[Vo]:Fw: [teslafy] Facebook Post;Aug 11,2012,(3 yrs ago)

2015-08-12 Thread Harvey Norris
 Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

  On Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:14 AM, harv...@yahoo.com [teslafy] 
tesl...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
   

     Here a puzzling reference is made which will need clarification. It is in 
regard to a seemingly mysterious impossible circuit. In this circuit a 
capacitor is connected (from one side only) to its line input of the delta 3 
phase alternator voltage source. Since the circuit is not closed but open, a 
voltage meter across the reactance will read zero volts. But if we put a 
voltage meter across the remaining endings of this zero volt source we will 
read the source voltage? How can a voltage be procured across delivery lines 
reading zero volts. This puzzled me at first and is encountered in this 
circumstance of having three generations of voltage meters recording the 
phenomenon. First we have voltage meters across the source of voltage from the 
3 phase source itself. Since the loads are series resonant they produce an 
internal voltage rise and we have a second set of voltage meters recording this 
voltage rise. And lastly to determine the acting phase angle between the 
resonant phasings themselves a third generation of voltage meters is used: 
placed between the voltage rises of each phase. At the beginning of the video 
an 11 volt 3 phase source is shown, and the resonant internal voltage rise 
meters show zero volts, because the circuits have been disconnected at the 
middle of the LC series circuit, where the amperage meter for that phase 
completes the circuit. And to make a correction here also near the end of the 
video; YOU CANNOT ASSUME TIME DISTORTION on the basis of forming phase angles 
by the triangle formed from comparing stator line amperages to individual phase 
amperages: for the simple fact that this assumption discounts whether the 
circuit is experiencing a resonant rise of amperage within the phase itself. So 
it was a mistake to assume that the evidence shows an expanded time 
referencing of some 400 degrees in the time circle by the information contained 
in the amperage triangulations.  However the same argument should not be valid 
in the cases where where relative voltage rises between resonant phasings DO 
show a time distortion. It is not so easy to sweep that phenomenon under the 
rug. In most cases a compressed time circle is present, not an expanded one. 
And apparently another argument may be used to indicate why that might not be 
unusual. In any case yesterday face book sent me a notice about something I 
posted three years ago, so here it is...In the following video two aspects of 
time distortion are shown. The first is the making of a voltage system where 
the whole is greater then the sum of its parts. Here it is shown that 
13+43.3=69.2, where the numbers express the vector addition of voltages created 
in time. The second portion is the showing of a system that reflects voltage 
back to its source so that when the third element or phase is added, the source 
of voltage actually increases, rather then decreasing, which is the normal 
function of the alternator when a resistive load is added. I now understand 
that when this occurs, a loss of amperage from the operation of the system on 
that phase does occur. First of all to show people what I am talking about I 
shut everything down, and then reconnect the three phases of off timed energy 
inputs in order, one at a time. By the time the third phase is added, the loads 
then start charging up their source of voltage, and about 60% more voltage 
appears from the sender source then should logically be present. Logic even 
dictates that if I put another load there on that phase giving out extra 
energy, the source of voltage would again be reduced to the amount shown at 
startup, but in the meantime this extra load has been powered for free! So when 
people ask me what my wireless tesla coil is good for, I tell them that it 
converts time into energy! Since this occurs we might call that kind of load a 
negative resistance, since it does the opposite from what an ordinary 
resistance will do. At the beginning of the video I open all the loads at their 
middle connection, so that the capacitors all read zero volts, and the coils 
all read zero amps. What has caused me to initially laugh about this situation 
is that even though zero current and zero voltage are being read across the 
capacitors, we can still determine the separation of timed impulses in time 
across those capacitors connected by only one delivery wire, in that if we take 
the remaining endings removed from their source, and measure the voltage 
between them they will read the source voltage! So essentially we have three 
voltage meters in series where the outside voltage meters read zero, but the 
inside one shows the voltage that will exist once we connect the circuits! It 
might seem like we have measured a voltage seemingly from 

Re: [Vo]:Program and Abstracts of the All Russian Symposium

2015-08-12 Thread Steve High
The story of why his invention was not carried forward is a bit alarming
and sounds like a broken record...
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/strange-life-and-stranger-death-paul-brown-case-another-smart-guy-doing-dumb-thing

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:

 Brown’s Resonant Battery would have been a wonderful invention, if it was
 true.  I get the impression that no one ever replicated his results.



