RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

2021-04-03 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
OK, thanks! I did listen to the Braillists podcast on UEB, and it sounded 
pretty simple! I probably needed to pay more attention! They were probably also 
stressing how similar UEB is rather than stressing the differences.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 5:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

HI,
You are not alone.
The Transition to UEB from Hadley is very good, but here are some pointers.

I started with learning UEB in 2015, or maybe 2014 when I knew it would be the 
default format after January of 2016.
It wasn’t until dealing with MBraile and their support of the UEB Hashtag, a 
couple months ago that I finally got it into my brain the difference.

UEB calls dots 3,4,5,6 the Number Indicator.  Because, in braille, a through j 
doubles as 1 through 0 so you have to have something that indicates it isn’t a 
letter but a number.

In print, that is no problem because numbers are already distinct.

So, the “number sign, or hanshtag” had to have a braille equivalent thanks 
muchly to all the social media stuff.  So, they adopted 4,5,6 then 1,4,5,6 as 
the Hashtag/Number sign.  If you were hash tagging a number, then it would be 
4,5,6, then 1,4,5,6, then 3,4,5,6.  Isn’t this fun?

In UEB, things like time, dates, etc., require a fresh number indicator after 
punctuation.  So to write 3:00 PM it would be dots 3,4,5,6, c, colon, then   
the number indicator again dots 3,4,5,6, then j j, PM.

If I remember correctly, currency doesn’t need the extra number indicator for 
the cents.  So write the dollar sign, dot 4, s, number indicator and your 
numbers, period cents.

I hope that helps,



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 2:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

Ah, OK, I see my problem. I was using 3,4,5,6 for the number sign. Even after 
reading your email the first time, I was still typing in 4,5,6 followed by 
3,4,5,6 and still not getting the number sign. Now that I’m typing 4,5,6 
followed by 1,4,5,6 it’s working just as you explained below! I’m no expert on 
UEB, but I’m surprised 3,4,5,6 isn’t the number sign.

OK, here’s another question. How do I type time in UEB? When I type 3,4,5,6 
followed by 12 followed by dots 2,5 for the colon and then a pair of j’s, I 
don’t get 12:00 but rather 12:jj. Maybe I need a pointer to some documentation 
on UEB!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 2:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

OK, I just tested with that setup.
The “number sign” or “Hashtag” is dots 4,5,6, then dots, 1,4,5,6.
Do that once, immediately followed by the words you want in your heading level 
1 and hit a hard return.
Do that number sign twice then the heading words for a heading level 2, and so 
on.
Make sure you get a hard return after the heading text.
Then, open the outline and set it to lowest level headings to confirm it worked.
Then, when you export it as rtf (which is what I recommend, the document will 
have those marked up as headings.

I haven’t made a thorough recording on walking through all of that, but there 
may be one on ApleVis.

HTH,



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C92daedd964e94e6c8dd408d8f6e6f483%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637530819091421499%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=b%2B7hP3JBTooYVOCJtu31%2BDma4RkakYPIHIyDOd5UxEg%3D=0>



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Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

I am using English UEB under the system heading in the braille settings for 
VoiceOver. I thought I mentioned this in my message, but I am trying it right 
now with Braille Screen Input on my iPhone.

BTW, later I want to try it with my K-380 and my Orbit Writer, but I’d like to 
start with Braille Screen Input.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chalt

RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

2021-04-03 Thread Richard Turner 
HI,
You are not alone.
The Transition to UEB from Hadley is very good, but here are some pointers.

I started with learning UEB in 2015, or maybe 2014 when I knew it would be the 
default format after January of 2016.
It wasn't until dealing with MBraile and their support of the UEB Hashtag, a 
couple months ago that I finally got it into my brain the difference.

UEB calls dots 3,4,5,6 the Number Indicator.  Because, in braille, a through j 
doubles as 1 through 0 so you have to have something that indicates it isn't a 
letter but a number.

In print, that is no problem because numbers are already distinct.

