date:20130918

Hi all,

Here's an interesting article I just bumped into in regards to the new 
IOS7's Touch ID. The article concerns what touch id can and cannot deliver. 
See below for link to article URL:

Can Touch ID be hacked?
 Yes, fingerprint sensors have been around for at least two decades and have 
been hacked before. So, while Touch ID hasn't been hacked yet, that probably 
owes more to the device not being publicly available yet than anything else. 
As the iPhone 5S proliferates, expect creative and disturbing methods of 
hacking the fingerprint sensor to arise. Hopefully, would-be thieves won't 
start carrying cigar cutters around.

Does Touch ID use two-factor authentication?
 No. Touch ID is not considered two-factor authentication because there is 
no second authorization technique that's required to use it. It's possible 
that Apple could expand the feature in the future to include stronger 
security, but one of the appeals of Touch ID, like the Windows 8 picture 
login, is that it requires the security input only once.

There are still many questions that remain about Touch ID's implementation, 
including how people will use it and how developers will incorporate it. A 
big unknown for Apple's bottom line is whether businesses will consider this 
safer for the bring your own device movement, and demand that their 
employees have it. And it's not going to eliminate passwords -- at least, 
not on its own.

Apple is not the first major smartphone maker to incorporate a biometric 
sensor into a device. Motorola did it with the Atrix but it bombed.

 What we know about Apple's Touch ID (FAQ) | Apple - CNET News
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57602318-37/what-we-know-about-apples-touch-id-faq/

Joseph

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Re: Moderator's reminder about high list traffic, and what you can do to help everyone else

2013-09-18 Thread Arnold Schmidt

I have one more suggestion.  Unfortunately, I have not figured out how to do 
this on my iPhone, if indeed it is even possible.  On a pc, and I hope on a 
mac, turn off the feature that immediately sends mail when one hits send. 
Oftentimes, I have composed a message, only to realize later that somebody 
else has already written what I was going to send.  So, I delete my message 
from the out box before it gets sent.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com

To: ViPhone List viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 11:50 PM
Subject: Moderator's reminder about high list traffic, and what you can do 
to help everyone else



Hello all. Please remember that this list is already high traffic. So, if 
we all do our part to help minimize the extra messages, it will make 
everything better for you, and for everyone else. Below are a few things 
which have been popping up as of late and which need to stop. I hate 
playing bad guy here, but consider this a public warning. If these types 
of messages continue from certain individuals, you will be written to 
privately and you will be moderated.


1. Keep discussions on this list to iOS or iDevices. This means that 
discussion of apps, accessibility of apps, recommendations for apps, dos 
and don'ts of apps and iOS howtos and all that is more than welcome. 
Continuing to discuss the Android is not welcome. Remember this is a list 
for the discussion of the iPhone and the related devices using the iOS 
platform.


2. Thank you and other one liner messages. I keep bringing this up, but 
I'll remind you again, please keep the one liner messages which don't add 
to the list, such as thank you, or such as oh I'm sorry for my last 
message off this list. If you accidentally sent a message to the list, or 
you figured the answer to a question, don't post yet another message to 
say you are sorry or that you figured it out. Chances are in the first 
example that you will be ignored, and in the second, that people who don't 
read all messages first will answer your question anyway. Then when they 
see your never mind message, some might write to say OK, and now we have 
yet more useless messages.



3. Hijacking threads. Please do not hijack a thread. If you don't know 
what this is, please visit Google.com and look it up. Basically though, if 
you want to start a new conversation by using the reply button or hot key, 
don't. Just start a new message with the New button or hot key.


4. Read ahead. It might pay well if you read ahead a little. Especially 
when a new iOS version comes out. If you have questions, most likely 
someone else will have the same question as you. So wait and see if it's 
already been answered. Second, if you are a person who likes answering 
questions, chances are that someone else already did, so wait and see if 
that's true. This will be one of the biggest items that will help the list 
traffic.


5. Does anyone even read these any more? If you are reading this far, 
please know that you have my sincerest gratitude. I realize that this 
message doesn't apply to all people, but unfortunately there are always a 
few bad apples, and sometimes just a few naive apples. I personally feel 
that people don't intentionally go out of their way to make a moderator's 
job harder. I like to think that most of us are well-intentioned.


So, as Bon Jovi sings, Have a Nice Day.

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Re: Moderator's reminder about high list traffic, and what you can do to help everyone else

2013-09-18 Thread Arnold Schmidt

Perhaps you could include a line such as thanks in advance for any answers 
in your original message.  I oftentimes do this if it applies.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: Bill Gallik wfgal...@charter.net

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: Moderator's reminder about high list traffic, and what you can 
do to help everyone else

Raul,

I personally make a concerted effort to abide by the guidelines you've 
posted in this thread.  But (sure, you just knew there was going to be a 
but, right), one issue here is -- I believe -- subject to mitigating 
circumstances.  In the case of to send or not to send a thank you post, 
allow me to explain; there have been several times when I would post a 
question regarding a iOS how to or asking about some type of 
supplemental component for an iDevice.  Upon realizing that all sorts of 
answers are forthcoming from this very helpful group, I must confess to 
being guilty of sending a Thank You to this list.  The reason I would do 
this is to hopefully shut off the stream of helpful answers.

I in no way mean to appear disrespectful of your request and, in fact, 
soundly agree with your position.  It's just that I believe there are 
exceptions when violating the rules is actually supporting the rules.

Just thought I would throw this thought out there and see what you think.

Thanks for the job you do so very well!

Holland's Boy, Bill
- To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors 
and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.

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Re: Moderator's reminder about high list traffic, and what you can do to help everyone else

2013-09-18 Thread Raul A. Gallegos

Hello Bill and others concerned. Bill, you do have a good point and I 
totally understand where you are coming from and for the record, it's 
not disrespectful to point out something like this. In an ideal world 
that would work perfectly, however in my experience most people don't 
read the new batch of messages they get first before replying. So what 
ends up happening is that let's say that you send off the thank you 
message, that would tell me, topic closed, you got the answer, all good. 
However if me, or someone else doesn't see that right away and as soon 
as they get to your initial message, before the thank you messages, they 
might reply, and then when they come to your message, they will see it 
wasn't necessary, or they might think, he's thanking me because I 
responded. I probably sound cynical, but after more than 15 years of 
maintaining mailing lists of various topics and different sizes, some 
from as little as 5 people and some even larger than 3000 people, you 
tend to look at things from a much wider point of view.


If it was me, I would gamble that even if you send the thank you message 
to indicate stop, chances are, the thread will continue several messages 
more. One thing though, which I know happens, and there is no avoiding a 
one line answer, is when the answer to a question is simply yes or no, 
or something equally short. Things like that are acceptable. I don't 
expect someone to write an essay just to say yes and avoid a one liner 
message. Question: Is iOS 7 coming out today? Answer: Yes.


One thing which I highly recommend is the following mailing list story. 
It's funny, but sadly, true.


http://users.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/listbulb.html
I hope this helps you, and anyone else interested in this.



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On 9/18/2013 4:57 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:

Raul,

I personally make a concerted effort to abide by the guidelines you've
posted in this thread.  But (sure, you just knew there was going to be a
but, right), one issue here is -- I believe -- subject to mitigating
circumstances.  In the case of to send or not to send a thank you
post, allow me to explain; there have been several times when I would
post a question regarding a iOS how to or asking about some type of
supplemental component for an iDevice.  Upon realizing that all sorts of
answers are forthcoming from this very helpful group, I must confess to
being guilty of sending a Thank You to this list.  The reason I would
do this is to hopefully shut off the stream of helpful answers.

I in no way mean to appear disrespectful of your request and, in fact,
soundly agree with your position.  It's just that I believe there are
exceptions when violating the rules is actually supporting the rules.

Just thought I would throw this thought out there and see what you think.

Thanks for the job you do so very well!

Holland's Boy, Bill
- To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors
and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
- Plutarch, Greek Philosopher, Priest  Biographer, AD 46-120


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Re: Moderator's reminder about high list traffic, and what you can do to help everyone else

2013-09-18 Thread SSEric

But Raul, in your example, would it really be so much trouble for the 
respondent to write Yes, IOS 7 is coming out today. Otherwise, one must read 
past all the headers to get to the question.

Eric 

On Sep 18, 2013, at 6:47 AM, Raul A. Gallegos r...@raulgallegos.com wrote:

Hello Bill and others concerned. Bill, you do have a good point and I totally 
understand where you are coming from and for the record, it's not disrespectful 
to point out something like this. In an ideal world that would work perfectly, 
however in my experience most people don't read the new batch of messages they 
get first before replying. So what ends up happening is that let's say that you 
send off the thank you message, that would tell me, topic closed, you got the 
answer, all good. However if me, or someone else doesn't see that right away 
and as soon as they get to your initial message, before the thank you messages, 
they might reply, and then when they come to your message, they will see it 
wasn't necessary, or they might think, he's thanking me because I responded. I 
probably sound cynical, but after more than 15 years of maintaining mailing 
lists of various topics and different sizes, some from as little as 5 people 
and some even larger than 3000 people, you tend to look at things from a much 
wider point of view.

If it was me, I would gamble that even if you send the thank you message to 
indicate stop, chances are, the thread will continue several messages more. One 
thing though, which I know happens, and there is no avoiding a one line answer, 
is when the answer to a question is simply yes or no, or something equally 
short. Things like that are acceptable. I don't expect someone to write an 
essay just to say yes and avoid a one liner message. Question: Is iOS 7 coming 
out today? Answer: Yes.

One thing which I highly recommend is the following mailing list story. It's 
funny, but sadly, true.

http://users.rider.edu/~suler/psycyber/listbulb.html
I hope this helps you, and anyone else interested in this.



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Bazinga! - Sheldon Cooper
Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47

On 9/18/2013 4:57 AM, Bill Gallik wrote:
 Raul,
 
 I personally make a concerted effort to abide by the guidelines you've
 posted in this thread.  But (sure, you just knew there was going to be a
 but, right), one issue here is -- I believe -- subject to mitigating
 circumstances.  In the case of to send or not to send a thank you
 post, allow me to explain; there have been several times when I would
 post a question regarding a iOS how to or asking about some type of
 supplemental component for an iDevice.  Upon realizing that all sorts of
 answers are forthcoming from this very helpful group, I must confess to
 being guilty of sending a Thank You to this list.  The reason I would
 do this is to hopefully shut off the stream of helpful answers.
 
 I in no way mean to appear disrespectful of your request and, in fact,
 soundly agree with your position.  It's just that I believe there are
 exceptions when violating the rules is actually supporting the rules.
 
 Just thought I would throw this thought out there and see what you think.
 
 Thanks for the job you do so very well!
 
 Holland's Boy, Bill
 - To make no mistakes is not in the power of man; but from their errors
 and mistakes the wise and good learn wisdom for the future.
 - Plutarch, Greek Philosopher, Priest  Biographer, AD 46-120

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Re: NoteMaster?

2013-09-18 Thread RobH.

Got that far,  couldn't get out of the title to add anything to the note 
area. I looked at the samples in the categories,  and they're in loads of 
separate text input fields;  so how did they do that?

Ta, R.
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From: Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: NoteMaster?

