Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-25 Thread Teslaalset
@Chuck: Thanks for confirming the bending of the coin.
@all: I am interested, not to replicated this experiment in the first
place, but because I observe 2 things:

1) Bending a constantaan coin will cause cracks in the metal lattice.
2) Using borax, there is a fair chance that this will create a transparant
layer on the coin. A patent of Celani , published in Feb 2011 describes a
process to enhance Hydrogen absorbtion of nickel nano structures by
performing 2 steps: a) oxidize the surface of nickel, b) dip it in a
silicate solution and bake it. The silicate layer seems similar to the
borax layer you might get on the coin in the 'Chuck experiment'.

I've looked into the manufacturing of 'ordinary' Nickel nano powders. This
is mostly done via an electrochemical process, causing good crystal
structures in the metal lattices of the nano particles.
Earlier last week, Rossi expressed that his catalyst is not a chemical
one'.
This suggests to me that the pre-processing of the nickel power could be
something else: crunching it, to break the lattice structures in the
particles.
It's just a thought, no scientific arguments, I know.

Link to the Celani patent:
http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2011016014recNum=221docAn=IB2010053585queryString=(ET/nano)%20maxRec=1293


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote:

 I have been seeking a constant current through the nickel versus a
 constant power into the system since the resistance of the electrolyte is
 dominate.


 High resistivity is not necessarily an issue, per se.  In the Pd/D
 electrolysis experiments, as the palladium is loaded with deuterium, the
 resistivity goes up.  Often the target loading is 0.95 or higher, so it
 seems likely that there is a lot of resistivity in a good run in
 such experiments.

 I think a common belief is that it is the *flux* of deuterium that is
 important in those experiments; whether the deuterium is entering the
 substrate or leaving it does not matter.  Assuming a parallel can be drawn
 with Ni/H electrolysis, an AC current might not be undesirable in itself,
 unless it somehow messes up some other important variable.

 Eric




Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-25 Thread Teslaalset
Some additional finding on silicate layers:
Miles found that the formation of silicate latyer in the PF experiments was
occuring and possibly essencial to get the effect.

Details:
The silicates on palladium cathodes is mentioned in the interview with
Miles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7ZM2z_fVcEfeature=player_embedded#http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dj7ZM2z_fVcE%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded%23urlhash=25T5_t=tracking_disc
!
(@ around 13:45 min timestamp)



On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:

 @Chuck: Thanks for confirming the bending of the coin.
 @all: I am interested, not to replicated this experiment in the first
 place, but because I observe 2 things:

 1) Bending a constantaan coin will cause cracks in the metal lattice.
 2) Using borax, there is a fair chance that this will create a transparant
 layer on the coin. A patent of Celani , published in Feb 2011 describes a
 process to enhance Hydrogen absorbtion of nickel nano structures by
 performing 2 steps: a) oxidize the surface of nickel, b) dip it in a
 silicate solution and bake it. The silicate layer seems similar to the
 borax layer you might get on the coin in the 'Chuck experiment'.

 I've looked into the manufacturing of 'ordinary' Nickel nano powders. This
 is mostly done via an electrochemical process, causing good crystal
 structures in the metal lattices of the nano particles.
 Earlier last week, Rossi expressed that his catalyst is not a chemical
 one'.
 This suggests to me that the pre-processing of the nickel power could be
 something else: crunching it, to break the lattice structures in the
 particles.
 It's just a thought, no scientific arguments, I know.

 Link to the Celani patent:

 http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2011016014recNum=221docAn=IB2010053585queryString=(ET/nano)%20maxRec=1293



 On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote:

  I have been seeking a constant current through the nickel versus a
 constant power into the system since the resistance of the electrolyte is
 dominate.


 High resistivity is not necessarily an issue, per se.  In the Pd/D
 electrolysis experiments, as the palladium is loaded with deuterium, the
 resistivity goes up.  Often the target loading is 0.95 or higher, so it
 seems likely that there is a lot of resistivity in a good run in
 such experiments.

 I think a common belief is that it is the *flux* of deuterium that is
 important in those experiments; whether the deuterium is entering the
 substrate or leaving it does not matter.  Assuming a parallel can be drawn
 with Ni/H electrolysis, an AC current might not be undesirable in itself,
 unless it somehow messes up some other important variable.

 Eric





Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-25 Thread Teslaalset
To clearify my observations further:

1) room temperature experiments seem to require an additional trick to get
sufficient Hydrogen absorbtion: the use of an additional (transparant) layer

2) Rossi might not need to have the additional layer since he is operating
his nickel at a condition where Hydrogen absorbstion is significantly
higher than room temperature and in addition higher pressures.


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:

 Some additional finding on silicate layers:
 Miles found that the formation of silicate latyer in the PF experiments
 was occuring and possibly essencial to get the effect.

 Details:
 The silicates on palladium cathodes is mentioned in the interview with
 Miles:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7ZM2z_fVcEfeature=player_embedded#http://www.linkedin.com/redirect?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eyoutube%2Ecom%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dj7ZM2z_fVcE%26feature%3Dplayer_embedded%23urlhash=25T5_t=tracking_disc
 !
 (@ around 13:45 min timestamp)



 On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Teslaalset 
 robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.comwrote:

 @Chuck: Thanks for confirming the bending of the coin.
 @all: I am interested, not to replicated this experiment in the first
 place, but because I observe 2 things:

 1) Bending a constantaan coin will cause cracks in the metal lattice.
 2) Using borax, there is a fair chance that this will create a
 transparant layer on the coin. A patent of Celani , published in Feb 2011
 describes a process to enhance Hydrogen absorbtion of nickel nano
 structures by performing 2 steps: a) oxidize the surface of nickel, b) dip
 it in a silicate solution and bake it. The silicate layer seems similar to
 the borax layer you might get on the coin in the 'Chuck experiment'.

 I've looked into the manufacturing of 'ordinary' Nickel nano powders.
 This is mostly done via an electrochemical process, causing good crystal
 structures in the metal lattices of the nano particles.
 Earlier last week, Rossi expressed that his catalyst is not a chemical
 one'.
 This suggests to me that the pre-processing of the nickel power could be
 something else: crunching it, to break the lattice structures in the
 particles.
 It's just a thought, no scientific arguments, I know.

 Link to the Celani patent:

 http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2011016014recNum=221docAn=IB2010053585queryString=(ET/nano)%20maxRec=1293



 On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comwrote:

  I have been seeking a constant current through the nickel versus a
 constant power into the system since the resistance of the electrolyte is
 dominate.


