[Vo]:Chu's reaction on change.gov
See video on http://change.gov/newsroom/entry/hl_citizens_briefing_book_dr._steven_chu_reacts/ Interesting insights on various energy issues, but no mention of CF. Michel
Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia blacklists LENR-CANR.org
Piki? On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:55 PM, R C Macaulay walha...@cvtv.net wrote: Howdy Jed, At some point in time an awareness arrives that Wiki is a closed society website disguised as an open forum and posting information source. Like the joke about inspectors.. one can argue with an inspector.. but like wrestling with a pig in the mud.. sooner or later.. it dawns on you.. the pig loves it. Or debating the merits of the stock market swings. One's gambling blood screams the market is ripe for recovery and get rich profits... while .. one's intuition screams the market is made for television. Perhaps the huge rush across the world to put loads of cash into T bills that pay zero interest is talking the loudest and screaming the Dow will drop to 2000. If this scope of drop happens, I can take a page outa my grandma's book, when she papered her bathroom wall with GM stock in 1919 and steamed it off in 1944. Speaking of pigs, the Dime Box Saloon downright absurd and drunken ideas society is thinking of starting a website to compete with Wiki but we haven't come up with a name for it. Any chance you have an insider at Wiki that could help us ? Richard
Re: [Vo]:grand plan for electric cars in ontario
Howdy Harry, Electric cars sure make sense. When I was a kid there were still a few around. Almost trouble free performance. BUT.. we had a surplus of electric generating capacity.. TODAY we are bumping our head on the ceiling of capacity. This summer should give us a real shock across the USA with brownouts. This poses the question.. IF electric power shortages begin to become serious this year... AND.. Nuke plants take min of 9 years to build.. and BO willl tax coal plants outa business.. and gas turbine plants are too expensive to compete.. Where the heck are we gonna get the electric power to re-charge the electro-cars? Richard
Re: [Vo]:grand plan for electric cars in ontario
R C Macaulay wrote: BUT.. we had a surplus of electric generating capacity.. TODAY we are bumping our head on the ceiling of capacity. This summer should give us a real shock across the USA with brownouts. This is not a problem. Most electric cars will be in use during the day, and they will be recharged overnight, when there is tremendous unused generator capacity. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Important: NASA hacker Gary McKinnon
From Remi Cornwall: Dear Vortex, I unsubscribed in the past because I simply disagreed with many of the opinions and science that goes on here, to me there is no point in arguing anymore. I would like to use some of the 'cache' I have in Vortex to ask British citizens to lobby their MPs/home secretary/Euro MPs in their own words (and with their own postcodes/emails to avoid being SPAM-handled) on the matter of Gary McKinnon. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7831481.stm http://freegary.org.uk/ This is the story of a British man being crushed by the USA for 'hacking' into their unprotected computers and allegedly finding stuff about 'UFOs'. He did no criminal damage, made no real risk to national security. All he has done is commit the misdemeanour of trespass and this is not a felony warranting 70 years in a US maximum security jail. It is cruel and unusual punishment forbidden by the American constitution anyway. One should fear that US law can usurp British and European independence. Remi. This is my letter, please use your own words. To: Home Secretary Rt Hon. Jacqui Smith MP c/o Direct Communications Unit Home Office 2 Marsham Street London SW1P 4DF On reading the BBC news item about Gary McKinnon and taking the suggestion of his support campaign I write to you as follows: Gary McKinnon has committed no felony. He has caused no criminal damage. He has not threatened national security. He has merely trespassed and it is a misdemeanour. His sentence bears no relation to this misdemeanour. We see child abusers, murderers, rapists get off with trivial sentences of a few years or other legal technicalities. Under the USA constitution his punishment is cruel and unusual and thus is unconstitutional. 