Re: ZPE, Naked Women and UFOs
At 08:11 pm 19/12/2005 -0600, Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Grimer sez: ... Pornography deleted . Eastern understanding of the expression of our sexuality far surpasses western knowledge, the latter which, in truth, is downright prudish in comparison. Thank God for that. You sound like a real pervert Steven. Dare to explore! Certainly not. And I don't want any of those sweets, either. With a middle name like Vincent, you wouldn't be a lapsed Catholic by any chance. Corruptio Optimi Pessima Frank Grimer Ha Ha! ;-D You're close, Frank! Close! I was forced to go to a catholic elementary school while living in Taiwan back in the early 60s. I can recall memories of unbelievable cruelty pertaining to what some of those penguins did to children under their care, Forced? Who forced you? Your parents presumably. Is that what this is all about. Perhaps your father was a General Jack D. Ripper character who wanted to toughen his artistic little boy up a bit. Perhaps he ignored his pleas to be removed from the clutches of those traditional nuns who were subjecting him to unbelievable cruelty. I mean to say, if the nuns were pulling out your finger nails, applying electric shocks to your genitals and forcing you to watch as they danced around a pentacle naked, then it was pretty remiss of your parents not to remove you was it not - and I can understand you resenting it. But come on Steven, it wasn't that unbelievable, was it! After all, the sixties was before the evil of Vatican 2, the smoke of Satan had permeated its way through the Church. I too was sent to a convent school at the age of 6. I didn't like it much and rather resented it when my mother took away my sensitive elder brother (he cried a lot) and left me there - so I sympathise with your childhood experience. But to label it unbelievable cruelty. Goodness me, that is a bridge too far, isn't it Steven. And if it really was the unbelievable cruelty that you claim, surely you have a civil duty to expose it, to tell Vortexians all about it so that they don't make the mistake of committing their precious charges to such evil hypocritical mentors. Of course to do so would out the unbelievable cruelty of your parents, your own flesh and blood. What child wants to face up to that? Frank
Re: weird glow from aluminum in baking soda solution
On Dec 19, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: If the electrodes do indeed form diodes, The electrodes do indeed form diodes with high breakdown voltages, depending on the metal and electrolyte used. For example, Al and Zr, can glow, Mg and Pb produce no glow. It takes while for the diode layer to form, and that time varies significantly depending on the electrolyte used. Saturated CaO got very quick results, Na2SiO3 at 0.1 g/l took about 15 min. in one case. Al apparently forms a very thin layer, while Zr forms a thick white layer in saturated CaO electrolyte. The glow can be formed in NaOH or acetic acid electrolytes. My impression was that the glow could be suppressed by use of old electrolyte that had significant Al in it due to electrosparking. Similarly, the glow can be suppressed by use of alum for the electolyte. I did not investigate this aspect thoroughly and it could be wrong, but it *was* in my notes. Some forms (alloys) of aluminum apparently do not achieve blue glow. I had a type of aluminum wire that did not produce a blue glow even in the same electrolyte in which foil worked. That wire also formed a sludge at the bottom of the cell. However, it may be that the glow did not form in that case because electrosparks form easily on thin wires and electrosparks short out electron paths through the oxide layer. This too offers some support for your assertion below. When the electrode is conditioned and the glow is formed, the i vs V curve looks like Fig 1. (Use Courier font to view.) /| / / --/ / / /-/ / / |/ Fig 1. - i vs V curve The i vs T curve looks like Fig. 2. /\ / \ --\ /\ /..\.. \ / \ / ---/ \ / \/ Fig. 2 - i vs T for blue glow. The diode effect can be seen by replacing a conditioned electrode with a fresh electrode. One half of the trace indicates and ordinary linear ohm's law relation, while the conditioned electrode's phase shift and breakdown voltage remains evident. and the glow occurs during reverse bias, then that is when a high voltage falls across a very thin chemical layer. The glow forms when the electrode is the anode. The electron leakage current could be sufficiently accelerated to produce energetic electrons capable of exciting high energy (i.e. blue) transitions within the atoms. Fig. 1 and 2 do in fact indicate a breakdown at a threshold voltage level, which is consistent with this hypothesis. Further, when using a variac to sweep the peak voltage, the blue glow onset begins at the breakdown voltage and increases as the voltage is increased from there. It appears to be proportional to the breakdown current. This is also supportive of your hypothesis. One thing that bothers me a bit about your hypothesis though, is that the glow is the same color regardless of whether Zr or Al is used. It is the same for a Zr electrode with a very thick coating as it is for Al with a very thin coating. Additionally, If two ohmmeter probes are placed across an aluminum electrode after the experiment, they indicate nearly zero resistance. There seems to be some (instantaneous) interaction between the coating and the electrolyte that produces the large breakdown voltage. The breakdown voltage for a previously conditioned Zr electrode used in a 0.5 g/l Na2SiO3 electrolyte starts at about 320 V and drops to about 280 V as the experiment progresses. I don't think this voltage fall-off is due to temperature, because cells pre-heated to 100 Deg. C were used. I don't know what causes this. This absolute voltage I think as also a function of the electrolyte resistance, but that should *increase* as electrolyte boils off. It is of interest that, provided the electrospark regime is avoided, and appropriate electrolyte is used, the blue glow can go on almost indefinitely without destroying the electrodes. I think the glow requires suppression of the plating type reactions, e.g.: Al+++ + 3e- --- Al (at cathode) Al - 3e- -- Al+++ (at anode) I think the oxide layer, at some thickness, must prevent this. This also supports your hypothesis, in that the Al can not be oxidized. The only thing likely to be oxidized at the anode is OH-, producing OH, or HOOH, which then provides some support for recombination reactions as the source of the blue glow. This would explain why both Zr and Al produce the same color. The oxidation reaction may come from OH or HOOH produced at the anode and then diffusing and coming into contact with H3O+
Re: ZPE, and UFOs-do we realy need to say OT
At 12:55 pm 20/12/2005 +1100, Wesley Bruce wrote: Now what? Harry Now we have fallen angels masquerading as aliens as Jeff says. If you accept the existence of diabolical possession, then you have accepted the existence of fallen angels who not only can possess people but can also appear in both human and animal form. I can't see your problem, Harry. 8-) Frank It should also be noted that demon possession is not as debilitating or as spectacular as the depiction in the Movie Exorcist. Most possessed people today are making good money in businesses and on the new age fair circuit. Perhaps the following account of meddling with demons will interest Vortexians. One of my grandsons's, John Vianney Grimer, joined the Royal Marines. Now the Marines are, with the exception of the SAS, the toughest outfit in the British Forces - not that the rest are wimps. As my BRS colleague, Dr.Majumdar once remarked - One thing the British are superbly good at is fighting. That's how they managed to dominate the biggest empire ever seen with only handfuls of men. Well, after the troop had their passing out parade and received their coveted green berets, some of his mates decided it would be fun to have a ouija board session for a bit of a lark. John told them not to be so stupid. He said they had no idea what they were letting themselves in for. Of course being full of their own toughness and fighting spirit, they laughed him to scorn. John refused to take any part in the proceeding and left for the canteen. When he came back to his barrack he found a very different atmosphere. He never found out exactly what happened but what ever it was had scared these tough British Marines, on the eve of leaving to fight in Afghanistan, absolutely shitless. So much so that the squaddie in the next bunk couldn't get to sleep and asked John if he could borrow his rosary. Frank Grimer
