Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Great, thanks, found them, now that I have the full name! :-)
On 15 Feb 2017, at 1:16 pm, Mike Ulrich <mulr...@centurylink.net> wrote:

You can find them on Amazon; just type in Tile Mate.
 
From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!
 
Oh, thanks so much. I have heard of them but did not realise this is what they 
were called. Do you know where they are stocked?

Thank you anyway for the information you have provided.
 
 
 
Carol P - Sent from my iPhone :)
 

On 15 Feb 2017, at 11:48 am, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:

Hello,
These are little round discs that allow you to track your items you place them 
on with an app. They work via bluetooth. You attach them to an item you want to 
keep track of like your TV remote for example.
 
Regards,
Greg Wocher
On Feb 15, 2017, at 3:42 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
 
I keep seeing mention of these but haven't a clue what they are! Can anyone 
please give me a description and explain how they help!

Yes, I could look it up, but I'm in danger of getting distracted by other items 
which are called "tiles"!

Thanks! 
 
 
 
Carol P - Sent from my iPhone :)
 

On 4 Feb 2017, at 6:59 pm, Pablo C. Morales <pablocmd2...@gmail.com> wrote:

That is not true. You are able to replace one, or as many tiles you want. They 
are going to give you a better price after you buy them the first time. If you 
buy one tile, the price is higher than if you buy 12 tiles, but later you are 
able to replace  one, or as many you want. Now about the accessibility on the 
tile app, I have found that on android this app is a lot more accessible. I 
have been writing to the tile tech support  regarding the accessibility on IOs, 
but I haven’t seen any improvement, however on android is a lot better.
I have more than one year using tile, and it is very helpful, and moreover they 
are pretty small. If we compare the size of the tiles with the other devices 
that I have seen, really tile is very small. I don’t consider tile waste of 
money, I think it is a tool that helps sighted and visually impaired.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!
 
TrackR is accessible and replaceable-battery
 
On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM <englishride...@gmail.com> wrote:
I heard of an item tracking device quite a while ago that let you replace the 
battery yourself. I can't remember the brand, but I think it was Motorola or LG 
or something.
 
 
Thanks,
Ari

On Feb 3, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at first, 
it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I read about 
the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription since the 
battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after which you have 
to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or replaced. Yes, they 
say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if you have a few of them 
it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a months. I think many 
people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay each months for renewing the 
things we need and want. Start with the big things we all need like 
rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and your monthly phone/internet 
bill which are now considered essential services. Then there is your TV even if 
all you have is a Netflix subscription, then most of us have some sort of music 
subscription like Apple Music or Spotify, then many of us nowadays have some 
sort of software which requires an annual software maintenance agreement or we 
may subscribe to various software on a monthly or annual bases like Office 365, 
KNFB Reader etc. Then there are the small things like maybe a bit of extra 
iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe a Ring Video Doorbell and on and on.
Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using it, you 
give the company permission to collect data about the movement of your Tile 
which, if you put one on your phone or keys means your movement and to use said 
data any which way they like including to share or sell it to third parties. I 
guess you could argue that your phone already collects this data except when 
you have an iPhone you can turn this or some of this off, you could choose to 
turn off your phone completely if you don’t want to be tracked and, at least in 
the case of Apple, I trust them the most that they aren’t sharing this 
information with everybody who may want it. Apple unlike Google does not make 
its money from gathering information about you which they can then use to 
target you with ads, they make t

RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Mike Ulrich]

You can find them on Amazon; just type in Tile Mate.

 

From: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 8:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

Oh, thanks so much. I have heard of them but did not realise this is what they 
were called. Do you know where they are stocked?

Thank you anyway for the information you have provided.

 

 

 

Carol P - Sent from my iPhone :)

 


On 15 Feb 2017, at 11:48 am, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:

Hello,

These are little round discs that allow you to track your items you place them 
on with an app. They work via bluetooth. You attach them to an item you want to 
keep track of like your TV remote for example.

 

Regards,

Greg Wocher

On Feb 15, 2017, at 3:42 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 

I keep seeing mention of these but haven't a clue what they are! Can anyone 
please give me a description and explain how they help!

Yes, I could look it up, but I'm in danger of getting distracted by other items 
which are called "tiles"!

Thanks! 

 

 

 

Carol P - Sent from my iPhone :)

 


On 4 Feb 2017, at 6:59 pm, Pablo C. Morales < <mailto:pablocmd2...@gmail.com> 
pablocmd2...@gmail.com> wrote:

That is not true. You are able to replace one, or as many tiles you want. They 
are going to give you a better price after you buy them the first time. If you 
buy one tile, the price is higher than if you buy 12 tiles, but later you are 
able to replace  one, or as many you want. Now about the accessibility on the 
tile app, I have found that on android this app is a lot more accessible. I 
have been writing to the tile tech support  regarding the accessibility on IOs, 
but I haven’t seen any improvement, however on android is a lot better.

I have more than one year using tile, and it is very helpful, and moreover they 
are pretty small. If we compare the size of the tiles with the other devices 
that I have seen, really tile is very small. I don’t consider tile waste of 
money, I think it is a tool that helps sighted and visually impaired.

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com[ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 12:53 PM
To:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

TrackR is accessible and replaceable-battery

 

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM < <mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> 
englishride...@gmail.com> wrote:

I heard of an item tracking device quite a while ago that let you replace the 
battery yourself. I can't remember the brand, but I think it was Motorola or LG 
or something.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Feb 3, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel < <mailto:siegh...@live.ca> 
siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at first, 
it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I read about 
the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription since the 
battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after which you have 
to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or replaced. Yes, they 
say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if you have a few of them 
it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a months. I think many 
people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay each months for renewing the 
things we need and want. Start with the big things we all need like 
rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and your monthly phone/internet 
bill which are now considered essential services. Then there is your TV even if 
all you have is a Netflix subscription, then most of us have some sort of music 
subscription like Apple Music or Spotify, then many of us nowadays have some 
sort of software which requires an annual software maintenance agreement or we 
may subscribe to various software on a monthly or annual bases like Office 365, 
KNFB Reader etc. Then there are the small things like maybe a bit of extra 
iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe a Ring Video Doorbell and on and on.

Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using it, you 
give the company permission to collect data about the movement of your Tile 
which, if you put one on your phone or keys means your movement and to use said 
data any which way they like including to share or sell it to third parties. I 
guess you could argue that your phone already collects this data except when 
you have an iPhone you can turn this or some of this off, you could choose to 
turn off your phone completely if you don’t want to be tracked and, at least in 
the case of Apple, I trust them the most that they aren’t sharing this 
information with everybody who may want it. Apple

Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

Oh, thanks so much. I have heard of them but did not realise this is what they 
were called. Do you know where they are stocked?

Thank you anyway for the information you have provided.



Carol P - Sent from my iPhone :)


On 15 Feb 2017, at 11:48 am, Greg Wocher <gwoc...@gwocher.com> wrote:

Hello,
These are little round discs that allow you to track your items you place them 
on with an app. They work via bluetooth. You attach them to an item you want to 
keep track of like your TV remote for example.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
> On Feb 15, 2017, at 3:42 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I keep seeing mention of these but haven't a clue what they are! Can anyone 
> please give me a description and explain how they help!
> 
> Yes, I could look it up, but I'm in danger of getting distracted by other 
> items which are called "tiles"!
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> 
> 
> Carol P - Sent from my iPhone :)
> 
> 
> On 4 Feb 2017, at 6:59 pm, Pablo C. Morales <pablocmd2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That is not true. You are able to replace one, or as many tiles you want. 
> They are going to give you a better price after you buy them the first time. 
> If you buy one tile, the price is higher than if you buy 12 tiles, but later 
> you are able to replace  one, or as many you want. Now about the 
> accessibility on the tile app, I have found that on android this app is a lot 
> more accessible. I have been writing to the tile tech support  regarding the 
> accessibility on IOs, but I haven’t seen any improvement, however on android 
> is a lot better.
> I have more than one year using tile, and it is very helpful, and moreover 
> they are pretty small. If we compare the size of the tiles with the other 
> devices that I have seen, really tile is very small. I don’t consider tile 
> waste of money, I think it is a tool that helps sighted and visually impaired.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 12:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!
>  
> TrackR is accessible and replaceable-battery
>  
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM <englishride...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I heard of an item tracking device quite a while ago that let you replace the 
> battery yourself. I can't remember the brand, but I think it was Motorola or 
> LG or something.
>  
>  
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Feb 3, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at 
> first, it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I 
> read about the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription 
> since the battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after 
> which you have to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or 
> replaced. Yes, they say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if 
> you have a few of them it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a 
> months. I think many people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay each 
> months for renewing the things we need and want. Start with the big things we 
> all need like rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and your monthly 
> phone/internet bill which are now considered essential services. Then there 
> is your TV even if all you have is a Netflix subscription, then most of us 
> have some sort of music subscription like Apple Music or Spotify, then many 
> of us nowadays have some sort of software which requires an annual software 
> maintenance agreement or we may subscribe to various software on a monthly or 
> annual bases like Office 365, KNFB Reader etc. Then there are the small 
> things like maybe a bit of extra iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe 
> a Ring Video Doorbell and on and on.
> Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using it, 
> you give the company permission to collect data about the movement of your 
> Tile which, if you put one on your phone or keys means your movement and to 
> use said data any which way they like including to share or sell it to third 
> parties. I guess you could argue that your phone already collects this data 
> except when you have an iPhone you can turn this or some of this off, you 
> could choose to turn off your phone completely if you don’t want to be 
> tracked and, at least in the case of Apple, I trust them the most that they 
> aren’t sharing this information with everybody who may want it. Apple unlike 
> Google does not make its money from gathering information about you which 
> they can then use to target you with ad

Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
These are little round discs that allow you to track your items you place them 
on with an app. They work via bluetooth. You attach them to an item you want to 
keep track of like your TV remote for example.

Regards,
Greg Wocher
> On Feb 15, 2017, at 3:42 AM, 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I keep seeing mention of these but haven't a clue what they are! Can anyone 
> please give me a description and explain how they help!
> 
> Yes, I could look it up, but I'm in danger of getting distracted by other 
> items which are called "tiles"!
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> 
> 
> Carol P - Sent from my iPhone :)
> 
> 
> On 4 Feb 2017, at 6:59 pm, Pablo C. Morales <pablocmd2...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:pablocmd2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> That is not true. You are able to replace one, or as many tiles you want. 
> They are going to give you a better price after you buy them the first time. 
> If you buy one tile, the price is higher than if you buy 12 tiles, but later 
> you are able to replace  one, or as many you want. Now about the 
> accessibility on the tile app, I have found that on android this app is a lot 
> more accessible. I have been writing to the tile tech support  regarding the 
> accessibility on IOs, but I haven’t seen any improvement, however on android 
> is a lot better.
> I have more than one year using tile, and it is very helpful, and moreover 
> they are pretty small. If we compare the size of the tiles with the other 
> devices that I have seen, really tile is very small. I don’t consider tile 
> waste of money, I think it is a tool that helps sighted and visually impaired.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 12:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!
>  
> TrackR is accessible and replaceable-battery
>  
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM <englishride...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:englishride...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I heard of an item tracking device quite a while ago that let you replace the 
> battery yourself. I can't remember the brand, but I think it was Motorola or 
> LG or something.
>  
>  
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Feb 3, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca 
> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
> I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at 
> first, it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I 
> read about the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription 
> since the battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after 
> which you have to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or 
> replaced. Yes, they say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if 
> you have a few of them it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a 
> months. I think many people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay each 
> months for renewing the things we need and want. Start with the big things we 
> all need like rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and your monthly 
> phone/internet bill which are now considered essential services. Then there 
> is your TV even if all you have is a Netflix subscription, then most of us 
> have some sort of music subscription like Apple Music or Spotify, then many 
> of us nowadays have some sort of software which requires an annual software 
> maintenance agreement or we may subscribe to various software on a monthly or 
> annual bases like Office 365, KNFB Reader etc. Then there are the small 
> things like maybe a bit of extra iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe 
> a Ring Video Doorbell and on and on.
> Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using it, 
> you give the company permission to collect data about the movement of your 
> Tile which, if you put one on your phone or keys means your movement and to 
> use said data any which way they like including to share or sell it to third 
> parties. I guess you could argue that your phone already collects this data 
> except when you have an iPhone you can turn this or some of this off, you 
> could choose to turn off your phone completely if you don’t want to be 
> tracked and, at least in the case of Apple, I trust them the most that they 
> aren’t sharing this information with everybody who may want it. Apple unlike 
> Google does not make its money from gathering information about you which 
> they can then use to target you with ads, they make their money with devices 
> and

Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

['Carol Pearson' via VIPhone]

I keep seeing mention of these but haven't a clue what they are! Can anyone 
please give me a description and explain how they help!