70 years in a maximum security prison bears no relation to the offence. This disproportionate crushing of Gary must show that they have a conspiracy to hide. I also object to the usurping of British justice by the USA. The misdemeanour was committed on British soil so he is subject to British Laws. Gary was and still is a man of exemplary character. Please support: Early Day Motion 2388 sponsored by David Burrowes MP I support Gary. Remi Cornwall. I would concur with Remi's assessment. I'm not in a position to assess, nor agree or disagree with what Gary presumed to have uncovered while he was hacking into certain USA government web sites. If Gary uncovered anything of interest, perhaps it it may have been more of an embarrassment rather than exploiting actual national security issues. Below is a link to an on-line video interview of Gary conducted back in 2006 by Project Camelot. http://www.projectcamelot.net/gary_mckinnon.html Excerpt from web page link: Gary McKinnon : Hacking the Pentagon London, June 2006 I (Kerry Cassidy) caught up with Gary McKinnon in North London on my way back from safari in Kenya. The interview was shot using a hand-held camcorder and uploaded at 4 am UK time, making use of a wireless connection outside of an office building in downtown Birmingham. This is what is known as guerilla filmmaking... We sat in the back of his local pub, in a garden in the late afternoon. Gary is lucid, eloquent and extremely intelligent. He made it clear that the real reason the Americans want to extradite him is not for any damage he has done, for in fact there wasn't any. They are pursuing him is because of what he might have seen. Specifically, documents revealing a list of Non-terrestrial officers and off-world cargo operations somewhere out in space, hinting at the real possibility of military activities taking place in relation to other planets. Such a possibility has got to be mind-blowing to the average person who barely grasps that there might actually be aliens from other worlds interacting with earth and governments in the vicinity of our solar system. Key to the whole extradition matter is the issue that there were NO passwords required in order to access this material... and that a relatively unprofessional hacker, self-taught albeit brilliant, would be able, using a dial-up modem, to gain top secret access to NASA files and places as sacrosanct as the Pentagon. ** Stargate Atlantis, Here we go again!!! ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia blacklists LENR-CANR.org
Terry sez: Piki? I must confess that I use Wiki (Oink-Oink-Piki!) a lot. It's a quik invaluable informational resource for NON CONTROVERSIAL subjects. It should be obvious to anyone by now that relying on Wiki for information on issues possessing a modicum of controversy is indicative of lazy ignorance. What's the status of Knol? Last I herd it wasn't fairing too well. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[VO]: Fire Vortex
Howdy Vorts, It is difficult to estimate the speed of the visible fire cone as it accelerates upward.. but.. momentary bursts indicate an unbelievable acceleration is attained. Richard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_whirl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fw1qiAld2Ufeature=related
Re: [VO]: Fire Vortex
Richard sez: Howdy Vorts, It is difficult to estimate the speed of the visible fire cone as it accelerates upward.. but.. momentary bursts indicate an unbelievable acceleration is attained. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_whirl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fw1qiAld2Ufeature=related And Moses beheld a column of fire. I wonder what were the missing five commandments - from the original 15 commandments. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:grand plan for electric cars in ontario
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 8:45 AM, R C Macaulay walha...@cvtv.net wrote: Where the heck are we gonna get the electric power to re-charge the electro-cars? At night, wholesale power is free due to excess capacity as Jed points out. During the day, we will do like the Fed, and simply print power: http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-9972306-54.html Terry
Re: [Vo]:grand plan for electric cars in ontario
But so far, electric car manufacturers have been a disappointment: http://venturebeat.com/2009/01/13/electric-cars-disappointed-in-2008-and-2009-wont-be-different/ Terry On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote: Grand plan for electric cars takes shape in Ontario Last Updated: Thursday, January 15, 2009 | 12:45 PM ET Comments129Recommend83 CBC News A U.S. company that promotes infrastructure to support electric cars is going to open a site in Toronto to demonstrate the vehicles, Shai Agassi, founder and CEO of Better Place, said Thursday. He called the joint announcement with the provincial government the all-important first step in an expected electric car charging network rollout for Canada. Ontario is supporting the plan by studying ways to speed up the introduction of electric cars to the province, said Premier Dalton McGuinty. The study is scheduled for release in May. It will look at financial incentives to encourage drivers to buy electric vehicles, giving such cars preferred access to the transportation grid, having the government buy electric vehicles and promoting them... http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2009/01/15/ontario-electric.html
[Vo]:Change.gov submission now at 360