So, the "number sign, or hanshtag" had to have a braille equivalent thanks 
muchly to all the social media stuff.  So, they adopted 4,5,6 then 1,4,5,6 as 
the Hashtag/Number sign.  If you were hash tagging a number, then it would be 
4,5,6, then 1,4,5,6, then 3,4,5,6.  Isn't this fun?

In UEB, things like time, dates, etc., require a fresh number indicator after 
punctuation.  So to write 3:00 PM it would be dots 3,4,5,6, c, colon, then   
the number indicator again dots 3,4,5,6, then j j, PM.

If I remember correctly, currency doesn't need the extra number indicator for 
the cents.  So write the dollar sign, dot 4, s, number indicator and your 
numbers, period cents.

I hope that helps,



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 2:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

Ah, OK, I see my problem. I was using 3,4,5,6 for the number sign. Even after 
reading your email the first time, I was still typing in 4,5,6 followed by 
3,4,5,6 and still not getting the number sign. Now that I'm typing 4,5,6 
followed by 1,4,5,6 it's working just as you explained below! I'm no expert on 
UEB, but I'm surprised 3,4,5,6 isn't the number sign.

OK, here's another question. How do I type time in UEB? When I type 3,4,5,6 
followed by 12 followed by dots 2,5 for the colon and then a pair of j's, I 
don't get 12:00 but rather 12:jj. Maybe I need a pointer to some documentation 
on UEB!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 2:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

OK, I just tested with that setup.
The "number sign" or "Hashtag" is dots 4,5,6, then dots, 1,4,5,6.
Do that once, immediately followed by the words you want in your heading level 
1 and hit a hard return.
Do that number sign twice then the heading words for a heading level 2, and so 
on.
Make sure you get a hard return after the heading text.
Then, open the outline and set it to lowest level headings to confirm it worked.
Then, when you export it as rtf (which is what I recommend, the document will 
have those marked up as headings.

I haven't made a thorough recording on walking through all of that, but there 
may be one on ApleVis.

HTH,



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7C92daedd964e94e6c8dd408d8f6e6f483%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637530819091421499%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=b%2B7hP3JBTooYVOCJtu31%2BDma4RkakYPIHIyDOd5UxEg%3D=0>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

I am using English UEB under the system heading in the braille settings for 
VoiceOver. I thought I mentioned this in my message, but I am trying it right 
now with Braille Screen Input on my iPhone.

BTW, later I want to try it with my K-380 and my Orbit Writer, but I'd like to 
start with Braille Screen Input.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

Should have also asked, are you using Apple Braille Screen input as well as if 
you are using UEB.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site

RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

2021-04-03 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
Ah, OK, I see my problem. I was using 3,4,5,6 for the number sign. Even after 
reading your email the first time, I was still typing in 4,5,6 followed by 
3,4,5,6 and still not getting the number sign. Now that I’m typing 4,5,6 
followed by 1,4,5,6 it’s working just as you explained below! I’m no expert on 
UEB, but I’m surprised 3,4,5,6 isn’t the number sign.

OK, here’s another question. How do I type time in UEB? When I type 3,4,5,6 
followed by 12 followed by dots 2,5 for the colon and then a pair of j’s, I 
don’t get 12:00 but rather 12:jj. Maybe I need a pointer to some documentation 
on UEB!

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 2:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

OK, I just tested with that setup.
The “number sign” or “Hashtag” is dots 4,5,6, then dots, 1,4,5,6.
Do that once, immediately followed by the words you want in your heading level 
1 and hit a hard return.
Do that number sign twice then the heading words for a heading level 2, and so 
on.
Make sure you get a hard return after the heading text.
Then, open the outline and set it to lowest level headings to confirm it worked.
Then, when you export it as rtf (which is what I recommend, the document will 
have those marked up as headings.

I haven’t made a thorough recording on walking through all of that, but there 
may be one on ApleVis.

HTH,



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

I am using English UEB under the system heading in the braille settings for 
VoiceOver. I thought I mentioned this in my message, but I am trying it right 
now with Braille Screen Input on my iPhone.

