Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Christopher Chaltain]

I agree some people can be negative, and this includes the blind as well 
as the sighted, but asking for a feature isn't the same as being 
ungrateful, continuously complaining or never being satisfied. I agree 
we should be appreciative of the developments going on with the 
accessibility of mobile devices and apps, but I also think we should be 
able to ask for improvements and not just be satisfied with whatever 
some developer at Microsoft or Apple thinks we need. A large reason we 
have the options we do now is because blind people have asked for 
features and improvements in the past, and in the spirit of working 
together and making things better, I think we should be able to continue 
to ask for improvements and features without being told we're never 
satisfied, ungrateful, or constantly complaining.



On 12/18/2017 01:35 PM, Candy Lowe wrote:

Peg, I am in total agreement with you. Just aggravates me so much because I am 
67 years old and grew up with relatively no technology at all. Now things are 
so much better and yet it appears that some of the blind people are never 
satisfied.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:51 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:



Hi,
I think it’s very interesting that some blind people complain when they don’t 
get what they think they need, and yet when they get something there very 
ungrateful and continuously complain about it.
We all need to work together and figure things out and improve what we have and 
strive to find new ways to help others and do new things.

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.



On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:05 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

Hands up to Richard.  I totally agree.
The thought of being able to read hand writing has always been just a dream.
As Richard has said.  If you have been totally blind for all your life or most 
of your life this technology it great.
We take what we can get and Seeing AI is giving it all to us.

I know a friend who has slowly been losing their sight and is now having to use 
OCR technology and thinks it isn't that good.

Who started off with a Kurzwil Scanner at £10,000 30 years ago?  We have 
suffered through technology changing.  And everyday it gets just that little 
bit better to me it's a huge mile stone.

Enjoy what we have got because you would not have coped 30 years ago.

Cheers
Martin



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: 18 December 2017 15:54
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI


So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are blind 
have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on what it cannot 
do?
This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without sight.
Now, if you want to write the developer and make a request that they work on 
allowing a way to combine the Document Channel, with the handwriting, fine. But 
as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft deserves nothing but praise for this huge 
step forward. And, since the person at Microsoft who spearheaded this app is 
blind, he probably is already working on recognition in forms.

Just my opinion.

Richard



"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner



On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:

Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any
sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few
entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether
written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .


On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
Hi Andy,

Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s
not working before you try it?
I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but
apparently if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great
job. One thing that is mentioned when you switch to that channel for
the first time is that the writing has to be right side up, I assume
those who get no results at all might have it upside down or
sideways, but there aren’t that many possibilities so one just has to
keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work at first.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

no, it works.

Dave.

From: Andy Baracco<mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the
variables involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to
trust this capability. It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i h

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Dani Pagador]

I can see teachers using the combined ability to read a
printer-generated document with handwriting on it e.g., a student's
class assignment with fill-in-the-blanks or essay-type questions. Pre
Seeing AI, the visually impaired teacher would need to rely on an aide
to do this.

On 12/19/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> The way it would be useful was that you could read a document/form which has
> typed text and handwritten answers which were filled in.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of englishride...@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 9:07 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>
> Why would doing something like that be useful? I mean, could that help
> someone with a visual impairment fill out a form? I'm just curious, is all.
> The only time I could see something like that being even somewhat useful is
> if my husband needed me to bring something from the house that he forgot; I
> could easily identify it with Seeing AI and bring it to him. Maybe I just
> don't get the reasoning behind the idea.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ari
>
>> On Dec 19, 2017, at 1:21 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone
>>  wrote:
>>
>> hi,
>> Being a fan of seeing AI app, I have to say, the hand writing recognition,
>> where it to be integrated with the document channel, could give us
>> something very special! we could access filled in forms et cetera. it
>> looks very doable to me. raising this issue, far from being a complaint,
>> is actually a useful suggestion. Worth putting it forward to Microsoft,
>> perhaps?
>>
>> very satisfied, Sandy
>>
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>
>>> On 18 Dec 2017, at 19:35, Candy Lowe  wrote:
>>>
>>> Peg, I am in total agreement with you. Just aggravates me so much because
>>> I am 67 years old and grew up with relatively no technology at all. Now
>>> things are so much better and yet it appears that some of the blind
>>> people are never satisfied.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:51 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I think it’s very interesting that some blind people complain when they
>>>> don’t get what they think they need, and yet when they get something
>>>> there very ungrateful and continuously complain about it.
>>>> We all need to work together and figure things out and improve what we
>>>> have and strive to find new ways to help others and do new things.
>>>>
>>>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:05 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hands up to Richard.  I totally agree.
>>>>> The thought of being able to read hand writing has always been just a
>>>>> dream.
>>>>> As Richard has said.  If you have been totally blind for all your life
>>>>> or most of your life this technology it great.
>>>>> We take what we can get and Seeing AI is giving it all to us.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know a friend who has slowly been losing their sight and is now
>>>>> having to use OCR technology and thinks it isn't that good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who started off with a Kurzwil Scanner at £10,000 30 years ago?  We
>>>>> have suffered through technology changing.  And everyday it gets just
>>>>> that little bit better to me it's a huge mile stone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Enjoy what we have got because you would not have coped 30 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Martin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>>>>> Sent: 18 December 2017 15:54
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are
>>>>> blind have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on
>>>>> what it cannot do?
>>>>> This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without
>>>>

RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The way it would be useful was that you could read a document/form which has 
typed text and handwritten answers which were filled in.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
englishride...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2017 9:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

Why would doing something like that be useful? I mean, could that help someone 
with a visual impairment fill out a form? I'm just curious, is all. The only 
time I could see something like that being even somewhat useful is if my 
husband needed me to bring something from the house that he forgot; I could 
easily identify it with Seeing AI and bring it to him. Maybe I just don't get 
the reasoning behind the idea.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Dec 19, 2017, at 1:21 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> Being a fan of seeing AI app, I have to say, the hand writing recognition, 
> where it to be integrated with the document channel, could give us something 
> very special! we could access filled in forms et cetera. it looks very doable 
> to me. raising this issue, far from being a complaint, is actually a useful 
> suggestion. Worth putting it forward to Microsoft, perhaps?
> 
> very satisfied, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 18 Dec 2017, at 19:35, Candy Lowe  wrote:
>> 
>> Peg, I am in total agreement with you. Just aggravates me so much because I 
>> am 67 years old and grew up with relatively no technology at all. Now things 
>> are so much better and yet it appears that some of the blind people are 
>> never satisfied.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:51 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I think it’s very interesting that some blind people complain when they 
>>> don’t get what they think they need, and yet when they get something there 
>>> very ungrateful and continuously complain about it.
>>> We all need to work together and figure things out and improve what we have 
>>> and strive to find new ways to help others and do new things.
>>> 
>>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:05 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hands up to Richard.  I totally agree.
>>>> The thought of being able to read hand writing has always been just a 
>>>> dream.
>>>> As Richard has said.  If you have been totally blind for all your life or 
>>>> most of your life this technology it great.
>>>> We take what we can get and Seeing AI is giving it all to us.
>>>> 
>>>> I know a friend who has slowly been losing their sight and is now having 
>>>> to use OCR technology and thinks it isn't that good.
>>>> 
>>>> Who started off with a Kurzwil Scanner at £10,000 30 years ago?  We have 
>>>> suffered through technology changing.  And everyday it gets just that 
>>>> little bit better to me it's a huge mile stone.
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy what we have got because you would not have coped 30 years ago.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Martin
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>>>> Sent: 18 December 2017 15:54
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are 
>>>> blind have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on 
>>>> what it cannot do?
>>>> This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without sight.
>>>> Now, if you want to write the developer and make a request that they work 
>>>> on allowing a way to combine the Document Channel, with the handwriting, 
>>>> fine. But as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft deserves nothing but praise 
>>>> for this huge step forward. And, since the person at Microsoft who 
>>>> spearheaded this app is blind, he probably is already working on 
>>>> recognition in forms.
>>>> 
>>>> Just my opinion.
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "Reality is the leading caus

