RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I get this as well at times, but for the nmost part there does seem to be some 
sort of learning/memory going on if I call somebody and have to specify which 
phone, often the next time it will default to that.

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Alfaro
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 6:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse 
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my wife 
who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my request 
and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile which is 
definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots of other 
examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be necessary at 
all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

It doesn't matter if it has been reported, if you have this issue you should 
report it because if only 1 person reports it Apple will probably pay little 
attention to it. If 100 people report it maybe it gets higher priority.
This does happen for me at times or at least it used to, now not so much any 
more, but usually if you wait it will restart after it beeps, at least for me 
it usually does. Actually in the beginning it would sometiems just say "You 
said" and then it would beep, but then it would go again if I didn't touch the 
screen and the second time around  it would usually read the entire message and 
then ask if I wanted to send it.
As a final thought, any time I have to send a slightly longer message or one 
which I know will contain words or names Siri is likely to get wrong and where 
I have to edit them, I usually open Messages or Mail or whatever app and use 
dictation because I can then dictate in smaller portions of text and I find it 
is a lot quicker to edit something.

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Robles
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 1:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I hate it when siri doesn't finish confirmation of messages I send to people, 
it beeps prior and cuts itself off midsentence so I feel I have to manually 
send it either using dictation or braille screen input. It’s been doing that 
ever since I upgraded to iOS 17 and I have iOS 17.1 now. Any Anybody having 
this issue where Siri cuts itself off? Are there any solutions around it? Has 
Has this bug been reported to Apple?
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2023, at 11:36 AM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hmm, Siri the dumbest and the most expensive, where did I see that? Oh yes, 
> Las Vegas! Viva Las Vegas!
> 
> Best,
> Leo Bado
> 
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> Elbert Hubbard
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Dave Grossoehme]

I've had Alexa start telling me about something that we are talking 
about, when she hasn't even spoken to.  Her name was not referenced in 
anyway.  I've also had the Googgle Pod start copying me or start singing 
a song on the spoken subject.  In which case that is worse than the 
dumbest of Seri.


Dave


On 10/26/2023 10:28 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set up called 
"Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start Carol's timer," 
and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which is what we 
get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean Artificial!


  




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Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:

Hi Group,

I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I learned 
to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders and so on. 
Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone calls, I add 
all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only time I ever use 
Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri 
never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.



On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
others.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says uh-oh 
there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can open 
it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung device 
opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple 
really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get 
your stuff together Apple.
Sent from my iPhone


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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Evan Reese]

Actually, I don't use Siri for opening apps either. I just tried it 
yesterday for the first time after reading some of the posts here about 
people having problems and it worked fine.


Evan


On 10/27/2023 12:21 PM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote:

I only use Siri to make phone calls and occasionally ask for the time
and weather.  Siri is working fine for me.  I never use her to open
apps.  I never saw the point when I can just go to the app I want and
open it.  I only have 3 pages of apps so it isn't that many to go
through.

On 10/27/23, Rick Alfaro  wrote:

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my
wife who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my
request and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile
which is definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots
of other examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be
necessary at all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while,
you get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an
app is in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If
Siri worked like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it
to open apps. But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and
give the precise name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this
one that one or another one, all in the same general app category. This
after I’ve stated something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the
so-called upgrade to 17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t
that much to regress from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple.
Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:

Hi Group,

I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I
find Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as
opening apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the
iPhone, I learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category
into folders and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,
text or phone calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts
list and the only time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the
addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her
call (998) 555-.
I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.



On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of
the others.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber
than before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app
Pedometer or StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask
that? Further, when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying
Pedometer, it says uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I
find it on my phone I can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind
the eight ball here.  My Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the
much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind
the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get your stuff together
Apple.
Sent from my iPhone


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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I only use Siri to make phone calls and occasionally ask for the time
and weather.  Siri is working fine for me.  I never use her to open
apps.  I never saw the point when I can just go to the app I want and
open it.  I only have 3 pages of apps so it isn't that many to go
through.

