Re: [Vo]:News from Japan
Jones Beene wrote: Not to be outdone by the GMs Volt Could be a major breakthrough ...or not http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/genepax-shows-off-water-powered-fuel-cell-vehicle/ This only makes sense if the electrolysis unit is burning the metal in them. The metals oxidize and liberate hydrogen from the water. The electrolysis unit should only last a few days or weeks . The inventors public statements indicate that while they expect the unit to last about 4.5 years they have not run one for more than a few days.
Re: [Vo]:News from Japan
Jones Beene wrote: Not to be outdone by the GMs Volt Could be a major breakthrough ...or not http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/13/genepax-shows-off-water-powered-fuel-cell-vehicle/ Why is the driver of the jap thing wearing a hockey mask??? Which horror film rerun is he going to?
Re: [Vo]:Nanosolar's 1 GW/yr solar cell printer
On Jun 21, 2008, at 3:12 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: Nanosolar's 1 GW/yr solar cell printer presented by CEO Martin Roscheisen here, with a video: http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/ If they sell the panels at $1/W as announced, they are aiming at a $1B annual income, not too shabby :) Michel Yes, but that is just for one 1GW CIGS coater, which cost $1.65 million. On that basis, Nanosolar should be financially capable of sustaining 10x to 100x per year growth rate - until resources, like supplies, staff, land, or customers run out. The major impediments to going all solar are bulk energy storage, i.e. large battery or hydrogen generating systems, and low cost energy transmission systems. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
Michael Foster wrote: Ethanol from corn is a crime and people are dying from it. Sorry Michael but no-one is dieing because of ethanol production. They are dieing because the things they sell are not valuable enough to pay for the oil, fertilizer, etc that goes into modern farming and western foods. Their privative agricultural system can't feed them or half the crops are lost to vermin, etc, after harvest. Also because some key countries are in drought including Australia. War and socialist follies do not help. At the beginning of the land reform in Zimbabwe was a food exporting country even in drought. The land reform trashed their farming capital base and now half Zimbabwe is starving and half is not. It depends whose party you’re in. But even Zanu-pf is running out of supplies to bribe the voters. Darfur was not in drought or famine when the war there started; over grazing drove the Janjaweed to invade farming country to their south. Its Arabs verses blacks in a range war. The famous tortilla riots in Mexico was caused by three things: Laws that stopped the importation of grain, A hard won pay rise for the 'bakers union', and the rising price of Mexican gas. The Union blamed ethanol to avoid the mob. There was also a plan to raise pensions to match the cost of living rise but it got held up. When you make ethanol you don't destroy the protein. It becomes stillage, wet distiller’s grains or dry distiller’s grains depending on the water content. It is calorie reduced but its protein enriched and its still food. The world is not calorie short but it does have a protein shortage. The distiller’s grain sold for $80 a ton and went to livestock, pet food and in a few cases human food. The food industry in the USA and Europe could not quickly use the stuff because of red tape and the simple fact that their factories use augers to move grains and distillers grains clag up augers. For every ton of ethanol produced later this year there will be a ton of dry distiller’s grains and they have fixed the augers. When you make biodiesel from soy you make an equal quantity of soy meal (oilseed press cake) or 5 tons of soy flour per ton of biodiesel. Soy meal is processed into livestock and pet food. Soy flour is textured protein, mock meat, protein filler in foods etc. We're all eating it. The world food situation is complex and full of change. We have new foods, new crops and agricultural systems developing. Salt tolerant grains are deploying in some countries and integrated biological pest management (pesticide free) is being deployed. A hundred NGO's are teaching organic agriculture across the third world. For the first time in decades European and American surpluses aren't being dumped on third world countries at prices that bankrupt the local farmers. It would be nice if the drought broke, there wasn't a flood destroying the US crop right now on the Mississippi and the media noticed organic agricultures success stories. But we can't have everything. PS I have a degree in organic agriculture and sustainable development so I get to do my bit.