To reiterate, my submission to the Citizen's Briefing Book is here: http://citizensbriefingbook.change.gov/ideas/viewIdea.apexp?id=08780004qPn It is now at 360 votes (36 people). Earlier it was at 370 but someone voted against it. If the skeptics hear about it, they will send it to negative territory. The additional votes have made it somewhat more likely to attract attention. Overall votes for the top 200 submissions have increased about 45% since yesterday, whereas this one has increased 125%. Yesterday it was about 1000 from the top; today it is roughly 600 from the top. Several well-known researchers have added comments, which I think enhances the credibility of the message. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Change.gov submission now at 360
As of 14:00 it has dropped to 350. If people do not vote for this it will submerge. It is a shame this web site does not show all votes pro and con. You have to wonder what sort of person opposes academic freedom so much they vote against this: Senior researchers at National Laboratories, the U. S. Navy and other government laboratories have done outstanding cold fusion research in the past, and they would like to do more, but they have not been adequately funded. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Change.gov submission now at 360
I'm not sure, but it seems that fake IDs can vote too. Mark Jordan On 16 Jan 2009 at 14:02, Jed Rothwell wrote: As of 14:00 it has dropped to 350. If people do not vote for this it will submerge. It is a shame this web site does not show all votes pro and con. You have to wonder what sort of person opposes academic freedom so much they vote against this: Senior researchers at National Laboratories, the U. S. Navy and other government laboratories have done outstanding cold fusion research in the past, and they would like to do more, but they have not been adequately funded. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Change.gov submission now at 360
MJ wrote: I'm not sure, but it seems that fake IDs can vote too. Yes, I am sure they can. That would be called sock puppet voting, I believe. I wouldn't countenance it but I also wouldn't put it past the skeptics! This is one of the reasons I do not take this website very seriously. Another reason is that the first proposals uploaded got a large, unfair advantage. They should an option to mix them up and display them in random order for voting. - Jed
[Vo]:Detecting the Holographic Blurriness of Space-Time
Our World Might be a Giant Hologram http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126911.300-our-world-may-be-a-giant-hologram.html DRIVING through the countryside south of Hanover, it would be easy to miss the GEO600 experiment. From the outside, it doesn't look much: in the corner of a field stands an assortment of boxy temporary buildings, from which two long trenches emerge, at a right angle to each other, covered with corrugated iron. Underneath the metal sheets, however, lies a detector that stretches for 600 metres. For the past seven years, this German set-up has been looking for gravitational waves - ripples in space-time thrown off by super-dense astronomical objects such as neutron stars and black holes. GEO600 has not detected any gravitational waves so far, but it might inadvertently have made the most important discovery in physics for half a century. For many months, the GEO600 team-members had been scratching their heads over inexplicable noise that is plaguing their giant detector. Then, out of the blue, a researcher approached them with an explanation. In fact, he had even predicted the noise before he knew they were detecting it. According to Craig Hogan, a physicist at the Fermilab particle physics lab in Batavia, Illinois, GEO600 has stumbled upon the fundamental limit of space-time - the point where space-time stops behaving like the smooth continuum Einstein described and instead dissolves into grains, just as a newspaper photograph dissolves into dots as you zoom in. It looks like GEO600 is being buffeted by the microscopic quantum convulsions of space-time, says Hogan. If this doesn't blow your socks off, then Hogan, who has just been appointed director of Fermilab's Center for Particle Astrophysics, has an even bigger shock in store: If the GEO600 result is what I suspect it is, then we are all living in a giant cosmic hologram. more
Re: [Vo]:Detecting the Holographic Blurriness of Space-Time
