Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages
If using the Apple bluetooth keyboard, is it not possible to tab among the address, subject, and message fields? -Original Message- From: Neal Ewers Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Lisa, thanks for this. I thought I could trick Apple. What an absurd thing to try to do. I thought I could simply fill in the subject field first and go back to the address field and fill it in. Well that worked, or so I thought, But when I got back to the subject, I could not go any further. The message field would not appear. I had to click once inside the subject field and then get out of that field and then the message field appeared. How strange. I am using the Apple blue tooth keyboard if that makes a difference. Bottom line, it works, but the question is, would there be an easier way? Thanks. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa belville Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Ah, Neil, I encountered this phenomenon for the first time this morning. I had to remove everything from the to field, then edit the subject field, come back and reenter the to address and it worked. before that, I kept double-checking to be sure that yes, I was indeed editing the subject field, but the subject kept showing up next to the text in the to field for some reason. I've sent several Emails on my phone and this was a new occurrence, so not sure what's going on. At least there's a relatively low-tech solution. Lisa The 2 most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and Bull-Crap Lisa Belville missktlab1...@frontier.com - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Hi all, I am definitely missing something basic here. When I send an email, I can find the address field and enter the address. I then find the subject field and double tap to enter text. However, when I enter it, it is placed at the end of the email address in the address, field. I remember having this problem when I used my iTouch, so it's definitely Neal and not the iPhone. What M I doing wrong? Thanks. Neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message
Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages
It's supposed to be VO left arrow and VO right arrow. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 23/03/2013, at 6:57, Jim Fettgather jimfettgat...@gmail.com wrote: If using the Apple bluetooth keyboard, is it not possible to tab among the address, subject, and message fields? -Original Message- From: Neal Ewers Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Lisa, thanks for this. I thought I could trick Apple. What an absurd thing to try to do. I thought I could simply fill in the subject field first and go back to the address field and fill it in. Well that worked, or so I thought, But when I got back to the subject, I could not go any further. The message field would not appear. I had to click once inside the subject field and then get out of that field and then the message field appeared. How strange. I am using the Apple blue tooth keyboard if that makes a difference. Bottom line, it works, but the question is, would there be an easier way? Thanks. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa belville Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Ah, Neil, I encountered this phenomenon for the first time this morning. I had to remove everything from the to field, then edit the subject field, come back and reenter the to address and it worked. before that, I kept double-checking to be sure that yes, I was indeed editing the subject field, but the subject kept showing up next to the text in the to field for some reason. I've sent several Emails on my phone and this was a new occurrence, so not sure what's going on. At least there's a relatively low-tech solution. Lisa The 2 most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and Bull-Crap Lisa Belville missktlab1...@frontier.com - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Hi all, I am definitely missing something basic here. When I send an email, I can find the address field and enter the address. I then find the subject field and double tap to enter text. However, when I enter it, it is placed at the end of the email address in the address, field. I remember having this problem when I used my iTouch, so it's definitely Neal and not the iPhone. What M I doing wrong? Thanks. Neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search
Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages
I too have had this problem. try touching the message body, then go back to the subject. Subscribe to my PodOmatic podcast feed http://musicmaker365.podomatic.com/rss2.xml or visit the podcast page: http://musicmaker365.podomatic.com/ Thanks, Rob You can leave me a voice mail or fax at 206-426-3505 God is good all the time, All the time God is good On 3/22/2013 10:35 AM, Neal Ewers wrote: Hi all, I am definitely missing something basic here. When I send an email, I can find the address field and enter the address. I then find the subject field and double tap to enter text. However, when I enter it, it is placed at the end of the email address in the address,” field. I remember having this problem when I used my iTouch, so it’s definitely Neal and not the iPhone. What M I doing wrong? Thanks. Neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages
Ah, Neil, I encountered this phenomenon for the first time this morning. I had to remove everything from the to field, then edit the subject field, come back and reenter the to address and it worked. before that, I kept double-checking to be sure that yes, I was indeed editing the subject field, but the subject kept showing up next to the text in the to field for some reason. I've sent several Emails on my phone and this was a new occurrence, so not sure what's going on. At least there's a relatively low-tech solution. Lisa The 2 most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and Bull-Crap Lisa Belville missktlab1...@frontier.com - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Hi all, I am definitely missing something basic here. When I send an email, I can find the address field and enter the address. I then find the subject field and double tap to enter text. However, when I enter it, it is placed at the end of the email address in the address, field. I remember having this problem when I used my iTouch, so it's definitely Neal and not the iPhone. What M I doing wrong? Thanks. Neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Problems filling in the subject in email messages