Hello Rob,

CHRIS is correct that you need to tap on new note. Once this screen opens, 
there will be 2 edit fields. The first one is to place a title in for your 
note. Under that, there will be another text field. That's where you will 
place the note. Also in settings, you can change the font type face and 
size. My font is set to Ariel at 12 pt. HTH.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2013, at 2:14 PM, Chris H christopher...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ok to add a note double tap new note.

 On 17/09/2013 21:25, RobH. wrote:
 Anybody having much luck or look with this?   Can't find help and not
 getting far with it either.  Looks simple,  get around it Ok, but not got 
 to
 edit or add to a note sensibly yet.

 Thanks, RobH.

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Attention Sonos owners important regarding IOS 7:

2013-09-18 Thread Don Breda

Even though I own a Sonos system which is registered  i haven't received
this email from them but a friend did.

I put out the message on this list in case other sonos owners haven't
seen it either.

This came from Sonos.

I am somewhat disappointed in them since they had plenty of time to deal
with this but read on.


Subject: Important Sonos update for iOS 7
IMPORTANT SONOS UPDATE FOR iOS 7
Image
We aim to provide our customers with the best Controller and software experience
possible. Unfortunately, we have encountered some issues related to the Sonos 
Controller
for iPhone and iPad and the final, released version of iOS 7.
We are planning to release an update for your Sonos Controller for iPhone and 
iPad
near the end of the month that addresses these issues. We ask that you take this
into consideration before updating your devices to iOS 7.
If you already updated your device to iOS 7 expect potential challenges. While 
setting
up Sonos, a new Sonos component or when discarding your alarm the app could 
close
unexpectedly. Text might not be displayed fully on your iPad screen and there 
might
be a minor user interface issue with your play/pause button.
Sonos
© 2004-2013 by Sonos Inc. All rights reserved. Sonos is a registered trademark 
of
Sonos, Inc. in the United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Benelux (Belgium, 
Luxembourg
and The Netherlands), Japan, Mexico, Germany, Russia, Australia, Italy, Norway 
and
Sweden, and a trademark of Sonos, Inc. in other countries. All other products 
and
services may be trademarks or servicemarks of their respective owners.
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Re: Warning for Voice Dream Reader users from the developer's FaceBook page

2013-09-18 Thread Harry Bell

I have the latest update: After latest update, I just got message No Available 
Voice when trying to get app to read out text. I went to Settings--My Voices 
and discovered I had to re-download every purchased voice all over again. I 
tried tapping the Restore button but after being asked twice to enter Apple ID 
password, Nothing Happened!!!
Confusing
After re-downloading each purchased voice, the app works fine now. Phew!
Harry Bell

Sent from my iPhone

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Sep 2013, at 04:32, Wayne gmail ewaynebrum...@gmail.com wrote:

 Might want to double check the version.  I was getting that same message 
 shortly before I checked and found the new update available.  Downloaded the 
 new one and everything worked fin.  Didn’t lose any books either.
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Harry Bell
 Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:03 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Warning for Voice Dream Reader users from the developer's 
 FaceBook page
  
 I have downloaded the latest update and now when I want it to read text out 
 loud it tells me there is No Voice Available. Am I missing something?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 Well, the app store came through, the Voice Dream Reader update for version 
 2.8.3 which takes care of the iOS 7 issue, Is in the app store, so no worries 
 about upgrading your devices.
  
  
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system access

2013-09-18 Thread buddy liverman

could someone tell me how to put satogo email on my Iphone i know you 
c't install the system access program on an email account do you use 
your pen and login info thanks Buddy.


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Re: does Itunes automatically back up your IPhone?can you sync with more than one computer?

2013-09-18 Thread Debby Chuck

Apple gives you 5GB of free iCloud storage, which can quickly add up when 
you are syncing photos, 
videos, and documents, and even more so when you are sharing multiple 
devices with your iCloud account.
So I usually make the backup myself. 
Details instructions: 
http://backup-iphone-data-recovery.blogspot.com/2013/09/back-up-your-iphone.html

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Re: updating iPhones over the air or using a computer

2013-09-18 Thread Rakshit Dambhare

Well, over the air update has one advantage that is, It only downloads the 
changes that are made in the new OS. Which means  less size, in less time.

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Re: Moderator's reminder about high list traffic, and what you can do to help everyone else

2013-09-18 Thread Raul A. Gallegos

Hi, sorry I don't follow. I'm not talking about top posting vs bottom 
posting. If the answer is yes, then just write yes. Most people reply at 
the top of the message so no extra header reading is necessary. I hope 
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On 9/18/2013 6:01 AM, SSEric wrote:

But Raul, in your example, would it really be so much trouble for the respondent to write 
Yes, IOS 7 is coming out today. Otherwise, one must read past all the headers 
to get to the question.

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Re: IS NFB Newsline Ready For IOS7

2013-09-18 Thread DJ Reese

Hi:

Our local cooperating library is letting us view the new bard app this 
Saturday so I'll tell you what I think after that.  I'm sure since its being 
rolled out after the IOS 7 update, its already been tested on that system.

DJ Reese

- Original Message - Hi,

Does anyone know if the NFB Newsline app is ready for IOS7?

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Re: Navigon Hawaii

Thanks! It seems rather wasteful that I have to spend 60 bucks just for Hawaii! 
It should've been included in one of the regional areas. Also I have a HUD a 
lot of negative reviews about the new versions of Navigon. Are they correct? Do 
they not upload properly? I don't maps not correct? A lot of negative reviews 
are present In the App Store. What is your opinion?  
(Voice Converted to Text via iPhone;Excuse typos) 

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Re: IS NFB Newsline Ready For IOS7

2013-09-18 Thread Daniel Miller

Hi,
I don't mean to put a damper, but what is the subject have to do with the bard 
app?
As far as the news line app is concerned, I'm sure an update will be out soon. 

Sent from my iPhone

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 Hi:
 
 Our local cooperating library is letting us view the new bard app this 
 Saturday so I'll tell you what I think after that.  I'm sure since its being 
 rolled out after the IOS 7 update, its already been tested on that system.
 
 DJ Reese
 
 - Original Message - Hi,
 
 Does anyone know if the NFB Newsline app is ready for IOS7?
 
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[Maccessibility] Review - iOS 7 and VoiceOver

2013-09-18 Thread Maccessibility

Title: [Maccessibility] Review - iOS 7 and VoiceOver
Maccessibility has posted a new item, 'Review - iOS 7 and VoiceOver'

As is our custom, we are going to highlight some of the changes to VoiceOver and accessibility in iOS 7 here. This is not intended to be an exhaustive list of the differences between versions 6 and 7, but rather a rundown of the most interesting things to expect in this update.

We assume, for the purposes of this look at iOS 7, that you are familiar with VoiceOver and how it works and behaves in previous versions of the operating system.

You may view the latest post at
http://maccessibility.net/2013/09/18/review-ios-7-and-voiceover/




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Re: Warning for Voice Dream Reader users from the developer's FaceBook page

2013-09-18 Thread Russ Kiehne

Likewise, after the upgrade, I had no problems.

-Original Message- 
From: Richard Turner

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Warning for Voice Dream Reader users from the developer's 
FaceBook page

I had no problems after updating.
I am not sure what would cause that to happen. Try writing the developer.

Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

On Sep 17, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com wrote:

I have downloaded the latest update and now when I want it to read text out 
loud it tells me there is No Voice Available. Am I missing something?

Sent from my iPhone

On 16 Sep 2013, at 23:45, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, the app store came through, the Voice Dream Reader update for version 
2.8.3 which takes care of the iOS 7 issue, Is in the app store, so no 
worries about upgrading your devices.

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Voice Dream Help With Voices and Bookshare

2013-09-18 Thread Eileens Misrahi

Hello folks,

When I read that Voice Dream would have problems with iOS 7, I decided to 
uninstall it. Now, I have some questions about the paid voices and Bookshare. 
When I reopened the app, I went through the setup process. In the past, I had 2 
additional voices. Do I go through the process and purchase them all over and 
tap on the buy button again? When I went into the add menu, Bookshare was not 
listed. I was fortunate when I first purchase this app that Bookshare was 
included. How do I get this back into the add menu without purchasing it again 
and where do I go to look for it? 

Thanks for your help.

Eileen


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Re: Voice Dream Help With Voices and Bookshare

2013-09-18 Thread Richard Turner

Hi,
Open Voice Dream and double tap on settings.
Flick until you get to BookShare and activate it with your login info.
Then, go to manage my voices and you should find a restore voices button, or 
something like that.
HTH,


Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

On Sep 18, 2013, at 6:24 AM, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello folks,
 
 When I read that Voice Dream would have problems with iOS 7, I decided to 
 uninstall it. Now, I have some questions about the paid voices and Bookshare. 
 When I reopened the app, I went through the setup process. In the past, I had 
 2 additional voices. Do I go through the process and purchase them all over 
 and tap on the buy button again? When I went into the add menu, Bookshare was 
 not listed. I was fortunate when I first purchase this app that Bookshare was 
 included. How do I get this back into the add menu without purchasing it 
 again and where do I go to look for it? 
 
 Thanks for your help.
 
 Eileen
 
 
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re: checkbook app for iphone

2013-09-18 Thread Tom Rash

I use an app called Balance.  For free you can use the app.  For purchase, you 
can balance more than one account.  Very good app.

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iPad sync and another IOS-7 question

2013-09-18 Thread Regina Alvarado

I will get my iPad shortly. How do I shift apps and folders over to the IPad? I 
have iCloud. Can I sync through the Cloud or should I sync through iTunes? 

Also on another subject, is there anything I will need to do on upgrade to 
IOS-7 to protect my READ to Go books and Kindle books? Being a techie is 
definitely a challlenge after all the years I could get help and did not have 
to worry about these things. Good thing is that I am learning, though 
(smiles) Thanks for the help from my heart.


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Re: Voice Dream Help With Voices and Bookshare

2013-09-18 Thread Eileens Misrahi

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the help. It worked just fine and I have the one voice that I added 
to  the app a while ago. Bookshare is now listed, but when I went back into my 
history, it was wiped clean. That's okay because there were only a handful of 
items in it. It's not a big deal to download them again. 

Thanks again.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2013, at 6:29 AM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 Open Voice Dream and double tap on settings.
 Flick until you get to BookShare and activate it with your login info.
 Then, go to manage my voices and you should find a restore voices button, or 
 something like that.
 HTH,
 
 
 Richard
 (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)
 
 On Sep 18, 2013, at 6:24 AM, Eileens Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello folks,
 
 When I read that Voice Dream would have problems with iOS 7, I decided to 
 uninstall it. Now, I have some questions about the paid voices and 
 Bookshare. When I reopened the app, I went through the setup process. In the 
 past, I had 2 additional voices. Do I go through the process and purchase 
 them all over and tap on the buy button again? When I went into the add 
 menu, Bookshare was not listed. I was fortunate when I first purchase this 
 app that Bookshare was included. How do I get this back into the add menu 
 without purchasing it again and where do I go to look for it? 
 
 Thanks for your help.
 
 Eileen
 
 
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Re: Is Downcast Ready For IOS7

2013-09-18 Thread Woody Anna Dresner

Hi Scott,

It should work fine.