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[englishrider91]

Why would doing something like that be useful? I mean, could that help someone 
with a visual impairment fill out a form? I'm just curious, is all. The only 
time I could see something like that being even somewhat useful is if my 
husband needed me to bring something from the house that he forgot; I could 
easily identify it with Seeing AI and bring it to him. Maybe I just don't get 
the reasoning behind the idea.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Dec 19, 2017, at 1:21 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> Being a fan of seeing AI app, I have to say, the hand writing recognition, 
> where it to be integrated with the document channel, could give us something 
> very special! we could access filled in forms et cetera. it looks very doable 
> to me. raising this issue, far from being a complaint, is actually a useful 
> suggestion. Worth putting it forward to Microsoft, perhaps?
> 
> very satisfied, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 18 Dec 2017, at 19:35, Candy Lowe  wrote:
>> 
>> Peg, I am in total agreement with you. Just aggravates me so much because I 
>> am 67 years old and grew up with relatively no technology at all. Now things 
>> are so much better and yet it appears that some of the blind people are 
>> never satisfied.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:51 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I think it’s very interesting that some blind people complain when they 
>>> don’t get what they think they need, and yet when they get something there 
>>> very ungrateful and continuously complain about it.
>>> We all need to work together and figure things out and improve what we have 
>>> and strive to find new ways to help others and do new things.
>>> 
>>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:05 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hands up to Richard.  I totally agree.
>>>> The thought of being able to read hand writing has always been just a 
>>>> dream.
>>>> As Richard has said.  If you have been totally blind for all your life or 
>>>> most of your life this technology it great.
>>>> We take what we can get and Seeing AI is giving it all to us.
>>>> 
>>>> I know a friend who has slowly been losing their sight and is now having 
>>>> to use OCR technology and thinks it isn't that good.
>>>> 
>>>> Who started off with a Kurzwil Scanner at £10,000 30 years ago?  We have 
>>>> suffered through technology changing.  And everyday it gets just that 
>>>> little bit better to me it's a huge mile stone.
>>>> 
>>>> Enjoy what we have got because you would not have coped 30 years ago.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Martin
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Richard Turner
>>>> Sent: 18 December 2017 15:54
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are 
>>>> blind have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on 
>>>> what it cannot do?
>>>> This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without sight.
>>>> Now, if you want to write the developer and make a request that they work 
>>>> on allowing a way to combine the Document Channel, with the handwriting, 
>>>> fine. But as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft deserves nothing but praise 
>>>> for this huge step forward. And, since the person at Microsoft who 
>>>> spearheaded this app is blind, he probably is already working on 
>>>> recognition in forms.
>>>> 
>>>> Just my opinion.
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>>> it." -- Jane Wagner
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any 
>>>>> sence specially wh

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hi,
Being a fan of seeing AI app, I have to say, the hand writing recognition, 
where it to be integrated with the document channel, could give us something 
very special! we could access filled in forms et cetera. it looks very doable 
to me. raising this issue, far from being a complaint, is actually a useful 
suggestion. Worth putting it forward to Microsoft, perhaps?

very satisfied, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 18 Dec 2017, at 19:35, Candy Lowe  wrote:
> 
> Peg, I am in total agreement with you. Just aggravates me so much because I 
> am 67 years old and grew up with relatively no technology at all. Now things 
> are so much better and yet it appears that some of the blind people are never 
> satisfied.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:51 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I think it’s very interesting that some blind people complain when they 
>> don’t get what they think they need, and yet when they get something there 
>> very ungrateful and continuously complain about it.
>> We all need to work together and figure things out and improve what we have 
>> and strive to find new ways to help others and do new things.
>> 
>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:05 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hands up to Richard.  I totally agree.
>>> The thought of being able to read hand writing has always been just a dream.
>>> As Richard has said.  If you have been totally blind for all your life or 
>>> most of your life this technology it great.
>>> We take what we can get and Seeing AI is giving it all to us.
>>> 
>>> I know a friend who has slowly been losing their sight and is now having to 
>>> use OCR technology and thinks it isn't that good.
>>> 
>>> Who started off with a Kurzwil Scanner at £10,000 30 years ago?  We have 
>>> suffered through technology changing.  And everyday it gets just that 
>>> little bit better to me it's a huge mile stone.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy what we have got because you would not have coped 30 years ago.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: 18 December 2017 15:54
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are 
>>> blind have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on what 
>>> it cannot do?
>>> This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without sight.
>>> Now, if you want to write the developer and make a request that they work 
>>> on allowing a way to combine the Document Channel, with the handwriting, 
>>> fine. But as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft deserves nothing but praise 
>>> for this huge step forward. And, since the person at Microsoft who 
>>> spearheaded this app is blind, he probably is already working on 
>>> recognition in forms.
>>> 
>>> Just my opinion.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it." -- Jane Wagner
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any 
>>>> sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few 
>>>> entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether 
>>>> written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s 
>>>>> not working before you try it?
>>>>> I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but 
>>>>> apparently if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great 
>>>>> job. One thing that is mentioned when you switch to that channel for 
>>>>> the first time is that the writing has to be right side up, I assume 
>>>>> those who get no results at all might have it upside down or 
>>

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Anthony Vece]

Hi Candy;
This happens every so often on every blind list.
Just separate the wheat from the chef and you’ll be fine God bless Anthony

Sent from my Verizon iPhone 8+!!!