BTW, later I want to try it with my K-380 and my Orbit Writer, but I’d like to 
start with Braille Screen Input.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

Should have also asked, are you using Apple Braille Screen input as well as if 
you are using UEB.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7Cf17a6be59ce344feec4008d8f6d519bf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637530742399715998%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=Qo4fOXISUxmq9evwNxBlPCUp%2Fzq6aQ8t9Rhg1gAoCo8%3D=0>



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Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Help with Voice Dream Writer

I’m playing around with Voice dream Writer, and I was wondering if there were 
any tutorials or places to go for help with the app.

Right now I’m trying to use it with Braille Screen Input, and this is probably 
more of a BSI question then a Writer question, but I can’t figure out how to 
insert a # (number sign) with BSI so I can mark something as a header in mark 
down.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

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RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

2021-04-03 Thread Richard Turner 
OK, I just tested with that setup.
The "number sign" or "Hashtag" is dots 4,5,6, then dots, 1,4,5,6.
Do that once, immediately followed by the words you want in your heading level 
1 and hit a hard return.
Do that number sign twice then the heading words for a heading level 2, and so 
on.
Make sure you get a hard return after the heading text.
Then, open the outline and set it to lowest level headings to confirm it worked.
Then, when you export it as rtf (which is what I recommend, the document will 
have those marked up as headings.

I haven't made a thorough recording on walking through all of that, but there 
may be one on ApleVis.

HTH,



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

I am using English UEB under the system heading in the braille settings for 
VoiceOver. I thought I mentioned this in my message, but I am trying it right 
now with Braille Screen Input on my iPhone.

BTW, later I want to try it with my K-380 and my Orbit Writer, but I'd like to 
start with Braille Screen Input.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

Should have also asked, are you using Apple Braille Screen input as well as if 
you are using UEB.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7Cf17a6be59ce344feec4008d8f6d519bf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637530742399715998%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=Qo4fOXISUxmq9evwNxBlPCUp%2Fzq6aQ8t9Rhg1gAoCo8%3D=0>



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Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Help with Voice Dream Writer

I'm playing around with Voice dream Writer, and I was wondering if there were 
any tutorials or places to go for help with the app.

Right now I'm trying to use it with Braille Screen Input, and this is probably 
more of a BSI question then a Writer question, but I can't figure out how to 
insert a # (number sign) with BSI so I can mark something as a header in mark 
down.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

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RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

2021-04-03 Thread Christopher Chaltain 
I am using English UEB under the system heading in the braille settings for 
VoiceOver. I thought I mentioned this in my message, but I am trying it right 
now with Braille Screen Input on my iPhone.

BTW, later I want to try it with my K-380 and my Orbit Writer, but I’d like to 
start with Braille Screen Input.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Outlook

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

Should have also asked, are you using Apple Braille Screen input as well as if 
you are using UEB.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 12:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Help with Voice Dream Writer

I’m playing around with Voice dream Writer, and I was wondering if there were 
any tutorials or places to go for help with the app.

Right now I’m trying to use it with Braille Screen Input, and this is probably 
more of a BSI question then a Writer question, but I can’t figure out how to 
insert a # (number sign) with BSI so I can mark something as a header in mark 
down.

--
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Chaltain at Outlook

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RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

2021-04-03 Thread Richard Turner 
Should have also asked, are you using Apple Braille Screen input as well as if 
you are using UEB.



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 12:03 PM
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Subject: Help with Voice Dream Writer

I'm playing around with Voice dream Writer, and I was wondering if there were 
any tutorials or places to go for help with the app.

Right now I'm trying to use it with Braille Screen Input, and this is probably 
more of a BSI question then a Writer question, but I can't figure out how to 
insert a # (number sign) with BSI so I can mark something as a header in mark 
down.

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RE: Help with Voice Dream Writer

2021-04-03 Thread Richard Turner 
Are you using UEB?



Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 12:03 PM
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Subject: Help with Voice Dream Writer

I'm playing around with Voice dream Writer, and I was wondering if there were 
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Right now I'm trying to use it with Braille Screen Input, and this is probably 
more of a BSI question then a Writer question, but I can't figure out how to 
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