Re: Lithium-Hydrogen Phase Diagram
Is there a phase that the H- anion will plate out? http://www.soton.ac.uk/~pasr1/ http://fusion.anl.gov/ALPS_Info_Center/2004-12-06/presentations/6.5bOlczak.pdf Hansen, M., Anderko, K. (1958), Constitution of Binary Alloys. New York: McGraw-Hill, Fred
Re: Lithium-Hydrogen Phase Diagram
How about fused Lithium-Lithium Hydride-Lithium BoroHydride (Li-LiH-LiBH4)? Fred - Original Message - From: Frederick Sparber To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: 12/20/2005 5:40:49 AM Subject: Re: Lithium-Hydrogen Phase Diagram Is there a phase that the H- anion will plate out? http://www.soton.ac.uk/~pasr1/ http://fusion.anl.gov/ALPS_Info_Center/2004-12-06/presentations/6.5bOlczak.pdf Hansen, M., Anderko, K. (1958), Constitution of Binary Alloys. New York: McGraw-Hill, Fred
Re: Beta Aether Analog?
Is this close, Frank? :-) http://www.soton.ac.uk/~pasr1/steels.htm#page1 Cement Tight? Fred
Re: Lautzenhiser paper uploaded
Lovely paper, with what appear to be ironclad results. I had a couple questions about this to which I thought you might know the answers. At the end of the paper they mention the Phillips-Oppenheimer process in which D+Pd = H+Ag, and say that, though it was not possible to test for the presence of silver in the electrode after this experiment, they hoped to do such tests in the future. Do you know if they -- or anyone else -- have since run a CF cell long enough so that they could sensibly hope that a detectible amount of silver might be generated? Has that reaction been ruled out by later tests, or is it still a contender? The other item that I noticed is that they seemed to have been working with just a single Pd electrode in this and their earlier work. Do you know if it turned out to be a magic electrode? I.e., did their later work with other electrodes run into reproducibility problems? And if not ... why did Amoco drop the line of research? (At least, I assume they did; this was 15 years ago and Amoco is not a household word in cold fusion research, at least around my house.) Jed Rothwell wrote: For a long time I have been wanting to upload this paper: Lautzenhiser, T. and D. Phelps, /Cold Fusion: Report on a Recent Amoco Experiment/. 1990, Amoco Production Company. This is an important part of the early history of cold fusion. But I could not find a complete, clean copy. I finally found one. The paper is here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Lautzenhiscoldfusion.pdf - Jed
OFF TOPIC Thanks to the F.B.I. we are safe from llama fur protesters!
Here is a surrealistic quote from today's New York Times. It seems that since 9/11 the F.B.I. has spared no effort to protect American citizens from evildoers everywhere: One F.B.I. document indicates that agents in Indianapolis planned to conduct surveillance as part of a 'Vegan Community Project.' Another document talks of the Catholic Workers group's 'semi-communistic ideology.' A third indicates the bureau's interest in determining the location of a protest over llama fur planned by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. - Jed
Re: Lautzenhiser paper uploaded
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Do you know if they -- or anyone else -- have since run a CF cell long enough so that they could sensibly hope that a detectible amount of silver might be generated? I do not think so. They did not have many successful runs after this. The other item that I noticed is that they seemed to have been working with just a single Pd electrode in this and their earlier work. Do you know if it turned out to be a magic electrode? I.e., did their later work with other electrodes run into reproducibility problems? I believe that is what happened, but I will ask them. And if not ... why did Amoco drop the line of research? They were never enthusiastic about it in the first place. As I recall the researchers were not able to easily reproduce or scale up the results, and Amoco lost interest. The researchers also told me that Amoco management said that most scientists consider cold fusion crackpot nonsense so they did not want the company associated with it. This is also the reason most research in India ended after Srinivasan, Iengar and others retired. Hard line skeptics who knew nothing about the research took over management positions and banned the experiments because, they said, the Indian government does not conduct pathological science. Public opinion affects decisions about scientific project funding to a surprising extent. The decision makers themselves do not realize how much they are affected by newspaper reports and the like. - Jed
Re: ZPE, Naked Women and UFOs
Grimer sez: ... I was forced to go to a catholic elementary school while living in Taiwan back in the early 60s. I can recall memories of unbelievable cruelty pertaining to what some of those penguins did to children under their care, Forced? Who forced you? Your parents presumably. Is that what this is all about. Perhaps your father was a General Jack D. Ripper character who wanted to toughen his artistic little boy up a bit. Perhaps he ignored his pleas to be removed from the clutches of those traditional nuns who were subjecting him to unbelievable cruelty. I mean to say, if the nuns were pulling out your finger nails, applying electric shocks to your genitals and forcing you to watch as they danced around a pentacle naked, then it was pretty remiss of your parents not to remove you was it not - and I can understand you resenting it. But come on Steven, it wasn't that unbelievable, was it! After all, the sixties was before the evil of Vatican 2, the smoke of Satan had permeated its way through the Church. I too was sent to a convent school at the age of 6. I didn't like it much and rather resented it when my mother took away my sensitive elder brother (he cried a lot) and left me there - so I sympathise with your childhood experience. But to label it unbelievable cruelty. Goodness me, that is a bridge too far, isn't it Steven. And if it really was the unbelievable cruelty that you claim, surely you have a civil duty to expose it, to tell Vortexians all about it so that they don't make the mistake of committing their precious charges to such evil hypocritical mentors. Of course to do so would out the unbelievable cruelty of your parents, your own flesh and blood. What child wants to face up to that? Frank Yes, I would call it being forced. As a child what choice did I have but to accept what my parents felt was best for me and my education. You seem speak of physical torture. I'm speaking of the psychological damage I witnessed. I could go on about some of the psychological cruelty I witnessed by the hands of those penguins, but I don't think that's getting to the real issue here. Tell me Frank. Was it my comment about the expression and exploration of Eastern sexuality and how it appears to be far more advanced than our quaint western prudery. Is that what is really bothering you about me and why you appear to have felt compelled to denigrate my parental heritage? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: ZPE, and UFOs-do we realy need to say OT
Grimer sez: ... When he came back to his barrack he found a very different atmosphere. He never found out exactly what happened but what ever it was had scared these tough British Marines, on the eve of leaving to fight in Afghanistan, absolutely shitless. So much so that the squaddie in the next bunk couldn't get to sleep and asked John if he could borrow his rosary. Frank Grimer Whoever was jerking their chains from the other side were probably laughing their heads off too. I don't think the art of practical jokes die when we die. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: ZPE, Naked Women and UFOs
