[Vo]:Re: [Vo]: Dave’s Demon and Radiation Free LENR
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 9:23 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Your graphs clearly demonstrate the double balanced mix of a carrier signal and a modulation signal. I have been working with radio design for many years and this is a classical view. Even though the magnitude of the total waveform goes to zero based upon the modulation frequency, the actual signal consists of two individual sine waves. If you place a narrow band filter centered on one of the components you will observe a steady sine wave with a ripple on its magnitude proportional to the amount of leakage afforded the filtered out signal. I understand your point that strange things happen when non linear activity is present and I have seen some amazing behavior. In your experience, would the interaction of such a waveform with the environment be more like two separate, superposed waves, or like a new, hybrid wave? Is there some kind of emergent behavior, or is heterodyning not all that interesting in this context? Thanks for pointing out that nickel is opaque to a band of frequencies that begins at zero hertz and continues until x-rays are passed at somewhere beyond 50 keV. I have always assumed that this is due to the reflection of the energy by free electrons within the metal but have never looked into the process in any detail. By opaque I am thinking in relative terms. I recall doing a calculation in which the intensity of a beam at 50 keV through 1cm of nickel went almost to zero, although I might have done the calculation wrong. It's at this energy that one sees a discontinuity in the linear attenuation coefficient in the following table, where it is significantly greater than coefficients for higher energies: http://www.astm.org/BOOKSTORE/DS68/pg53.pdf NIST provides a tool to calculate the intensity of electromagnetic radiation passing through different materials at different wavelengths if you're interested: http://www.nist.gov/pml/data/xcom/index.cfm http://imgur.com/fow0e My concern at the moment is for the high energy photons at the binding energy region, in this case near 8 MeV. I worry that once released, these will be nearly impossible to attenuate. I know of the WL theory that their proposed heavy electrons will accomplish the job, but there has never been any proof that this is true. Also, how could this process influence virtually all of the gamma rays in every direction unless the nickel is literally crawling with heavy electrons? The extremely tiny wavelength of these high energy gammas would not suggest to me that they impact many nearby electrons if any at all. Couple this with the fact that no one has proven that the heavy electrons exist and you can see why I am skeptical. I'm inclined to go along with those who don't like the heavy electron patches for now. I figure one has three cards, each of which will buy you magic or a miracle of some kind, and I don't want to spend mine on heavy electrons intercepting gammas. My current thinking on the attenuation problem is that the cavity becomes viscous to the gammas due to the x-rays, and as a result the gammas are disrupted right at the source. Perhaps you could get 100 percent suppression if you require that the emission of gammas occur if and only if there are sufficient x-rays present, and that this occur away from the ends of the cavity. I like the concept of an x-ray laser and expect that one day it might be demonstrated. Someone might already know of such a device, and it would be interesting for them to tell us of its nature. I believe x-ray lasers have already been created; if I remember correctly, Peter Hagelstein worked on them at one point. I am not sure whether they have been made at the scales that we have been discussing. If not, I think there are efforts underway. These slides go into some of the related effects at small scales: http://www.aps.anl.gov/video/APS_Colloquium/2006/030106/030106.pdf Have you calculated the number of coherent x-rays at the 50 keV energy level needed to impart upon a proton the coulomb barrier energy? According to calculations that I have seen we need to obtain somewhere within the ballpark of 5 MeV of energy to breech that barrier. This appears like an interesting path to explore. I like the concept of x-rays trapped within a slot cavity. In radio terms I wonder what Q is associated with this process? This is another way of asking for information about the rate at which energy escapes your trap. In the slides above, Q values of greater than 2000 are mentioned. The cavities were optical cavities but were not necessarily lasers. I am most interested in the mere presence and role of optical cavities in some form, but if there is lasing as well, all the better. I wondered about whether the cavities needed to be straight and symmetric in order to work, and I found some abstracts on chaotic scattering in deformed cavities that seemed to involve
Re: [Vo]:July 2nd LENR workshop at Palazzo Montecitorio