 *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:52 PM
 *To:* vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Program and Abstracts of the All Russian Symposium



 http://www.rexresearch.com/nucell/nucell.htm

 The Paul Brown Resonant Nuclear Battery is an ideal EMF harvester design
 to take advantage the magnetic beams produced by the SPPs. The beta decays
 usually used to produce the EMF need not be present since SPPs produce
 magnetic power directly and act as ideal generators of EMF motive force.
 Anyone who is interested in LENR should look into the theory and
 engineering related to the Paul Brown Resonant Nuclear Battery. This
 technology will still support the Cat and Mouse drive concept. Rossi is
 realty something, How he thinks of these things is amazing.



 On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Dear Friends,



 3 minutes after I have sent you the daily issue of EGO OUT

 this was published



 http://lenr.seplm.ru/konferentsii/opublikovana-programma-i-tezisy-rkkhtyaishm-22-kotoraya-sostoitsya-v-dagomyse-s-2709-po-04102015





 It's the ICCF 19.5 Symposium. YOU CAN READ THE ABSTRACTS IN ENGLISH!

 Enjoy!
 Peter

 --

 Dr. Peter Gluck

 Cluj, Romania

 http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com





RE: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread Jones Beene
This is the reason that many physicists are skeptical of Holmlid.

The problem is that plasmons have no real mass, yet can couple with a photon to 
create the quasiparticle we call the plasma polariton or SPP, which also has no 
rest mass. If SPP have enough energy, perhaps they can convert to muons, but 
that requires so much energy that it seems unlikely. 

By process of elimination, I am wondering if Holmlid’s version of dense 
hydrogen H(0), which I prefer to call DDL, is converted – despite its opposite 
charge. Is it time to muddy the water with degenerate matter?

From: Axil Axil 

The Muon comes from the SPP. In the Holmlid paper, the muons increased when the 
lights in the lab were turned on. In order to minimize muon production, the 
Rydberg matter had to be covered to exclude light. 

The sources give a slowly decaying muon signal for several hours and days 
after being used for producing H(0). They can be triggered to increase the muon 
production by laser irradiation inside the chambers or sometimes even by 
turning on the fluorescent lamps in the laboratory for a short time.

Light is being converted to a form of energy that can produce muons. I say that 
that form of energy conversion is light to magnetic energy powerful enough to 
produce muons.

In the Rossi reactor, the form of light is infrared. Deal with it.



Re: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:45 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

Perhaps more to the point, where does the energy come from to create the
 muon in
 the first place?


I didn't want to be a downer and ask the obvious question as to where the
energy was coming to create muons and pions.  ;)

Eric


Re: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread Axil Axil
The Muon comes from the SPP. In the Holmlid paper, the muons increased when
the lights in the lab were turned on. In order to minimize muon production,
the Rydberg matter had to be covered to exclude light.

The sources give a slowly decaying muon signal for several hours and days
after being used for producing H(0). They can be triggered to increase the
muon production by laser irradiation inside the chambers or sometimes even
by turning on the fluorescent lamps in the laboratory for a short time.

Light is being converted to a form of energy that can produce muons. I say
that that form of energy conversion is light to magnetic energy powerful
enough to produce muons.

In the Rossi reactor, the form of light is infrared. Deal with it.


RE: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message-
From: mixent@bigpond

Perhaps more to the point, where does the energy come from to create the
muon in the first place? A muon has a mass of 105.7 MeV. The only nuclear
reaction that can produce that sort of energy in one go is a heavy element
fission reaction. Even if the first one is a cosmic-ray muon, where do the
rest come from? One muon can catalyze multiple fusion reactions, but these
occur sequentially, and none of them release enough energy individually to
produce a new muon.