> On Dec 18, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Candy Lowe  wrote:
> 
> Peg, I am in total agreement with you. Just aggravates me so much because I 
> am 67 years old and grew up with relatively no technology at all. Now things 
> are so much better and yet it appears that some of the blind people are never 
> satisfied.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:51 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I think it’s very interesting that some blind people complain when they 
>> don’t get what they think they need, and yet when they get something there 
>> very ungrateful and continuously complain about it.
>> We all need to work together and figure things out and improve what we have 
>> and strive to find new ways to help others and do new things.
>> 
>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:05 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hands up to Richard.  I totally agree.
>>> The thought of being able to read hand writing has always been just a dream.
>>> As Richard has said.  If you have been totally blind for all your life or 
>>> most of your life this technology it great.
>>> We take what we can get and Seeing AI is giving it all to us.
>>> 
>>> I know a friend who has slowly been losing their sight and is now having to 
>>> use OCR technology and thinks it isn't that good.
>>> 
>>> Who started off with a Kurzwil Scanner at £10,000 30 years ago?  We have 
>>> suffered through technology changing.  And everyday it gets just that 
>>> little bit better to me it's a huge mile stone.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy what we have got because you would not have coped 30 years ago.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: 18 December 2017 15:54
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are 
>>> blind have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on what 
>>> it cannot do?
>>> This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without sight.
>>> Now, if you want to write the developer and make a request that they work 
>>> on allowing a way to combine the Document Channel, with the handwriting, 
>>> fine. But as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft deserves nothing but praise 
>>> for this huge step forward. And, since the person at Microsoft who 
>>> spearheaded this app is blind, he probably is already working on 
>>> recognition in forms.
>>> 
>>> Just my opinion.
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it." -- Jane Wagner
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any 
>>>> sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few 
>>>> entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether 
>>>> written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s 
>>>>> not working before you try it?
>>>>> I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but 
>>>>> apparently if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great 
>>>>> job. One thing that is mentioned when you switch to that channel for 
>>>>> the first time is that the writing has to be right side up, I assume 
>>>>> those who get no results at all might have it upside down or 
>>>>> sideways, but there aren’t that many possibilities so one just has to 
>>>>> keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work at first.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Sieghard
>>>>> 

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Wayne Merritt]

Add to all this that from the little I know, Seeing AI is the only
app/platform I have heard of that can even recognize handwriting at
all. I've heard over the years that no product or OCR software has
been able to recognize handwriting. At the training center I work at,
students have been raving about this new ability for the last week.

Wayne

On 12/18/17, Candy Lowe  wrote:
> Peg, I am in total agreement with you. Just aggravates me so much because I
> am 67 years old and grew up with relatively no technology at all. Now things
> are so much better and yet it appears that some of the blind people are
> never satisfied.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:51 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> I think it’s very interesting that some blind people complain when they
>> don’t get what they think they need, and yet when they get something there
>> very ungrateful and continuously complain about it.
>> We all need to work together and figure things out and improve what we
>> have and strive to find new ways to help others and do new things.
>>
>> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:05 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hands up to Richard.  I totally agree.
>>> The thought of being able to read hand writing has always been just a
>>> dream.
>>> As Richard has said.  If you have been totally blind for all your life or
>>> most of your life this technology it great.
>>> We take what we can get and Seeing AI is giving it all to us.
>>>
>>> I know a friend who has slowly been losing their sight and is now having
>>> to use OCR technology and thinks it isn't that good.
>>>
>>> Who started off with a Kurzwil Scanner at £10,000 30 years ago?  We have
>>> suffered through technology changing.  And everyday it gets just that
>>> little bit better to me it's a huge mile stone.
>>>
>>> Enjoy what we have got because you would not have coped 30 years ago.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Martin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: 18 December 2017 15:54
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>>
>>>
>>> So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are
>>> blind have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on
>>> what it cannot do?
>>> This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without
>>> sight.
>>> Now, if you want to write the developer and make a request that they work
>>> on allowing a way to combine the Document Channel, with the handwriting,
>>> fine. But as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft deserves nothing but praise
>>> for this huge step forward. And, since the person at Microsoft who
>>> spearheaded this app is blind, he probably is already working on
>>> recognition in forms.
>>>
>>> Just my opinion.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with
>>> it." -- Jane Wagner
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any
>>>> sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few
>>>> entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether
>>>> written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>>>
>>>>> Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s
>>>>> not working before you try it?
>>>>> I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but
>>>>> apparently if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great
>>>>> job. One thing that is mentioned when you switch to that channel for
>>>>> the first time is that the writing has to be right side up, I assume
>>>>> those who get no results at all might have it upside down or
>>>>> sideways, but there aren’t that many possibilities so one just has to
>>>>> keep rotating the paper 

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Candy Lowe]

Peg, I am in total agreement with you. Just aggravates me so much because I am 
67 years old and grew up with relatively no technology at all. Now things are 
so much better and yet it appears that some of the blind people are never 
satisfied.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:51 PM, pegkan...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> I think it’s very interesting that some blind people complain when they don’t 
> get what they think they need, and yet when they get something there very 
> ungrateful and continuously complain about it.
> We all need to work together and figure things out and improve what we have 
> and strive to find new ways to help others and do new things.
> 
> Peggy Sent from my IPhone.
> 
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:05 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hands up to Richard.  I totally agree.
>> The thought of being able to read hand writing has always been just a dream.
>> As Richard has said.  If you have been totally blind for all your life or 
>> most of your life this technology it great.
>> We take what we can get and Seeing AI is giving it all to us.
>> 
>> I know a friend who has slowly been losing their sight and is now having to 
>> use OCR technology and thinks it isn't that good.
>> 
>> Who started off with a Kurzwil Scanner at £10,000 30 years ago?  We have 
>> suffered through technology changing.  And everyday it gets just that little 
>> bit better to me it's a huge mile stone.
>> 
>> Enjoy what we have got because you would not have coped 30 years ago.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Martin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: 18 December 2017 15:54
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> 
>> So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are 
>> blind have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on what 
>> it cannot do?
>> This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without sight.
>> Now, if you want to write the developer and make a request that they work on 
>> allowing a way to combine the Document Channel, with the handwriting, fine. 
>> But as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft deserves nothing but praise for this 
>> huge step forward. And, since the person at Microsoft who spearheaded this 
>> app is blind, he probably is already working on recognition in forms.
>> 
>> Just my opinion.
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
>> -- Jane Wagner
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any 
>>> sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few 
>>> entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether 
>>> written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .
>>> 
>>>> On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>>> Hi Andy,
>>>> 
>>>> Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s 
>>>> not working before you try it?
>>>> I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but 
>>>> apparently if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great 
>>>> job. One thing that is mentioned when you switch to that channel for 
>>>> the first time is that the writing has to be right side up, I assume 
>>>> those who get no results at all might have it upside down or 
>>>> sideways, but there aren’t that many possibilities so one just has to 
>>>> keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work at first.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Sieghard
>>>> 
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Dave
>>>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:54 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>>> 
>>>> no, it works.
>>>> 
>>>> Dave.
>>>> 
>>>> From: Andy Baracco<mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: 

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[pegkane52]

Hi,
I think it’s very interesting that some blind people complain when they don’t 
get what they think they need, and yet when they get something there very 
ungrateful and continuously complain about it.
We all need to work together and figure things out and improve what we have and 
strive to find new ways to help others and do new things.

