Re: [Vo]:Cern Colloquium: Low Energy Nuclear Reactions?
as far as I remember there is some reason to think that neutrons and tritium, produced at less tha million less quantity than expected with hot fusion, are not even produced when there is much anomalous heat... Pamela Mosier Boss seems to think it is anticorrelated Heat+He4 on on side, n+T on the other side some 500keV gamma in both case? Maybe Ed could make a summary. if that experiment, and many replications, are used to rule-out some theories, like W-L, that is science. the comments about thermalization, seems supported by many physicist, and on that point I think they are competent... at worst there is a new mechanism required to complete WL and explain 99.% cross-section. if absence of neutrons is used to ruleout heat observations, it is the usual aristotelian anti-science that spread in Wikipedia, SciAm, Nature/Science, APS/caltech and similar churches and comics. note that if they observe the small usual neutron flux in plasma cell, it is LENR. they have to admit something happen... not what they imagine, but it happen. but I'm sure they are not honest enough to admit it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink Type I: Overestimations of the group — its power and morality 1. *Illusions of invulnerability* creating excessive optimism and encouraging risk taking. 2. *Unquestioned belief in the morality of the group*, causing members to ignore the consequences of their actions. Type II: Closed-mindedness 1. *Rationalizing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rationalization_(making_excuses) warnings* that might challenge the group's assumptions. 2. *Stereotyping https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype *those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil, biased, spiteful, impotent, or stupid. Type III: Pressures toward uniformity 1. *Self-censorship https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-censorship* of ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus. 2. *Illusions of unanimity* among group members, silence is viewed as agreement. 3. *Direct pressure* to conform placed on any member who questions the group, couched in terms of disloyalty 4. *Mind guards*— self-appointed members who shield the group from dissenting information. Groupthink, resulting from the symptoms listed above, results in defective decision-making. That is, consensus-driven decisions are the result of the following practices of groupthinking[14]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink#cite_note-Kamau-14 1. Incomplete survey of alternatives 2. Incomplete survey of objectives 3. *Failure to examine risks *of preferred choice 4. Failure to reevaluate previously rejected alternatives 5. *Poor information search* 6. Selection bias https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias in collecting information 7. Failure to work out contingency plans. 2014/1/13 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com It will be interesting if they report excess heat AND no neutrons. Of course, if they report NO excess heat and NO neutrons then it's just an experimental blank.
RE: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:More on the Higgs field in LENR - as a portal
Jones, re At that point the zone could serve as a conduit for zero point penetration in the same or similar way that Puthoff has suggested for the role of ZPE in maintaining order in all atomic structures. VERY WELL SAID!! And not to forget an entire tapestry of different zones because every time the local geometry changes even slightly at these dimensions the DCE is huge segregating hydrogen by regions of different vacuum density - a quantum scale Puthoff balance that encompasses entire regions instead of just dictating the ground state of elements in the periodic chart. While the atomic scale is too large to see the wormholes and chaotic foam below the plank scale the quantum effects of nano geometry segregate some of these imbalances up into the macro world and break the isotropy in a segregated manner that can be exploited. Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 1:01 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: [Vo]:More on the Higgs field in LENR - as a portal Now that the specific details are firming up, dozens of prior postings here have danced around the notion that the Higgs field will be found to be relevant to excess heating in LENR in some mysterious way that explains thermal gain without relics of nuclear reactions. This may additionally involve magnetism, or high temperature superconductivity, or both ... An emergent new meme - insofar as LENR is concerned goes beyond the usual over-simplification is: Higgs field = aether = zpe, roughly speaking. Another verbalization is that the Higgs field represents a local or imposed superconductive state, such that energy will be channeled to condense (nucleate) around a local deficit state (think topological defect) within this geometry. The results is net thermal gain. In fact, it could be that the Higgs field only works within a geometrical constraint and it should be stated that way... perhaps as a hybrid term like mass-energy per fm3 (fm3 = cf = cubic femtometer). Admittedly this could be a failing attempt to match up the shadows on the wall of Plato's cave, but heck ... the effort is shaping up better than a random-walk thus far: 1 amu = 931.46 MeV/c2 or alternatively 1 GeV = 1.074 amu. Ergo 125+ GeV =~ 134 amu for the equivalent rest mass of Higgs when stated as a nuclear mass. The reported mass energy anomaly identified with the Higgs Field is 125+ GeV, but that does not mean that 134 amu is a usable value, without relevance to a spatial geometry. (or at all) Many of us have been proponents of nickel being the active isotope in Ni-H reactions as seen in a multitude of experimental results, and it may be yet another coincidence that specific nickel isotopes are about one half the atomic mass-energy equivalent of the Higgs (aether) value. Actually 62Ni, which apparently is still Rossi's pick of the litter, is 124 amu when doubled, which is well on the low side of half the Higgs value, even if two protons should also be counted. One area of conjecture would then be that in a situation where hydrogen is absorbed into a nickel matrix (or surface defect), a zone will often develop which is very close to the Higgs value on the low side. At that point the zone could serve as a conduit for zero point penetration in the same or similar way that Puthoff has suggested for the role of ZPE in maintaining order in all atomic structures. Xenon and five other elements have either stable isotopes, or surprising stability around a mass equivalence at 134 amu and that argues for this being the precise mass-energy of a zone of stability. Anyway, if there is a zone of mass stability around an area which corresponds to that which would typically hold two nickel atoms and two protons (two nickel hydride molecules) then perhaps this is getting us closer to the desired Higgs portal. What this post is suggesting is that the zone of stability should framed as one in which precise geometry is important ... and also this side note: Rossi came about his energy anomaly discovery essentially as an outgrowth of work being done on a thermoelectric generator for DoE. That project failed but soon after, Rossi switched gears into LENR. Here is the poser for all of the Rossi sleuths out there. Can you imagine any valid historical cross-connection between LENR, Higgs field (125 GeV) and the TEG which could have led to success in LENR being based on materials being used in TEG research? Hmmm... tellurium is the first thing that comes to mind for me in this TEG context, but it is complicated. More on the telluride connection later. Jones
Re: [Vo]:Cern Colloquium: Low Energy Nuclear Reactions?