Terry sez: Our World Might be a Giant Hologram http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126911.300-our-world-may-be-a-giant-hologram.html DRIVING through the countryside south of Hanover, it would be easy to miss the GEO600 experiment. From the outside, it doesn't look much: in the corner of a field stands an assortment of boxy temporary buildings, from which two long trenches emerge, at a right angle to each other, covered with corrugated iron. Underneath the metal sheets, however, lies a detector that stretches for 600 metres. For the past seven years, this German set-up has been looking for gravitational waves - ripples in space-time thrown off by super-dense astronomical objects such as neutron stars and black holes. GEO600 has not detected any gravitational waves so far, but it might inadvertently have made the most important discovery in physics for half a century. For many months, the GEO600 team-members had been scratching their heads over inexplicable noise that is plaguing their giant detector. Then, out of the blue, a researcher approached them with an explanation. In fact, he had even predicted the noise before he knew they were detecting it. According to Craig Hogan, a physicist at the Fermilab particle physics lab in Batavia, Illinois, GEO600 has stumbled upon the fundamental limit of space-time - the point where space-time stops behaving like the smooth continuum Einstein described and instead dissolves into grains, just as a newspaper photograph dissolves into dots as you zoom in. It looks like GEO600 is being buffeted by the microscopic quantum convulsions of space-time, says Hogan. If this doesn't blow your socks off, then Hogan, who has just been appointed director of Fermilab's Center for Particle Astrophysics, has an even bigger shock in store: If the GEO600 result is what I suspect it is, then we are all living in a giant cosmic hologram. more Warning. You only have 60 seconds left to insert another quarter before disconnection. Make sure your mantra is current. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Change.gov submission now at 360
At 16:00 score has struggled to reach a new high of 380. I do not see any change in the traffic at LENR-CANR.org. You cannot put a direct link into Change.gov, but I have the website name in ordinary text, and Ludwik Kowalski added it as well. There have been no negative comments, interestingly enough. Lots of helpful positive comments. Thank you to all who have supported this initiative. You never know; it might do some good, and I don't see how it can do any harm. - Jed
[Vo]:Change.gov data from midday today
For those keeping score, here is my tally of the top 190 items at the Citizen's Briefing Book, taken around midday. The total number of entries in the Energy and Environment section was: 01/15/093200 01/16/093800 Score of top 190 entries (every tenth item): 57120 24200 16980 11440 8090 6150 4890 4160 3410 3040 2750 2360 2100 1980 1790 1680 1520 1420 1320 1270 This is where I determined that total votes have risen ~45% for the top items. The distribution is similar to what it was yesterday. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Detecting the Holographic Blurriness of Space-Time
For many months, the GEO600 team-members had been scratching their heads over inexplicable noise that is plaguing their giant detector. snip... Then, out of the blue, a researcher approached them with an explanation. In fact, he had even predicted the noise before he knew they were detecting it. snip prophecy in science... dissolves into dots as you zoom in. It looks like GEO600 is being buffeted by the microscopic quantum convulsions of space-time, says Hogan. Is this why my shock absorbers are buffeted when I drive down Niagara Falls Blvd.? Or is that just the potholes? If this doesn't blow your socks off, then Hogan, who has just been appointed director of Fermilab's Center for Particle Astrophysics, has an even bigger shock in store: If the GEO600 result is what I suspect it is, then we are all living in a giant cosmic hologram. Wow. We hear some noise between 300-1500cps, and that means the universe is a hologram. Planck sized nougaty bite-size bits on a pringle-shaped universe of some kind. Can I get some quantum foam atop my Guiness? There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. -- Mark Twain Cheers, --Kyle
[VO]:Gas-deprived European nations
Howdy Vorts, There is no substitute for getting a pitchfork in the rear to make one move it. Russia can now hold Europe hostage at will with a gas pipeline. I suggest that Europe will begin to take solar and wind electric power generation a step ahead. The storage solution may be to produce a form of hydrogen. Human nature dictates that one sit on their rear until sum'buddy grabs the rocking chair out from under them. If Europe embarks on step in this direction, The USA will follow, lead or get outa the way Richard http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28692207
[Vo]:Message posted to Wikipedia cold fusion discussion section