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On Dec 18, 2017, at 12:05 PM, 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hands up to Richard.  I totally agree.
> The thought of being able to read hand writing has always been just a dream.
> As Richard has said.  If you have been totally blind for all your life or 
> most of your life this technology it great.
> We take what we can get and Seeing AI is giving it all to us.
> 
> I know a friend who has slowly been losing their sight and is now having to 
> use OCR technology and thinks it isn't that good.
> 
> Who started off with a Kurzwil Scanner at £10,000 30 years ago?  We have 
> suffered through technology changing.  And everyday it gets just that little 
> bit better to me it's a huge mile stone.
> 
> Enjoy what we have got because you would not have coped 30 years ago.
> 
> Cheers
> Martin
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: 18 December 2017 15:54
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
> 
> 
> So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are blind 
> have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on what it 
> cannot do?
> This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without sight.
> Now, if you want to write the developer and make a request that they work on 
> allowing a way to combine the Document Channel, with the handwriting, fine. 
> But as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft deserves nothing but praise for this 
> huge step forward. And, since the person at Microsoft who spearheaded this 
> app is blind, he probably is already working on recognition in forms.
> 
> Just my opinion.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- Jane Wagner
> 
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
>> 
>> Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any 
>> sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few 
>> entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether 
>> written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .
>> 
>>> On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> Hi Andy,
>>> 
>>> Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s 
>>> not working before you try it?
>>> I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but 
>>> apparently if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great 
>>> job. One thing that is mentioned when you switch to that channel for 
>>> the first time is that the writing has to be right side up, I assume 
>>> those who get no results at all might have it upside down or 
>>> sideways, but there aren’t that many possibilities so one just has to 
>>> keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work at first.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>>> Behalf Of Dave
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:54 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>> 
>>> no, it works.
>>> 
>>> Dave.
>>> 
>>> From: Andy Baracco<mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>> 
>>> I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the 
>>> variables involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to 
>>> trust this capability. It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that 
>>> I'm wrong.
>>> 
>>> Andy
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
>>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>> 
>>> You know you 

RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If Microsoft has figured out how to do this I am surprised nobody else has done 
so as well.

-Original Message-
From: 'Martin Maidment' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 9:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

Hands up to Richard.  I totally agree.
The thought of being able to read hand writing has always been just a dream.
As Richard has said.  If you have been totally blind for all your life or most 
of your life this technology it great.
We take what we can get and Seeing AI is giving it all to us.

I know a friend who has slowly been losing their sight and is now having to use 
OCR technology and thinks it isn't that good.

Who started off with a Kurzwil Scanner at £10,000 30 years ago?  We have 
suffered through technology changing.  And everyday it gets just that little 
bit better to me it's a huge mile stone.

Enjoy what we have got because you would not have coped 30 years ago.

Cheers
Martin



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: 18 December 2017 15:54
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI


So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are blind 
have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on what it cannot 
do?
This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without sight.
Now, if you want to write the developer and make a request that they work on 
allowing a way to combine the Document Channel, with the handwriting, fine. But 
as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft deserves nothing but praise for this huge 
step forward. And, since the person at Microsoft who spearheaded this app is 
blind, he probably is already working on recognition in forms.

Just my opinion.

Richard



"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner


> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
> 
> Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any 
> sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few 
> entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether 
> written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .
> 
>> On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>> 
>> Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s 
>> not working before you try it?
>> I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but 
>> apparently if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great 
>> job. One thing that is mentioned when you switch to that channel for 
>> the first time is that the writing has to be right side up, I assume 
>> those who get no results at all might have it upside down or 
>> sideways, but there aren’t that many possibilities so one just has to 
>> keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work at first.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> no, it works.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> From: Andy Baracco<mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the 
>> variables involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to 
>> trust this capability. It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that 
>> I'm wrong.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> You know you have to have the writing right side up.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>> -- Jane Wagner
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave
>> mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi rebecca,
>> 
>> Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing 
>> channel, and it did really well.
>> 
>> I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above 
>> the card.
>> 
>>

RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

['Martin Maidment' via VIPhone]

Hands up to Richard.  I totally agree.
The thought of being able to read hand writing has always been just a dream.
As Richard has said.  If you have been totally blind for all your life or most 
of your life this technology it great.
We take what we can get and Seeing AI is giving it all to us.

I know a friend who has slowly been losing their sight and is now having to use 
OCR technology and thinks it isn't that good.

Who started off with a Kurzwil Scanner at £10,000 30 years ago?  We have 
suffered through technology changing.  And everyday it gets just that little 
bit better to me it's a huge mile stone.

Enjoy what we have got because you would not have coped 30 years ago.

Cheers
Martin



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: 18 December 2017 15:54
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI


So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are blind 
have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on what it cannot 
do?
This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without sight.
Now, if you want to write the developer and make a request that they work on 
allowing a way to combine the Document Channel, with the handwriting, fine. But 
as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft deserves nothing but praise for this huge 
step forward. And, since the person at Microsoft who spearheaded this app is 
blind, he probably is already working on recognition in forms.

Just my opinion.

Richard



"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner


> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
> 
> Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any 
> sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few 
> entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether 
> written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .
> 
>> On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>> 
>> Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s 
>> not working before you try it?
>> I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but 
>> apparently if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great 
>> job. One thing that is mentioned when you switch to that channel for 
>> the first time is that the writing has to be right side up, I assume 
>> those who get no results at all might have it upside down or 
>> sideways, but there aren’t that many possibilities so one just has to 
>> keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work at first.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Dave
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> no, it works.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> From: Andy Baracco<mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the 
>> variables involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to 
>> trust this capability. It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that 
>> I'm wrong.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> You know you have to have the writing right side up.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>> -- Jane Wagner
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave
>> mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi rebecca,
>> 
>> Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing 
>> channel, and it did really well.
>> 
>> I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above 
>> the card.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> From: Rebecca Ilniski<mailto:rilni...@icloud.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:09 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> I attempted to read a Christmas c

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

So, instead of recognizing that for the very first time, people who are blind 
have been given access to handwriting, you are going to focus on what it cannot 
do?
This is a revolutionary step toward accessibility for people without sight.
Now, if you want to write the developer and make a request that they work on 
allowing a way to combine the Document Channel, with the handwriting, fine. But 
as far as I'm concerned, Microsoft deserves nothing but praise for this huge 
step forward. And, since the person at Microsoft who spearheaded this app is 
blind, he probably is already working on recognition in forms.

Just my opinion.

Richard



"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner


> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:20 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
> 
> Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any
> sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few
> entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether
> written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .
> 
>> On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>> 
>> Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s not
>> working before you try it?
>> I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but apparently
>> if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great job. One thing that
>> is mentioned when you switch to that channel for the first time is that the
>> writing has to be right side up, I assume those who get no results at all
>> might have it upside down or sideways, but there aren’t that many
>> possibilities so one just has to keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work
>> at first.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Dave
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> no, it works.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> From: Andy Baracco<mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the
>> variables involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to trust this
>> capability. It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that I'm wrong.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> You know you have to have the writing right side up.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>> -- Jane Wagner
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave
>> mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi rebecca,
>> 
>> Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing
>> channel, and it did really well.
>> 
>> I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the
>> card.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> From: Rebecca Ilniski<mailto:rilni...@icloud.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:09 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I
>> used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document
>> straight also.  I did have it on the handwriting channel.
>> Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
>> Email: rilni...@gmail.com<mailto:rilni...@gmail.com>
>> Twitter: applegirl1994
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>&g

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Lelia Struve]

What I can say is, for the first time in my life I was actually able to read my 
high school diploma that was cool, also for the first time in my life I was 
actually able to read some cards that we got from our wedding that was cool.