Robin,

The idea is that during the energy exchange of catalysis, the lifetime of
the muon is extended by the energy which would go into gamma radiation. This
would be instead of creation of a new muon. 

However, I am starting to agree with your skepticism, and Eric's, that this
could happen routinely. 

That is the value of a forum where weak ideas are challenged.








Re: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread Axil Axil
The SPP can gather energy from two possible sources, the vacuum and fusion.
What proportion of energy can be extracted from each of those sources is
not yet knowable, but that energy could be enough to produce muons.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 1:04 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 From the Holmlid paper as follows:

 This means a total intensity of 1.5 × 109 s−1 sr−1.

 That intensity of muon production is too high for the source of muons to
 be coming from space..

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 From the Holmlid paper as follows:

 With the source turned off at the end of the experiments, the count was
 1.6 × 105 thus a certain change due to the source. In another
 experiment, the count was 1.08 × 105 at another source, sinking to 0.91
 × 105 2 m away. The standard deviation is around 300 while the
 difference is 17 000, thus 50 times larger. Thus, a clear shift with
 detector position is found. The high-energy tail in these experiments
 (which is due to the particles giving photons in the PS, not electrons in
 the beta distribution) was close to 7000, thus with a standard deviation σ
 = 80. With water and lead shielding, the count was 7300 while without the
 shielding, the count was 8300, thus a difference 12 times larger than σ. A
 position close to one source which was not operating gave a count of 6915,
 while directly moving the detector a 3 m long distance from that position
 gave a count of 7873, thus a change 12 times larger than σ. A higher signal
 far from the source indicates a decay of the emitted particles. It is
 concluded that a signal due to decaying particles and* muons exists in
 the laboratory.*

 This shows that the source of the muons is located in the lab because
 muons decay when the detected is moved futher from the sourse. This decay
 would not happen is the sourse was from space.

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
 wrote:

 Let me backtrack… If we follow the credo that “experiment rules” and
 that Holmlid appears to be “making” muons, then the scenario which
 makes the most sense could be that SPP are indeed extending the life of
 cosmic muons, which then accumulate – giving the appearance that they
 are being made.

 In effect, we do not need to “make” them so much as keep them from
 decaying.

 Is the glow stick all about …(drum roll)… zombie muons ?

 --

 This is the reason that many physicists are skeptical of Holmlid.

 The problem is that plasmons have no real mass, yet can couple with a
 photon to create the quasiparticle we call the plasma polariton or SPP,
 which also has no rest mass. If SPP have enough energy, perhaps they
 can convert to muons, but that requires so much energy that it seems
 unlikely.

 By process of elimination, I am wondering if Holmlid’s version of dense
 hydrogen H(0), which I prefer to call DDL, is converted – despite its
 opposite charge. Is it time to muddy the water with degenerate matter?

 *From:* Axil Axil

 The Muon comes from the SPP. In the Holmlid paper, the muons increased
 when the lights in the lab were turned on. In order to minimize muon
 production, the Rydberg matter had to be covered to exclude light.

 The sources give a slowly decaying muon signal for several hours and
 days after being used for producing H(0). They can be triggered to increase
 the muon production by laser irradiation inside the chambers or sometimes
 even by turning on the fluorescent lamps in the laboratory for a short
 time.

 Light is being converted to a form of energy that can produce muons. I
 say that that form of energy conversion is light to magnetic energy
 powerful enough to produce muons.

 In the Rossi reactor, the form of light is infrared. Deal with it.






Re: [Vo]:Re: The appearance of muons are explained by SPP theory.

2015-08-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

Here is the problem. The muon lifetime is only 2 microseconds, so even
 travelling at C, the free path before complete decay is less than a
 kilometer.


I wonder if relativistic time dilation extends the half-life of the muon in
our frame of reference.

Eric


[Vo]:Re: Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread Bob Cook
Eric--

Note my comment to Jones before I read your questions.

Bob

From: Eric Walker 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 7:18 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL  RPF

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

  D+D + muon → helium-4 + muon (instead of gamma)



  … where the fist muon can be a cosmic muon which can catalyze a reaction and 
then be rejuvenated, renewed or replaced by the same fusion reaction that it 
catalyzes. 

