Re: [Vo]:Are they all correct?
This discussion naturally brings us to the meaning of life http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8 ;-) Back to QM, my (very limited) understanding is that only the whereabouts of particles involve waves, not the particles themselves. A bit as if they were undergoing brownian motion induced by a network of agitated invisible particles they drift through, correct me someone if this analogy is totally absurd. Michel
Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia, cold fusion, and censorship
Howdy Horace, Add incest to the subject lists in Wikipedia list to make it complete. Of course, one must understand it's all in the interest of science. Richard Horace wrote, Wiki provides articles titled: Alchemy, Astrology, Numerology, Magic, Witchcraft, Demonology, Conjuring, Divination, Prophecy, Supernatural, Dualism, Monism, Miracle, Neopaganism, Paranormal, Preternatural, Fairies, Werewolves, Vampires, Zombies, Chupacabra, Wizard, Druidry, Hoodo, Palo, Pow-wow, Psychonautics, and Mojo. If these bodies of knowledge are worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, then surely the body of knowledge regarding cold fusion and related fields must have some valid place in Wikipedia, because the exclusion of the extensive body of cold fusion knowledge is hypocritical in the extreme.
Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia, cold fusion, and censorship
Howdy Thomas, The problem with embarking on the course taken by Wikipedia is the original error they built into their guidance system. Ole Pilate was sorta confused with a similar problem way back when he asked Jesus.. what is truth? The Dime Box Saloon solved the problem by organizing the 'Liar's Club to seek the truth for all in politics, science and banking. And like Wikipedia, the Club is having a few minor startup problems which should be resolved as soon as the Club get's it's share of the bailout money.. cuz, if there's one thing that can be believed, it's that money can solve any problem. The club has already voted to loan the money to the soveriegn wealth fund bank in Dubai in order to get the world's tallest building construction project re-started... Richard Jed Rothwell wrote: Hear, hear. Wikipedia, the DoE and many other institutions have failed to deal with cold fusion, and probably many other subjects too. We don't know how many others, because they have been suppressed. Thomas wrote, Brilliant Jed. The question is how can we stop it. More to the point, can we stop it?
Re: [Vo]:Change.gov submission now at 360
Jan 18 at 11:00 Score: 370 Comments: 15 The score has been fluctuating between 370 and 410 as people vote for and against it. It seems to be stuck at this level. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Homegrown wind generators
Kyle sez: ... NOTE from above: To hell with you if you think by offering the kids candy bars in exchange for collecting 'da stuff' to make the stators is encouraging the 'obesity epidemic.' Number one, they'll be burning the calories running around dragging the magnets, and number two, I consider it my divine duty (ha!) to counter the plague of anorexia and fear that is ruining the happiness of women everywhere. If you think this media-drivel doesn't really weigh (pun not intended) on women, you either don't get out much, or you're gay, or just stupid. If you don't get out much, come on and help do some REAL change, not the garbage of the gov'ment, and if you're gay, hey, come on and help out too, I welcome you. Stupid people, however, need not apply. --Kyle My wife could not live without chocolate. P.S.: IQ of 200 does not mean a person is not stupid. ...Only that one's stupidity is more ingenious. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Homegrown wind generators
--- OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: My wife could not live without chocolate. Mine either. She'll kill for it. P.S.: IQ of 200 does not mean a person is not stupid. ...Only that one's stupidity is more ingenious. I get a sudden mental image of Wile E. Coyote, assembling some Acme product. :) --Kyle
Re: [Vo]:Homegrown wind generators
Before you build a turbine, you should look into buying one of the small-scale commercially available units. They are getting more efficient and cheaper all the time. They are not cost effective in Georgia, but they make good sense in upstate New York. Chopping up birds is not an issue with wind turbines. Birds are evolved to avoid such things. They are not evolved to deal with mirrored glass. Millions of birds whack into windows and kill themselves every year. They are also not evolved to deal with jet aircraft, as the world learned the other day in New York City. My book discussed birdstrikes on airplanes. This is a subject I have long known about, for some strange reason. My mind is crammed full of similar useless information, and it is forever picking up new and isolated ideas, like a magpie collecting bright objects, such as name of the police officer who greeted Theodore Roosevelt soon after McKinley was shot (Anthony Gavin). - Jed
[Vo]:CF Skeptics
Hi, It occurs to me that both experimentalists and skeptics could benefit from working together. The skeptics would get a close up and personal look at the experiments, and the experimentalists would benefit from someone determined to find every possible reason why the experiment might be invalid, which would lead to better experiments. Of course this requires vast tolerance and patience on the part of both. ;) The payoff is that LENR/CANR might find greater acceptance in the scientific community, and the end goal might be achieved faster. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Homegrown wind generators
