I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens 
to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures 
have to add an extra gesture to function.
And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.

Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others 
say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and 
tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep 
focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have 
tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably 
works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap 
when sleep focus is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to 
feel a haptic version of the time.

When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel 
minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, 
I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/







On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.




On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Earle 
I have the latest version of Watch OS, and I have an Apple Watch Ultra. Haptic time is very consistent for me. I would say it works 9 times out of 10. So I really can't complain about that.EarleSent from my iPhoneOn Dec 24, 2023, at 1:32 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:I agree.I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function.And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say
 they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now
 over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 

 


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.


 


When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


 



 


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 












On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:




 
It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 
It does not work consistently for me.  

I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  


If voice over is turned off, it does not work.








On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 


A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.


 


On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which
 I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:


 


Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same
 results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can
 escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585


 


The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at
 least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two

Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Richard Turner 
I agree.I find it mostly consistent. The sleep focus issue is similar to what happens to voiceover on the phone or wherever if Zoom is also on. A couple gestures have to add an extra gesture to function.And I copied that actually from the phone watch app under Clock haptic  time.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 10:18 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others say
 they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have tested and confirmed this now
 over and over for days on end and it probably works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap when sleep focus is on.
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 

 


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.


 


When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


 



 


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth
 
My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
 












On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:




 
It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 
It does not work consistently for me.  

I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  


If voice over is turned off, it does not work.








On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 


A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.


 


On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which
 I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:


 


Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same
 results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can
 escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585


 


The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at
 least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours
 and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I

RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
I assume you copied this from the Apple support article. The problem is that 
for Voiceover users the experience seems somewhat inconsistent, for some the 
described double and triple tab seem to work all the time and reliably, others 
say they can’t get it to work at all and as I explained, for me the double and 
tirple ta work very consistently during the day, but at night when my sleep 
focus kicks in I have to use a triple and quadruple tap. Once again, I have 
tested and confirmed this now over and over for days on end and it probably 
works for me 99% of the time, but with the excdeption of having to add 1 tap 
when sleep focus is on.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 10:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to 
feel a haptic version of the time.

When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel 
minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, 
I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.


Richard, USA
“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it 
on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”
-- Cedrick Bridgeforth

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/





On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.



On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Richard Turner 
When Apple Watch is in Silent Mode, tap and hold 2 fingers on the watch face to feel a haptic version of the time.When VoiceOver is on, double-tap to feel hours and minutes. Triple-tap to feel minutes only. below is the hint in the Watch app on the phone for haptic time, I assume the first part is referring to when voiceover is off.Richard, USA“Grandma always told us, “Be careful when you pray for patience. God stores it on the other side of Hell and you will have to go through Hell to get it.”-- Cedrick Bridgeforth My web site: https://www.turner42.com/ On Dec 24, 2023, at 9:56 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:







It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 1-finger double or triple tap.
 
 
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch


 
It does not work consistently for me.  

I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  


If voice over is turned off, it does not work.







On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

 


A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.


 


On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in which
 I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:


 


Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled and managed to get the same
 results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through troubleshooting, then they can
 escalate their findings to the appropriate teams for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585


 


The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this at
 least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 1 finger gives me hours
 and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a triple tap.


 


I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should definitely be something they take a closer look at.


 


I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I assume
 this could also have something to do with it.


 


Best regards,


Sieghard


 


 

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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Sieghard Weitzel 
It is of course normal that it won’t work with Voiceover turned off. Apparently 
there is a gesture for haptic time for non-Voiceover users, but it’s not a 
1-finger double or triple tap.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 5:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.


On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
The three and four taps work pretty reliably for me whether I have sleep mode 
on or not. I have an SE, and I do have sleep when wrist down set to on.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tom Rash
Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2023 7:01 AM
To: Viphone 
Subject: Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

It does not work consistently for me.
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.