Re: [Vo]:Nanosolar's 1 GW/yr solar cell printer
Michel Jullian wrote: Nanosolar's 1 GW/yr solar cell printer presented by CEO Martin Roscheisen here, with a video: http://www.nanosolar.com/blog3/ If they sell the panels at $1/W as announced, they are aiming at a $1B annual income, not too shabby :) Michel Note also its not just the cells their selling but their selling the machine that makes the cells. Its not the only machine they have running and there's one in germany. Did you see how much empty space the factory has? They could build a few more yet in just that factory alone. Awesome!
Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
Howdy Wesley, We are looking for a person with proven experience in rainmaking. This person should have the ability to make it rain in suitable quanities and time intervals conducive with the type of crop planted. This person need not hold a degree but must have proven experience in rainmaking and perform wonders with numbers while eating cucumbers. Bonus will be paid from our US D of A subsidy the following year when we get paid for not producing. Applicants may send resume' to the Dime Box saloon, include a self addressed cucumber. Richard Wesley wrote, PS I have a degree in organic agriculture and sustainable development so I get to do my bit.
Re: [Vo]:Ethanol not all bad?
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Wesley Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry Michael but no-one is dieing because of ethanol production. That's not entirely accurate. The doctor's told my grandfather that if he kept consuming a pint of corn ethanol every day it would kill him. It did after 88 years. He went peacefully. Terry
[Vo]:He6 Harmonic traps
Sunday mornings may be an better time for belated three-part harmonies, but Sabato will have to do for this one. Three years ago, in checking the archives, Rothwell and Scudder casually mentioned ICCF-11 and a paper mentioning 'harmonic traps' which drew little attention; but recently the Arrata results may indicate that it was ahead of its time. IOW it fits in well. Kim and Passell are in a choir or sorts, since like many before them, they have speculated that the Bose-Einstein condensation (BEC) mechanism can be be operate at higher temperature (slightly above ambient) and operate on a near ground-state mixture of positively charged bosons which fuse with higher probability - due perhaps to simple tight confinement. I do not know who to credit as the first to mention a quasi-BEC mechanism for LENR, but am aware that it goes back a long ways. Frank Z may know. Confinement in a Pd matrix may serve to take away freedom of movement on three axes, just as does coldness. It can be considered to be 'virtual cryogenics' in certain situations. No, I don't do windows, nor Hamiltonians, and do not know if confinement is more than a metaphor for coldness, but appreciate that it is a good metahpor. Kim and Passell's contribution at ICCF-11 to this body of theory includes applying the term harmonic trap to quasi-BEC based LENR ...and additionally - in looking at mixtures of bosons, instead of all D (i.e. lithium-6). Their theory predicts the (D + Li) reaction rates will be higher by a factor of ~50. This has yet to verified, except possibly in the Arrata data. Here is the Wiki entry for harmonic trap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_in_a_harmonic_trap One of the main predictions of any BEC mechanism is that the Coulomb interaction between charged bosons may be suppressed and hence the conventional Gamow factor may be statistically changed or absent. The Gamow Factor is the probability for overcoming the Coulomb barrier in order to undergo nuclear reaction. The issue of three charged bosons (of the same or even of a mixed identity) but in the same tight geometry (very close confinement in a Pd matrix) is technically not covered by Gamow factor any more than two different bosons would be, but on first blush, this mechanism might seem to be of far lower probability than two body reactions. After all, in a typical plasma, 3-body reactions are millions of times lower in probability (meaning *nothing* really, except demonstrating how easy it is to fool mainstream physicists) Mention the three-body problem in any guise- and plasma physicists will roll their eyes. Tunnel vision. Part of this reluctance to look beyond the relative simplicity of paired-interactions, historically, goes back to Euler, his strange math, and three astronomical bodies. The 3-body problem is analytically solvable but requires evaluation of elliptic integrals. IOW it is not easy to pull off without a team of talented grad student programmers, and plenty of supercomputer access, and consequently the