  The muon is a “heavy electron” with a short life, but now we can surmise that 
it can have its lifetime greatly extended as part of the catalysis. The 
probability for this to occur is larger than zero, but how large? … “Maybe it’s 
pretty high” says Byrnes. Can it explain the lack of gamma, as well? Probably. 
But now, as we are learning – this rebirth effect will be more robust with SPP 
and fractional hydrogen.

A muon could possibly carry away as kinetic energy the energy that would 
otherwise go to a gamma.  But if we're talking about a single muon, how do you 
propose that the spin of the missing photon is conserved?

Eric


Re: [Vo]:A 21st Century Case for Gold: A New Information Theory of Money.

2015-08-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:

I know little about economics, but limiting the amount of money based on
 the amount gold we have -- or the number of bitcoins -- seems like utter
 lunacy to me. It never worked in the past. There are two reasons:

 1. The money supply has to increase when there is more economic activity
 and more people, or you get severe deflation. This happened in the U.S. and
 other countries on the gold standard. Severe deflation is a bad thing.


This is the reason I've never understood the appeal of gold or bitcoin.
The urge to take the control of the amount of money in circulation out of
the hands of central banks seems to disregard the danger of deflation.

Eric


Re: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread Bob Cook
Muons, SPP, DDL  RPFMuon decay rate is not a constant but is influenced by 
various parameters.  Spin and angular momentum vectors respectively, associated 
with the muon and electron or positron resulting from the decay, respectively, 
are coupled in the decay process. In this regard a magnetic field in so far as 
it effects the polarization of the muon and the angular momentum vector of the 
electron may increase or decrease the probability of the decay rate. 

If the muon decay is modified by a magnetic field, then the mass loss of the 
muon may be given up  to orbital spin energy of the local SPP or the local 
lattice electrons without the production of neutrinos needed to conserve linear 
momentum in a decay process unassisted or made possible in a coherent coupled 
QM system.

The  muon decay is described in some complexity in the link that follows:

http://pdg.lbl.gov/2011/reviews/rpp2011-rev-muon-decay-params.pdf

In summary IMHO the details of the decay mechanism are not very understandable 
based on the cited paper.  

Bob Cook



From: Jones Beene 
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 7:05 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
Subject: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL  RPF

Its acronym time again. LENR is nothing if not full of acronyms. All of this 
set of letters seems to work together.

Here is a website from Steve Byrnes – and it is quite well done. Even if you 
disagree with the conclusions (and by now, most of us have our own opinions on 
the details) it is well-researched, but a little dated - including the piece on 
muons: 

http://sjbyrnes.com/cf/?p=744

If the Holmlid disclosure about finding muons (heavy electrons) in the context 
of ultra-dense hydrogen (also known as DDL or deep Dirac level) and especially 
when irradiated by laser is correct, then there is a good possibility that this 
will lead to an improved understanding of one mechanism for LENR gain using 
plasmons to make heavy electrons (there are other mechanisms besides SPP). 


If Byrnes had realized that there could be a connection between an incandescent 
glow-reactor and SPP, and subsequently - between SPP and DDL and muons, his 
conclusion might look more cutting edge. But he has the brilliant insight to 
suggest a new possibility for muon-catalyzed fusion of deuterium, starting with 
a “spectator muon” which is renewed or replaced sequentially by the reaction 
itself, to wit:

D+D + muon → helium-4 + muon (instead of gamma)

… where the fist muon can be a cosmic muon which can catalyze a reaction and 
then be rejuvenated, renewed or replaced by the same fusion reaction that it 
catalyzes. 

The muon is a “heavy electron” with a short life, but now we can surmise that 
it can have its lifetime greatly extended as part of the catalysis. The 
probability for this to occur is larger than zero, but how large? … “Maybe it’s 
pretty high” says Byrnes. Can it explain the lack of gamma, as well? Probably. 
But now, as we are learning – this rebirth effect will be more robust with SPP 
and fractional hydrogen. 