- Original Message - From: Kyle Mcallister kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:57 AM Subject: [Vo]:Homegrown wind generators - This is an interesting collection of hobby projects. The wind turbine is sort of cargo cult technology. Most of the elements are there and it will generate electricity, but not very well. The commercial wind tlurbines now sprouting up everywhere took decades of work and are deceptively simple. The blades have the sopisticated shape of aircraft wings or propellers, optimized for the task. A gear train spins the generator shaft much faster than the blade hub turns. sophisticated electronics transforms the variable output of the generator into standardized power for the grid. The Dutch windmill ground grain -- essentiallyh an energy storage system. The farmer's windmill pumped water, another stgorage syhstem. The illustrated unit couldcharge batteries, still another storage system with a standardized output. There is no inhrent reason why the know-how and technology of the modern wind turbines cannot be scaled down for individual households or an isolated community. Jed sujggests that some entrepreneurs have done so. Mike Carrell --- . . . Just to prove I am something more than Vortex-L's youngest curmudgeon, here's a bone to gnaw on: http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapt14.html Go down the page about 25% or so, and look at this nice, Woodwright's Shop approved little windmill generator. Granted, most of the other stuff on the site is pretty kooky, but this is a workable thing. Now, considering that: 1. I live in Buffalo, home of lake effect (big winds in winter) 2. The wind causes us to need more supplemental heat. 3. Heat is the easiest thing to make with electricity. 4. My home faces a quarter-mile of empty field, where the wind comes from. I can build a few of these, scaled up of course for more power, and let the wind do the rest. Turn it into raw heat via resistive elements, and that will help. Building them might be fun too...I can entice the neighborhood kids into dragging bar magnets around to collect magnetite dust, in exchange for a few Snicker's bars. (see note at end) I suppose however that some envirowhacko is going to say that these will chop up birds. I like birds, and would not want to see that happen, so I suppose putting chicken wire shields around them might help a bit, plus make them look scarier to the neighbors. But then a grasshopper might jump through and get pureed, so...well, as the grasshopper's cousin Jiminy Cricket said in the original Pinocchio, you can't please everybody. Suggestions on how to make this better? Such as, efficiency (I want it to be something cheap, however, than anyone can make), and such? The idea would be to help locals put these up and build them for very little cash outlay, and possibly get people together in the local area to make these for fixed-income people who are old or disabled and cannot. No, this idea did not come from some Liberal-Christ-Superstar, it came from my own cerebral cortex, and predates the feelgood love-orgy of the day. There must be others who want to do the same thing? NOTE from above: To hell with you if you think by offering the kids candy bars in exchange for collecting 'da stuff' to make the stators is encouraging the 'obesity epidemic.' Number one, they'll be burning the calories running around dragging the magnets, and number two, I consider it my divine duty (ha!) to counter the plague of anorexia and fear that is ruining the happiness of women everywhere. If you think this media-drivel doesn't really weigh (pun not intended) on women, you either don't get out much, or you're gay, or just stupid. If you don't get out much, come on and help do some REAL change, not the garbage of the gov'ment, and if you're gay, hey, come on and help out too, I welcome you. Stupid people, however, need not apply. --Kyle P.S.: IQ of 200 does not mean a person is not stupid. This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. Department.
Re: [Vo]:Homegrown wind generators
Howdy Kyle, As wind turbine research continues, the vertical style hold the most promise. Wind can be enhanced by use of shapes that swirl and concentrate the wind and induce vortices.See fire storm vids http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txq-tHOMxAMfeature=related Wind electric power can be stored. One of the most popular is hydrogen.. however.. heat can be stored using salt, an ideal eutectic. Richard
Re: [Vo]:Homegrown wind generators
In reply to R C Macaulay's message of Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:32:20 -0600: Hi, [snip] Howdy Kyle, As wind turbine research continues, the vertical style hold the most promise. Wind can be enhanced by use of shapes that swirl and concentrate the wind and induce vortices.See fire storm vids http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txq-tHOMxAMfeature=related Wind electric power can be stored. One of the most popular is hydrogen.. however.. heat can be stored using salt, an ideal eutectic. Richard ...and about a thousand times cheaper / kWh than lead-acid batteries (when done on a large scale). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Re: [Vo]:Homegrown wind generators
Howdy Robin, Considering the advances the Isrealis have made in their Dead Sea project research, salt can he heated to some very high temperatures. Combine the efficency of closed loop freon engines and certain possibilities can be visualized for standby power generation. Richard As wind turbine research continues, the vertical style hold the most promise. Wind can be enhanced by use of shapes that swirl and concentrate the wind and induce vortices.See fire storm vids http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txq-tHOMxAMfeature=related Wind electric power can be stored. One of the most popular is hydrogen.. however.. heat can be stored using salt, an ideal eutectic. Richard ...and about a thousand times cheaper / kWh than lead-acid batteries (when done on a large scale). Regards, Robin
Re: [Vo]:Homegrown wind generators
In reply to R C Macaulay's message of Sun, 18 Jan 2009 20:30:57 -0600: Hi, [snip] Howdy Robin, Considering the advances the Isrealis have made in their Dead Sea project research, salt can he heated to some very high temperatures. Combine the efficency of closed loop freon engines and certain possibilities can be visualized for standby power generation. Richard As wind turbine research continues, the vertical style hold the most promise. Wind can be enhanced by use of shapes that swirl and concentrate the wind and induce vortices.See fire storm vids http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txq-tHOMxAMfeature=related Wind electric power can be stored. One of the most popular is hydrogen.. however.. heat can be stored using salt, an ideal eutectic. Richard ...and about a thousand times cheaper / kWh than lead-acid batteries (when done on a large scale). ...and at the melting point of table salt, the Carnot efficiency is quite good. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
