RE: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Well, I would agree fully if it was true for all displays, but that's not the case. Right now the worst ones to use to write on are the Humanware ones. I also don't have the best experience with the HIMS Braille Edge, but at least it takes it a while longer before it gets weird. Right now the Focus Blue from Freedom Scientific seems to handle things the best. At least the ones I have access to, it's the best so far. No delays, and it just works all around. I only wish I could reverse the panning buttons on the front, but that's more of a Freedom Scientific thing I suspect. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer Phone Voice/Text: 832.554.7285 Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Twitter: www.twitter.com/rau47 Web: www.raulgallegos.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Albriton Sent: April 07, 2015 4:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 I wish I could say otherwise, but writing in braille on a pc or on a dedicated notetaker, is a much happier experience than it is in iOS. this was not always the case and hopefuly this issue will be remedied with further updates. Brian On 4/5/15, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Brian -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Yes, writing braille on a PC is a much better experience, kind of like the experience you used to get with Mobile Speak in the old days. Too bad Apple, or Google for that matter, couldn't get that implimented. Honestly, if Android had better support for braille, I'd give it a serious look. Scott On 4/7/15, Brian Albriton autoharp...@gmail.com wrote: I wish I could say otherwise, but writing in braille on a pc or on a dedicated notetaker, is a much happier experience than it is in iOS. this was not always the case and hopefuly this issue will be remedied with further updates. Brian On 4/5/15, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Brian -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hi Raul, I agree the Focus displays are working beautifully in iOS. reverse panning is a feature of the screen reader's UI. For example, JAWS offers it in Braille Settings, but iOS does not. I guess it could be offered in the firmware potentially, but then you get into a situation where if it can be adjusted in both places, it can be quite difficult to troubleshoot. Jonathan Mosen Mosen Consulting Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org On 9/04/2015, at 1:56 am, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Well, I would agree fully if it was true for all displays, but that's not the case. Right now the worst ones to use to write on are the Humanware ones. I also don't have the best experience with the HIMS Braille Edge, but at least it takes it a while longer before it gets weird. Right now the Focus Blue from Freedom Scientific seems to handle things the best. At least the ones I have access to, it's the best so far. No delays, and it just works all around. I only wish I could reverse the panning buttons on the front, but that's more of a Freedom Scientific thing I suspect. -- Raul A. Gallegos Assistive Technology Trainer Phone Voice/Text: 832.554.7285 Email: r...@raulgallegos.com Twitter: www.twitter.com/rau47 Web: www.raulgallegos.com -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Albriton Sent: April 07, 2015 4:53 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 I wish I could say otherwise, but writing in braille on a pc or on a dedicated notetaker, is a much happier experience than it is in iOS. this was not always the case and hopefuly this issue will be remedied with further updates. Brian On 4/5/15, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Brian -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running
RE: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hello David. From the customer’s point of view, I don’t care who’s at fault. It takes two to tango. Humanware and Apple share responsibility for this solution. It’s up to both of them to work together to resolve this issue. I’m going to test with my wife’f focus 40. If all is well then I’ll reach out to the Brailliant Project manager. If that doesn’t work I’ll reach out to the CEO. The dialog needs to start and the problem needs to be resolved. Otherwise, the Blindness community may have false advertising claims against both companies. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 10:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 An interesting response. My understanding is Apple posts its braille display driver requirements. It also includes standard braille display drivers in the VO code. Considering how HumanWare has had problems in the past with buggy code and incompatible driver stack issues, I again will place the responsibility in their court on this one. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 7 Apr 2015, at 11:54, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net mailto:prhu...@att.net wrote: I believe that both companies are suffering from an emotional maturity problem. It's time that they stop blaming each other and take ownership. On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:22 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Considering HumanWare's history, I would suspect the problem is on HumanWare's end. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 7 Apr 2015, at 09:04, Jennie Facer jennie.fa...@gmail.com mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had the Brailliant too. I ended up trading it for a Focus 40 Blue because of the freezing problem. HumanWare said it was an Apple problem and Apple said it was a HumanWare problem. Every since I got the Focus, all is well. It sometimes will enter a character repeatedly like it gets stuck, but that is only happened three times so far. I wish I knew of a way to fix the Brailliant. It was a good little display! Jenn and Kumi On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM -0700, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net mailto:prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I really want to know how to prevent my Brailliant braille display from locking up while I'm writing? Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 9:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi Scott, If you turn on automatic braille translation, braille input will be just like before. Otherwise, press Space or Space with dots 4-5 to make the current word translate. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Scott Davert wrote: Hi Paul. Oh yes, I've had this issue, and it's a major one for me. In fact, I'm in the process of writing an article about this. I suspect, but can't confirm, that this feature was designed to allow a person to immediately see what they have typed, before it goes to the translator. Which is fine, I guess, if you're not confident in your braille typing, but it would be nice if this feature could be turned off so that it would go back to the old way of braille keyboard input. Scott On 4/6/15, Paul Hunt wrote: Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has not taken ownership of this issue. Has anyone else had issues with their braille displays or with Apple refusing to take ownership? Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hi. I suspect it's more of a software issue, not a hardware one. So I would suggest you trying before buying. Raul A. Gallegos Voice/Text: 832.554.7285 On Apr 6, 2015, at 11:59 PM, Gmail englishride...