mainstream does not usually want to entertain the possibility. An easier way to handle it might be to say that instead of real 3-body reactions, we have two linked 2-body reactions at picosecond intervals. Three deuterons in a matrix vacancy could result in an unusual LENR statistical situation. When the parameters of an actual experiment give excess heat - but which is found with too little helium to account for it, but where lithium appears as a transmutation product, here is a bit of new info to consider Helium-6 is unusual. Despite its top-heaviness of excess neutrons (3:1 ratio), it has a half-life of almost a second- which is enormous in terms of QM life expectancy IOW it has LOTS of time to shed LOTS of energy kinetically (if you believe the Chubb magic phonon hypothesis) prior to beta-decay, and can do this without gammas or neutrons arguably. Alternatively, it can shed UV photons. BTW - this might be a good segue for Chubb to modify his magic-phonon hypothesis to include semicoherent UV photons (13.6 eV) as the predecessor step to the magic phonon ! It would then not have to be quite so magical as before. Why bring 6He into the mix at all, other than its long period of stability? (which BTW is a very good reason, even if the following does not support it) Well, if you suspect that a deuteron can exist at a deeply redundant ground state for a substantial time period (many nanoseconds) which is a conclusion that I call Mills-light since the shrunken deuteron does not need to a stable long-term ... Then in this kind of three-body reaction we have D-Dy-D where the Dy (deuterino) is the particle which ends-up supplying the two excess neutrons in the metastable 6He nucleus which is formed, and provides a nice proven shedding time until it decays (which as mentioned, has an incredibly long half-life for such a top-heavy (extra-neuts) metastable atom. The end proof or evidence for this would be a finding of anomalous 6Li.
Re: [Vo]:He6 Harmonic traps
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: [Vo]:He6 Harmonic traps Sunday mornings may be an better time for belated three-part harmonies, but Sabato will have to do for this one. Three years ago, in checking the archives, Rothwell and Scudder casually mentioned ICCF-11 and a paper mentioning 'harmonic traps' which drew little attention; but recently the Arrata results may indicate that it was ahead of its time. IOW it fits in well. Kim and Passell are in a choir or sorts, since like many before them, they have speculated that the Bose-Einstein condensation (BEC) mechanism can be be operate at higher temperature (slightly above ambient) and operate on a near ground-state mixture of positively charged bosons which fuse with higher probability - due perhaps to simple tight confinement. I do not know who to credit as the first to mention a quasi-BEC mechanism for LENR, but am aware that it goes back a long ways. Frank Z may know. Confinement in a Pd matrix may serve to take away freedom of movement on three axes, just as does coldness. It can be considered to be 'virtual cryogenics' in certain situations. No, I don't do windows, nor Hamiltonians, and do not know if confinement is more than a metaphor for coldness, but appreciate that it is a good metahpor. Kim and Passell's contribution at ICCF-11 to this body of theory includes applying the term harmonic trap to quasi-BEC based LENR ...and additionally - in looking at mixtures of bosons, instead of all D (i.e. lithium-6). Their theory predicts the (D + Li) reaction rates will be higher by a factor of ~50. This has yet to verified, except possibly in the Arrata data. Here is the Wiki entry for harmonic trap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_in_a_harmonic_trap One of the main predictions of any BEC mechanism is that the Coulomb interaction between charged bosons may be suppressed and hence the conventional Gamow factor may be statistically changed or absent. The Gamow Factor is the probability for overcoming the Coulomb barrier in order to undergo nuclear reaction. The issue of three charged bosons (of the same or even of a mixed identity) but in the same tight geometry (very close confinement in a Pd matrix) is technically not covered by Gamow factor any more than two different bosons would be, but on first blush, this mechanism might seem to be of far lower probability than two body reactions. After all, in a typical plasma, 3-body reactions are millions of times lower in probability (meaning *nothing* really, except demonstrating how easy it is to fool mainstream physicists) Mention the three-body problem in any guise- and plasma physicists will roll their eyes. Tunnel vision. Part of this reluctance to look beyond the relative simplicity