Lisa, thanks for this. I thought I could trick Apple. What an absurd thing to try to do. I thought I could simply fill in the subject field first and go back to the address field and fill it in. Well that worked, or so I thought, But when I got back to the subject, I could not go any further. The message field would not appear. I had to click once inside the subject field and then get out of that field and then the message field appeared. How strange. I am using the Apple blue tooth keyboard if that makes a difference. Bottom line, it works, but the question is, would there be an easier way? Thanks. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa belville Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Ah, Neil, I encountered this phenomenon for the first time this morning. I had to remove everything from the to field, then edit the subject field, come back and reenter the to address and it worked. before that, I kept double-checking to be sure that yes, I was indeed editing the subject field, but the subject kept showing up next to the text in the to field for some reason. I've sent several Emails on my phone and this was a new occurrence, so not sure what's going on. At least there's a relatively low-tech solution. Lisa The 2 most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and Bull-Crap Lisa Belville missktlab1...@frontier.com - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Hi all, I am definitely missing something basic here. When I send an email, I can find the address field and enter the address. I then find the subject field and double tap to enter text. However, when I enter it, it is placed at the end of the email address in the address, field. I remember having this problem when I used my iTouch, so it's definitely Neal and not the iPhone. What M I doing wrong? Thanks. Neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages
Ahaa!... Now here we have something interesting, I remember having a difficulty centred around using a keyboard, but navigating on the screen; and herein lay the issue. Arrow keys to the fields and activate them with the quicknav keys, up.down arrows together is it, or VO-Space? anywayI think consistency made a difference in the end. Not used the keyboards for a while now. - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:50 PM Subject: RE: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Lisa, thanks for this. I thought I could trick Apple. What an absurd thing to try to do. I thought I could simply fill in the subject field first and go back to the address field and fill it in. Well that worked, or so I thought, But when I got back to the subject, I could not go any further. The message field would not appear. I had to click once inside the subject field and then get out of that field and then the message field appeared. How strange. I am using the Apple blue tooth keyboard if that makes a difference. Bottom line, it works, but the question is, would there be an easier way? Thanks. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa belville Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Ah, Neil, I encountered this phenomenon for the first time this morning. I had to remove everything from the to field, then edit the subject field, come back and reenter the to address and it worked. before that, I kept double-checking to be sure that yes, I was indeed editing the subject field, but the subject kept showing up next to the text in the to field for some reason. I've sent several Emails on my phone and this was a new occurrence, so not sure what's going on. At least there's a relatively low-tech solution. Lisa The 2 most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and Bull-Crap Lisa Belville missktlab1...@frontier.com - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Hi all, I am definitely missing something basic here. When I send an email, I can find the address field and enter the address. I then find the subject field and double tap to enter text. However, when I enter it, it is placed at the end of the email address in the address, field. I remember having this problem when I used my iTouch, so it's definitely Neal and not the iPhone. What M I doing wrong? Thanks. Neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit
Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages
After double-tapping in the subject field, left flick away from the field, then right flick into the field. If VO says editing after the name of the field, you have opened the field to edit. If just the field name is announced, you have not opened the field to editing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 23/03/2013, at 4:35, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Hi all, I am definitely missing something basic here. When I send an email, I can find the address field and enter the address. I then find the subject field and double tap to enter text. However, when I enter it, it is placed at the end of the email address in the address,” field. I remember having this problem when I used my iTouch, so it’s definitely Neal and not the iPhone. What M I doing wrong? Thanks. Neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages
Ok, now I understand what is going on. iOS devices have always been designed for direct input from the touch-screen. Keyboard access was added later. When a field is activated directly on the screen, it always activates editing properly. When a field is activated using a Bluetooth keyboard, it occasionally does not activate. This occasional problem with opening fields for editing using a Bluetooth device also occurs with Braille displays. The solution is quite simple. Do as sighted people, even those who use a physical keyboard do, activate edit fields on the touch-screen directly. In other words, work with your device rather than against it. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 23/03/2013, at 6:50, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Lisa, thanks for this. I thought I could trick Apple. What an absurd thing to try to do. I thought I could simply fill in the subject field first and go back to the address field and fill it in. Well that worked, or so I thought, But when I got back to the subject, I could not go any further. The message field would not appear. I had to click once inside the subject field and then get out of that field and then the message field appeared. How strange. I am using the Apple blue tooth keyboard if that makes a difference. Bottom line, it works, but the question is, would there be an easier way? Thanks. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa belville Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Ah, Neil, I encountered this phenomenon for the first time this morning. I had to remove everything from the to field, then edit the subject field, come back and reenter the to address and it worked. before that, I kept double-checking to be sure that yes, I was indeed editing the subject field, but the subject kept showing up next to the text in the to field for some reason. I've sent several Emails on my phone and this was a new occurrence, so not sure what's going on. At least there's a relatively low-tech solution. Lisa The 2 most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and Bull-Crap Lisa Belville missktlab1...@frontier.com - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Hi all, I am definitely missing something basic here. When I send an email, I can find the address field and enter the address. I then find the subject field and double tap to enter text. However, when I enter it, it is placed at the end of the email address in the address, field. I remember having this problem when I used my iTouch, so it's definitely Neal and not the iPhone. What M I doing wrong? Thanks. Neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