@gmail.com wrote: I also have a Braolliant BI 32, and I experience the freezing as well. Do you think if I got the Boum Vario Ultra that I would experience the same freezing issues? I know that from your message, these issues seem to happen most often with HumanWare displays, but I believe that HumanWare gets there hardware from Boum. Thanks, Ari On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: I can say for certain that as a trainer I have seen this problem happened with the humanware displays. The local representative from humanware over here in Texas is completely blaming apple. For my own personal experience and from what I have seen I believe that it is a humanware problem because this problem does not happen with other displays. Many traces the display will lock up almost immediately when you start typing in an edit feel like I messages are editing apps. Raul A. Gallegos Voice/Text: 832.554.7285 On Apr 6, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: I too am experiencing the Braille display hanging when trying to write in Voice Dream Writer and in AccessNote. There are some apps that I can write in with no problem, such as when writing an iMessage, but anytime I try to write in most apps my Focus 14 Blue display shows the for signs on either end and hangs. Hopefully the promises of fixes in 8.3 will take care of these annoyances. As it is, writing on the Braille display is far from enjoyable. For the record, I have automatic translation turned on and am using an iPhone 6 with iOS 8.2. Best, Wayne On 4/6/15, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anna. Unfortunatley, this does not always solve the probem, as turning automatic braille translation on was the first thing I did when installing 8. Especially when someone is typing on a bluetooth keyboard, the 8-dot full cell appears at each end of the display instead of tracking the text like it used to. Also, as others have reported, input is rather sluggish, particularly on devices older than the iPhone 6/6+. Also, the full cell still presents itself when in uncontracted 6-dot or 8-dot computer braille. What's even worse is this is also happening on Yosemite now also. Thanks! Scott On 4/6/15, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: The state of quicknav on my braille display is irrelevant. Either way, it still does it letter thing, and doesn't go to the reading winjow in bard mobile. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you'll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn't conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you're using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
I have had a Humanware display for quite some time, and just recently it has been having a lot of trouble maintaining a good bluetooth connection. Also, when I try to read certain publications through NFB Newsline app in particular, sometimes the panning to the next line takes so long, that it isn’t worth continuing to read. I have been reporting this to NFB and they say it is on Apple’s end. However, with each update to iOS, the problem continues. Again, as usual, the blame game between companies. On Apr 7, 2015, at 5:42 AM, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello David. From the customer’s point of view, I don’t care who’s at fault. It takes two to tango. Humanware and Apple share responsibility for this solution. It’s up to both of them to work together to resolve this issue. I’m going to test with my wife’f focus 40. If all is well then I’ll reach out to the Brailliant Project manager. If that doesn’t work I’ll reach out to the CEO. The dialog needs to start and the problem needs to be resolved. Otherwise, the Blindness community may have false advertising claims against both companies. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 10:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 An interesting response. My understanding is Apple posts its braille display driver requirements. It also includes standard braille display drivers in the VO code. Considering how HumanWare has had problems in the past with buggy code and incompatible driver stack issues, I again will place the responsibility in their court on this one. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 7 Apr 2015, at 11:54, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net mailto:prhu...@att.net wrote: I believe that both companies are suffering from an emotional maturity problem. It's time that they stop blaming each other and take ownership. On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:22 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Considering HumanWare's history, I would suspect the problem is on HumanWare's end. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 7 Apr 2015, at 09:04, Jennie Facer jennie.fa...@gmail.com mailto:jennie.fa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had the Brailliant too. I ended up trading it for a Focus 40 Blue because of the freezing problem. HumanWare said it was an Apple problem and Apple said it was a HumanWare problem. Every since I got the Focus, all is well. It sometimes will enter a character repeatedly like it gets stuck, but that is only happened three times so far. I wish I knew of a way to fix the Brailliant. It was a good little display! Jenn and Kumi On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM -0700, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net mailto:prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I really want to know how to prevent my Brailliant braille display from locking up while I'm writing? Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 9:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi Scott, If you turn on automatic braille translation, braille input will be just like before. Otherwise, press Space or Space with dots 4-5 to make the current word translate. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Scott Davert wrote: Hi Paul. Oh yes, I've had this issue, and it's a major one for me. In fact, I'm in the process of writing an article about this. I suspect, but can't confirm, that this feature was designed to allow a person to immediately see what they have typed, before it goes to the translator. Which is fine, I guess, if you're not confident in your braille typing, but it would be nice if this feature could be turned off so that it would go back to the old way of braille keyboard input. Scott On 4/6/15, Paul Hunt wrote: Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hi all. Yes, I have also noticed this with the Apex. However, it also seems to be occuring with the Refreshabraille and other displays from time to time, though not as frequently as it is happening with HW's stuff. I suspect it's a conflict between the braille Appple driver and several displays, for whatever reason, it is impacting HW more than the others. As for the question about the VarioUltra, it is a fairly stable connection relative to the other displays, but still locks up from time to time. However, the battery life, at least on the 20-cell model, is not what you get out of most displays. For example, with a day worth of average use by me, I get 2 days of use out of the Refreshabraille and about 3/4 of a day out of the VarioUltra. IN the middle, unless you're talking about prices, the u2 Mini I was able to get through a full day with some battery life. I have not played with the Focus enough to really comment on battery life. However, what I can say about the Focus is that, the 14 in particular, is very fragile. Of all the displays and people I've worked with, it has gone back for repair more than any other. The eight-dot full cell at the beginning and end of the display is not a display specific thing, it's the way VoiceOver has been instructed to do things in iOS 8 and later. I guess the folks at Apple put this feature in there to address the issue people were complaining about where they could not track their braille typing before it was fed through the translator. However, even when you set both input and output of braille to uncontracted, the stupid full cell is still there. This is a huge concern for people like myself who rely on others to type with bluetooth keyboards in very loud situations to communicate with people around me. The full cell even appears when a bluetooth keyboard user is typing. It really slows down the communication process. Scott On 4/7/15, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: Hi. I suspect it's more of a software issue, not a hardware one. So I would suggest you trying before buying. Raul A. Gallegos Voice/Text: 832.554.7285 On Apr 6, 2015, at 11:59 PM, Gmail englishride...