There is one further detail which can be added in the glowing ferment: the 
enhanced diproton reaction, which is being labeled as RPF or “reversible proton 
fusion.” This avenue can explain most actual SPP results better than one-way 
fusion. This pathway works cleanly with the muon catalyst, more so than does 
Storm’s hydrotron, for instance.


Surface plasmons typically do not occur or participate in electrolytic fusion 
(such as the PF reaction) unless a laser is added (Letts/Cravens effect). SPP 
production requires semi-coherent photons which are typically IR or visible in 
wavelength, and which a laser can supply. A magnetic field helps.

There is little doubt that the Letts/Cravens effect is a simple implementation 
of SPP. However, deuteron fusion using SPP would produce gammas UNLESS the 
replacement muon carries away the gamma energy – which is the real beauty of 
having the muon modality in the first place. It explains the lack of gammas 
elegantly at the same time it explains an extended lifetime for the heavy 
electron.

The better scenario for finding a good fit in muon catalysis, assuming that we 
can combine Holmlid’s and Byrnes insight - happens with protons instead of 
deuterons. This is the reversible diproton reaction, such as occurs on the sun 
with astounding frequency. There is little transmutation in the end, but 
instead we have a plethora of catalyzed inelastic collisions which do not 
proceed to permanent fusion – only soft x-rays. Consequently the reaction is 
called “reversible” (due to Pauli).

P+P + muon → Helium-2 → P+P + muon + excess energy 

Helium-2 (diproton) has a shorter half-life than the muon. The excess energy 
which is seen in RPF would appear as soft x-rays or UV and happen in 
nanoseconds. The energy derives either from QCD and Helium-2 mass as it decays 
- or from muon mass-energy when that species finally decays, having being 
renewed several times. Since the muon “lives” for a few 

Re: [Vo]:A 21st Century Case for Gold: A New Information Theory of Money.

2015-08-12 Thread Lennart Thornros
Eric and Jed,
Why do we need someone to control the amount of money in circulation?
Why do we need to split it up in pieces? I guess it is good for China they
can now fix their economy by letting others pay for it. This nationalistic
way of solving problems will go away. Just let it go natural.
I do not think we need a financial nurse checking out for us.
Freedom is a god thing liberalism does stand for that from the beginning
but now it has become to mean socialism. Is that why everybody like to have
more nursing? Cannot distinguish between liberalism and socialism:)
Big difference.

Best Regards ,
Lennart Thornros

www.StrategicLeadershipSac.com
lenn...@thornros.com
+1 916 436 1899
202 Granite Park Court, Lincoln CA 95648

“Productivity is never an accident. It is always the result of a commitment
to excellence, intelligent planning, and focused effort.” PJM

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 7:01 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 2:11 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I know little about economics, but limiting the amount of money based on
 the amount gold we have -- or the number of bitcoins -- seems like utter
 lunacy to me. It never worked in the past. There are two reasons:

 1. The money supply has to increase when there is more economic activity
 and more people, or you get severe deflation. This happened in the U.S. and
 other countries on the gold standard. Severe deflation is a bad thing.


 This is the reason I've never understood the appeal of gold or bitcoin.
 The urge to take the control of the amount of money in circulation out of
 the hands of central banks seems to disregard the danger of deflation.

 Eric




Re: [Vo]:Rossi's 1 MW Thermal LENR plant trial. What's the current consensus?

2015-08-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 5:27 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:

Wikipedia uses a lot of poor, dated references in Cold Fusion and the
 editor 

 this could be forgiven, but given more recent reference to mainstream
 article (like il corriere della serra, or justice) they refuse to update.


Coming from a practical standpoint, that merely places a limit on the
usefulness of Wikipedia; many articles are good, and you can expect ones on
controversial topics to be biased and stuck fifteen years in the past.  If
you understand these limits, Wikipedia is a very useful reference.  I'm
personally surprised that, as a volunteer effort, it is as good as it is.
I will intentionally go to it first to find out about a person or company,
rather than relying on their own website or an article in a for-pay
encyclopedia like Britannica.  But I do not go there to find out about the
latest on cold fusion.