Best,
Anna



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 Does anyone know if Downcast is ready for IOS7?
 Thanks,
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RE: Navigon Hawaii

2013-09-18 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Hi Avnish,

I have had no issues with the latest version of Navigon. However, keep in
mind that Navigon does have a bit of a learning curve. If you buy it and use
it for the first time when you are in the car in Hawaii and expect to be an
expert navigator then this will probably not happen. There are tutorials I
believe, unfortunately I am just starting my day and it's a busy and long
one so I can't find them for you right now.


Good luck,
Sieghard


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Navigon Hawaii

Thanks! It seems rather wasteful that I have to spend 60 bucks just for
Hawaii! It should've been included in one of the regional areas. Also I have
a HUD a lot of negative reviews about the new versions of Navigon. Are they
correct? Do they not upload properly? I don't maps not correct? A lot of
negative reviews are present In the App Store. What is your opinion?  
(Voice Converted to Text via iPhone;Excuse typos) 

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Voice Dream Question

2013-09-18 Thread Richard Ring

Greetings,
I wanted to start a book over in Voice Dream, but I could not find a way to do 
this. I finally used the percentage picker item and was able to go back to the 
beginning of the book. Am I missing something? There must be an easier way to 
do this!
Thanks for any help anyone can give!
 

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RE: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold in Solara Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game

2013-09-18 Thread Zoe Fiogkos

Hi everyone I really love this game. Once the wonderful developers added the
manage shops button, things are much easier.  When starting the game you
don't realize that the castle expantions will stop around the 30 level mark
from what I can see the castle is 12 by 24 when I got to this state I had to
delete a lot of little shops that were giving me small amounts of gold and
build the bigger ones.  That is the whole idea I think that you will destroy
smaller shops as you progress through the game to make room for the bigger
ones.  Some times you half to just camp out and accumulate gold so that you
can use at the later more expensive levels and believe me they get really
expensive both for building shops and training heros.  I have but esper to
help me along and to support the developers but you don't need to, you can
play the game all the way through with pretty good results.  My only beef
with this fantastic otherwise game is I feel the arena is very unfair.
I have a funny feeling that if you manage to win first place in the arena
more then two times no matter what you do it will not let you even get close
to first place.
I have one in the early stages twice and ever since then even if I up levels
during the week to be the same with other players, even if I change my hero
combinations, even if I battle castles with heros at least three levels down
from me a lot of the times I get a big fat defeat.  There have been times
where I did nothing no building no questing no nothing accept fight in the
arena we are talking about approx. 400 fights in a day and no results accept
for defeats. I think that's a little unfair because yes everyone should win
and have a chance but concoring a game with constant play compaired to
someone who may play only once a week makes the game sort of rigged lol,
don't get me wrong I'm not complaining as much as it sounds like I am just
sharing my observations.  I otherwise love the game and I can't wait for the
developers to come out with solara 2 or some other game.  I hope when I
reach level 50 there will be an option to restart the game, but I have no
idea I'm on level 40.
Anyhow sorry for the long message but just wanted to share my thoughts.
Regards
Zoe
 

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Subject: Re: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold in Solara
Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game

level 42? weren't they a Brittish rock band of the 1980s?

Andy


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold in Solara 
Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game

right at level 50 and 12 available untis and can't fill anhy of them.
at level 50.   i am collecting from 88 shops and some are useless.  i
cleared out a floor entirely and couldn't autoplace a shop.

there are some really nice shops once you get past level 42 etc.  enjoy!!!
At 08:39 PM 9/16/2013, you wrote:
I have 20 plus mil and I am lev 36 with all my characters fully trained.
I still have 70+ rooms in my castle to build though heh.

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Subject: Re: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold in Solara
Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game

there you go, i have seen folks with 30 mil goldAt 05:17 PM
9/16/2013, you wrote:
 Yeah.  I've slowed down to level up my heroes already.  I don't care
 how long it takes to finish.
 Cait
 
 On 2013-09-16, at 5:08 PM, Chris Chaffin cchaf...@twcny.rr.com wrote:
 
  
   Currently the game has 50 levels.
   As you climb in levels, it takes a little longer to go from level to
level.
   Upgrading your heroes will cost more, and it will take more
  experience points to get to the next level.
   So all of this just gradually takes a little longer as you go.
  
   Chris Chaffin
  
  
  
   -Original Message- From: Cait and Maggie
   Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:04 PM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold
  in Solara Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game
  
   I build new shops when I can, and try to pick ones that will
  yield a lot of gold.
  
   I'm only on level 15.  How many levels does the game have, anyway?
   Cait
  
   On 2013-09-16, at 5:02 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
wrote:
  
   Just wait and click on the collect gold from shops button
  frequently. I'm at level 35 myself, and I haven't adventured much
  lately, so I've just been stock piling the gold.
  
   You can also look through the level of your castle and see if
  you have any room or can

Re: Voice Dream Question

2013-09-18 Thread Richard Turner

Hi, 
The other way to get to the begining of a book is to use the bookmark button 
and select the first chapter, or preface, which ever you need.
HTH,

Richard
(Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)

On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings,
 I wanted to start a book over in Voice Dream, but I could not find a way to 
 do this. I finally used the percentage picker item and was able to go back to 
 the beginning of the book. Am I missing something? There must be an easier 
 way to do this!
 Thanks for any help anyone can give!
  
 
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Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Awesome! This sounds just awesome! I'm really looking forward to getting my 
hands on seven!! It's 9:15 AM. When will seven be available for download? I 
thought it would of the early morning today. (Voice Converted to Text via 
iPhone;Excuse typos)   

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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

I agree. ...I'm wondering, how will this handwriting feature determine when 
one is finished writing the current letter rather than a new letter? For 
example, when writing the upper case letter E one must lift finger off of 
screen to draw the 3 horizontal dashes. How will this handwriting feature 
know I'm not wanting to draw a new letter? Guess this is some 
experimentation worth looking forward to. Smile.

Joseph

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!


This is a neat feature since people won't be able to hear our
passwords any time we try to enter them.

On 9/18/13, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I was reading some of the content on the link provided in the following
 article, and I found the features of the new handwriting ability in IOS7
 simply amazing, and features I can't wait to try--especially when in noisy
 environments and the new password entry feature. Do yourself a favor and
 take a couple of minutes to read the details of what this feature can do 
 for

 you.
 Note: I've only pasted a small sample of what is in the link below, so 
 don't

 forget to click and read the entire article.

 Maccessibility » Review - iOS 7 and VoiceOver
 http://maccessibility.net/2013/09/18/review-ios-7-and-voiceover/

 The Pen Is Mightier Than the Keyboard

 With the popularity of apps like Fleksy and MBraille, it is clear that 
 some

 users find text entry on the software keyboard cumbersome or difficult,
 especially in certain situations. I must confess, I do not use either of
 these apps, as I have found my speed on the onscreen keyboard to be
 satisfactory, and use dictation when typing is inconvenient.

 That being said, Apple has provided a new feature to VoiceOver users that 
 is

 a pretty impressive alternative to typing your text entry. Tucked away,
 hidden at the bottom of the option rotor settings in VoiceOver's settings,
 is an option simply called Handwriting.

 When entering text, you can select Handwriting from the rotor, and then
 use the screen as a canvas to literally draw printed characters. By 
 default

 it starts in the category of lower case letters, but also includes
 recognition for uppercase letters, numbers, and punctuation.

 Simply draw a letter as it appears in printed form, and it is entered into
 the text field. Three-finger swipes up and down will change the category 
 of

 character type you are entering. A two-finger swipe right will input a
 space, and a two-finger swipe left will backspace.

 If you know the shapes of printed characters, a little practice will find
 you entering letters at a pretty good clip in this mode. Having already
 mastered a pretty speedy technique with keyboard entry on my iOS devices, 
 it

 has not yet overtaken my typing speed, but I can see where it might
 eventually, and certainly could for others who have trouble with keyboard
 entry. There are also occasions when typing is not optimal, such as in 
 noisy

 surroundings, and this would definitely be handy in those situations.

 The great thing about doing text entry in this way, is that it limits the
 learning curve for those who are already familiar with the shapes of 
 printed

 letters to almost zero. For those who are not, this is a great excuse to
 learn.

 You can also enter your pass code, if you keep one on your device, using 
 the

 handwriting feature, and it will even default to numbers for this purpose.

 The Handwriting feature has other uses and modes, too. If turned on while
 you're on the home screen, you can start writing letters on the screen, 
 and

 a list of apps beginning with those letters appears. Apps in this list can
 be anywhere on your device, and are not limited to those on the current
 screen or in the current folder. Use a two-finger swipe up or down to move
 through the list, and double-tap, as usual, to activate the app you want.
 Those who are familiar with the Item Chooser on Mac will find this
 functionality very familiar.

 When in web content, such as in Safari, Handwriting mode has yet another
 use. Write a letter corresponding to a rotor option, and VoiceOver 
 switches

 to that form of navigation. For example, writing H switches to Headings,
 and two-finger swipes up and down will move you through the headings on 
 the

 page. Draw an L, and now you are navigating links. This will be
 particularly nice for users who keep a lot of items in their rotor and 
 want

 a faster way to move through various HTML element types.

 The accuracy of the recognition of this mode is superb, and with just a
 little practice, many users are likely to find they enjoy this form of 
 text

 entry. Hats off to Apple for incorporating this in such a fluid and
 intuitive way.

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What's even more important about the handwriting, is that Apple is thinking and 
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RE: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold in Solara Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game

2013-09-18 Thread Jack Conti

no, winning has nothing to do with it.  i am at level 50 and have 
lost to 3 level 45 heroes. and next try beaten three 49 level 
heroes.  I can't figure it.  so i keep trying to at least be in the 
top 10 some week lol.

At 11:32 AM 9/18/2013, you wrote:

Hi everyone I really love this game. Once the wonderful developers added the
manage shops button, things are much easier.  When starting the game you
don't realize that the castle expantions will stop around the 30 level mark
from what I can see the castle is 12 by 24 when I got to this state I had to
delete a lot of little shops that were giving me small amounts of gold and
build the bigger ones.  That is the whole idea I think that you will destroy
smaller shops as you progress through the game to make room for the bigger
ones.  Some times you half to just camp out and accumulate gold so that you
can use at the later more expensive levels and believe me they get really
expensive both for building shops and training heros.  I have but esper to
help me along and to support the developers but you don't need to, you can
play the game all the way through with pretty good results.  My only beef
with this fantastic otherwise game is I feel the arena is very unfair.
I have a funny feeling that if you manage to win first place in the arena
more then two times no matter what you do it will not let you even get close
to first place.
I have one in the early stages twice and ever since then even if I up levels
during the week to be the same with other players, even if I change my hero
combinations, even if I battle castles with heros at least three levels down
from me a lot of the times I get a big fat defeat.  There have been times
where I did nothing no building no questing no nothing accept fight in the
arena we are talking about approx. 400 fights in a day and no results accept
for defeats. I think that's a little unfair because yes everyone should win
and have a chance but concoring a game with constant play compaired to
someone who may play only once a week makes the game sort of rigged lol,
don't get me wrong I'm not complaining as much as it sounds like I am just
sharing my observations.  I otherwise love the game and I can't wait for the
developers to come out with solara 2 or some other game.  I hope when I
reach level 50 there will be an option to restart the game, but I have no
idea I'm on level 40.
Anyhow sorry for the long message but just wanted to share my thoughts.
Regards
Zoe


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Of Andy Baracco
Sent: September-16-13 10:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold in Solara
Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game

level 42? weren't they a Brittish rock band of the 1980s?