@gmail.com wrote: I also have a Braolliant BI 32, and I experience the freezing as well. Do you think if I got the Boum Vario Ultra that I would experience the same freezing issues? I know that from your message, these issues seem to happen most often with HumanWare displays, but I believe that HumanWare gets there hardware from Boum. Thanks, Ari On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: I can say for certain that as a trainer I have seen this problem happened with the humanware displays. The local representative from humanware over here in Texas is completely blaming apple. For my own personal experience and from what I have seen I believe that it is a humanware problem because this problem does not happen with other displays. Many traces the display will lock up almost immediately when you start typing in an edit feel like I messages are editing apps. Raul A. Gallegos Voice/Text: 832.554.7285 On Apr 6, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: I too am experiencing the Braille display hanging when trying to write in Voice Dream Writer and in AccessNote. There are some apps that I can write in with no problem, such as when writing an iMessage, but anytime I try to write in most apps my Focus 14 Blue display shows the for signs on either end and hangs. Hopefully the promises of fixes in 8.3 will take care of these annoyances. As it is, writing on the Braille display is far from enjoyable. For the record, I have automatic translation turned on and am using an iPhone 6 with iOS 8.2. Best, Wayne On 4/6/15, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anna. Unfortunatley, this does not always solve the probem, as turning automatic braille translation on was the first thing I did when installing 8. Especially when someone is typing on a bluetooth keyboard, the 8-dot full cell appears at each end of the display instead of tracking the text like it used to. Also, as others have reported, input is rather sluggish, particularly on devices older than the iPhone 6/6+. Also, the full cell still presents itself when in uncontracted 6-dot or 8-dot computer braille. What's even worse is this is also happening on Yosemite now also. Thanks! Scott On 4/6/15, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: The state of quicknav on my braille display is irrelevant. Either way, it still does it letter thing, and doesn't go to the reading winjow in bard mobile. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
HumanWare has a history of complications with their BlueTooth driver stack having problems. I suspect this is a continuation of said issues. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 7 Apr 2015, at 23:47, Juliette Swiler jmswi...@samobile.net wrote: I have had a Humanware display for quite some time, and just recently it has been having a lot of trouble maintaining a good bluetooth connection. Also, when I try to read certain publications through NFB Newsline app in particular, sometimes the panning to the next line takes so long, that it isn’t worth continuing to read. I have been reporting this to NFB and they say it is on Apple’s end. However, with each update to iOS, the problem continues. Again, as usual, the blame game between companies. On Apr 7, 2015, at 5:42 AM, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello David. From the customer’s point of view, I don’t care who’s at fault. It takes two to tango. Humanware and Apple share responsibility for this solution. It’s up to both of them to work together to resolve this issue. I’m going to test with my wife’f focus 40. If all is well then I’ll reach out to the Brailliant Project manager. If that doesn’t work I’ll reach out to the CEO. The dialog needs to start and the problem needs to be resolved. Otherwise, the Blindness community may have false advertising claims against both companies. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 10:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 An interesting response. My understanding is Apple posts its braille display driver requirements. It also includes standard braille display drivers in the VO code. Considering how HumanWare has had problems in the past with buggy code and incompatible driver stack issues, I again will place the responsibility in their court on this one. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 7 Apr 2015, at 11:54, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: I believe that both companies are suffering from an emotional maturity problem. It's time that they stop blaming each other and take ownership. On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:22 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Considering HumanWare's history, I would suspect the problem is on HumanWare's end. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 7 Apr 2015, at 09:04, Jennie Facer jennie.fa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had the Brailliant too. I ended up trading it for a Focus 40 Blue because of the freezing problem. HumanWare said it was an Apple problem and Apple said it was a HumanWare problem. Every since I got the Focus, all is well. It sometimes will enter a character repeatedly like it gets stuck, but that is only happened three times so far. I wish I knew of a way to fix the Brailliant. It was a good little display! Jenn and Kumi On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM -0700, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I really want to know how to prevent my Brailliant braille display from locking up while I'm writing? Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 9:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi Scott, If you turn on automatic braille translation, braille input will be just like before. Otherwise, press Space or Space with dots 4-5 to make the current word translate. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Scott Davert wrote: Hi Paul. Oh yes, I've had this issue, and it's a major one for me. In fact, I'm in the process of writing an article about this. I suspect, but can't confirm, that this feature was designed to allow a person to immediately see what they have typed, before it goes to the translator. Which is fine, I guess, if you're not confident in your braille typing, but it would be nice if this feature could be turned off so that it would go back to the old way of braille keyboard input. Scott On 4/6/15, Paul Hunt wrote: Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has not taken ownership of this issue. Has anyone
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
I wish I could say otherwise, but writing in braille on a pc or on a dedicated notetaker, is a much happier experience than it is in iOS. this was not always the case and hopefuly this issue will be remedied with further updates. Brian On 4/5/15, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Brian -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
