RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Carolyn Arnold]

I'll put it this way, none of the sighted people who know and love me would 
bother with it, too hard. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2019 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

Low vision users may, but give e 1 single reason why a sighted person would 
turn on Voiceover and then turn on the screen curtain, at that point they are 
putting themselves on the same level as a blind person with respect to using 
their phone, they can’t see the screen and would have to rely entirely on 
Voiceover to double tap on things, they couldn’t swipe to answer a call and if 
they wanted to type something they couldn’t just tap away at lightning speed as 
many especially younger sighted people who grew up with touchscreens can do. 
This would almost be like a sighted person putting on a blindfold and walking 
around with a white cane, there simply is no reason for it.

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Oh, come on!  The world isn’t so black and white!  
Low vision people might use voiceover and even invoke screen curtain. 

 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates

Louie P (Pete) Nalda

MySpace.com/musikonalda <http://MySpace.com/musikonalda> 

Facebook.com/lpnalda <http://Facebook.com/lpnalda> 

Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda <http://Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda> 

Twitter: @lpnalda


On Jun 20, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Mr. Ed mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net> > wrote:

Hi Sieghard and Janet,

I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe 
all those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO 
on to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have 
not ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using 
screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I 
unsub from this list)

 

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply 
stating our experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it 
comes to using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.

I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover 
and you can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a 
feature which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain 
as a stand-alone accessibility feature.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I 
unsub from this list)

 

Sieghard and all,  

Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more 
time.  I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends 
using the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher 
using it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite 
often.  I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the 
reason I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain 
if they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe 
some sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use 
the screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a 
sighted person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed 
most of them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone 
off, or like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns 
on the screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen. 
 They might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if 
they want to, so be it!  

So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.  

Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.  

 

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Low vision users may, but give e 1 single reason why a sighted person would 
turn on Voiceover and then turn on the screen curtain, at that point they are 
putting themselves on the same level as a blind person with respect to using 
their phone, they can’t see the screen and would have to rely entirely on 
Voiceover to double tap on things, they couldn’t swipe to answer a call and if 
they wanted to type something they couldn’t just tap away at lightning speed as 
many especially younger sighted people who grew up with touchscreens can do. 
This would almost be like a sighted person putting on a blindfold and walking 
around with a white cane, there simply is no reason for it.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Pete 
Nalda
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 9:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

Oh, come on!  The world isn’t so black and white!
Low vision people might use voiceover and even invoke screen curtain.

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda<http://MySpace.com/musikonalda>
Facebook.com/lpnalda<http://Facebook.com/lpnalda>
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda<http://Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda>
Twitter: @lpnalda

On Jun 20, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Mr. Ed 
mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:
Hi Sieghard and Janet,
I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe all 
those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO on 
to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have not 
ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using 
screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black.
Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.
I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
stand-alone accessibility feature.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

Sieghard and all,
Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!
So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.
Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?
I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted 

Re: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Pete Nalda]

Oh, come on!  The world isn’t so black and white!  
Low vision people might use voiceover and even invoke screen curtain. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
Louie P (Pete) Nalda
MySpace.com/musikonalda
Facebook.com/lpnalda
Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
Twitter: @lpnalda

> On Jun 20, 2019, at 4:05 PM, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sieghard and Janet,
> I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe all 
> those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO 
> on to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have 
> not ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using 
> screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black.
> Mr. Ed
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
> from this list)
>  
> I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
> experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
> using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.
> I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
> can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
> which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
> stand-alone accessibility feature.
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
> gross
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
> from this list)
>  
> Sieghard and all,  
> Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
> I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends 
> using the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school 
> teacher using it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this 
> quite often.  I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, 
> and the reason I know this is because they either tell me they like this 
> screen curtain if they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on 
> or off.  Maybe some sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is 
> the reason I use the screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t 
> matter to me if a sighted person wants to use an accessibility feature.  
> Although, I have noticed most of them who use the screen curtain, is when 
> either they turn their phone off, or like this school teacher, she uses Siri 
> to set the timer, and she turns on the screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want 
> the kids to see her phone screen.  They might not even realize they are using 
> an accessibility feature, so if they want to, so be it! 
> So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
> accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
> all are certainly entitled to our own opinions. 
> Please let’s not turn this in to bashing. 
>  
> Janet
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
> from this list)
>  
> I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
> people know about the screen curtain?
> I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
> where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
> folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and 
> that includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales 
> rep to show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to 
> show to my employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a 
> picture when Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to 
> double tap a button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture 
> button a few times until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on 
> the screen curtain, but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, 
> your phone is off” or “your screen doesn’t work”.
> I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted 
> people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain 
> on and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time 
> which is displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course 
> get luck

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Karen Poulakos]

I’m not sure they could even access the screen curtain without first turning on 
Voiceover.

 

Karen P

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mr. Ed
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 4:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Hi Sieghard and Janet,

I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe all 
those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO on 
to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have not 
ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using 
screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.

I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
stand-alone accessibility feature.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Sieghard and all,  

Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!  

So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.  

Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?

I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that 
includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to 
show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my 
employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a 
button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times 
until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, 
but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or 
“your screen doesn’t work”.

I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted 
people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain on 
and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time which is 
displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course get lucky 
and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have told them 
about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is 
completely a foreign concept for them.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Cristobal Muñoz]

Indeed. It more sounds like if sighted people are telling you that they’re 
using screen curtain, they’re most likely messing with you.

There’s no real conceivable reason why a sighted person would use this specific 
accessibility related feature for the blind as opposed to say another general 
accessibility one that may lend itself to a more mainstream application. 
Regularly encountering its usage by sighted folks in the wild also sounds  
charitably speaking … implausible.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mr. Ed
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2019 2:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Hi Sieghard and Janet,

I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe all 
those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO on 
to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have not 
ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using 
screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.

I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
stand-alone accessibility feature.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Sieghard and all,  

Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!  

So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.  

Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?

I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that 
includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to 
show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my 
employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a 
button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times 
until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, 
but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or 
“your screen doesn’t work”.

I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Sieghard and Janet,

I am not bashing anyone on this subject. I just find it hard to believe all 
those sighted people are using screen curtain as they would have to have VO on 
to use it. I am like Sieghard, how would they use it with VO on as I have not 
ran into any sighted person who could use VO. Are you sure they are using 
screen curtain and not just locking their iPhone to have the screen black.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 11:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.

I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
stand-alone accessibility feature.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Sieghard and all,  

Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!  

So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.  

Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?

I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that 
includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to 
show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my 
employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a 
button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times 
until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, 
but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or 
“your screen doesn’t work”.

I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted 
people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain on 
and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time which is 
displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course get lucky 
and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have told them 
about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is 
completely a foreign concept for them.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Hi Marcio, 

How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you 
and others  are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know 
anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own!  LOL! 

Janet 

 

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Fazil]

I share your experience, I have noticed that too.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 9:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.

I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
stand-alone accessibility feature.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Sieghard and all,  

Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!  

So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.  

Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.  

 

Janet 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?

I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that 
includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to 
show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my 
employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a 
button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times 
until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, 
but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or 
“your screen doesn’t work”.

I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted 
people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain on 
and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time which is 
displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course get lucky 
and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have told them 
about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is 
completely a foreign concept for them.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Hi Marcio, 

How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you 
and others  are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know 
anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own!  LOL! 

Janet 

 

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I don’t think it was bashing, others including myself were simply stating our 
experience with how helpless almost all sighted people are when it comes to 
using a phone where Voiceover is turned on.
I have yet to come across a single sighted person who uses Voiceover and you 
can’t use screen curtain unless Voiceover is running since that is a feature 
which exists only if Voiceover is on, you can’t turn on screen curtain as a 
stand-alone accessibility feature.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

Sieghard and all,
Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!
So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.
Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?
I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that 
includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to 
show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my 
employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a 
button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times 
until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, 
but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or 
“your screen doesn’t work”.
I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted 
people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain on 
and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time which is 
displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course get lucky 
and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have told them 
about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is 
completely a foreign concept for them.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

Hi Marcio,
How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you 
and others  are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know 
anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own!  LOL!
Janet

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from 
this list)

Carolyn,

How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is 
nothing to see.
Wondering the very same thing. Given that a sighted person will use the screen 
to do what we do using the screen reader, how could they do it without anything 
to see?

Cheers,
Marcio<https://tin

RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[janet gross]

Sieghard and all,
Ok once again, I will only reply to this Screen curtain issue one more time.  
I’ve seen many sighted people including my family, as well as my friends using 
the screen curtain, matter of fact, I even seen my Niece’s school teacher using 
it.  please don’t ask me why, but the fact remains, I see this quite often.  
I’ve even been on a public bus, and seen a bus driver using it, and the reason 
I know this is because they either tell me they like this screen curtain if 
they know me, or I hear Voiceover saying screen curtain on or off.  Maybe some 
sighted people use that feature for privacy as that is the reason I use the 
screen curtain feature.  Who knows, but it doesn’t matter to me if a sighted 
person wants to use an accessibility feature.  Although, I have noticed most of 
them who use the screen curtain, is when either they turn their phone off, or 
like this school teacher, she uses Siri to set the timer, and she turns on the 
screen curtain, maybe she doesn’t want the kids to see her phone screen.  They 
might not even realize they are using an accessibility feature, so if they want 
to, so be it!
So some blind people say sighted people don’t know anything about 
accessibility, and I say I do know some sighted people do know about it.  We 
all are certainly entitled to our own opinions.
Please let’s not turn this in to bashing.

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 11:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?
I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that 
includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to 
show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my 
employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a 
button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times 
until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, 
but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or 
“your screen doesn’t work”.
I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted 
people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain on 
and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time which is 
displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course get lucky 
and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have told them 
about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is 
completely a foreign concept for them.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

Hi Marcio,
How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you 
and others  are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know 
anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own!  LOL!
Janet

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from 
this list)

Carolyn,

How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is 
nothing to see.
Wondering the very same thing. Given that a sighted person will use the screen 
to do what we do using the screen reader, how could they do it without anything 
to see?