Andy


-Original Message-
From: Jack Conti
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold in Solara
Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game

right at level 50 and 12 available untis and can't fill anhy of them.
at level 50.   i am collecting from 88 shops and some are useless.  i
cleared out a floor entirely and couldn't autoplace a shop.

there are some really nice shops once you get past level 42 etc.  enjoy!!!
At 08:39 PM 9/16/2013, you wrote:
I have 20 plus mil and I am lev 36 with all my characters fully trained.
I still have 70+ rooms in my castle to build though heh.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jack Conti
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 8:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold in Solara
Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game

there you go, i have seen folks with 30 mil goldAt 05:17 PM
9/16/2013, you wrote:
 Yeah.  I've slowed down to level up my heroes already.  I don't care
 how long it takes to finish.
 Cait
 
 On 2013-09-16, at 5:08 PM, Chris Chaffin cchaf...@twcny.rr.com wrote:
 
  
   Currently the game has 50 levels.
   As you climb in levels, it takes a little longer to go from level to
level.
   Upgrading your heroes will cost more, and it will take more
  experience points to get to the next level.
   So all of this just gradually takes a little longer as you go.
  
   Chris Chaffin
  
  
  
   -Original Message- From: Cait and Maggie
   Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:04 PM
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold
  in Solara Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game
  
   I build new shops when I can, and try to pick ones that will
  yield a lot of gold.
  
   I'm only on level 15.  How many levels does the game have, anyway?
   Cait
  
   On 2013-09-16, at 5:02 PM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
wrote:
  
   Just wait and click

Itunes 11.1 available for download

2013-09-18 Thread Srikanth Kanuri

Itunes 11.1 available for download featuring I radio, genius shuffle play 
lists, ios 7 support easy app since etc. 

Sent from my iPod

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Re: Voice Dream Question

2013-09-18 Thread Richard Ring

Thanks! I knew I was missing something! Really appreciate your help!

You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
 Sent from my Mac Book Pro 
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On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Richard Turner richard.turne...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, 
 The other way to get to the begining of a book is to use the bookmark button 
 and select the first chapter, or preface, which ever you need.
 HTH,
 
 Richard
 (Sent from Richard's iPod Touch 5th gen)
 
 On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Greetings,
 I wanted to start a book over in Voice Dream, but I could not find a way to 
 do this. I finally used the percentage picker item and was able to go back 
 to the beginning of the book. Am I missing something? There must be an 
 easier way to do this!
 Thanks for any help anyone can give!
  
 
 You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
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RE: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold in Solara Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game

2013-09-18 Thread Zoe Fiogkos

Exactly your right.  I find some times the battle button gives me a few more
wins then other times the chalange a close rival gives me more wins, I guess
it depends on what the computer wants to do no matter what we want.  The
other thing that baffles me is even if I use the skip button to go through
the fights faster there are some people that I noticed may go up even more
then a 100 points in a few minutes.  I too have gone up quite a bit in a few
minutes when using the skip button and getting ratings like +20 but I've
noticed on the first day of battles people going up 1000 points in a very
short amount of time, how do they do it? Why aren't they getting defeats?
Meaning let's say for argument sake someone has a max food of 1000 food and
they keep clicking skip, obviously they are going to move up very quickly
all most like magic but the question remains why aren't they getting
defeats?  I've done the same thing by moving really quickly but when I'm
getting victory after victory all of a sudden I'm getting like 5  or 6
defeats in a row and all my hard work goes for nothing.  Hope my rambling
makes sense but the truth of the matter is I'm stumped and really trying to
figure it out.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jack Conti
Sent: September-18-13 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold in Solara
Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game

no, winning has nothing to do with it.  i am at level 50 and have 
lost to 3 level 45 heroes. and next try beaten three 49 level 
heroes.  I can't figure it.  so i keep trying to at least be in the 
top 10 some week lol.
At 11:32 AM 9/18/2013, you wrote:
Hi everyone I really love this game. Once the wonderful developers added
the
manage shops button, things are much easier.  When starting the game you
don't realize that the castle expantions will stop around the 30 level mark
from what I can see the castle is 12 by 24 when I got to this state I had
to
delete a lot of little shops that were giving me small amounts of gold and
build the bigger ones.  That is the whole idea I think that you will
destroy
smaller shops as you progress through the game to make room for the bigger
ones.  Some times you half to just camp out and accumulate gold so that you
can use at the later more expensive levels and believe me they get really
expensive both for building shops and training heros.  I have but esper to
help me along and to support the developers but you don't need to, you can
play the game all the way through with pretty good results.  My only beef
with this fantastic otherwise game is I feel the arena is very unfair.
I have a funny feeling that if you manage to win first place in the arena
more then two times no matter what you do it will not let you even get
close
to first place.
I have one in the early stages twice and ever since then even if I up
levels
during the week to be the same with other players, even if I change my hero
combinations, even if I battle castles with heros at least three levels
down
from me a lot of the times I get a big fat defeat.  There have been times
where I did nothing no building no questing no nothing accept fight in the
arena we are talking about approx. 400 fights in a day and no results
accept
for defeats. I think that's a little unfair because yes everyone should win
and have a chance but concoring a game with constant play compaired to
someone who may play only once a week makes the game sort of rigged lol,
don't get me wrong I'm not complaining as much as it sounds like I am just
sharing my observations.  I otherwise love the game and I can't wait for
the
developers to come out with solara 2 or some other game.  I hope when I
reach level 50 there will be an option to restart the game, but I have no
idea I'm on level 40.
Anyhow sorry for the long message but just wanted to share my thoughts.
Regards
Zoe


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Of Andy Baracco
Sent: September-16-13 10:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold in Solara
Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game

level 42? weren't they a Brittish rock band of the 1980s?

Andy


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From: Jack Conti
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 6:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Suggestions Needed Concerning How to accumulate gold in Solara
Game, and Questions to anyone who has completed the Game

right at level 50 and 12 available untis and can't fill anhy of them.
at level 50.   i am collecting from 88 shops and some are useless.  i
cleared out a floor entirely and couldn't autoplace a shop.

there are some really nice shops once you get past level 42 etc.  enjoy!!!
At 08:39 PM 9/16/2013, you wrote:
 I have 20 plus mil and I am lev 36 with all my characters fully

Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

2013-09-18 Thread RobH.

I can see some characters posing a problem as they aren't a single gesture, 
so the intermediate steps could be seen as flicks and swipes and taps... 
take i for example, or t.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

This is a neat feature since people won't be able to hear our
passwords any time we try to enter them.

On 9/18/13, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I was reading some of the content on the link provided in the following
 article, and I found the features of the new handwriting ability in IOS7
 simply amazing, and features I can't wait to try--especially when in noisy
 environments and the new password entry feature. Do yourself a favor and
 take a couple of minutes to read the details of what this feature can do 
 for

 you.
 Note: I've only pasted a small sample of what is in the link below, so 
 don't

 forget to click and read the entire article.

 Maccessibility » Review - iOS 7 and VoiceOver
 http://maccessibility.net/2013/09/18/review-ios-7-and-voiceover/

 The Pen Is Mightier Than the Keyboard

 With the popularity of apps like Fleksy and MBraille, it is clear that 
 some

 users find text entry on the software keyboard cumbersome or difficult,
 especially in certain situations. I must confess, I do not use either of
 these apps, as I have found my speed on the onscreen keyboard to be
 satisfactory, and use dictation when typing is inconvenient.

 That being said, Apple has provided a new feature to VoiceOver users that 
 is

 a pretty impressive alternative to typing your text entry. Tucked away,
 hidden at the bottom of the option rotor settings in VoiceOver's settings,
 is an option simply called Handwriting.

 When entering text, you can select Handwriting from the rotor, and then
 use the screen as a canvas to literally draw printed characters. By 
 default

 it starts in the category of lower case letters, but also includes
 recognition for uppercase letters, numbers, and punctuation.

 Simply draw a letter as it appears in printed form, and it is entered into
 the text field. Three-finger swipes up and down will change the category 
 of

 character type you are entering. A two-finger swipe right will input a
 space, and a two-finger swipe left will backspace.

 If you know the shapes of printed characters, a little practice will find
 you entering letters at a pretty good clip in this mode. Having already
 mastered a pretty speedy technique with keyboard entry on my iOS devices, 
 it

 has not yet overtaken my typing speed, but I can see where it might
 eventually, and certainly could for others who have trouble with keyboard
 entry. There are also occasions when typing is not optimal, such as in 
 noisy

 surroundings, and this would definitely be handy in those situations.

 The great thing about doing text entry in this way, is that it limits the
 learning curve for those who are already familiar with the shapes of 
 printed

 letters to almost zero. For those who are not, this is a great excuse to
 learn.

 You can also enter your pass code, if you keep one on your device, using 
 the

 handwriting feature, and it will even default to numbers for this purpose.

 The Handwriting feature has other uses and modes, too. If turned on while
 you're on the home screen, you can start writing letters on the screen, 
 and

 a list of apps beginning with those letters appears. Apps in this list can
 be anywhere on your device, and are not limited to those on the current
 screen or in the current folder. Use a two-finger swipe up or down to move
 through the list, and double-tap, as usual, to activate the app you want.
 Those who are familiar with the Item Chooser on Mac will find this
 functionality very familiar.

 When in web content, such as in Safari, Handwriting mode has yet another
 use. Write a letter corresponding to a rotor option, and VoiceOver 
 switches

 to that form of navigation. For example, writing H switches to Headings,
 and two-finger swipes up and down will move you through the headings on 
 the

 page. Draw an L, and now you are navigating links. This will be
 particularly nice for users who keep a lot of items in their rotor and 
 want

 a faster way to move through various HTML element types.

 The accuracy of the recognition of this mode is superb, and with just a
 little practice, many users are likely to find they enjoy this form of 
 text

 entry. Hats off to Apple for incorporating this in such a fluid and
 intuitive way.

 Joseph

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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

2013-09-18 Thread Jenifer Barr

I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and it'd 
be nice if you can print.

Jenifer Barr
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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Those old people amongst us who used an Optacon should be able to
remember the letters. I think that they are using printed letters
rather than cursive since they areeasier to recognize.

On 9/18/13, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Annie,

 I am also blindfrom birth and can't handwrite, apart from signing my name. I
 used to know the whole alphabet but can't remember it now !

 I am thinking, though, if you can use this in an ordinary document, you
 could actually learn how to handwrite so that it was readable! Am I thinking
 too far ahead! Perhaps so, but I do think it has possibilities for a number
 of people. Well done to Apple!
 Carol P
 Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

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 wrote:

 Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am
 blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.

 Best regards Annie.
 Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:

 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and
 it'd be nice if you can print.

 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

2013-09-18 Thread Louise Redsull

I only know a few letters too but might consider trying to learn them again.
I always found it confusing how you had different patterns for upper and
lower case letters, having to learn two alphabets instead of one, and that's
before you even think about joined up writing.