I've had that happen too, so annoying! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: From what I can tell, it totally freezes. I can touch other items on the screen but the display does not update. The only way to bring the display back is turning it off and then on, and then re-pairing with my phone. By re-pairing, I mean lock the phone, unlock the phone, and then wait for the display to make the pairing noise. I am glad to see that the display pairs a lot faster in iOS 8 than in iOS 7.1.X and earlier, I just wish these annoyances were taken care of. Wayne On 4/6/15, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Good to know, Wayne. Does it altogether freeze, or just take awhile to process your typing? Scott On 4/6/15, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: I too am experiencing the Braille display hanging when trying to write in Voice Dream Writer and in AccessNote. There are some apps that I can write in with no problem, such as when writing an iMessage, but anytime I try to write in most apps my Focus 14 Blue display shows the for signs on either end and hangs. Hopefully the promises of fixes in 8.3 will take care of these annoyances. As it is, writing on the Braille display is far from enjoyable. For the record, I have automatic translation turned on and am using an iPhone 6 with iOS 8.2. Best, Wayne On 4/6/15, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anna. Unfortunatley, this does not always solve the probem, as turning automatic braille translation on was the first thing I did when installing 8. Especially when someone is typing on a bluetooth keyboard, the 8-dot full cell appears at each end of the display instead of tracking the text like it used to. Also, as others have reported, input is rather sluggish, particularly on devices older than the iPhone 6/6+. Also, the full cell still presents itself when in uncontracted 6-dot or 8-dot computer braille. What's even worse is this is also happening on Yosemite now also. Thanks! Scott On 4/6/15, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: The state of quicknav on my braille display is irrelevant. Either way, it still does it letter thing, and doesn't go to the reading winjow in bard mobile. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you'll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn't conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you're using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you've pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
From what I can tell, it totally freezes. I can touch other items on the screen but the display does not update. The only way to bring the display back is turning it off and then on, and then re-pairing with my phone. By re-pairing, I mean lock the phone, unlock the phone, and then wait for the display to make the pairing noise. I am glad to see that the display pairs a lot faster in iOS 8 than in iOS 7.1.X and earlier, I just wish these annoyances were taken care of. Wayne On 4/6/15, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Good to know, Wayne. Does it altogether freeze, or just take awhile to process your typing? Scott On 4/6/15, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: I too am experiencing the Braille display hanging when trying to write in Voice Dream Writer and in AccessNote. There are some apps that I can write in with no problem, such as when writing an iMessage, but anytime I try to write in most apps my Focus 14 Blue display shows the for signs on either end and hangs. Hopefully the promises of fixes in 8.3 will take care of these annoyances. As it is, writing on the Braille display is far from enjoyable. For the record, I have automatic translation turned on and am using an iPhone 6 with iOS 8.2. Best, Wayne On 4/6/15, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anna. Unfortunatley, this does not always solve the probem, as turning automatic braille translation on was the first thing I did when installing 8. Especially when someone is typing on a bluetooth keyboard, the 8-dot full cell appears at each end of the display instead of tracking the text like it used to. Also, as others have reported, input is rather sluggish, particularly on devices older than the iPhone 6/6+. Also, the full cell still presents itself when in uncontracted 6-dot or 8-dot computer braille. What's even worse is this is also happening on Yosemite now also. Thanks! Scott On 4/6/15, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: The state of quicknav on my braille display is irrelevant. Either way, it still does it letter thing, and doesn't go to the reading winjow in bard mobile. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you'll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn't conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you're using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you've pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you've already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
I too am experiencing the Braille display hanging when trying to write in Voice Dream Writer and in AccessNote. There are some apps that I can write in with no problem, such as when writing an iMessage, but anytime I try to write in most apps my Focus 14 Blue display shows the for signs on either end and hangs. Hopefully the promises of fixes in 8.3 will take care of these annoyances. As it is, writing on the Braille display is far from enjoyable. For the record, I have automatic translation turned on and am using an iPhone 6 with iOS 8.2. Best, Wayne On 4/6/15, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anna. Unfortunatley, this does not always solve the probem, as turning automatic braille translation on was the first thing I did when installing 8. Especially when someone is typing on a bluetooth keyboard, the 8-dot full cell appears at each end of the display instead of tracking the text like it used to. Also, as others have reported, input is rather sluggish, particularly on devices older than the iPhone 6/6+. Also, the full cell still presents itself when in uncontracted 6-dot or 8-dot computer braille. What's even worse is this is also happening on Yosemite now also. Thanks! Scott On 4/6/15, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: The state of quicknav on my braille display is irrelevant. Either way, it still does it letter thing, and doesn't go to the reading winjow in bard mobile. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you'll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn't conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you're using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you've pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you've already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Good to know, Wayne. Does it altogether freeze, or just take awhile to process your typing? Scott On 4/6/15, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: I too am experiencing the Braille display hanging when trying to write in Voice Dream Writer and in AccessNote. There are some apps that I can write in with no problem, such as when writing an iMessage, but anytime I try to write in most apps my Focus 14 Blue display shows the for signs on either end and hangs. Hopefully the promises of fixes in 8.3 will take care of these annoyances. As it is, writing on the Braille display is far from enjoyable. For the record, I have automatic translation turned on and am using an iPhone 6 with iOS 8.2. Best, Wayne On 4/6/15, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anna. Unfortunatley, this does not always solve the probem, as turning automatic braille translation on was the first thing I did when installing 8. Especially when someone is typing on a bluetooth keyboard, the 8-dot full cell appears at each end of the display instead of tracking the text like it used to. Also, as others have reported, input is rather sluggish, particularly on devices older than the iPhone 6/6+. Also, the full cell still presents itself when in uncontracted 6-dot or 8-dot computer braille. What's even worse is this is also happening on Yosemite now also. Thanks! Scott On 4/6/15, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: The state of quicknav on my braille display is irrelevant. Either way, it still does it letter thing, and doesn't go to the reading winjow in bard mobile. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you'll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn't conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you're using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you've pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you've already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Considering HumanWare's history, I would suspect the problem is on HumanWare's end. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 7 Apr 2015, at 09:04, Jennie Facer jennie.fa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had the Brailliant too. I ended up trading it for a Focus 40 Blue because of the freezing problem. HumanWare said it was an Apple problem and Apple said it was a HumanWare problem. Every since I got the Focus, all is well. It sometimes will enter a character repeatedly like it gets stuck, but that is only happened three times so far. I wish I knew of a way to fix the Brailliant. It was a good little display! Jenn and Kumi On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM -0700, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I really want to know how to prevent my Brailliant braille display from locking up while I'm writing? Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 9:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi Scott, If you turn on automatic braille translation, braille input will be just like before. Otherwise, press Space or Space with dots 4-5 to make the current word translate. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Scott Davert wrote: Hi Paul. Oh yes, I've had this issue, and it's a major one for me. In fact, I'm in the process of writing an article about this. I suspect, but can't confirm, that this feature was designed to allow a person to immediately see what they have typed, before it goes to the translator. Which is fine, I guess, if you're not confident in your braille typing, but it would be nice if this feature could be turned off so that it would go back to the old way of braille keyboard input. Scott On 4/6/15, Paul Hunt wrote: Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has not taken ownership of this issue. Has anyone else had issues with their braille displays or with Apple refusing to take ownership? Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinnwrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresnerwrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinnwrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresnerwrote: Hi
RE: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hi, I had the Brailliant too. I ended up trading it for a Focus 40 Blue because of the freezing problem. HumanWare said it was an Apple problem and Apple said it was a HumanWare problem. Every since I got the Focus, all is well. It sometimes will enter a character repeatedly like it gets stuck, but that is only happened three times so far. I wish I knew of a way to fix the Brailliant. It was a good little display! Jenn and Kumi On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM -0700, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I really want to know how to prevent my Brailliant braille display from locking up while I'm writing? Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 9:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi Scott, If you turn on automatic braille translation, braille input will be just like before. Otherwise, press Space or Space with dots 4-5 to make the current word translate. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Scott Davert wrote: Hi Paul. Oh yes, I've had this issue, and it's a major one for me. In fact, I'm in the process of writing an article about this. I suspect, but can't confirm, that this feature was designed to allow a person to immediately see what they have typed, before it goes to the translator. Which is fine, I guess, if you're not confident in your braille typing, but it would be nice if this feature could be turned off so that it would go back to the old way of braille keyboard input. Scott On 4/6/15, Paul Hunt wrote: Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has not taken ownership of this issue. Has anyone else had issues with their braille displays or with Apple refusing to take ownership? Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinnwrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresnerwrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinnwrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresnerwrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
I believe that both companies are suffering from an emotional maturity problem. It's time that they stop blaming each other and take ownership. On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:22 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Considering HumanWare's history, I would suspect the problem is on HumanWare's end. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 7 Apr 2015, at 09:04, Jennie Facer jennie.fa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had the Brailliant too. I ended up trading it for a Focus 40 Blue because of the freezing problem. HumanWare said it was an Apple problem and Apple said it was a HumanWare problem. Every since I got the Focus, all is well. It sometimes will enter a character repeatedly like it gets stuck, but that is only happened three times so far. I wish I knew of a way to fix the Brailliant. It was a good little display! Jenn and Kumi On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM -0700, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I really want to know how to prevent my Brailliant braille display from locking up while I'm writing? Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 9:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi Scott, If you turn on automatic braille translation, braille input will be just like before. Otherwise, press Space or Space with dots 4-5 to make the current word translate. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Scott Davert wrote: Hi Paul. Oh yes, I've had this issue, and it's a major one for me. In fact, I'm in the process of writing an article about this. I suspect, but can't confirm, that this feature was designed to allow a person to immediately see what they have typed, before it goes to the translator. Which is fine, I guess, if you're not confident in your braille typing, but it would be nice if this feature could be turned off so that it would go back to the old way of braille keyboard input. Scott On 4/6/15, Paul Hunt wrote: Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has not taken ownership of this issue. Has anyone else had issues with their braille displays or with Apple refusing to take ownership? Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinnwrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresnerwrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinnwrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