 High resistivity is not necessarily an issue, per se.  In the Pd/D
 electrolysis experiments, as the palladium is loaded with deuterium, the
 resistivity goes up.  Often the target loading is 0.95 or higher, so it
 seems likely that there is a lot of resistivity in a good run in
 such experiments.

 I think a common belief is that it is the *flux* of deuterium that is
 important in those experiments; whether the deuterium is entering the
 substrate or leaving it does not matter.  Assuming a parallel can be drawn
 with Ni/H electrolysis, an AC current might not be undesirable in itself,
 unless it somehow messes up some other important variable.

 Eric






[Vo]:The Human Fauna

2012-09-25 Thread Terry Blanton
And how important it is to health:

http://goo.gl/HAC8c



Re: [Vo]:The Human Fauna

2012-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
The latest issue of scientific American has an article about food allergies
in children. Apparently, if you gradually introduce tiny amounts of the
foods they are allergic to, in most cases the allergies subside. The
amounts used at first are similar to those used in homeopathy.

Years ago, studies were done in Switzerland of children raised on
farms versus children from urban areas. Apparently, in Swiss farms,
people come in close contact with livestock. Researchers expected to
find the children raised on farms would be allergic to animal hairs. They
found just the opposite: urban people never exposed to hair were most
likely to be allergic to it.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:The Human Fauna

2012-09-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
Same effect with moist poisons.  The solution to pollution is dilution.
 Best kids get dirty and cooties when they are young to build resistance.

On Tuesday, September 25, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:

 The latest issue of scientific American has an article about food
 allergies in children. Apparently, if you gradually introduce tiny amounts
 of the foods they are allergic to, in most cases the allergies subside. The
 amounts used at first are similar to those used in homeopathy.

 Years ago, studies were done in Switzerland of children raised on
 farms versus children from urban areas. Apparently, in Swiss farms,
 people come in close contact with livestock. Researchers expected to
 find the children raised on farms would be allergic to animal hairs. They
 found just the opposite: urban people never exposed to hair were most
 likely to be allergic to it.

 - Jed




Re: [Vo]:The Human Fauna

2012-09-25 Thread Alain Sepeda
This desensibilisation (french term) was commonly used in the 70s in
France, but was slowly forbidden because of few accident and anglo-saxon
consensus against.

the does are far more than homeopathy, just like classic immunization dose
to trigger immune system, but very lightly, unlike immunization which want
to activate it violently simulating real infection with adjuvant (that
activate the native immune system).
you increase the dose, until the immune system no more care.
My sister was cured that way (or it simply disappear naturally like in most
case... dunno- that doubt was part of the accusation of being ineffectivie).

It is a well know fact for long time that allergy are not caused mostly by
chemical product, but by hygiene (which have other advantages), but that
old idea is rejected like hormesis, because fighting against cleanness
principles.
Todays theory that I read many times is that the immune system have two
stable state, one efficient against bacteria, and another against parasites.
If we are not enough infected with bacteria, we prepare to fight agains
parasites, and it can cause allergy (interpreting foreign proteins as from
parasites).

Note that natural product, because much more complex (arachid/peanut show
thousands of different epitope. there is thousands of various allergy
against peanut) the natural products cause more allergy.
however modern preparation (roasting, pollution, chemical alteration) make
the existing natural products even more complex, thus allergenic.
Also modern life make us exposed to many more natural exotic products.

Basically it seems that country where people eat much cheese from raw milk
(the one that is forbidden in US, and nearly was forbidden in EU), have
less digestive infection, and allergy, than pasteurized countries.

Another factor about raw milk cheese (and other similar fermented products)
is that it is an ecosystem that resist to contamination by aggressive germs.
The problems is that if it is badly fermented (dirty manipulations), in
rare cases the cheese is a very aggressive ecosystem... intermediate
situation are nearly impossible.
People also have to adapt to those ecosystem... the Turista effect.

note that the Listeria infection is mostly caused by warm fridge (12C)...
warm temperature kills the listeria (by competition from other species).


2012/9/25 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com

 The latest issue of scientific American has an article about food
 allergies in children. Apparently, if you gradually introduce tiny amounts
 of the foods they are allergic to, in most cases the allergies subside. The
 amounts used at first are similar to those used in homeopathy.

 Years ago, studies were done in Switzerland of children raised on
 farms versus children from urban areas. Apparently, in Swiss farms,
 people come in close contact with livestock. Researchers expected to
 find the children raised on farms would be allergic to animal hairs. They
 found just the opposite: urban people never exposed to hair were most
 likely to be allergic to it.

 - Jed




Re: [Vo]:The Human Fauna

2012-09-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:20 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote:
 Same effect with moist poisons.  The solution to pollution is dilution.
 Best kids get dirty and cooties when they are young to build resistance.

My grandson's allergist recommended unfiltered local honey to mediate
his hay fever.



RE: [Vo]:The Human Fauna

2012-09-25 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I've been following Dr. Marshall's research for a few years now and I think
he's a pioneer in understanding just how microbes affect our health, and are
likely the cause for chronic conditions... and a treatment protocol.

http://www.trevormarshall.com/

He presents some clinical results here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rFmAMDdbjs
for multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, rheumatoid arthritis,
ankylosing spondylitis.

Autoimmune Research Foundation
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/

-Mark

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:48 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:The Human Fauna

And how important it is to health:

http://goo.gl/HAC8c



Re: [Vo]:The Human Fauna

2012-09-25 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
More generally, there is some evidence that if you just give the immune
system something external to worry about, autoimmune activity may subside.
Warning, link describes a therapeutic approach you may find gross.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helminthic_therapy

Jeff

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:48 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote:

 I've been following Dr. Marshall's research for a few years now and I think
 he's a pioneer in understanding just how microbes affect our health, and
 are
 likely the cause for chronic conditions... and a treatment protocol.

 http://www.trevormarshall.com/

 He presents some clinical results here:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rFmAMDdbjs
 for multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, rheumatoid
 arthritis,
 ankylosing spondylitis.

 Autoimmune Research Foundation
 http://autoimmunityresearch.org/

 -Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:48 AM
 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Subject: [Vo]:The Human Fauna

 And how important it is to health:

 http://goo.gl/HAC8c




[Vo]:Dardik's amazing 2008 paper

2012-09-25 Thread Jones Beene

From: Jed Rothwell
 
I would love to see the best available chart of
heat-after-death, showing
the thermal curve for a substantial time frame after
electrical power has
been cut. 

Here are two:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/PonsSheatafterd.pdf

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/DardikIultrasonic.pdf

The heat release is not sudden in either case.