On 10/27/23, Rick Alfaro  wrote:
> Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse
> instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my
> wife who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my
> request and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile
> which is definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots
> of other examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be
> necessary at all.
>
>
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Rick Alfaro
> rick.alf...@gmail.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>
> I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while,
> you get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an
> app is in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If
> Siri worked like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it
> to open apps. But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and
> give the precise name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this
> one that one or another one, all in the same general app category. This
> after I’ve stated something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the
> so-called upgrade to 17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t
> that much to regress from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple.
> Get it together on Siri.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Group,
>>
>> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I
>> find Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as
>> opening apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the
>> iPhone, I learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category
>> into folders and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,
>> text or phone calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts
>> list and the only time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the
>> addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her
>> call (998) 555-.
>> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
>>
>>
>>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>>> Mary,
>>>
>>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>>>
>>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>>>
>>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in
>>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of
>>> the others.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>> Of Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>>> To: via VIPhone 
>>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>>>
>>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language
>>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber
>>> than before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app
>>> Pedometer or StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask
>>> that? Further, when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying
>>> Pedometer, it says uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I
>>> find it on my phone I can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind
>>> the eight ball here.  My Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the
>>> much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind
>>> the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get your stuff together
>>> Apple.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Evan Reese]

Now that's weird because I told her to open TuneIn yesterday twice, and 
she opened it without saying anything.


Also, I have told her to call a couple of numbers in my Contacts and she 
said that she was calling them, although her inflection does sound 
different in 17.1. But for the things I use her for, she's working here 
the same as before the update.


Evan

On 10/27/2023 9:25 AM, Rick Alfaro wrote:

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse 
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my wife 
who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my request 
and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile which is 
definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots of other 
examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be necessary at 
all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:

Hi Group,

I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I learned 
to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders and so on. 
Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone calls, I add 
all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only time I ever use 
Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri 
never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.



On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
others.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says uh-oh 
there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can open 
it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung device 
opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple 
really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get 
your stuff together Apple.
Sent from my iPhone


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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Richard Turner]

Actually, for the most part, I don't have issues with Siri.  I think the fact 
that the time it takes to get Siri's attention has increased a little.
If you use the side button or home button to get Siri, you have to keep it held 
in/down for a bit longer than before.
If you are using Siri or Hey Siri under 17, I've started just saying Siri and 
waiting for Siri to respond before making my request.  That way I know it is 
listening.




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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Rick 
Alfaro
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2023 6:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse 
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my wife 
who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my request 
and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile which is 
definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots of other 
examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be necessary at 
all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Mary. I have to say that I totally agree with you. Siri has gotten worse 
instead of better IMHO. Lately, one example is a simple request to call my wife 
who of course is in my contacts. I even specify mobile as part of my request 
and I still get which entry I want even though I specified mobile which is 
definitely one of the choices. So annoying. I'm seeing this in lots of other 
examples where I'm asked to make a choice when it should not be necessary at 
all.



Warmest regards,

Rick Alfaro
rick.alf...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Mike Arrigo]

I’m glad the Iphone I have still uses a physical sim card so I can easily 
switch between my Iphone SE and my Pixel 7, I do think Apple removed the 
physical sim tray too soon, currently there is no easy way to transfer your 
ESIM between an Iphone and Android without contacting the carrier. For most 
things both platforms are equal and the accessibility of Android has definitely 
come full circle. It’s good that we have the same choice as sighted people and 
that both platforms are accessible out of the box.

> On Oct 26, 2023, at 1:27 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> I agree entirely about how ridiculously limited Siri can be, but if you are 
> using an iPhone you take the bad with the good and that is no didfferent if 
> you have an Android phone. It' sup to you which platform has more good and 
> less bad.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 8:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
> 
> Frankly, Mark, it seems to me that they’ve all gotten stupider recently, 
> so-called AI not withstanding. I mean really. Alexa is worthless for sports. 
> You get all kinds of crap from that. Google Assistant well not so much. But 
> when I can’t get Siri to open an app on my phone without a big fat hassle, 
> that just takes the cake. Open Watch. Which watch app do you want Hulu or 
> YouTube or Watch? Well G. I said watch app. I didn’t say anything about Hulu 
> or YouTube. This crap is just ridiculous. Any assistant on a phone should be 
> smart enough to know when you’re asking it to open an app that you have on 
> your phone. Samsung phones have no problem with this. It’s just ridiculous. 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.  
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Mike Arrigo]

Out of the three major assistants, siri, google assistant and Alexa, siri is by 
far the most behind, both on a phone and on smart speakers. I still have my 
Iphone SE third edition and might go back to it but for the last month I’ve 
been using my Google Pixel 7 and the Google Assistant blows siri away, the 
assistance voice typing feature on the Pixel is also amazing.

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:56 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can 
> open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung 
> device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. 
> Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with 
> AI. Get your stuff together Apple. 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Carolyn Arnold]

I am cracking up, Sieghard, about your devices and far away ones responding. 