Cheers,
Marcio<https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>
AKA Starboy


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[Mr. Ed]

Hi Janet,

I would say you could asked 10 sighted people what screen curtain is and they 
would not have a clue.  Screen curtain is afor blind users so like I said the 
sighted would not know what it is. Heck, most sighted people have never heard 
of voice over. Just asked some of your sighted people you know if they know 
what screen curtain is.

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

 

Hi Marcio, 

How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you 
and others  are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know 
anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own!  LOL! 

Janet 

 

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from 
this list)

 

Carolyn,

How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is 
nothing to see.

Wondering the very same thing. Given that a sighted person will use the screen 
to do what we do using the screen reader, how could they do it without anything 
to see?

Cheers, 
Marcio <https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>  

AKA Starboy

 

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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Marie N.]

Please, please stop sending messages to this thread as requested by several 
members, including myself. It has gone so far off topic.



-Original Message- 
From: Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 10:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

Oh, and, I guess some of them know what VoiceOver is?

Best regards,

Carolyn


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

All a sighted person has to do to turn off screen curtain is to ask SIRI to 
turn off Voiceover, once Voiceover is off there is no more screen curtain.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 5:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

My cousin says what you are saying too. How could they turn off Screen 
Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is nothing to see.


Best regards,

Carolyn


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of janet gross

Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

Carolyn,
Trust me, if a sighted person knows anything about the iPhones they can very 
easily turn off the Screen Curtain, and they can most definitely find 
settings, as this seems to be one of the first things blind or sighted 
people learn about is the settings app.


Janet
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

My husband gets so mixed up about touching icon, then double tapping. Then 
with Screen Curtain on to - forget it. A sighted person is completely blind, 
can't do anything with it at all, can't see how to get to settings.


Best regards,

Carolyn


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of janet gross

Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

HI Carolyn,
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an 
iPhone if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!

Janet

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep 
screen curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person 
could not use the thing, if they got it.


I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you.

Best regards,

Carolyn


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Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten 
an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to 
type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to 
type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid 
pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read 
about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of 
my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost 
$1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and 
it has a real keyboard on it.

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RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Carolyn Arnold]

How/why would they know about Screen Curtain. It doesn't even work, if you 
don't go into Accessibilities and turn on VoiceObver, which none of them ever 
need or want. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub 
from this list)

Hi Marcio, 

How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you 
and others  are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know 
anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own!  LOL! 

Janet 

 

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from 
this list)

 

Carolyn,

How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there 
is nothing to see.

Wondering the very same thing. Given that a sighted person will use the screen 
to do what we do using the screen reader, how could they do it without anything 
to see?

Cheers, 
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RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Carolyn Arnold]

That is what I thought, Hollie. 

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Marcio;
 
A person who would steal a blind person’s phone would probably not have the 
brain power to figure out how to turn off screen curtain, let alone bring up 
Siri to turn off voice over.  Hahahaha.

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RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Carolyn Arnold]

That is what I think. I showed it to my card playing buddies, and they just 
sort of gaped and duh? Nothing there. 

Best regards,

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Carolyn,


How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there 
is nothing to see.

Wondering the very same thing. Given that a sighted person will use the screen 
to do what we do using the screen reader, how could they do it without anything 
to see?

Cheers, 
Marcio <https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>  
AKA Starboy


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RE: how do I unsub from this list

[Carolyn Arnold]

My husband struggles if VoiceOver is on, even though he knows what I have to 
do, thinks it is so hard. He is really good with electronic devices, taught 
electronics in community college years ago and also was a graphic designer. My 
cousin warns me not to fool myself, that a young person could take my phone and 
run with the thing. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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I am sure a sighted person can Google this and learn the gesture to turn off 
screen curtain, but I would say 8 or 9 out of 10 sighted people have no idea 
that they have to tap the screen 3 times with 3 fingers to turn it off, most 
can hardly activate a button with a double tap, I have observed this a lot when 
I give my phone to a sighted person say to take a picture, they tap the camera 
button and then tap it again and again and they have no clue why it doesn't 
take a picture until I tell them they have to tap it twice quickly. Of course 
if they know that all they have to do is activate SIRI and ask to turn off 
Voiceover then off goes the screen curtain as well.


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gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 6:29 PM
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Carolyn, 
Sighted people can and will turn off the Screen Curtain Just like you or I 
would, and if you don't believe this, you're kidding yourself, and you're too 
smart to fall for this. 
  
Janet 

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Carolyn Arnold
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My cousin says what you are saying too. How could they turn off Screen Curtain? 
They haven't a clue, and there is nothing to see. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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janet gross
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Carolyn, 
Trust me, if a sighted person knows anything about the iPhones they can very 
easily turn off the Screen Curtain, and they can most definitely find settings, 
as this seems to be one of the first things blind or sighted people learn about 
is the settings app.   

Janet 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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My husband gets so mixed up about touching icon, then double tapping. Then with 
Screen Curtain on to - forget it. A sighted person is completely blind, can't 
do anything with it at all, can't see how to get to settings. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:24 PM
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HI Carolyn, 
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an iPhone 
if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!   
Janet 

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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep screen 
curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person could not 
use the thing, if they got it. 

I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 11:51 PM
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Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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RE: how do I unsub from this list

[Carolyn Arnold]

Oh, and, I guess some of them know what VoiceOver is? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 1:06 AM
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All a sighted person has to do to turn off screen curtain is to ask SIRI to 
turn off Voiceover, once Voiceover is off there is no more screen curtain.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn 
Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 5:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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My cousin says what you are saying too. How could they turn off Screen Curtain? 
They haven't a clue, and there is nothing to see. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Carolyn, 
Trust me, if a sighted person knows anything about the iPhones they can very 
easily turn off the Screen Curtain, and they can most definitely find settings, 
as this seems to be one of the first things blind or sighted people learn about 
is the settings app.   

Janet 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

My husband gets so mixed up about touching icon, then double tapping. Then with 
Screen Curtain on to - forget it. A sighted person is completely blind, can't 
do anything with it at all, can't see how to get to settings. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

HI Carolyn, 
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an iPhone 
if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!   
Janet 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep screen 
curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person could not 
use the thing, if they got it. 

I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 11:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
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[Carolyn Arnold]

I did not want them, but I think they could be helpful to some, especially in 
the beginning. 

Best regards,

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Arlene
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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We got the speed dots, but we've gotten to know the screen so well, while they 
are on our phones we don't relie on them. I didn't have them on my phone at 
first, so I just got use to not having them. Though the speed dots might be 
helpful for some people.

Arlene


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> Speeddots.com is the only place I know of for them, and there is a 
> variety. I didn't want that, but have recommended it to a friend of mine 
> who has found the touch screen perplexing.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Carolyn
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Russ Kiehne
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list
>
> And I would add to that, he should get a tactel screen protector for his 
> iphone.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alan Lemly
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 5:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list
>
>
> Joshua,
>
> I strongly encourage you to give your iPhone more time. These devices have
> quite a steep learning curve and require a great deal of practice. It is
> very easy to become extremely frustrated because the on screen keyboard is
> not at all intuitive for someone with a visual impairment and it seems at
> first as if every screen wants some sort of keyboard input. You should
> invest some time practicing on screen input and make sure you understand 
> the
> different typing styles. I'd recommend you set touch typing where you 
> slide
> your finger over the keys and when you hear the one you want, you lift 
> your
> finger and it's input. You will be able to do so much more with an iPhone
> than with any old style flip phone and iPhones are here to stay. I hope
> you'll practice some before throwing in the towel.
>
> Alan Lemly
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
>> gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
>> learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
>> idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
>> Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
>> it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
>> my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
>> article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
>> On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
>> most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
>> spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
>> that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
>> -- 
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>>
>> Joshua Hendrickson
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[Carolyn Arnold]

How do they know how to turn it back on? Do they know three-finger triple-tap? 

Best regards,

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Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 9:29 PM
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Carolyn, 
Sighted people can and will turn off the Screen Curtain Just like you or I 
would, and if you don't believe this, you're kidding yourself, and you're too 
smart to fall for this. 
  
Janet 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:44 PM
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My cousin says what you are saying too. How could they turn off Screen Curtain? 
They haven't a clue, and there is nothing to see. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Carolyn, 
Trust me, if a sighted person knows anything about the iPhones they can very 
easily turn off the Screen Curtain, and they can most definitely find settings, 
as this seems to be one of the first things blind or sighted people learn about 
is the settings app.   

Janet 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

My husband gets so mixed up about touching icon, then double tapping. Then with 
Screen Curtain on to - forget it. A sighted person is completely blind, can't 
do anything with it at all, can't see how to get to settings. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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HI Carolyn, 
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an iPhone 
if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!   
Janet 

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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:48 PM
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Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep screen 
curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person could not 
use the thing, if they got it. 

I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 11:51 PM
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Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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RE: how do I unsub from this list

[Carolyn Arnold]

Do you just say, Siri, read new email? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Carolyn, 
Yes, you can ask Siri to send an email message, now, if you have the email 
address in the contacts email address in contacts, but if not, you will have to 
tell Siri the email address.  For example, you could tell Siri to send an email 
message to Janet Gross if you had my email address in your contacts,  and she 
will.  Now if you don't have my email address in your contacts, you will have 
to tell Siri send an email to Janet. harv...@outlook.com , you will need to 
tell Siri what the subject line you want.  Yes, Siri can reply to an email 
message.  Siri can also read to you new email messages.   

I hope this help you.  
Janet 
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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 6:04 PM
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Typing would be in Settings/General/Accessibility, then down that list 
somewhere. After hearing all this, I might try touch typing. Can you get Siri 
to do an email for you? I can get her to text, but haven't has as much luck 
with emails. Also can you get her to reply to one? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Joshua,

It is always painful & frustrating to learn new things.  Based on how good you 
are with the Victor I know you will get more comfortable with the IPhone too.  
You do not have to type everything.  For texts, you can just use Siri.  
Activate Siri & just say send message to name of someone or even a phone 
number.  She will ask what you want to say and when you are done she will read 
the message back to you & ask if you are ready to send.  

When you do need to type something, there is a dictation button to the left of 
the space bar.  When you touch it Siri says double tap to start dictation then 
2 finger double tap when done.  

And as others have said, turning on touch typing does make typing much easier.  
You just lift your finger when you hear the letter you want.  You will get 
faster at landing on the right letter right away.  There is a delete button at 
the bottom right if you make a mistake.

