[Vo]:RE: :microstructure array 2nd law violation
Thanks. I believe they made a diode array and confirmed that it absorbed ambient heat and produced electrical power with an IR camera and [implied] electical measurment gear. Aloha, Charlie RE: Someone online stumbled across this page on a German site: http://www.theimagingsource.biz/en/technology/ambientheatelectricity/ Is this FE claim familiar to anyone here? Or is it a new one? This company sells industrial and astronomy CCD cameras, so perhaps they experiment with chip fab? So they can can try out thermal noise rectifiers that violate 2nd Las? See: http://www.theimagingsource.com/en/products/ The inventor is apparantly in the USA this week... (( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3138 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
[Vo]:multiple pawl Feynman wheel rationale
Vorts, We talked about Feynman ratchet wheels weeks ago. They may or may not mechanically rectify random thermal impacts into irregular but one way rotation.I believe that multiple pawls wold improve it enough to mechanically rectify random thermal impacts into irregular but one way rotation because the drag imposed by many ratchets is proportional to the number of pawls while the probability of having at least one randomly swinging pawl blocking counter rotation increases exponentially to the number of pawls. Aloha, Charlie
Re: [Vo]:OT: Bigfoot on Mars??
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:42:58 -0900: Hi, [snip] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWwnn9lpQHk (Source: Reuters) Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ It reminds me of the ceiling of the Sistine chapel (http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:n21sVUwn33VhaM:upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/God2-Sistine_Chapel.png) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
Re: [Vo]:OT: Bigfoot on Mars??
It's the other story that's most likely the most interesting story... P. - Original Message From: R.C.Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 4:29:16 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:OT: Bigfoot on Mars?? Howdy Horace, NASA loves this kinda stuff if it gets them funding. The Bigfoot character shown on the UTube vid looks exactly like the guy that went out the back door at the Dime Box Saloon without paying his bar tab. How he wound up on Mars is another story ! Richard
Re: [Vo]:OT: Bigfoot on Mars??
Howdy Philip, My spoof was intended to demonstrate NASA's increased loss of credibility and drift toward the absurd. They were once the inspiration of youth. Richard It's the other story that's most likely the most interesting story... NASA loves this kinda stuff if it gets them funding. The Bigfoot character shown on the UTube vid looks exactly like the guy that went out the back door at the Dime Box Saloon without paying his bar tab. How he wound up on Mars is another story !
Re: [Vo]:Storms video
Just avoid the elderberry wine. ;-) Terry On Jan 25, 2008 12:03 PM, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Readers here will please let me know if you are still having trouble seeing the Storms lecture video at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9026092151512597723 Ed sent me a copy of the PowerPoint slides. I plan to convert them to Acrobat format and upload them, so that people viewing the video can follow along to see the data. I hope we can put a note into the Google intro text with a hyperlink to the PowerPoint slides. We may also insert the slides directly into the video stream so that they are clearer. Maybe we can have some sort of bouncing ball arrangement, such as movies used to have when the audience sang along. I will do this soon, but probably not today because an electrician / handyman is coming this afternoon and the two of us will spend the afternoon excavating freezing mud in the crawl space under my house and installing a sump pump to protect my new HVAC equipment from flooding, in case it ever rains in Atlanta again. One improvement leads to another. It should be a fun job. I expect it will be reminiscent of the movie Arsenic and Old Lace. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT: Bigfoot on Mars??
Richard sez: Howdy Horace, NASA loves this kinda stuff if it gets them funding. The Bigfoot character shown on the UTube vid looks exactly like the guy that went out the back door at the Dime Box Saloon without paying his bar tab. How he wound up on Mars is another story ! Richard And Elvis isn't talking. ;-) I plan on attending an informal potluck this Sunday where I'll get the chance to talk to a well-known UFO investigator. I'm interested in his take on the recent UFO flap that occurred in Texas. By now I'm sure he's either interviewed some of the witnesses or at least read some of the transcripts compiled by other investigators. There often tend to be interesting presentations at these informal potlucks. Last summer there was an individual, a researcher, who gave a talk based on what he believed were numerous suspicious Martian artifacts as transmitted back by orbiting satellites. To back up his claim he displayed a large illustration board containing approximately thirty 4x6 photographs, all shot directly off his computer monitor with a 35mm camera. He was convinced he saw countless faces and figures artificially carved in the Martian mountains, craters and shadows. I took a good long look at each photograph. All I saw were mountains, craters and shadows. This did not seem to deter the affable researcher. He told us that people who have analyzed his photos but only see mountains, craters and shadows have allowed society to brainwash away their ability to perceive the imagery for what they truly are. At least I knew what my problem was. Other than that the food was great. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Storms video
Okay, I am not under the house after all. I will deal with frozen mud next week. Instead I uploaded the PowerPoint slides for the Storms video here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEhowtocausea.pdf It is much easier to read these full-sized slides than it is to read the ones in the video. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:D2 at the anode, now I am really confused
Ed wrote: This is standard chemistry. Just like standard nuclear physics is to LENR? ;-) Sorry, couldn't resist... -Mark -Original Message- From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:43 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:D2 at the anode, now I am really confused Frank, The D does not carry a positive charge in this solution because the Li and K are more electropositive than is D. This is standard chemistry. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fused salt is a mixture of potassium and lithium metals containing dissolved D. No water or Cl is present. D2 is produced at the anode, which is palladium. Ed Does not the Hydrogen and the Deuterium ion contain a positive charge in solution. Are not these positive charges attracted to the cathode which is negative in a cell that is receiving energy. Is not the D2 liberated at the cathode. Frank
Re: [Vo]:OT: Bigfoot on Mars??