LENR is also featured on the upcoming NIweek 2012 http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/06/national-instruments-to-feature-lenr-presentation-by-akito-takahashi-at-niweek-2012/ On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Hello group, On July 2nd there will be a LENR workshop in Rome. What's interesting it that it will be held in Palazzo Montecitorio, seat of the Italian Chamber of Deputies [1] . What's even more interesting is that a few politicians are actively involved in this as well. A poster for this event can be seen on 22passi: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2012/06/in-un-periodo-di-crisi-come-quello.html Direct link: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EpCqFCbPLwo/T-yUZos1WrI/G7I/1ruH74RXZyw/s1600/PosterA3.jpeg There is also a press release in Italian: http://www.22passi.it/downloads/Comunicato_Convegno_LENR_Camera_Deputati.pdf It appears that physicist Stefano Concezzi, director of National Instruments' Science and Big Physics Segment will attend this event as well. You might remember him for his neutral comments toward Leonardo Corporation / Andrea Rossi last year [2]. Cheers, S.A. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palazzo_Montecitorio [2] http://pesn.com/2011/11/10/9601953_National_Instruments_signs_to_do_E-Cat_controls/
[Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012
From DEFKALION: Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012 Following our absence from the public sphere, the following is a status update: We are conducting analyses of our materials using *XRF and ICP-MS*. We are committed that this analysis be done with the highest standards. To ensure these high standards, we are using multiple laboratories in Europe. When those results are available, we shall present them in the appropriate forum. We also have designed and are operating a fully instrumented flow calorimeter to measure the power production of our reactor. Outside scientists and engineers are measuring the input power as well as our flow calorimeter output performance. All these results will be presented when we are confident that they will withstand the scrutiny demanded by our own interests in product development, and the scrutiny of our customers. We thank you for your continued interest in our challenging and important work load. --- Speculation: In plain words, DEFKALION is trying to analyze their micro powder to identify trace elements and possible transmutations. FYI *Inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry (ICP-MS)* is a type of mass spectrometry which is capable of detecting metals and several non-metals at concentrations as low as one part in 10^^12 (part per trillion). This is achieved by ionizing the sample with inductively coupled plasma and then using a mass spectrometer to separate and quantify those ions. *X-ray fluorescence (XRF)* is the emission of characteristic secondary (or fluorescent) X-rays from a material that has been excited by bombarding with high-energy X-rays or gamma rays. The phenomenon is widely used for elemental analysis and chemical analysis, particularly in the investigation of metals, glass, ceramics and building materials, and for research in geochemistry, forensic science and archaeology. Cheers: Axil
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012
On 2012-06-29 19:41, Axil Axil wrote: From DEFKALION: [...] Thanks for the update. For the record, this is the news source: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/2012-06-29_Defkalion%20Status%20Update.pdf Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012
Axil, interesting May I remind of this woomera guy: March 25th he reported this on Chris Martenson's site: ... I was told that they were trying to actually see what happens in their device with some glass with a melting point of 1500degc. They saw it light up like the sun and then it melted the glass. This just took a second or two. I was told what their working theory was, but they really don't know what is going on. They have brought in several academics with a myraid of explanations. ... http://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/cold-fusion/51623?page=1#comments comment #44 (We discussed this here already.) His report is gaining credibility. So the situation seems to be that this 'anomaly' haunts them. They cannot put it under the rug and deny its existence, it seems. The licensees surely want to know about this potential safety issue, which could seriously endanger the whole project. I suspect that there is no easy way out without a) a theory or b) extensive series of tests, which would be the pragmatic approach, but eventually very costly and the need to make all the secrets public. This is serious! The LENR crowd is split on the issue: a) the ones welcoming transmutations without recognizing what a can of worms would be opened by that b) the others claiming only 'soft' transitions like Ni-Cu Anyway. The whole issue seems to get a new quality. Guenter Von: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com An: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 19:41 Freitag, 29.Juni 2012 Betreff: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012 From DEFKALION: Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012 ...