At 10:11 am 20/12/2005 -0600, Steven wrote: Grimer sez: ... I was forced to go to a catholic elementary school while living in Taiwan back in the early 60s. I can recall memories of unbelievable cruelty pertaining to what some of those penguins did to children under their care, Forced? Who forced you? Your parents presumably. Is that what this is all about. Perhaps your father was a General Jack D. Ripper character who wanted to toughen his artistic little boy up a bit. Perhaps he ignored his pleas to be removed from the clutches of those traditional nuns who were subjecting him to unbelievable cruelty. I mean to say, if the nuns were pulling out your finger nails, applying electric shocks to your genitals and forcing you to watch as they danced around a pentacle naked, then it was pretty remiss of your parents not to remove you was it not - and I can understand you resenting it. But come on Steven, it wasn't that unbelievable, was it! After all, the sixties was before the evil of Vatican 2, the smoke of Satan had permeated its way through the Church. I too was sent to a convent school at the age of 6. I didn't like it much and rather resented it when my mother took away my sensitive elder brother (he cried a lot) and left me there - so I sympathise with your childhood experience. But to label it unbelievable cruelty. Goodness me, that is a bridge too far, isn't it Steven. And if it really was the unbelievable cruelty that you claim, surely you have a civil duty to expose it, to tell Vortexians all about it so that they don't make the mistake of committing their precious charges to such evil hypocritical mentors. Of course to do so would out the unbelievable cruelty of your parents, your own flesh and blood. What child wants to face up to that? Frank Yes, I would call it being forced. As a child what choice did I have but to accept what my parents felt was best for me and my education. You could have done what my brother did and cried until you were taken away. You seem speak of physical torture. I'm speaking of the psychological damage I witnessed. Oh! it's all psychological now is it? How convenient. No rack or thumbscrews as tangible evidence of abuse. Dearie me - another Prince Edward. Like him, you wouldn't last 5 minutes in the British Marine Commando Corps. Now there you would witness real psychological torture - for the very good reason that people who can't take it aren't going to be much use in battle. What you saw as psychological torture others would no doubt see as good old fashioned discipline without which people grow up as self-centered effete wastrels. snip ...you appear to have felt compelled to denigrate my parental heritage? That's rich. It was you who denigrated your parental heritage as you put it, by implication. There you were, a psychologically frail little child, traumatized by nuns so much that you even have to refer to them obliquely as penguins, and your parents are so unfeeling as to force you to stay at this horrible establishment where in your estimation children are psychologically tortured - parents so unaware of your pain that they don't take you away? But as I said - perhaps it is too painful for you to accept that you have traduced your parents. Nevertheless, believe it or not, I do sympathise. We can't all live up to parental expectations. 8-) Cheers, Frank
Re: Lautzenhiser paper uploaded
Stephen A. Lawrence writes, 2) Possible depeletion of an unrecognized active material I don't believe depletion is an issue. Not in every situation, but in the Mizuno cryogenic experiments, for instance, the very substantial (high sigma) neutron effect goes away totally and entirely after several thousand seconds... and he repeated it ten times, if memory serves. There are many other less-dramatic instances of a possible depletion-effect, and someone should at least collect them into an organized database. I'll put that on my to-do list... Jones
BMW ICE Steam Hybrid
Finally, someone finds a practical way to use the wasted ICE heat: http://www.gizmag.com/go/4936/ The concept uses energy from the exhaust gasses of the traditional Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) to power a steam engine which also contributes power to the automobile ? an overall 15 per cent improvement for the combined drive system. ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
Re: Correa attacks Wikipedia
Gosh Bill, Now I feel bad for using a free email and online handle. What's in a name? Is a long-used handle any more or less informative than the name your parents gave you? A family name tells where you came from. A nickname tells what your friends think about you. A Nom de Cyber tells what you feel about yourself. I go by Merlyn because thats simply the way I think of myself. My real name (for those interested) is Adam Thomas Cox, and I'm from Wichita, Ks. Since anyone can claim to be anything online, the answer is not to demand a proven identity, but perhaps to demand an identity with some history behind it. BTW Bill, thanks for not requiring a verified email addy instead of the pay ones, it would complicate thinks greatly. Adam --- William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 16 Dec 2005, Steven Krivit wrote: Bill B's got a good point. This is one of the aspects which makes Vortex such a valuable group. Most people are willing to identify themselves and stand behind their words. In observing (or fighting with) flamer types over the years, I noticed that one of the major characteristics that reliably defines flamer is... anonymity! Serious people give their real names (and often provide a message sig with personal website, city, etc.) Immature or abusive people use handles. snip (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-789-0775unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci Merlyn Magickal Engineer and Technical Metaphysicist __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: ZPE, Naked Women and UFOs
Chi has very little to do with accumulation. Like most energies, it is only useful when flowing. Intercourse doesn't really deplete male chi anymore than it depletes female chi, it simply connects the 2 energy networks, allowing for an exchange. To reiterate IMHO you cannot 'lose' chi. You cannot 'have' chi. You are merely a conduit for a flow of energy which neither begins nor ends within your self. You are like a dam across a river, controlling a small portion of the flow available and using it to do useful work. In the end, life is what you make it. Merlyn Swimmer in the Chi --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack suffered from loss of Chi. He would not have destroyed the world had he practiced Sexual ChiKong, sexual orgasm without ejaculation: http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case8792.htm Chi, BTW, is believed to be related to the ZPE, Orgone energy, etc. (by some). -Original Message- From: OrionWorks Yes a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I was able to interpret these feelings correctly: loss of essence. ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Re: BMW ICE Steam Hybrid
becuase... running a sirling off the heat from the engine coolant and block is innefficient? On 12/20/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally, someone finds a practical way to use the wasted ICE heat: http://www.gizmag.com/go/4936/The concept uses energy from the exhaust gasses of the traditionalInternal Combustion Engine (ICE) to power a steam engine which alsocontributes power to the automobile ? an overall 15 per cent improvement for the combined drive system.___Try the New Netscape Mail Today!Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com-- Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to writeVoltaire
Re: BMW ICE Steam Hybrid
If so, all ya gotta do is make the post heat-exchange exhaust pipe bigger. -Original Message- From: Merlyn Yup, but do they run into problems with backpressure? ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com