of paired-interactions, historically, goes back to Euler, his strange math, and three astronomical bodies. The 3-body problem is analytically solvable but requires evaluation of elliptic integrals. IOW it is not easy to pull off without a team of talented grad student programmers, and plenty of supercomputer access, and consequently the mainstream does not usually want to entertain the possibility. An easier way to handle it might be to say that instead of real 3-body reactions, we have two linked 2-body reactions at picosecond intervals. Three deuterons in a matrix vacancy could result in an unusual LENR statistical situation. When the parameters of an actual experiment give excess heat - but which is found with too little helium to account for it, but where lithium appears as a transmutation product, here is a bit of new info to consider Helium-6 is unusual. Despite its top-heaviness of excess neutrons (3:1 ratio), it has a half-life of almost a second- which is enormous in terms of QM life expectancy IOW it has LOTS of time to shed LOTS of energy kinetically (if you believe the Chubb magic phonon hypothesis) prior to beta-decay, and can do this without gammas or neutrons arguably. Alternatively, it can shed UV photons. BTW - this might be a good segue for Chubb to modify his magic-phonon hypothesis to include semicoherent UV photons (13.6 eV) as the predecessor step to the magic phonon ! It would then not have to be quite so magical as before. Why bring 6He into the mix at all, other than its long period of stability? (which BTW is a very good reason, even if the following does not support it) Well, if you suspect that a deuteron can exist at a deeply redundant ground state for a substantial time period (many nanoseconds) which is a conclusion that I call Mills-light since the shrunken deuteron does not need to a stable long-term ... Then in this kind of three-body reaction we have D-Dy-D where the Dy (deuterino) is the particle which ends-up supplying the two excess neutrons in the metastable 6He nucleus which is formed, and provides a nice proven shedding time until it decays (which as
Re: [Vo]:He6 Harmonic traps
- Original Message - From: Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: [Vo]:He6 Harmonic traps Sunday mornings may be an better time for belated three-part harmonies, but Sabato will have to do for this one. Three years ago, in checking the archives, Rothwell and Scudder casually mentioned ICCF-11 and a paper mentioning 'harmonic traps' which drew little attention; but recently the Arrata results may indicate that it was ahead of its time. IOW it fits in well. Kim and Passell are in a choir or sorts, since like many before them, they have speculated that the Bose-Einstein condensation (BEC) mechanism can be be operate at higher temperature (slightly above ambient) and operate on a near ground-state mixture of positively charged bosons which fuse with higher probability - due perhaps to simple tight confinement. I do not know who to credit as the first to mention a quasi-BEC mechanism for LENR, but am aware that it goes back a long ways. Frank Z may know. Confinement in a Pd matrix may serve to take away freedom of movement on three axes, just as does coldness. It can be considered to be 'virtual cryogenics' in certain situations. No, I don't do windows, nor Hamiltonians, and do not know if confinement is more than a metaphor for coldness, but appreciate that it is a good metahpor. Kim and Passell's contribution at ICCF-11 to this body of theory includes applying the term harmonic trap to quasi-BEC based LENR ...and additionally - in looking at mixtures of bosons, instead of all D (i.e. lithium-6). Their theory predicts the (D + Li) reaction rates will be higher by a factor of ~50. This has yet to verified, except possibly in the Arrata data. Here is the Wiki entry for harmonic trap: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_in_a_harmonic_trap One of the main predictions of any BEC mechanism is that the Coulomb interaction between charged bosons may be suppressed and hence the conventional Gamow factor may be statistically changed or absent. The Gamow Factor is the probability for overcoming the Coulomb barrier in order to undergo nuclear reaction. The issue of three charged bosons (of the same or even of a mixed identity) but in the same tight geometry (very close confinement in a Pd matrix) is technically not covered by Gamow factor any more than two different bosons would be, but on first blush, this mechanism might seem to be of far lower probability than two body reactions. After all, in a typical plasma, 3-body reactions are millions of times lower in probability (meaning *nothing* really, except demonstrating how easy it is