Lelia 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:19 PM, Mohib Anwar Rafay  wrote:
> 
> Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any
> sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few
> entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether
> written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .
> 
>> On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> Hi Andy,
>> 
>> Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s not
>> working before you try it?
>> I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but apparently
>> if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great job. One thing that
>> is mentioned when you switch to that channel for the first time is that the
>> writing has to be right side up, I assume those who get no results at all
>> might have it upside down or sideways, but there aren’t that many
>> possibilities so one just has to keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work
>> at first.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Dave
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> no, it works.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> From: Andy Baracco<mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the
>> variables involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to trust this
>> capability. It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that I'm wrong.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> You know you have to have the writing right side up.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
>> -- Jane Wagner
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave
>> mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Hi rebecca,
>> 
>> Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing
>> channel, and it did really well.
>> 
>> I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the
>> card.
>> 
>> Dave.
>> 
>> From: Rebecca Ilniski<mailto:rilni...@icloud.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:09 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>> 
>> I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I
>> used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document
>> straight also.  I did have it on the handwriting channel.
>> Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
>> Email: rilni...@gmail.com<mailto:rilni...@gmail.com>
>> Twitter: applegirl1994
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Mohib Anwar Rafay]

Choosing handwriting mode wont read printed text, it doesn't make any
sence specially when we are reading some kind of forms where few
entries have been filled in handwriting. For example, , whether
written name is persons name or his father's name, is not clear .

On 12/18/17, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> Hi Andy,
>
> Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s not
> working before you try it?
> I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but apparently
> if the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great job. One thing that
> is mentioned when you switch to that channel for the first time is that the
> writing has to be right side up, I assume those who get no results at all
> might have it upside down or sideways, but there aren’t that many
> possibilities so one just has to keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work
> at first.
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Dave
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>
> no, it works.
>
> Dave.
>
> From: Andy Baracco<mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>
> I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the
> variables involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to trust this
> capability. It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that I'm wrong.
>
> Andy
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>
> You know you have to have the writing right side up.
> Richard
>
>
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it."
> -- Jane Wagner
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave
> mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi rebecca,
>
> Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing
> channel, and it did really well.
>
> I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the
> card.
>
> Dave.
>
> From: Rebecca Ilniski<mailto:rilni...@icloud.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>
> I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I
> used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document
> straight also.  I did have it on the handwriting channel.
> Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
> Email: rilni...@gmail.com<mailto:rilni...@gmail.com>
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RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Andy,

Quite a few people have reported very good results, why propose it’s not 
working before you try it?
I’m sure it depends a great deal on the person’s handwriting, but apparently if 
the handwriting is relatively normal it does a great job. One thing that is 
mentioned when you switch to that channel for the first time is that the 
writing has to be right side up, I assume those who get no results at all might 
have it upside down or sideways, but there aren’t that many possibilities so 
one just has to keep rotating the paper if it doesn’t work at first.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 10:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

no, it works.

Dave.

From: Andy Baracco<mailto:w...@socal.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the variables 
involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to trust this capability. 
It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that I'm wrong.

Andy

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

You know you have to have the writing right side up.
Richard


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On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave 
mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi rebecca,

Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing channel, 
and it did really well.

I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the card.

Dave.

From: Rebecca Ilniski<mailto:rilni...@icloud.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I 
used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document 
straight also.  I did have it on the handwriting channel.
Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Simon Wong]

I did not understand your message at all!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:40 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> well i wonder that front camera is not the thing with what you are can do can 
> do and work and display that could be the prublum, and the stand might be 
> standing on the thing that can do with myself.
>  
> From: Simon Wong
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>  
> Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
> the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
> stand.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
>> target text and you should be given information about what edges can be 
>> seen. once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be 
>> advised to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is 
>> automatic.
>>  
>> hope this helps, Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Where is this automatically take picture setting.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> hello Richard,
>>>> Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
>>>> double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting 
>>>> channel, I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have 
>>>> been working on. he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his 
>>>> written word, so he was a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of 
>>>> the rude remarks he made in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a 
>>>> game changer. Notes and memos can be left on those yellow sticky things 
>>>> and we will be able to read them! I have always wanted to read those 
>>>> things. I love reading my Christmas card signatures. never thought I’d 
>>>> here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
>>>> Sandy
>>>>  
>>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> Hi Sandy,
>>>>> What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the 
>>>>> document than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you 
>>>>> have to hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically 
>>>>> take the picture.
>>>>> And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in 
>>>>>> Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
>>>>>> good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
>>>>>> recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take 
>>>>>> picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking 
>>>>>> too long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I 
>>>>>> take a picture of a scene, it comes back very quickly with the 
>>>>>> description which is quite accurate. so, might the problem lay 
>>>>>> elsewhere? after all, it recognises and interpret handwriting, which has 
>>>>>> to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? any 
>>>>>> ideas?
>>>>>> Very happy, Sandy
>>>>>> 
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Dave]

you can stand for as long as you wish, it still won’t work.

Merry christmas.

From: Simon Wong 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I cannot keep my hands at a certain position for a very long time. I am going 
to try a stand.


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Richard Turner  
wrote:



  Simon, 
  I do not find most of the stands work with Seeing AI, they are not quite tall 
enough.
  The trick is to keep the phone level, with the camera pointing toward the 
middle of the page, about 18 inches above the page.
  One method that might help you for practice is to take a standard 8.5 inch 
wide and 11 inch long sheet document and fold it in half the long way, then 
unfold it and fold it in half the short way, then unfold it and flatten it on 
the table.
  Now, the folds will create an intersection in the middle of the page.
  Find that spot where the two folds meet in the center, and place the phone's 
camera right on it.
  Then, launch Seeing AI and use both hands to lift the phone straight up 
slowly, keeping it level.
  If you are sitting in a chair with the document on the table, the phone will 
be about even with your face when it is at the right height. This of course may 
vary some depending how tall you are, but at some point, you will hear "Hold 
Steady" and stop moving at that point and it will take the picture.
  It shouldn't take more than about 6 to 10 seconds to raise the phone to the 
right height.
  Once you get used to the height, etc, you won't need to use that method any 
more.
  HTH,
  Richard




  "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
-- Jane Wagner


  On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Simon Wong  wrote:


Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to 
hold the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had 
a stand.


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


  when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above 
your target text and you should be given information about what edges can be 
seen. once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be 
advised to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is 
automatic. 

  hope this helps, Sandy


  sent from the dark side of the moon

  On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:


Where is this automatically take picture setting.