energy production method
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Re: weird glow from aluminum in baking soda solution
On Dec 20, 2005, at 8:50 AM, I wrote: The diode effect then essentially comes from the difference in mobility of protons vs OH- through the anode interface layer. That should say: The diode effect then essentially comes from the difference in mobility of protons through the cathode interface layer vs OH- through the anode interface layer. Continuing this line of thought, if neutral OH is indeed created at the anode then OH- is a principle charge carrier of the cell (no surprise). However, this leaves the problem of why there is the lack of hydrogen creation at the cathode. The hydrogen creating cathode reaction 2 H3O+ + 2 e- --- H2 + 2 H2O must be suppressed. This means H3O+ radicals must be suppressed. Additionally, for each charge carried to the anode there must be a similar charge carried to the cathode, otherwise electrolyte neutrality is not maintained. Charge density everywhere in an electrolyte, except at the interface, is neutral. Here is another candidate reaction for glow creation: OH + H3O+ --- OH+ + H2O Another is: HOOH + H3O+ --- H2O + HOOH- There are also a number of other essentially neutral reactions involving OH, H2O, and HOOH that must have equilibrium points as well. However, the current is carried and there must be a cation reaction at the cathode involving that cation and that does not create hydrogen. A logical reaction is: OH+ + e- --- H2O Very strange. Is it possible that H2O double layer encapsulated OH+ and OH- ions migrate past each other in the electrolyte without annihilation? Perhaps another candidate for the blue glow is just OH- + OH+ = HOOH or OH- + OH+ = 2 OH This all seems a bit weird. However *something* must eliminate H3O+ from the cathode vicinity.
Re: BMW ICE Steam Hybrid
leaking pen wrote: becuase... running a sirling off the heat from the engine coolant and block is innefficient? Who says the actual engines they're using aren't similar to Stirling engines? They pipe the hot fluids to a pair of expansion units but the article doesn't say what's inside those units. In any case recapturing 80% of the exhaust heat sounds pretty impressive to me. Looks like they had a glance at steam locomotives before they designed it :-) ... notice that both circuits, low and hi temp, first make steam (or should we say steam -- not sure it's actually water they're boiling!) and then superheat it at the back of the exhaust pipe? The old steam locomotives used a very similar trick, boiling the water and then running the steam through the boiler again before using it. Of course the second pass is upstream of the first pass in the exhaust circuit. Did you notice the photo of a man holding his hand on the exhaust pipe with the engine operating? Pretty cool... Notice also that both system, low and high temp, use the radiator of the car for the cold reservoir. The first stage of the low-temp circuit appears to suck hot water directly from the engine and dump the heat from it into the radiator. In fact, the diagrams make it appear as though there is no longer any direct connection from the engine to the radiator. And elsewhere, Merlyn said: Yup, but do they run into problems with backpressure? Cooling the exhaust necessitates that it becomes denser. I have heard that backpressure can be a problem with exhaust cooling, but do not have the references handy. [Again, that's Merlyn, not LP!] I would suspect not, for a couple reasons. First, muffling an engine puts a _lot_ of backpressure on it, and takes away about 10% of its power IIRC. (This is one reason small airplanes are often so noisy -- a muffler would be too big a power drain.) But note that they can probably ditch at least one muffler when they put this in the exhaust system: going through a heat exchanger very probably has about the same effect on the noise as going over the baffles of a conventional muffler. So, they're most likely trading one source of backpressure for another, rather than just adding one. (I assume BMW's normally have more than one muffler, of course!) Second, boat engines have used water-cooled manifolds for just about ever and they apparently work just fine. No doubt a little power is stolen, but that's the only bad consequence AFAIK. And according to the numbers, BMW's seeing a significant increase in power from this, so they're clearly reclaiming more energy than they're losing through the backpressure increase. Keep in mind that the cost of the backpressure is really just the cost of pumping the exhaust through the heat-exchanger. Surely, one can arrange a heat-exchanger to extract more heat from hot gasses than the pump that operates it consumes; otherwise steam engines couldn't work! On 12/20/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally, someone finds a practical way to use the wasted ICE heat: http://www.gizmag.com/go/4936/ The concept uses energy from the exhaust gasses of the traditional Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) to power a steam engine which also contributes power to the automobile ? an overall 15 per cent improvement for the combined drive system. ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -- Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write Voltaire
Re: ZPE, Naked Women and UFOs
Grimer wrote: Of course to do so would out the unbelievable cruelty of your parents, your own flesh and blood. What child wants to face up to that? Frank May be it is a case of parental naivete rather than cruelty. Harry
Re: ZPE, Naked Women and UFOs
Grimer sez: ... Yes, I would call it being forced. As a child what choice did I have but to accept what my parents felt was best for me and my education. You could have done what my brother did and cried until you were taken away. I gather you didn't approve of your brother's tactic. I'm curious, do you get along with him? You seem speak of physical torture. I'm speaking of the psychological damage I witnessed. Oh! it's all psychological now is it? How convenient. No rack or thumbscrews as tangible evidence of abuse. Psychological abuse is often more tangible and more lasting than physical abuse, particularly when being applied against impressionable children. Surely you've learned that. Dearie me - another Prince Edward. Like him, you wouldn't last 5 minutes in the British Marine Commando Corps. Now there you would witness real psychological torture - for the very good reason that people who can't take it aren't going to be much use in battle. What you saw as psychological torture others would no doubt see as good old fashioned discipline without which people grow up as self-centered effete wastrels. That's b_ll sh_t. I suspect you disagree. ... ...you appear to have felt compelled to denigrate my parental heritage? That's rich. It was you who denigrated your parental heritage as you put it, by implication. There you were, a psychologically frail little child, traumatized by nuns so much that you even have to refer to them obliquely as penguins, and your parents are so unfeeling as to force you to stay at this horrible establishment where in your estimation children are psychologically tortured - parents so unaware of your pain that they don't take you away? But as I said - perhaps it is too painful for you to accept that you have traduced your parents. Nevertheless, believe it or not, I do sympathise. We can't all live up to parental expectations. 8-) You don't seem to like my opinions very much, do you. Suit yourself. FWIW, I always find it highly revealing of the character of the individual who feels compelled to attack the character of others with endless speculative innuendo. BTW, you still didn't answer my previous question: Was it my comments about the vast knowledge and expression of Eastern sexuality that exists out there for the pickings that appears to have bothered you enough to speculate on the possibility that I am a pervert? Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: A Conductive Jet Switch?
