Re: [Vo]:making antimatter
Does it really matter? Positrons are actually neutrons since the positive pole of a battery is actually the negative when you think about it. Richard
[Vo]:Re: Want to Live in a Better Place?
Almost immediately after reading Terry's message about the Better Place model for converting the PHEV infrastructure into a socialist imperative (which is a good thing, even if it was a fairly liberal idea) http://www.betterplace.com/our-bold-plan/business-model/ ... perhaps the preeminent better place in the USA - i.e. the best place to live (according to the mayor and C of C) has sprung into action: http://earth2tech.com/2008/05/13/project-better-place-might-charge-up-sf/ ... which is a fabulous initiative for transportation in cities where the average trip is not long; second only in importance for alternative-energy to converting the mayor's (Gavin Newsom, pictured above) daily glob of hair-do-goo (aka Brylcreem) into diesel. Hey from the description below, this stuff might work strait from the tube... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brylcreem
Re: [Vo]:making antimatter
Although it is a good bet that Richard offered this bit of hidden knowledge 'tongue-in-cheek' - perhaps as the start of a dime-box sucker-bet, so to speak... ... there is literal truth to it (in vino veritas?) ... so be glad I saved you a few bucks for the next round of shots - with the following whiskey-talk ... OTOH does the dime-box open this early? The positive charge is almost always identified figuratively as an electron hole and what hidden particle in nature always acts as an electron hole? BTW if you said positive ion - instead of positron - my conclusion is still the same: the +ion is positive because it has an attached real positron. This particle however is normally neutral and unseen to us. All of this semantics duality - which is inherent in the fact that a figurative hole can be a real particle - can be resolved by looking at, or specifically for the interface which is the thin-line or boundary between 3-space and reciprocal space. This is the space where positrons can emerge from normal-neutrality (from our perspective) so to speak, and hang out with impunity, like on a teetering bar-stool, and not fall fully into forbidden-zone of 3-space (where all the crazies live)... Jones From: R C Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does it really matter? Positrons are actually neutrons since the positive pole of a battery is actually the negative when you think about it. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Conscious and self-aware animals
Howdy Jed, My favorite animal is the wolf. They creature apparently use a form of ESP for communication between members of the pack. In the far north wolves follow migratory animals and feed off the lag. They have been observed to split up and establish ambush positions along the migratory trails. These position can be some distance, out of sight and sound of other wolves in the pack, yet, should the game elude them, they quickly re-form and re-establish new ambush positions. A wolf is a majestic creature that is wise enough to keep distant from the human species. Here in central Texas, sorta midpoint between Houston, Austin and San Antonio, the red wolf has been declared extinct. Don't believe it. They are back evidenced by the reduction in coyotes ( natural enemies). Wolves will breed with dogs when necessary for survival but will quickly breed back to wolves. An alpha male wolf has a hunting territory of some 25 miles in diameter in our area of Texas. They divide this circle into four to six inner circles of 12 1/2 miles diameter and remain in that circle until the food is diminished and move on to the next circle. One old timer that has since passed on was a member of a family of wolfers that made a living trapping wolves on large ranches. He told many tales of experiences and related tales from way back when. A wolfer would never attempt to wipe out the wolf because the area would quickly become overrun with coyotes. Coyotes bring rabies and infect skunks and wild hogs. We now have a ferral hog problem in the area. Ferral hogs carry a form of hog rabies. There is some suspicion the Mexican coyote was pushed up from Mexico due to drouth over the past 35 years. These coyotes brought rabies and some area have greatly reduced wild animal populations as a result. We now have Mexican mountail lions and Jaguars moving up plus a few Rocky mountain cougars that track though the area. These cougars have a hunting range some 200 miles across. Of all the animals, the most dangerous in our area are wild dogs that run in packs. These destructive creatures can enter a dairy herd and slaughter most in a single night. They don't feed off the cows, they simply kill them by slashes. Me, I'll take the wolf.. cuz they are smart enough to be stay away from humans.grin Richard
Re: [Vo]:We have dark high energy company, Nemesis?
