[Vo]:Laser toner controversy
I thought that laser toner was dangerous chemically since they are collected and disposed separately. i investigated and found that this was not the case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner The only health risk associated with it is due to its ability to generate static electricity. Putting it in a vacuum cleaner can make it catch fire. Therefore I saved a bag of waste laser toner. I wonder what kind of apparatus I need to excite the toner to produce static electricity? Can this list offer any advise? David
Re: [Vo]:Laser toner controversy
same as any fine dust, rub it against itself. one of those bagless vacuums would work perfect. i created 3 inch sparks to my legs with one of those just using reglular house dust from the static buildup. On Dec 4, 2007 1:51 AM, David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that laser toner was dangerous chemically since they are collected and disposed separately. i investigated and found that this was not the case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner The only health risk associated with it is due to its ability to generate static electricity. Putting it in a vacuum cleaner can make it catch fire. Therefore I saved a bag of waste laser toner. I wonder what kind of apparatus I need to excite the toner to produce static electricity? Can this list offer any advise? David -- That which yields isn't always weak.
Re: [Vo]:Laser toner controversy
Isn't laser toner specifically chosen for having high or well known static characteristics? What is he ability to have static electricity? Has it anything to do about paraelectricity? David On Dec 4, 2007 2:35 PM, leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: same as any fine dust, rub it against itself. one of those bagless vacuums would work perfect. i created 3 inch sparks to my legs with one of those just using reglular house dust from the static buildup. On Dec 4, 2007 1:51 AM, David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that laser toner was dangerous chemically since they are collected and disposed separately. i investigated and found that this was not the case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner The only health risk associated with it is due to its ability to generate static electricity. Putting it in a vacuum cleaner can make it catch fire. Therefore I saved a bag of waste laser toner. I wonder what kind of apparatus I need to excite the toner to produce static electricity? Can this list offer any advise? David -- That which yields isn't always weak. -- David Jonsson Interactive Institute AB http://www.tii.se/ Kista, Sweden phone callto:+46707791731 Contact info: http://www.tii.se/people/david
Re: [Vo]:Laser toner controversy
http://home.howstuffworks.com/photocopier1.htm On Dec 4, 2007 9:46 AM, David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't laser toner specifically chosen for having high or well known static characteristics? What is he ability to have static electricity? Has it anything to do about paraelectricity? David On Dec 4, 2007 2:35 PM, leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: same as any fine dust, rub it against itself. one of those bagless vacuums would work perfect. i created 3 inch sparks to my legs with one of those just using reglular house dust from the static buildup. On Dec 4, 2007 1:51 AM, David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that laser toner was dangerous chemically since they are collected and disposed separately. i investigated and found that this was not the case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner The only health risk associated with it is due to its ability to generate static electricity. Putting it in a vacuum cleaner can make it catch fire. Therefore I saved a bag of waste laser toner. I wonder what kind of apparatus I need to excite the toner to produce static electricity? Can this list offer any advise? David -- That which yields isn't always weak. -- David Jonsson Interactive Institute AB http://www.tii.se/ Kista, Sweden phone callto:+46707791731 Contact info: http://www.tii.se/people/david
Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?
Instead of laboring over cathode treatment in random replication results for gas discharge or electrolysis CF reactions, why not use Muonic Altered Water: MAW, that can be obtained by bombarding an electrical discharge in Steam in front of a Muon Source, like the Los Alamos Meson Physics Facility (LAMPF) that used 800 MeV protons (less than the 936 MeV rest energy of the proton) hitting a copper target? Extinct? Potassium compounds or Argon gas Etc., also? The secret ingredient in the Yusmar water that Scott Little at Earthtech wondered about in the early days? On Dec 3, 2007 11:38 PM, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An extensive treatment of the interaction of water on solid surfaces (about 10 megabytes) gives insight on how a Muonic Entity could catalyze CF reactions on the cathode of an electrolysis cell. It also touches on the effect of oxygen wrt the water interaction with the surfaces. http://www.physics.rutgers.edu/~wchen/Madey_page/Full_Publications/PDF/madey_SSR_1987_T.pdf On Dec 3, 2007 10:38 PM, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range? Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment where one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in the O2 ?) A deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom electron cloud containing the entity would capture the entity and effect CF, allowing the entity to be released to continue working as a catalyst. On Dec 3, 2007 7:31 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well - there should lots of strong gammas then, for Correa to confirm his specualtion, no? Not to mention, it would be nice if Correa had had a single independent replication in all these years, and/or could quote from another source than his own work or Aspden ;-) Nevertheless - he has probably seen something of an anomaly but will we ever know for sure? J. Frederick Sparber wrote: P.N. Correa speaks on an anomaly. *http://web.globalserve.net/~lambdac/PwrfromAEemissions.html* * In a speculative fashion, it is indeed interesting to remark that the PAGD energies associated with emitted cathode ions are in the range needed for electron-positron pair creation. Significantly, the study of narrow, nonrelativistic positron peaks and of electron-positron coincidences in heavy ion collisions has led to the identification of low-mass photonium resonances in the 1 to 2 MeV range (lowest prediction at ~1.2 MeV (99)), which have been theorized as possible e-e+ quasi-bound continuum states of a pure electromagnetic nature (98-99), suggesting the existence of a new (ultra-nuclear and infra-atomic) scale for QED interactions (99). Lastly, it has been formally shown that pair production can be supported by a photon field in a nonstationary medium and in a threshold-free manner (ie for any electromagnetic wave frequency) (100). * On Dec 3, 2007 7:48 AM, Frederick Sparber [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jones. A bound state of e- e+ e- (about 10^ -12 % according to CRC tables) is known. With a mass about 207 times that of the electron and about 0.5MeV they could make a burn spot on the center of your old TV CRT before they came up with the bent gun. OTOH, a 1/207 fractional hydrino orbit of 2800 eV would be a hefty energy release if they are in potassium or argon. No? Fred
Re: [Vo]:Laser toner controversy
There is concern about toner dust. It is extremely fine and can lodge deep in the lungs. Harry On 4/12/2007 3:51 AM, David Jonsson wrote: I thought that laser toner was dangerous chemically since they are collected and disposed separately. i investigated and found that this was not the case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner The only health risk associated with it is due to its ability to generate static electricity. Putting it in a vacuum cleaner can make it catch fire. Therefore I saved a bag of waste laser toner. I wonder what kind of apparatus I need to excite the toner to produce static electricity? Can this list offer any advise? David
Re: [Vo]:Laser toner controversy
yes. the laser on the paper causes static, the toner than sticks to that static, so that toner only sticks to areas where the laser has excited. the heater element then mlets the toner to the page. the large amount of static generated is one of the reasons a laser printer running overtime smells like ozone. no clue about paraelectricity. On 12/4/07, David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't laser toner specifically chosen for having high or well known static characteristics? What is he ability to have static electricity? Has it anything to do about paraelectricity? David On Dec 4, 2007 2:35 PM, leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: same as any fine dust, rub it against itself. one of those bagless vacuums would work perfect. i created 3 inch sparks to my legs with one of those just using reglular house dust from the static buildup. On Dec 4, 2007 1:51 AM, David Jonsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought that laser toner was dangerous chemically since they are collected and disposed separately. i investigated and found that this was not the case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner The only health risk associated with it is due to its ability to generate static electricity. Putting it in a vacuum cleaner can make it catch fire. Therefore I saved a bag of waste laser toner. I wonder what kind of apparatus I need to excite the toner to produce static electricity? Can this list offer any advise? David -- That which yields isn't always weak. -- David Jonsson Interactive Institute AB http://www.tii.se/ Kista, Sweden phone callto:+46707791731 Contact info: http://www.tii.se/people/david -- That which yields isn't always weak.
Re: [Vo]:Laser toner controversy
A friend of mine said the same thing but I wonder if the real hazard might be electrical. Do you know how these health investigations were performed? Dust has been available to humans for millennia without problem so I doubt that this is the real hazard. It could be the end hazard (ontologically) and the electrical effect is what brings the dust to the undesired places in the lungs. David On Dec 4, 2007 5:33 PM, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is concern about toner dust. It is extremely fine and can lodge deep in the lungs. Harry On 4/12/2007 3:51 AM, David Jonsson wrote: I thought that laser toner was dangerous chemically since they are collected and disposed separately. i investigated and found that this was not the case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner The only health risk associated with it is due to its ability to generate static electricity. Putting it in a vacuum cleaner can make it catch fire. Therefore I saved a bag of waste laser toner. I wonder what kind of apparatus I need to excite the toner to produce static electricity? Can this list offer any advise? David -- David Jonsson Interactive Institute AB http://www.tii.se/ Kista, Sweden phone callto:+46707791731 Contact info: http://www.tii.se/people/david
Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?
Frederick Sparber wrote: Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range? Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment where one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in the O2 ?) A deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom Strange indeed, I've always speculated that the energy, which is normally expressed as a gamma, goes else where. Perhaps the good doctor will talk to us about this. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
RE: [Vo]:Laser toner controversy -
Per the Nick Palmer experiments, I wonder if toner carts get lighter when you shake them up? - R.