Frederick Sparber wrote: Reminiscent of the early 1940's when a neighbor kid urinated on an electric fence,Once. My first thought on reading this was Ouch!!. It reminds me of a tale I heard of a drunk taking a leak on the third rail of the subway, for an even bigger ouch. But my second thought was, How can this work??? Something's weird here! I'm sure we all know what a stream of urine looks like -- sparkly, not smooth. And I expect we all know why: like the ubiquitous displays in science museums of a stream of falling water with a strobe light flashing on it, which freezes the stream as a line of little beads when the strobe's set just right, the stream breaks up into droplets very early -- long before it would actually hit anything. So, at the point of contact with the wire, the stream is actually a line of separate falling drops. It's not a continuous stream, at all. But for these tales to be true, the stream must conduct electricity. How can a line of disjoint drops conduct electricity? Are these stories of disastrous encounters with electric fences and third rails all apocryphal, or is there some mechanism by which current can flow through a discontiguous line of water droplets? Fred - Original Message - *From:* Frederick Sparber mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To: *vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* 12/17/2005 5:52:07 AM *Subject:* Re: A Conductive Jet Switch? Since exploding wire technology is employed to maximize energy density, but is slow and cumbersome, why not a jet of electrolyte or metal to effect kilojoule-megajoule energy discharge of capacitor banks? For instance a pool of Lithium Hydroxide Electrolyte, D2 Gas, or D2O on top of a Cathode Pool of Mercury with an insulation-sleeved Tungsten-Tipped Anode in a sealed chamber, triggered by electro-hydraulic actuation of a plunger-orifice device in the pool? Fred
Re: BMW ICE Steam Hybrid
okay, i hadnt looked that close at the schematics. you're right, they ARE using the other waste heat as well. On 12/20/05, Stephen A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: leaking pen wrote: becuase...running a sirling off the heat from the engine coolant and block is innefficient?Who says the actual engines they're using aren't similar to Stirlingengines?They pipe the hot fluids to a pair of expansion units butthe article doesn't say what's inside those units. In any case recapturing 80% of the exhaust heat sounds pretty impressiveto me.Looks like they had a glance at steam locomotives before they designedit :-) ... notice that both circuits, low and hi temp, first make steam (or should we say steam -- not sure it's actually water they'reboiling!) and then superheat it at the back of the exhaust pipe?Theold steam locomotives used a very similar trick, boiling the water and then running the steam through the boiler again before using it.Ofcourse the second pass is upstream of the first pass in the exhaustcircuit.Did you notice the photo of a man holding his hand on the exhaust pipe with the engine operating?Pretty cool...Notice also that both system, low and high temp, use the radiator of thecar for the cold reservoir.The first stage of the low-temp circuit appears to suck hot water directly from the engine and dump the heatfrom it into the radiator.In fact, the diagrams make it appear asthough there is no longer any direct connection from the engine to the radiator.And elsewhere, Merlyn said: Yup, but do they run into problems with backpressure? Cooling the exhaust necessitates that it becomes denser.I have heard that backpressure can be a problem with exhaust cooling, but do not have the references handy.[Again, that's Merlyn, not LP!]I would suspect not, for a couple reasons.First, muffling an engine puts a _lot_ of backpressure on it, and takes away about 10% of its power IIRC.(This is one reason small airplanesare often so noisy -- a muffler would be too big a power drain.)Butnote that they can probably ditch at least one muffler when they put this in the exhaust system:going through a heat exchanger veryprobably has about the same effect on the noise as going over thebaffles of a conventional muffler.So, they're most likely trading onesource of backpressure for another, rather than just adding one.(I assume BMW's normally have more than one muffler, of course!)Second, boat engines have used water-cooled manifolds for just aboutever and they apparently work just fine.No doubt a little power isstolen, but that's the only bad consequence AFAIK.And according to the numbers, BMW's seeing a significant increase in power from this, sothey're clearly reclaiming more energy than they're losing through thebackpressure increase.Keep in mind that the cost of the backpressure is really just the cost of pumping the exhaust through the heat-exchanger.Surely, onecan arrange a heat-exchanger to extract more heat from hot gasses thanthe pump that operates it consumes; otherwise steam engines couldn't work! On 12/20/05, *[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally, someone finds a practical way to use the wasted ICE heat: http://www.gizmag.com/go/4936/ The concept uses energy from the exhaust gasses of the traditional Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) to power a steam engine which also contributes power to the automobile ? an overall 15 per cent improvement for the combined drive system. ___ Try the New Netscape Mail Today! Virtually Spam-Free | More Storage | Import Your Contact List http://mail.netscape.com -- Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to writeVoltaire-- Monsieur l'abbé, I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to writeVoltaire
Re: A Conductive Jet Switch?