I was going to give you directions on how to change typing to touch but 
couldn't find it just now.  I did this too long ago to remember how.  Hopefully 
someone will chime in with detailed instructions on where this setting is.

Good luck.  I predict you will be helping others with their IPhones within a 
year!
Sherry Wells

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Hi, as a technology teacher, I have to say give the iphone experience a few 
weeks to a month. Check out the basics podcasts on Applevis, or maybe someone 
can be a mentor for you. It takes a few weeks to get in the mindset of the 
iphone. If you're a braille writer, then eventually you will enjoy braille 
screen input instead of the screen keyboard. You can set the typing mode to 
touch tyling so you lift up on the letter you want. Give the iphone some more 
time. You'll not regret it.
Matthew



On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I could ask the opposite, what makes you think all, most or even some sighted 
people know about the screen curtain?
I am completely blind but as part of operating a retail store in a small town 
where the only other few visually impaired or blind people are some elderly 
folks who have lost their sight I deal exclusively with sighted people and that 
includes going to buying shows where I often pass my phone to a sales rep to 
show him a picture or ask him/her to take a picture of a product to show to my 
employees. I rarely have come across anybody who can even take a picture when 
Voiceover is on because sighted people don’t know you have to double tap a 
button when Voiceover is active, they tap the Take Picture button a few times 
until I tell them that doesn’t work. I don’t often turn on the screen curtain, 
but when I do and forget I usually get the comment “Hmm, your phone is off” or 
“your screen doesn’t work”.
I guaranty that if you went to a mall and did a random survey of 500 sighted 
people where you handed them an iPhone with Voiceover and the screen curtain on 
and asked them the simple question whether they can tell you the time which is 
displayed on the phone that none of them could. You might of course get lucky 
and somebody may have a blind friend or family member who may have told them 
about the screen curtain feature which does not exist for sighted people and is 
completely a foreign concept for them.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:38 PM
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from this list)

Hi Marcio,
How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you 
and others  are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know 
anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own!  LOL!
Janet

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 12:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from 
this list)

Carolyn,

How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is 
nothing to see.
Wondering the very same thing. Given that a sighted person will use the screen 
to do what we do using the screen reader, how could they do it without anything 
to see?

Cheers,
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Re: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Marie N.]

I have done some teaching people who are just losing their sight and need to 
learn to use voiceover. It is best to turn the screen curtain on so they learn 
it without any sight. This relieves some of the frustration as their sight 
becomes worse. But a fully sighted person would probably have no clue what a 
screen curtain was or how to turn it off. The exception is for a close family 
or friend who has learned a bit about how we use our phones.

From: 'Marcio' via VIPhone 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:14 PM
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Subject: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from 
this list)

Carolyn,

How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is 
nothing to see.Wondering the very same thing. Given that a sighted person will 
use the screen to do what we do using the screen reader, how could they do it 
without anything to see?

Cheers, 
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[Dave]

Hi guys, any chance, that the subject line could be change, to something 
more appropriate now, as it doesn't reflect the main body of the message, 
and members, will be skipping Emails, when they could be helping.


Dave.


-Original Message- 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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All a sighted person has to do to turn off screen curtain is to ask SIRI to 
turn off Voiceover, once Voiceover is off there is no more screen curtain.


-Original Message-
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Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 5:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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My cousin says what you are saying too. How could they turn off Screen 
Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is nothing to see.


Best regards,

Carolyn


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Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:38 PM
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Carolyn,
Trust me, if a sighted person knows anything about the iPhones they can very 
easily turn off the Screen Curtain, and they can most definitely find 
settings, as this seems to be one of the first things blind or sighted 
people learn about is the settings app.


Janet
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Of Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

My husband gets so mixed up about touching icon, then double tapping. Then 
with Screen Curtain on to - forget it. A sighted person is completely blind, 
can't do anything with it at all, can't see how to get to settings.


Best regards,

Carolyn


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Of janet gross

Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:24 PM
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HI Carolyn,
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an 
iPhone if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!

Janet

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Of Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep 
screen curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person 
could not use the thing, if they got it.


I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you.

Best regards,

Carolyn


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Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 11:51 PM
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Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten 
an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to 
type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to 
type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid 
pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read 
about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of 
my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost 
$1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and 
it has a real keyboard on it.

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please change the subject line as every time I see unsubscribe from this 
list I am ignoring it Janet


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Carolyn,
Trust me, if a sighted person knows anything about the iPhones they can very 
easily turn off the Screen Curtain, and they can most definitely find 
settings, as this seems to be one of the first things blind or sighted 
people learn about is the settings app.


Janet
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

My husband gets so mixed up about touching icon, then double tapping. Then 
with Screen Curtain on to - forget it. A sighted person is completely blind, 
can't do anything with it at all, can't see how to get to settings.


Best regards,

Carolyn


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Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:24 PM
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HI Carolyn,
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an 
iPhone if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!

Janet

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Of Carolyn Arnold

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep 
screen curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person 
could not use the thing, if they got it.


I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you.

Best regards,

Carolyn


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Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 11:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten 
an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to 
type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to 
type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid 
pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read 
about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of 
my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost 
$1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and 
it has a real keyboard on it.

--
Joshua Hendrickson

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RE: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[janet gross]

Hi Marcio,
How do you know sighted people don’t know about Screen Curtain?? I think you 
and others  are sadly mistaken when you think sighted people don’t know 
anything about the Screen Curtain?, but each to their own!  LOL!
Janet

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Subject: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from 
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Carolyn,

How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is 
nothing to see.
Wondering the very same thing. Given that a sighted person will use the screen 
to do what we do using the screen reader, how could they do it without anything 
to see?

Cheers,
Marcio<https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>
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Re: Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

[Holly]

Marcio;

A person who would steal a blind person’s phone would probably not have the 
brain power to figure out how to turn off screen curtain, let alone bring up 
Siri to turn off voice over.  Hahahaha.

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Sighted people and Voiceover Screen Curtain (was: how do I unsub from this list)

['Marcio' via VIPhone]

Carolyn,

How could they turn off Screen Curtain? They haven't a clue, and there is 
nothing to see.
Wondering the very same thing. Given that a sighted person will use the 
screen to do what we do using the screen reader, how could they do it 
without anything to see?


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RE: how do I unsub from this list

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am sure a sighted person can Google this and learn the gesture to turn off 
screen curtain, but I would say 8 or 9 out of 10 sighted people have no idea 
that they have to tap the screen 3 times with 3 fingers to turn it off, most 
can hardly activate a button with a double tap, I have observed this a lot when 
I give my phone to a sighted person say to take a picture, they tap the camera 
button and then tap it again and again and they have no clue why it doesn't 
take a picture until I tell them they have to tap it twice quickly. Of course 
if they know that all they have to do is activate SIRI and ask to turn off 
Voiceover then off goes the screen curtain as well.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
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Carolyn, 
Sighted people can and will turn off the Screen Curtain Just like you or I 
would, and if you don't believe this, you're kidding yourself, and you're too 
smart to fall for this. 
  
Janet 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:44 PM
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My cousin says what you are saying too. How could they turn off Screen Curtain? 
They haven't a clue, and there is nothing to see. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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janet gross
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Carolyn, 
Trust me, if a sighted person knows anything about the iPhones they can very 
easily turn off the Screen Curtain, and they can most definitely find settings, 
as this seems to be one of the first things blind or sighted people learn about 
is the settings app.   

Janet 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:29 PM
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My husband gets so mixed up about touching icon, then double tapping. Then with 
Screen Curtain on to - forget it. A sighted person is completely blind, can't 
do anything with it at all, can't see how to get to settings. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:24 PM
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HI Carolyn, 
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an iPhone 
if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!   
Janet 

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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:48 PM
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Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep screen 
curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person could not 
use the thing, if they got it. 

I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 11:51 PM
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Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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RE: how do I unsub from this list

[Sieghard Weitzel]

All a sighted person has to do to turn off screen curtain is to ask SIRI to 
turn off Voiceover, once Voiceover is off there is no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
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Arnold
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My cousin says what you are saying too. How could they turn off Screen Curtain? 
They haven't a clue, and there is nothing to see. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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janet gross
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Carolyn, 
Trust me, if a sighted person knows anything about the iPhones they can very 
easily turn off the Screen Curtain, and they can most definitely find settings, 
as this seems to be one of the first things blind or sighted people learn about 
is the settings app.   

Janet 
-Original Message-
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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:29 PM
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My husband gets so mixed up about touching icon, then double tapping. Then with 
Screen Curtain on to - forget it. A sighted person is completely blind, can't 
do anything with it at all, can't see how to get to settings. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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HI Carolyn, 
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an iPhone 
if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!   
Janet 

-Original Message-
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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:48 PM
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Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep screen 
curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person could not 
use the thing, if they got it. 

I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Holly]

Thank you Arleen:

I am old too, but still try to keep up with the technology that helps us 
live more independent lives.


I was very scared at first with my iPhone, which I have had now for over two 
years, but now don't know how I lived without it.


Whenever I have a question, I just Google the question and can probably find 
the answer I need.


So, we old folks still need to learn new things to keep the brain cells 
stimulated.  Hahahaha.


I don't think the iPhone will ever replace my PC, but it is sure a great 
addition.


Holly 


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[Richard Turner]

Sorry folks, but could you all start new threads by composing a new Email with 
the subject line that matches what you are talking about?

The actual subjects in most of these messages stopped being about unsubscribing 
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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Arlene]

We got the speed dots, but we've gotten to know the screen so well, while 
they are on our phones we don't relie on them. I didn't have them on my 
phone at first, so I just got use to not having them. Though the speed dots 
might be helpful for some people.


Arlene


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Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 6:20 PM
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Speeddots.com is the only place I know of for them, and there is a 
variety. I didn't want that, but have recommended it to a friend of mine 
who has found the touch screen perplexing.


Best regards,

Carolyn


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And I would add to that, he should get a tactel screen protector for his 
iphone.