I can say for certain that as a trainer I have seen this problem happened with the humanware displays. The local representative from humanware over here in Texas is completely blaming apple. For my own personal experience and from what I have seen I believe that it is a humanware problem because this problem does not happen with other displays. Many traces the display will lock up almost immediately when you start typing in an edit feel like I messages are editing apps. Raul A. Gallegos Voice/Text: 832.554.7285 On Apr 6, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: I too am experiencing the Braille display hanging when trying to write in Voice Dream Writer and in AccessNote. There are some apps that I can write in with no problem, such as when writing an iMessage, but anytime I try to write in most apps my Focus 14 Blue display shows the for signs on either end and hangs. Hopefully the promises of fixes in 8.3 will take care of these annoyances. As it is, writing on the Braille display is far from enjoyable. For the record, I have automatic translation turned on and am using an iPhone 6 with iOS 8.2. Best, Wayne On 4/6/15, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anna. Unfortunatley, this does not always solve the probem, as turning automatic braille translation on was the first thing I did when installing 8. Especially when someone is typing on a bluetooth keyboard, the 8-dot full cell appears at each end of the display instead of tracking the text like it used to. Also, as others have reported, input is rather sluggish, particularly on devices older than the iPhone 6/6+. Also, the full cell still presents itself when in uncontracted 6-dot or 8-dot computer braille. What's even worse is this is also happening on Yosemite now also. Thanks! Scott On 4/6/15, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: The state of quicknav on my braille display is irrelevant. Either way, it still does it letter thing, and doesn't go to the reading winjow in bard mobile. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you'll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn't conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you're using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you've pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you've already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09
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Hi, My question is this problem also seen on the Braille Note, since it's a Humanware product? I have seen the full braille Cell at the beginning of a line of text, but I haven't checked my braille settings on my iPhone. The Apex has not frozen on me recently, but I'll take more notice from now on. Thanks for the heads up on a possible problem with Humanware. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: I can say for certain that as a trainer I have seen this problem happened with the humanware displays. The local representative from humanware over here in Texas is completely blaming apple. For my own personal experience and from what I have seen I believe that it is a humanware problem because this problem does not happen with other displays. Many traces the display will lock up almost immediately when you start typing in an edit feel like I messages are editing apps. Raul A. Gallegos Voice/Text: 832.554.7285 On Apr 6, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: I too am experiencing the Braille display hanging when trying to write in Voice Dream Writer and in AccessNote. There are some apps that I can write in with no problem, such as when writing an iMessage, but anytime I try to write in most apps my Focus 14 Blue display shows the for signs on either end and hangs. Hopefully the promises of fixes in 8.3 will take care of these annoyances. As it is, writing on the Braille display is far from enjoyable. For the record, I have automatic translation turned on and am using an iPhone 6 with iOS 8.2. Best, Wayne On 4/6/15, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anna. Unfortunatley, this does not always solve the probem, as turning automatic braille translation on was the first thing I did when installing 8. Especially when someone is typing on a bluetooth keyboard, the 8-dot full cell appears at each end of the display instead of tracking the text like it used to. Also, as others have reported, input is rather sluggish, particularly on devices older than the iPhone 6/6+. Also, the full cell still presents itself when in uncontracted 6-dot or 8-dot computer braille. What's even worse is this is also happening on Yosemite now also. Thanks! Scott On 4/6/15, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: The state of quicknav on my braille display is irrelevant. Either way, it still does it letter thing, and doesn't go to the reading winjow in bard mobile. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you'll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn't conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you're using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
This is not meant as a smart Alec answer, but the real answer is, don't use the humanware braille display with your iPhone. At least that is what I would recommend until humanware can get this fixed in the firmware. Raul A. Gallegos Voice/Text: 832.554.7285 On Apr 6, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I really want to know how to prevent my Brailliant braille display from locking up while I'm writing? Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 9:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi Scott, If you turn on automatic braille translation, braille input will be just like before. Otherwise, press Space or Space with dots 4-5 to make the current word translate. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul. Oh yes, I've had this issue, and it's a major one for me. In fact, I'm in the process of writing an article about this. I suspect, but can't confirm, that this feature was designed to allow a person to immediately see what they have typed, before it goes to the translator. Which is fine, I guess, if you're not confident in your braille typing, but it would be nice if this feature could be turned off so that it would go back to the old way of braille keyboard input. Scott On 4/6/15, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has not taken ownership of this issue. Has anyone else had issues with their braille displays or with Apple refusing to take ownership? Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hello everyone. My wife has a Focus 40. I'll test with the focus. If I find out that the problem is with the Brailliant, my first contact will be with Himanware's CEO. On Apr 6, 2015, at 7:49 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: This is not meant as a smart Alec answer, but the real answer is, don't use the humanware braille display with your iPhone. At least that is what I would recommend until humanware can get this fixed in the firmware. Raul A. Gallegos Voice/Text: 832.554.7285 On Apr 6, 2015, at 9:36 AM, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I really want to know how to prevent my Brailliant braille display from locking up while I'm writing? Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 9:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi Scott, If you turn on automatic braille translation, braille input will be just like before. Otherwise, press Space or Space with dots 4-5 to make the current word translate. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul. Oh yes, I've had this issue, and it's a major one for me. In fact, I'm in the process of writing an article about this. I suspect, but can't confirm, that this feature was designed to allow a person to immediately see what they have typed, before it goes to the translator. Which is fine, I guess, if you're not confident in your braille typing, but it would be nice if this feature could be turned off so that it would go back to the old way of braille keyboard input. Scott On 4/6/15, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has not taken ownership of this issue. Has anyone else had issues with their braille displays or with Apple refusing to take ownership? Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