Yes, I could look it up, but I'm in danger of getting distracted by other items 
which are called "tiles"!

Thanks! 



Carol P - Sent from my iPhone :)


On 4 Feb 2017, at 6:59 pm, Pablo C. Morales <pablocmd2...@gmail.com> wrote:

That is not true. You are able to replace one, or as many tiles you want. They 
are going to give you a better price after you buy them the first time. If you 
buy one tile, the price is higher than if you buy 12 tiles, but later you are 
able to replace  one, or as many you want. Now about the accessibility on the 
tile app, I have found that on android this app is a lot more accessible. I 
have been writing to the tile tech support  regarding the accessibility on IOs, 
but I haven’t seen any improvement, however on android is a lot better.
I have more than one year using tile, and it is very helpful, and moreover they 
are pretty small. If we compare the size of the tiles with the other devices 
that I have seen, really tile is very small. I don’t consider tile waste of 
money, I think it is a tool that helps sighted and visually impaired.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!
 
TrackR is accessible and replaceable-battery
 
On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM <englishride...@gmail.com> wrote:
I heard of an item tracking device quite a while ago that let you replace the 
battery yourself. I can't remember the brand, but I think it was Motorola or LG 
or something.
 
 
Thanks,
Ari

On Feb 3, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:

I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at first, 
it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I read about 
the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription since the 
battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after which you have 
to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or replaced. Yes, they 
say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if you have a few of them 
it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a months. I think many 
people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay each months for renewing the 
things we need and want. Start with the big things we all need like 
rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and your monthly phone/internet 
bill which are now considered essential services. Then there is your TV even if 
all you have is a Netflix subscription, then most of us have some sort of music 
subscription like Apple Music or Spotify, then many of us nowadays have some 
sort of software which requires an annual software maintenance agreement or we 
may subscribe to various software on a monthly or annual bases like Office 365, 
KNFB Reader etc. Then there are the small things like maybe a bit of extra 
iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe a Ring Video Doorbell and on and on.
Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using it, you 
give the company permission to collect data about the movement of your Tile 
which, if you put one on your phone or keys means your movement and to use said 
data any which way they like including to share or sell it to third parties. I 
guess you could argue that your phone already collects this data except when 
you have an iPhone you can turn this or some of this off, you could choose to 
turn off your phone completely if you don’t want to be tracked and, at least in 
the case of Apple, I trust them the most that they aren’t sharing this 
information with everybody who may want it. Apple unlike Google does not make 
its money from gathering information about you which they can then use to 
target you with ads, they make their money with devices and services and given 
their stand on this in the past are probably one of the companies who cares 
about privacy the most.
 
Best regards,
Sieghard
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 4:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!
 
Hi, yes, lets see how this pans out.  The Tile is a good idea though as 
long as you don’t loose it.  It does not take much to loose something like 
this.  Andy and Shubert
 
From: Mike Ulrich
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!
 
I had a long talk with a Malware Bytes support person on the phone yesterday.
She told me that I would need a sighted person to help set up everything. I 
told her I didn’t have that luxury.
I was very nice and gave her a long list of reasons Malware Bytes should 
consider making this what seems great product, accessible. I would thin

Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Grant]

gt; along they way they continue to produce garbage in record levels. Most of us 
> don't plan ahead so we bring reuseable bags to the supermarket to put our 
> groceries in, you go to the deli and ask for half a pound of ham and it gets 
> wrapped in plastic and then it's put in a ziplock bag instead of people 
> bringing the container they use at home and which could be used for years and 
> years.
> I'm of course just as guilty as many when it comes to consuming and while I 
> try to do what I can to reduce the waste I produce I'm not always successful 
> and often can't be successful because if I buy something I need and it comes 
> in a package that is three times the size than it would have to be there is 
> little I can do. But I have started to realize that even with fun gadgets 
> sometimes less is more. I sometimes wonder about Android, but I like my 
> iPhone, it does what I need it to do and I just don't see why I should buy a 
> second phone which most of the time would only sit there and then in a year 
> or two it's outdated and I would need to replace it etc. Just my opinion.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Pablo C. Morales
> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 11:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!
>  
> That is not true. You are able to replace one, or as many tiles you want. 
> They are going to give you a better price after you buy them the first time. 
> If you buy one tile, the price is higher than if you buy 12 tiles, but later 
> you are able to replace  one, or as many you want. Now about the 
> accessibility on the tile app, I have found that on android this app is a lot 
> more accessible. I have been writing to the tile tech support  regarding the 
> accessibility on IOs, but I haven’t seen any improvement, however on android 
> is a lot better.
> I have more than one year using tile, and it is very helpful, and moreover 
> they are pretty small. If we compare the size of the tiles with the other 
> devices that I have seen, really tile is very small. I don’t consider tile 
> waste of money, I think it is a tool that helps sighted and visually impaired.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
> Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 12:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!
>  
> TrackR is accessible and replaceable-battery
>  
> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM <englishride...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:englishride...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I heard of an item tracking device quite a while ago that let you replace the 
> battery yourself. I can't remember the brand, but I think it was Motorola or 
> LG or something.
>  
>  
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Feb 3, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca 
> <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
> 
> I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at 
> first, it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I 
> read about the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription 
> since the battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after 
> which you have to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or 
> replaced. Yes, they say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if 
> you have a few of them it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a 
> months. I think many people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay each 
> months for renewing the things we need and want. Start with the big things we 
> all need like rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and your monthly 
> phone/internet bill which are now considered essential services. Then there 
> is your TV even if all you have is a Netflix subscription, then most of us 
> have some sort of music subscription like Apple Music or Spotify, then many 
> of us nowadays have some sort of software which requires an annual software 
> maintenance agreement or we may subscribe to various software on a monthly or 
> annual bases like Office 365, KNFB Reader etc. Then there are the small 
> things like maybe a bit of extra iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe 
> a Ring Video Doorbell and on and on.
> Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using it, 
> you give the company permission to collect data about the movement of your 
> Tile which, if you pu

RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Pablo Cesar Morales]

Sieghard

Don’t be so susceptible.  No, what you are saying now is not related with your 
previous email. I am going to paste your previous email, and please where is 
the connection with your Greenpeace message with your previous message. You 
been naturalist?