Howdy Horace, NASA loves this kinda stuff if it gets them funding. The Bigfoot character shown on the UTube vid looks exactly like the guy that went out the back door at the Dime Box Saloon without paying his bar tab. How he wound up on Mars is another story ! Richard
Re: [Vo]:A Green Perpetual Motion Machine
--- R.C.Macaulay wrote: An open pond with a foam blanket to cover the CO2 works. Interesting that many small towns have waste water treating plants that are nothing more than a series of ponds located in steps where the first pond gravity flows into the next lowest earthen pond and so on. These lagoon systems could provide an ideal site for green machines. Task...find a better way of producing huge quantities of CO2 ... is there a way? Well - not sure huge is the correct description when you are directly recycling the exhaust from a gen-set on a continuous basis. The plant operator will need some additional source of carbon, to make up for the expected shortfall. But how much, percentage-wise, is an important open question. Assuming that a turbine gen-set returns all the waste heat and CO2 from combustion to the Algae ponds immediately, then the situation will resolve to how much CO2 is lost there, due to admixture with the atmosphere before the algae use it. The amount of CO2 already in the air will NOT contribute noticeably- there is simply too little concentration to matter. CO2 is of course much denser than air but totally miscible over time, so the foam blanket would be a key feature - but it may provide enough of a necessary delay, so that the CO2 is almost completely converted by the algae, before it can mix. If you have ever watched bacteria 'double' under a microscope, the growth rate is mind-boggling. Of course, only the best strains need to be used, and bio-engineering may eventually provide even more than the bonanza which nature now gives us. Along with careful metering of CO2 and proper 'plumbing', the intrinsic shortfall could end up at only 5-15% CO2 which is lost, and most of that would be in bad weather (high winds). This is a major unknown. Here is the way the dynamics of the system might work, using a modification of the Aquafuel (carbon reforming) process. First, here is an old page from JNL on how the basic system works in a small experiment. Some of the underlying old patents are mentioned. http://jlnlabs.online.fr/bingofuel/html/aquagen.htm I would envision a slightly different approach where the electrodes themselves are NOT rapidly consumable. But in which a carbon-rich goo (algae with some added coal dust or sawdust) is pumped through porous electrodes (tungsten?), to create the same effect as if they were consumed - as in the simple experiment above. In summary, in addition to the algae 'scum' which is continually skimmed and dewatered, some additional percentage carbon needs to be added to make the system fully 'perpetual'. This added carbon could be Ag-waste or coal dust. The goo-mix is then continually pumped through the electrodes to reform the mixture into carbon monoxide and hydrogen, which is then ported to the turbine. It is then immediately recycled and very close to carbon neutral. Bottom line: there are strains of algae which when 'force-fed' CO2 will convert solar energy to biomass at an astounding efficiency- which blows away the best solar cells, and at a tiny fraction of the cost. But-- with grater complexity in a working system. Some of the electrical output must be returned to the bio-reformer of course; and that parasitic loss is the second looming 'unknown' factor. If it is not substantial, then this is a fabulous implementation. If too much current is required to accomplish the reforming, then of course the huge amount of cheap solar energy which is collected by the algae will not be enough to make the system economical enough to supplant burning coal without exhaust recycling. This is the kind of complex concept which cannot be easily modeled by computer, and begs for a prototype system, based on the optimum pond size for a single pond. It seems to me now, after tossing around all the alternatives for a few months, and looking at the proposals and comparative strengths and weaknesses, that a central pivot, circular pond would be best (~40,000 ft^2, about an acre). The 'racetrack' or other rectangular configurations have too many negatives. It is far cheaper to harvest the algae from still water than to try to create a continuous flow. The visual image of central pivot farm irrigation comes to mind, but in this case the arm is both the skimmer and part of the CO2-return plumbing. The beauty of this kind of system is that the skimmed algae, after very slight treatment, can be immediately reburned. Thus, we have the quasi-perpetuality. Of course, this is simply 'assisted-solar-conversion' on the bottom line. It is possible that any individual carbon atom, if it could tell its own story, gets burned and reconverted into biomass as often as 2-4 times a day in the summer months. The net inventory of CO2 is not enormously large but there is still toxicity and risk of suffocation, so precautions will need to be taken. Jones
[Vo]:Storms video
Readers here will please let me know if you are still having trouble seeing the Storms lecture video at: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9026092151512597723 Ed sent me a copy of the PowerPoint slides. I plan to convert them to Acrobat format and upload them, so that people viewing the video can follow along to see the data. I hope we can put a note into the Google intro text with a hyperlink to the PowerPoint slides. We may also insert the slides directly into the video stream so that they are clearer. Maybe we can have some sort of bouncing ball arrangement, such as movies used to have when the audience sang along. I will do this soon, but probably not today because an electrician / handyman is coming this afternoon and the two of us will spend the afternoon excavating freezing mud in the crawl space under my house and installing a sump pump to protect my new HVAC equipment from flooding, in case it ever rains in Atlanta again. One improvement leads to another. It should be a fun job. I expect it will be reminiscent of the movie Arsenic and Old Lace. - Jed