Louise.


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Of Carol Pearson
Sent: 18 September 2013 6:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Annie,

I am also blindfrom birth and can't handwrite, apart from signing my name. I
used to know the whole alphabet but can't remember it now !

I am thinking, though, if you can use this in an ordinary document, you
could actually learn how to handwrite so that it was readable! Am I thinking
too far ahead! Perhaps so, but I do think it has possibilities for a number
of people. Well done to Apple!
Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

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wrote:

Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am
blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.

Best regards Annie.
Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:

 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and
it'd be nice if you can print.
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Checkbook app for iPhone

2013-09-18 Thread John Panarese

   I am looking at a bunch of these apps now.  Some have minor accessibility 
issues, but they all generally get the job done.  Honestly, I was scouting this 
topic for two clients I am teaching the iPhone to, but I also have been meaning 
to get an app to do this for myself.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
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Mac for the Blind
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On Sep 18, 2013, at 3:44 AM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi John,
 
 Just out of interest, can you briefly let us know which one you settled on
 and why, once you have evaluated these apps?
 
 Cheers,
 Brett.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of John Panarese
 Sent: Wednesday, 18 September 2013 10:25 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Checkbook app for iPhone
 
OK.  Thank you for the information.  I'm trying out all of the
 suggestions and I appreciate all of the great feedback.  
 
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
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 On Sep 17, 2013, at 8:14 PM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, 
 
 It is made Anishu. There is a free version that does have some
 limitations, but it allows you to try before you buy to see if it meets your
 needs. 
 
 The main reason why I like this one is because of its Family sync feature,
 where your budgit can be synced between several iDevices, this allows a
 couple of people to be able to enter expences. 
 
 It's pretty good with voice over, as long as you change to menu view, as I
 previously stated.
 
 Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
 
 On 18 Sep 2013, at 9:07 am, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Is this the $4.99  app?  How is it with VO?
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
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 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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 On Sep 17, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Brett brettst...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, I personally like HomeBudget. 
 
 Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone
 
 On 18 Sep 2013, at 3:03 am, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys,
 I did some looking around on Applevis, but didn't see anything that
 caught my attention.  Does anyone know if there is a checkbook app for the
 iPhone that one can use to balance accounts and such?  Recommendations would
 be appreciated.
 
 
 Take Care
 
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 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
 
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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

I'm assuming it is no different than the symbolic patterns you have 
learned to type Braille characters. In other words, you have learned that 
you must place your fingers in a certain position to type the letter t, so 
it is now a matter of teaching your brain to automatically generate that 
same reflexive response to execute a single stroke from top to bottom then 
another stroke from left to right to handwrite the letter T. Again, with 
time and practice (just like you did when learning Braille characters), your 
muscle memory can be nonconciously utilized to type words using 
alpha-numeric strings of letters. I will also add that learning upper case 
letter will be easier than writing lower case letters.

Joseph

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Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!


Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am 
blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.

Best regards Annie.
Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:

 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and 
 it'd be nice if you can print.

 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2013, at 12:26 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote:

 What's even more important about the handwriting, is that Apple is 
 thinking and innovating for Voice Over  users!! Isn't that great?!?

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A walkthrough of new features in IOS 7

Hi folks,

I did a walkthrough of some of the new features and improvements in IOS 7.

You can listen at
http://www.appletothecore.info/2013/09/an-ios-7-walkthrough.html

hth

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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Carol, what an excellent idea! One can actually use this handwriting utility 
to practice and eventually learn how to write. VoiceOver will definitely 
give the user some sort of feedback when the letter is entered correctly, so 
why not use this to one's advantage in learning how to write letters when 
the letter has not been recognized by IOS. Also makes for a great time 
killer while waiting at the dentist office. ...Look at that, IOS7 has given 
us a free writing instructor! Smile.

Joseph

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Annie,

I am also blindfrom birth and can't handwrite, apart from signing my name. I 
used to know the whole alphabet but can't remember it now !

I am thinking, though, if you can use this in an ordinary document, you 
could actually learn how to handwrite so that it was readable! Am I thinking 
too far ahead! Perhaps so, but I do think it has possibilities for a number 
of people. Well done to Apple!
Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 18 Sep 2013, at 05:58 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am 
blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.

Best regards Annie.
Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:

 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and 
 it'd be nice if you can print.

 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone

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 thinking and innovating for Voice Over  users!! Isn't that great?!?

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read2go and IOS7

2013-09-18 Thread Shai

Hi, 

Has anyone had a chance to try read2go with IOS7? If so, are items working
as expected?  

Thanks in advance for any responses

 

 

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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

2013-09-18 Thread Carol Pearson

Now, if we really could get into this, I would think seriously about looking 
for a stylus! Then I can see myself really writing with my pen!

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 18 Sep 2013, at 06:09 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm assuming it is no different than the symbolic patterns you have 
learned to type Braille characters. In other words, you have learned that 
you must place your fingers in a certain position to type the letter t, so 
it is now a matter of teaching your brain to automatically generate that 
same reflexive response to execute a single stroke from top to bottom then 
another stroke from left to right to handwrite the letter T. Again, with 
time and practice (just like you did when learning Braille characters), your 
muscle memory can be nonconciously utilized to type words using 
alpha-numeric strings of letters. I will also add that learning upper case 
letter will be easier than writing lower case letters.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!


Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am 
blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.

Best regards Annie.
Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:

 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and 
 it'd be nice if you can print.
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2013, at 12:26 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What's even more important about the handwriting, is that Apple is 
 thinking and innovating for Voice Over  users!! Isn't that great?!?
 
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RE: Navigon Hawaii

You guessed it! I want to start navigating right out-of-the-box :-) do you 
think I should go for the seeing eye GPS instead? Would that be easier to 
learn? Thank you! (Voice Converted to Text via iPhone;Excuse typos) 

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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

2013-09-18 Thread Carol Pearson

Annie,

I am also blindfrom birth and can't handwrite, apart from signing my name. I 
used to know the whole alphabet but can't remember it now !

I am thinking, though, if you can use this in an ordinary document, you could 
actually learn how to handwrite so that it was readable! Am I thinking too far 
ahead! Perhaps so, but I do think it has possibilities for a number of people. 
Well done to Apple!
Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

On 18 Sep 2013, at 05:58 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am blind 
from birth, I have not learned handwriting.

Best regards Annie.
Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:

 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and 
 it'd be nice if you can print.
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: ios 7 is out!!


Ok thanks for lettting us no i'm trying to get it but a error accurs


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On 18/09/2013 18:00, Ioana Gandrabur wrote:

Software update ready!


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article: What’s New in iOS 7 Accessibility for Individuals who are Blind, Deaf-blind, or who have Low Vision

2013-09-18 Thread Scott Davert

http://applevis.com/blog/apple/what%E2%80%99s-new-ios-7-accessibility-individuals-who-are-blind-deaf-blind-or-who-have-low

Introduction:

Just like the last several Autumn seasons, this one comes with another
new iOS release. And just like other releases, this release brings a
lot of new features and functions to supported iDevices. Major changes
include enhancements to Siri, a new Control Center available from
anywhere within the OS giving you instant access to several essential
controls, a revamped Notifications Center, and much more. Many blogs
and Apple themselves will be highlighting these new enhancements to
iOS, so I will not discuss them in great detail. This article, as the
title implies, deals with enhancements pertaining to accessibility:
specifically, those changes which impact individuals who are blind or
deaf-blind.

One of the joys and curses of getting a new release from Apple is that
they do not actively document the changes in accessibility with their
products. This is good for me, because it gives me the chance to share
new features with my readers, but it is also a challenge. While I have
taken care to work extensively with the new version of iOS since the
first Beta release in June, there will be things that I have missed.
I'm confident this will also be the case with other people attempting
to do the same thing. This is also part of the fun. Whenever I
discover a new feature that was not previously written about, it's
almost like solving a puzzle or getting an early Birthday present.
With that said, here are the changes Detective Davert found while
investigating accessibility with the new iOS.

General changes:

As anyone who has tried to enable VoiceOver on an iDevice can tell
you, Triple Click Home, while designed to quickly enable selected
accessibility features, by default will do nothing unless configured
or unless it is during the initial set up of the device. With iOS 7,
you can press and hold the home key and tell Siri to enable some
accessibility options such as VoiceOver, inverted colors, assistive
touch, and guided access. Simply say: “turn off VoiceOver”. Or “turn
on assistive touch”. Sadly, this does not appear to work with other
accessibility features such as Zoom, Hearing aid mode, etc. I would
hope that Apple would consider making this an option for other
accessibility features in the future, so that more users could quickly
toggle on and off settings as needed. Note that to use Siri, you must
have either a data connection to a cellular network or wifi. One can
still use the Triple Click Home function, once it's configured, but
this is just another way to quickly toggle some accessibility features
on and off. You can also tell Siri to go in to the Accessibility
Settings menu by saying “open accessibility settings”.

One mainstream feature that some may be concerned about is the
automatic updating of apps. By default, this is set to on. As anyone
who runs apps can probably tell you, developers sometimes
unintentionally break accessibility when updating various parts of
their apps. As such, many users may wish to disable this feature. To
do so, go in to Settings\iTunes App Store and under the SHOW ALL
heading, you’ll find Updates. Double tap to toggle this setting on and
off, or tap once if not using VoiceOver.

VoiceOver changes:

The list of gestures with VoiceOver continues to grow with each major
release of iOS. This time around, one addition is the 4 finger
double-tap. This enables VoiceOver help from anywhere. So instead of
having to go in to Settings\General\accessibility\VoiceOver\VoiceOver
practice, you can now do this gesture from anywhere and then do
gestures and keyboard commands to find out their functions. This of
course, is already accomplished through VO plus K on the keyboard and
space with K with braille displays.

Another new gesture that was added is the quadruple 3 finger tap. This
will copy the last spoken text to the clipboard. This is a handy
feature, which will save a lot of time since you will no longer need
to go to the rotor to find Edit and then copy the selected text to the
clipboard. This also eliminates some need for selecting text via
gestures, as these seem to be confusing to many of the clients I work
with that choose to utilize only the touch screen.

A 3rd new gesture comes out of a new feature. To access the Control
Center, which gives you quick access to many popular toggle settings
within the iDevice, you must first tap the status bar, then swipe up
with 3 fingers. You will now be in the Control Center. Double tapping
any of the options (single tapping without VoiceOver) will toggle
settings on and off. To exit the Control Center, do a 2 finger scrub
on the home screen, or the equivalent keyboard command to activate the
back button on your external device.

Old gestures, new function:

Previously, the slide to unlock button was located directly above the
home button on iDevices. This is no longer the case. To

Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

2013-09-18 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen

Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am blind 
from birth, I have not learned handwriting.

Best regards Annie.
Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:

 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and 
 it'd be nice if you can print.
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2013, at 12:26 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What's even more important about the handwriting, is that Apple is thinking 
 and innovating for Voice Over  users!! Isn't that great?!? 
 
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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Oh wait, I just thought of something... Since one has to use the rotor to 
select this handwriting mode, this is probably how Apple worked around the 
possibility of mistaking the strokes necessary to write a letter T from an 
IOS swiping gesture. In other words, it is the Rotor that tells IOS to 
ignore finger strokes and not think of them as gestures.