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Joshua,

I strongly encourage you to give your iPhone more time. These devices have
quite a steep learning curve and require a great deal of practice. It is
very easy to become extremely frustrated because the on screen keyboard is
not at all intuitive for someone with a visual impairment and it seems at
first as if every screen wants some sort of keyboard input. You should
invest some time practicing on screen input and make sure you understand 
the
different typing styles. I'd recommend you set touch typing where you 
slide
your finger over the keys and when you hear the one you want, you lift 
your

finger and it's input. You will be able to do so much more with an iPhone
than with any old style flip phone and iPhones are here to stay. I hope
you'll practice some before throwing in the towel.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  
wrote:


Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Arlene]

Holly, I love this quote, and it's so true and meaningfull. Carolyn joined 
the list about 2 months after I did, and she said to begine with she was 
going to concentrate on learning one thing at a time, which is about the 
best way to learn so you don't feel overwhelmed. That was encouraging to me 
too since Wayne and I were in our beginnings of learning our phones too. We 
all vary in how we learn and take to new things, such as a phone. So there 
might be some that would have everything all figured out in the first 2 or 3 
days or month, and some of us take more time to learn and get use to 
something new. So as the quote says to do it, and I would add to it, see how 
you feel  after you do something you learned on the phone, and how good you 
feel when you have it down pat, even just one thing you learned.


Arlene
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To: 
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Joshua:

Just put this quote on your reminders.

"Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed 
is always to try just one more time."

THOMAS A. EDISON



Keep keeping on.  I was frustrated at firstalso, but just keep trying.  It 
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[janet gross]

Carolyn, 
Sighted people can and will turn off the Screen Curtain Just like you or I 
would, and if you don't believe this, you're kidding yourself, and you're too 
smart to fall for this. 
  
Janet 

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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:44 PM
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My cousin says what you are saying too. How could they turn off Screen Curtain? 
They haven't a clue, and there is nothing to see. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:38 PM
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Carolyn, 
Trust me, if a sighted person knows anything about the iPhones they can very 
easily turn off the Screen Curtain, and they can most definitely find settings, 
as this seems to be one of the first things blind or sighted people learn about 
is the settings app.   

Janet 
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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

My husband gets so mixed up about touching icon, then double tapping. Then with 
Screen Curtain on to - forget it. A sighted person is completely blind, can't 
do anything with it at all, can't see how to get to settings. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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HI Carolyn, 
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an iPhone 
if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!   
Janet 

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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep screen 
curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person could not 
use the thing, if they got it. 

I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 11:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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Carolyn, 
Yes, you can ask Siri to send an email message, now, if you have the email 
address in the contacts email address in contacts, but if not, you will have to 
tell Siri the email address.  For example, you could tell Siri to send an email 
message to Janet Gross if you had my email address in your contacts,  and she 
will.  Now if you don't have my email address in your contacts, you will have 
to tell Siri send an email to Janet. harv...@outlook.com , you will need to 
tell Siri what the subject line you want.  Yes, Siri can reply to an email 
message.  Siri can also read to you new email messages.   

I hope this help you.  
Janet 
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Carolyn Arnold
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Typing would be in Settings/General/Accessibility, then down that list 
somewhere. After hearing all this, I might try touch typing. Can you get Siri 
to do an email for you? I can get her to text, but haven't has as much luck 
with emails. Also can you get her to reply to one? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Joshua,

It is always painful & frustrating to learn new things.  Based on how good you 
are with the Victor I know you will get more comfortable with the IPhone too.  
You do not have to type everything.  For texts, you can just use Siri.  
Activate Siri & just say send message to name of someone or even a phone 
number.  She will ask what you want to say and when you are done she will read 
the message back to you & ask if you are ready to send.  

When you do need to type something, there is a dictation button to the left of 
the space bar.  When you touch it Siri says double tap to start dictation then 
2 finger double tap when done.  

And as others have said, turning on touch typing does make typing much easier.  
You just lift your finger when you hear the letter you want.  You will get 
faster at landing on the right letter right away.  There is a delete button at 
the bottom right if you make a mistake.

I was going to give you directions on how to change typing to touch but 
couldn't find it just now.  I did this too long ago to remember how.  Hopefully 
someone will chime in with detailed instructions on where this setting is.

Good luck.  I predict you will be helping others with their IPhones within a 
year!
Sherry Wells

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Hi, as a technology teacher, I have to say give the iphone experience a few 
weeks to a month. Check out the basics podcasts on Applevis, or maybe someone 
can be a mentor for you. It takes a few weeks to get in the mindset of the 
iphone. If you're a braille writer, then eventually you will enjoy braille 
screen input instead of the screen keyboard. You can set the typing mode to 
touch tyling so you lift up on the letter you want. Give the iphone some more 
time. You'll not regret it.
Matthew



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Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
--
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My cousin says what you are saying too. How could they turn off Screen Curtain? 
They haven't a clue, and there is nothing to see. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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janet gross
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Carolyn, 
Trust me, if a sighted person knows anything about the iPhones they can very 
easily turn off the Screen Curtain, and they can most definitely find settings, 
as this seems to be one of the first things blind or sighted people learn about 
is the settings app.   

Janet 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

My husband gets so mixed up about touching icon, then double tapping. Then with 
Screen Curtain on to - forget it. A sighted person is completely blind, can't 
do anything with it at all, can't see how to get to settings. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

HI Carolyn, 
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an iPhone 
if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!   
Janet 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:48 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep screen 
curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person could not 
use the thing, if they got it. 

I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 11:51 PM
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Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
--
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I don't think putting unsubscribe in the subject line will do anything 
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On 6/9/19 7:54 AM, Janet Bell wrote:
you have to go dow the email until you find unsubscribe or send an 
email with unsubscribe in the subject line.


-Original Message- From: PaPaC.
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delete me please un subscribe me please

On 6/9/19, Dave  wrote:
May sound like a daft question. But why did you join an iPhone list, 
if you


have no interest in getting one?

Dave.


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unscribe me from this users list. please I don't have a I phone I will
never get one I don't no how to youse one delete me frome from this
user list please I have 2girls Obianuju and Miracle as of may5 2019.
please delete me from this email list have a nice day thanks so much

On 6/9/19, alia robinson  wrote:

not a very good attitude. I cannot believe you are already giving up.
it’s
not even been a week yet.

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Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
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Carolyn, 
Trust me, if a sighted person knows anything about the iPhones they can very 
easily turn off the Screen Curtain, and they can most definitely find settings, 
as this seems to be one of the first things blind or sighted people learn about 
is the settings app.   

Janet 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 7:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

My husband gets so mixed up about touching icon, then double tapping. Then with 
Screen Curtain on to - forget it. A sighted person is completely blind, can't 
do anything with it at all, can't see how to get to settings. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
janet gross
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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HI Carolyn, 
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an iPhone 
if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!   
Janet 

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Carolyn Arnold
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 5:48 PM
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Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep screen 
curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person could not 
use the thing, if they got it. 

I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 11:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

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My husband gets so mixed up about touching icon, then double tapping. Then with 
Screen Curtain on to - forget it. A sighted person is completely blind, can't 
do anything with it at all, can't see how to get to settings. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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janet gross
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HI Carolyn, 
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an iPhone 
if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!   
Janet 

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Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep screen 
curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person could not 
use the thing, if they got it. 

I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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RE: how do I unsub from this list

[janet gross]

HI Carolyn, 
Just out of curiosity, Why would a sighted person not be able to use an iPhone 
if Voiceover is on? This is interesting!   
Janet 

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Carolyn Arnold
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Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep screen 
curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person could not 
use the thing, if they got it. 

I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Christopher Chaltain]

I think that depends on the flip phone. I know my son was reluctant to 
give up his flip phone because he could go days on it without a 
recharge. His smart phone carrying friends would borrow his flip phone 
to make phone calls when their phones died out at some concert.



On 6/9/19 5:55 PM, Carolyn Arnold wrote:

You'll have way better battery life with an iPhone than with a flip phone.

Best regards,

Carolyn


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Josh, as a 72-year-old user, it took me several years to become as familiar 
with I devices as I am. I by no means know every feature and how to use them 
but I get done what I need done. I think flip phones are transitory and will 
probably not be around much longer and if you can master the iphone, you will 
have at your command much more functionality and be  much more independent.

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Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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RE: how do I unsub from this list

[Carolyn Arnold]

Speeddots.com is the only place I know of for them, and there is a variety. I 
didn't want that, but have recommended it to a friend of mine who has found the 
touch screen perplexing. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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And I would add to that, he should get a tactel screen protector for his iphone.

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Joshua,

I strongly encourage you to give your iPhone more time. These devices have 
quite a steep learning curve and require a great deal of practice. It is 
very easy to become extremely frustrated because the on screen keyboard is 
not at all intuitive for someone with a visual impairment and it seems at 
first as if every screen wants some sort of keyboard input. You should 
invest some time practicing on screen input and make sure you understand the 
different typing styles. I'd recommend you set touch typing where you slide 
your finger over the keys and when you hear the one you want, you lift your 
finger and it's input. You will be able to do so much more with an iPhone 
than with any old style flip phone and iPhones are here to stay. I hope 
you'll practice some before throwing in the towel.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
>
> Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
> gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
> learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
> idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
> Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
> it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
> my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
> article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
> On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
> most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
> spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
> that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
> -- 
> Joshua Hendrickson
>
> Joshua Hendrickson
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[Holly]

Carolyn:

I usually use dictation when sending and replying to an email.  Don't know 
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[Holly]

Joshua:

Just put this quote on your reminders.

"Our greatest weakness lies in giving up. The most certain way to succeed is 
always to try just one more time."

THOMAS A. EDISON



Keep keeping on.  I was frustrated at firstalso, but just keep trying.  It 
will come. 


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[Holly]

Josh:

I think standard typing is easier when you first start out, but don't forget 
dictation and Siri to help you along. 


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[Carolyn Arnold]

Typing would be in Settings/General/Accessibility, then down that list 
somewhere. After hearing all this, I might try touch typing. Can you get Siri 
to do an email for you? I can get her to text, but haven't has as much luck 
with emails. Also can you get her to reply to one? 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Joshua,

It is always painful & frustrating to learn new things.  Based on how good you 
are with the Victor I know you will get more comfortable with the IPhone too.  
You do not have to type everything.  For texts, you can just use Siri.  
Activate Siri & just say send message to name of someone or even a phone 
number.  She will ask what you want to say and when you are done she will read 
the message back to you & ask if you are ready to send.  