Where is the Sieghard

That every time that apple promote a new device comes to the list to promote 
those devices? Are you aware about the apple policies and the TPP?

Sieghard been green now?

When you are promoting all kind of things, like smart hair dryers or bolds that 
you can turn off with your iPhone?

Come on man, we are not stupids.

You every year buy new phones, you every year are throughing an iPhone. You 
been green?

No, you are not green. You don’t care about those things Sieghard. Here is the 
line where you said something that is not true.

“Yes, they say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if you have a 
few of them it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a months.”

Again, it is not true.

 

e have some of them working. It is not true.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 4:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

Hi Pablo,

 

Everybody decides what to spend money on and how connected one wants to be. I 
didn't say the Tile is a bad thing, I just made a point about how some 
technology is created to make you continuously spend money, how many companies 
try to collect as much information about your habits and likes as possible and 
how many products are also designed not to last too long and to be replaced 
rather than repaired which of course adds to one of the biggest but least 
discussed issues of modern life - garbage.

If you like the Tile anbd find it useful that's great, I was just saying that 
my personal choice is that I would not buy a product like the Tile which I know 
I have to replace in a year or a bit more than a year. I dislike the idea that 
the company says they can do what they want with the information they collect 
and I wonder what happens to the Tile when the battery is done, do you send it 
back to the company when they send the replacement or do you throw it in the 
trash or recycling bin? Given the cost and how much shipping costs I somehow 
don't think they'll send you a prepaid return label so you can mail it in to 
them where they replace the battery and use it again.

Another great example of waste is with most printers today. You can buy one for 
$50 to $100, when the ink runs out it's often cheaper to throw it away and buy 
a new one because often new cartridges cost as much as the printer. If 
something happens there is no way it can or will be repaired because again it 
would cost more to do that than to buy a new printer. Then there is all the 
packaging, many small things come in big blister packs and all of it goes in 
the garbage which is why there is a pile of junk floating in the pacific that 
is twice the size of Texas and that's just the north pacific patch (one out of 
5 garbage patches in our various oceans).

All that plastic is broken down by sunlight, the salt water and waves and now 
is starting to show up in the fish we buy at the super market. I think that 
problem is just beginning and they now found traces of micro plastic not just 
in the fish stomachs but actually inside the flesh and nobody even knows yet 
what consequences this will have on our health in the long run. Most people as 
well as many companies make a big point about "being green", they drive 
electric cars and design office buildings that are energy efficient while along 
they way they continue to produce garbage in record levels. Most of us don't 
plan ahead so we bring reuseable bags to the supermarket to put our groceries 
in, you go to the deli and ask for half a pound of ham and it gets wrapped in 
plastic and then it's put in a ziplock bag instead of people bringing the 
container they use at home and which could be used for years and years.

I'm of course just as guilty as many when it comes to consuming and while I try 
to do what I can to reduce the waste I produce I'm not always successful and 
often can't be successful because if I buy something I need and it comes in a 
package that is three times the size than it would have to be there is little I 
can do. But I have started to realize that even with fun gadgets sometimes less 
is more. I sometimes wonder about Android, but I like my iPhone, it does what I 
need it to do and I just don't see why I should buy a second phone which most 
of the time would only sit there and then in a year or two it's outdated and I 
would need to replace it etc. Just my opinion.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From:  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> viphone@googlegroups.com [ 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. 

Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Barry Abbott]

Hello all. I purchased some Tiles from Amazon in November  after hearing a 
Podcast by David Woodbridge. He demonstrated how to use the app in a round 
about way. He too had been speaking to a Tile representative according to the 
podcast regarding accessibility.

The iOS app is dreadful but it does work much better on Android as demonstrated 
by David Woodbridge. We also have it on my wife’s Samsung Tablet. 
Unfortunately,it cannot be installed on the BrailleNote Touch because you need 
version 5 or greater of the android platform and the touch runs 4.2. 

 I use the Tile app on the Apple watch and this seems to work quite well for me.

Barry
 .  
Barry Abbott
bpabbo...@gmail.com



> On Feb 3, 2017, at 6:01 AM, Andrew J. LaPointe  
> wrote:
> 
> `Hi, I got a tile for Christmas from my son.  My son mentioned about the 
> Tile sometime in November and I downloaded the App to my I Phone.  Well, 
> Accessibility was in the toilet.  I have the Tile installed but, my son had 
> to install it.  It works great but, with sighted help.  Andy and Shubert
>  
> From: Mike Ulrich 
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Tiles and tile app? Not!
>  
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RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.]

Thanks. Can you say more about this? Thanks, Keith

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 11:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

TrackR is accessible and replaceable-battery

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM 
<englishride...@gmail.com<mailto:englishride...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I heard of an item tracking device quite a while ago that let you replace the 
battery yourself. I can't remember the brand, but I think it was Motorola or LG 
or something.


Thanks,
Ari

On Feb 3, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:
I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at first, 
it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I read about 
the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription since the 
battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after which you have 
to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or replaced. Yes, they 
say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if you have a few of them 
it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a months. I think many 
people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay each months for renewing the 
things we need and want. Start with the big things we all need like 
rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and your monthly phone/internet 
bill which are now considered essential services. Then there is your TV even if 
all you have is a Netflix subscription, then most of us have some sort of music 
subscription like Apple Music or Spotify, then many of us nowadays have some 
sort of software which requires an annual software maintenance agreement or we 
may subscribe to various software on a monthly or annual bases like Office 365, 
KNFB Reader etc. Then there are the small things like maybe a bit of extra 
iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe a Ring Video Doorbell and on and on.
Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using it, you 
give the company permission to collect data about the movement of your Tile 
which, if you put one on your phone or keys means your movement and to use said 
data any which way they like including to share or sell it to third parties. I 
guess you could argue that your phone already collects this data except when 
you have an iPhone you can turn this or some of this off, you could choose to 
turn off your phone completely if you don’t want to be tracked and, at least in 
the case of Apple, I trust them the most that they aren’t sharing this 
information with everybody who may want it. Apple unlike Google does not make 
its money from gathering information about you which they can then use to 
target you with ads, they make their money with devices and services and given 
their stand on this in the past are probably one of the companies who cares 
about privacy the most.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 4:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

Hi, yes, lets see how this pans out.  The Tile is a good idea though as 
long as you don’t loose it.  It does not take much to loose something like 
this.  Andy and Shubert

From: Mike Ulrich<mailto:mulr...@centurylink.net>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

I had a long talk with a Malware Bytes support person on the phone yesterday.
She told me that I would need a sighted person to help set up everything. I 
told her I didn’t have that luxury.
I was very nice and gave her a long list of reasons Malware Bytes should 
consider making this what seems great product, accessible. I would think it so 
very simple to make both the app and website accessible. She gave me all the 
answers we’ve heard before when it comes to advocating for better accessibility 
on websites and apps.