The last (Energetics) paper has been overlooked to a large extent on the
various forums. But it is mystery why anyone (who is interested in
ultrasonic nuclear reactions) would give the secretive LeClair the slightest
consideration, when this open and impressive information is out there. Very
high COP seems possible.

BTW - heat release (after death) in the Pons paper is not sudden and does
not look like there could be a contribution from phase-transition. However,
the Dardik paper shows exactly the kind of see-saw effect which one might
expect from sequential phase transitions - operating to cause secondary
fusions, after power cut-off (fig 7,8 and 9). Of course, Dardik's entire
paper shows these kinds of temporal thermal pulsations (possibly expected
from ultrasound).

There is no indication of self-power, indicating that ultrasound is always
required to be on, but plenty of indication of slow cool-off - which is a
different thing. Figure 9 represents exactly how one would expect
recalescence-reactivated-fusion to look like, after power turn off...
which is continuing spiky bursts of heat, tapering off gradually.

The most troubling thing about this paper, given the very high gain and
fabulous COP - is here we are 4 years later and there is not much indication
(public at least) of the kind of progress one would hope for, with this as
the start. The group is aligned with Duncan, in Missouri - and so on, but is
there more to the story? Many do not trust Dardik's MD problems - but so
what?

Maybe in the USA, there is bureaucratic intransigence in our DoE or DoD
making them too slow and bloated to move rapidly with something so
promising... (as what Energetics seemed to be showing 4 years ago) but given
the Israeli connections of the Dardik group - and the greater need for an
energy breakthrough over there, and the rapid advances that Israel often
demonstrates in other fields (reverse-engineering of advanced weaponry, in
particular) ... one has to ask: did the Israeli military manage to take a
version of this program black, in the sense of turning it into a secret
program? 

Hmm... A look at Google satellite's view of Energetic's (former?) facilities
in Omer shows a both potentially a large facility (but - there could be many
unrelated tenants there), and also, the added blurriness one sees in a few
top-secret places, courtesy of google - indicating someone wants it to stay
fuzzy... which could be part of a cash-flow strategy. 

Jones



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Re: [Vo]:The Human Fauna

2012-09-25 Thread Alain Sepeda
what you describe for poisons (like arsenic) is hormesis, but not
desensibilisation nor homeopathy.

the basic of hormesis is to activate the heat shock proteins so the body
can fight against some class of genotoxic aggression... work for some
poisons, radiation, sun, heat... Those HSP production can also cause some
memory, through epigenetic modification, or simply though growth and
selection.

he basic of desensibilisation is to activate the immune system at low
intensity, for long time, with increasing dose, without the usual
co-factors of infection (that are simulated by adjuvant in immunization),
so that the immune system activate the tolerance mode used for self and
for usual benign antigen. That tolerance mode in fact activate
killing/suicide/suppression of the lymphocyte that react to that benign
antigene.

the basic of immunization is to stimulate strongly the adaptative immune
system, in a way that really look like a real aggression (with adjuvant
simulating the produce that the native immune system detect), so that the
body activate the war-mode, and a population of sensible T4 lymphocyte
are created and kept for later fast detection.

the basic of homeopathy is to use very very very low dose, and it works
differently from those 3 techniques. It normally have no effect on HSP or
immune system...



2012/9/25 ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com

 Same effect with moist poisons.  The solution to pollution is dilution.
  Best kids get dirty and cooties when they are young to build resistance.


 On Tuesday, September 25, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:

 The latest issue of scientific American has an article about food
 allergies in children. Apparently, if you gradually introduce tiny amounts
 of the foods they are allergic to, in most cases the allergies subside. The
 amounts used at first are similar to those used in homeopathy.

 Years ago, studies were done in Switzerland of children raised on
 farms versus children from urban areas. Apparently, in Swiss farms,
 people come in close contact with livestock. Researchers expected to
 find the children raised on farms would be allergic to animal hairs. They
 found just the opposite: urban people never exposed to hair were most
 likely to be allergic to it.

 - Jed




Re: [Vo]:Dardik's amazing 2008 paper

2012-09-25 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Maybe in the USA, there is bureaucratic intransigence in our DoE or DoD
 making them too slow and bloated to move rapidly with something so
 promising...

I would be careful underestimating the military, especially the navy,
considering their considerable thirst:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120924111824.htm

Then again, if they have Rossi, why would they need to make their own
hydrocarbons?



Re: [Vo]:example of a bad prognostication

2012-09-25 Thread LORENHEYER
BUT... we do not currently possess the highly advanced technical ablity to 
enable us to alter the direction of our illfated future, whereas, the only 
humans there are, as  conveyed in several documentaries that interviewed a 
one Travis Walton, that told of his encounter with an Advanced 
Civilization's Craft back in 1975 (?) as he  a crew of gov contracted brush 
cutters were 
returning home one night on a Mountain road in outside of the sleep litle 
town of Snowflake, AZ.
  Mind 
you, the crew all saw T.W. get TKO'd by the craft that was just hovering 
over him he should have stayed in his vehicle, like the rest of his kind 
that tend to be easily frightened and/or unmotivated to explore the unknown, 
and/or content in doing only what they are capable of.

  Yeah well, anyway,  I'd say 
that, if you think this incident was 'only' a hoax or scam, for money or 
recognition, I'd say guess again because this incident not only had more than 
likely occured, but it speaks volumes of what I think many ground dwelling 
human beings need to *know* about their future... Now, T.W. thoroughly 
described in detail his encounter with these highly advanced humanoid/beings, 
and 
also spoke of the two human looking individuals that he said would pass in 
a crowd here on earth  
These humans were (likely) white 
(supremesists) that some people down here (after the fact) who 'herd or 
learned 
of this incident thought it likely these humans actually were in charge of 
the operation. It's doubtful however because they were said to be 'muscular 
looking', and, were also apparently poor communicators, which of course 
frightened T.W., Upon determining they were either hostile or unfriendly, he 
began 
to panic (as expected) whereupon he was rather quickly subdued, and,  the 
last thing he remembered

   To me, these humans (in appearance only) are 
obviously genetically enhanced, and, basically serve as a 'go between' or 
'welcoming effect' on ourkind, in encounters that involve us being either 
apprehended or subdued, as required (and, don't think that the word doesn't 
get 
out... and, good luck with that)! 

You have to rememer the sequence of events that unfolded in this 
incident, because  first, T.W. did not respond-well to the 'beyond' 
frightening apearance of the highly advanced humanoid-beings, and/or because 
they did 
not communicate in any way, he knew he had to get away from them. After 
fleeing, he soon entered another room or compartment, of which he said he could 
breath easier because the air was better or more fresh.  He also stumbled 
(?) into some type of 'control room', and began to fool around with the 
intrumentation, of which he thought he might crash this thing.