Howdy Horace, Whoa! most of what is reported is speculation. They start with a budget, they report finding something they are unsure of but more money is needed for more research..and on and on. If these stargazers sound like BL Power it is because they are all cut from the same bolt of cloth. These are the sort of people created in petre dishes and cultured at our universities to produce mush they describe as research. The wizard in the movie Wizard of Oz renders a definitive homily on the matter as he confers a degree of E Pluribus Unim upon the strawman. Richard
Re: [Vo]:The case for Chapt. 11 bankruptcy for carmakers
Howdy Jones, Still won't work. Regardless of assets and market position, longevity etc.. it will always get down to people in leadership. The ideal way to work out the US auto industry would be for it to transition to bankrupcy to acquisition by people that know how to run a manufacturing business. It would only take 5 bright young guys.. dump GM, Ford and Chrysler into a single enterprise. Won't happen, too much baggage and too few people with knowhow, plus congress would never allow the opportunity for politics to escape them. Richard One of several good articles http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/19/BUVG147QK6.DTL Bankruptcy is the only way to trim the gross layers of fat off the top - get rid of Putz and the fleets of corporate jets and other perks.
Re: [Vo]:We have dark high energy company, Nemesis?
Doesn't preclude it from being pyramid shaped. They would understand that. Richard - Original Message - From: Taylor J. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:16 AM Subject: [Vo]:We have dark high energy company, Nemesis? Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...are we really sure that the biblical measurements imply a cube shape? Perhaps they just indicate a total volume in a way that was comprehensible to the locals. ;) Horace Heffner wrote: This is indeed apparently highly dependent on the translation and interpretation of Revelation 21:16. One interpretation is simply that the length, width, and height are the same. This could describe a sphere or a variety of shapes. Michel wrote: Ahem, there seems to be a less heavenly explanation to those cloud structures: http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060515/full/news060515-17.html ``Geometric whirlpools revealed Recipe for making symmetrical holes in water is easy ... Bizarre geometric shapes that appear at the centre of swirling vortices in planetary atmospheres might be explained by a simple experiment with a bucket of water. Researchers at the Technical University of Denmark in Lyngby have created similar geometric shapes (holes in the form of stars, squares, pentagons and hexagons) in whirlpools of water in a cylindrical bucket.'' Harry wrote: I have wondered if ET would signal with particles instead of em waves. Hi All, Just some thoughts in the spirit of this conversation: My level of belief does not seem to be able to go beyond That door is shut. I'll have open it to walk through the doorway. Like those guy's with tails in 'Childhood's End', I just have to live with my limitation -- I never felt bad about demonstrating fields on an overhead projector to innocent students although I privately thought a field was just a calculational convenience. Personally, I can get my mind around particles better than waves; but the real issue is what is the best design equation for the situation at hand. As far as big bangs, neutrinos, phlogiston, epicycles, black holes, etc. are concerned, for me they are interesting fancies. Some day I would like to run across a proof of the statement that No more than 30 angels can dance on the head of a pin at the same time. On a more serious note, I get the feeling that the American Taliban would like to criminalize interpreting the Bible, especially Revelation. The passage of the anti-gay constitutional amendment in California (shades of Jonestown) should be strong evidence that their efforts to impose a Christian Sharia on us should not be taken lightly. Jack Smith No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM
[Vo]:Earth's minerals have evolved over time
Harry Veeder wrote 11-21-08: Cosmos Online, Monday, 17 November 2008 ``Earth's minerals have evolved over time SYDNEY: Geologists have found that Earth's 'mineral kingdom' has co- evolved with life, and that up to two thirds of the more than 4,000 known types of minerals can be directly or indirectly linked to fiological activity ...'' -- Hi All, Has Gaia produced us fire-making animals to stop Earth from plunging into another deep freeze? You may find the follwoing of some interest: Jack Smith --- http://naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-03/ns_folk.html ``Nanobacteria: surely not figments, but what under heaven are they? ROBERT L. FOLK Note 1 Department of Geological Sciences, University of Texas, Austin, Texas 78712, USA Received February 11, 1997, published March 4, 1997 Summary: Nannobacteria are very small living creatures in the 0.05 to 0.2 micrometer range. They are enormously abundant in minerals and rocks, and probably run most of the earth's surface chemistry. Although I conjecture