She said she understood the blind community’s complaints against non 
accessibility, and that the company has had many complaints in the past. She 
then said there should probably be an upcoming update to make the app more 
accessible for blind users.

So let’s see what happens. I did tell her that I’ll keep the app and the one 
tile I did purchase from Amazon; and hope for this update to come out soon.
So I’ll give it a couple of months, and if it’s all hogwash, anyone wanna buy a 
single stick on tile on the cheap?
I believe 9 out of 10 sightlings prefer it! LOL!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.c

RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Pablo,

Everybody decides what to spend money on and how connected one wants to be. I 
didn't say the Tile is a bad thing, I just made a point about how some 
technology is created to make you continuously spend money, how many companies 
try to collect as much information about your habits and likes as possible and 
how many products are also designed not to last too long and to be replaced 
rather than repaired which of course adds to one of the biggest but least 
discussed issues of modern life - garbage.
If you like the Tile anbd find it useful that's great, I was just saying that 
my personal choice is that I would not buy a product like the Tile which I know 
I have to replace in a year or a bit more than a year. I dislike the idea that 
the company says they can do what they want with the information they collect 
and I wonder what happens to the Tile when the battery is done, do you send it 
back to the company when they send the replacement or do you throw it in the 
trash or recycling bin? Given the cost and how much shipping costs I somehow 
don't think they'll send you a prepaid return label so you can mail it in to 
them where they replace the battery and use it again.
Another great example of waste is with most printers today. You can buy one for 
$50 to $100, when the ink runs out it's often cheaper to throw it away and buy 
a new one because often new cartridges cost as much as the printer. If 
something happens there is no way it can or will be repaired because again it 
would cost more to do that than to buy a new printer. Then there is all the 
packaging, many small things come in big blister packs and all of it goes in 
the garbage which is why there is a pile of junk floating in the pacific that 
is twice the size of Texas and that's just the north pacific patch (one out of 
5 garbage patches in our various oceans).
All that plastic is broken down by sunlight, the salt water and waves and now 
is starting to show up in the fish we buy at the super market. I think that 
problem is just beginning and they now found traces of micro plastic not just 
in the fish stomachs but actually inside the flesh and nobody even knows yet 
what consequences this will have on our health in the long run. Most people as 
well as many companies make a big point about "being green", they drive 
electric cars and design office buildings that are energy efficient while along 
they way they continue to produce garbage in record levels. Most of us don't 
plan ahead so we bring reuseable bags to the supermarket to put our groceries 
in, you go to the deli and ask for half a pound of ham and it gets wrapped in 
plastic and then it's put in a ziplock bag instead of people bringing the 
container they use at home and which could be used for years and years.
I'm of course just as guilty as many when it comes to consuming and while I try 
to do what I can to reduce the waste I produce I'm not always successful and 
often can't be successful because if I buy something I need and it comes in a 
package that is three times the size than it would have to be there is little I 
can do. But I have started to realize that even with fun gadgets sometimes less 
is more. I sometimes wonder about Android, but I like my iPhone, it does what I 
need it to do and I just don't see why I should buy a second phone which most 
of the time would only sit there and then in a year or two it's outdated and I 
would need to replace it etc. Just my opinion.

Regards,
Sieghard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo C. Morales
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2017 11:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

That is not true. You are able to replace one, or as many tiles you want. They 
are going to give you a better price after you buy them the first time. If you 
buy one tile, the price is higher than if you buy 12 tiles, but later you are 
able to replace  one, or as many you want. Now about the accessibility on the 
tile app, I have found that on android this app is a lot more accessible. I 
have been writing to the tile tech support  regarding the accessibility on IOs, 
but I haven’t seen any improvement, however on android is a lot better.
I have more than one year using tile, and it is very helpful, and moreover they 
are pretty small. If we compare the size of the tiles with the other devices 
that I have seen, really tile is very small. I don’t consider tile waste of 
money, I think it is a tool that helps sighted and visually impaired.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

TrackR is accessible and replaceable-battery

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM 
<englishride...@gmail.com<mailto:englishride..

RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Pablo C. Morales]

That is not true. You are able to replace one, or as many tiles you want. They 
are going to give you a better price after you buy them the first time. If you 
buy one tile, the price is higher than if you buy 12 tiles, but later you are 
able to replace  one, or as many you want. Now about the accessibility on the 
tile app, I have found that on android this app is a lot more accessible. I 
have been writing to the tile tech support  regarding the accessibility on IOs, 
but I haven’t seen any improvement, however on android is a lot better.

I have more than one year using tile, and it is very helpful, and moreover they 
are pretty small. If we compare the size of the tiles with the other devices 
that I have seen, really tile is very small. I don’t consider tile waste of 
money, I think it is a tool that helps sighted and visually impaired.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kevin Chao
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2017 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

TrackR is accessible and replaceable-battery

 

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM <englishride...@gmail.com 
<mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I heard of an item tracking device quite a while ago that let you replace the 
battery yourself. I can't remember the brand, but I think it was Motorola or LG 
or something.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Feb 3, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca 
<mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at first, 
it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I read about 
the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription since the 
battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after which you have 
to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or replaced. Yes, they 
say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if you have a few of them 
it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a months. I think many 
people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay each months for renewing the 
things we need and want. Start with the big things we all need like 
rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and your monthly phone/internet 
bill which are now considered essential services. Then there is your TV even if 
all you have is a Netflix subscription, then most of us have some sort of music 
subscription like Apple Music or Spotify, then many of us nowadays have some 
sort of software which requires an annual software maintenance agreement or we 
may subscribe to various software on a monthly or annual bases like Office 365, 
KNFB Reader etc. Then there are the small things like maybe a bit of extra 
iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe a Ring Video Doorbell and on and on.

Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using it, you 
give the company permission to collect data about the movement of your Tile 
which, if you put one on your phone or keys means your movement and to use said 
data any which way they like including to share or sell it to third parties. I 
guess you could argue that your phone already collects this data except when 
you have an iPhone you can turn this or some of this off, you could choose to 
turn off your phone completely if you don’t want to be tracked and, at least in 
the case of Apple, I trust them the most that they aren’t sharing this 
information with everybody who may want it. Apple unlike Google does not make 
its money from gathering information about you which they can then use to 
target you with ads, they make their money with devices and services and given 
their stand on this in the past are probably one of the companies who cares 
about privacy the most.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 4:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

Hi, yes, lets see how this pans out.  The Tile is a good idea though as 
long as you don’t loose it.  It does not take much to loose something like 
this.  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Mike Ulrich <mailto:mulr...@centurylink.net>  

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:21 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Subject: RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

I had a long talk with a Malware Bytes support person on the phone yesterday.

She told me that I would need a sighted person to help set up everything. I 
told her I didn’t have that luxury.

I was very nice and gave her a long list of reasons Malware Bytes should 
consider making this what seems great product, accessible. I would think it so 
very simple to make both the app and website accessible. She gave me all the 
answers we’ve hea

Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Kevin Chao]

TrackR is accessible and replaceable-battery

On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM <englishride...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I heard of an item tracking device quite a while ago that let you replace
> the battery yourself. I can't remember the brand, but I think it was
> Motorola or LG or something.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ari
>
> On Feb 3, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>
> I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at
> first, it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I
> read about the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription
> since the battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after
> which you have to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or
> replaced. Yes, they say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but
> if you have a few of them it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even
> more a months. I think many people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay
> each months for renewing the things we need and want. Start with the big
> things we all need like rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and
> your monthly phone/internet bill which are now considered essential
> services. Then there is your TV even if all you have is a Netflix
> subscription, then most of us have some sort of music subscription like
> Apple Music or Spotify, then many of us nowadays have some sort of software
> which requires an annual software maintenance agreement or we may subscribe
> to various software on a monthly or annual bases like Office 365, KNFB
> Reader etc. Then there are the small things like maybe a bit of extra
> iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe a Ring Video Doorbell and on
> and on.
>
> Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using
> it, you give the company permission to collect data about the movement of
> your Tile which, if you put one on your phone or keys means your movement
> and to use said data any which way they like including to share or sell it
> to third parties. I guess you could argue that your phone already collects
> this data except when you have an iPhone you can turn this or some of this
> off, you could choose to turn off your phone completely if you don’t want
> to be tracked and, at least in the case of Apple, I trust them the most
> that they aren’t sharing this information with everybody who may want it.
> Apple unlike Google does not make its money from gathering information
> about you which they can then use to target you with ads, they make their
> money with devices and services and given their stand on this in the past
> are probably one of the companies who cares about privacy the most.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Sieghard
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
> <viphone@googlegroups.com>] *On Behalf Of *Andrew J. LaPointe
> *Sent:* Friday, February 3, 2017 4:27 AM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!
>
>
>
> *Hi, yes, lets see how this pans out.  The Tile is a good idea though
> as long as you don’t loose it.  It does not take much to loose something
> like this.  Andy and Shubert*
>
>
>
> *From:* Mike Ulrich <mulr...@centurylink.net>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 03, 2017 5:21 AM
>
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>
> *Subject:* RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!
>
>
>
> I had a long talk with a Malware Bytes support person on the phone
> yesterday.
>
> She told me that I would need a sighted person to help set up everything.
> I told her I didn’t have that luxury.
>
> I was very nice and gave her a long list of reasons Malware Bytes should
> consider making this what seems great product, accessible. I would think it
> so very simple to make both the app and website accessible. She gave me all
> the answers we’ve heard before when it comes to advocating for better
> accessibility on websites and apps.
>
>
>
> She said she understood the blind community’s complaints against non
> accessibility, and that the company has had many complaints in the past.
> She then said there should probably be an upcoming update to make the app
> more accessible for blind users.
>
>
>
> So let’s see what happens. I did tell her that I’ll keep the app and the
> one tile I did purchase from Amazon; and hope for this update to come out
> soon.
>
> So I’ll give it a couple of months, and if it’s all hogwash, anyone wanna
> buy a single stick on tile on the cheap?
>
> I believe 9 out of 10 sightlings prefer it! LOL!
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
> <viphone@googlegroups.com&

Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[englishrider91]

I heard of an item tracking device quite a while ago that let you replace the 
battery yourself. I can't remember the brand, but I think it was Motorola or LG 
or something.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Feb 3, 2017, at 8:45 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at 
> first, it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I 
> read about the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription 
> since the battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after 
> which you have to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or 
> replaced. Yes, they say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if 
> you have a few of them it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a 
> months. I think many people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay each 
> months for renewing the things we need and want. Start with the big things we 
> all need like rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and your monthly 
> phone/internet bill which are now considered essential services. Then there 
> is your TV even if all you have is a Netflix subscription, then most of us 
> have some sort of music subscription like Apple Music or Spotify, then many 
> of us nowadays have some sort of software which requires an annual software 
> maintenance agreement or we may subscribe to various software on a monthly or 
> annual bases like Office 365, KNFB Reader etc. Then there are the small 
> things like maybe a bit of extra iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe 
> a Ring Video Doorbell and on and on.
> Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using it, 
> you give the company permission to collect data about the movement of your 
> Tile which, if you put one on your phone or keys means your movement and to 
> use said data any which way they like including to share or sell it to third 
> parties. I guess you could argue that your phone already collects this data 
> except when you have an iPhone you can turn this or some of this off, you 
> could choose to turn off your phone completely if you don’t want to be 
> tracked and, at least in the case of Apple, I trust them the most that they 
> aren’t sharing this information with everybody who may want it. Apple unlike 
> Google does not make its money from gathering information about you which 
> they can then use to target you with ads, they make their money with devices 
> and services and given their stand on this in the past are probably one of 
> the companies who cares about privacy the most.
>  
> Best regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andrew J. LaPointe
> Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 4:27 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!
>  
> Hi, yes, lets see how this pans out.  The Tile is a good idea though as 
> long as you don’t loose it.  It does not take much to loose something like 
> this.  Andy and Shubert
>  
> From: Mike Ulrich
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!
>  
> I had a long talk with a Malware Bytes support person on the phone yesterday.
> She told me that I would need a sighted person to help set up everything. I 
> told her I didn’t have that luxury.
> I was very nice and gave her a long list of reasons Malware Bytes should 
> consider making this what seems great product, accessible. I would think it 
> so very simple to make both the app and website accessible. She gave me all 
> the answers we’ve heard before when it comes to advocating for better 
> accessibility on websites and apps.
>  
> She said she understood the blind community’s complaints against non 
> accessibility, and that the company has had many complaints in the past. She 
> then said there should probably be an upcoming update to make the app more 
> accessible for blind users.
>  
> So let’s see what happens. I did tell her that I’ll keep the app and the one 
> tile I did purchase from Amazon; and hope for this update to come out soon.
> So I’ll give it a couple of months, and if it’s all hogwash, anyone wanna buy 
> a single stick on tile on the cheap?
> I believe 9 out of 10 sightlings prefer it! LOL!
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Andrew J. LaPointe
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:01 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!
>  
> `Hi, I got a tile for Christmas from my son.  My son mentioned about the 
> Tile sometime in November and I downloaded the App to my I Phone.  Well, 
> Accessibility was in the to

RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Mike Ulrich]

Hi Sieghard,

You bring some very good points to the table, that I had not realized at all.

I purchased the one stick on tile, and now I’m finding out I just should not 
have bought it. Typical “Too good to be true”.

But as good old PT Barnum used to say “There’s a sucker born every day”.

 

So do you think there’s a product out there like the Tile, that isn’t selling 
its info on you, is truly accessible and you can replace the batteries when 
they die? I believe there’s probably a plethora of them, but I’d imagine there 
all, or most of them, are just like the Tile and all its shortfalls?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 11:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at first, 
it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I read about 
the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription since the 
battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after which you have 
to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or replaced. Yes, they 
say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if you have a few of them 
it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a months. I think many 
people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay each months for renewing the 
things we need and want. Start with the big things we all need like 
rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and your monthly phone/internet 
bill which are now considered essential services. Then there is your TV even if 
all you have is a Netflix subscription, then most of us have some sort of music 
subscription like Apple Music or Spotify, then many of us nowadays have some 
sort of software which requires an annual software maintenance agreement or we 
may subscribe to various software on a monthly or annual bases like Office 365, 
KNFB Reader etc. Then there are the small things like maybe a bit of extra 
iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe a Ring Video Doorbell and on and on.

Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using it, you 
give the company permission to collect data about the movement of your Tile 
which, if you put one on your phone or keys means your movement and to use said 
data any which way they like including to share or sell it to third parties. I 
guess you could argue that your phone already collects this data except when 
you have an iPhone you can turn this or some of this off, you could choose to 
turn off your phone completely if you don’t want to be tracked and, at least in 
the case of Apple, I trust them the most that they aren’t sharing this 
information with everybody who may want it. Apple unlike Google does not make 
its money from gathering information about you which they can then use to 
target you with ads, they make their money with devices and services and given 
their stand on this in the past are probably one of the companies who cares 
about privacy the most.

 

Best regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 4:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

Hi, yes, lets see how this pans out.  The Tile is a good idea though as 
long as you don’t loose it.  It does not take much to loose something like 
this.  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Mike Ulrich <mailto:mulr...@centurylink.net>  

Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:21 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

I had a long talk with a Malware Bytes support person on the phone yesterday.

She told me that I would need a sighted person to help set up everything. I 
told her I didn’t have that luxury.

I was very nice and gave her a long list of reasons Malware Bytes should 
consider making this what seems great product, accessible. I would think it so 
very simple to make both the app and website accessible. She gave me all the 
answers we’ve heard before when it comes to advocating for better accessibility 
on websites and apps.

 

She said she understood the blind community’s complaints against non 
accessibility, and that the company has had many complaints in the past. She 
then said there should probably be an upcoming update to make the app more 
accessible for blind users.

 

So let’s see what happens. I did tell her that I’ll keep the app and the one 
tile I did purchase from Amazon; and hope for this update to come out soon.

So I’ll give it a couple of months, and if it’s all hogwash, anyone wanna buy a 
single stick on tile on the cheap?

I believe 9 out of 10 sightlings prefer it! LOL!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re:

RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I’m a bit late to this discussion, but while this sounds pretty cool at first, 
it’s in my opinion also a money grab and privacy collector. After I read about 
the Tile I realized that it’s basically yet another subscription since the 
battery in these things is supposed to last about a year after which you have 
to buy a new Tile since the battery can’t be recharged or replaced. Yes, they 
say they sell you consequent Tiles at a discount, but if you have a few of them 
it still works out to another $4 or $6 or even more a months. I think many 
people nowadays don’t realize how much we pay each months for renewing the 
things we need and want. Start with the big things we all need like 
rent/mortgage payments, then food, utilities and your monthly phone/internet 
bill which are now considered essential services. Then there is your TV even if 
all you have is a Netflix subscription, then most of us have some sort of music 
subscription like Apple Music or Spotify, then many of us nowadays have some 
sort of software which requires an annual software maintenance agreement or we 
may subscribe to various software on a monthly or annual bases like Office 365, 
KNFB Reader etc. Then there are the small things like maybe a bit of extra 
iCloud Storage, optional devices like maybe a Ring Video Doorbell and on and on.
Secondly it appears that when you install the Tiles app and start using it, you 
give the company permission to collect data about the movement of your Tile 
which, if you put one on your phone or keys means your movement and to use said 
data any which way they like including to share or sell it to third parties. I 
guess you could argue that your phone already collects this data except when 
you have an iPhone you can turn this or some of this off, you could choose to 
turn off your phone completely if you don’t want to be tracked and, at least in 
the case of Apple, I trust them the most that they aren’t sharing this 
information with everybody who may want it. Apple unlike Google does not make 
its money from gathering information about you which they can then use to 
target you with ads, they make their money with devices and services and given 
their stand on this in the past are probably one of the companies who cares 
about privacy the most.

Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2017 4:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

Hi, yes, lets see how this pans out.  The Tile is a good idea though as 
long as you don’t loose it.  It does not take much to loose something like 
this.  Andy and Shubert

From: Mike Ulrich<mailto:mulr...@centurylink.net>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

I had a long talk with a Malware Bytes support person on the phone yesterday.
She told me that I would need a sighted person to help set up everything. I 
told her I didn’t have that luxury.
I was very nice and gave her a long list of reasons Malware Bytes should 
consider making this what seems great product, accessible. I would think it so 
very simple to make both the app and website accessible. She gave me all the 
answers we’ve heard before when it comes to advocating for better accessibility 
on websites and apps.