As the listener to a series of stories about electric fences, let me assure you, they do hurt when peed on! My grandfather did it once, and for the rest of his life, he'd pass down the family wisdom (just about the time he opened his third beer) Boy, don't ever piss on an electric fence, he would tell me. It made quite an impression on him, and I think from that point forward his interest in women was purely gallant--but that may have been because of the heart problems... The third rail is rather impressive. At 600 volts, DC, and who knows how many amps (thousands?) it is dangerous. I worked on the 4th Avenue subway reconstruction in Brooklyn in the late eighties, and we would light the tunnels with five 120V lamps in series, mounted on a paddle, with insulated leads and huge alligator clips. We always placed the return before hooking to the live rail, and you could see a spark jump as contact was made. I remember about that same time a motorman was electrocuted when he came down out of the train in a flooded section of track. We paid a lot of attention to it, and were very respectful. People do a lot of urinating in the subway tunnels, but not on the third rail! You do get an arc across a single opening, but I don't think you would get an arc at medium voltages across multiple openings in the circuit or flow. Of course at high voltages, we get incredible arcs--across wide spaces and multiple streams--like lightning, for instance. The crucial question would be what voltage? Once established, an arc will continue until such time as the space becomes too long to jump. That's the principle we utilize for electric welding. We strike the arc, and then back off slightly to create the proper conditions for the transfer of metal--although the rod held to the same welding position before an arc is struck will not create the arc-over. To a certain point, lengthening the arc increases the heat, at least to my untrained eye. As to the original question about the electric fence, a flow is needed, but it only need be a steady stream between the fence and the sensitive parts gr. Mike Wood, Cincinnati Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Frederick Sparber wrote: Reminiscent of the early 1940's when a neighbor kid urinated on an electric fence,Once. My first thought on reading this was Ouch!!. It reminds me of a tale I heard of a drunk taking a leak on the third rail of the subway, for an even bigger ouch. But my second thought was, How can this work??? Something's weird here! I'm sure we all know what a stream of urine looks like -- sparkly, not smooth. And I expect we all know why: like the ubiquitous displays in science museums of a stream of falling water with a strobe light flashing on it, which freezes the stream as a line of little beads when the strobe's set just right, the stream breaks up into droplets very early -- long before it would actually hit anything. So, at the point of contact with the wire, the stream is actually a line of separate falling drops. It's not a continuous stream, at all. But for these tales to be true, the stream must conduct electricity. How can a line of disjoint drops conduct electricity? Are these stories of disastrous encounters with electric fences and third rails all apocryphal, or is there some mechanism by which current can flow through a discontiguous line of water droplets? Fred - Original Message - *From:* Frederick Sparber mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To: *vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* 12/17/2005 5:52:07 AM *Subject:* Re: A Conductive Jet Switch? Since exploding wire technology is employed to maximize energy density, but is slow and cumbersome, why not a jet of electrolyte or metal to effect kilojoule-megajoule energy discharge of capacitor banks? For instance a pool of Lithium Hydroxide Electrolyte, D2 Gas, or D2O on top of a Cathode Pool of Mercury with an insulation-sleeved Tungsten-Tipped Anode in a sealed chamber, triggered by electro-hydraulic actuation of a plunger-orifice device in the pool? Fred
Re: A Conductive Jet Switch?
Stephen. The pee exit height (PEH) of a kid aiming the stream upward to achieve contact with an electric fence allows for a solid stream as opposed to a falling gravity-accelerated stream that puts the stream in tensile stress, causing break-up into droplets. High conductivity too, if the electrolytes are up to par. Sort of an Arc de Triumph kind of thing. You can see the effect of tensile stress on a falling stream at the faucet. Fred [Original Message] From: Michael Wood, Cincinnati [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: 12/20/2005 2:28:47 PM Subject: Re: A Conductive Jet Switch? As the listener to a series of stories about electric fences, let me assure you, they do hurt when peed on! My grandfather did it once, and for the rest of his life, he'd pass down the family wisdom (just about the time he opened his third beer) Boy, don't ever piss on an electric fence, he would tell me. It made quite an impression on him, and I think from that point forward his interest in women was purely gallant--but that may have been because of the heart problems... The third rail is rather impressive. At 600 volts, DC, and who knows how many amps (thousands?) it is dangerous. I worked on the 4th Avenue subway reconstruction in Brooklyn in the late eighties, and we would light the tunnels with five 120V lamps in series, mounted on a paddle, with insulated leads and huge alligator clips. We always placed the return before hooking to the live rail, and you could see a spark jump as contact was made. I remember about that same time a motorman was electrocuted when he came down out of the train in a flooded section of track. We paid a lot of attention to it, and were very respectful. People do a lot of urinating in the subway tunnels, but not on the third rail! You do get an arc across a single opening, but I don't think you would get an arc at medium voltages across multiple openings in the circuit or flow. Of course at high voltages, we get incredible arcs--across wide spaces and multiple streams--like lightning, for instance. The crucial question would be what voltage? Once established, an arc will continue until such time as the space becomes too long to jump. That's the principle we utilize for electric welding. We strike the arc, and then back off slightly to create the proper conditions for the transfer of metal--although the rod held to the same welding position before an arc is struck will not create the arc-over. To a certain point, lengthening the arc increases the heat, at least to my untrained eye. As to the original question about the electric fence, a flow is needed, but it only need be a steady stream between the fence and the sensitive parts gr. Mike Wood, Cincinnati Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Frederick Sparber wrote: Reminiscent of the early 1940's when a neighbor kid urinated on an electric fence,Once. My first thought on reading this was Ouch!!. It reminds me of a tale I heard of a drunk taking a leak on the third rail of the subway, for an even bigger ouch. But my second thought was, How can this work??? Something's weird here! I'm sure we all know what a stream of urine looks like -- sparkly, not smooth. And I expect we all know why: like the ubiquitous displays in science museums of a stream of falling water with a strobe light flashing on it, which freezes the stream as a line of little beads when the strobe's set just right, the stream breaks up into droplets very early -- long before it would actually hit anything. So, at the point of contact with the wire, the stream is actually a line of separate falling drops. It's not a continuous stream, at all. But for these tales to be true, the stream must conduct electricity. How can a line of disjoint drops conduct electricity? Are these stories of disastrous encounters with electric fences and third rails all apocryphal, or is there some mechanism by which current can flow through a discontiguous line of water droplets? Fred - Original Message - *From:* Frederick Sparber mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To: *vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* 12/17/2005 5:52:07 AM *Subject:* Re: A Conductive Jet Switch? Since exploding wire technology is employed to maximize energy density, but is slow and cumbersome, why not a jet of electrolyte or metal to effect kilojoule-megajoule energy discharge of capacitor banks? For instance a pool of Lithium Hydroxide Electrolyte, D2 Gas, or D2O on top of a Cathode Pool of Mercury with an insulation-sleeved Tungsten-Tipped Anode in a sealed chamber, triggered by electro-hydraulic actuation of a plunger-orifice device in the pool? Fred