  Now, I won't go into detail about everything I've managed 
to logically deduce and/or extrapolate from what I would say was a *real 
life encounter* but rest assure, it's no-less than absolutely stunning, 
amazing, awe-inspiring,  highly motivational ... and that's only the 
beginning!   
   Loren

Re: [Vo]:example of a bad prognostication
 LORENHEYER
 Mon, 24 Sep 2012 10:38:07 -0700
 
Maybe in 10 million yrs this civilization will have developed the highly 
sophisticated complex process by which the strong/weak nuclear, 
electromagnetic,  gravitational forces can be altered or manipulated. It will 
require 
millions of yrs to develope a 'hole'  complete working knowledge of the forces 
at work around us  thruout the universe
 
 
 snip
 
 
 already done ten years ago.
 
 
 
 http://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Essays/View/4050 
/HTML



RE: [Vo]:The Human Fauna

2012-09-25 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Here is a more detailed presentation about a specific metabolic pathway (the
Vitamin-D Receptor), and how its down-regulation, caused by the
incorporation of bacterial DNA into the human DNA, leads to various chronic
ailments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2yEwnZy8B8


-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:49 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:The Human Fauna

I've been following Dr. Marshall's research for a few years now and I think
he's a pioneer in understanding just how microbes affect our health, and are
likely the cause for chronic conditions... and a treatment protocol.

http://www.trevormarshall.com/

He presents some clinical results here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rFmAMDdbjs
for multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, rheumatoid arthritis,
ankylosing spondylitis.

Autoimmune Research Foundation
http://autoimmunityresearch.org/

-Mark

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 4:48 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:The Human Fauna

And how important it is to health:

http://goo.gl/HAC8c




Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-25 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Eric, You make a good point.

As a selfdeclared  (precision) measurement addict , let me comment:
1) Calorimetry, especially with small effects, is a central issue. I do not 
know a lot about that, but manageble by careful analysis
The possible errors even Rossi et al made in high-power contexts with COP1, 
makes my head scratch.
How could this possibly be?

2) Small effects with small (+/- 1watt) systems are difficult to 
measure,agreed, but manageable with careful measurement techniques.
Maybe Rossi put some hope in National Instruments, because this -ahem- 
measurement thing was all over his head. 
He is the guy for the big things, not for watching ants doing their walk.
But the NI guys do not know a lot about the intricacies of physical effects, 
which they eventually measure to six points behind the comma, not knowing what 
they just measured a second ago.
NI-management is not a lot of help here also.
Those are basically the know-nothings, who see this as a commercial issue.
So to call NI to the resuce of Rossi as the competents, is a pledge of a bunch 
of incompetents in the first place.
It is like Apple accusing why Your girlfriend told you she leaves, because she 
was using an iphone.
But it seems we did not yet reach the lowest(highest?)  level of  delusion.

3)  I always wondered, why , as You mention, nobody monitors the development of 
the resisitivity of the base-reactant --day Ni or Ni-Cu over temperature-time- 
H-loading, which should vary significantly BEFORE any reaction takes place!
Eg constantan, which is 55%Cu 44%Ni, 1%Mn has an extremely well known R-T 
coefficient.
This is a reference.
If this changes via H-loading, T, pressure and such, this would be significant!
Just have a careful look, and know what You are doing!

4) calorimetrry maybe a difficult issue when small quantities are involved, but 
not insurmountable.
Micro-Kelvins can be measured  eg during phase-changes of metals, as I managed 
to contribute in my professional carreer.

So what exactly is the solution to the problem?
a) have a good grasp of Your effect
b) have a good understanding of how you isolate the effect out of noise and 
side-effects.

Quite basic, right?

Guenter





 Von: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Gesendet: 7:08 Dienstag, 25.September 2012
Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck 
Sites
 

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:58 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:


I have been seeking a constant current through the nickel versus a constant 
power into the system since the resistance of the electrolyte is dominate.

High resistivity is not necessarily an issue, per se.  In the Pd/D electrolysis 
experiments, as the palladium is loaded with deuterium, the resistivity goes 
up.  Often the target loading is 0.95 or higher, so it seems likely that there 
is a lot of resistivity in a good run in such experiments.

I think a common belief is that it is the *flux* of deuterium that is important 
in those experiments; whether the deuterium is entering the substrate or 
leaving it does not matter.  Assuming a parallel can be drawn with Ni/H 
electrolysis, an AC current might not be undesirable in itself, unless it 
somehow messes up some other important variable.

Eric

[Vo]:A Hurricane Prediction Based Upon Dark Matter

2012-09-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
Theories are useless unless they help us predict.

I have gone out on a limb to predict the destination of tropical storm
Nadine that has been swirling in the gulf the past couple of weeks.  I
believe I am correct unless another dark matter particle interacts at some
point along her path and wins out.

http://wp.me/p26aeb-6D

Please pray for me and those in her path or prepare to throw large amounts
of egg at my face.

Stewart


Re: [Vo]:Dardik's amazing 2008 paper

2012-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:


 There is no indication of self-power, indicating that ultrasound is always
 required to be on . . .


I believe that is incorrect. It is off, completely, for many hours while
the excess heat continues. The complex waveform electrolysis input and
ultrasound are both off. They have also done experiments with complex
electrolysis only, no ultrasound. When the electrolysis is turned off, the
heat continues.


They have moved from Israel to U. Missouri.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Dardik's amazing 2008 paper

2012-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote:


 They have moved from Israel to U. Missouri.


Correction. Someone just told me they are back in Israel. That was fast.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-25 Thread Alan J Fletcher


I've been looking through my personal archives.
I declared on Wed Apr 22, 2009 02:07pm 
 I'm changing my position from 'maybe' to 'yes'.

and came across a Jed quote : 
Wednesday, March 24, 2010


Chemists taken in by Cold Fusion . . . AGAIN! 


http://physicsbuzz.physicscentral.com/2010/03/chemists-taken-in-by-cold-fusion-again.html?showComment=1269462185011#c6972878308653839828

Repruducibility has gone from 10% to 20% to 100% with some techniques.
The NRL recently repeated the Arata experiment several hundred times in a
row with automated equipment, completely degassing the samples between
runs. It worked every time. So I do not see why you say that nothing has
changed. 
(Got a quick link to the paper? -- too lazy to search !! )




Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:


 The NRL recently repeated the Arata experiment several hundred times in a
 row with automated equipment, completely degassing the samples between
 runs. It worked every time. So I do not see why you say that nothing has
 changed.