Re: [Vo]:First Interview Defkalion about Business
This is pure speculation of course but… From Peters last effort: *Indeed, we have been offered large sums of money by entities who wish to use this technology exclusively, which would have given us and our grandchildren financially carefree lives. * *However, while our core team values profit and growth, we are sincere and committed to ensuring that this technology will have global social benefits.* I have often wondered how the US Navy would approach Defkalion in their attempt to retain Ni-H technology under their veil of secrecy. This gambit may be it. No commercial for Profit Company whose business plan is to make earnings for themselves and/or their stockholders; an organization that offers and sells products to the world could ever hope to maintain exclusivity about such technology because the Ni-H reaction would be exposed naked in public and on display for the whole world to plainly see. The only organization on this planet that could work in such a restrictive way to sequester information, to insure use of this technology exclusively, to keep a technology under wraps as it were, is the US Navy. They could develop the technology and keep it away from any possible public view until they were compelled to reveal it to the world when they needed it to power the weapons required to win their next war. And Rossi did succumb; he is working under a well-orchestrated illusion that he can act freely in the market place. But those Navy project managers are devilish clever, Rossi is completely under control; those captains and admirals are well schooled in the time honored military arts of deception, misdirection, subterfuge and lies; they have dedicated themselves wholly and absolutely…they have make it their life’s work to master the art of war. Fortunately, Defkalion has a different agenda, an agenda that advances all mankind, an agenda of global social benefits. Luckily for all of us, Rossi’s secret could not be kept before Rossi made his deal with the Navy. Cheers: Axil On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you, Peter! One comment by PDGT: :Indeed, we have been offered large sums of money by entities who wish to use this technology exclusively, which would have given us and our grandchildren financially carefree lives. However, while our core team values profit and growth, we are sincere and committed to ensuring that this technology will have global social benefits. makes me wonder if Rossi succumbed. T
RE: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012
From: Guenter Wildgruber The LENR crowd is split on the issue: a) the ones welcoming transmutations without recognizing what a can of worms would be opened by that b) the others claiming only 'soft' transitions like Ni-Cu There is a much deeper split than this, Günter - and in fact the transition/ transmutation of nickel to copper is closer to hard than soft if we use ~1MeV as the crossover (depending on the isotopes). Anyway, in the soft category, you have the EUV transitions of Mills, or else some form of the ZPE/Casimir explanation ... or .. most insightful of all, a combination of the two, such as found in Fran Roarty's blog. He suggests that the driving force for hydrogen redundancy is a dynamical Casimir effect, and it can be a continuing energy sink. I am amazed that observers so frequently will marginalize this explanation: the dynamical or relativistic Casimir effect, while at the same time admitting that the Ni-H reaction happens at what are exactly Casimir dimensions. Why not connect the dots? It is almost as if they think it could be coincidental that Takahashi could not get consistent results at 20 nm, but when he went on to try Ahern's 10 nm powder, got his best results- as he stated at ACS last year. BTW - Ahern saw zero gamma radiation. Then, there is the newer (older) explanation: the DDL (deep Dirac layer) which itself can be compatible with a relativistic Casimir effect. The DDL of Maly predicts a fast electron on decay, so it is harder radiation than Mills, or else it could result in a cascade or electron avalanche which is softer but should show some gammas. Curiously this is precisely in the spectrum that Bianchini/Levi was looking at, in Rossi's original demonstration (the positron spectrum). Why were they looking there? I never looked closely at that data, if it was even released - since it was said to be near background. Now I am wondering how near? Even if not statistically relevant, in terms of a high sigma statistical deviation - what was seen could represent the tip of an iceberg, if most of the DDL electrons ended in an Auger cascade, or something similar. Still, in the end - the coincidence of FRET/Casimir geometry along with no gamma radiation, is too much to overlook, if searching for the best available explanation. Say, did anyone ever determine if woomera was our old pal Greg? Jones attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]: Dave’s Demon and Radiation Free LENR
Eric, I have analyzed interactions of waveforms such as you pointed out that consist of two sidebands on several occasions. You can treat the final output as the superposition of the responses of each signal separately. This is true for any linear system, but if the system is highly nonlinear then it becomes more complex quickly. Your application concept falls within the time domain to frequency domain transformation. You can get the correct answer by both methods if you are careful, but usually one technique will simply the operation. I am not sure that the heterodyne operation will buy you much in this case. I like the reference material you located and feel confident that it will be useful. I did a bit of exploring to get a better understanding of the pressures that arise from X-rays used within the hydrogen weapons. The article I found in wikipedia leads me to believe that most of the pressure by several orders of magnitude is due to ablation of material from a tamper as a result of X-ray illumination. I believe that