Joseph

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Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!


I can see some characters posing a problem as they aren't a single gesture,
so the intermediate steps could be seen as flicks and swipes and taps...
take i for example, or t.

Rh.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!


This is a neat feature since people won't be able to hear our
passwords any time we try to enter them.

On 9/18/13, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I was reading some of the content on the link provided in the following
 article, and I found the features of the new handwriting ability in IOS7
 simply amazing, and features I can't wait to try--especially when in noisy
 environments and the new password entry feature. Do yourself a favor and
 take a couple of minutes to read the details of what this feature can do
 for

 you.
 Note: I've only pasted a small sample of what is in the link below, so
 don't

 forget to click and read the entire article.

 Maccessibility » Review - iOS 7 and VoiceOver
 http://maccessibility.net/2013/09/18/review-ios-7-and-voiceover/

 The Pen Is Mightier Than the Keyboard

 With the popularity of apps like Fleksy and MBraille, it is clear that
 some

 users find text entry on the software keyboard cumbersome or difficult,
 especially in certain situations. I must confess, I do not use either of
 these apps, as I have found my speed on the onscreen keyboard to be
 satisfactory, and use dictation when typing is inconvenient.

 That being said, Apple has provided a new feature to VoiceOver users that
 is

 a pretty impressive alternative to typing your text entry. Tucked away,
 hidden at the bottom of the option rotor settings in VoiceOver's settings,
 is an option simply called Handwriting.

 When entering text, you can select Handwriting from the rotor, and then
 use the screen as a canvas to literally draw printed characters. By
 default

 it starts in the category of lower case letters, but also includes
 recognition for uppercase letters, numbers, and punctuation.

 Simply draw a letter as it appears in printed form, and it is entered into
 the text field. Three-finger swipes up and down will change the category
 of

 character type you are entering. A two-finger swipe right will input a
 space, and a two-finger swipe left will backspace.

 If you know the shapes of printed characters, a little practice will find
 you entering letters at a pretty good clip in this mode. Having already
 mastered a pretty speedy technique with keyboard entry on my iOS devices,
 it

 has not yet overtaken my typing speed, but I can see where it might
 eventually, and certainly could for others who have trouble with keyboard
 entry. There are also occasions when typing is not optimal, such as in
 noisy

 surroundings, and this would definitely be handy in those situations.

 The great thing about doing text entry in this way, is that it limits the
 learning curve for those who are already familiar with the shapes of
 printed

 letters to almost zero. For those who are not, this is a great excuse to
 learn.

 You can also enter your pass code, if you keep one on your device, using
 the

 handwriting feature, and it will even default to numbers for this purpose.

 The Handwriting feature has other uses and modes, too. If turned on while
 you're on the home screen, you can start writing letters on the screen,
 and

 a list of apps beginning with those letters appears. Apps in this list can
 be anywhere on your device, and are not limited to those on the current
 screen or in the current folder. Use a two-finger swipe up or down to move
 through the list, and double-tap, as usual, to activate the app you want.
 Those who are familiar with the Item Chooser on Mac will find this
 functionality very familiar.

 When in web content, such as in Safari, Handwriting mode has yet another
 use. Write a letter corresponding to a rotor option, and VoiceOver
 switches

 to that form of navigation. For example, writing H switches to Headings,
 and two-finger swipes up and down will move you through the headings on
 the

 page. Draw an L, and now you are navigating links. This will be
 particularly nice for users who keep a lot of items in their rotor and
 want

 a faster way to move through various HTML element types.

 The accuracy of the recognition of this mode is superb, and

Re: Question regarding installation of iOS 7

2013-09-18 Thread Ioana Gandrabur

It will maintain them.

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-09-18, at 1:03 PM, Hope Paulos hope.pau...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello. If I install iOS 7 over the air, through Wi-Fi, will it retain my 
 applications in the specified folders or will I have to (reorganize  
 everything?
 
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iOS 7 on iPhone 4

2013-09-18 Thread Jared

I currently have an iPhone 4 but plan on upgrading shortly. I've read about 
sluggishness with iOS 7 on the iPhone 4 so am considering holding off 
upgrading. I was wondering what people's experiences who ran prerelease 
versions on a 4 were, or what experiences of people who do the upgrade on a 
4 is today?

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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

2013-09-18 Thread Chuck Dean

Hello Annie,
You should also remember that a lot of people who use voice over are not 
necessarily blind, but visually impaired like myself. I learned hand write in a 
very young age and still do sometimes. But I have limited vision, and this 
particular feature may come in handy.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com 
wrote:

 Annie,
 
 I am also blindfrom birth and can't handwrite, apart from signing my name. I 
 used to know the whole alphabet but can't remember it now !
 
 I am thinking, though, if you can use this in an ordinary document, you could 
 actually learn how to handwrite so that it was readable! Am I thinking too 
 far ahead! Perhaps so, but I do think it has possibilities for a number of 
 people. Well done to Apple!
 Carol P
 Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
 
 On 18 Sep 2013, at 05:58 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am 
 blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:
 
 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and 
 it'd be nice if you can print.
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2013, at 12:26 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What's even more important about the handwriting, is that Apple is thinking 
 and innovating for Voice Over  users!! Isn't that great?!? 
 
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iOs 7

2013-09-18 Thread Trea Abma

I’m downloading it now!
Looking forward to the multiple hq voices, that we can have from now. 

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Can Anyone suggest a tutorial for Navigon

2013-09-18 Thread tcorson2

The subject says it all.  So, if anyone has a sugestion, pleas let me know.

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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

This is a neat feature since people won't be able to hear our
passwords any time we try to enter them.

On 9/18/13, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I was reading some of the content on the link provided in the following
 article, and I found the features of the new handwriting ability in IOS7
 simply amazing, and features I can't wait to try--especially when in noisy
 environments and the new password entry feature. Do yourself a favor and
 take a couple of minutes to read the details of what this feature can do for

 you.
 Note: I've only pasted a small sample of what is in the link below, so don't

 forget to click and read the entire article.

 Maccessibility » Review - iOS 7 and VoiceOver
 http://maccessibility.net/2013/09/18/review-ios-7-and-voiceover/

 The Pen Is Mightier Than the Keyboard

 With the popularity of apps like Fleksy and MBraille, it is clear that some

 users find text entry on the software keyboard cumbersome or difficult,
 especially in certain situations. I must confess, I do not use either of
 these apps, as I have found my speed on the onscreen keyboard to be
 satisfactory, and use dictation when typing is inconvenient.

 That being said, Apple has provided a new feature to VoiceOver users that is

 a pretty impressive alternative to typing your text entry. Tucked away,
 hidden at the bottom of the option rotor settings in VoiceOver's settings,
 is an option simply called Handwriting.

 When entering text, you can select Handwriting from the rotor, and then
 use the screen as a canvas to literally draw printed characters. By default

 it starts in the category of lower case letters, but also includes
 recognition for uppercase letters, numbers, and punctuation.

 Simply draw a letter as it appears in printed form, and it is entered into
 the text field. Three-finger swipes up and down will change the category of

 character type you are entering. A two-finger swipe right will input a
 space, and a two-finger swipe left will backspace.

 If you know the shapes of printed characters, a little practice will find
 you entering letters at a pretty good clip in this mode. Having already
 mastered a pretty speedy technique with keyboard entry on my iOS devices, it

 has not yet overtaken my typing speed, but I can see where it might
 eventually, and certainly could for others who have trouble with keyboard
 entry. There are also occasions when typing is not optimal, such as in noisy

 surroundings, and this would definitely be handy in those situations.

 The great thing about doing text entry in this way, is that it limits the
 learning curve for those who are already familiar with the shapes of printed

 letters to almost zero. For those who are not, this is a great excuse to
 learn.

 You can also enter your pass code, if you keep one on your device, using the

 handwriting feature, and it will even default to numbers for this purpose.

 The Handwriting feature has other uses and modes, too. If turned on while
 you're on the home screen, you can start writing letters on the screen, and

 a list of apps beginning with those letters appears. Apps in this list can
 be anywhere on your device, and are not limited to those on the current
 screen or in the current folder. Use a two-finger swipe up or down to move
 through the list, and double-tap, as usual, to activate the app you want.
 Those who are familiar with the Item Chooser on Mac will find this
 functionality very familiar.

 When in web content, such as in Safari, Handwriting mode has yet another
 use. Write a letter corresponding to a rotor option, and VoiceOver switches

 to that form of navigation. For example, writing H switches to Headings,
 and two-finger swipes up and down will move you through the headings on the

 page. Draw an L, and now you are navigating links. This will be
 particularly nice for users who keep a lot of items in their rotor and want

 a faster way to move through various HTML element types.

 The accuracy of the recognition of this mode is superb, and with just a
 little practice, many users are likely to find they enjoy this form of text

 entry. Hats off to Apple for incorporating this in such a fluid and
 intuitive way.

 Joseph


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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

2013-09-18 Thread Christopher Chaltain

I'm not sure what time zone you're in, but I've heard it should be 
available around 10AM Pacific.


On 09/18/2013 11:19 AM, AppleGourmet wrote:

Awesome! This sounds just awesome! I'm really looking forward to getting my 
hands on seven!! It's 9:15 AM. When will seven be available for download? I 
thought it would of the early morning today. (Voice Converted to Text via 
iPhone;Excuse typos)



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Re: iOS 7 on iPhone 4

Hi i have a 4s on the previous i o s 6 and it works well don't no about 
the latest as it's giving me a error when it tries to check



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On 18/09/2013 18:40, Jared wrote:

I currently have an iPhone 4 but plan on upgrading shortly. I've read
about sluggishness with iOS 7 on the iPhone 4 so am considering holding
off upgrading. I was wondering what people's experiences who ran
prerelease versions on a 4 were, or what experiences of people who do
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Re: iOS 7 on iPhone 4

2013-09-18 Thread Jonathan Mosen

It's noticeably sluggish on a 4S, so I can only imagine it would be even worse 
on a 4. I've seen mainstream reviews saying how unresponsive it is on the 4, 
and that's without VO in the mix.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

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 I currently have an iPhone 4 but plan on upgrading shortly. I've read about 
 sluggishness with iOS 7 on the iPhone 4 so am considering holding off 
 upgrading. I was wondering what people's experiences who ran prerelease 
 versions on a 4 were, or what experiences of people who do the upgrade on a 4 
 is today?
 
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Question regarding installation of iOS 7

2013-09-18 Thread Hope Paulos

Hello. If I install iOS 7 over the air, through Wi-Fi, will it retain my 
applications in the specified folders or will I have to (reorganize  everything?

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Re: Touch Id's possible weaknesses

2013-09-18 Thread Mike Arrigo

If I had the iphone 5s, I would probably not use this feature, it's 
still very new and I would be concerned about how reliable it was.

Original message:

Hi all,



Here's an interesting article I just bumped into in regards to the new
IOS7's Touch ID. The article concerns what touch id can and cannot deliver.
See below for link to article URL:



Can Touch ID be hacked?
 Yes, fingerprint sensors have been around for at least two decades and have
been hacked before. So, while Touch ID hasn't been hacked yet, that probably
owes more to the device not being publicly available yet than anything else.
As the iPhone 5S proliferates, expect creative and disturbing methods of
hacking the fingerprint sensor to arise. Hopefully, would-be thieves won't
start carrying cigar cutters around.