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


  hello Richard,
  Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead 
of double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, 
I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. 
he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he 
was a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made 
in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos 
can be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I 
have always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
  Sandy

  sent from the dark side of the moon

  On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner 
 wrote:



Hi Sandy, 
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the 
document than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have 
to hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the 
picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard





(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


  hi,
  Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even 
when in Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is 
really good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture 
always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I 
imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I take a picture of 
a scene, it comes back very quickly with the description which is quite 
accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and 
interpret handwriting, which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, 
so, why not documents? any ideas?
  Very happy, Sandy

  sent from the dark side of the moon

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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Dave]

well i wonder that front camera is not the thing with what you are can do can 
do and work and display that could be the prublum, and the stand might be 
standing on the thing that can do with myself.

From: Simon Wong 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
stand.


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


  when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be advised 
to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is automatic. 

  hope this helps, Sandy


  sent from the dark side of the moon

  On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:


Where is this automatically take picture setting.


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


  hello Richard,
  Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I 
took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. 
he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he 
was a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made 
in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos 
can be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I 
have always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
  Sandy

  sent from the dark side of the moon

  On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  
wrote:



Hi Sandy, 
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the 
document than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have 
to hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the 
picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard





(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


  hi,
  Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when 
in Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture 
always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I 
imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I take a picture of 
a scene, it comes back very quickly with the description which is quite 
accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and 
interpret handwriting, which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, 
so, why not documents? any ideas?
  Very happy, Sandy

  sent from the dark side of the moon

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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

ScanJig only gets you about 11 inches from your document and costs 3 times as 
much.
Richard



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Jane Wagner


On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:32 AM, Simon Wong 
mailto:simonwo...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:

Thanks That’s the one i was going to get or i was going to try scan jig as well.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Try Fopydo, scanning stand. it can be raised to 14 inches, which could help.
And it is the least expensed.
Richard



"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner


On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Simon Wong 
mailto:simonwo...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:

I cannot keep my hands at a certain position for a very long time. I am going 
to try a stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Simon,
I do not find most of the stands work with Seeing AI, they are not quite tall 
enough.
The trick is to keep the phone level, with the camera pointing toward the 
middle of the page, about 18 inches above the page.
One method that might help you for practice is to take a standard 8.5 inch wide 
and 11 inch long sheet document and fold it in half the long way, then unfold 
it and fold it in half the short way, then unfold it and flatten it on the 
table.
Now, the folds will create an intersection in the middle of the page.
Find that spot where the two folds meet in the center, and place the phone's 
camera right on it.
Then, launch Seeing AI and use both hands to lift the phone straight up slowly, 
keeping it level.
If you are sitting in a chair with the document on the table, the phone will be 
about even with your face when it is at the right height. This of course may 
vary some depending how tall you are, but at some point, you will hear "Hold 
Steady" and stop moving at that point and it will take the picture.
It shouldn't take more than about 6 to 10 seconds to raise the phone to the 
right height.
Once you get used to the height, etc, you won't need to use that method any 
more.
HTH,
Richard



"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner


On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Simon Wong 
mailto:simonwo...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:

Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be advised 
to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is automatic.

hope this helps, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong 
mailto:simonwo...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:

Where is this automatically take picture setting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

hello Richard,
Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double 
tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took a 
quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he, 
obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he was a 
little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made in 
the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can 
be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have 
always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Hi Sandy,
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

hi,
Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in Irish, 
my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really good! now, 
just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document recognised. short 
document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture always fails. it 
fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I imagine, this is 
because of my Internet connecti

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Simon Wong]

Thanks That’s the one i was going to get or i was going to try scan jig as well.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:26 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Try Fopydo, scanning stand. it can be raised to 14 inches, which could help.
> And it is the least expensed.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- Jane Wagner
> 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Simon Wong  wrote:
> 
>> I cannot keep my hands at a certain position for a very long time. I am 
>> going to try a stand.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Richard Turner  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon,
>>> I do not find most of the stands work with Seeing AI, they are not quite 
>>> tall enough.
>>> The trick is to keep the phone level, with the camera pointing toward the 
>>> middle of the page, about 18 inches above the page.
>>> One method that might help you for practice is to take a standard 8.5 inch 
>>> wide and 11 inch long sheet document and fold it in half the long way, then 
>>> unfold it and fold it in half the short way, then unfold it and flatten it 
>>> on the table.
>>> Now, the folds will create an intersection in the middle of the page.
>>> Find that spot where the two folds meet in the center, and place the 
>>> phone's camera right on it.
>>> Then, launch Seeing AI and use both hands to lift the phone straight up 
>>> slowly, keeping it level.
>>> If you are sitting in a chair with the document on the table, the phone 
>>> will be about even with your face when it is at the right height. This of 
>>> course may vary some depending how tall you are, but at some point, you 
>>> will hear "Hold Steady" and stop moving at that point and it will take the 
>>> picture.
>>> It shouldn't take more than about 6 to 10 seconds to raise the phone to the 
>>> right height.
>>> Once you get used to the height, etc, you won't need to use that method any 
>>> more.
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
>>> it." -- Jane Wagner
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Simon Wong  wrote:
>>> 
 Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to 
 hold the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I 
 had a stand.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
> when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above 
> your target text and you should be given information about what edges can 
> be seen. once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you 
> will be advised to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double 
> tap it is automatic.
> 
> hope this helps, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:
> 
>> Where is this automatically take picture setting.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> hello Richard,
>>> Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
>>> double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting 
>>> channel, I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have 
>>> been working on. he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  
>>> his written word, so he was a little embarrassed when my phone read me 
>>> some of the rude remarks he made in the margins of the list! this, for 
>>> me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can be left on those yellow 
>>> sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have always wanted to 
>>> read those things. I love reading my Christmas card signatures. never 
>>> thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 
 Hi Sandy,
 What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the 
 document than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And 
 you have to hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will 
 automatically take the picture.
 And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
 HTH,
 Richard
 
 
 
 (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
 
 On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
> hi,
> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when 
> in Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is 
> really good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a 
> document recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one 
> way

Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

Try Fopydo, scanning stand. it can be raised to 14 inches, which could help.
And it is the least expensed.
Richard



"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner


On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Simon Wong 
mailto:simonwo...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:

I cannot keep my hands at a certain position for a very long time. I am going 
to try a stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Simon,
I do not find most of the stands work with Seeing AI, they are not quite tall 
enough.
The trick is to keep the phone level, with the camera pointing toward the 
middle of the page, about 18 inches above the page.
One method that might help you for practice is to take a standard 8.5 inch wide 
and 11 inch long sheet document and fold it in half the long way, then unfold 
it and fold it in half the short way, then unfold it and flatten it on the 
table.
Now, the folds will create an intersection in the middle of the page.
Find that spot where the two folds meet in the center, and place the phone's 
camera right on it.
Then, launch Seeing AI and use both hands to lift the phone straight up slowly, 
keeping it level.
If you are sitting in a chair with the document on the table, the phone will be 
about even with your face when it is at the right height. This of course may 
vary some depending how tall you are, but at some point, you will hear "Hold 
Steady" and stop moving at that point and it will take the picture.
It shouldn't take more than about 6 to 10 seconds to raise the phone to the 
right height.
Once you get used to the height, etc, you won't need to use that method any 
more.
HTH,
Richard