Today, I Facetime called my daughter-in-law to show her my haircut. When I got 
off, I told my son, as we drove down the highway that Jim's daughter said I 
could call her Facetime, all I had to do was say, Siri, call Beth. The next 
thing I knew we could hear my phone ringing in my purse. My son, said it did. I 
hung it up, but Jim's daughter called. I told her what happened, and we got a 
laugh out of it. At least, we know that works, only I didn't say Call Beth 
Facetime, but I did say call Beth, and it did. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

And for us with both Alexa and google smart speakers in the house, it's amazing 
how I am sometimes in the kitchen where we have one of the Google speakers with 
a display and I am 5 feet away from it and speak in the direction of the 
speaker and I ask something and next thing the Nest Mini in the living room 
replies even though it's 15 feet away and completely around a corner and wall, 
same happens sometimes with Alexa, we have an Echo Dot 4th gen in the bedroom 
and may say something and instead I hear the Sonos One speakers in the bathroom 
reply and that has happened with the bathroom door closed.
I recently read on a Sonos Facebook gtroup that adding Alexa to Sonos makes it 
less reliable, not sure if that really is so, but maybe it is.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have noticed in recent weeks that Alexa is really not listening as well 
sometimes.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set 
up called "Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start 
Carol's timer," and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which 
is what we get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean 
Artificial!


 



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Laury, 
Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contac

Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[CHELA Robles]

I hate it when siri doesn't finish confirmation of messages I send to people, 
it beeps prior and cuts itself off midsentence so I feel I have to manually 
send it either using dictation or braille screen input. It’s been doing that 
ever since I upgraded to iOS 17 and I have iOS 17.1 now. Any Anybody having 
this issue where Siri cuts itself off? Are there any solutions around it? Has 
Has this bug been reported to Apple?
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 26, 2023, at 11:36 AM, leobado1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hmm, Siri the dumbest and the most expensive, where did I see that? Oh yes, 
> Las Vegas! Viva Las Vegas!
> 
> Best,
> Leo Bado
> 
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> Elbert Hubbard
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[leobado1982]

Hmm, Siri the dumbest and the most expensive, where did I see that? Oh yes, Las 
Vegas! Viva Las Vegas!

Best,
 Leo Bado

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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Laury, Shawnese (LEO)]

This happens to us a lot where you think the closest device will respond but it 
is the one furtherst away. Just glad that one of them is responding LOL. I just 
understand that with technology as a lot of other things, that nothing is 
perfect and at times there are going to be glitches.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 1:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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And for us with both Alexa and google smart speakers in the house, it's amazing 
how I am sometimes in the kitchen where we have one of the Google speakers with 
a display and I am 5 feet away from it and speak in the direction of the 
speaker and I ask something and next thing the Nest Mini in the living room 
replies even though it's 15 feet away and completely around a corner and wall, 
same happens sometimes with Alexa, we have an Echo Dot 4th gen in the bedroom 
and may say something and instead I hear the Sonos One speakers in the bathroom 
reply and that has happened with the bathroom door closed.
I recently read on a Sonos Facebook gtroup that adding Alexa to Sonos makes it 
less reliable, not sure if that really is so, but maybe it is.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have noticed in recent weeks that Alexa is really not listening as well 
sometimes.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set 
up called "Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start 
Carol's timer," and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which 
is what we get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean 
Artificial!






Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Laury, 
Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I 

RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

And for us with both Alexa and google smart speakers in the house, it's amazing 
how I am sometimes in the kitchen where we have one of the Google speakers with 
a display and I am 5 feet away from it and speak in the direction of the 
speaker and I ask something and next thing the Nest Mini in the living room 
replies even though it's 15 feet away and completely around a corner and wall, 
same happens sometimes with Alexa, we have an Echo Dot 4th gen in the bedroom 
and may say something and instead I hear the Sonos One speakers in the bathroom 
reply and that has happened with the bathroom door closed.
I recently read on a Sonos Facebook gtroup that adding Alexa to Sonos makes it 
less reliable, not sure if that really is so, but maybe it is.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Corey 
Cook
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have noticed in recent weeks that Alexa is really not listening as well 
sometimes.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set 
up called "Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start 
Carol's timer," and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which 
is what we get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean 
Artificial!