to fool mainstream physicists) Mention the three-body problem in any guise- and plasma physicists will roll their eyes. Tunnel vision. Part of this reluctance to look beyond the relative simplicity of paired-interactions, historically, goes back to Euler, his strange math, and three astronomical bodies. The 3-body problem is analytically solvable but requires evaluation of elliptic integrals. IOW it is not easy to pull off without a team of talented grad student programmers, and plenty of supercomputer access, and consequently the mainstream does not usually want to entertain the possibility. An easier way to handle it might be to say that instead of real 3-body reactions, we have two linked 2-body reactions at picosecond intervals. Three deuterons in a matrix vacancy could result in an unusual LENR statistical situation. When the parameters of an actual experiment give excess heat - but which is found with too little helium to account for it, but where lithium appears as a transmutation product, here is a bit of new info to consider Helium-6 is unusual. Despite its top-heaviness of excess neutrons (3:1 ratio), it has a half-life of almost a second- which is enormous in terms of QM life expectancy IOW it has LOTS of time to shed LOTS of energy kinetically (if you believe the Chubb magic phonon hypothesis) prior to beta-decay, and can do this without gammas or neutrons arguably. Alternatively, it can shed UV photons. BTW - this might be a good segue for Chubb to modify his magic-phonon hypothesis to include semicoherent UV photons (13.6 eV) as the predecessor step to the magic phonon ! It would then not have to be quite so magical as before. Why bring 6He into the mix at all, other than its long period of stability? (which BTW is a very good reason, even if the following does not support it) Well, if you suspect that a deuteron can exist at a deeply redundant ground state for a substantial time period (many nanoseconds) which is a conclusion that I call Mills-light since the shrunken deuteron does not need to a stable long-term ... Then in this kind of three-body reaction we have D-Dy-D where the Dy (deuterino) is the particle which ends-up supplying the two excess neutrons in the metastable 6He nucleus which is formed, and provides a nice proven shedding time until it decays (which as
Re: [Vo]:He6 Harmonic traps
Howdy Jones, Speaking of harmonic traps.. I don't know , but way back when it was called Tennessee Gas Transmission TGT and run by real people, it was understood that a natural gas pipeline could have random hot spots believed caused by sonics, harmonics and moronics. Nothing new or interesting until one notices where exactly these hotspots occurred... in minor angle double bends. Shades of Vortex induced sonics Batman !! Take this thought and reduce to pico nano size and shazzaam !! one may better understand Jones' point by mention of harmonic traps at the sub atomic level. By the way, how is Frank Grimer ? Richard
Re: [Vo]:He6 Harmonic traps
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:46 AM, R C Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, how is Frank Grimer ? Alive and well posting profusely on the Steorn forum. His new email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] or you can always post on his group: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Beta-atmosphere_group TErry
Re: [Vo]:Cartwright summary of Arata experiment
Unfortunately Cartwright did not mention the detection of helium, leaving the readers to ponder the sound of one hand clapping. Harry On 16/6/2008 4:52 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Jon Cartwright of PhysicsWorld.com has written a summary of the Arata experiment: http://physicsworld.com/blog/2008/06/coldfusion_demonstration_an_up_1.html I told him his description is better than Arata's, or mine. I have been working on a comprehensive description of the experiment, but I have been distracted by news from Mizuno, and also every time I read the Arata papers I find they raise more questions in my mind than they answer. - Jed
[Vo]:A reasonable criticism of Arata's temperature measurements?
Setting aside the detection of He for the time being does Oskar make a reasonable criticism of Arata's temperature measurements? Oskar: I wonder if it could be a deuterium effect on the thermocouple? Hydrogen and deuterium are notorious for dissolving in metals (as they are supposed to in the sample) and since this usually involves breaking up into atoms they might do this at slightly different rates which may affect the thermocouple. Has a control experiment with a dummy sample been performed? -- comment # 5 from http://physicsworld.com/blog/2008/06/coldfusion_demonstration_an_up_1.html Harry