"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner


On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Simon Wong 
mailto:simonwo...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:

Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be advised 
to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is automatic.

hope this helps, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong 
mailto:simonwo...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:

Where is this automatically take picture setting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

hello Richard,
Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double 
tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took a 
quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he, 
obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he was a 
little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made in 
the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can 
be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have 
always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Hi Sandy,
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

hi,
Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in Irish, 
my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really good! now, 
just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document recognised. short 
document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture always fails. it 
fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I imagine, this is 
because of my Internet connection. but if I take a picture of a scene, it comes 
back very quickly with the description which is quite accurate. so, might the 
problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and interpret handwriting, 
which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? 
any ideas?
Very happy, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Simon Wong]

I cannot keep my hands at a certain position for a very long time. I am going 
to try a stand.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Simon,
> I do not find most of the stands work with Seeing AI, they are not quite tall 
> enough.
> The trick is to keep the phone level, with the camera pointing toward the 
> middle of the page, about 18 inches above the page.
> One method that might help you for practice is to take a standard 8.5 inch 
> wide and 11 inch long sheet document and fold it in half the long way, then 
> unfold it and fold it in half the short way, then unfold it and flatten it on 
> the table.
> Now, the folds will create an intersection in the middle of the page.
> Find that spot where the two folds meet in the center, and place the phone's 
> camera right on it.
> Then, launch Seeing AI and use both hands to lift the phone straight up 
> slowly, keeping it level.
> If you are sitting in a chair with the document on the table, the phone will 
> be about even with your face when it is at the right height. This of course 
> may vary some depending how tall you are, but at some point, you will hear 
> "Hold Steady" and stop moving at that point and it will take the picture.
> It shouldn't take more than about 6 to 10 seconds to raise the phone to the 
> right height.
> Once you get used to the height, etc, you won't need to use that method any 
> more.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- Jane Wagner
> 
> 
> On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Simon Wong  wrote:
> 
>> Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
>> the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
>> stand.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
>>> target text and you should be given information about what edges can be 
>>> seen. once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will 
>>> be advised to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is 
>>> automatic.
>>> 
>>> hope this helps, Sandy
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
>>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:
>>> 
 Where is this automatically take picture setting.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
> hello Richard,
> Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
> double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting 
> channel, I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have 
> been working on. he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  
> his written word, so he was a little embarrassed when my phone read me 
> some of the rude remarks he made in the margins of the list! this, for 
> me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can be left on those yellow sticky 
> things and we will be able to read them! I have always wanted to read 
> those things. I love reading my Christmas card signatures. never thought 
> I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
> Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Sandy,
>> What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the 
>> document than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you 
>> have to hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will 
>> automatically take the picture.
>> And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi,
>>> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when 
>>> in Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is 
>>> really good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a 
>>> document recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way 
>>> you take picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it 
>>> is taking too long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet 
>>> connection. but if I take a picture of a scene, it comes back very 
>>> quickly with the description which is quite accurate. so, might the 
>>> problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and interpret 
>>> handwriting, which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, so, 
>>> why not documents? any ideas?
>>> Very happy, Sandy
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

Simon,
I do not find most of the stands work with Seeing AI, they are not quite tall 
enough.
The trick is to keep the phone level, with the camera pointing toward the 
middle of the page, about 18 inches above the page.
One method that might help you for practice is to take a standard 8.5 inch wide 
and 11 inch long sheet document and fold it in half the long way, then unfold 
it and fold it in half the short way, then unfold it and flatten it on the 
table.
Now, the folds will create an intersection in the middle of the page.
Find that spot where the two folds meet in the center, and place the phone's 
camera right on it.
Then, launch Seeing AI and use both hands to lift the phone straight up slowly, 
keeping it level.
If you are sitting in a chair with the document on the table, the phone will be 
about even with your face when it is at the right height. This of course may 
vary some depending how tall you are, but at some point, you will hear "Hold 
Steady" and stop moving at that point and it will take the picture.
It shouldn't take more than about 6 to 10 seconds to raise the phone to the 
right height.
Once you get used to the height, etc, you won't need to use that method any 
more.
HTH,
Richard



"Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." -- 
Jane Wagner


On Dec 17, 2017, at 7:06 AM, Simon Wong 
mailto:simonwo...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:

Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
stand.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be advised 
to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is automatic.

hope this helps, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong 
mailto:simonwo...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:

Where is this automatically take picture setting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

hello Richard,
Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double 
tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took a 
quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he, 
obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he was a 
little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made in 
the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can 
be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have 
always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Hi Sandy,
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

hi,
Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in Irish, 
my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really good! now, 
just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document recognised. short 
document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture always fails. it 
fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I imagine, this is 
because of my Internet connection. but if I take a picture of a scene, it comes 
back very quickly with the description which is quite accurate. so, might the 
problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and interpret handwriting, 
which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? 
any ideas?
Very happy, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Simon Wong]

Last time I tried that, I didn’t get no prompt no message telling me to hold 
the phone to set away you know this so I wonder if it would help if I had a 
stand.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 9:25 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
> target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
> once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be 
> advised to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is 
> automatic.
> 
> hope this helps, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:
>> 
>> Where is this automatically take picture setting.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hello Richard,
>>> Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
>>> double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting 
>>> channel, I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been 
>>> working on. he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his 
>>> written word, so he was a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of 
>>> the rude remarks he made in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a 
>>> game changer. Notes and memos can be left on those yellow sticky things and 
>>> we will be able to read them! I have always wanted to read those things. I 
>>> love reading my Christmas card signatures. never thought I’d here myself 
>>> say this, but well done Microsoft!
>>> Sandy
>>> 
>>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>>> 
 On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  
 wrote:
 
 
 Hi Sandy,
 What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the 
 document than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you 
 have to hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically 
 take the picture.
 And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
 HTH,
 Richard
 
 
 
 (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
 
 On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
  wrote:
 
> hi,
> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in 
> Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
> good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
> recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take 
> picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking 
> too long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I 
> take a picture of a scene, it comes back very quickly with the 
> description which is quite accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? 
> after all, it recognises and interpret handwriting, which has to be sent 
> off to the cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? any ideas?
> Very happy, Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

when you’re in the document channel just hold the phone quite hi above your 
target text and you should be given information about what edges can be seen. 
once all the edges can be seen, the picture will be taken, you will be advised 
to hold still. so, you don’t have to select or  double tap it is automatic.

hope this helps, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 17 Dec 2017, at 13:58, Simon Wong  wrote:
> 
> Where is this automatically take picture setting.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hello Richard,
>> Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of 
>> double tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, 
>> I took a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working 
>> on. he, obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, 
>> so he was a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude 
>> remarks he made in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. 
>> Notes and memos can be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be 
>> able to read them! I have always wanted to read those things. I love reading 
>> my Christmas card signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but 
>> well done Microsoft!
>> Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
>> 
>>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Sandy,
>>> What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
>>> than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to 
>>> hold steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the 
>>> picture.
>>> And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 hi,
 Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in 
 Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
 good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
 recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take 
 picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking 
 too long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I 
 take a picture of a scene, it comes back very quickly with the description 
 which is quite accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? after all, 
 it recognises and interpret handwriting, which has to be sent off to the 
 cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? any ideas?
 Very happy, Sandy
 