Does Touch ID use two-factor authentication?
 No. Touch ID is not considered two-factor authentication because there is
no second authorization technique that's required to use it. It's possible
that Apple could expand the feature in the future to include stronger
security, but one of the appeals of Touch ID, like the Windows 8 picture
login, is that it requires the security input only once.



There are still many questions that remain about Touch ID's implementation,
including how people will use it and how developers will incorporate it. A
big unknown for Apple's bottom line is whether businesses will consider this
safer for the bring your own device movement, and demand that their
employees have it. And it's not going to eliminate passwords -- at least,
not on its own.



Apple is not the first major smartphone maker to incorporate a biometric
sensor into a device. Motorola did it with the Atrix but it bombed.



 What we know about Apple's Touch ID (FAQ) | Apple - CNET News
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57602318-37/what-we-know-about-apples-touch-id-faq/



Joseph



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Ios 7 released

2013-09-18 Thread Srikanth Kanuri

Download 

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ios 7 is out!!

2013-09-18 Thread Ioana Gandrabur

Software update ready!


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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Hi,

Keep in mind, you can’t just use any old stylus with an IOS device.

hth

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On Sep 18, 2013, at 1:47 PM, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Using a stylus is a great idea as the finger gets sweaty sometimes.
 They are easily available since they are still used for portable game
 machines.
 
 On 9/18/13, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:
 Hello Annie,
 You should also remember that a lot of people who use voice over are not
 necessarily blind, but visually impaired like myself. I learned hand write
 in a very young age and still do sometimes. But I have limited vision, and
 this particular feature may come in handy.
 
 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.
 
 On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
 
 Annie,
 
 I am also blindfrom birth and can't handwrite, apart from signing my name.
 I used to know the whole alphabet but can't remember it now !
 
 I am thinking, though, if you can use this in an ordinary document, you
 could actually learn how to handwrite so that it was readable! Am I
 thinking too far ahead! Perhaps so, but I do think it has possibilities
 for a number of people. Well done to Apple!
 Carol P
 Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
 
 On 18 Sep 2013, at 05:58 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen
 annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am
 blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:
 
 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive
 and it'd be nice if you can print.
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2013, at 12:26 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What's even more important about the handwriting, is that Apple is
 thinking and innovating for Voice Over  users!! Isn't that great?!?
 
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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Hi Rob,

While thinking about this a bit... Apple may have worked around this by 
allowing just the slightest delay when executing the finger strokes used to 
handwrite an upper case letter E or letter T. That is, similar to how a 
double-tap work, the faster you execute the double-tap, the more likely you 
are to launch an app. If you want to double-tap, and if you wait too long, 
the double-tap will be registered as a single tap. This same tiny delay is 
probably used to register letters that necessitate the lifting of one's 
fingers off of the screen. ...Just thinking out loud. Smile.

Joseph

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From: RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!


I can see some characters posing a problem as they aren't a single gesture,
so the intermediate steps could be seen as flicks and swipes and taps...
take i for example, or t.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!


This is a neat feature since people won't be able to hear our
passwords any time we try to enter them.

On 9/18/13, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 I was reading some of the content on the link provided in the following
 article, and I found the features of the new handwriting ability in IOS7
 simply amazing, and features I can't wait to try--especially when in noisy
 environments and the new password entry feature. Do yourself a favor and
 take a couple of minutes to read the details of what this feature can do
 for

 you.
 Note: I've only pasted a small sample of what is in the link below, so
 don't

 forget to click and read the entire article.

 Maccessibility » Review - iOS 7 and VoiceOver
 http://maccessibility.net/2013/09/18/review-ios-7-and-voiceover/

 The Pen Is Mightier Than the Keyboard

 With the popularity of apps like Fleksy and MBraille, it is clear that
 some

 users find text entry on the software keyboard cumbersome or difficult,
 especially in certain situations. I must confess, I do not use either of
 these apps, as I have found my speed on the onscreen keyboard to be
 satisfactory, and use dictation when typing is inconvenient.

 That being said, Apple has provided a new feature to VoiceOver users that
 is

 a pretty impressive alternative to typing your text entry. Tucked away,
 hidden at the bottom of the option rotor settings in VoiceOver's settings,
 is an option simply called Handwriting.

 When entering text, you can select Handwriting from the rotor, and then
 use the screen as a canvas to literally draw printed characters. By
 default

 it starts in the category of lower case letters, but also includes
 recognition for uppercase letters, numbers, and punctuation.

 Simply draw a letter as it appears in printed form, and it is entered into
 the text field. Three-finger swipes up and down will change the category
 of

 character type you are entering. A two-finger swipe right will input a
 space, and a two-finger swipe left will backspace.

 If you know the shapes of printed characters, a little practice will find
 you entering letters at a pretty good clip in this mode. Having already
 mastered a pretty speedy technique with keyboard entry on my iOS devices,
 it

 has not yet overtaken my typing speed, but I can see where it might
 eventually, and certainly could for others who have trouble with keyboard
 entry. There are also occasions when typing is not optimal, such as in
 noisy

 surroundings, and this would definitely be handy in those situations.

 The great thing about doing text entry in this way, is that it limits the
 learning curve for those who are already familiar with the shapes of
 printed

 letters to almost zero. For those who are not, this is a great excuse to
 learn.

 You can also enter your pass code, if you keep one on your device, using
 the

 handwriting feature, and it will even default to numbers for this purpose.

 The Handwriting feature has other uses and modes, too. If turned on while
 you're on the home screen, you can start writing letters on the screen,
 and

 a list of apps beginning with those letters appears. Apps in this list can
 be anywhere on your device, and are not limited to those on the current
 screen or in the current folder. Use a two-finger swipe up or down to move
 through the list, and double-tap, as usual, to activate the app you want.
 Those who are familiar with the Item Chooser on Mac will find this
 functionality very familiar.

 When in web content, such as in Safari, Handwriting mode has yet another
 use. Write a letter corresponding to a rotor option, and VoiceOver
 switches

 to that form of navigation. For example, writing H switches to Headings,
 and two-finger swipes up and down will move you through the headings on
 the

 page. Draw an L, and now

Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Using a stylus is a great idea as the finger gets sweaty sometimes.
They are easily available since they are still used for portable game
machines.

On 9/18/13, Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com wrote:
 Hello Annie,
 You should also remember that a lot of people who use voice over are not
 necessarily blind, but visually impaired like myself. I learned hand write
 in a very young age and still do sometimes. But I have limited vision, and
 this particular feature may come in handy.

 Chuck (mobile)
 Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:15 AM, Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 Annie,

 I am also blindfrom birth and can't handwrite, apart from signing my name.
 I used to know the whole alphabet but can't remember it now !

 I am thinking, though, if you can use this in an ordinary document, you
 could actually learn how to handwrite so that it was readable! Am I
 thinking too far ahead! Perhaps so, but I do think it has possibilities
 for a number of people. Well done to Apple!
 Carol P
 Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

 On 18 Sep 2013, at 05:58 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen
 annieskovniel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am
 blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.

 Best regards Annie.
 Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:

 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive
 and it'd be nice if you can print.

 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 18, 2013, at 12:26 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote:

 What's even more important about the handwriting, is that Apple is
 thinking and innovating for Voice Over  users!! Isn't that great?!?

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Re: ios 7 is out!!

2013-09-18 Thread Liz and Sammie

Hi Hannah!  Right now I would guess that the server is loaded with a lot of 
people downloading the update.  If you get an error message, give it some 
time and try again later.

Liz Ulrich and Leader Dog Sammie
Westwood Church of God Internet Prayer Chain Coordinator

HTTP://WWW.FACEBOOK.COM/ELIZABETH.ULRICH.1


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Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval

2013-09-18 Thread Lelia Struve

So each time I see this subject I am thinking  the bard app is 
finally here, no!!! what in the world does chrome have to do with bard?

Original message:

Actually, you can do this in chrome as well. In the global talkback
menu, there is an option for navigation, opening this will allow you to
navigate by web element. I do use firefox though since it's a bit faster.
Original message:

I'm not the original person who made the comment, but I've tried a
Google Nexus.  For one thing, I can't move around with a bluetooth
keyboard as well as I can on an iPhone/iPad.  For web browsing, the
only way you can navigate by elements such as heading is if you install
Firefox.  This is OK I guess, but I can't help but wonder why this
isn't in TalkBack.  In my opinion, accessing Voice Search isn't as
efficient as accessing Siri.  When I want to access Siri, I just hold
down the Home button until I hear the double-beep.  When I want to
access Voice Search, I have to look for it on the touch screen and
double-tap.  To me, that seems to defeat the purpose.




Sent from my iPhone



On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:14 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:



I'd be curious to know what you think it's still lacking.
On Sep 13, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:



Having used an Android tablet and several i devices, I would have to
say that Android accessibility is almost as good as it was in the
iPhone 3GS. Still a ways to go in my opinion.




You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
Sent from my Mac Book Pro
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On Sep 13, 2013, at 2:50 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:



This may still be the case, not sure, but the number of blind android
users is growing fast, and that's a very good thing. The level of
accessibility that is provided is now on the same level, another good thing.
Original message:

One thing that may have enfluenced the NLS is, there are probably more
blind iOS users than android users.



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On Sep 13, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
mailto:n0...@charter.net wrote:




Hopefully the android version will not be far behind, I actually wish
they would have released them both at the same time.
Original message:




I was a beta tester, and they just sent out the announcement that the beta
is over and the app has been submitted.





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com http://googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Rumery
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 10:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: BARD app submitted to Apple for approval





How do you know this? If this is true then that is great news because I know
that there are a lot of blind people who have been waiting a very log time
for it.





Scott Rumery
On Sep 13, 2013, at 10:05 AM, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com
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The app has been submitted, so should be out very soon.





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Re: Touch Id's possible weaknesses

Hi,

But if you found it not to be reliable, wouldn’t you just turn it off?  You 
would have lost nothing by trying it for your self.

JMO.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Sep 18, 2013, at 1:48 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 If I had the iphone 5s, I would probably not use this feature, it's still 
 very new and I would be concerned about how reliable it was.
 Original message:
 Hi all,
 
 Here's an interesting article I just bumped into in regards to the new
 IOS7's Touch ID. The article concerns what touch id can and cannot deliver.
 See below for link to article URL:
 
 Can Touch ID be hacked?
 Yes, fingerprint sensors have been around for at least two decades and have
 been hacked before. So, while Touch ID hasn't been hacked yet, that probably
 owes more to the device not being publicly available yet than anything else.
 As the iPhone 5S proliferates, expect creative and disturbing methods of
 hacking the fingerprint sensor to arise. Hopefully, would-be thieves won't
 start carrying cigar cutters around.
 
 Does Touch ID use two-factor authentication?
 No. Touch ID is not considered two-factor authentication because there is
 no second authorization technique that's required to use it. It's possible
 that Apple could expand the feature in the future to include stronger
 security, but one of the appeals of Touch ID, like the Windows 8 picture
 login, is that it requires the security input only once.
 