Tritium, I believe, is created by the D+e+H fusion reaction. Helium is produced from the D+e+D reaction, which makes much more energy. Therefore, a cell making a lot of energy will not produce much tritium and a cell making tritium will not make much heat. In this way, an anti-correlation exists. Ed On Jan 14, 2014, at 1:11 AM, Alain Sepeda wrote: as far as I remember there is some reason to think that neutrons and tritium, produced at less tha million less quantity than expected with hot fusion, are not even produced when there is much anomalous heat... Pamela Mosier Boss seems to think it is anticorrelated Heat+He4 on on side, n+T on the other side some 500keV gamma in both case? Maybe Ed could make a summary. if that experiment, and many replications, are used to rule-out some theories, like W-L, that is science. the comments about thermalization, seems supported by many physicist, and on that point I think they are competent... at worst there is a new mechanism required to complete WL and explain 99.% cross-section. if absence of neutrons is used to ruleout heat observations, it is the usual aristotelian anti-science that spread in Wikipedia, SciAm, Nature/Science, APS/caltech and similar churches and comics. note that if they observe the small usual neutron flux in plasma cell, it is LENR. they have to admit something happen... not what they imagine, but it happen. but I'm sure they are not honest enough to admit it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink Type I: Overestimations of the group — its power and morality Illusions of invulnerability creating excessive optimism and encouraging risk taking. Unquestioned belief in the morality of the group, causing members to ignore the consequences of their actions. Type II: Closed-mindedness Rationalizing warnings that might challenge the group's assumptions. Stereotyping those who are opposed to the group as weak, evil, biased, spiteful, impotent, or stupid. Type III: Pressures toward uniformity Self-censorship of ideas that deviate from the apparent group consensus. Illusions of unanimity among group members, silence is viewed as agreement. Direct pressure to conform placed on any member who questions the group, couched in terms of disloyalty Mind guards— self-appointed members who shield the group from dissenting information. Groupthink, resulting from the symptoms listed above, results in defective decision-making. That is, consensus-driven decisions are the result of the following practices of groupthinking[14] Incomplete survey of alternatives Incomplete survey of objectives Failure to examine risks of preferred choice Failure to reevaluate previously rejected alternatives Poor information search Selection bias in collecting information Failure to work out contingency plans. 2014/1/13 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com It will be interesting if they report excess heat AND no neutrons. Of course, if they report NO excess heat and NO neutrons then it's just an experimental blank.
Re: [Vo]:Cern Colloquium: Low Energy Nuclear Reactions?
Axil, The magnetic effects on the sun are a long way from Earth. It is true that the net field at the surface of the Earth is a vector combination of the Sun's field at that location with the Earth's, but the Earth's field is far dominate. The effect should have been seen by experiments conducted here in the past. It seems odd that no one would have tried changing the local magnetic field searching for interactions. It might be the result of some other particle. Or, just another random measurement seeking an explanation. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 12:08 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Cern Colloquium: Low Energy Nuclear Reactions? The case for magnetism as a cause for nuclear reactions. http://phys.org/news/2011-09-physics.html Radioactive decay – a random process right? Well, according to some – maybe not. For several years now a team of physicists from Purdue and Stanford have reviewed isotope decay data across a range of different isotopes and detectors – seeing a non-random pattern and searching for a reason. And now, after eliminating all other causes – the team are ready to declare that the cause is... extraterrestrial. OK, so it’s suggested to just be the Sun – but cool finding, huh? Well… maybe it’s best to first put on your skeptical goggles before reading through anyone’s claim of discovering new physics. http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/august/sun-082310.html When researchers found an unusual linkage between solar flares and the inner life of radioactive elements on Earth, it touched off a scientific detective investigation that could end up protecting the lives of space-walking astronauts and maybe rewriting some of the assumptions of physics. On Dec 13, 2006, the sun itself provided a crucial clue, when a solar flare sent a stream of particles and radiation toward Earth. Purdue nuclear engineer Jere Jenkins, while measuring the decay rate of manganese-54, a short-lived isotope used in medical diagnostics, noticed that the rate dropped slightly during the flare, a decrease that started about a day and a half before the flare. The Sun is the source for huge explosions of magnetic force. Flares occur when accelerated charged particles, mainly electrons, interact with the plasma medium. Scientific research has shown that the phenomenon of magnetic reconnection is responsible for the acceleration of the charged particles. On the Sun, magnetic reconnection may happen on solar arcades – a series of closely occurring loops of magnetic lines of force. These lines of force quickly reconnect into a low arcade of loops leaving a helix of magnetic field unconnected to the rest of the arcade. The sudden release of energy in this reconnection is the origin of the particle acceleration. The unconnected magnetic helical field and the material that it contains may violently expand outwards forming a coronal mass ejection. This also explains why solar flares typically erupt from what are known as the active regions on the Sun where magnetic fields are much stronger on average. The appearance of the slowdown of the nuclear decay rate on earth that occurs at the onset of the solar flare indicate that magnetic interactions with the nucleus can modify nuclear activity. Magnetic energy is expended to accelerated charged particles outward from the sun. This flare activity temporally depletes magnetic force at the surface of the sun causing a reduction in nuclear decay rates. Yes, this is new physics. This solar evidence as well as Photo fusion and fission through laser radiation as described above is a result of magnetic effects modifying nuclear stability. On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The fixation on neutrons is part of the training imposedon nuclear physicists and engineers. But there is another less traveled road to the initiation ofnuclear reactions that has been under the radar in the nuclear community. Many years ago, it was shown that high energy laserscould induce fission and fusion if the power of the laser pulse was strongenough http://physics.aps.org/story/v5/st3 Photo induced nuclear reactions begin to occur when thepower density of the infrared light reached just under 10^^20 W/cm2. Since the timeof unaided photo nuclear reactions were demonstrated, it has been shown that goldnano-particles can amplify and concentrate infrared light by 9 orders ofmagnitudes. Now with gold Nano-particles, it is logicalto expect nuclear reactions will occur when laser light with an intensity of 10^^10 W/cm2 to 10^^12 W/cm2 will occur. That is 9 orders of magnitude less than unaided photo irradiation. Experiments using goldnano-particles in water suspension irradiated by laser light of this reducedlevel of intensity do in fact occur. Since then,light amplification by nano-structures has been