[Vo]:Progress in autonomous automobiles
See: In the Future, Smart People Will Let Cars Take Control http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/science/04tier.html Quote from end of article: And even if humans stubbornly cling to the steering wheel, they could still end up sharing the road with smart cars. He has that wrong. Once smart cars become safer than manually driven ones, manual driving will be outlawed. We will not stand by and watch thousands of people killed every year for no reason. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Re: Quasi-Stable Negative Muons or Heavy Positronium-Electronium?
The cold fusion process does not produce gamma for several reasons. Immediate release of gamma does not occur because such a reaction is not effective in conserving the momentum of the reaction. Instead, if a reaction is to occur at all, two charged particle must be emitted. Of course, some of the energy and momentum can go directly into the lattice, but the amount can not be very large as shown by studies of this process independent of CF. Gamma radiation is not emitted as a delayed release of energy because none is stored in the products. The reaction at low energy apparently goes to the lowest energy state immediately. In other words, the conditions in which such reactions occur make a big difference to how energy is released. Anyway this is my humble explanation. Ed thomas malloy wrote: Frederick Sparber wrote: Isn't it strange that Ed Storms' paper reports no gammas either, yet the radiation implies particle energies in the MeV range? Note the effect of oxygen and hydrocarbons in the Storms experiment where one would expect the quasi-stable entity to be found. (Argon in the O2 ?) A deuteron or proton impacting a heavier (higher Z) atom Strange indeed, I've always speculated that the energy, which is normally expressed as a gamma, goes else where. Perhaps the good doctor will talk to us about this. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
Re: [Vo]:Laser toner controversy
its not the toners that are collected, its the toner containers. thats becuase they have valuable parts, like the drum, inside them, and it costs about a buck to refill it with toner as opposed to manufacturing a new one. its a blend of plastic resins. not something i want in my lungs. On 12/4/07, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is concern about toner dust. It is extremely fine and can lodge deep in the lungs. Harry On 4/12/2007 3:51 AM, David Jonsson wrote: I thought that laser toner was dangerous chemically since they are collected and disposed separately. i investigated and found that this was not the case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toner The only health risk associated with it is due to its ability to generate static electricity. Putting it in a vacuum cleaner can make it catch fire. Therefore I saved a bag of waste laser toner. I wonder what kind of apparatus I need to excite the toner to produce static electricity? Can this list offer any advise? David -- That which yields isn't always weak.
Re: [Vo]:Progress in autonomous automobiles
On 4/12/2007 3:02 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: See: In the Future, Smart People Will Let Cars Take Control http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/04/science/04tier.html Quote from end of article: And even if humans stubbornly cling to the steering wheel, they could still end up sharing the road with smart cars. He has that wrong. Once smart cars become safer than manually driven ones, manual driving will be outlawed. We will not stand by and watch thousands of people killed every year for no reason. - Jed gosh...what will happen to the car insurance business? ;-) Harry
[Vo]:electron power systems
Vortexians; What do you think about this idea? http://www.electronpowersystems.com/ --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
[VO]: Skunk Works needed for new technology
BlankHowdy Vorts, The advances in technology are stacking up worldwide in the universities and research oriented firms. This technology is also migrating toward startup capital groups, all looking for the next golden goose.Something is missing . What? A series of Skunk Worksprojects.. The name didn't start at Locheed although they gave it a new meaning. The name was coined by Al Capp, cartoonist of the Lil Abner comic strip and was the moonshine still building in the wildwood ( shades of the Dime Box saloon). Lockheed's success with the research program started back in a quonset hut and can be traced to the freedom given the researchers to pursue their craft. I had the occasion to visit the engineering design group for an oil related manufacturer in the 1950's. I asked what new products they had under development.. none was the reply.. we wait 'til sales tells us they want something to meet competition. This trait eventually reached critical mass with Roger at GM. Until the business model of industry adds a Skunk Works theme.. things are going to remain dormant for a push toward a major new energy shift. This could be an underlying reason for the inability to overcome the enertia represented by big oil. They may not be so guarded of their place in the world as simply not thinking as the sand slowly washes out from under their boardroom chairs in Dubai. the center of the universe in their mindset. http://www.lockheedmartin.com/aeronautics/skunkworks/ Richard Blank Bkgrd.gif
Re: [Vo]:Laser toner controversy
David Jonsson wrote: Isn't laser toner specifically chosen for having high or well known static characteristics? What is he ability to have static electricity? Has it anything to do about paraelectricity? David On Dec 4, 2007 2:35 PM, leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: same as any fine dust, rub it against itself. one of those bagless vacuums would work perfect. i created 3 inch sparks to my legs with one of those just using reglular house dust from the static buildup. Three inch sparks! stay away from computers. --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