The machinations of the skeptics at Wikipedia are hysterical. - Jed == Surrealistic discussion of LENR-CANR.org and Jed Rothwell == I do not know if I am allowed to contribute here, but someone informed me there is a surrealistic conversation underway here about me. So perhaps you will allow me the liberty to straighten out a few things. Several issues have been raised here, but perhaps the two most important ones are: 1. Am I stealing papers without permission and uploading them LENR-CANR.org? 2. If I am not, how can I prove my innocence? (Conversely, if I am, how can you prove I am guilty?) I think it is easy to show that I am not stealing anything, and you can confirm this independently without asking me for proof, and without depending upon my word. I recommend the old fashioned, commonsense approach. First, let's look at some evidence, including evidence you can find in a bookstore or university library, off the internet, away from LENR-CANR, where I could not have had a hand in creating it or faking it. Then, let us draw some conclusions from this evidence. First: There are a number of books in English and Japanese that mention LENR-CANR.org, and include acknowledgments to me, as the operator of the site and also as someone who helped write the book itself. See, for example, the books about cold fusion by Beaudette, Storms, and A. C. Clarke (Profiles of the Future Millennium Edition), Mizuno and Takahashi. There are number of cold fusion papers in journals and conference proceedings that include hyperlinks to papers at LENR-CANR.org. Several papers mention me, in footnotes or acknowledgments. Two of the proceedings list me as an editor. Several of the proceedings list me in the back as a participant, and they include me in the group photo. So, what does this tell you? It tells you that the authors of these books and papers are aware of LENR-CANR.org. It tells you they know who I am. They know how to reach me. Anyone does: my e-mail address, phone number and mailing address is on the front page at LENR-CANR.org. It is proof that these authors have no objection to my uploading their papers. Some of them, such as Miles and Storms, have their own web sites, with pointers to LENR-CANR.org, so clearly they have no objection to the content there. You can safely conclude that I am widely known to many researchers in the field, and that if I were uploading papers without the author and publisher's permission, they would quickly hear about it. They would know where to find me, and they would tell me to stop. You can also independently confirm, by various methods, that people download thousands of papers per week from LENR-CANR.org, as shown in our News section. In other words, I am not uploading papers secretly, without anyone noticing. If I were doing it illicitly, without permission, I would soon be caught. It is also obvious that I have the cooperation of authors and publishers, because I have several original manuscripts in Word format converted to Acrobat. (Not the final journal format.) Obviously, I could only have acquired them from the authors themselves, and it is not likely that I am a cat burglar or master Internet hacker who has acquired them without permission. In point of fact I have more than a thousand other papers in scanned format plus a few thousand others on paper that authors and publishers have NOT granted me permission to upload, and thus are not available at LENR-CANR.org. You can see the list of them. Several of these are critically important to the field and it is shame I cannot present them. Let me address one other issue that has arisen here, which is: How do you know that the copies of the papers at LENR-CANR.org are correct? How do you know I am not changing the content, as at least one person here alleges? This sort of question would only be asked by someone who is totally dependent on the Internet and never knew the world as it was before 1995. You can confirm the accuracy of my copies by comparing them to other copies in libraries. All of the journal papers at LENR-CANR.org came from the libraries Los Alamos, Georgia Tech., the University of Utah and Aarhus Univ, and the proceedings were published by the Italian Physical Soc. and other organizations listed at LENR-CANR.org. So anyone who wants can read original sources and find out whether I have copied them correctly or not. And by the way, if you find I have not copied one correctly because of an OCR error for example, or because I have preprint manuscript from the author, please let me know. That also applies to the official documents published by the DoE that people here accuse me of faking or changing, such as the ERAB report. Did it not occur to these people to go to the DoE, get the original document, and compare it to my version? Did they imagine I am betting that no one, anywhere, will have enough sense to do that? Such accusations are mind-boggling. Anyone with an ounce of sense can catch me or prove
[Vo]:OT:The Black Hole
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=P5_Msrdg3Hk ;-) Harry
Re: [VO]:Gas-deprived European nations
R C Macaulay wrote: There is no substitute for getting a pitchfork in the rear to make one move it. Russia can now hold Europe hostage at will with a gas pipeline. I suggest that Europe will begin to take solar and wind electric power generation a step ahead. Good point! I had not thought of it, but Putin may be the best friend alternative energy has. Better than Al Gore, by gum. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Detecting the Holographic Blurriness of Space-Time