 There are still many questions that remain about Touch ID's implementation,
 including how people will use it and how developers will incorporate it. A
 big unknown for Apple's bottom line is whether businesses will consider this
 safer for the bring your own device movement, and demand that their
 employees have it. And it's not going to eliminate passwords -- at least,
 not on its own.
 
 Apple is not the first major smartphone maker to incorporate a biometric
 sensor into a device. Motorola did it with the Atrix but it bombed.
 
 What we know about Apple's Touch ID (FAQ) | Apple - CNET News
 http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57602318-37/what-we-know-about-apples-touch-id-faq/
 
 Joseph
 
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RE: Navigon Hawaii

2013-09-18 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

I haven't used the Seeing Eye app yet so I couldn't tell you if it's easier,
but my guess is that in some ways it might be. Don't forget that you require
a constant data connection for the Seeing Eye app to access maps, Navigon
allows you to download the maps to your device.

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Subject: RE: Navigon Hawaii

You guessed it! I want to start navigating right out-of-the-box :-) do you
think I should go for the seeing eye GPS instead? Would that be easier to
learn? Thank you! (Voice Converted to Text via iPhone;Excuse typos) 

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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

No. Think geek sells a stylist that works with the iPhone. If you've ever seen 
the gloves that you can wear while typing on the iPhone, it's the same 
principle. Regular gloves block the conduction of electricity from your fingers 
to the iPhone screen. That's why there's silver threads running through them. I 
don't mean silver colored threads, but actual silver. At least, I'm pretty sure 
it's actual silver. I would think that the stylus works similarly.


Thanks,
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On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:57 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:

 Your creativity is really impressive Carol! What you suggested is true, but 
 I wonder if it will have to be some sort of overly expensive, apple approved 
 stylus since it would have to interact with the IOS device screen. Smile.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Carol Pearson carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:25 AM
 Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!
 
 
 Now, if we really could get into this, I would think seriously about looking 
 for a stylus! Then I can see myself really writing with my pen!
 
 Carol P
 Sent from my iPhone using MBraille
 
 On 18 Sep 2013, at 06:09 PM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I'm assuming it is no different than the symbolic patterns you have
 learned to type Braille characters. In other words, you have learned that
 you must place your fingers in a certain position to type the letter t, so
 it is now a matter of teaching your brain to automatically generate that
 same reflexive response to execute a single stroke from top to bottom then
 another stroke from left to right to handwrite the letter T. Again, with
 time and practice (just like you did when learning Braille characters), your
 muscle memory can be nonconciously utilized to type words using
 alpha-numeric strings of letters. I will also add that learning upper case
 letter will be easier than writing lower case letters.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:58 AM
 Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!
 
 
 Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am
 blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:
 
 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and
 it'd be nice if you can print.
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2013, at 12:26 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What's even more important about the handwriting, is that Apple is
 thinking and innovating for Voice Over  users!! Isn't that great?!?
 
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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

I know a little, though technically it's not handwriting, it's printing. 
Usually when people say that something is hand written, they mean cursive, or 
at least, that's what I've noticed. I'll be interested to try out this feature 
and see how it works with my horrible printing. :)


Thanks,
Ari

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 Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am 
 blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:
 
 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and 
 it'd be nice if you can print.
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2013, at 12:26 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What's even more important about the handwriting, is that Apple is thinking 
 and innovating for Voice Over  users!! Isn't that great?!? 
 
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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Probably you're right about the muscle memory thing. Also, I can attest to the 
fact that learning uppercase is easier than learning lowercase. In fact, most 
of the print I know is uppercase. I learned off license plates, so I do know 
some forms of lowercase letters, but I am definitely not proficient with print. 
This new handwriting feature will probably give me an incentive to learn. I'll 
have fun with it, at least.


Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:09 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm assuming it is no different than the symbolic patterns you have 
 learned to type Braille characters. In other words, you have learned that 
 you must place your fingers in a certain position to type the letter t, so 
 it is now a matter of teaching your brain to automatically generate that 
 same reflexive response to execute a single stroke from top to bottom then 
 another stroke from left to right to handwrite the letter T. Again, with 
 time and practice (just like you did when learning Braille characters), your 
 muscle memory can be nonconciously utilized to type words using 
 alpha-numeric strings of letters. I will also add that learning upper case 
 letter will be easier than writing lower case letters.
 
 Joseph
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:58 AM
 Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!
 
 
 Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am 
 blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:
 
 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and 
 it'd be nice if you can print.
 
 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2013, at 12:26 PM, AppleGourmet sen...@gmail.com wrote:
 
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Re: ios 7 is out!!

My seven update took almost 58 minutes!! But it's done! And it's working fine! 
Patients! You need a fast connection. Best of luck! 

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question about auto updating applications in new I O S

2013-09-18 Thread Brent Harbolt

Has anyone found out if you can turn the auto ap update feature off for the 
new I O S?


Brent

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Re: question about auto updating applications in new I O S

I know you can but am not sure yet where.

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 Has anyone found out if you can turn the auto ap update feature off for the

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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Well, I think Apple is using this word in its very literal sense, and if 
this is indeed the case, then hand-writing is an apt term. Smile. 
Printing nowadays is associated with something very different than writing, 
but you are definitely correct.

Joseph

- Original Message - 
From: Arianna englishride...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

I know a little, though technically it's not handwriting, it's printing. 
Usually when people say that something is hand written, they mean cursive, 
or at least, that's what I've noticed. I'll be interested to try out this 
feature and see how it works with my horrible printing. :)

Thanks,
Ari

On Sep 18, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am 
 blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.

 Best regards Annie.
 Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:

 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive 
 and it'd be nice if you can print.

 Jenifer Barr
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Re: iOS 7 on iPhone 4

Crap. I have a for us. And the worst of it is, I just recently upgraded to it 
from a 4. This was around February or so of this year, too.


Thanks,
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 It's noticeably sluggish on a 4S, so I can only imagine it would be even 
 worse on a 4. I've seen mainstream reviews saying how unresponsive it is on 
 the 4, and that's without VO in the mix.
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 I currently have an iPhone 4 but plan on upgrading shortly. I've read about 
 sluggishness with iOS 7 on the iPhone 4 so am considering holding off 
 upgrading. I was wondering what people's experiences who ran prerelease 
 versions on a 4 were, or what experiences of people who do the upgrade on a 
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Re: ios 7 is out!!

2013-09-18 Thread Joseph Hudson

Hello Hannah, try turning your phone off and then turning back on again and 
then getting the update.

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 Ok thanks for lettting us no i'm trying to get it but a error accurs
 
 
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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Your creativity is really impressive Carol! What you suggested is true, but 
I wonder if it will have to be some sort of overly expensive, apple approved 
stylus since it would have to interact with the IOS device screen. Smile.

Joseph

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Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Now, if we really could get into this, I would think seriously about looking 
for a stylus! Then I can see myself really writing with my pen!

Carol P
Sent from my iPhone using MBraille

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I'm assuming it is no different than the symbolic patterns you have
learned to type Braille characters. In other words, you have learned that
you must place your fingers in a certain position to type the letter t, so
it is now a matter of teaching your brain to automatically generate that
same reflexive response to execute a single stroke from top to bottom then
another stroke from left to right to handwrite the letter T. Again, with
time and practice (just like you did when learning Braille characters), your
muscle memory can be nonconciously utilized to type words using
alpha-numeric strings of letters. I will also add that learning upper case
letter will be easier than writing lower case letters.

Joseph

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Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am
blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.

Best regards Annie.
Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:

 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive and
 it'd be nice if you can print.

 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: ios 7 is out!!

For whatever reason ITunes still shows that their is no new update but
I was able to do it over wifi. I had the same problem with an error
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Re: question about auto updating applications in new I O S

2013-09-18 Thread Phillip Tracy

You sure can, but I can't remember where it is at the moment.

Phillip Tracy

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Subject: question about auto updating applications in new I O S

Has anyone found out if you can turn the auto ap update feature off for the
new I O S?

Brent

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Re: ios 7 is out!!


Mine has been downloading and is stil on %0 it's not moving


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My seven update took almost 58 minutes!! But it's done! And it's working fine! 
Patients! You need a fast connection. Best of luck!



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Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!

I'm glad you said something about the stylus. I'll check it out though.

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 Well, I think Apple is using this word in its very literal sense, and if
 this is indeed the case, then hand-writing is an apt term. Smile.
 Printing nowadays is associated with something very different than writing,

 but you are definitely correct.

 Joseph

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 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 11:12 AM
 Subject: Re: Handwriting is here in IOS7!


 I know a little, though technically it's not handwriting, it's printing.
 Usually when people say that something is hand written, they mean cursive,
 or at least, that's what I've noticed. I'll be interested to try out this
 feature and see how it works with my horrible printing. :)


 Thanks,
 Ari

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 wrote:

 Hmm out of curiosity how many blind people can mannage handwriting. I am
 blind from birth, I have not learned handwriting.

 Best regards Annie.
 Den Sep 18, 2013 kl. 6:42 PM skrev Jenifer Barr claudas...@gmail.com:

 I wonder if it accepts print or cursive? I for one do not know cursive
 and it'd be nice if you can print.

 Jenifer Barr
 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: ios 7 is out!!


ar thanks for the idea  i wil try this


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On 18/09/2013 19:32, Joseph Hudson wrote:

Hello Hannah, try turning your phone off and then turning back on again and 
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Ok thanks for lettting us no i'm trying to get it but a error accurs


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Software update ready!


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Re: iOS 7 on iPhone 4

2013-09-18 Thread Aser Tolentino

I'm downloading it now, so if you're not sure, give me about fifteen minutes 
and then check back here to hear me lament my poor decision making. :)

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 18, 2013, at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 It's noticeably sluggish on a 4S, so I can only imagine it would be even 
 worse on a 4. I've seen mainstream reviews saying how unresponsive it is on 
 the 4, and that's without VO in the mix.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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 On 19/09/2013, at 5:40 AM, Jared jared.stoff...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I currently have an iPhone 4 but plan on upgrading shortly. I've read about 
 sluggishness with iOS 7 on the iPhone 4 so am considering holding off 
 upgrading. I was wondering what people's experiences who ran prerelease 
 versions on a 4 were, or what experiences of people who do the upgrade on a 
 4 is today?
 
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Re: question about auto updating applications in new I O S

Hi,

yes its in settings/iTunes and app store.

hth

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On Sep 18, 2013, at 2:32 PM, Phillip Tracy tracyp4...@msn.com wrote:

 You sure can, but I can't remember where it is at the moment.
 
 Phillip Tracy
 
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 Subject: question about auto updating applications in new I O S
 
 Has anyone found out if you can turn the auto ap update feature off for the
 new I O S?
 
 Brent
 
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Re: question about auto updating applications in new I O S

2013-09-18 Thread MamaPeach

I believe someone said that it is in Settings and then in iTunes And App 
Stores

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From: Phillip Tracy

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question about auto updating applications in new I O S

You sure can, but I can't remember where it is at the moment.

Phillip Tracy

-Original Message- 
From: Brent Harbolt

Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: question about auto updating applications in new I O S

Has anyone found out if you can turn the auto ap update feature off for the
new I O S?

Brent

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Re: Questions About Upgrading To The New IOS/Getting The New Iphone5S