 (Got a quick link to the paper? -- too lazy to search !! )


That was Kidwell et al. at ICCF15. Kidwell insisted it was chemical,
especially in the Proceedings paper which came out after I wrote that. I
disagreed then, and still do. See:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KidwellDdoesgasloa.pdf

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ViolanteVproceeding.pdf

They described a lot more about it at ICCF17. Kidwell finally agrees it is
anomalous.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-25 Thread Alan J Fletcher
I found Miles at the 2010 ACS reporting 6/6 (Though for my purposes 
his $50 calorimeter got the press's attention).




Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-25 Thread Alan J Fletcher

At 01:02 PM 9/25/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
They described a lot more about it at ICCF17. Kidwell finally agrees 
it is anomalous.


Does Kidwell say so in a paper?  



Re: [Vo]:Dardik's amazing 2008 paper

2012-09-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax

At 01:55 PM 9/25/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:

I wrote:

They have moved from Israel to U. Missouri.


Correction. Someone just told me they are back in Israel. That was fast.


Indeed. And expensive, if this is true and total. What happened? 



Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote:


 They described a lot more about it at ICCF17. Kidwell finally agrees it is
 anomalous.


 Does Kidwell say so in a paper?


As of a few weeks ago he had not yet turned in a paper for ICCF17. But that
is what he and Dawn Dominguez said in their presentations. It
was unequivocal.

Having David Kidwell to say anything unequivocally positive about cold
fusion is the fourth miracle of cold fusion. The three previous miracles,
brought to you by Huizenga, pale in comparison. The Coulomb barrier is
nothing compared to the Kidwell Attitude Barrier.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Dardik's amazing 2008 paper

2012-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:


 Correction. Someone just told me they are back in Israel. That was fast.


 Indeed. And expensive, if this is true and total. What happened?



No idea. I just heard. It is surprising I did not hear it at ICCF17, but I
tend to be oblivious to gossip. Or to anything. Kind of like the scene in
the movie Catch 22 when Yossarian is talking and paying no attention to
airplanes crashing in the background.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Dardik's amazing 2008 paper

2012-09-25 Thread Daniel Rocha
2012/9/25 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com

 I wrote:


 They have moved from Israel to U. Missouri.


 Correction. Someone just told me they are back in Israel. That was fast.

 - Jed



Maybe they got null results? DAMN! I hope ICCF 17 is not canceled.


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com


Re: [Vo]:A Hurricane Prediction Based Upon Dark Matter

2012-09-25 Thread LORENHEYER
Okay Stew... You've predicted the destination of Nadine, but why didn't you 
mention  why you named it Nadine?  So now, if I were to sound it out, it 
sounds very similar the word N-e-e-d-i-n-g? so, what is it that is 
relative importance you're currently in need of ?... is it wind-energy, a large 
amount of water for drinking, fishing, etc, etc., or maybe a big spin-off 
tornado or vortex that sucks you in  sends you to another place? (tee hee).
  

 Theories are useless unless they help us predict.
 
 I have gone out on a limb to predict the destination of tropical storm
 Nadine that has been swirling in the gulf the past couple of weeks.  I
 believe I am correct unless another dark matter particle interacts at some
 point along her path and wins out.
 
 http://wp.me/p26aeb-6D
 
 Please pray for me and those in her path or prepare to throw large amounts
 of egg at my face.
 
 Stewart 
/HTML



Re: [Vo]:Dardik's amazing 2008 paper

2012-09-25 Thread Jed Rothwell
Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote:


 Maybe they got null results? DAMN! I hope ICCF 17 is not canceled.


You mean you hope ICCF18 is not cancelled.

The results are good as far as I know. I do not recall that they presented
anything at ICCF17. I do not see anything from Lesin.

Lots of other stuff is happening at U. Missouri, in any case.

- Jed


Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax

At 03:02 PM 9/25/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Alan J Fletcher mailto:a...@well.coma...@well.com wrote:

The NRL recently repeated the Arata experiment several hundred times 
in a row with automated equipment, completely degassing the samples 
between runs. It worked every time. So I do not see why you say that 
nothing has changed.


(Got a quick link to the paper? -- too lazy to search !! )


That was Kidwell et al. at ICCF15. Kidwell insisted it was chemical, 
especially in the Proceedings paper which came out after I wrote 
that. I disagreed then, and still do. See:


http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KidwellDdoesgasloa.pdfhttp://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KidwellDdoesgasloa.pdf 



http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ViolanteVproceeding.pdf

They described a lot more about it at ICCF17. Kidwell finally agrees 
it is anomalous.


Okay, an anomaly. Very important point: anomaly does not equal cold 
fusion. It means something unexplained.


If the level of heat is high, it may indicate a nuclear effect. I 
don't think that is the case here. The heat is simply unexplained.


However, I keep virtually banging my head against the wall. There is 
very likely a way to know, with certainty, that PdD heat is nuclear 
in origin. Measure helium. Arata apparently did that, though lots of 
Arata results seem hard to find.


They did not measure helium, though they did many experiments. Helium 
measurement is tricky, but should have been accessible to them.


If they are getting heat such that there should be measurable helium, 
from anywhere near 24 MeV/He-4, and they *don't* find helium, it 
would be quite suspicious, given what we know about PdD LENR. It 
would be a first, quite a remarkable result all on its own.


Why was this not done?

When I became involved with cold fusion, I found that the full 
significance of heat/helium seemed to be overlooked, and great 
confidence and attention was placed on calorimetry alone. I'm not 
knocking the calorimetry, but one of the important values of helium 
measurement is that it confirms that the heat is coming from a 
nuclear source, and it roughly validates the calorimety. As we 
accumulate experience with helium capture and measurement in these 
experiments, it could become quite an accurate confirmation. 



Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax

At 03:43 PM 9/25/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Having David Kidwell to say anything unequivocally positive about 
cold fusion is the fourth miracle of cold fusion. The three previous 
miracles, brought to you by Huizenga, pale in comparison. The 
Coulomb barrier is nothing compared to the Kidwell Attitude Barrier.


Maybe it's a miracle, but  people with Seriously Bad Attitude 
about Cold Fusion don't run cold fusion experiments, because they are 
completely convinced that it's a waste of time.


No, it appears that Kidwell is a skeptic, which is not at all a bad 
thing. He's obviously not a pseudoskeptic.