RE: [Vo]:More on the Higgs field in LENR - as a portal
Speaking of diverting fermion-based charge away from two protons in the nickel-hydrogen reaction - i.e. assuming that there are two approaching protons which cannot fuse due to Pauli ... we would be remiss if we did not mention the hypothetical particle known as the glueball ... Wiki has an entry. In fact, the mass-energy of this particle can be presumably very close to the Higgs, and it is not clear how it has been eliminated ... or if it has been, in all of the recent hoopla over the positive ID of the Higgs. In fact, there is every indication that the glueball will be the focal point of the next big billion dollar gambit of big $cience for your tax dollars. At any rate, if we vorticians want to propose a more specific kind of straw man for consideration of how the gain comes into nickel-hydrogen LENR- but without the normal indicia of nuclear reactions, one possibility is that there is a reciprocal QCD reaction of protons resulting in something like : Higgs Glueball which is largely extra-dimensional but leaves behind extra energy in 3-space, along with the original two protons which could not fuse. From: Axil Another verbalization is that the Higgs field represents a local or imposed superconductive state, such that energy will be channeled to condense (nucleate) around a local deficit state (think topological defect) within this geometry. In a nutshell...as is true for any superconductor, a magnetic field impinging on the Higgs field will produce topological defects: vortex based tangles or closed loops of magnetic field lines that will divert fermion based charge away from the fermion particles (nuclei, nucleons and quarks...topological defects) embedded in the Higgs field. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement
If they put 1,200 amps in at lets say 100 volts that is 120 KW. Its is an electrical fault. I seen this action and yes it will explode. There device is not sold state. LENR is a sold state reaction. I am not convinced. -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com To: CMNS c...@googlegroups.com Cc: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:52 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement 1) This part: 10 billion watts/10,000 of a liter = 1MW 2)This part: The disclosure of one of BlackLight’s patent application that was recently-filed worldwide, its 10 MW electric SF-CIHT cell system engineering design and simulation, high-speed video of millions of watts of supersonically expanding SF-CIHT cell plasma, Suppose it a video that has a less than 1us per frame, in spikes. So, they are claiming 1 or less joule for a few some spikes. That might be even an error or measurement... 2014/1/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter. Not LENR, but energy Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMNS group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cmns+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to c...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cmns. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement
It will be interesting to get more details about this device. Hopefully, the testing is solid and not subject to interpretation. The current level being injected into the cell seems enormous and capable of causing difficulties in the measurement system. Also, the pulse nature of the activity complicates accuracy. Dave -Original Message- From: Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com To: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com; CMNS c...@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:37 am Subject: [Vo]:BLP's announcement This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter. Not LENR, but energy Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement
I was not aware of anything in the definition of LENR that says that it has to be solid state. Some of the better public examples at the moment are solid state, but I am aware of other systems that appear to be low energy nuclear reactions which appear to use other substrates, and I see no reason to have to invent a different term just because it is a different substrate. As for BLP, the information seems to be designed to be both informative and misleading, which appears to be almost a defining characteristic of LENR Nigel On 14/01/2014 16:07, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: If they put 1,200 amps in at lets say 100 volts that is 120 KW. Its is an electrical fault. I seen this action and yes it will explode. There device is not sold state. LENR is a sold state reaction. I am not convinced. -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com To: CMNS c...@googlegroups.com Cc: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:52 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement 1) This part: 10 billion watts/10,000 of a liter = 1MW 2)This part: The disclosure of one of BlackLight’s patent application that was recently-filed worldwide, its 10 MW electric SF-CIHT cell system engineering design and simulation, high-speed video of millions of watts of supersonically expanding SF-CIHT cell plasma, Suppose it a video that has a less than 1us per frame, in spikes. So, they are claiming 1 or less joule for a few some spikes. That might be even an error or measurement... 2014/1/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com mailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter. Not LENR, but energy Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMNS group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cmns+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:cmns%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to c...@googlegroups.com mailto:c...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cmns. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement
Clearly Nigel, a variety nuclear reactions can occur depending on applied energy and the conditions. Hot fusion occurs at the upper end of this range even in plasma. Cold fusion occurs at the lower end of this range in a NAE only within solids. Between these two extremes, a variety of reactions occur in solids and in plasma. BLP has focused their attention on forming the hydrino, not on nuclear reactions, although the conditions will clearly cause nuclear reactions. But, to properly focus a discussion, the term LENR refers to nuclear reactions that occur only at low applied energy in a solid structure. Ed Storms On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: I was not aware of anything in the definition of LENR that says that it has to be solid state. Some of the better public examples at the moment are solid state, but I am aware of other systems that appear to be low energy nuclear reactions which appear to use other substrates, and I see no reason to have to invent a different term just because it is a different substrate. As for BLP, the information seems to be designed to be both informative and misleading, which appears to be almost a defining characteristic of LENR Nigel On 14/01/2014 16:07, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: If they put 1,200 amps in at lets say 100 volts that is 120 KW. Its is an electrical fault. I seen this action and yes it will explode. There device is not sold state. LENR is a sold state reaction. I am not convinced. -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com To: CMNS c...@googlegroups.com Cc: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:52 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement 1) This part: 10 billion watts/10,000 of a liter = 1MW 2)This part: The disclosure of one of BlackLight’s patent application that was recently-filed worldwide, its 10 MW electric SF-CIHT cell system engineering design and simulation, high-speed video of millions of watts of supersonically expanding SF-CIHT cell plasma, Suppose it a video that has a less than 1us per frame, in spikes. So, they are claiming 1 or less joule for a few some spikes. That might be even an error or measurement... 2014/1/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter. Not LENR, but energy Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMNS group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cmns+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to c...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cmns. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement
http://www.google.com/patents/EP2548257A2?cl=en You should not mention theory in a patent. Mills mentions hydrino about 100 times in this latest patent application. If this quantum state of the electron is not found to exist as defined in his patent, is the patent still valid? On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Clearly Nigel, a variety nuclear reactions can occur depending on applied energy and the conditions. Hot fusion occurs at the upper end of this range even in plasma. Cold fusion occurs at the lower end of this range in a NAE only within solids. Between these two extremes, a variety of reactions occur in solids and in plasma. BLP has focused their attention on forming the hydrino, not on nuclear reactions, although the conditions will clearly cause nuclear reactions. But, to properly focus a discussion, the term LENR refers to nuclear reactions that occur only at low applied energy in a solid structure. Ed Storms On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: I was not aware of anything in the definition of LENR that says that it has to be solid state. Some of the better public examples at the moment are solid state, but I am aware of other systems that appear to be low energy nuclear reactions which appear to use other substrates, and I see no reason to have to invent a different term just because it is a different substrate. As for BLP, the information seems to be designed to be both informative and misleading, which appears to be almost a defining characteristic of LENR Nigel On 14/01/2014 16:07, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: If they put 1,200 amps in at lets say 100 volts that is 120 KW. Its is an electrical fault. I seen this action and yes it will explode. There device is not sold state. LENR is a sold state reaction. I am not convinced. -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com danieldi...@gmail.com To: CMNS c...@googlegroups.com c...@googlegroups.com Cc: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:52 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement 1) This part: 10 billion watts/10,000 of a liter = 1MW 2)This part: The disclosure of one of BlackLight’s patent application that was recently-filed worldwide, its 10 MW electric SF-CIHT cell system engineering design and simulation, high-speed video of millions of watts of supersonically expanding SF-CIHT cell plasma, Suppose it a video that has a less than 1us per frame, in spikes. So, they are claiming 1 or less joule for a few some spikes. That might be even an error or measurement... 2014/1/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter. Not LENR, but energy Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMNS group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cmns+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to c...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cmns. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement
But, to properly focus a discussion, the term LENR refers to nuclear reactions that occur only at low applied energy in a solid structure. O i c. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/patents/EP2548257A2?cl=en You should not mention theory in a patent. Mills mentions hydrino about 100 times in this latest patent application. If this quantum state of the electron is not found to exist as defined in his patent, is the patent still valid? On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Clearly Nigel, a variety nuclear reactions can occur depending on applied energy and the conditions. Hot fusion occurs at the upper end of this range even in plasma. Cold fusion occurs at the lower end of this range in a NAE only within solids. Between these two extremes, a variety of reactions occur in solids and in plasma. BLP has focused their attention on forming the hydrino, not on nuclear reactions, although the conditions will clearly cause nuclear reactions. But, to properly focus a discussion, the term LENR refers to nuclear reactions that occur only at low applied energy in a solid structure. Ed Storms On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: I was not aware of anything in the definition of LENR that says that it has to be solid state. Some of the better public examples at the moment are solid state, but I am aware of other systems that appear to be low energy nuclear reactions which appear to use other substrates, and I see no reason to have to invent a different term just because it is a different substrate. As for BLP, the information seems to be designed to be both informative and misleading, which appears to be almost a defining characteristic of LENR Nigel On 14/01/2014 16:07, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: If they put 1,200 amps in at lets say 100 volts that is 120 KW. Its is an electrical fault. I seen this action and yes it will explode. There device is not sold state. LENR is a sold state reaction. I am not convinced. -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com danieldi...@gmail.com To: CMNS c...@googlegroups.com c...@googlegroups.com Cc: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:52 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement 1) This part: 10 billion watts/10,000 of a liter = 1MW 2)This part: The disclosure of one of BlackLight’s patent application that was recently-filed worldwide, its 10 MW electric SF-CIHT cell system engineering design and simulation, high-speed video of millions of watts of supersonically expanding SF-CIHT cell plasma, Suppose it a video that has a less than 1us per frame, in spikes. So, they are claiming 1 or less joule for a few some spikes. That might be even an error or measurement... 2014/1/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter. Not LENR, but energy Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMNS group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cmns+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to c...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cmns. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement
Mills mentions hydrino about 100 times in this latest patent application. If this quantum state of the electron is not found to exist as defined in his patent, is the patent still valid? He's probably either pretty confident it exists or he doesn't really care about the patent and it's just there for show. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/patents/EP2548257A2?cl=en You should not mention theory in a patent. Mills mentions hydrino about 100 times in this latest patent application. If this quantum state of the electron is not found to exist as defined in his patent, is the patent still valid? On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Clearly Nigel, a variety nuclear reactions can occur depending on applied energy and the conditions. Hot fusion occurs at the upper end of this range even in plasma. Cold fusion occurs at the lower end of this range in a NAE only within solids. Between these two extremes, a variety of reactions occur in solids and in plasma. BLP has focused their attention on forming the hydrino, not on nuclear reactions, although the conditions will clearly cause nuclear reactions. But, to properly focus a discussion, the term LENR refers to nuclear reactions that occur only at low applied energy in a solid structure. Ed Storms On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: I was not aware of anything in the definition of LENR that says that it has to be solid state. Some of the better public examples at the moment are solid state, but I am aware of other systems that appear to be low energy nuclear reactions which appear to use other substrates, and I see no reason to have to invent a different term just because it is a different substrate. As for BLP, the information seems to be designed to be both informative and misleading, which appears to be almost a defining characteristic of LENR Nigel On 14/01/2014 16:07, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: If they put 1,200 amps in at lets say 100 volts that is 120 KW. Its is an electrical fault. I seen this action and yes it will explode. There device is not sold state. LENR is a sold state reaction. I am not convinced. -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com danieldi...@gmail.com To: CMNS c...@googlegroups.com c...@googlegroups.com Cc: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:52 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement 1) This part: 10 billion watts/10,000 of a liter = 1MW 2)This part: The disclosure of one of BlackLight’s patent application that was recently-filed worldwide, its 10 MW electric SF-CIHT cell system engineering design and simulation, high-speed video of millions of watts of supersonically expanding SF-CIHT cell plasma, Suppose it a video that has a less than 1us per frame, in spikes. So, they are claiming 1 or less joule for a few some spikes. That might be even an error or measurement... 2014/1/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter. Not LENR, but energy Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMNS group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cmns+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to c...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cmns. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:More on the Higgs field in LENR - as a portal
*Regarding* * Higgs Glueball* http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0604006v2.pdf There exists an intimate relationship between the glue-knot and the magnetic monopole which is a basic ingredient in the dual superconductor picture for quark confinement. This issue will be discussed in a subsequent paper. Thus, our approach presents an efficient framework for understanding the mass gap in Yang-Mills theory and quark confinement in QCD. In this paper, as a step along this line, we derive glueball mass spectra by performing the collective coordinate quantization of knot soliton solution in the Faddeev model. Glueballs are identified with knot solitons and their excitations. The knot soliton is a topological soliton with non-vanishing Hopf index QH whose existence is suggested by the non-trivial Homotopy group π3(S2) = Z. ...and so on... Glueballs are also fies in the Higgs ointment. They are like the magnetically induced solitons that steal charge from fermions, but there is no spin associated with them so they just hold and release energy. Like quarks, they are also topological defect in the Higgs field. But quarks are magnetic monopoles connected as pairs by a spin based worm hole through the 5 dimension. The 5th dimension gives all these solitons their wave nature, supports spin, gravity, entanglement, and instantaneous action at a distance. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Speaking of diverting fermion-based charge away from two protons in the nickel-hydrogen reaction - i.e. assuming that there are two approaching protons which cannot fuse due to Pauli ... we would be remiss if we did not mention the hypothetical particle known as the glueball ... Wiki has an entry. In fact, the mass-energy of this particle can be presumably very close to the Higgs, and it is not clear how it has been eliminated ... or if it has been, in all of the recent hoopla over the positive ID of the Higgs. In fact, there is every indication that the glueball will be the focal point of the next big billion dollar gambit of big $cience for your tax dollars. At any rate, if we vorticians want to propose a more specific kind of straw man for consideration of how the gain comes into nickel-hydrogen LENR- but without the normal indicia of nuclear reactions, one possibility is that there is a reciprocal QCD reaction of protons resulting in something like : Higgs Glueball which is largely extra-dimensional but leaves behind extra energy in 3-space, along with the original two protons which could not fuse. From: Axil Another verbalization is that the Higgs field represents a local or imposed superconductive state, such that energy will be channeled to condense (nucleate) around a local deficit state (think topological defect) within this geometry. In a nutshell...as is true for any superconductor, a magnetic field impinging on the Higgs field will produce topological defects: vortex based tangles or closed loops of magnetic field lines that will divert fermion based charge away from the fermion particles (nuclei, nucleons and quarks...topological defects) embedded in the Higgs field.