 



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Laury, 
Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
>
>
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>>
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>>
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>>
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent

RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mary,

Since I doubt anybody at Apple who has anything at all to say is monitoring 
this list, complaining here does exactly 0 good whereas providing feedback in 
the long run may actually have an effect. Having said this, I use Siri to open 
apps as well and for some reason with my iPhone 13 Pro which also has iOS 17.1 
opening apps is not an issue. I just ttried 5 different apps one after another 
and each app opened quickly and without fail.
The ones I tried were the following along with what I said:

Watch app - open watch
Mail - open Mail
Sonos - open Sonos
Audible - open Audible
Facebook - open Facebook
RBC Royal Bank - open RBC
Smart HQ - open Smart HQ (for my GE induction range)
AS Home - open American Standard, this one can seem to not work because 
Voiceover calls the app "AS Home" but if you say "open AS Home" it either opens 
the Apple Home app 
or it wil say that it doesn't seem you have an app called "AS Home". But that 
is not Siri's fault if the Voiceover label reads one thing, but internally it's 
called something else.

By the way, are you using just your iPhone or do you have a headset connected 
when you make the request? Also, do you make sure to give it that extra second 
or so Siri seems to need these days to properly listen? I find the odd time 
something didn't work is when I spoke too quickly and Siri only caught part of 
what I said. For example, one situation where this easily happens is when I 
ask, for example, "Call John Smith". At times Siri will say something like 
"What would you like to know about John Smith" and that is entirely because all 
Siri heard was "John Smith" and the "Call" was spoken before Siri listened. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and 

RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Corey Cook]

I have noticed in recent weeks that Alexa is really not listening as well 
sometimes.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set 
up called "Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start 
Carol's timer," and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which 
is what we get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean 
Artificial!


 



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Laury, 
Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

CAUTION: This is an External email. Please send suspicious emails to 
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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
>
>
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>>
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>>
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>>
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>>
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from 

RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Richard Turner]

Siri is not the only dumb one out there.

We have timers set in Alexa for different things.

We have a lot of Sonos speakers in the house, the one in our bedroom does not 
have the microphone and so does not support Alexa.
IN our Kitchen we have two that do have the microphone and have one timer set 
up called "Carol's Timer" which is for steeping her tea.

This morning, standing in the kitchen next to the speaker, I said, "Start 
Carol's timer," and Alexa responded, "Bedroom doesn't support that."

This sort of thing happens at a similar frequency with Siri being dumb, which 
is what we get for depending on "Artificial Intelligence."  And I do mean 
Artificial!


 



Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Laury, 
Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 6:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

CAUTION: This is an External email. Please send suspicious emails to 
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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
>
>
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>>
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>>
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>>
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>>
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
> --
> Signature:
> For a nation to admit it has done grievous wrongs and will strive to 
> correct them for the betterment of all is no vice; For a nation to claim it 
> has always been great, needs no improvement  and to cling to its past 
> achievements is no virtue!
&g

RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Laury, Shawnese (LEO)]

I have had better luck when I use the word launch instead of open. I don't know 
why but sometimes it works

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2023 9:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

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I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
>
> Hi Group,
>
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
>
>
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>>
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>>
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>>
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>>
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
> --
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> correct them for the betterment of all is no vice; For a nation to claim it 
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Mary Otten]

I have folders too. I’ve been using iPhones for years. But after a while, you 
get more apps. And besides, even if you know precisely what folder an app is 
in, you still have to open the folder find the app and open it. If Siri worked 
like it should, it would be much more efficient to just use it to open apps. 
But even this morning, when I say Open such and such app and give the precise 
name, it comes back and asks me which app do you want this one that one or 
another one, all in the same general app category. This after I’ve stated 
something specifically. Anyway, this just started with the so-called upgrade to 
17.1. Feels like a regression to me.  And there wasn’t that much to regress 
from. I still prefer iOS to android. But really Apple. Get it together on Siri. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 9:52 PM, Ron Canazzi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Group,
> 
> I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I find 
> Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as opening 
> apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the iPhone, I 
> learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category into folders 
> and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in e-mails,  text or phone 
> calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the contacts list and the only 
> time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is if the addressee is not in my 
> contacts list.  Siri never misses when I ask her call (998) 555-.
> I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.
> 
> 
>> On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
>> Mary,
>> 
>> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
>> 
>> I have to admit, I agree with you.
>> 
>> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
>> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
>> others.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Otten
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
>> 
>> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
>> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
>> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
>> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
>> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
>> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I 
>> can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My 
>> Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, 
>> worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing 
>> to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I agree entirely about how ridiculously limited Siri can be, but if you are 
using an iPhone you take the bad with the good and that is no didfferent if you 
have an Android phone. It' sup to you which platform has more good and less bad.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 8:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

