Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe
Hi, For what it's worth there is actually some merrit behind this advice. Remember that changes in temperature cause things to expand / contract. If we look at a chip that's been soldered onto a PCB for example, leaving the device containing said PCB in a cold environment for an extended period of time may cause the PCB to become slightly deformed, which may result in one of the legs of the chip not making an overly good connection, in turn causing the device to malfunction. Cheers, Ben. On 2/8/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Where did you get this information from? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:11 AM Subject: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi all, I just learned this and thought I would share. When you buy an electronic device if it is cold, bring the device home and take it out of the box. Set it on something that is not metal, and leave it for an hour so that it can come up to room temperature. Once the hour is up it is pretty safe to plug the computer the device in and then charge it. If you charge it before it comes up to room temperature there could be damage caused from condensation or the item being too cold. This can sometimes damage or kill your device. God bless, Wren Langley -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe
While this is generally true, I once had a hard drive that wouldn't work until it had been the freezer for an hour. Needless to say I copied the data from it as soon as I could. Had to freeze it a few times to get it all. Tony -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi, For what it's worth there is actually some merrit behind this advice. Remember that changes in temperature cause things to expand / contract. If we look at a chip that's been soldered onto a PCB for example, leaving the device containing said PCB in a cold environment for an extended period of time may cause the PCB to become slightly deformed, which may result in one of the legs of the chip not making an overly good connection, in turn causing the device to malfunction. Cheers, Ben. On 2/8/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Where did you get this information from? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:11 AM Subject: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi all, I just learned this and thought I would share. When you buy an electronic device if it is cold, bring the device home and take it out of the box. Set it on something that is not metal, and leave it for an hour so that it can come up to room temperature. Once the hour is up it is pretty safe to plug the computer the device in and then charge it. If you charge it before it comes up to room temperature there could be damage caused from condensation or the item being too cold. This can sometimes damage or kill your device. God bless, Wren Langley -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators
RE: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe
I gotta ask. How did you figure out it had to be in the freezer, and for one hour, at that?! -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe While this is generally true, I once had a hard drive that wouldn't work until it had been the freezer for an hour. Needless to say I copied the data from it as soon as I could. Had to freeze it a few times to get it all. Tony -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi, For what it's worth there is actually some merrit behind this advice. Remember that changes in temperature cause things to expand / contract. If we look at a chip that's been soldered onto a PCB for example, leaving the device containing said PCB in a cold environment for an extended period of time may cause the PCB to become slightly deformed, which may result in one of the legs of the chip not making an overly good connection, in turn causing the device to malfunction. Cheers, Ben. On 2/8/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Where did you get this information from? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:11 AM Subject: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi all, I just learned this and thought I would share. When you buy an electronic device if it is cold, bring the device home and take it out of the box. Set it on something that is not metal, and leave it for an hour so that it can come up to room temperature. Once the hour is up it is pretty safe to plug the computer the device in and then charge it. If you charge it before it comes up to room temperature there could be damage caused from condensation or the item being too cold. This can sometimes damage or kill your device. God bless, Wren Langley -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe
Where did you get this information from? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:11 AM Subject: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi all, I just learned this and thought I would share. When you buy an electronic device if it is cold, bring the device home and take it out of the box. Set it on something that is not metal, and leave it for an hour so that it can come up to room temperature. Once the hour is up it is pretty safe to plug the computer the device in and then charge it. If you charge it before it comes up to room temperature there could be damage caused from condensation or the item being too cold. This can sometimes damage or kill your device. God bless, Wren Langley -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe
This was about 15 years ago and I had heard it from several sources, Kim Komando for one. I tried half an hour with no success then tried an hour. The drive was in a ziploc bag to limit condensation. I had a fan on it when connected for the same reason. I also had a system in my garage that got very cold at times. It took up to two hours to boot when the temp was down. I tried to leave it on all the time. Tony -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:08 PM To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' Subject: RE: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe I gotta ask. How did you figure out it had to be in the freezer, and for one hour, at that?! -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tony Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe While this is generally true, I once had a hard drive that wouldn't work until it had been the freezer for an hour. Needless to say I copied the data from it as soon as I could. Had to freeze it a few times to get it all. Tony -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 4:02 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi, For what it's worth there is actually some merrit behind this advice. Remember that changes in temperature cause things to expand / contract. If we look at a chip that's been soldered onto a PCB for example, leaving the device containing said PCB in a cold environment for an extended period of time may cause the PCB to become slightly deformed, which may result in one of the legs of the chip not making an overly good connection, in turn causing the device to malfunction. Cheers, Ben. On 2/8/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Where did you get this information from? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:11 AM Subject: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi all, I just learned this and thought I would share. When you buy an electronic device if it is cold, bring the device home and take it out of the box. Set it on something that is not metal, and leave it for an hour so that it can come up to room temperature. Once the hour is up it is pretty safe to plug the computer the device in and then charge it. If you charge it before it comes up to room temperature there could be damage caused from condensation or the item being too cold. This can sometimes damage or kill your device. God bless, Wren Langley -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is
Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe
Rather than googling, I'd rather get the source from the person who sent the information. It's always better to get information right from the horse's mouth rather than from a stable worker who heard it from the owner of the horse who heard it from, well, you get the idea. Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:43 PM Subject: Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi, you can Google it and find out all about it. God bless, Wren Langley Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote: Hi, For what it's worth there is actually some merrit behind this advice. Remember that changes in temperature cause things to expand / contract. If we look at a chip that's been soldered onto a PCB for example, leaving the device containing said PCB in a cold environment for an extended period of time may cause the PCB to become slightly deformed, which may result in one of the legs of the chip not making an overly good connection, in turn causing the device to malfunction. Cheers, Ben. On 2/8/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Where did you get this information from? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:11 AM Subject: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi all, I just learned this and thought I would share. When you buy an electronic device if it is cold, bring the device home and take it out of the box. Set it on something that is not metal, and leave it for an hour so that it can come up to room temperature. Once the hour is up it is pretty safe to plug the computer the device in and then charge it. If you charge it before it comes up to room temperature there could be damage caused from condensation or the item being too cold. This can sometimes damage or kill your device. God bless, Wren Langley -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list.
Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe
I don't understand this post. Googling tends to get you closer to the source, not further away from it. By way of example, how many posts have we seen on the list lately claiming that KNFB Reader Technology doesn't support the 4S, which is not the case, and is easily checked by Googling. Googling gets you closer to the source whereas hearsay on the list tends to get you further away from it. I'm not saying we shouldn't be posting questions and answers to the list, there are things you'll only find out by exchanging information on a list like this, but I think people our missing out on a great resource if they don't use Google. On 02/08/2015 09:39 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Rather than googling, I'd rather get the source from the person who sent the information. It's always better to get information right from the horse's mouth rather than from a stable worker who heard it from the owner of the horse who heard it from, well, you get the idea. Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:43 PM Subject: Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi, you can Google it and find out all about it. God bless, Wren Langley Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote: Hi, For what it's worth there is actually some merrit behind this advice. Remember that changes in temperature cause things to expand / contract. If we look at a chip that's been soldered onto a PCB for example, leaving the device containing said PCB in a cold environment for an extended period of time may cause the PCB to become slightly deformed, which may result in one of the legs of the chip not making an overly good connection, in turn causing the device to malfunction. Cheers, Ben. On 2/8/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Where did you get this information from? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:11 AM Subject: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi all, I just learned this and thought I would share. When you buy an electronic device if it is cold, bring the device home and take it out of the box. Set it on something that is not metal, and leave it for an hour so that it can come up to room temperature. Once the hour is up it is pretty safe to plug the computer the device in and then charge it. If you charge it before it comes up to room temperature there could be damage caused from condensation or the item being too cold. This can sometimes damage or kill your device. God bless, Wren Langley -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please
Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe
You can Google for info, but to be sure of accuracy, as in the case of the KNFB reader, the manufacturer is the best source. They, if anyone knows, should. So I ask for someone's source rather than looking through Google, where you may get several sources, some will be correct and others will be inaccurate. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 9:55 PM Subject: Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe I don't understand this post. Googling tends to get you closer to the source, not further away from it. By way of example, how many posts have we seen on the list lately claiming that KNFB Reader Technology doesn't support the 4S, which is not the case, and is easily checked by Googling. Googling gets you closer to the source whereas hearsay on the list tends to get you further away from it. I'm not saying we shouldn't be posting questions and answers to the list, there are things you'll only find out by exchanging information on a list like this, but I think people our missing out on a great resource if they don't use Google. On 02/08/2015 09:39 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Rather than googling, I'd rather get the source from the person who sent the information. It's always better to get information right from the horse's mouth rather than from a stable worker who heard it from the owner of the horse who heard it from, well, you get the idea. Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:43 PM Subject: Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi, you can Google it and find out all about it. God bless, Wren Langley Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote: Hi, For what it's worth there is actually some merrit behind this advice. Remember that changes in temperature cause things to expand / contract. If we look at a chip that's been soldered onto a PCB for example, leaving the device containing said PCB in a cold environment for an extended period of time may cause the PCB to become slightly deformed, which may result in one of the legs of the chip not making an overly good connection, in turn causing the device to malfunction. Cheers, Ben. On 2/8/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Where did you get this information from? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:11 AM Subject: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi all, I just learned this and thought I would share. When you buy an electronic device if it is cold, bring the device home and take it out of the box. Set it on something that is not metal, and leave it for an hour so that it can come up to room temperature. Once the hour is up it is pretty safe to plug the computer the device in and then charge it. If you charge it before it comes up to room temperature there could be damage caused from condensation or the item being too cold. This can sometimes damage or kill your device. God bless, Wren Langley -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at
Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe
IMHO, you should use multiple sources. For example, you can google and then use common sense to pluck out the accurate information. Googling on KNFB Reader and the iPhone 4S brings up sources like the KNFB Reader home page and the entry in the App Store, which you should obviously trust. Links to posts on other lists, blog articles, tweats and so on should be taken with a grain of salt. Asking people for their source of information is obviously OK, and in this case, I'm not sure the response to Google it was a very valuable response, but if I recall, the person said there source was that they heard about it from multiple sources, so again, you're back to Googling, if you really want more information on the topic. On 02/08/2015 10:42 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: You can Google for info, but to be sure of accuracy, as in the case of the KNFB reader, the manufacturer is the best source. They, if anyone knows, should. So I ask for someone's source rather than looking through Google, where you may get several sources, some will be correct and others will be inaccurate. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 9:55 PM Subject: Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe I don't understand this post. Googling tends to get you closer to the source, not further away from it. By way of example, how many posts have we seen on the list lately claiming that KNFB Reader Technology doesn't support the 4S, which is not the case, and is easily checked by Googling. Googling gets you closer to the source whereas hearsay on the list tends to get you further away from it. I'm not saying we shouldn't be posting questions and answers to the list, there are things you'll only find out by exchanging information on a list like this, but I think people our missing out on a great resource if they don't use Google. On 02/08/2015 09:39 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Rather than googling, I'd rather get the source from the person who sent the information. It's always better to get information right from the horse's mouth rather than from a stable worker who heard it from the owner of the horse who heard it from, well, you get the idea. Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:43 PM Subject: Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi, you can Google it and find out all about it. God bless, Wren Langley Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote: Hi, For what it's worth there is actually some merrit behind this advice. Remember that changes in temperature cause things to expand / contract. If we look at a chip that's been soldered onto a PCB for example, leaving the device containing said PCB in a cold environment for an extended period of time may cause the PCB to become slightly deformed, which may result in one of the legs of the chip not making an overly good connection, in turn causing the device to malfunction. Cheers, Ben. On 2/8/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Where did you get this information from? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:11 AM Subject: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi all, I just learned this and thought I would share. When you buy an electronic device if it is cold, bring the device home and take it out of the box. Set it on something that is not metal, and leave it for an hour so that it can come up to room temperature. Once the hour is up it is pretty safe to plug the computer the device in and then charge it. If you charge it before it comes up to room temperature there could be damage caused from condensation or the item being too cold. This can sometimes damage or kill your device. God bless, Wren Langley -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe
I agree. But saying that you heard something from various sources is how rumors get started, and the best way to prevent the spreading of misinformation, whether intentional or not, and I'm sure that it was not in this case, is to get the source from which he got it. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:53 PM Subject: Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe IMHO, you should use multiple sources. For example, you can google and then use common sense to pluck out the accurate information. Googling on KNFB Reader and the iPhone 4S brings up sources like the KNFB Reader home page and the entry in the App Store, which you should obviously trust. Links to posts on other lists, blog articles, tweats and so on should be taken with a grain of salt. Asking people for their source of information is obviously OK, and in this case, I'm not sure the response to Google it was a very valuable response, but if I recall, the person said there source was that they heard about it from multiple sources, so again, you're back to Googling, if you really want more information on the topic. On 02/08/2015 10:42 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: You can Google for info, but to be sure of accuracy, as in the case of the KNFB reader, the manufacturer is the best source. They, if anyone knows, should. So I ask for someone's source rather than looking through Google, where you may get several sources, some will be correct and others will be inaccurate. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 9:55 PM Subject: Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe I don't understand this post. Googling tends to get you closer to the source, not further away from it. By way of example, how many posts have we seen on the list lately claiming that KNFB Reader Technology doesn't support the 4S, which is not the case, and is easily checked by Googling. Googling gets you closer to the source whereas hearsay on the list tends to get you further away from it. I'm not saying we shouldn't be posting questions and answers to the list, there are things you'll only find out by exchanging information on a list like this, but I think people our missing out on a great resource if they don't use Google. On 02/08/2015 09:39 PM, Charles Rivard wrote: Rather than googling, I'd rather get the source from the person who sent the information. It's always better to get information right from the horse's mouth rather than from a stable worker who heard it from the owner of the horse who heard it from, well, you get the idea. Thanks. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 7:43 PM Subject: Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi, you can Google it and find out all about it. God bless, Wren Langley Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote: Hi, For what it's worth there is actually some merrit behind this advice. Remember that changes in temperature cause things to expand / contract. If we look at a chip that's been soldered onto a PCB for example, leaving the device containing said PCB in a cold environment for an extended period of time may cause the PCB to become slightly deformed, which may result in one of the legs of the chip not making an overly good connection, in turn causing the device to malfunction. Cheers, Ben. On 2/8/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Where did you get this information from? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:11 AM Subject: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi all, I just learned this and thought I would share. When you buy an electronic device if it is cold, bring the device home and take it out of the box. Set it on something that is not metal, and leave it for an hour so that it can come up to room temperature. Once the hour is up it is pretty safe to plug the computer the device in and then charge it. If you charge it before it comes up to room temperature there could be damage caused from
Re: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe
Hi, you can Google it and find out all about it. God bless, Wren Langley Sent from my iPhone On Feb 8, 2015, at 4:01 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose b...@benmr.com wrote: Hi, For what it's worth there is actually some merrit behind this advice. Remember that changes in temperature cause things to expand / contract. If we look at a chip that's been soldered onto a PCB for example, leaving the device containing said PCB in a cold environment for an extended period of time may cause the PCB to become slightly deformed, which may result in one of the legs of the chip not making an overly good connection, in turn causing the device to malfunction. Cheers, Ben. On 2/8/15, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: Where did you get this information from? --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Wren Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 10:11 AM Subject: FYI when you bring a new computer or iPhone or other electronic device home how to keep it safe Hi all, I just learned this and thought I would share. When you buy an electronic device if it is cold, bring the device home and take it out of the box. Set it on something that is not metal, and leave it for an hour so that it can come up to room temperature. Once the hour is up it is pretty safe to plug the computer the device in and then charge it. If you charge it before it comes up to room temperature there could be damage caused from condensation or the item being too cold. This can sometimes damage or kill your device. God bless, Wren Langley -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