An interesting response. My understanding is Apple posts its braille display driver requirements. It also includes standard braille display drivers in the VO code. Considering how HumanWare has had problems in the past with buggy code and incompatible driver stack issues, I again will place the responsibility in their court on this one. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 7 Apr 2015, at 11:54, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: I believe that both companies are suffering from an emotional maturity problem. It's time that they stop blaming each other and take ownership. On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:22 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Considering HumanWare's history, I would suspect the problem is on HumanWare's end. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 7 Apr 2015, at 09:04, Jennie Facer jennie.fa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had the Brailliant too. I ended up trading it for a Focus 40 Blue because of the freezing problem. HumanWare said it was an Apple problem and Apple said it was a HumanWare problem. Every since I got the Focus, all is well. It sometimes will enter a character repeatedly like it gets stuck, but that is only happened three times so far. I wish I knew of a way to fix the Brailliant. It was a good little display! Jenn and Kumi On Mon, Apr 6, 2015 at 7:36 AM -0700, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I really want to know how to prevent my Brailliant braille display from locking up while I'm writing? Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 9:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi Scott, If you turn on automatic braille translation, braille input will be just like before. Otherwise, press Space or Space with dots 4-5 to make the current word translate. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Scott Davert wrote: Hi Paul. Oh yes, I've had this issue, and it's a major one for me. In fact, I'm in the process of writing an article about this. I suspect, but can't confirm, that this feature was designed to allow a person to immediately see what they have typed, before it goes to the translator. Which is fine, I guess, if you're not confident in your braille typing, but it would be nice if this feature could be turned off so that it would go back to the old way of braille keyboard input. Scott On 4/6/15, Paul Hunt wrote: Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has not taken ownership of this issue. Has anyone else had issues with their braille displays or with Apple refusing to take ownership? Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinnwrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresnerwrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
I also have a Braolliant BI 32, and I experience the freezing as well. Do you think if I got the Boum Vario Ultra that I would experience the same freezing issues? I know that from your message, these issues seem to happen most often with HumanWare displays, but I believe that HumanWare gets there hardware from Boum. Thanks, Ari On Apr 6, 2015, at 5:48 PM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote: I can say for certain that as a trainer I have seen this problem happened with the humanware displays. The local representative from humanware over here in Texas is completely blaming apple. For my own personal experience and from what I have seen I believe that it is a humanware problem because this problem does not happen with other displays. Many traces the display will lock up almost immediately when you start typing in an edit feel like I messages are editing apps. Raul A. Gallegos Voice/Text: 832.554.7285 On Apr 6, 2015, at 2:48 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote: I too am experiencing the Braille display hanging when trying to write in Voice Dream Writer and in AccessNote. There are some apps that I can write in with no problem, such as when writing an iMessage, but anytime I try to write in most apps my Focus 14 Blue display shows the for signs on either end and hangs. Hopefully the promises of fixes in 8.3 will take care of these annoyances. As it is, writing on the Braille display is far from enjoyable. For the record, I have automatic translation turned on and am using an iPhone 6 with iOS 8.2. Best, Wayne On 4/6/15, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Anna. Unfortunatley, this does not always solve the probem, as turning automatic braille translation on was the first thing I did when installing 8. Especially when someone is typing on a bluetooth keyboard, the 8-dot full cell appears at each end of the display instead of tracking the text like it used to. Also, as others have reported, input is rather sluggish, particularly on devices older than the iPhone 6/6+. Also, the full cell still presents itself when in uncontracted 6-dot or 8-dot computer braille. What's even worse is this is also happening on Yosemite now also. Thanks! Scott On 4/6/15, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: The state of quicknav on my braille display is irrelevant. Either way, it still does it letter thing, and doesn't go to the reading winjow in bard mobile. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you'll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn't conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you're using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you’ve pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you’ve already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you’ve pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you’ve already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com mailto:wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hi Joe. It sounds to me as you could use the vertical navigation, to go to the right place in text, this can be found in the router settings and can then be found in the router. This is a command that I use a lot. Best regards Annie. Den 06/04/2015 kl. 08.05 skrev Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you’ve pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you’ve already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com mailto:wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hi Paul. Oh yes, I've had this issue, and it's a major one for me. In fact, I'm in the process of writing an article about this. I suspect, but can't confirm, that this feature was designed to allow a person to immediately see what they have typed, before it goes to the translator. Which is fine, I guess, if you're not confident in your braille typing, but it would be nice if this feature could be turned off so that it would go back to the old way of braille keyboard input. Scott On 4/6/15, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has not taken ownership of this issue. Has anyone else had issues with their braille displays or with Apple refusing to take ownership? Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you’ve pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you’ve already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com mailto:wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please
RE: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has not taken ownership of this issue. Has anyone else had issues with their braille displays or with Apple refusing to take ownership? Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you’ve pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you’ve already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com mailto:wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hi Scott, If you turn on automatic braille translation, braille input will be just like before. Otherwise, press Space or Space with dots 4-5 to make the current word translate. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul. Oh yes, I've had this issue, and it's a major one for me. In fact, I'm in the process of writing an article about this. I suspect, but can't confirm, that this feature was designed to allow a person to immediately see what they have typed, before it goes to the translator. Which is fine, I guess, if you're not confident in your braille typing, but it would be nice if this feature could be turned off so that it would go back to the old way of braille keyboard input. Scott On 4/6/15, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has not taken ownership of this issue. Has anyone else had issues with their braille displays or with Apple refusing to take ownership? Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you’ve pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you’ve already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com mailto:wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