Now, how will pseudoskeptics take Kidwells apparent turnabout? 
Putting on my pseudoskeptic hat, made of anti-tinfoil (looks exactly 
like tinfoil, but coming in contact with tinfoil, vanishes in a flash 
of hot air), I come up with:


Kidwell obviously was an idiot, because he was willing to waste his 
time with this obvious nonsense, there is no credible theory that 
explains cold fusion, so any sane scientist won't touch it with a 
ten-foot-pole. We make sure they won't, because their reputations 
will be deservedly trashed faster than you can say Bockris. 
Remember Joe Champion? No? Obviously you have fallen under the 
influence of these fanatic die-hards, like the American Chemical 
Society, those physics-deprived chemists, and like the editors of 
Naturwissenschafter, what do the editors of a biology journal know 
about physics? The U.S. Navy has supported cold fusion research? 
Yeah, the military also supported research on killing goats by staring at them.


Nobel Prize-winners have supported cold fusion research? Obviously, 
beyond their prime, losing it, dotty in their old age, like Pauling 
and that Josefson fellow. Did you know he's seriously considered 
telepathy? Yeah, to even think that cold fusion is possible, you have 
to have drunk way too much Whacko Kool-Aid.


No, this is all a plot to divert seriously needed government funding 
for hot fusion, which has already produced breakeven once, and, with 
another trillion dollars of funding, is on track to produce real 
power by 2050. All this attention to cold fusion is weakening this 
important project, which employs hundreds of physicists and supports 
major reputable institutions. Hot fusion is proven technology, it 
works, and there are only a few technical details to be worked out 
for commercial applications, and the radioactive waste produced can 
be easily handled.


...

I really wish I was making this up. Most of these arguments I have 
actually encountered, in one form or another. Mostly, they come from 
physics grad students, since they now know everything and will soon 
need a job applying it. They don't know chemistry and materials 
science, which are the cold fusion fields. Therefore it's bogus. Physics Rules.


One little detail: experimental evidence. Feynman. Cargo Cult Science. 



Re: [Vo]:A Hurricane Prediction Based Upon Dark Matter

2012-09-25 Thread ChemE Stewart
NOAA named it Nadine not me. They are predicting it will turn North anyway.
 I am not sure if that is the low pressure system I am looking for or not.
 Weathermen make wrong predictions all of the time.  If I am wrong I guess
I might still qualify as one but I will not quit my day job for now.

I like your humor though



On Tuesday, September 25, 2012, wrote:

 Okay Stew... You've predicted the destination of Nadine, but why didn't you
 mention  why you named it Nadine?  So now, if I were to sound it out, it
 sounds very similar the word N-e-e-d-i-n-g? so, what is it that is
 relative importance you're currently in need of ?... is it wind-energy, a
 large
 amount of water for drinking, fishing, etc, etc., or maybe a big spin-off
 tornado or vortex that sucks you in  sends you to another place? (tee
 hee).


  Theories are useless unless they help us predict.

  I have gone out on a limb to predict the destination of tropical storm
  Nadine that has been swirling in the gulf the past couple of weeks.  I
  believe I am correct unless another dark matter particle interacts at some
  point along her path and wins out.

  http://wp.me/p26aeb-6D

  Please pray for me and those in her path or prepare to throw large amounts
  of egg at my face.

  Stewart 
 /HTML




Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-25 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax

At 10:15 PM 9/24/2012, Eric Walker wrote:

If a reproducible lo-fi protocol could be 
worked out, someone could write to Nathan Lewis 
and say, we took a look at your objections in 
1989 to the calorimetry and think we might have 
found a way around some of the difficulties ...


None of what has been written recently in this 
thread addresses calorimetry or any evidence of 
nuclear reactions, I want to make that clear. 
That something gets hot sometimes and sometimes 
not isn't even close to such evidence.


However, a way around some of the difficulties 
was found, before 1994. Miles found that excess 
heat in the Fleischmann-Pons Heat Effect, which 
he was able to reproduce many times, was 
correlated with excess heat, at roughly the right 
value for deuterium fusion. Helium is a nuclear 
product. The correlation is very strong: no heat, 
no helium, and thus, we may assume, no helium, no FPHE.


Lewis looked for heat and may have looked for 
helium. MIT certainly did. No heat, no helium 
(There have been some reanalyses which show that 
experiments with both Lewis and MIT experiments 
appear to have had a little anomalous heat, it 
simply wasn't as much as was expected, and 
nailing it down wasn't considered important, 
likely it was not enough heat for the reaction to 
have generated enough helium to be noteworthy.)


So if you do a PdD experiment and find no XP, it 
simply means that something was different and the 
reaction was not set up. This was known and 
understood even in the 1989 U.S. Department of 
Energy review. A negative replication never 
negates positive results, not on its own.


Naturally, the pseudoskeptics attempt to use this 
as an argument against cold fusion. No 
reliability, the equate with unreality, yet many 
known phenomena, especially when little understood, appear to be unreliable.


Once it was known that excess heat and helium 
were correlated, it becomes possible to 
independently check the calorimetry, by measuring 
helium. Some of the early negative replications 
measured both heat and helium, finding neither. 
Those then become part of the complete data set 
that *confirms* cold fusion, by confirming part of the heat/helium correlation.


Now, the obvious challenge for those who wish to 
continue to deny cold fusion: reproduce the 
experiments! Then demonstrate the artifacts 
involved. That would be real science.


I can imagine the pseudoskeptical wheels turning. 
What? Reproduce bad measurements?


Yes. Reproduce bad measurements, if that is what 
is the problem. Use the same methods, and show, 
then, through controlled experiment, independent 
calorimetry, etc., how poor technique produces 
the results that have been considered to 
establish the reality of cold fusion. I'm warning 
you, though, it ain't gonna be easy. Have fun 
trying to explain why phony heat matches phony 
helium results, with the helium being measured 
blind. Have fun trying to explain why so many 
different calorimetric methods come up with the same anomaly.


(Lewis actually attempted what could have been a 
piece of this, when he found that some cells 
appeared to show excess heat, which disappeared 
when they were stirred. If the cells had been 
similar in design and use to the Pons and 
Fleischmann cells, this could have been a 
cold-fusion-killer. But it wasn't, and very clear 
anomalous heat has been shown with flow 
calorimetry, impervious to this problem. This was 
all before the heat/helium correlation was known, 
most people absolutely did not expect to see 
helium as the ash. But Huizenga realized the 
implications of Miles' discovery immediately. He 
knew what a correlation would mean, and he only 
remained so seriously skeptical because he was 
able to stand on Miles not yet having been 
confirmed. Miles was confirmed, perhaps someone 
knows how Huizenga responded to that, if he was still capable of response.)