that they form most of the world's biomass, they remain biota incognita to the biological world as their genetic relationships, metabolism, and other characteristics remain to be investigated. Introduction Nannobacteria are dwarf forms of bacteria, mostly 0.05 to 0.2 micrometers, about one-tenth the diameter and 1/1000 the volume of ordinary bacteria. The word was first published as nanobacteria by Richard Y. Morita in 1988, but I used the spelling nanno- to conform with geological usage, e.g., nannoplankton. ... Discovery The important role of nannobacteria in the mineralogical world was discovered through dumb luck, idle curiosity and random reading. There was no LIFETIME RESEARCH PLAN or THIS CAN GET ME LOTS OF NATIONAL FUNDING idea involved. I was simply looking for a good excuse to continue doing field work in Italy because I loved the food and lifestyle, and hit upon the idea of working on the travertines of Rome (travertine is a whitish type of limestone, usually porous, formed in springs, lakes and streams, and has been used as building stone in Rome for 2000 years). Together with Professor Henry S. Chafetz of the University of Houston, I began work on the Italian travertines in 1979. In the course of this research it was discovered by chance that normal-sized bacteria, mainly sulfur-oxidizers, had played a very substantial role in precipitating this stone from the warm springs at Tivoli. Before this discovery neither Chafetz nor myself knew or cared anything about bacteria, as we were specialists in microscopic examination of limestones. In 1988, I returned to Italy to study the hot-spring travertines of Viterbo, about 50 km northwest of Rome. A new electron microscope with magnifications up to 100,000X began to reveal hordes of tiny bumps and balls. At first I passed them off as artifacts of sample preparation or laboratory contamination, as had every other scientist who had studied minerals and rocks with the scanning electron microscope (SEM) ... After a year of doubts, a little reading in Microbiology unearthed the fact that very small cells called ultramicrobacteria did in fact exist. With further SEM work, slowly the realization dawned that there really were entombed in minerals enormously abundant cells of this minute size (Figure 1), and in some examples the minerals seemed to be entirely made up of nannobacteria as closely packed as beans in a bag ... Sometimes within a single crystal of mineral, part of the crystal would be crowded with nannobacteria and parts would be deserted, belying the idea of artifacts or that's the way minerals naturally dissolve. Their occurrence in chains and grape-like clusters further attested to their true living status ... Although DNA analysis of mineralized nannobacteria has yet to be done, some attempt has been made by medical researchers who find nanobacterial cells the same size as those I have observed, with cell walls that are very tough and that are resistant to acids, stains and poisons. Because of the tough walls special methods are required to isolate the DNA which occurs as very short strands (O. Kajander, Univ. Kuopio, Finland, personal communication) ... Occurrence At the initial discovery site, the hot springs of Viterbo, Lazio, Italy, some nannobacteria are found in untreated samples along with rare bacteria of normal size (Folk 1993b). However, upon slight etching with HCl, hordes of nannobacteria are revealed entombed in the calcite and aragonite crystals, like peanuts in peanut brittle ... Once they were discovered in the travertines of Viterbo, nannobacteria were soon found in limestones and dolomites (CaMg(CO3)2) in rocks of all ages back to two billion years old (Folk 1993a) ... Silica minerals also show evidence of precipitation by nannobacteria. Such has been observed to be the case with opal, chalcedony, chert and cristobalite (Folk et al. 1995). They are revealed by brief etching with
Re: [Vo]:Earth's minerals have evolved over time
On Nov 22, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Taylor J. Smith wrote: Hi All, Has Gaia produced us fire-making animals to stop Earth from plunging into another deep freeze? You may find the follwoing of some interest: Jack Smith --- http://naturalscience.com/ns/articles/01-03/ns_folk.html ``Nanobacteria: surely not figments, but what under heaven are they? ROBERT L. FOLK Note 1 Department of Geological Sciences, University of Texas, Austin, Texas 78712, USA Received February 11, 1997, published March 4, 1997 Note the Mars reference therein: Even if they are not normal bacteria, they can easily be cultured (Figure 2) and those grown for a few days look exactly like those occurring in rocks and minerals (Figure 3) as old as 2 billion years or as recent as today, and are dead ringers for those occurring on Mars as to size, shape, and surface features (see McKay et al. 1996). And so the study of nannobacteria chugged along at a sluggish pace until the electrifying discovery of the meteorite from Mars in Antarctica (McKay et al. 1996). Chris Romanek of NASA had heard my 1992 lecture, my coming out of the closet presentation on nannobacteria in carbonate rocks (Folk 1992) and decided to try the techniques on the Martian meteorite