Eric


RE: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread Jones Beene
Let me backtrack… If we follow the credo that “experiment rules” and that 
Holmlid appears to be “making” muons, then the scenario which makes the most 
sense could be that SPP are indeed extending the life of cosmic muons, which 
then accumulate – giving the appearance that they are being made.

In effect, we do not need to “make” them so much as keep them from decaying.

Is the glow stick all about …(drum roll)… zombie muons ?

--
This is the reason that many physicists are skeptical of Holmlid.
The problem is that plasmons have no real mass, yet can couple with a photon to 
create the quasiparticle we call the plasma polariton or SPP, which also has no 
rest mass. If SPP have enough energy, perhaps they can convert to muons, but 
that requires so much energy that it seems unlikely. 
By process of elimination, I am wondering if Holmlid’s version of dense 
hydrogen H(0), which I prefer to call DDL, is converted – despite its opposite 
charge. Is it time to muddy the water with degenerate matter?
From: Axil Axil 
The Muon comes from the SPP. In the Holmlid paper, the muons increased when the 
lights in the lab were turned on. In order to minimize muon production, the 
Rydberg matter had to be covered to exclude light. 
The sources give a slowly decaying muon signal for several hours and days 
after being used for producing H(0). They can be triggered to increase the muon 
production by laser irradiation inside the chambers or sometimes even by 
turning on the fluorescent lamps in the laboratory for a short time.
Light is being converted to a form of energy that can produce muons. I say that 
that form of energy conversion is light to magnetic energy powerful enough to 
produce muons.
In the Rossi reactor, the form of light is infrared. Deal with it.


Re: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 D+D + muon → helium-4 + muon (instead of gamma)

 … where the fist muon can be a cosmic muon which can catalyze a reaction
 and then be rejuvenated, renewed or replaced by the same fusion reaction
 that it catalyzes.

 The muon is a “heavy electron” with a short life, but now we can surmise
 that it can have its lifetime greatly extended as part of the catalysis. The
 probability for this to occur is larger than zero, but how large? … “Maybe
 it’s pretty high” says Byrnes. Can it explain the lack of gamma, as well? 
 Probably.
 But now, as we are learning – this rebirth effect will be more robust
 with SPP and fractional hydrogen.

A muon could possibly carry away as kinetic energy the energy that would
otherwise go to a gamma.  But if we're talking about a single muon, how do
you propose that the spin of the missing photon is conserved?

Eric


Re: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread mixent
In reply to  Eric Walker's message of Wed, 12 Aug 2015 21:18:24 -0500:
Hi,

Perhaps more to the point, where does the energy come from to create the muon in
the first place? A muon has a mass of 105.7 MeV. The only nuclear reaction
that can produce that sort of energy in one go is a heavy element fission
reaction. Even if the first one is a cosmic-ray muon, where do the rest come
from? One muon can catalyze multiple fusion reactions, but these occur
sequentially, and none of them release enough energy individually to produce a
new muon.


On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 D+D + muon ? helium-4 + muon (instead of gamma)

 … where the fist muon can be a cosmic muon which can catalyze a reaction
 and then be rejuvenated, renewed or replaced by the same fusion reaction
 that it catalyzes.

 The muon is a “heavy electron” with a short life, but now we can surmise
 that it can have its lifetime greatly extended as part of the catalysis. The
 probability for this to occur is larger than zero, but how large? … “Maybe
 it’s pretty high” says Byrnes. Can it explain the lack of gamma, as well? 
 Probably.
 But now, as we are learning – this rebirth effect will be more robust
 with SPP and fractional hydrogen.

A muon could possibly carry away as kinetic energy the energy that would
otherwise go to a gamma.  But if we're talking about a single muon, how do
you propose that the spin of the missing photon is conserved?

Eric
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread Axil Axil
From the Holmlid paper as follows:

This means a total intensity of 1.5 × 109 s−1 sr−1.

That intensity of muon production is too high for the source of muons to be
coming from space..