RE: Problems filling in the subject in email messages
Hi, I think the problem here is using the Apple external keyboard. This is not the first time I have had this problem in password fields and other such fields. Sometimes I actually have to turn off the keyboard to get into the field. In this particular task, I can get into the address field OK, but when I follow your instructions about flicking left when entering the subject field, That does not work with the keyboard. If I try to use my finger on the phone, that doesn't work when I have the keyboard turned on. I'll do some more playing around to see if I can come up with a work around. I believe what I did before to make this work with the external keyboard was to put something in the subject field, go back to the address field and enter the address, and then go back and edit and fill out the subject field. This is not consistent, so I need to do a bit more playing to see if I can get this to work. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages After double-tapping in the subject field, left flick away from the field, then right flick into the field. If VO says editing after the name of the field, you have opened the field to edit. If just the field name is announced, you have not opened the field to editing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 23/03/2013, at 4:35, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Hi all, I am definitely missing something basic here. When I send an email, I can find the address field and enter the address. I then find the subject field and double tap to enter text. However, when I enter it, it is placed at the end of the email address in the address, field. I remember having this problem when I used my iTouch, so it's definitely Neal and not the iPhone. What M I doing wrong? Thanks. Neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
RE: Problems filling in the subject in email messages
David, I normally do what you suggest and have often been able to work around tasks this way. The email subject field, however, seems to be a different animal. If I fill in the address field, I then can tap on the screen to open the subject field,. However, I'm not really in the subject field. I am in the address field. Even when I try using my finger to swipe left and back to the field again as was suggested earlier, I still end up in the address field. I'm not going to spend too much more list time on this. I'll just chalk it up to a keyboard oddity. Thanks for people's help. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Ok, now I understand what is going on. iOS devices have always been designed for direct input from the touch-screen. Keyboard access was added later. When a field is activated directly on the screen, it always activates editing properly. When a field is activated using a Bluetooth keyboard, it occasionally does not activate. This occasional problem with opening fields for editing using a Bluetooth device also occurs with Braille displays. The solution is quite simple. Do as sighted people, even those who use a physical keyboard do, activate edit fields on the touch-screen directly. In other words, work with your device rather than against it. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 23/03/2013, at 6:50, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Lisa, thanks for this. I thought I could trick Apple. What an absurd thing to try to do. I thought I could simply fill in the subject field first and go back to the address field and fill it in. Well that worked, or so I thought, But when I got back to the subject, I could not go any further. The message field would not appear. I had to click once inside the subject field and then get out of that field and then the message field appeared. How strange. I am using the Apple blue tooth keyboard if that makes a difference. Bottom line, it works, but the question is, would there be an easier way? Thanks. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa belville Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Ah, Neil, I encountered this phenomenon for the first time this morning. I had to remove everything from the to field, then edit the subject field, come back and reenter the to address and it worked. before that, I kept double-checking to be sure that yes, I was indeed editing the subject field, but the subject kept showing up next to the text in the to field for some reason. I've sent several Emails on my phone and this was a new occurrence, so not sure what's going on. At least there's a relatively low-tech solution. Lisa The 2 most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and Bull-Crap Lisa Belville missktlab1...@frontier.com - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Hi all, I am definitely missing something basic here. When I send an email, I can find the address field and enter the address. I then find the subject field and double tap to enter text. However, when I enter it, it is placed at the end of the email address in the address, field. I remember having this problem when I used my iTouch, so it's definitely Neal and not the iPhone. What M I doing wrong? Thanks. Neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages