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement
LENR means suppression and/or negation of the coulomb barrier, were as hot fusion and fission means overcoming the coulomb barrier through the application of high energies to the nucleus. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Mills mentions hydrino about 100 times in this latest patent application. If this quantum state of the electron is not found to exist as defined in his patent, is the patent still valid? He's probably either pretty confident it exists or he doesn't really care about the patent and it's just there for show. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/patents/EP2548257A2?cl=en You should not mention theory in a patent. Mills mentions hydrino about 100 times in this latest patent application. If this quantum state of the electron is not found to exist as defined in his patent, is the patent still valid? On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Clearly Nigel, a variety nuclear reactions can occur depending on applied energy and the conditions. Hot fusion occurs at the upper end of this range even in plasma. Cold fusion occurs at the lower end of this range in a NAE only within solids. Between these two extremes, a variety of reactions occur in solids and in plasma. BLP has focused their attention on forming the hydrino, not on nuclear reactions, although the conditions will clearly cause nuclear reactions. But, to properly focus a discussion, the term LENR refers to nuclear reactions that occur only at low applied energy in a solid structure. Ed Storms On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: I was not aware of anything in the definition of LENR that says that it has to be solid state. Some of the better public examples at the moment are solid state, but I am aware of other systems that appear to be low energy nuclear reactions which appear to use other substrates, and I see no reason to have to invent a different term just because it is a different substrate. As for BLP, the information seems to be designed to be both informative and misleading, which appears to be almost a defining characteristic of LENR Nigel On 14/01/2014 16:07, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: If they put 1,200 amps in at lets say 100 volts that is 120 KW. Its is an electrical fault. I seen this action and yes it will explode. There device is not sold state. LENR is a sold state reaction. I am not convinced. -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com danieldi...@gmail.com To: CMNS c...@googlegroups.com c...@googlegroups.com Cc: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:52 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement 1) This part: 10 billion watts/10,000 of a liter = 1MW 2)This part: The disclosure of one of BlackLight’s patent application that was recently-filed worldwide, its 10 MW electric SF-CIHT cell system engineering design and simulation, high-speed video of millions of watts of supersonically expanding SF-CIHT cell plasma, Suppose it a video that has a less than 1us per frame, in spikes. So, they are claiming 1 or less joule for a few some spikes. That might be even an error or measurement... 2014/1/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter. Not LENR, but energy Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMNS group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cmns+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to c...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cmns. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement
In general principle, this Mills system looks a lot like the Ni/H reactor that DGT is developing. It uses dielectric oxygen and hydrogen gas derived from water, transition metal reaction substrates, cyclic spark excitation, and an extended period of power discharge after the excitation by the spark. It also uses a family of alkali based hydrides as a reaction catalyst. I wonder what the reaction ash looks like from transmutation? Any tritium? helium? iron? On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: LENR means suppression and/or negation of the coulomb barrier, were as hot fusion and fission means overcoming the coulomb barrier through the application of high energies to the nucleus. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: Mills mentions hydrino about 100 times in this latest patent application. If this quantum state of the electron is not found to exist as defined in his patent, is the patent still valid? He's probably either pretty confident it exists or he doesn't really care about the patent and it's just there for show. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.google.com/patents/EP2548257A2?cl=en You should not mention theory in a patent. Mills mentions hydrino about 100 times in this latest patent application. If this quantum state of the electron is not found to exist as defined in his patent, is the patent still valid? On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Clearly Nigel, a variety nuclear reactions can occur depending on applied energy and the conditions. Hot fusion occurs at the upper end of this range even in plasma. Cold fusion occurs at the lower end of this range in a NAE only within solids. Between these two extremes, a variety of reactions occur in solids and in plasma. BLP has focused their attention on forming the hydrino, not on nuclear reactions, although the conditions will clearly cause nuclear reactions. But, to properly focus a discussion, the term LENR refers to nuclear reactions that occur only at low applied energy in a solid structure. Ed Storms On Jan 14, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Nigel Dyer wrote: I was not aware of anything in the definition of LENR that says that it has to be solid state. Some of the better public examples at the moment are solid state, but I am aware of other systems that appear to be low energy nuclear reactions which appear to use other substrates, and I see no reason to have to invent a different term just because it is a different substrate. As for BLP, the information seems to be designed to be both informative and misleading, which appears to be almost a defining characteristic of LENR Nigel On 14/01/2014 16:07, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: If they put 1,200 amps in at lets say 100 volts that is 120 KW. Its is an electrical fault. I seen this action and yes it will explode. There device is not sold state. LENR is a sold state reaction. I am not convinced. -Original Message- From: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com danieldi...