ALH84001. Forms in the 0.1 micrometer range, exactly resembling nannobacteria found on Earth, were discovered in this meteorite. The incognoscenti immediately attacked, using the arguments too small to be bacteria, artifacts, being unaware of the previous six years of work done on these minute creatures. In fact, unpublished photographs of work done by myself and F. Leo Lynch on Sicilian volcanic clays with nannobacteria can exactly duplicate every published photograph issued by NASA (Figure 3, Lynch and Folk 1996). Even more far out, work by us on a carbonaceous chondrite meteorite (Allende) reveals distinct grape-like clusters of 0.05 micrometer balls, probably nannobacteria as well, and this time kosher extraterrestrials without any chance of contamination from earthly ice or soils (Figure 5). Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Mark Goldes Interview
Bill Alek's is a young alternative energy researcher who has an internet radio interview show called Vortex Network News (not related to this forum AFIK) which leans towards almost every kind of exotic science or health claim. Today (Sat), his special guest in an interview that just ended was Mark Goldes, Chairman of Magnetic Power and RTS. Highly recommended. http://www.magnetic powerinc. com/ The interview focused on Room Temperature Superconductors, which will see a resurgence soon, and also on the other magnetic devices (ZPE powered) which MPI is close to showing publicly; and also on the grand-daddy of all ZPE gizmos - the Coler device from preNazi Germany - which by all rights should have been developed half a century ago (or more). http://peswiki. com/index. php/Directory: Hans_Coler_ Magnetic_ Power_Apparatus I think this hour long interview will be in Alek's archive soon. http://www.achiever adio.com/ vortex-progressi ve-tech/index. php Mark Goldes - like Randy Mills of BLP - has suffered undue criticism because of unforseen delays in getting these technologies to a public demonstration stage; but 2009, maybe by the spring of 2009 - this may finally be the long-awaited time when something convincing in a ZPE converter will be shown to the public. After all, and in defense of these delays - in comparison to Mills - Mark has had access to only a small fraction of the $60+ million which Mills has burned through; yet he has investigated many more devices of interest - and has not been burdened by an incorrect theory of operation like Mills' CQM and yet, Mark might very well demonstrate something of greater value to society than the BLP reactor, when all is said and done. This is especially true since Mills' product, as BLP freely admits - will need continuous fuel reprocessing, not unlike the filling station for fossil fuel (if used in automotive) but will have the main advantage of no pollution (other than the nickel mines) - ...whereas ZPE extraction will not need regular refueling. If there are downsides to using ZPE as an energy source - they are not apparent now; but some have suggested that ultimately (to the extent that ZPE can be identified with 'dark energy') this extraction may slow the rate of cosmic expansion. Is that a bad thing? Brought to you by the 'other' Vortex Network News. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Polar Structure on Saturn
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:09:33 -0900: Hi, [snip] OK, how about a scientific conspiracy theory then? Here's a very scientific one from Bob Park: On Nov 21, 2008, at 3:30 PM, What's New wrote: WHATS NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 21 Nov 08 Washington, DC 1. DSCOVR: WHAT IS IT THEY DONT WANT THE WORLD TO SEE? At a meeting of 44 top climate scientists in Frankfurt, Germany in March, it was agreed that observations from the L-1 point, a stable point between the Sun and Earth, are essential for assessing changes in cloud cover and climate. The latest plan for the Deep Space Climate Observatory is to park it at the L-1 point, from which it could forever stare at the Sun, but modify it to prevent it from looking back at Earth. It sounds like the biblical story of Lot. The plan, said to be urged by the Air Force, is the latest chapter in the bizarre history of DSCOVR, which was to have been launched in 2001. Instead it was kept in solitary confinement in Greenbelt, MD. From the L-1 point it could have continuously monitored reflected and emitted radiation from the whole Earth. What dont they want us to see? How about the back of the Moon, which I suspect would also be visible from there? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:Polar Structure on Saturn
In reply to William Beaty's message of Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:16:13 -0800 (PST): Hi, On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even the hexagonal structure itself appears to be just that - a structure. Note the many rectangular substructures. Nah, just pixels. Compare that photo at http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpegMod/PIA09185_modest.jpg with this higher-res one at http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0811/saturnhexaurora_cassini_big.jpg and http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA11396 [snip] I did think of that yesterday, but the resolution on the other photos seemed finer than the size of some of the rectangles. However the one you point to here above makes it appear much more a natural phenomenon. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:making antimatter