Frankly, Mark, it seems to me that they’ve all gotten stupider recently, 
so-called AI not withstanding. I mean really. Alexa is worthless for sports. 
You get all kinds of crap from that. Google Assistant well not so much. But 
when I can’t get Siri to open an app on my phone without a big fat hassle, that 
just takes the cake. Open Watch. Which watch app do you want Hulu or YouTube or 
Watch? Well G. I said watch app. I didn’t say anything about Hulu or YouTube. 
This crap is just ridiculous. Any assistant on a phone should be smart enough 
to know when you’re asking it to open an app that you have on your phone. 
Samsung phones have no problem with this. It’s just ridiculous. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
> 
> I have to admit, I agree with you.  
> 
> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
> others.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
> 
> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can 
> open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung 
> device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. 
> Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with 
> AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Ron Canazzi]

Hi Group,

I guess it depends on what you are using these automated helpers for. I 
find Siri better than Alexa or Curtana for general knowledge.  As far as 
opening apps, I do that myself. Early on when I first began using the 
iPhone, I learned to edit my home screen, group various apps by category 
into folders and so on. Even when using the contacts listing in 
e-mails,  text or phone calls, I add all regularly used addresses to the 
contacts list and the only time I ever use Siri to make calls/texts is 
if the addressee is not in my contacts list.  Siri never misses when I 
ask her call (998) 555-.

I almost never ask Siri to be involved at all in apps.


On 10/25/2023 11:18 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
others.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says uh-oh 
there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can open 
it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung device 
opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple 
really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get 
your stuff together Apple.
Sent from my iPhone



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On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 8:29:11 AM UTC+5 Mary Otten wrote:

> Frankly, Mark, it seems to me that they’ve all gotten stupider recently, 
> so-called AI not withstanding. I mean really. Alexa is worthless for 
> sports. You get all kinds of crap from that. Google Assistant well not so 
> much. But when I can’t get Siri to open an app on my phone without a big 
> fat hassle, that just takes the cake. Open Watch. Which watch app do you 
> want Hulu or YouTube or Watch? Well G. I said watch app. I didn’t say 
> anything about Hulu or YouTube. This crap is just ridiculous. Any assistant 
> on a phone should be smart enough to know when you’re asking it to open an 
> app that you have on your phone. Samsung phones have no problem with this. 
> It’s just ridiculous. 
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> > 
> > Mary,
> > 
> > You've got me smiling. Thank you.
> > 
> > I have to admit, I agree with you. 
> > 
> > I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
> comparison to Siri. It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
> others.
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: vip...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
> > To: via VIPhone 
> > Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
> > 
> > I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the 
> language rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even 
> dumber than before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app 
> Pedometer or StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask 
> that? Further, when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying 
> Pedometer, it says uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find 
> it on my phone I can open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight 
> ball here. My Samsung device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned 
> Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and 
> this has nothing to do with AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[Mary Otten]

Frankly, Mark, it seems to me that they’ve all gotten stupider recently, 
so-called AI not withstanding. I mean really. Alexa is worthless for sports. 
You get all kinds of crap from that. Google Assistant well not so much. But 
when I can’t get Siri to open an app on my phone without a big fat hassle, that 
just takes the cake. Open Watch. Which watch app do you want Hulu or YouTube or 
Watch? Well G. I said watch app. I didn’t say anything about Hulu or YouTube. 
This crap is just ridiculous. Any assistant on a phone should be smart enough 
to know when you’re asking it to open an app that you have on your phone. 
Samsung phones have no problem with this. It’s just ridiculous. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2023, at 8:18 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
> 
> You've got me smiling.  Thank you.
> 
> I have to admit, I agree with you.  
> 
> I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
> comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
> others.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.
> 
> I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
> rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
> before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
> StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
> when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says 
> uh-oh there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can 
> open it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung 
> device opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. 
> Apple really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with 
> AI. Get your stuff together Apple.
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

[M. Taylor]

Mary,

You've got me smiling.  Thank you.

I have to admit, I agree with you.  

I continue to be amazed at the power of Alexa and other assistants in 
comparison to Siri.  It's interesting since Siri existed before any of the 
others.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2023 7:56 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Siri continues to be the dumbest of all dumb assistance.

I just upgraded to iOS 17.1. I’m grateful for the post about the language 
rotor, which was unnecessarily unchecked. But now, Siri is even dumber than 
before. When I ask her to open Pedometer, it asks which app Pedometer or 
StepUp. I clearly said Pedometer. So why does it need to ask that? Further, 
when I reply to it stupid question which app by saying Pedometer, it says uh-oh 
there’s a problem. The app is there, and if I find it on my phone I can open 
it. Really Apple, you are really behind the eight ball here.  My Samsung device 
opens stuff just fine with the much-maligned Bixby. Siri, worthless. Apple 
really has fallen way behind the curve and this has nothing to do with AI. Get 
your stuff together Apple. 
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