process relies upon the conservation of momentum for the pressure pulse. Material is blasted off the tamper and the resulting reaction conserves momentum. I find this process very interesting but it is not clear how it would help in our attempt to push hydrogen smoothly into the nickel nucleus. I need to buy a deck of those magic cards. Does Amazon carry them? I suspect that the optical cavities with a Q or 2000 do a good job of storing energy for a normal laser. Is that Q based upon the escape of a very small percentage of the light rebounding within the cavity through one of the mirrored end surfaces? Do you know if that happens to be the optimum value for the type of laser you are discussing? This leaves me wondering how one goes about reflecting X-Rays so that they can gain energy with time. A thought just occurred to me. Could you use a torroid ring of material that keeps X-rays reflected in a circular path that is a multiple of a wavelength? I assume that the size of the ring could be adjusted so that each small reflection angle does not allow the X-rays to be absorbed. Pure speculation on my part here! You mention that the most probable fusion reaction taking place ends with the generation of helium. That might be the case, but Rossi will have a lot of explaining to do if this is true. I am making a special effort to take him at his word on the reaction products at this point but hope to explore the other concepts soon if nothing pans out. There must be some way to prevent the formation of gammas during the fusion process. A retarding of the proton acceleration during the strong force interaction is the best I can come up with at this time. Where are the demons when you really need them? Dave . -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Jun 29, 2012 2:37 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]: Dave’s Demon and Radiation Free LENR On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 9:23 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Your graphs clearly demonstrate the double balanced mix of a carrier signal and a modulation signal. I have been working with radio design for many years and this is a classical view. Even though the magnitude of the total waveform goes to zero based upon the modulation frequency, the actual signal consists of two individual sine waves. If you place a narrow band filter centered on one of the components you will observe a steady sine wave with a ripple on its magnitude proportional to the amount of leakage afforded the filtered out signal. I understand your point that strange things happen when non linear activity is present and I have seen some amazing behavior. In your experience, would the interaction of such a waveform with the environment be more like two separate, superposed waves, or like a new, hybrid wave? Is there some kind of emergent behavior, or is heterodyning not all that interesting in this context? Thanks for pointing out that nickel is opaque to a band of frequencies that begins at zero hertz and continues until x-rays are passed at somewhere beyond 50 keV. I have always assumed that this is due to the reflection of the energy by free electrons within the metal but have never looked into the process in any detail. By opaque I am thinking in relative terms. I recall doing a calculation in which the intensity of a beam at 50 keV through 1cm of nickel went almost to zero, although I might have done the calculation wrong. It's at this energy that one sees a discontinuity in the linear attenuation coefficient in the following table, where it is significantly greater than coefficients for higher energies: http://www.astm.org/BOOKSTORE/DS68/pg53.pdf NIST provides a tool to calculate the intensity of electromagnetic radiation passing through different materials at different wavelengths if you're
[Vo]:Florentin Smarandache
This is a prolific fellow who espouses, or at least tries to explain LENR... with a number of theories that come into view on searches for arcane details, like the Yukawa potential. He is at UNM by way of Romania (it is a small world after all). http://fs.gallup.unm.edu/FlorentinSmarandache.htm Peter must know of him... and he has come up before on Vortex in this thread: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg44468.html He has a compilation of papers online: Hadron Models and Related New Energy Issues available on Google Books. Smarandache is a Poet, playwright, novelist, prose writer, tales for children, translator from many languages, experimental painter, philosopher, physicist, mathematician. ... wonder if Smarandache means jack of all trades in Valcea... Jones BTW - the Yukawa potential is also known as a screened Coulomb potential which is always attractive... in more ways than one. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:First Interview Defkalion about Business
Axil, to cite woomera again: ... Defkalion had decided the US is in the 'too-hard-basket' and won't manufacture or sell to the US. ... from his post #44. Not to consider that authoritative. Far from that. But it signals a general tendency. Maybe the Navy is different and does business anyway with DGT. Sort of a black knight in this power-game. There have been similar statements from Rossi. Rossi obviously changed his mind. Actually, if I were a decider at DGT, I would avoid doing business with any US-institution like the plague. Even more than any Chinese. The Russians being a distant third. Actually the outskirts of Athens seem like a good place to keep the flies at a distance nowadays. Btw, Cyprus, the financial home of DGT has strong connections to Russia. But on the other hand, this is conspiracy-theory, which has a life by its own. Guenter Von: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 22:43 Freitag, 29.Juni 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:First Interview Defkalion about Business I have often wondered how the US Navy would approach Defkalion in their attempt to retain Ni-H technology under their veil of secrecy. This gambit may be it.