On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 12:52 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:

 From the Holmlid paper as follows:

 With the source turned off at the end of the experiments, the count was
 1.6 × 105 thus a certain change due to the source. In another experiment,
 the count was 1.08 × 105 at another source, sinking to 0.91 × 105 2 m
 away. The standard deviation is around 300 while the difference is 17 000,
 thus 50 times larger. Thus, a clear shift with detector position is found.
 The high-energy tail in these experiments (which is due to the particles
 giving photons in the PS, not electrons in the beta distribution) was close
 to 7000, thus with a standard deviation σ = 80. With water and lead
 shielding, the count was 7300 while without the shielding, the count was
 8300, thus a difference 12 times larger than σ. A position close to one
 source which was not operating gave a count of 6915, while directly moving
 the detector a 3 m long distance from that position gave a count of 7873,
 thus a change 12 times larger than σ. A higher signal far from the source
 indicates a decay of the emitted particles. It is concluded that a signal
 due to decaying particles and* muons exists in the laboratory.*

 This shows that the source of the muons is located in the lab because
 muons decay when the detected is moved futher from the sourse. This decay
 would not happen is the sourse was from space.

 On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:

 Let me backtrack… If we follow the credo that “experiment rules” and
 that Holmlid appears to be “making” muons, then the scenario which makes
 the most sense could be that SPP are indeed extending the life of cosmic
 muons, which then accumulate – giving the appearance that they are being
 made.

 In effect, we do not need to “make” them so much as keep them from
 decaying.

 Is the glow stick all about …(drum roll)… zombie muons ?

 --

 This is the reason that many physicists are skeptical of Holmlid.

 The problem is that plasmons have no real mass, yet can couple with a
 photon to create the quasiparticle we call the plasma polariton or SPP,
 which also has no rest mass. If SPP have enough energy, perhaps they can
 convert to muons, but that requires so much energy that it seems
 unlikely.

 By process of elimination, I am wondering if Holmlid’s version of dense
 hydrogen H(0), which I prefer to call DDL, is converted – despite its
 opposite charge. Is it time to muddy the water with degenerate matter?

 *From:* Axil Axil

 The Muon comes from the SPP. In the Holmlid paper, the muons increased
 when the lights in the lab were turned on. In order to minimize muon
 production, the Rydberg matter had to be covered to exclude light.

 The sources give a slowly decaying muon signal for several hours and
 days after being used for producing H(0). They can be triggered to increase
 the muon production by laser irradiation inside the chambers or sometimes
 even by turning on the fluorescent lamps in the laboratory for a short
 time.

 Light is being converted to a form of energy that can produce muons. I
 say that that form of energy conversion is light to magnetic energy
 powerful enough to produce muons.

 In the Rossi reactor, the form of light is infrared. Deal with it.





[Vo]:preview of Russian LENR symposium

2015-08-12 Thread Peter Gluck
I have published this:

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2015/08/subjective-preview-of-22st-russian.html

Have no idea if something interesting will still appear today
Surprises are not predictable this makes them surprises.

Peter

-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com


[Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread Jones Beene
Its acronym time again. LENR is nothing if not full of acronyms. All of this
set of letters seems to work together.

Here is a website from Steve Byrnes - and it is quite well done. Even if you
disagree with the conclusions (and by now, most of us have our own opinions
on the details) it is well-researched, but a little dated - including the
piece on muons:
http://sjbyrnes.com/cf/?p=744

If the Holmlid disclosure about finding muons (heavy electrons) in the
context of ultra-dense hydrogen (also known as DDL or deep Dirac level) and
especially when irradiated by laser is correct, then there is a good
possibility that this will lead to an improved understanding of one
mechanism for LENR gain using plasmons to make heavy electrons (there are
other mechanisms besides SPP).

If Byrnes had realized that there could be a connection between an
incandescent glow-reactor and SPP, and subsequently - between SPP and DDL
and muons, his conclusion might look more cutting edge. But he has the
brilliant insight to suggest a new possibility for muon-catalyzed fusion of
deuterium, starting with a “spectator muon” which is renewed or replaced
sequentially by the reaction itself, to wit:

D+D + muon → helium-4 + muon (instead of gamma)

… where the fist muon can be a cosmic muon which can catalyze a reaction
and then be rejuvenated, renewed or replaced by the same fusion reaction
that it catalyzes.