When you do need to type something, there is a dictation button to the left of 
the space bar.  When you touch it Siri says double tap to start dictation then 
2 finger double tap when done.  

And as others have said, turning on touch typing does make typing much easier.  
You just lift your finger when you hear the letter you want.  You will get 
faster at landing on the right letter right away.  There is a delete button at 
the bottom right if you make a mistake.

I was going to give you directions on how to change typing to touch but 
couldn't find it just now.  I did this too long ago to remember how.  Hopefully 
someone will chime in with detailed instructions on where this setting is.

Good luck.  I predict you will be helping others with their IPhones within a 
year!
Sherry Wells

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Hi, as a technology teacher, I have to say give the iphone experience a few 
weeks to a month. Check out the basics podcasts on Applevis, or maybe someone 
can be a mentor for you. It takes a few weeks to get in the mindset of the 
iphone. If you're a braille writer, then eventually you will enjoy braille 
screen input instead of the screen keyboard. You can set the typing mode to 
touch tyling so you lift up on the letter you want. Give the iphone some more 
time. You'll not regret it.
Matthew



On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

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Bonnie, please, check the Hadley videos. I can't begin to tell you how helpful 
they are. I just went to Google, typed:

Hadley Institute for Blind and Visually impaired Videos on iPhone.

When you get to one, you'll have to Down Arrow to the Play Button. You know how 
some videos can be tricky. Apple Accessibility recommended that I try them. At 
that time, I could hardly flick. Now, I'm a big time flicker. I'd try to flick, 
and sometimes I'd go back, when I'd swear I'd be flicking forward. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 9:47 AM
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I understand how Josh feels. I have an iPhone and don't use it nearly as much 
as I could. I looked in to whether Ohio had any programs to help people learn 
to use them and didn't find any. Unfortunately, even if they do have them 
somewhere, I live in a very rural area so I am out of luck. 

I kept mine and use it for what I can. I don't have the money to pay for 
lessons and am shy about working with people with technology. Although I have 
gotten over a lot of this, I am so afraid I will look like an idiot I have 
never looked in to doing this. 

I don't think Josh should give up so soon. He has family members who can help 
not so much with learning but getting him out of a scrape which I don't have 
because I live alone. With all we have heard about the iPhone, the one thing we 
all know is that it has a flat screen so should anticipate a huge learning 
curve. 

Bonnie Blose, 

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Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 11:51 PM
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Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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They can be particularly challenging to one who is very proficient with most 
thing. Then, boom! Here is this device that seems to have a life of its own. 

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Joshua,

I strongly encourage you to give your iPhone more time. These devices have 
quite a steep learning curve and require a great deal of practice. It is very 
easy to become extremely frustrated because the on screen keyboard is not at 
all intuitive for someone with a visual impairment and it seems at first as if 
every screen wants some sort of keyboard input. You should invest some time 
practicing on screen input and make sure you understand the different typing 
styles. I'd recommend you set touch typing where you slide your finger over the 
keys and when you hear the one you want, you lift your finger and it's input. 
You will be able to do so much more with an iPhone than with any old style flip 
phone and iPhones are here to stay. I hope you'll practice some before throwing 
in the towel.

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have 
> gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to 
> learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the 
> idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
> Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn 
> it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in 
> my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that 
> article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
> On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and 
> most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I 
> spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for 
> that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
> --
> Joshua Hendrickson
> 
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[Carolyn Arnold]

My husband said take one thing at a time, and that is what I have done. 

Best regards,

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 7:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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It didn't even take him a day or two before he was ready to give up.
If you take it one day at a time and learn bit by bit it's easy. What do I know 
It only took me a few hours before I was using my IPhone pretty well. My first 
touch screen was a galaxy s3 it had no keboard for me to fall back on and I did 
quite well after a day of use. I know everyone doesn't catch on that fast but 
come on giving up like that is not  the way to go.

On 6/9/19, Dave  wrote:
> I can't remove you, as i don't own the list.
>
> But if you take the time, to read to the end of each post, you will 
> find the
>
> unsubscribe link. So, do it yourself.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PaPaC.
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 12:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list
>
> delete me please un subscribe me please
>
> On 6/9/19, Dave  wrote:
>> May sound like a daft question. But why did you join an iPhone list, 
>> if you
>>
>> have no interest in getting one?
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: PaPaC.
>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 12:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list
>>
>> unscribe me from this users list. please I don't have a I phone I 
>> will never get one I don't no how to youse one delete me frome from 
>> this user list please I have 2girls Obianuju and Miracle as of may5 2019.
>> please delete me from this email list have a nice day thanks so much
>>
>> On 6/9/19, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> not a very good attitude. I cannot believe you are already giving up.
>>> it’s
>>> not even been a week yet.
>>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should 
>>> have gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the 
>>> time to learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I 
>>> hate the idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an 
>>> app.
>>> Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just 
>>> turn it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to 
>>> type in my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have 
>>> let that article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an 
>>> iPhone.
>>> On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and 
>>> most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I 
>>> spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer 
>>> for that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
>>> --
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>>>
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>>>
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You have to unsubscribe yourself. Check the bottom of the message. Enter on 
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
PaPaC.
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 7:39 AM
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delete me please un subscribe me please

On 6/9/19, Dave  wrote:
> May sound like a daft question. But why did you join an iPhone list, 
> if you
>
> have no interest in getting one?
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PaPaC.
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 12:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list
>
> unscribe me from this users list. please I don't have a I phone I will 
> never get one I don't no how to youse one delete me frome from this 
> user list please I have 2girls Obianuju and Miracle as of may5 2019.
> please delete me from this email list have a nice day thanks so much
>
> On 6/9/19, alia robinson  wrote:
>> not a very good attitude. I cannot believe you are already giving up.
>> it’s
>> not even been a week yet.
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have 
>> gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time 
>> to learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate 
>> the idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
>> Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just 
>> turn it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to 
>> type in my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have 
>> let that article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an 
>> iPhone.
>> On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and 
>> most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I 
>> spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for 
>> that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
>> --
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[Carolyn Arnold]

You'll have way better battery life with an iPhone than with a flip phone. 

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Larry Lumpkin
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Josh, as a 72-year-old user, it took me several years to become as familiar 
with I devices as I am. I by no means know every feature and how to use them 
but I get done what I need done. I think flip phones are transitory and will 
probably not be around much longer and if you can master the iphone, you will 
have at your command much more functionality and be  much more independent. 

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Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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[Carolyn Arnold]

I can. Touch screen can be really annoying until one can make up one's mind, 
others do it, I can. Still, when one is extremely proficient with flips and 
other devices with buttons, it is hard to give them up. 

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alia robinson
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not a very good attitude. I cannot believe you are already giving up. it’s not 
even been a week yet.

On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
--
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RE: how do I unsub from this list

[Carolyn Arnold]

I don't think you'd regreat it. I got my phone in May and turned 81 in July - 
learned it with Hadley videos. They explain so much quite clearly. Believe me I 
watched most of them more than once. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Hi, as a technology teacher, I have to say give the iphone experience a few 
weeks to a month. Check out the basics podcasts on Applevis, or maybe someone 
can be a mentor for you. It takes a few weeks to get in the mindset of the 
iphone. If you're a braille writer, then eventually you will enjoy braille 
screen input instead of the screen keyboard. You can set the typing mode to 
touch tyling so you lift up on the letter you want. Give the iphone some more 
time. You'll not regret it.
Matthew



On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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[Carolyn Arnold]

Josh, I did not put a password in my iPhone. If you can get it off, keep screen 
curtain on, and with VoiceOver on, my husband says a sighted person could not 
use the thing, if they got it. 

I am so sorry that it is such a disappointment to you. 

Best regards,

Carolyn 


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Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 11:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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[Arlene]

We read about the Lucia phone sometime last week, it won't be in the united 
states until sometime in july.
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  Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 11:42 AM
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  It’s a bit funny, but when I went to the top of the page and then tabbed Jaws 
said “dialogue” and then tabbing to the USA button (it only has Europ or USA) 
worked. You can try this link, it may get you past it:

   

  Lucia Phone

   

  Seems like this is not yet available because it says “coming soon”. No 
pricing is given and here is my two cents worth:

  Unless somebody can’t use a touch screen phone like the iPhone because of 
multiple disabilities, maybe motor skill issues which despite the 
accommodations the iPhone has can’t be overcome, going back to a phone like 
this Lucia to me is sort of like going back from a modern PC to using a 
typewriter. As many pointed out, you have to learn the concepts and gestures 
for the iPhone, but Larry and Carolyn are only two examples of people in their 
70’s and I think Carolyn is already 80, who apparently successfully managed to 
learn how to use the iPhone with Voiceover. Giving up after a day or two is not 
advisable.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie 
N.
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  I went to this web site with both Chrome and FireFox using Jaws on a Win 10 
computer and can’t get past the “select region”. Interesting?

   

   

  From: Richard Turner 

  Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:59 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

   

  Joshua, 

  There is a new flip phone that talks, reads missed calls, you can text the 
old fashioned way, and it will read the text messages you receive and it has 
lots of high quality voices on it; its called the Lucia phone.

  www.luciaphone.com

   

  You should know that you can set your iPhone so that you do not have to enter 
your password for free apps, and as has been said, you do not have to use a 
passcode.

  But, flat screen phones are not for everyone.

  Best of luck,

  Richard

   

  Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

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flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

   

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  On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

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[Sieghard Weitzel]

I finally came across the original message from Josh in this thread which I 
think is going on way too long! I think the encouragement is good, but the 
point was made and I think there is one important aspect to consider, Joshua 
says:

I don't want to take the time to learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on 
the screen.
I hate the idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an 
app. Stupid security.
My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on and it would power 
up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass code to unlock my 
phone.

I see a complete unwillingness to learn, he compares his flip phone to a 
smartphone which is like comparing a bicycle to a car. Of course there is 
security and you have to type your password if you want to download apps, you 
can't do that on a flip phone and while somebody can see your contacts if you 
enter any on your flip phone and it is stolen, lost or otherwise accessed, , 
there really isn't anything else they can get at.
Of course nothing about having to type a password or even a passcode is 
different from how it is on a computer except that on the computer you have a 
keyboard which you can just as easily have on the iPhone as many have pointed 
out and the passcode requirement you can even disable if you don't care about 
security or make it super easy by setting up Touch Id which in 99% of the cases 
also eliminates typing your password when you buy an app since you can 
authenticate simply by putting your finger on the home button. Oh well, to each 
their own, I wouldn't even know what to do any more without my iPhone after 
almost 10 years of using it daily.