One must devote the necessary time to meditate upon the musings of Jones in order to gather the full depth.. or, the absence of depth, when considering the word figurative. Not only can the hole exist, it can exist when it's absent. Interestingly, like a lost wax method of casting. The question remains.. how does the wax become lost? Fortunately, the Dime Box keeps regular hours, else folks could wander in and only catch part of the conversation which can lead to strange conclusions. Richard Although it is a good bet that Richard offered this bit of hidden knowledge 'tongue-in-cheek' - perhaps as the start of a dime-box sucker-bet, so to speak... ... there is literal truth to it (in vino veritas?) ... so be glad I saved you a few bucks for the next round of shots - with the following whiskey-talk ... OTOH does the dime-box open this early? The positive charge is almost always identified figuratively as an electron hole and what hidden particle in nature always acts as an electron hole? BTW if you said positive ion - instead of positron - my conclusion is still the same: the +ion is positive because it has an attached real positron. This particle however is normally neutral and unseen to us. All of this semantics duality - which is inherent in the fact that a figurative hole can be a real particle - can be resolved by looking at, or specifically for the interface which is the thin-line or boundary between 3-space and reciprocal space. This is the space where positrons can emerge from normal-neutrality (from our perspective) so to speak, and hang out with impunity, like on a teetering bar-stool, and not fall fully into forbidden-zone of 3-space (where all the crazies live)... Jones -- From: R C Macaulay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does it really matter? Positrons are actually neutrons since the positive pole of a battery is actually the negative when you think about it. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Polar Structure on Saturn
On Nov 22, 2008, at 11:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reply to William Beaty's message of Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:16:13 -0800 (PST): Hi, On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even the hexagonal structure itself appears to be just that - a structure. Note the many rectangular substructures. Nah, just pixels. Compare that photo at http:// photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpegMod/PIA09185_modest.jpg with this higher-res one at http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/ 0811/saturnhexaurora_cassini_big.jpg Well that clinches it, the ship is gone in the high-res photo, showing the docking station. 8^) and http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA11396 [snip] I did think of that yesterday, but the resolution on the other photos seemed finer than the size of some of the rectangles. However the one you point to here above makes it appear much more a natural phenomenon. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Man cured of AIDS
Harry Veeder wrote: - Original Message - From: OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:39 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Man cured of AIDS This has been both a fascinating and lengthy discussion thread. ... A rock, imo, is conscious of the Earth but it is not self-conscious. It is knows to fall to the earth, but it doesn't worry about hurting itself. It solves many problems if we grant consciousness to so called dead matter, and instead ask how uncousciousness and self- consciousness arose. Harry Self-Consciousness may be over rated. Do I detect a note of sarcasm? ;-) I use consciousness and self-consciousness as synonyms for awareness and self-awareness. I don't, and I don't agree with Jed on a number of points, but unfortunately I ran out of energy on debating this one so I am going to let it slide (and anyhow it is kind of off topic). I'm actually happier with an assertion that rocks are conscious than I am with an assertion that behavioral psychology has already provided an answer to the question what is consciousness? but whatever... It's been a busy and somewhat stressful week here, as our newly acquired (and obviously conscious!) family member, who had previously been living under our porch (and whose picture I have attempted to attach -- we'll see if it goes through) has been throwing up regularly since she got back from her checkup at the vet a few hours after her arrival. It's apparently a bad reaction to the antibiotic which was supposed to keep her from getting sick. Feedings once every hour, and every third feeding, she barfs ... oy. One of these days I may post the parts of Cattic which I've deciphered -- a half dozen words (mostly non-visual) and a few sentences, a bit more complex than one might have expected, but probably all innate rather than learned... inline: IMG_5461.small.jpg
[Vo]:Petrified wood on Mars?