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

Simon,
I'd suggest you check out the Quick Help in the document channel.
It tells you what to do.
That channel is designed so you don't have to worry about manually taking the 
picture.
HTH,
Richard



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On Dec 17, 2017, at 5:58 AM, Simon Wong 
mailto:simonwo...@sympatico.ca>> wrote:

Where is this automatically take picture setting.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

hello Richard,
Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double 
tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took a 
quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he, 
obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he was a 
little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made in 
the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can 
be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have 
always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:


Hi Sandy,
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

hi,
Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in Irish, 
my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really good! now, 
just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document recognised. short 
document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture always fails. it 
fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I imagine, this is 
because of my Internet connection. but if I take a picture of a scene, it comes 
back very quickly with the description which is quite accurate. so, might the 
problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and interpret handwriting, 
which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? 
any ideas?
Very happy, Sandy

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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

Andy,
If you consider that this functionality has been used by post office sorting 
systems for decades, I am only surprised we haven’t had before. but, 
truthfully, I find it works and it works really well!
Give it a try, Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 17 Dec 2017, at 02:04, Andy Baracco  wrote:
> 
> I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the variables 
> involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to trust this capability. 
> It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that I'm wrong.
>  
> Andy
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
> Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
> 
> You know you have to have the writing right side up.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
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> -- Jane Wagner
> 
> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi rebecca,
>>  
>> Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing 
>> channel, and it did really well.
>>  
>> I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the 
>> card.
>>  
>> Dave.
>>  
>> From: Rebecca Ilniski
>> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:09 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI
>>  
>> I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I 
>> used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document 
>> straight also.  I did have it on the handwriting channel.
>> Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
>> Email: rilni...@gmail.com
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Simon Wong]

Where is this automatically take picture setting.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2017, at 8:50 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> hello Richard,
> Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double 
> tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took 
> a quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he, 
> obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he was 
> a little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made 
> in the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos 
> can be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I 
> have always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
> signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
> Sandy
> 
> sent from the dark side of the moon
> 
>> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Sandy,
>> What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
>> than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
>> steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the 
>> picture.
>> And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> hi,
>>> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in 
>>> Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
>>> good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
>>> recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take 
>>> picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking too 
>>> long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I take a 
>>> picture of a scene, it comes back very quickly with the description which 
>>> is quite accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? after all, it 
>>> recognises and interpret handwriting, which has to be sent off to the cloud 
>>> to be processed, so, why not documents? any ideas?
>>> Very happy, Sandy
>>> 
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

hello Richard,
Thanks for the advice, are used your automatic take picture instead of double 
tapping and I got a result! meanwhile, using the handwriting channel, I took a 
quick snap of the shopping list that Hugh and I have been working on. he, 
obviously, didn’t anticipate my sudden access to  his written word, so he was a 
little embarrassed when my phone read me some of the rude remarks he made in 
the margins of the list! this, for me, is a game changer. Notes and memos can 
be left on those yellow sticky things and we will be able to read them! I have 
always wanted to read those things. I love reading my Christmas card 
signatures. never thought I’d here myself say this, but well done Microsoft!
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 16 Dec 2017, at 15:20, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Sandy,
> What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
> than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
> steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the picture.
> And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
>> hi,
>> Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in 
>> Irish, my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really 
>> good! now, just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document 
>> recognised. short document mode is fine, but the full one way you take 
>> picture always fails. it fails because it cuts out because it is taking too 
>> long. I imagine, this is because of my Internet connection. but if I take a 
>> picture of a scene, it comes back very quickly with the description which is 
>> quite accurate. so, might the problem lay elsewhere? after all, it 
>> recognises and interpret handwriting, which has to be sent off to the cloud 
>> to be processed, so, why not documents? any ideas?
>> Very happy, Sandy
>> 
>> sent from the dark side of the moon
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Dave]

no, it works.

Dave.

From: Andy Baracco 
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 2:04 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the variables 
involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to trust this capability. 
It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that I'm wrong.

Andy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 11:22 AM
  Subject: Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

  You know you have to have the writing right side up. 
  Richard




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  On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave  wrote:


Hi rebecca,

Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing 
channel, and it did really well.

I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the 
card.

Dave.

From: Rebecca Ilniski 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I 
used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document 
straight also.  I did have it on the handwriting channel.


Rebecca and guide dog Zeb

Email: rilni...@gmail.com

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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Andy Baracco]

I shouldn't speak about this without trying it, but with all of the variables 
involved in handwriting, I can't imagine being able to trust this capability. 
It seems like a kind of parlar game, but i hope that I'm wrong.

Andy

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  You know you have to have the writing right side up. 
  Richard





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  On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave  wrote:


Hi rebecca,

Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing 
channel, and it did really well.

I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the 
card.

Dave.

From: Rebecca Ilniski 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I 
used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document 
straight also.  I did have it on the handwriting channel.



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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

You know you have to have the writing right side up.
Richard



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On Dec 16, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Dave 
mailto:dave.beckett...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi rebecca,

Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing channel, 
and it did really well.

I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the card.

Dave.

From: Rebecca Ilniski<mailto:rilni...@icloud.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I 
used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document 
straight also.  I did have it on the handwriting channel.

Rebecca and guide dog Zeb
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Dave]

Hi rebecca,

Just tried my seeing AI, with a christmas card, and the hand writing channel, 
and it did really well.

I don’t use a stand, just held the phone, about 12 inches or so above the card.

Dave.

From: Rebecca Ilniski 
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn’t get it to read for me.  I 
used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document 
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Twitter: applegirl1994

 

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RE: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Rebecca Ilniski]

I attempted to read a Christmas card and couldn't get it to read for me.  I
used the scan stand so that I could make sure I put the camera and document
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Re: hand writing recognition with seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

Hi Sandy,
What I've found is that you have to hold the phone higher from the document 
than with other OCR apps. It is about 18 inches for me. And you have to hold 
steady when it says to hold steady and it will automatically take the picture.
And, yes, the handwriting recognition is amazing!
HTH,
Richard



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On Dec 16, 2017, at 6:56 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
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hi,
Using the Seeing AI app with my iPhone 6 I am able to read, even when in Irish, 
my Christmas cards from my neighbours and friends. this is really good! now, 
just one thing, I have never yet managed to get a document recognised. short 
document mode is fine, but the full one way you take picture always fails. it 
fails because it cuts out because it is taking too long. I imagine, this is 
because of my Internet connection. but if I take a picture of a scene, it comes 
back very quickly with the description which is quite accurate. so, might the 
problem lay elsewhere? after all, it recognises and interpret handwriting, 
which has to be sent off to the cloud to be processed, so, why not documents? 
any ideas?
Very happy, Sandy

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