On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard


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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Nicola Sanders 
Hi all,
I have a Series 7 Apple Watch (41 mm). I am still running Watch OS 9, as I 
gathered that there were some bugs with version 10.
I use Taptic Time frequently, and pretty consistently. I also have Sleep Focus 
enabled, but in my case this does not alter the number of taps required: 
regardless of the time, I always do a one-finger double tap for hours and 
minutes, and a one-finger triple tap for just minutes.
If I want the watch to remain silent, I turn speech off using a three-finger 
double tap, the same gesture as on the phone. Haptic Time works fine when 
speech is turned off. My watch is not an SE, by the way, it's the standard 
model. I hope this is helpful.
Best,
Nicky

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Dec 2023, at 13:24, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> This is wonderful feedback, my friend.  Thank you for posting.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:26 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch
> 
> A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
> again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas 
> others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.
> 
> On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good 
> consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. 
> First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the 
> email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture 
> exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any 
> exceptions:
> 
> Hello Sieghard,
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
> perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
> and managed to get the same results.
> If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
> recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support 
> team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern 
> through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the 
> appropriate teams for further investigation.
> You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
> article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585
> 
> The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
> tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
> start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced 
> this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all 
> is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 
> PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple 
> tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a 
> quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the 
> minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get 
> just minutes after a triple tap.
> 
> I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
> the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
> definitely be something they take a closer look at.
> 
> I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
> tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
> always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
> assume this could also have something to do with it.
> 
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
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RE: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread M. Taylor 
This is wonderful feedback, my friend.  Thank you for posting.

Mark


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2023 11:26 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas others 
had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.

On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good consistency, 
however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. First of all, here 
is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the email I sent them in 
which I asked for clarification as to which gesture exactly should work and 
what result to expect and whether there were any exceptions:

Hello Sieghard,
Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap for 
just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
and managed to get the same results.
If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support team 
to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern through 
troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the appropriate teams 
for further investigation.
You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
article: https://support.apple.com/HT209585

The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced this 
at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all is 
well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 PM or 
a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple tap with 
1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a quadruple 
tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the minutes in haptic 
time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get just minutes after a 
triple tap.

I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
definitely be something they take a closer look at.

I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
assume this could also have something to do with it.

Best regards,
Sieghard

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Re: Apple accessibility reply regarding haptic time on Apple Watch

2023-12-24 Thread Tom Rash 
It does not work consistently for me.  
I have S E version of the watch.  It seems like the first time I do a triple 
tap, it doesn’t work.  If I try it again, it usually works.  
If voice over is turned off, it does not work.

> On Dec 23, 2023, at 11:25 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> A few days ago the discussion about haptic time on the Apple Watch came up 
> again and a few people posted they could not get it towrk at all whereas 
> others had no issues and yet again others seemed to get mixed results.
>  
> On my new Apple Watch Ultra 2 I can use haptic time with very good 
> consistency, however, there is one oddity which sounds like it is a bug. 
> First of all, here is what Apple Accessibility said in their reply to the 
> email I sent them in which I asked for clarification as to which gesture 
> exactly should work and what result to expect and whether there were any 
> exceptions:
>  
> Hello Sieghard,
> Expected behavior with Taptic Time while VoiceOver is enabled is to use a 
> one-finger double tap to feel hours and minutes, or a one-finger triple tap 
> for just the minutes. This is with the screen locked.
> If the watch is awake, place your palm over the watch face to put it to sleep 
> or if Wake on Wrist Raise is turned on, turn your wrist downwards and then 
> perform the one-finger double tap. We tested this with a Sleep Focus enabled 
> and managed to get the same results.
> If you are receiving different results when trying these above steps, we 
> recommend partnering with a member of our AppleCare Accessibility Support 
> team to further troubleshoot. If they are unable to resolve the concern 
> through troubleshooting, then they can escalate their findings to the 
> appropriate teams for further investigation.
> You will find the contact information for the team in the following support 
> article:https://support.apple.com/HT209585
>  
> The reason why they mentioned sleep focus is because for me a 1 finger double 
> tap does absolutely nothing when my automatic sleep focus is on. It is set to 
> start at 10:30 PM and end at 7 AM and by now I have tested and reproduced 
> this at least 10 times. If I double tap the screen at 10:28 PM or 7:01 AM all 
> is well and haptic time vibrates the hours and minutes. If I do so at 10:31 
> PM or a minute or two before 7 AM the doubl e tap does nothing, but a triple 
> tap with 1 finger gives me hours and minutes consistently. In the sam eway a 
> quadruple tap during the time when sleep focus is on gives me just the 
> minutes in haptic time, of course when sleep focus is not on I already get 
> just minutes after a triple tap.
>  
> I plan to reach out to the support resources they mention in the arcticle in 
> the new year because unless some other setting causes this, it should 
> definitely be something they take a closer look at.
>  
> I would be very curious to know if others have to use a triple and quadruple 
> tap and if so, whether this is also in certain scenarious or whether it is 
> always so. Please make sure to also mention the watch model you have since I 
> assume this could also have something to do with it.
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>  
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