Re: weird glow from aluminum in baking soda solution
The diode effect must essentially come from the difference in mobility of protons through the cathode interface layer vs OH- through the anode interface layer. Continuing this line of thought, and the bumbling and stumbling around, if neutral OH is indeed created at the anode then OH- is a principle charge carrier of the cell, but possibly only in the close proximity to the anode. The standard (net) oxygen creating anode reaction, hydronium reduction, is: 4 OH- --- 2 H2O + O2 + 4 e- (anode) The (net) hydrogen creating cathode reaction is 2 H3O+ + 2 e- --- H2 + 2 H2O (cathode) I have run a cell using full wave rectified DC and having a aluminum anode preconditioned with AC in a 0.1 M Na2SiO3 electrolyte. The anode glow was sustained on the anode and no glow was present on the cathode. Gas production was less than similar DC between two Pb electrodes, for similar current, if I recall correctly. I don't see any sensible way the gas generated per amp-second could be changed, so I have to question my recollection on this. There is no clear reason for a change in Faradaic efficiency, especially a *reduction* in Faradaic efficiency. The only means I can see for this would be a conduction path for electrons, and no substantial path for electrons apparently exists. It *does* still seem reasonable that a barrier to ions between the cathode surface and the electrolyte would force the anode current to mostly involve: OH- --- OH + e- and this reaction would offhand seem to require substantial penetration of the anode interface layer by the hydroxyl radical OH-. Other anions would seem to be less likely to make the exchange due to large size. At this point it seems reasonable that the stripping of the electron possibly occurs with great frequency when the hydroxyl radical is separated from the anode by the first atomic layer of the anode interface. This effect could only happen in the presence of a screening layer that prevents current flowing from the anode to the electrolyte via positively charged metal ions. Such an ion current would reduce the voltage drop across the interface to a few volts. With the ion screen in place, only electron motion can make the current flow. Given a voltage drop across the interface of 200 V, and a thickness of the nonconducting layer near the anode as 20 angstroms, the electrostatic field would be 2x10^12 V/m. This should be plenty strong enough to strip an electron from the OH- and drive it as a free electron through the water molecules of the interface. Such an ionizing influence would have the power to disassociate water, and subsequently cause the recombining of the products. Therefore, recombination may well be the cause of the blue-green glow. This would explain why the color of the glow on Al and Zr anodes is the same color. It seems this set of assumptions explains the known results, other than my recollection of a reduced Faradaic efficiency, a recollection which may well be flawed. This free electron regime may possibly facilitate electron catalyzed fusion. Have we been paying attention to the wrong electrode?
First Publicly Traded Cold Fusion Company
Does anyone know of any other publicly-traded company or subsidiary besides D2Fusion that exists which is exclusively geared toward RD or commercialization of cold fusion? Thank you, Steve
Re: weird glow from aluminum in baking soda solution
On Dec 20, 2005, at 3:33 PM, I wrote: Given a voltage drop across the interface of 200 V, and a thickness of the nonconducting layer near the anode as 20 angstroms, the electrostatic field would be 2x10^12 V/m. This should have said: Given a voltage drop across the interface of 120 V, and a thickness of the nonconducting layer near the anode as 4 angstroms, the electrostatic field would be 3x10^11 V/m, or over 30 V/ (hydrogen atomic radius). OK, so there is a short version of this answer. On Dec 19, 2005, at 9:50 AM, William Beaty wrote: In a dark room, the electrodes glow. See http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/borax.htm What is the mechanism? An aluminum oxide layer grows on the surface of the electrodes to a thickness which prevent ion flow to or from the electrode. This layer passes electrons however, either through conduction or through tunneling. The effect of this layer is to create a zone free of ions, and having a very strong electric field, about 300 trillion volts per meter. Current to the anode is conveyed by electrons stripped from negative ions in the electrolyte and which accelerate and disrupt water molecules in the ion free zone on their way to the anode. The products of this disruption, various forms of hydrogen and oxygen, then recombine to form water, and in the process of recombination emit the characteristic blue-green glow of this recombination. Hopefully this is a correct answer. However, as a response from an unqualified and doddering old amateur, it is not to be trusted! 8^)
Re: weird glow from aluminum in baking soda solution
Sometimes I can't get anything right! Sorry. One more time ... On Dec 19, 2005, at 9:50 AM, William Beaty wrote: In a dark room, the electrodes glow. See http://home.earthlink.net/~lenyr/borax.htm What is the mechanism? An aluminum oxide layer grows on the surface of the electrodes to a thickness which prevent ion flow to or from the electrode. This layer passes electrons however, either through conduction or through tunneling. The effect of this layer is to create a zone free of ions, and having a very strong electric field, about 300 billion volts per meter. Current to the anode is conveyed by electrons stripped from negative ions in the electrolyte and which accelerate and disrupt water molecules in the ion free zone on their way to the anode. The products of this disruption, various forms of hydrogen and oxygen, then recombine to form water, and in the process of recombination emit the characteristic blue-green glow of this recombination. The ion free layer, the anode interface, creates a diode effect. The diode effect comes from the difference in the high mobility of protons through the cathode interface layer vs the low mobility of big negative ions through the anode interface layer. Hopefully this is a correct answer. However, as a response from an unqualified and doddering old amateur, it is not to be trusted! 8^) Regards, Horace Heffner
Re: Space Tourist Trade
Fredick Spaber posted Sir Richard Bransonís Virgin Galactic space travel company has ironed out an agreement to utilize a futuristic spaceport to be built in New Mexico, with first flights One of the interviewees on C to C AM said that Sir Richard's proposed design for the New Mexico space port involves several hundred of millions of dollars worth of excavation. Part of this investment is Sir Richard's, but the state of New Mexico is putting up a significant sum too. This begs the question of which way Sir Richard wants to go, alternatively, perhaps some of the customers will come from the underground. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
RE: DON'T PANIC!