Regards,
Sieghard



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Stageberg
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 11:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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All this new information is overwhelming, even to someone like Joshua, who is 
not a computer rookie. The iPhone requires that you think about how you do 
things in a different way, using different "little gray cells" than you are 
used to.

My advice is: learn one new thing every day. Don't try to do it all at once. 
Start by letting Siri do stuff. It was months before I sent a text without 
Siri. I'm not a power iPhone user by any stretch; I use it like a phone, not a 
hand-held computer like the real whiz-bangers do. Just take baby steps. 
Eventually you will walk.

Susie


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Dave
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 9:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

Also, there is voiceover practise mode, which will help, with getting use to 
gestures.

Dave.


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Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 3:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Joshua,

It is always painful & frustrating to learn new things.  Based on how good you 
are with the Victor I know you will get more comfortable with the IPhone too.  
You do not have to type everything.  For texts, you can just use Siri. 
Activate Siri & just say send message to name of someone or even a phone 
number.  She will ask what you want to say and when you are done she will read 
the message back to you & ask if you are ready to send.

When you do need to type something, there is a dictation button to the left of 
the space bar.  When you touch it Siri says double tap to start dictation then 
2 finger double tap when done.

And as others have said, turning on touch typing does make typing much easier.  
You just lift your finger when you hear the letter you want.  You will get 
faster at landing on the right letter right away.  There is a delete button at 
the bottom right if you make a mistake.

I was going to give you directions on how to change typing to touch but 
couldn't find it just now.  I did this too long ago to remember how. 
Hopefully someone will chime in with detailed instructions on where this 
setting is.

Good luck.  I predict you will be helping others with their IPhones within a 
year!
Sherry Wells

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Matthew 
Bullis
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 12:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

Hi, as a technology teacher, I have to say give the iphone experience a few 
weeks to a month. Check out the basics podcasts on Applevis, or maybe someone 
can be a mentor for you. It takes a few weeks to get in the mindset of the 
iphone. If you're a braille writer, then eventually you will enjoy braille 
screen input instead of the screen keyboard. You can set the typing mode to 
touch tyling so you lift up on the letter you want. Give the iphone some more 
time. You'll not regret it.
Matthew



On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  w

RE: how do I unsub from this list

[Susie Stageberg]

All this new information is overwhelming, even to someone like Joshua, who is 
not a computer rookie. The iPhone requires that you think about how you do 
things in a different way, using different "little gray cells" than you are 
used to.

My advice is: learn one new thing every day. Don't try to do it all at once. 
Start by letting Siri do stuff. It was months before I sent a text without 
Siri. I'm not a power iPhone user by any stretch; I use it like a phone, not a 
hand-held computer like the real whiz-bangers do. Just take baby steps. 
Eventually you will walk.

Susie


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dave
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 9:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

Also, there is voiceover practise mode, which will help, with getting use to 
gestures.

Dave.


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From: sherrywells1...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 3:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

Joshua,

It is always painful & frustrating to learn new things.  Based on how good 
you are with the Victor I know you will get more comfortable with the IPhone 
too.  You do not have to type everything.  For texts, you can just use Siri. 
Activate Siri & just say send message to name of someone or even a phone 
number.  She will ask what you want to say and when you are done she will 
read the message back to you & ask if you are ready to send.

When you do need to type something, there is a dictation button to the left 
of the space bar.  When you touch it Siri says double tap to start dictation 
then 2 finger double tap when done.

And as others have said, turning on touch typing does make typing much 
easier.  You just lift your finger when you hear the letter you want.  You 
will get faster at landing on the right letter right away.  There is a 
delete button at the bottom right if you make a mistake.

I was going to give you directions on how to change typing to touch but 
couldn't find it just now.  I did this too long ago to remember how. 
Hopefully someone will chime in with detailed instructions on where this 
setting is.

Good luck.  I predict you will be helping others with their IPhones within a 
year!
Sherry Wells

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Matthew Bullis
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 12:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

Hi, as a technology teacher, I have to say give the iphone experience a few 
weeks to a month. Check out the basics podcasts on Applevis, or maybe 
someone can be a mentor for you. It takes a few weeks to get in the mindset 
of the iphone. If you're a braille writer, then eventually you will enjoy 
braille screen input instead of the screen keyboard. You can set the typing 
mode to touch tyling so you lift up on the letter you want. Give the iphone 
some more time. You'll not regret it.
Matthew



On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten 
an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to 
type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to 
type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid 
pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read 
about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of 
my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost 
$1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and 
it has a real keyboard on it.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

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[Susie Stageberg]

Bonnie,

The Hadley school, which does distance learning, has podcasts to help learn the 
iPhone. Also, National Braille Press has some books. The AppleVis site has some 
really good materials. I have to say I had a couple of one-on-one sessions with 
friends of mine who are whiz-bang iPhone users, and that helped, sort of got me 
launched. 

It would be nice if all the state agencies had programs, but if the other 
states are like Iowa, they are struggling with greatly reduced funding, and 
they use that funding to help their clients who are looking for work. Should 
they have training for the rest of us? Oh yeah. But the sad reality is that 
government funding is not on the rise. So: I hear you loud and clear. I suspect 
there are people who would do training (for a fee). Someone else may know more 
about that than I do.

Susie


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Bonnie Blose
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 8:47 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

I understand how Josh feels. I have an iPhone and don't use it nearly as much 
as I could. I looked in to whether Ohio had any programs to help people learn 
to use them and didn't find any. Unfortunately, even if they do have them 
somewhere, I live in a very rural area so I am out of luck. 

I kept mine and use it for what I can. I don't have the money to pay for 
lessons and am shy about working with people with technology. Although I have 
gotten over a lot of this, I am so afraid I will look like an idiot I have 
never looked in to doing this. 

I don't think Josh should give up so soon. He has family members who can help 
not so much with learning but getting him out of a scrape which I don't have 
because I live alone. With all we have heard about the iPhone, the one thing we 
all know is that it has a flat screen so should anticipate a huge learning 
curve. 

Bonnie Blose, 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 11:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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[Marie N.]

Oh I agree with you and would never go back to a flip phone no matter how 
accessible. But there are still people around who just do not want to go to a 
smart phone and I like to keep somewhat up to date on what is available.


From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 9:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: how do I unsub from this list

It’s a bit funny, but when I went to the top of the page and then tabbed Jaws 
said “dialogue” and then tabbing to the USA button (it only has Europ or USA) 
worked. You can try this link, it may get you past it:

 

Lucia Phone

 

Seems like this is not yet available because it says “coming soon”. No pricing 
is given and here is my two cents worth:

Unless somebody can’t use a touch screen phone like the iPhone because of 
multiple disabilities, maybe motor skill issues which despite the 
accommodations the iPhone has can’t be overcome, going back to a phone like 
this Lucia to me is sort of like going back from a modern PC to using a 
typewriter. As many pointed out, you have to learn the concepts and gestures 
for the iPhone, but Larry and Carolyn are only two examples of people in their 
70’s and I think Carolyn is already 80, who apparently successfully managed to 
learn how to use the iPhone with Voiceover. Giving up after a day or two is not 
advisable.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie N.
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

 

I went to this web site with both Chrome and FireFox using Jaws on a Win 10 
computer and can’t get past the “select region”. Interesting?

 

 

From: Richard Turner 

Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:59 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

 

Joshua, 

There is a new flip phone that talks, reads missed calls, you can text the old 
fashioned way, and it will read the text messages you receive and it has lots 
of high quality voices on it; its called the Lucia phone.

www.luciaphone.com

 

You should know that you can set your iPhone so that you do not have to enter 
your password for free apps, and as has been said, you do not have to use a 
passcode.

But, flat screen phones are not for everyone.

Best of luck,

Richard

 

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flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
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from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

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any." -- Alice Walker

 


On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

  Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
  gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
  learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
  idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
  Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
  it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
  my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
  article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
  On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
  most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
  spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
  that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
  -- 
  Joshua Hendrickson

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[Susie Stageberg]

Joshua,

I have a Logitech k380 Bluetooth keyboard that I use to type on the phone; I 
have not mastered typing on the phone itself. This keyboard cost me under $40 
at Amazon. It pairs with the phone without a hiccup. If you're still with us, I 
urge you not to throw in the towel. I had my phone for months before I stopped 
thinking of it as a tool of Satan! (grin)

Susie


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Esther Levegnale
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 4:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

hi, Joshua, you can buy a Bluetooth keyboard from Apple called the magic 
keyboard. I use that a lot. I find it much faster than typing on the phone 
keyboard it’s self. It’s too bad that you want to give the phone up, but you 
may find this keyboard much easier to use than typing on the screen. I don’t 
like typing on the screen either, because I’m a fast typist and I find that the 
keyboard helps me a lot. Please don’t get discouraged. Take care. Esther

Sent From Esther’s Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
> gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
> learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
> idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
> Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
> it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
> my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
> article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
> On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
> most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
> spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
> that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
> -- 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> 
> Joshua Hendrickson
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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Gerardo Corripio]

Josh and list
Hang in there! I was like you back July of 2012 when I got my very first 
iPhone, a 3 GS. I got it on a Thursday, and I’d planned to go to the AT store 
for a refund. However by that Sunday, thanks to EMail lists, I was getting the 
hang of things. Now almost 7 years later, it has been a life-changing 
experience, especially in my independence. Knowing you, in no time you’ll get 
the hang of it, and help others. Give it a bit more time. It’s definitely a 
learning curve involved. Good luck! We’re here for you in this adventure!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 9 jun 2019, a la(s) 11:42 a. m., Sieghard Weitzel  
escribió:

> It’s a bit funny, but when I went to the top of the page and then tabbed Jaws 
> said “dialogue” and then tabbing to the USA button (it only has Europ or USA) 
> worked. You can try this link, it may get you past it:
>  
> Lucia Phone
>  
> Seems like this is not yet available because it says “coming soon”. No 
> pricing is given and here is my two cents worth:
> Unless somebody can’t use a touch screen phone like the iPhone because of 
> multiple disabilities, maybe motor skill issues which despite the 
> accommodations the iPhone has can’t be overcome, going back to a phone like 
> this Lucia to me is sort of like going back from a modern PC to using a 
> typewriter. As many pointed out, you have to learn the concepts and gestures 
> for the iPhone, but Larry and Carolyn are only two examples of people in 
> their 70’s and I think Carolyn is already 80, who apparently successfully 
> managed to learn how to use the iPhone with Voiceover. Giving up after a day 
> or two is not advisable.
>  
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie 
> N.
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:18 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list
>  
> I went to this web site with both Chrome and FireFox using Jaws on a Win 10 
> computer and can’t get past the “select region”. Interesting?
>  
>  
> From: Richard Turner
> Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list
>  
> Joshua,
> There is a new flip phone that talks, reads missed calls, you can text the 
> old fashioned way, and it will read the text messages you receive and it has 
> lots of high quality voices on it; its called the Lucia phone.
> www.luciaphone.com
>  
> You should know that you can set your iPhone so that you do not have to enter 
> your password for free apps, and as has been said, you do not have to use a 
> passcode.
> But, flat screen phones are not for everyone.
> Best of luck,
> Richard
>  
> 
> Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com
> “The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack 
> lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas 
> Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59
>  
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
>  
> 
> On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
> gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
> learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
> idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
> Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
> it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
> my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
> article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
> On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
> most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
> spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
> that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
> -- 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> 
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[Sieghard Weitzel]

It’s a bit funny, but when I went to the top of the page and then tabbed Jaws 
said “dialogue” and then tabbing to the USA button (it only has Europ or USA) 
worked. You can try this link, it may get you past it:

Lucia Phone<http://www.luciaphone.com/>

Seems like this is not yet available because it says “coming soon”. No pricing 
is given and here is my two cents worth:
Unless somebody can’t use a touch screen phone like the iPhone because of 
multiple disabilities, maybe motor skill issues which despite the 
accommodations the iPhone has can’t be overcome, going back to a phone like 
this Lucia to me is sort of like going back from a modern PC to using a 
typewriter. As many pointed out, you have to learn the concepts and gestures 
for the iPhone, but Larry and Carolyn are only two examples of people in their 
70’s and I think Carolyn is already 80, who apparently successfully managed to 
learn how to use the iPhone with Voiceover. Giving up after a day or two is not 
advisable.

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Marie N.
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:18 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

I went to this web site with both Chrome and FireFox using Jaws on a Win 10 
computer and can’t get past the “select region”. Interesting?


From: Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

Joshua,
There is a new flip phone that talks, reads missed calls, you can text the old 
fashioned way, and it will read the text messages you receive and it has lots 
of high quality voices on it; its called the Lucia phone.
www.luciaphone.com<http://www.luciaphone.com>

You should know that you can set your iPhone so that you do not have to enter 
your password for free apps, and as has been said, you do not have to use a 
passcode.
But, flat screen phones are not for everyone.
Best of luck,
Richard

Check out my web site at: 
www.turner42.com<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com=02%7C01%7C%7C633c05971fbe4621637e08d6bb714c96%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636902492616129219=9qG6zwn2QJ9Xe5fJyao6MewzLG36u7TAieLK72Tg19c%3D=0>
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flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies 
in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, 
from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker



On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

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[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Jewel,

I am sorry to say this, but if you know your password for your Apple Id and 
enter it correctly it will not refuse it; if it does you either enter it 
incorrectly or remember it incorrectly and all it takes is to capitalize one 
single letter or not capitalize it whatever the case may be.
If you can't successfully enter your Apple Id password you may want to reset it 
because sooner or later you will need this password. As you said, you might 
want to buy a certain app or maybe in a year or two you get a new iPhone, but 
it is extremely likely you will at some point need it. ?As fir being prompted 
for it and being annoyed by it that is also one reason to get this resolved. If 
you did enter it correctly once it will stop doing this, but if you continue to 
say "Not now" then it won't.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jewel
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 10:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

Joshua!  I am not tethered to my iPhone as many others seem to be, and, only 
use it for playing one or two games and reading audio books that I download 
from the library, but I do empathise with you re your frustrations.
Regarding the repeated request/demands that we enter our Apple password when 
there is not the least reason for us having to do so;  in many cases, you can 
just one finger double tap on "Not now"  and you can go on doing whatever you 
were doing!
However, like you, I cannot download any apps from the store as it refuses, 
point blank, to accept my password which, to the very best of my knowledge, is 
100% correct.

   Jewel
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To: 
Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

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I went to this web site with both Chrome and FireFox using Jaws on a Win 10 
computer and can’t get past the “select region”. Interesting?


From: Richard Turner 
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 9:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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Joshua, 
There is a new flip phone that talks, reads missed calls, you can text the old 
fashioned way, and it will read the text messages you receive and it has lots 
of high quality voices on it; its called the Lucia phone.
www.luciaphone.com

You should know that you can set your iPhone so that you do not have to enter 
your password for free apps, and as has been said, you do not have to use a 
passcode.
But, flat screen phones are not for everyone.
Best of luck,
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On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:


  Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
  gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
  learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
  idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
  Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
  it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
  my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
  article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
  On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
  most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
  spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
  that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
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[Dave]

Also, there is voiceover practise mode, which will help, with getting use to 
gestures.


Dave.


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Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 3:17 PM
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Joshua,

It is always painful & frustrating to learn new things.  Based on how good 
you are with the Victor I know you will get more comfortable with the IPhone 
too.  You do not have to type everything.  For texts, you can just use Siri. 
Activate Siri & just say send message to name of someone or even a phone 
number.  She will ask what you want to say and when you are done she will 
read the message back to you & ask if you are ready to send.


When you do need to type something, there is a dictation button to the left 
of the space bar.  When you touch it Siri says double tap to start dictation 
then 2 finger double tap when done.


And as others have said, turning on touch typing does make typing much 
easier.  You just lift your finger when you hear the letter you want.  You 
will get faster at landing on the right letter right away.  There is a 
delete button at the bottom right if you make a mistake.


I was going to give you directions on how to change typing to touch but 
couldn't find it just now.  I did this too long ago to remember how. 
Hopefully someone will chime in with detailed instructions on where this 
setting is.


Good luck.  I predict you will be helping others with their IPhones within a 
year!

Sherry Wells

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Matthew Bullis

Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 12:27 AM
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Hi, as a technology teacher, I have to say give the iphone experience a few 
weeks to a month. Check out the basics podcasts on Applevis, or maybe 
someone can be a mentor for you. It takes a few weeks to get in the mindset 
of the iphone. If you're a braille writer, then eventually you will enjoy 
braille screen input instead of the screen keyboard. You can set the typing 
mode to touch tyling so you lift up on the letter you want. Give the iphone 
some more time. You'll not regret it.

Matthew



On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten 
an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to 
type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to 
type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid 
pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read 
about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of 
my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost 
$1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and 
it has a real keyboard on it.

--
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[Russ Kiehne]

And I would add to that, he should get a tactel screen protector for his 
iphone.


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From: Alan Lemly

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Joshua,

I strongly encourage you to give your iPhone more time. These devices have 
quite a steep learning curve and require a great deal of practice. It is 
very easy to become extremely frustrated because the on screen keyboard is 
not at all intuitive for someone with a visual impairment and it seems at 
first as if every screen wants some sort of keyboard input. You should 
invest some time practicing on screen input and make sure you understand the 
different typing styles. I'd recommend you set touch typing where you slide 
your finger over the keys and when you hear the one you want, you lift your 
finger and it's input. You will be able to do so much more with an iPhone 
than with any old style flip phone and iPhones are here to stay. I hope 
you'll practice some before throwing in the towel.


Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

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Joshua,

It is always painful & frustrating to learn new things.  Based on how good you 
are with the Victor I know you will get more comfortable with the IPhone too.  
You do not have to type everything.  For texts, you can just use Siri.  
Activate Siri & just say send message to name of someone or even a phone 
number.  She will ask what you want to say and when you are done she will read 
the message back to you & ask if you are ready to send.  

When you do need to type something, there is a dictation button to the left of 
the space bar.  When you touch it Siri says double tap to start dictation then 
2 finger double tap when done.  

And as others have said, turning on touch typing does make typing much easier.  
You just lift your finger when you hear the letter you want.  You will get 
faster at landing on the right letter right away.  There is a delete button at 
the bottom right if you make a mistake.

I was going to give you directions on how to change typing to touch but 
couldn't find it just now.  I did this too long ago to remember how.  Hopefully 
someone will chime in with detailed instructions on where this setting is.

Good luck.  I predict you will be helping others with their IPhones within a 
year!
Sherry Wells

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Matthew 
Bullis
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 12:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

Hi, as a technology teacher, I have to say give the iphone experience a few 
weeks to a month. Check out the basics podcasts on Applevis, or maybe someone 
can be a mentor for you. It takes a few weeks to get in the mindset of the 
iphone. If you're a braille writer, then eventually you will enjoy braille 
screen input instead of the screen keyboard. You can set the typing mode to 
touch tyling so you lift up on the letter you want. Give the iphone some more 
time. You'll not regret it.
Matthew



On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

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[Bonnie Blose]

I understand how Josh feels. I have an iPhone and don't use it nearly as much 
as I could. I looked in to whether Ohio had any programs to help people learn 
to use them and didn't find any. Unfortunately, even if they do have them 
somewhere, I live in a very rural area so I am out of luck. 

I kept mine and use it for what I can. I don't have the money to pay for 
lessons and am shy about working with people with technology. Although I have 
gotten over a lot of this, I am so afraid I will look like an idiot I have 
never looked in to doing this. 

I don't think Josh should give up so soon. He has family members who can help 
not so much with learning but getting him out of a scrape which I don't have 
because I live alone. With all we have heard about the iPhone, the one thing we 
all know is that it has a flat screen so should anticipate a huge learning 
curve. 

Bonnie Blose, 

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Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2019 11:51 PM
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Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
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[Janet Bell]

you have to go dow the email until you find unsubscribe or send an email 
with unsubscribe in the subject line.