[Vo]:OT: Bigfoot on Mars??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWwnn9lpQHk (Source: Reuters) Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:microstructure array 2nd law violation
Where are the thermo police when you need them!? You don't think it is related to Charlie Brown's diode array, eh? Terry On Jan 24, 2008 1:31 PM, William Beaty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone online stumbled across this page on a German site: http://www.theimagingsource.biz/en/technology/ambientheatelectricity/ Is this FE claim familiar to anyone here? Or is it a new one? This company sells industrial and astronomy CCD cameras, so perhaps they experiment with chip fab? So they can can try out thermal noise rectifiers that violate 2nd Las? See: http://www.theimagingsource.com/en/products/ The inventor is apparantly in the USA this week... (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3138unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:A Green Perpetual Motion Machine
Howdy Jones, Looking over your shoulder I am watching an anerobic digester in action. Old engineer friend long passed now had one of the best designs but he never looked at the algae production component side to the equation.. course gasoline was only 40 cent a gallon back then. Richard. - Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:A Green Perpetual Motion Machine --- R.C.Macaulay wrote: An open pond with a foam blanket to cover the CO2 works. Interesting that many small towns have waste water treating plants that are nothing more than a series of ponds located in steps where the first pond gravity flows into the next lowest earthen pond and so on. These lagoon systems could provide an ideal site for green machines. Task...find a better way of producing huge quantities of CO2 ... is there a way? Well - not sure huge is the correct description when you are directly recycling the exhaust from a gen-set on a continuous basis. The plant operator will need some additional source of carbon, to make up for the expected shortfall. But how much, percentage-wise, is an important open question. Assuming that a turbine gen-set returns all the waste heat and CO2 from combustion to the Algae ponds immediately, then the situation will resolve to how much CO2 is lost there, due to admixture with the atmosphere before the algae use it. The amount of CO2 already in the air will NOT contribute noticeably- there is simply too little concentration to matter. CO2 is of course much denser than air but totally miscible over time, so the foam blanket would be a key feature - but it may provide enough of a necessary delay, so that the CO2 is almost completely converted by the algae, before it can mix. If you have ever watched bacteria 'double' under a microscope, the growth rate is mind-boggling. Of course, only the best strains need to be used, and bio-engineering may eventually provide even more than the bonanza which nature now gives us. Along with careful metering of CO2 and proper 'plumbing', the intrinsic shortfall could end up at only 5-15% CO2 which is lost, and most of that would be in bad weather (high winds). This is a major unknown. Here is the way the dynamics of the system might work, using a modification of the Aquafuel (carbon reforming) process. First, here is an old page from JNL on how the basic system works in a small experiment. Some of the underlying old patents are mentioned. http://jlnlabs.online.fr/bingofuel/html/aquagen.htm I would envision a slightly different approach where the electrodes themselves are NOT rapidly consumable. But in which a carbon-rich goo (algae with some added coal dust or sawdust) is pumped through porous electrodes (tungsten?), to create the same effect as if they were consumed - as in the simple experiment above. In summary, in addition to the algae 'scum' which is continually skimmed and dewatered, some additional percentage carbon needs to be added to make the system fully 'perpetual'. This added carbon could be Ag-waste or coal dust. The goo-mix is then continually pumped through the electrodes to reform the mixture into carbon monoxide and hydrogen, which is then ported to the turbine. It is then immediately recycled and very close to carbon neutral. Bottom line: there are strains of algae which when 'force-fed' CO2 will convert solar energy to biomass at an astounding efficiency- which blows away the best solar cells, and at a tiny fraction of the cost. But-- with grater complexity in a working system. Some of the electrical output must be returned to the bio-reformer of course; and that parasitic loss is the second looming 'unknown' factor. If it is not substantial, then this is a fabulous implementation. If too much current is required to accomplish the reforming, then of course the huge amount of cheap solar energy which is collected by the algae will not be enough to make the system economical enough to supplant burning coal without exhaust recycling. This is the kind of complex concept which cannot be easily modeled by computer, and begs for a prototype system, based on the optimum pond size for a single pond. It seems to me now, after tossing around all the alternatives for a few months, and looking at the proposals and comparative strengths and weaknesses, that a central pivot, circular pond would be best (~40,000 ft^2, about an acre). The 'racetrack' or other rectangular configurations have too many negatives. It is far cheaper to harvest the algae from still water than to try to create a continuous flow. The visual image of central pivot farm irrigation comes to mind, but in this case the arm is both the skimmer and part of the CO2-return plumbing. The beauty of this kind of system is that the skimmed algae, after very slight treatment, can be immediately reburned. Thus, we have the quasi-perpetuality. Of course, this is simply