I stopped having any problems entering fields when I returned to doing all my navigation directly on the screen. I keep my Braille keyboard connected for typing when at home. I have no problems accessing edit fields. when you find consistently reproducible steps, send an email to accessibil...@apple.com fully detailing how to reproduce the problem so they can add it to things which should be considered for fixing. The more reports they get from different people, the higher the importance. That said, sighted people usually do not use the keyboard for navigation, either on an iOS device, or a computer. Considering that blind people are only 0.6% of the market, and we have full access the same way sighted people have access, it is incumbent on us to adjust ourselves to become competent with using the touch-screen directly. The fact is, touch-screen interfaces are now less expensive than control panels with screens and separate buttons. This is the future. It is similar to DOS and the keyboard to Windows and the mouse. Sighted people use the mouse to move the pointer to each edit field. They then click the mouse button. Next, they move the mouse hand to the keyboard and type. When finished typing, they reach back to the mouse to move the pointer to the next field or the OK button. Many Windows programs do not have the built-in facilities to understand commands like tab and arrow keys for changing fields. These programs are inaccessible to the blind, and are in the majority of programs. It does not matter how much people say that doing things directly from the keyboard can be faster. Sighted people are much more comfortable with direct visual influence. Using a mouse pointer provides this. Using a touch-screen provides it even more. It does not matter how much a blind person complains that this is unfair. Again, we are a tiny portion of the market in a visual world. It will always be incumbent on us to adjust. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 23/03/2013, at 11:37, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Hi, I think the problem here is using the Apple external keyboard. This is not the first time I have had this problem in password fields and other such fields. Sometimes I actually have to turn off the keyboard to get into the field. In this particular task, I can get into the address field OK, but when I follow your instructions about flicking left when entering the subject field, That does not work with the keyboard. If I try to use my finger on the phone, that doesn’t work when I have the keyboard turned on. I’ll do some more playing around to see if I can come up with a work around. I believe what I did before to make this work with the external keyboard was to put something in the subject field, go back to the address field and enter the address, and then go back and edit and fill out the subject field. This is not consistent, so I need to do a bit more playing to see if I can get this to work. Neal From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages After double-tapping in the subject field, left flick away from the field, then right flick into the field. If VO says editing after the name of the field, you have opened the field to edit. If just the field name is announced, you have not opened the field to editing. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 23/03/2013, at 4:35, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Hi all, I am definitely missing something basic here. When I send an email, I can find the address field and enter the address. I then find the subject field and double tap to enter text. However, when I enter it, it is placed at the end of the email address in the address,” field. I remember having this problem when I used my iTouch, so it’s definitely Neal and not the iPhone. What M I doing wrong? Thanks. Neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you
Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages
I cannot reproduce your problem. I am using a RefreshaBraille Bluetooth keyboard to type my email, and I do all my email from my iPhone. I do all my navigation commands on the display of my iPhone. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 23/03/2013, at 11:44, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: David, I normally do what you suggest and have often been able to work around tasks this way. The email subject field, however, seems to be a different animal. If I fill in the address field, I then can tap on the screen to open the subject field,. However, I'm not really in the subject field. I am in the address field. Even when I try using my finger to swipe left and back to the field again as was suggested earlier, I still end up in the address field. I'm not going to spend too much more list time on this. I'll just chalk it up to a keyboard oddity. Thanks for people's help. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 5:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Ok, now I understand what is going on. iOS devices have always been designed for direct input from the touch-screen. Keyboard access was added later. When a field is activated directly on the screen, it always activates editing properly. When a field is activated using a Bluetooth keyboard, it occasionally does not activate. This occasional problem with opening fields for editing using a Bluetooth device also occurs with Braille displays. The solution is quite simple. Do as sighted people, even those who use a physical keyboard do, activate edit fields on the touch-screen directly. In other words, work with your device rather than against it. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 23/03/2013, at 6:50, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote: Lisa, thanks for this. I thought I could trick Apple. What an absurd thing to try to do. I thought I could simply fill in the subject field first and go back to the address field and fill it in. Well that worked, or so I thought, But when I got back to the subject, I could not go any further. The message field would not appear. I had to click once inside the subject field and then get out of that field and then the message field appeared. How strange. I am using the Apple blue tooth keyboard if that makes a difference. Bottom line, it works, but the question is, would there be an easier way? Thanks. Neal -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Lisa belville Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:20 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Ah, Neil, I encountered this phenomenon for the first time this morning. I had to remove everything from the to field, then edit the subject field, come back and reenter the to address and it worked. before that, I kept double-checking to be sure that yes, I was indeed editing the subject field, but the subject kept showing up next to the text in the to field for some reason. I've sent several Emails on my phone and this was a new occurrence, so not sure what's going on. At least there's a relatively low-tech solution. Lisa The 2 most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and Bull-Crap Lisa Belville missktlab1...@frontier.com - Original Message - From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: Problems filling in the subject in email messages Hi all, I am definitely missing something basic here. When I send an email, I can find the address field and enter the address. I then find the subject field and double tap to enter text. However, when I enter it, it is placed at the end of the email address in the address, field. I remember having this problem when I used my iTouch, so it's definitely Neal and not the iPhone. What M I doing wrong? Thanks. Neal -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