@gmail.com To: CMNS c...@googlegroups.com c...@googlegroups.com Cc: VORTEX vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:52 am Subject: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement 1) This part: 10 billion watts/10,000 of a liter = 1MW 2)This part: The disclosure of one of BlackLight’s patent application that was recently-filed worldwide, its 10 MW electric SF-CIHT cell system engineering design and simulation, high-speed video of millions of watts of supersonically expanding SF-CIHT cell plasma, Suppose it a video that has a less than 1us per frame, in spikes. So, they are claiming 1 or less joule for a few some spikes. That might be even an error or measurement... 2014/1/14 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter. Not LENR, but energy Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups CMNS group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to cmns+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to c...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/cmns. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:Nothing new under the sun
The SF-CIHT cell in principle works in the same way as the first PAPP engine patented back in the 1970s. Papp used a spark discharge to activate water vapor to produce gainful electric power and a powerful pressure increase in the water plasma. In the duel cylinder design, the excess electrical power produced in the adjacent cylinder was used to power the spark discharge in the next cylinder cycle. The real power gain came from the pressure increase in the water based plasma. This power gain converted to electric power via a generator allowed the Papp engine to achieve an infinite COP of self-sustaining power production. If past is prolog, there must be a huge pressure increase in the water vapor after spark discharge in the SF-CIHT cell. The system’s architecture of the Papp engine is ideal for power production because the conversion of pressure expansion to electrical power is almost loss free using a simple generator setup through a drive shaft. I believe that Papp switched his design to noble gases because the water vapor was hard on this equipment. Being paranoid, Papp did not include in his patent what Mills uses to catalyze his reaction; that is, any number of alkali metal based hydride catalysts. I am so sorry; I do not accept the hydrino as a power generating mechanism … yet. I still think that nanoplasmonic based nanoparticles integration with light catalyze nuclear based energy release.
Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement
A truly annoying press release. Nothing about continuous or sustained power. Nothing about the energy in represented by that 12,000 amps. The 12,000 amps is stated as though we're supposed to be impressed at the large number when it is talking in terms of input to the system and could easily represent 10MW or more instantaneous power. Who writes these things? On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter. Not LENR, but energy Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement
Erratum: There is one sentence that is unambiguous about the word continuous: Technical papers by BlackLight providing the experimental tests of plasma to electric conversion, results of excess energy production from solid fuels, *results of continuous electricity production* at fifty times higher power density than prior generation CIHT electrochemical cells, and the detailed chemistry and identification of Hydrinos by ten analytical methods that laboratories can follow and replicate are given at http://www.blacklightpower.com/http://cts.businesswire.com/ct/CT?id=smartlinkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blacklightpower.com%2Fesheet=50782686newsitemid=20140114005647lan=en-USanchor=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blacklightpower.com%2Findex=3md5=295f7787704f7c715be7ddfe67368394 .http://cts.businesswire.com/ct/CT?id=smartlinkurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blacklightpower.comesheet=50782686newsitemid=20140114005647lan=en-USanchor=.index=4md5=e6c2c7f1d84732987e7ae8f5dcd308e3 If their January 28 demonstration isn't continuous and they instead provide an impressive pulse, it will be evidence of some kind of game they're playing or of abject idiocy on the part of their PR folks. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 4:18 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: A truly annoying press release. Nothing about continuous or sustained power. Nothing about the energy in represented by that 12,000 amps. The 12,000 amps is stated as though we're supposed to be impressed at the large number when it is talking in terms of input to the system and could easily represent 10MW or more instantaneous power. Who writes these things? On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.comwrote: This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Changing+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Let's see- Mike Carrell remained BLP's faithful supporter. Not LENR, but energy Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
[Vo]:Solar Orbs that harvest the moonlight
Up to 70 percent more efficient than a typical solar panel http://gizmodo.com/these-beautiful-solar-orbs-are-so-efficient-they-even-h-1500329295 -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement
There are two job openings at BLP: DIRECTOR, PLASMA TO ELECTRIC CONVERSION PROGRAM http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Director%20Plasma%20to%20Electric%20Conversion%20Program%20112713.pdf and SENIOR MECHANICAL ENGINEER http://www.blacklightpower.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/Senior%20Mechanical%20Engineer120313.pdf The job description details hint at where they are in the development process. But no date shown - these could be old postings.