Shanahan was desperate in his last published 
criticism, he'd obviously lost all shame, 
asserting Rube Goldberg explanations that 
couldn't possibly cover the range of evidence. I 
think the editors published his letter because 
the skeptical position is truly dead, but some 
readers may have complained, it is still a common 
opinion among the ignorant that cold fusion is 
total bogosity, and the editgors wanted to nail 
the coffin shut, as was effectively done when 
most of the major scientists in the field 
responded. (Journal of Environmental Monitoring, 
the original review of cold fusion was by Krivit 
and Marwan, if you want to find this.) (Shanahan 
later complained that the editors would not allow 
him to respond again. The tables have been 
turned. At a certain point, journals stop opening 
their pages to what they see as a crank.) 



[Vo]:Universal LENR Reactor

2012-09-25 Thread Jack Cole
Hawaiian inventor, Dale Basgall, has finished up his work on the design of
the Universal LENR Reactor.  He has designed this reactor to
potentially serve multiple purposes (e.g., a teaching tool for studying
thermodynamic processes, a way to heat water for tea and so forth, and
fundamentally as a test-bed for studying LENR).  I think this is also a
clever approach to obtaining a patent.  He has put together as many
components as possible into the system (sonic resonance, electrostatic
discharge, thermal regulation, and other components that have been reported
as assisting in the LENR reaction).  The best part is, that the design is
meant to utilize nearly all off-the-shelf parts (other than the reactor
core base plate, which requires machining to build).

One of the notions behind this effort is to design a reactor that involves
standard systems of control and measurement to facilitate LENR experiments
and thus to assist in theory development and testing.

Here is Mr. Basgall's latest work on the reactor:
http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/2012/09/26/universal-lenr-reactor-auto-pilot-system/

Here are all my related posts on his work:
http://www.lenr-coldfusion.com/category/universal-lenr-reactor/

Best regards,
Jack


Re: [Vo]:Godes/McKubre 100% reproducability

2012-09-25 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Regarding the Dardik/Ultrasonic paper, I wonder if anyone has tried vapor
deposition of palladium (or nickel, titanium, lithium???) directly onto a
material with piezoelectric properties? Or for that matter, deposition on
to a SAW device, over a very thin passivation layer that in turn lies over
the metal forks?

I think this would only make sense if the resulting chip could be placed
in a compressed D2 environment. Electrolysis doesn't make sense here for
many reasons.

Piezo devices are high-impedance and voltage-driven - so you need a
(possibly big ratio, more than 100:1) step-up transformer if you're going
to use bipolar transistors to drive it. Power FETs might work directly.
Dunno, not enough of an AC circuit designer to say. Also don't know about
the drive characteristics of SAWs. Low voltages, I think.

Then you need a control system that would allow modulation of the pulses -
not difficult at ultrasonic frequencies, you could do it with a PC or just
about any microcontroller, but still another design task.

Yes, it quickly begins to resemble Godes' patent application.  Go figure.

I'm guessing the entire materials processing, system design and
implementation task is daunting enough that it's never been done, given the
paltry dollars available for LENR research. Of course Intel could do this
in a week if they decided to bother...dream on. (But boy, oh boy, are THOSE
guys going to be embarrassed if this all plays out and they miss out on all
the patents!)

For the record, I've never heard of SAW devices being mentioned in the same
breath with LENR. For the record, I note that this email might be
significant in some future patent or other IP law proceeding.

Ramblin' on into an unknown and unknowable future.
Jeff


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax 
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:

 At 03:43 PM 9/25/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:

 Having David Kidwell to say anything unequivocally positive about cold
 fusion is the fourth miracle of cold fusion. The three previous miracles,
 brought to you by Huizenga, pale in comparison. The Coulomb barrier is
 nothing compared to the Kidwell Attitude Barrier.


 Maybe it's a miracle, but  people with Seriously Bad Attitude about
 Cold Fusion don't run cold fusion experiments, because they are completely
 convinced that it's a waste of time.

 No, it appears that Kidwell is a skeptic, which is not at all a bad thing.
 He's obviously not a pseudoskeptic.

 Now, how will pseudoskeptics take Kidwells apparent turnabout? Putting on
 my pseudoskeptic hat, made of anti-tinfoil (looks exactly like tinfoil, but
 coming in contact with tinfoil, vanishes in a flash of hot air), I come up
 with:

 Kidwell obviously was an idiot, because he was willing to waste his time
 with this obvious nonsense, there is no credible theory that explains cold
 fusion, so any sane scientist won't touch it with a ten-foot-pole. We make
 sure they won't, because their reputations will be deservedly trashed
 faster than you can say Bockris. Remember Joe Champion? No? Obviously you
 have fallen under the influence of these fanatic die-hards, like the
 American Chemical Society, those physics-deprived chemists, and like the
 editors of Naturwissenschafter, what do the editors of a biology journal
 know about physics? The U.S. Navy has supported cold fusion research? Yeah,
 the military also supported research on killing goats by staring at them.

 Nobel Prize-winners have supported cold fusion research? Obviously, beyond
 their prime, losing it, dotty in their old age, like Pauling and that
 Josefson fellow. Did you know he's seriously considered telepathy? Yeah, to
 even think that cold fusion is possible, you have to have drunk way too
 much Whacko Kool-Aid.

 No, this is all a plot to divert seriously needed government funding for
 hot fusion, which has already produced breakeven once, and, with another
 trillion dollars of funding, is on track to produce real power by 2050. All
 this attention to cold fusion is weakening this important project, which
 employs hundreds of physicists and supports major reputable institutions.
 Hot fusion is proven technology, it works, and there are only a few
 technical details to be worked out for commercial applications, and the
 radioactive waste produced can be easily handled.

 ...

 I really wish I was making this up. Most of these arguments I have
 actually encountered, in one form or another. Mostly, they come from
 physics grad students, since they now know everything and will soon need a
 job applying it. They don't know chemistry and materials science, which are
 the cold fusion fields. Therefore it's bogus. Physics Rules.

 One little detail: experimental evidence. Feynman. Cargo Cult Science.



Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Good Alloy for Celani type reaction costs 5 cents : Chuck Sites

2012-09-25 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:16 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax 
a...@lomaxdesign.comwrote:

None of what has been written recently in this thread addresses calorimetry
 or any evidence of nuclear reactions, I want to make that clear. That
 something gets hot sometimes and sometimes not isn't even close to such
 evidence.


Appreciated.