-Original Message- 
From: PaPaC.

Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 12:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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delete me please un subscribe me please

On 6/9/19, Dave  wrote:
May sound like a daft question. But why did you join an iPhone list, if 
you


have no interest in getting one?

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: PaPaC.
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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unscribe me from this users list. please I don't have a I phone I will
never get one I don't no how to youse one delete me frome from this
user list please I have 2girls Obianuju and Miracle as of may5 2019.
please delete me from this email list have a nice day thanks so much

On 6/9/19, alia robinson  wrote:

not a very good attitude. I cannot believe you are already giving up.
it’s
not even been a week yet.

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Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
--
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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Alan Lemly]

Joshua,

I strongly encourage you to give your iPhone more time. These devices have 
quite a steep learning curve and require a great deal of practice. It is very 
easy to become extremely frustrated because the on screen keyboard is not at 
all intuitive for someone with a visual impairment and it seems at first as if 
every screen wants some sort of keyboard input. You should invest some time 
practicing on screen input and make sure you understand the different typing 
styles. I'd recommend you set touch typing where you slide your finger over the 
keys and when you hear the one you want, you lift your finger and it's input. 
You will be able to do so much more with an iPhone than with any old style flip 
phone and iPhones are here to stay. I hope you'll practice some before throwing 
in the towel.

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
> gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
> learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
> idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
> Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
> it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
> my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
> article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
> On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
> most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
> spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
> that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
> -- 
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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[lenron brown]

It didn't even take him a day or two before he was ready to give up.
If you take it one day at a time and learn bit by bit it's easy. What
do I know It only took me a few hours before I was using my IPhone
pretty well. My first touch screen was a galaxy s3 it had no keboard
for me to fall back on and I did quite well after a day of use. I know
everyone doesn't catch on that fast but come on giving up like that is
not  the way to go.

On 6/9/19, Dave  wrote:
> I can't remove you, as i don't own the list.
>
> But if you take the time, to read to the end of each post, you will find the
>
> unsubscribe link. So, do it yourself.
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PaPaC.
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 12:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list
>
> delete me please un subscribe me please
>
> On 6/9/19, Dave  wrote:
>> May sound like a daft question. But why did you join an iPhone list, if
>> you
>>
>> have no interest in getting one?
>>
>> Dave.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: PaPaC.
>> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 12:15 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list
>>
>> unscribe me from this users list. please I don't have a I phone I will
>> never get one I don't no how to youse one delete me frome from this
>> user list please I have 2girls Obianuju and Miracle as of may5 2019.
>> please delete me from this email list have a nice day thanks so much
>>
>> On 6/9/19, alia robinson  wrote:
>>> not a very good attitude. I cannot believe you are already giving up.
>>> it’s
>>> not even been a week yet.
>>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
>>> gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
>>> learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
>>> idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
>>> Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
>>> it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
>>> my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
>>> article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
>>> On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
>>> most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
>>> spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
>>> that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
>>> --
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>>>
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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Dave]

I can't remove you, as i don't own the list.

But if you take the time, to read to the end of each post, you will find the 
unsubscribe link. So, do it yourself.


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: PaPaC.

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 12:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

delete me please un subscribe me please

On 6/9/19, Dave  wrote:
May sound like a daft question. But why did you join an iPhone list, if 
you


have no interest in getting one?

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: PaPaC.
Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

unscribe me from this users list. please I don't have a I phone I will
never get one I don't no how to youse one delete me frome from this
user list please I have 2girls Obianuju and Miracle as of may5 2019.
please delete me from this email list have a nice day thanks so much

On 6/9/19, alia robinson  wrote:

not a very good attitude. I cannot believe you are already giving up.
it’s
not even been a week yet.

On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

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[PaPaC.]

delete me please un subscribe me please

On 6/9/19, Dave  wrote:
> May sound like a daft question. But why did you join an iPhone list, if you
>
> have no interest in getting one?
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: PaPaC.
> Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 12:15 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list
>
> unscribe me from this users list. please I don't have a I phone I will
> never get one I don't no how to youse one delete me frome from this
> user list please I have 2girls Obianuju and Miracle as of may5 2019.
> please delete me from this email list have a nice day thanks so much
>
> On 6/9/19, alia robinson  wrote:
>> not a very good attitude. I cannot believe you are already giving up.
>> it’s
>> not even been a week yet.
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
>> gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
>> learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
>> idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
>> Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
>> it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
>> my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
>> article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
>> On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
>> most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
>> spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
>> that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
>> --
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>
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[Dave]

May sound like a daft question. But why did you join an iPhone list, if you 
have no interest in getting one?


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: PaPaC.

Sent: Sunday, June 09, 2019 12:15 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how do I unsub from this list

unscribe me from this users list. please I don't have a I phone I will
never get one I don't no how to youse one delete me frome from this
user list please I have 2girls Obianuju and Miracle as of may5 2019.
please delete me from this email list have a nice day thanks so much

On 6/9/19, alia robinson  wrote:

not a very good attitude. I cannot believe you are already giving up. it’s
not even been a week yet.

On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
--
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RE: how do I unsub from this list

[Larry Lumpkin]

Josh, as a 72-year-old user, it took me several years to become as familiar 
with I devices as I am. I by no means know every feature and how to use them 
but I get done what I need done. I think flip phones are transitory and will 
probably not be around much longer and if you can master the iphone, you will 
have at your command much more functionality and be  much more independent. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have gotten an 
iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to learn how to type 
on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the idea of having to type in my 
apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn it on 
and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in my stupid pass 
code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that article I read about 
seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and most of my 
money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I spent almost $1000.  I 
could have bought a great desktop computer for that much money and it has a 
real keyboard on it.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[PaPaC.]

unscribe me from this users list. please I don't have a I phone I will
never get one I don't no how to youse one delete me frome from this
user list please I have 2girls Obianuju and Miracle as of may5 2019.
please delete me from this email list have a nice day thanks so much

On 6/9/19, alia robinson  wrote:
> not a very good attitude. I cannot believe you are already giving up. it’s
> not even been a week yet.
>
> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
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> Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
> gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
> learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
> idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
> Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
> it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
> my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
> article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
> On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
> most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
> spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
> that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
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> Joshua Hendrickson
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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[alia robinson]

not a very good attitude. I cannot believe you are already giving up. it’s not 
even been a week yet.

On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Esther Levegnale]

hi, Joshua, you can buy a Bluetooth keyboard from Apple called the magic 
keyboard. I use that a lot. I find it much faster than typing on the phone 
keyboard it’s self. It’s too bad that you want to give the phone up, but you 
may find this keyboard much easier to use than typing on the screen. I don’t 
like typing on the screen either, because I’m a fast typist and I find that the 
keyboard helps me a lot. Please don’t get discouraged. Take care. Esther

Sent From Esther’s Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!

> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
> gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
> learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
> idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
> Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
> it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
> my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
> article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
> On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
> most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
> spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
> that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
> -- 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> 
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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Dave]

Hi Joshua. If you are still on the list. I would be more than happy to help 
you, in any way i can, with your iPhone.


It does take a bit of time, and practise, to get used to the phone, but it 
is well worth it.


When i got my first iPhone, a good few years ago, i was like yourself, 
rather scared and frustrated.


A lot of the things, you are having problems with, can be made easier.

If you want some one on one help, then please feel free to contact me off 
list.


Dave.


-Original Message- 
From: Joshua Hendrickson

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson

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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Jewel]

Joshua!  I am not tethered to my iPhone as many others seem to be, and, only 
use it for playing one 
or two games and reading audio books that I download from the library, but I do 
empathise with you 
re your frustrations.
Regarding the repeated request/demands that we enter our Apple password when 
there is not the least 
reason for us having to do so;  in many cases, you can just one finger double 
tap on "Not now"  and 
you can go on doing whatever you were doing!
However, like you, I cannot download any apps from the store as it refuses, 
point blank, to accept 
my password which, to the very best of my knowledge, is 100% correct.

   Jewel
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To: 
Subject: how do I unsub from this list

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Richard Turner]

Joshua,
There is a new flip phone that talks, reads missed calls, you can text the old 
fashioned way, and it will read the text messages you receive and it has lots 
of high quality voices on it; its called the Lucia phone.
www.luciaphone.com

You should know that you can set your iPhone so that you do not have to enter 
your password for free apps, and as has been said, you do not have to use a 
passcode.
But, flat screen phones are not for everyone.
Best of luck,
Richard


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On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson 
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Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
--
Joshua Hendrickson

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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Holly]

Joshua:

You can set your phone so that you don't have to enter the passcode to 
unlock your phone.


Go into settings and swipe right until you find 'touch ID and passcode'. 

From there you can turn off your passcode.


Also, there are some small blue tooth keyboards that work well with the 
iPhone if you find it difficult to deal with the phone keyboard.


I would not give up so soon.  Give it some time.

We will be here to help  in any way we can. 


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Re: how do I unsub from this list

[Matthew Bullis]

Hi, as a technology teacher, I have to say give the iphone experience a few 
weeks to a month. Check out the basics podcasts on Applevis, or maybe someone 
can be a mentor for you. It takes a few weeks to get in the mindset of the 
iphone. If you're a braille writer, then eventually you will enjoy braille 
screen input instead of the screen keyboard. You can set the typing mode to 
touch tyling so you lift up on the letter you want. Give the iphone some more 
time. You'll not regret it.
Matthew



On Jun 8, 2019, at 8:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

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On 6/8/19 10:51 PM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote:

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.


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how do I unsub from this list

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Hi to all.  How do I unsubscribe from this list.  I never should have
gotten an iPhone in the first place.  I don't want to take the time to
learn how to type on the stupid keyboard on the screen.  I hate the
idea of having to type in my apple ID when I want to download an app.
Stupid security.  My flip phone was so much easier.  I could just turn
it on and it would power up and away I would go.  No having to type in
my stupid pass code to unlock my phone.  I never should have let that
article I read about seeing AI influence my decision to get an iPhone.
On Monday I'm contacting apple to see about getting it returned and
most of my money back.  With apple care and the cost of my phone, I
spent almost $1000.  I could have bought a great desktop computer for
that much money and it has a real keyboard on it.
-- 
Joshua Hendrickson

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