RE: [Vo]:BLP's announcement
The main reason to suspect that this truly annoying press release is not LENR is because the inventor emphatically supplies his own theory as an alternative - which he steadfastly considers NOT to involve the nucleus. But Mills could be wrong about M.O. and right about the gain (or wrong about both). The method of operation is a self-serving opinion for now which has ramifications for IP but is independent of the reality of net energy gain . and given 23 years of hyperbole, failed promises and disappointing results - Mills presently has about the same level of credibility as Andrea Rossi when it comes to the underlying science. Which is not to say that he has not found finally something of extreme value, but only that he does not understand it very well himself, even as the inventor. Rossi is in the same category. No inventor, no matter how brilliant, gets to automatically make the final scientific determination about how his device functions. He may insist that he designed it to function in a certain manner, but that is not enough. If the device is gainful, then BLP may get most of the financial benefit of the invention - but there is only a slight presumption that he understands the science and the exact nature of gain. In this case and given the history - it is entirely possible that this device will be found to be both gainful AND that the hydrino will be found to be a fiction, at least as Mills' understands it. CIHT could end up being best explained as a variety of LENR - one in which the excess energy comes from conversion of nuclear mass into energy. In fact, there is a risk to BLP to insist that it is not LENR. From: James Bowery A truly annoying press release. Nothing about continuous or sustained power. Nothing about the energy in represented by that 12,000 amps. The 12,000 amps is stated as though we're supposed to be impressed at the large number when it is talking in terms of input to the system and could easily represent 10MW or more instantaneous power. Who writes these things? Peter Gluck wrote: This, this time seems to be remarkable progress- if true: http://www.financialpost.com/markets/news/BlackLight+Power+Announces+Game+Ch anging+Achievement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html Not LENR, but energy Peter
Re: [Vo]:Solar Orbs that harvest the moonlight
Greg Watson, eat your heart out. On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 5:58 PM, Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.comwrote: Up to 70 percent more efficient than a typical solar panel http://gizmodo.com/these-beautiful-solar-orbs-are-so-efficient-they-even-h-1500329295 -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect! The quickest puzzle ever!
Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: No inventor, no matter how brilliant, gets to automatically make the final scientific determination about how his device functions. He may insist that he designed it to function in a certain manner, but that is not enough. Yes! This is important. It should be obvious, but for some reason in this field the person who first does an experiment is considered to go-to expert to explain it theoretically. The researchers themselves fall into this trap. Arata was first to use nanoparticles. Many of his papers are devoted to theory, such as his latticequake theory. I don't think he is particularly qualified to do theory. This did not happen in the past as much. Edison discovered the Edison effect (thermionic emission) but I do not think he tried to explain it. He was not a theorist. (Although I think he understood more about chemistry and theory than he let on.) - Jed
Re: [Vo]:More on the Higgs field in LENR - as a portal
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: At any rate, if we vorticians want to propose a more specific kind of straw man for consideration of how the gain comes into nickel-hydrogen LENR- but without the normal indicia of nuclear reactions, one possibility is ... One question I have is about dark matter and energy. Count me skeptical about them; but if they exist, given that we know so little about them, what's to prevent them, at least at a conceptual level, from being converted to normal energy or mass (or vice versa)? I think we would have to say goodbye to COE. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: BLP's announcement
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:51 AM, Nigel Dyer l...@thedyers.org.uk wrote: I was not aware of anything in the definition of LENR that says that it has to be solid state. Some of the better public examples at the moment are solid state, but I am aware of other systems that appear to be low energy nuclear reactions which appear to use other substrates, and I see no reason to have to invent a different term just because it is a different substrate. I agree. I'm hopeful that the Papp reaction will be found to be real and that it will be shown to have the same mechanism as or a similar one to PdD and NiH LENR (assuming these have comparable mechanisms, which I do). For now I'm happy to cede to a distinction that limits LENR to a solid-state substrate. But I will not be surprised if this ends up being a category error, sort of like putting penguins into one biological class (water birds) and all other birds in another (land/air birds). Eric
Re: [Vo]:BLP's announcement
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 2:29 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: the detailed chemistry and identification of Hydrinos by ten analytical methods that laboratories can follow and replicate are given at http://www.blacklightpower.com/. Without offering an opinion about whether Blacklight Power actually has a gainful reaction, I will say that this particular detail sounds like pure huxterism. Eric
Re: [Vo]:More on the Higgs field in LENR - as a portal
Eric, Not so fast with doing away with CoE. I have not seen any proof that it is violated in any of these reactions. My suspicion is that it remains valid. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 10:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:More on the Higgs field in LENR - as a portal On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:03 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: At any rate, if we vorticians want to propose a more specific kind of straw man for consideration of how the gain comes into nickel-hydrogen LENR- but without the normal indicia of nuclear reactions, one possibility is ... One question I have is about dark matter and energy. Count me skeptical about them; but if they exist, given that we know so little about them, what's to prevent them, at least at a conceptual level, from being converted to normal energy or mass (or vice versa)? I think we would have to say goodbye to COE. Eric
Re: [Vo]:More on the Higgs field in LENR - as a portal
On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 8:31 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Not so fast with doing away with CoE. I have not seen any proof that it is violated in any of these reactions. My suspicion is that it remains valid. I don't have any compelling hunch against COE at this point, either generally or in the context of LENR. I guess my question is a more general one, about assumptions in science. On one hand, it's fine to say that everything that we've seen up to now is in conformity with COE and that it has been a fruitful methodological assumption. On the other, we did sort of conjure neutrinos from out of nowhere in order to retain COE (as I understand things). So we were able to keep COE only by going back and revising the books after the fact. There's some creative accounting going on there. Although I'm happy to continue assuming that COE holds, I do not see grounds for making it a fixed point that cannot be moved in the way that I would some other basic assumptions in science. Eric