Various posters on this thread suggested burying the biomass and then waiting for it to be digested into methane. I would like to suggest that engineered bioreactors and enzymes taylored to the specific job would be a more efficient way of fuel production. My friend told me about a process for converting corn stocks into ethanol, which may have been the same or a similar method discussed in a threat on this group last fall. You have the right idea... But not much biomass around them, eh? To make the logistics cost effective, proximity to population concentrations is essential. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: First Publicly Traded Cold Fusion Company
Steven Krivit wrote: Does anyone know of any other publicly-traded company or subsidiary besides D2Fusion that exists which is exclusively geared toward RD or commercialization of cold fusion? No, but I have another question for anyone who can answer it. On the front page to D2Fusion, http://www.d2fusion.com/ I noticed that they say of cold fusion that it was: First discovered in the 1930s then re-discovered and announced in 1989, Furthermore, in a paper Jed posted a few days back, http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ArataYdevelopmenb.pdf there was a reference to a thermonuclear fusion experiment in Japan in 1933 which apparently wasn't pursued because they couldn't buy deuterium. Jed said he had no idea what this was in reference to; could it have been connected in some way to whatever the D2Fusion page is referring to? What, exactly, happened with fusion research, cold or hot, in the 1930's? As far as I knew, fusion research didn't start until much later than that, but these two references seem to suggest that the groundwork for cold fusion was laid at that time. (Has this been discussed on Vortex before? I did a quick lookup on Google for fusion and 1933 without turning up anything interesting, and scanned back over the last couple years of Vortex looking for subjects containing d2fusion and didn't find anything more.) Fission reactor work started in the 1930's, of course, and the Nazis started working on a nuclear bomb some time in the late 1930's or early 1940's, but aside from the references in that paper and website, I've never heard anything about any kind of actual fusion experiments in the 1930's. Jed posted an Thank you, Steve
Re: weird glow from aluminum in baking soda solution
On Tue, 20 Dec 2005, Michael Foster wrote: I don't think its accurate to refer to this as electroluminescence. It's more like electro-scintillation. If you look at the electrode under about 40X magnification, it resembles a swarm of fireflies. Anodized aluminum has a VERY weird structure; columnar holes like a bee's honeycomb. I wonder if any aluminum parts would have this structure, or if the structure is created during the experiment? See an SEM photo: http://www.caswellplating.com/kits/aluminum.htm I could see how gas pockets could easily develop inside those tubes, while with other metals convection might operate to carry away the gas-loaded solution before bubbles would start to grow. Does only aluminum produce the light, or are there other metals too? Also... whenever electrochemistry is concerned, I always wonder if hyperthermophilic nanobacteria have involved themselves. They specialize in feeding off a variety of chemical reactions, and they're so small that they don't show up in most SEM photos. Also, everything in our world is infected by the things, and they can't be killed by autoclaves, etc. (but certain chemical sterilization techniques work.) So, if all the materials involved in this experiment could be guaranteed to be free of nanobacterial contamination, would the experiment still produce light? Heh. For that matter, do palladium cathodes require unnoticed cavity-dwelling nanobacteria colonies in order to produce excess heat? :) Most of the light given off is apparently in the UV. If you add a fluorescent dye to the electrolyte you get a much brighter display. HA! I was wondering if that would happen. If a jet of dyed water was sprayed across the plate, the fluorescence might brightly show off the fluid flow patterns in the boundary layer. And of course, you can choose the color you want. Fluorescein or rhodamine 6G work nicely. I wonder if the UV output is nitrogen emission lines (or argon lines as happens with sonoluminescence.) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-789-0775unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: weird glow from aluminum in baking soda solution
On Dec 19, 2005, at 8:48 PM, Michael Foster wrote: I don't think its accurate to refer to this as electroluminescence. It's more like electro-scintillation. If you look at the electrode under about 40X magnification, it resembles a swarm of fireflies. Most of the light given off is apparently in the UV. If you add a fluorescent dye to the electrolyte you get a much brighter display. And of course, you can choose the color you want. Fluorescein or rhodamine 6G work nicely. It just dawned on me that the above nicely describes the *electrospark* regime. When you push the voltage way beyond the initial blue glow stage, you get the blue glow punctuated with little flashes that dance all around the electrode. Noise can be heard in the cell too. If the regime is pushed even higher the spots can fix on the electrodes and really dig into it, reducing in apparent quantity, reducing the blue glow, and making sludge in the bottom of the cell. When the electrospark regime begins the V vs T oscilloscope trace changes significantly. Lots of tiny spikes appear superimposed over the trace. It is as if the trace develops little hairs. My impression is the spikes are due to sparks penetrating the insulating oxide. In the initial stages the spark loci heal immediately, so the sparks dance all around. I don't know that they would dance all around if highly regulated DC were used, however. I used AC and half or full wave rectified DC. I also experimented with a bypass capacitor to enhance the spark initiated oscillations. It may be of side interest that a strong magnetic field seemed on occasion to make the fixed spots more intense and dig in too, and even caused spots to form on the back side of the electrode where they normally did not form. My impression is the blue glow is reduced when strong fixed spots appear. The electrospark regime is destructive to electrodes long term. The blue glow regime can be run indefinitely. Regards, Horace Heffner
Re: First Publicly Traded Cold Fusion Company
On Dec 20, 2005, at 5:57 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: What, exactly, happened with fusion research, cold or hot, in the 1930's? As far as I knew, fusion research didn't start until much later than that, but these two references seem to suggest that the groundwork for cold fusion was laid at that time. Check out Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Cold_fusion#Early_work The special ability of palladium to absorb hydrogen was recognized in the 19th century. In the late 1920s, two German scientists, Fritz Paneth and Kurt Peters, reported the transformation of hydrogen into helium by spontaneous nuclear catalysis when hydrogen is absorbed by finely divided palladium at room temperature. These authors later acknowledged that the helium they measured was due to background from the air or the glassware they used. In 1927, Swedish scientist John Tandberg said that he had fused hydrogen into helium in an electrolytic cell with palladium electrodes. On the basis of his work he applied for a Swedish patent for a method to produce helium and useful reaction energy. After deuterium was discovered in 1932, Tandberg continued his experiments with heavy water. Due to Paneth and Peters' retraction, Tandberg's patent application was eventually denied.