IMHO, this man should use image enhancement software on some of those images. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cqDe-6WsBINR=1 --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Polar Structure on Saturn
Undeniably, NASA is doing a great job covering Mars. With the skills afforded us by NASA, Satellites, and the US Navy, one would assume the pirates of Somalia would not be able to capture 10 ships a month ( an average of one every 3 days) It is obvious something is wrong with our pirate recognition technology. At a local level, the Dime Box Saloon will have a new policy.. every pirate entering the saloon must wear a pirate costume, have a peg leg, be armed with a scimatar and pistola. have a patch over one eye, be a cap,n... and pay with pieces of eight. Richard Well that clinches it, the ship is gone in the high-res photo, showing the docking station. 8^) and http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA11396 [snip] I did think of that yesterday, but the resolution on the other photos seemed finer than the size of some of the rectangles. However the one you point to here above makes it appear much more a natural phenomenon. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Polar Structure on Saturn
one mans fiction is another mans future. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:29 PM, thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:33:49 -0900: Hi, Even the hexagonal structure itself appears to be just that - a structure. Note the many rectangular substructures. This could be a force field protected city on a hard surface - or suspended by an anti-gravity field - or even just You posted this to the wrong list, this is scientific anomalies, not science fiction. --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Polar Structure on Saturn
heres a link with some pics and more info. http://cheerfulcurmudgeon.com/2006/05/22/geometric-whirlpools/ On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Horace Heffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 21, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Michel Jullian wrote: To what, the explanation, the journal, neither? ;) Michel I realized right after sending that it was ambiguous and that I did not include a smiley. I don't subscribe to the journal. I don't know yet as to whether stirring a pot provides a description of what is happening on Saturn. 8^) Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Polar Structure on Saturn
Negatory. Someone doesn't know how that small shack outside Lagrange works, i take it? Lagrange Point 1, or, L-1, is the point of stability directly BETWEEN two bodies. so between teh earth and moon. not gonna see the farside from there. On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 1:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:09:33 -0900: Hi, [snip] OK, how about a scientific conspiracy theory then? Here's a very scientific one from Bob Park: On Nov 21, 2008, at 3:30 PM, What's New wrote: WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 21 Nov 08 Washington, DC 1. DSCOVR: WHAT IS IT THEY DON'T WANT THE WORLD TO SEE? At a meeting of 44 top climate scientists in Frankfurt, Germany in March, it was agreed that observations from the L-1 point, a stable point between the Sun and Earth, are essential for assessing changes in cloud cover and climate. The latest plan for the Deep Space Climate Observatory is to park it at the L-1 point, from which it could forever stare at the Sun, but modify it to prevent it from looking back at Earth. It sounds like the biblical story of Lot. The plan, said to be urged by the Air Force, is the latest chapter in the bizarre history of DSCOVR, which was to have been launched in 2001. Instead it was kept in solitary confinement in Greenbelt, MD. From the L-1 point it could have continuously monitored reflected and emitted radiation from the whole Earth. What don't they want us to see? How about the back of the Moon, which I suspect would also be visible from there? [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