She said she understood the blind community’s complaints against non 
accessibility, and that the company has had many complaints in the past. She 
then said there should probably be an upcoming update to make the app more 
accessible for blind users.

So let’s see what happens. I did tell her that I’ll keep the app and the one 
tile I did purchase from Amazon; and hope for this update to come out soon.
So I’ll give it a couple of months, and if it’s all hogwash, anyone wanna buy a 
single stick on tile on the cheap?
I believe 9 out of 10 sightlings prefer it! LOL!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

`Hi, I got a tile for Christmas from my son.  My son mentioned about the 
Tile sometime in November and I downloaded the App to my I Phone.  Well, 
Accessibility was in the toilet.  I have the Tile installed but, my son had to 
install it.  It works great but, with sighted help.  Andy and Shubert

From: Mike Ulrich<mailto:mulr...@centurylink.net>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Tiles and tile app? Not!

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Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

Hi, yes, lets see how this pans out.  The Tile is a good idea though as 
long as you don’t loose it.  It does not take much to loose something like 
this.  Andy and Shubert

From: Mike Ulrich 
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

I had a long talk with a Malware Bytes support person on the phone yesterday.

She told me that I would need a sighted person to help set up everything. I 
told her I didn’t have that luxury.

I was very nice and gave her a long list of reasons Malware Bytes should 
consider making this what seems great product, accessible. I would think it so 
very simple to make both the app and website accessible. She gave me all the 
answers we’ve heard before when it comes to advocating for better accessibility 
on websites and apps.

 

She said she understood the blind community’s complaints against non 
accessibility, and that the company has had many complaints in the past. She 
then said there should probably be an upcoming update to make the app more 
accessible for blind users.

 

So let’s see what happens. I did tell her that I’ll keep the app and the one 
tile I did purchase from Amazon; and hope for this update to come out soon.

So I’ll give it a couple of months, and if it’s all hogwash, anyone wanna buy a 
single stick on tile on the cheap?

I believe 9 out of 10 sightlings prefer it! LOL!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

`Hi, I got a tile for Christmas from my son.  My son mentioned about the 
Tile sometime in November and I downloaded the App to my I Phone.  Well, 
Accessibility was in the toilet.  I have the Tile installed but, my son had to 
install it.  It works great but, with sighted help.  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Mike Ulrich 

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:57 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

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RE: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Mike Ulrich]

I had a long talk with a Malware Bytes support person on the phone yesterday.

She told me that I would need a sighted person to help set up everything. I 
told her I didn’t have that luxury.

I was very nice and gave her a long list of reasons Malware Bytes should 
consider making this what seems great product, accessible. I would think it so 
very simple to make both the app and website accessible. She gave me all the 
answers we’ve heard before when it comes to advocating for better accessibility 
on websites and apps.

 

She said she understood the blind community’s complaints against non 
accessibility, and that the company has had many complaints in the past. She 
then said there should probably be an upcoming update to make the app more 
accessible for blind users.

 

So let’s see what happens. I did tell her that I’ll keep the app and the one 
tile I did purchase from Amazon; and hope for this update to come out soon.

So I’ll give it a couple of months, and if it’s all hogwash, anyone wanna buy a 
single stick on tile on the cheap?

I believe 9 out of 10 sightlings prefer it! LOL!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Andrew J. LaPointe
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2017 5:01 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

`Hi, I got a tile for Christmas from my son.  My son mentioned about the 
Tile sometime in November and I downloaded the App to my I Phone.  Well, 
Accessibility was in the toilet.  I have the Tile installed but, my son had to 
install it.  It works great but, with sighted help.  Andy and Shubert

 

From: Mike Ulrich <mailto:mulr...@centurylink.net>  

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 3:57 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Tiles and tile app? Not!

 

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Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Andrew J. LaPointe]

`Hi, I got a tile for Christmas from my son.  My son mentioned about the 
Tile sometime in November and I downloaded the App to my I Phone.  Well, 
Accessibility was in the toilet.  I have the Tile installed but, my son had to 
install it.  It works great but, with sighted help.  Andy and Shubert

From: Mike Ulrich 
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Re: Tiles and tile app? Not!

[Richard Turner]

First, Tiles were not developed for the blind, it just happens that the concept 
could be useful. Could be.
I was gifted a Tile a couple years ago. I could not set up the account on my 
own.
Once set up, the app worked OK, but the tile sound was so soft, you had to be 
within a few feet to hear it.
Over priced gadget for those who have money to burn.
Richard



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On Feb 2, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Mike Ulrich 
> wrote:

OK, so I got all excited after hearing about this new cool app along with its  
devices for the blind.
So my single Tile Slim arrived yesterday from Amazon. Boy Howdy, I was ready to 
rock with this thing!
I download the app, and try to set up an account and all that.


1.   The app is crap and a half! Now I ain’t no rocket science, nor do I 
play one on TV. But I ain’t no dummy either.

2.   Their website also blows big time! You can’t even find a phone number 
or email address for customer service
Or Tech Support. But there is a non accessible Support Chat Box. Hallelujah!
So I’d bet this bomb A** website looks and functions great for all those 
sightlings! Hog wash!
All I wanted to do is give Tile the benefit of the doubt; and contact them so 
they could walk me through everything over the phone or through email. But 
alas, that ain’t gonna happen!
Well another blind Ponzi scheme got my money again.
But I’ll keep on pursuing an accessible way to communicate with their Tech 
Support, and if I can’t simply do that; I’ll blast and flame them on every 
blind list serve I belong to.

BTW: I’ve heard through the blind grapevine that just about all of these 
locator little devices, suck as far as their accessibility is concerned.

OK I promise to get off my rant now, but can anyone tell me if they’ve 
succeeded in setting up their Tile account and all that; all by their blind 
selves?
I really want this thing to work, seamlessly.
Michael D. Ulrich
Just an ordinary average blind guy!
“Providing Insight for Blindness”
Florida Council of the Blind
Fundraising Committee Member
FCB 6th Annual Blind Fishing Tournament!
Saturday March 11, 2017!
Cape Coral Yacht Club; 5819 Driftwood Pkwy. Cape Coral, Fl. 33904

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