The state of quicknav on my braille display is irrelevant. Either way, it still does it letter thing, and doesn't go to the reading winjow in bard mobile. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you’ve pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you’ve already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
RE: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hello everyone. I really want to know how to prevent my Brailliant braille display from locking up while I'm writing? Thanks so much. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 9:32 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi Scott, If you turn on automatic braille translation, braille input will be just like before. Otherwise, press Space or Space with dots 4-5 to make the current word translate. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul. Oh yes, I've had this issue, and it's a major one for me. In fact, I'm in the process of writing an article about this. I suspect, but can't confirm, that this feature was designed to allow a person to immediately see what they have typed, before it goes to the translator. Which is fine, I guess, if you're not confident in your braille typing, but it would be nice if this feature could be turned off so that it would go back to the old way of braille keyboard input. Scott On 4/6/15, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello everyone. I use a Brailliant BI 40 braille display with my IPhone 5S and IOS 8.2. I don’t have any issues reading but when I write, sometimes my display just locks up. I can sometimes wait for a couple of seconds and it frees up. Howevr, other times it won’t free and I have to either reboot everything or reestablish the pairing. I’ve reported this to Apple Accessibility and have done numerous tests with them. However, Apple, as far as I’m concerned has not taken ownership of this issue. Has anyone else had issues with their braille displays or with Apple refusing to take ownership? Thanks so much. Paul From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Woody Anna Dresner Sent: Monday, April 6, 2015 6:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2 Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you’ve pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you’ve already typed gets back-translated, which can
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hi Anna. Unfortunatley, this does not always solve the probem, as turning automatic braille translation on was the first thing I did when installing 8. Especially when someone is typing on a bluetooth keyboard, the 8-dot full cell appears at each end of the display instead of tracking the text like it used to. Also, as others have reported, input is rather sluggish, particularly on devices older than the iPhone 6/6+. Also, the full cell still presents itself when in uncontracted 6-dot or 8-dot computer braille. What's even worse is this is also happening on Yosemite now also. Thanks! Scott On 4/6/15, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: The state of quicknav on my braille display is irrelevant. Either way, it still does it letter thing, and doesn't go to the reading winjow in bard mobile. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 6:34 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, The problem is that Quick Nav is on by default. That causes this problem. You need to turn Quick Nav off. in iOS 8.2, the only way to do that is to press the left and right arrow keys together on a Bluetooth keyboard. Fortunately, in iOS 8.3, you’ll also be able to do it by pressing Space with Q on a braille display. Best, Anna On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:05 AM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure that having automatic braille translation on or off would solve my issue. What the issue is, is when I'm in the now reading tab and have a braille file loaded, and I press r to get to the reading window, it actually enters an r, as if it's in a document. And it used to not do that, it used to go directly to the reading window. Therefore, I can never get back to the place that I was at, because I have to actually dot 4-chord to the Reading window, thereby having to start all the way at the beginning. This is the same for and, next, and P, previous buttons. It enters the actual letters, and I don't know how to fix that, unless an update to the Bard mobile app is in order. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:47 AM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you’ve pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you’ve already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list.
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you’ve pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you’ve already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you’ve pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you’ve already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Problem Running Braille Display with iOS 8.2
Hi, Automatic braille translation doesn’t conflict with BARD if you switch braille input to 8-dot while you’re using the app. This is a good idea anyway, since then each letter you type is seen as a letter rather than a word. The only problem is that Quick Nav is on by default, and in iOS 8.2, you need a Bluetooth keyboard to turn off Quick Nav. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:31 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote: But automatic Braille translation messes with the BARD navigation keys, especially when reading a .brf file, as it thinks you're trying to write a word. Is there anyway around this? I want my navigation commands back. :-) Sent from my iPhone On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:25 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wadres...@att.net mailto:wadres...@att.net wrote: Hi Alan, It sounds like your friend has automatic braille translation turned off. When she starts typing a word, it goes into a buffer, as indicated by the full braille cells at either end of the display. When she presses Space or dots 4-5-chord, the word will be entered into the text, and the full braille cells will disappear. Another option is to turn off automatic braille translation. Then text is translated automatically a couple of seconds after you type it, regardless of whether you’ve pressed Space or dots 4-5-chord. The only problem with that is that if you stop in the middle of a word to think about something, the part that you’ve already typed gets back-translated, which can cause problems. For that reason, I leave automatic braille translation turned off. HTH, Anna On Apr 5, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Alan Lemly wale...@gmail.com mailto:wale...@gmail.com wrote: I have another question for my friend running iOS 8.2 on an iPhone 6. Are there new commands to operate a braille display when running iOS8.2? Hers locks up as soon as she begins to enter text, showing a full cell at either end of the braille display. Thanks in advance. Alan Lemly -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this