Kyle McAllister wrote: For many months, the GEO600 team-members had been scratching their heads over inexplicable noise that is plaguing their giant detector. snip...Then, out of the blue, a researcher approached them with an explanation. In fact, he had even predicted the noise before he knew they were detecting it. snip prophecy in science... dissolves into dots as you zoom in. It looks like GEO600 is being buffeted by the microscopic quantum convulsions of space-time, says Hogan. Is this why my shock absorbers are buffeted when I drive down Niagara Falls Blvd.? Or is that just the potholes? No, but I think that it is related to quantum vacuum fluxiations. If this doesn't blow your socks off, then Hogan, who has just been appointed director of Fermilab's Center for Particle Astrophysics, has an even bigger shock in store: If the GEO600 result is what I suspect it is, then we are all living in a giant cosmic hologram. Wow. We hear some noise between 300-1500cps, and thatn means the universe is a hologram. One of my physics tutors, was Frank Meyer, Emeritus Professor from the University of Wisconsin system. He was the president of the group that advocates Dewey B Larson's Reciprocal System. He told me the physical universe was flashing off and on, like a strobe light. A Canadian researcher published high speed photographs showing a phenomena called Bosivert Gaps. When I mentioned them to Frank, he was vindicated. I read a similar story in the book, Holographic Universe. BTW, Puthoff's research is mentioned several times in the book. Perhaps Hoyt Sterns will comment about Reciprocity. Planck sized nougaty bite-size bits on a pringle-shaped universe of some kind. Can I get some quantum foam atop my Guiness? There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact. -- Mark Twain C to C AM regularly has guests on who are theoretical physicists, Micho Kaku being a classic case in point. Given some of his ideas, which IMHO, would be great grist for an edition of Analog or Amazing Stories, I question his having either foot on the ground. Applied physicists, Hal Puthoff being a case in point is grounded in the reality of producing changes in the physical world. OTOH, if that's just a hologram, then anything should be possible. Hum, why am I having such a difficult time getting money? --- Get FREE High Speed Internet from USFamily.Net! -- http://www.usfamily.net/mkt-freepromo.html ---
Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia blacklists LENR-CANR.org
unless, as I've heard you used Gmail which does not include originating IP in the headers. can anybody confirm/disconfirm? At 07:42 AM 1/15/2009, you wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: A link meaning what? A copy of an e-mail message? That can easily be faked. Not if you include the hidden header information. It becomes entirely traceable. Terry
Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia blacklists LENR-CANR.org and NET too
Jed, I suppose it would be fair to inform you that I have been aware for a few weeks that user JxG, (Guy Chapman from the U.K.) blacklisted both of our sites on Dec. 18. Yours, I think, was upgraded (by JzG's encouragement) to an international Wikimedia meta blacklist. People in Italy are suffering from the consequences of blacklisted access to lenr-canr.org. I have been investigating this situation somewhat, but not entirely, quietly and would like to continue in that mode until my investigation is complete. I think that is about all I want to say on this right now. The ol' man in the Dime Box Saloon is worth listening to. He says here: Speaking of pigs, the Dime Box Saloon downright absurd and drunken ideas society is thinking of starting a website to compete with Wiki but we haven't come up with a name for it. Any chance you have an insider at Wiki that could help us ? I have found that Citizendium was born as an offshoot of Wikipedia for many of the exact reasons that we are aware of, with regard to Wikipedia's faults. http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Citizendium Steve
[Vo]:Are they all correct?
Hi, There are various theories that describe the motion of the electron in the Hydrogen atom. Since each of these theories obeys the conservation laws, it is at least plausible that none of them represent the whole truth. Perhaps the electron behaves according to any/each of them, varying from time to time based upon instantaneous circumstances? After all, the only true constraint placed upon the electron is that it obey the conservation laws. So perhaps one moment the H atom is a Schrodinger atom, and a moment later it is a Bohr atom, then a moment later again, a Mills atom? The main difference between them would appear to be the angular momentum in the ground state, but this could increase or decrease through collisions with other atoms, allowing the atom to switch from one model to another. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Are they all correct?