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion Status Update 29-6-2012
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:53:06 -0700: Hi, [snip] Curiously this is precisely in the spectrum that Bianchini/Levi was looking at, in Rossi's original demonstration (the positron spectrum). Why were they looking there? Because 98% of the time, the Copper isotope Cu59 decays via positron decay with a half life of 81.5 seconds. Cu59 is what you get when you add a proton to Ni58, which is the principle constituent of Ni. Hence the transmutation that Rossi claimed was happening should have produced copious positrons, which in turn would have annihilated ambient electrons resulting in pairs of 511 keV gammas, which is what they were looking for. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]: Daves Demon and Radiation Free LENR
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Thu, 28 Jun 2012 00:36:58 -0700: Hi, [snip] X-rays are what are used in atomic bombs to exert pressure on fusion fuel, so their credentials for creating pressure are good. I've always wondered if this were a red herring designed to lead astray those intent upon creating bombs. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The future belongs to those who prepare for it.
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:07:48 -0400: Hi, [snip] *Yes, there are other reasons but they involve the other properties of the reactor all made possible by the high melting point of tungsten; most important among them is power density. Let me explain Let us spin a dream that conjures this grand conception. We all know down deep in our hearts that the road to the stars lies through LENR. Let us now think about the history of the things to come.* My design is simpler, cheaper and more efficient. The reaction actually takes place in the vacuum of space, and the energetic particles never touch anything except a magnetic field, so the efficiency is very high. Hence the requirement for refractory materials is small. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]: Dave’s Demon and Radiation Free LENR
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:10 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I've always wondered if this were a red herring designed to lead astray those intent upon creating bombs. ;) Creating pressure with x-rays does sound highly implausible, when you stop to think about it. I wouldn't be surprised at all. Eric
Re: [Vo]:The future belongs to those who prepare for it.
Your post brings to mind the astounding words of Dr. Morbius when he expounds on the civilization of the super-race, the Krell to Doc Ostrow in the 1956 classic SiFi movie “Forbidden Planet” The Krell had been applying their entire racial energies...to a new project...one which they actually seemed to hope...might somehow free them once and for all...from any dependence on physical instrumentalities. A civilization without instrumentalities? Incredible. . . . . And when the Krill technology runs amok and Altir is destroyed, the skipper tells Alta 100,000,000 miles from the blast… Alta, about a million years from now the human race...will have crawled up to where the Krell stood...in their great moment of triumph and tragedy. And your father's name will shine again...like a beacon in the galaxy. It's true, it will remind us...that we are, after all, not God. Cheers: Axil On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:26 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 27 Jun 2012 23:07:48 -0400: Hi, [snip] *Yes, there are other reasons but they involve the other properties of the reactor all made possible by the high melting point of tungsten; most important among them is power density. Let me explain… Let us spin a dream that conjures this grand conception. We all know down deep in our hearts that the road to the stars lies through LENR. Let us now think about the history of the things to come.* My design is simpler, cheaper and more efficient. The reaction actually takes place in the vacuum of space, and the energetic particles never touch anything except a magnetic field, so the efficiency is very high. Hence the requirement for refractory materials is small. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