The thought was that if you could find a way to demonstrate LENR above the
error threshold of a mercury thermometer, there could be
some mischievous fun to be had in presenting the toy experiment to Lewis,
who, it seems to me, made the fairly straightforward job of measuring the
flux of heat in a cell into something inordinately complex.  Which is not
to say there are no subtleties in calorimetry; only that it should have
been clear that one of the best electrochemists in his day would be able to
work out the power emitted from a PF cell above the error threshold,
strongly suggesting that there was something going on besides experimental
artifact.  Instead, Lewis chose to attack the 1989 paper on methodological
grounds.

Eric


[Vo]:Anderson localization

2012-09-25 Thread Axil Axil
In our discussions to date, the question that has not yet been addressed in
detail is how fatigue cracks in cold fusion electrodes, nano-hairs on the
surface of micro-grains and pitting in the wire that Celani uses all
contribute to the cold fusion process.


This question revolves around the wave based quantum mechanical property
called Anderson localization.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_localization


What nature does in one instance, she can act in an opposite way in another.

For instants, the wave nature of a quantum particle can cause a quantum
mechanical phenomenon where a particle tunnels through a barrier that
classically it could not surmount.

Anderson localization is the opposite quantum mechanical phenomenon where a
particle is fixed at a location that it classically should have no problem
in surmounting.

Think of it this way: in our classical world, a helicopter can fly over a
mountain range without being disturbed by the underlying landscape,
provided that it flies higher than the highest mountain, or provided that
for the height at which it flies, there is a labyrinth of valleys allowing
it to cross the mountain chain.

But in the quantum world, a quantum helicopter has a very good chance of
being unable to cross the chain, even if there is a percolating path of
valleys, and, in some situations, even if it has enough energy to fly over
the highest peak. And even more perplexing, the higher this quantum
helicopter flies the less chance it has to get over the mountain.

What happens instead is that its quantum wave remains trapped, due to the
interference of the multiply reflected wave at the various mountain peaks.
And the lager the electron is, that is, the more energy it has, the more
likely the obstacles in its path will nail it to its original position;
this strange behavior gives rise to a phenomenon known as Anderson
localization.


Read more at:
http://phys.org/news/2012-09-broadens-quantum-mechanics.html#jCp

When high energy electrons flow over a cracked, hairy, or pitted surface,
these electrons will pile up and accumulate because their large wave forms
are snagged by these surface imperfections. The bigger these quantum
particle wave forms are, the more likely that these particles will be
impaled and imprisoned by these surface imperfections.

The same is true for proton cooper pairs that these imprisoned high energy
electrons produce via the Shukla-Eliasson effect.

These cooper pairs first form a pile of stuff called a Bose glass. A Bose
glass is a disordered form of a Bose-Einstein condensate. When the
conditions become favorable, these localize pairs form a Bose-Einstein
condensate.

In QM speak, these nonlinear bosonic matter waves can undergo a
localization-delocalization quantum phase transition in any spatial
dimension when the interaction strength is varied; the transition brings
the system from a non-interacting Anderson insulator to an interacting
superfluid.

For the research that supports this new quantum mechanical interpretation
see

http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CB8QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Fnature%2Fjournal%2Fv489%2Fn7416%2Ffull%2Fnature11406.htmlei=635iULfnNYTO0QHU8YDoDQusg=AFQjCNEFWcWRYj5-jhRJNdgy7xEmcrTgRQsig2=_-S22pviwufHLkkd99P9iA



Cheers:axil


Re: [Vo]:Anderson localization

2012-09-25 Thread Axil Axil
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.4403

This reference is the underlying paper called


Bose glass and Mott glass of quasiparticles in a doped quantum magnet


On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 12:25 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 In our discussions to date, the question that has not yet been addressed
 in detail is how fatigue cracks in cold fusion electrodes, nano-hairs on
 the surface of micro-grains and pitting in the wire that Celani uses all
 contribute to the cold fusion process.


 This question revolves around the wave based quantum mechanical property
 called Anderson localization.


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anderson_localization


 What nature does in one instance, she can act in an opposite way in
 another.

 For instants, the wave nature of a quantum particle can cause a quantum
 mechanical phenomenon where a particle tunnels through a barrier that
 classically it could not surmount.

 Anderson localization is the opposite quantum mechanical phenomenon where
 a particle is fixed at a location that it classically should have no
 problem in surmounting.

 Think of it this way: in our classical world, a helicopter can fly over a
 mountain range without being disturbed by the underlying landscape,
 provided that it flies higher than the highest mountain, or provided that
 for the height at which it flies, there is a labyrinth of valleys allowing
 it to cross the mountain chain.

 But in the quantum world, a quantum helicopter has a very good chance of
 being unable to cross the chain, even if there is a percolating path of
 valleys, and, in some situations, even if it has enough energy to fly over
 the highest peak. And even more perplexing, the higher this quantum
 helicopter flies the less chance it has to get over the mountain.

 What happens instead is that its quantum wave remains trapped, due to the
 interference of the multiply reflected wave at the various mountain peaks.
 And the lager the electron is, that is, the more energy it has, the more
 likely the obstacles in its path will nail it to its original position;
 this strange behavior gives rise to a phenomenon known as Anderson
 localization.


 Read more at:
 http://phys.org/news/2012-09-broadens-quantum-mechanics.html#jCp

 When high energy electrons flow over a cracked, hairy, or pitted surface,
 these electrons will pile up and accumulate because their large wave forms
 are snagged by these surface imperfections. The bigger these quantum
 particle wave forms are, the more likely that these particles will be
 impaled and imprisoned by these surface imperfections.

 The same is true for proton cooper pairs that these imprisoned high energy
 electrons produce via the Shukla-Eliasson effect.

 These cooper pairs first form a pile of stuff called a Bose glass. A Bose
 glass is a disordered form of a Bose-Einstein condensate. When the
 conditions become favorable, these localize pairs form a Bose-Einstein
 condensate.

 In QM speak, these nonlinear bosonic matter waves can undergo a
 localization-delocalization quantum phase transition in any spatial
 dimension when the interaction strength is varied; the transition brings
 the system from a non-interacting Anderson insulator to an interacting
 superfluid.

 For the research that supports this new quantum mechanical interpretation
 see


 http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1cad=rjasqi=2ved=0CB8QFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nature.com%2Fnature%2Fjournal%2Fv489%2Fn7416%2Ffull%2Fnature11406.htmlei=635iULfnNYTO0QHU8YDoDQusg=AFQjCNEFWcWRYj5-jhRJNdgy7xEmcrTgRQsig2=_-S22pviwufHLkkd99P9iA



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