On Jan 16, 2009, at 7:55 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi, There are various theories that describe the motion of the electron in the Hydrogen atom. Since each of these theories obeys the conservation laws, it is at least plausible that none of them represent the whole truth. Perhaps the electron behaves according to any/each of them, varying from time to time based upon instantaneous circumstances? After all, the only true constraint placed upon the electron is that it obey the conservation laws. So perhaps one moment the H atom is a Schrodinger atom, and a moment later it is a Bohr atom, then a moment later again, a Mills atom? The main difference between them would appear to be the angular momentum in the ground state, but this could increase or decrease through collisions with other atoms, allowing the atom to switch from one model to another. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html As the time intervals for observation get shorter, the rules of conservation diminish in their precision. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
[Vo]:Wikipedia, cold fusion, and censorship
Wikipedia has been infested by a cult of denial, censorship, and hypocracy that casts a dark shadow on the spirit of wiki and the freedom of information that is the spirit of the internet itself. The members of this cult regard themselves as sufficient experts in the fields of cold fusion, low energy nuclear reactions, chemically assisted nuclear reactions, and condensed matter nuclear science to edit, deny, or censor material or references written by PhD experts in these fields - while not having attended any international conferences in the field, read the important papers in the field, or even been exposed to the field enough to know who is who in the field. This cult is a disgrace to Wikipedia. The fundamental value of the cult members is the denial of the reality, validity, or truth of the vast amount of science and literature in this field. It is a culture of fear, fear that the precious position of denial will be exposed as ridiculously wrong. This cult of denial refuses to recognize that the body of information and terminology in a field belongs to its experts and practitioners, regardless how that cult or anyone else might feel about that body of information, its emotional, spiritual, or scientific content. The cult apparently refuses to recognize that LENR-CARN.org is a premier repository for freely accessible articles on cold fusion and related field. This site, Dieter Britz's COLD NUCLEAR FUSION BIBLIOGRAPHY, http://www.chem.au.dk/~db/fusion, and newenergytimes.com are three of the major comprehensive repositories of free information on cold fusion, and readily recognized by experts in the field. Treating any of these site URLs as SPAM is merely a tactic to suppress information regarding cold fusion. Further, the cult is apparently unable to even recognize Jed Rothwell, librarian of LENR-CANR.org and author and translator of books and numerous articles in the field for two decades, as any kind of authority, or his site as a public service. Wiki provides articles titled: Alchemy, Astrology, Numerology, Magic, Witchcraft, Demonology, Conjuring, Divination, Prophecy, Supernatural, Dualism, Monism, Miracle, Neopaganism, Paranormal, Preternatural, Fairies, Werewolves, Vampires, Zombies, Chupacabra, Wizard, Druidry, Hoodo, Palo, Pow-wow, Psychonautics, and Mojo. If these bodies of knowledge are worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, then surely the body of knowledge regarding cold fusion and related fields must have some valid place in Wikipedia, because the exclusion of the extensive body of cold fusion knowledge is hypocritical in the extreme. Further, the above articles include linkages to all kinds sites that should be excluded from Wikipedia if LENR-CANR.org is excluded. Consider the external links in the Astrology article. For example, consider the open directory link: http://www.dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/Divination/ Astrology// Perhaps this link shows a direction toward compromise with Wikipedia. The open directory can be used to form links related to the cold fusion field, and referenced in Wikipedia. Further, an article or articles on cold fusion and related fields might be included without controversy if an appropriate disclaimer written by the cult of denial were included at the front of the article. At least that would prevent the body of knowledge of the field of cold fusion from being fully suppressed, despite the fact it includes articles by Nobel Laureates, professors, PhD's, and scientists working at US government labs. When the cold fusion field is proven valid sufficiently, say by sale of useful products, the disclaimer by the deniers can simply be removed. Meanwhile the field and the documentation of it in Wikipedia can proceed unhindered. That documentation is every bit as valid, useful, and appropriate to Wikipedia as any of the above articles, regardless the emotional content it may have for some individuals. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia, cold fusion, and censorship
So noted At 09:48 PM 1/16/2009, you wrote: Wikipedia has been infested by a cult of denial, censorship, and hypocracy that casts a dark shadow on the spirit of wiki and the [snip]