The muon is a “heavy electron” with a short life, but now we can surmise
that it can have its lifetime greatly extended as part of the catalysis. The
probability for this to occur is larger than zero, but how large? … “Maybe
it’s pretty high” says Byrnes. Can it explain the lack of gamma, as well?
Probably. But now, as we are learning - this rebirth effect will be more
robust with SPP and fractional hydrogen.

There is one further detail which can be added in the glowing ferment: the
enhanced diproton reaction, which is being labeled as RPF or “reversible
proton fusion.” This avenue can explain most actual SPP results better than
one-way fusion. This pathway works cleanly with the muon catalyst, more so
than does Storm’s hydrotron, for instance.

Surface plasmons typically do not occur or participate in electrolytic
fusion (such as the PF reaction) unless a laser is added (Letts/Cravens
effect). SPP production requires semi-coherent photons which are typically
IR or visible in wavelength, and which a laser can supply. A magnetic field
helps.

There is little doubt that the Letts/Cravens effect is a simple
implementation of SPP. However, deuteron fusion using SPP would produce
gammas UNLESS the replacement muon carries away the gamma energy - which is
the real beauty of having the muon modality in the first place. It explains
the lack of gammas elegantly at the same time it explains an extended
lifetime for the heavy electron.

The better scenario for finding a good fit in muon catalysis, assuming that
we can combine Holmlid’s and Byrnes insight - happens with protons instead
of deuterons. This is the reversible diproton reaction, such as occurs on
the sun with astounding frequency. There is little transmutation in the end,
but instead we have a plethora of catalyzed inelastic collisions which do
not proceed to permanent fusion - only soft x-rays. Consequently the
reaction is called “reversible” (due to Pauli).

P+P + muon → Helium-2 → P+P + muon + excess energy

Helium-2 (diproton) has a shorter half-life than the muon. The excess energy
which is seen in RPF would appear as soft x-rays or UV and happen in
nanoseconds. The energy derives either from QCD and Helium-2 mass as it
decays - or from muon mass-energy when that species finally decays, having
being renewed several times. Since the muon “lives” for a few
microseconds, it can catalyzes only few reversible fusion reactions, but if
the reaction itself effectively adds extra microseconds to the muon life (or
alternatively) emits a new muon and we have positive feedback and continuity
of the reaction. It appears to be a chain reaction.

When muons are renewed via QCD in the RPF reaction, some level of incidental
transmutation should be seen - which is consistent with Piantelli’s
reported slight amount of transmutation. But in the end, with RPF there are
few gamma rays (far from commensurate with heat), little transmutation
(incidental levels only), but lots of UV, soft x-rays and most importantly,
muon continuity …

Many pieces of the puzzle could fall together - to the extent that the SPP,
Muon, DDL  RPF interconnection is viable. Is it? Did I miss an acronym?

Jones





RE: [Vo]:Program and Abstracts of the All Russian Symposium

2015-08-12 Thread Chris Zell
Brown’s Resonant Battery would have been a wonderful invention, if it was true. 
 I get the impression that no one ever replicated his results.

From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:52 PM
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Program and Abstracts of the All Russian Symposium

http://www.rexresearch.com/nucell/nucell.htm

The Paul Brown Resonant Nuclear Battery is an ideal EMF harvester design to 
take advantage the magnetic beams produced by the SPPs. The beta decays usually 
used to produce the EMF need not be present since SPPs produce magnetic power 
directly and act as ideal generators of EMF motive force. Anyone who is 
interested in LENR should look into the theory and engineering related to the 
Paul Brown Resonant Nuclear Battery. This technology will still support the Cat 
and Mouse drive concept. Rossi is realty something, How he thinks of these 
things is amazing.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Peter Gluck 
peter.gl...@gmail.commailto:peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Friends,

3 minutes after I have sent you the daily issue of EGO OUT
this was published

http://lenr.seplm.ru/konferentsii/opublikovana-programma-i-tezisy-rkkhtyaishm-22-kotoraya-sostoitsya-v-dagomyse-s-2709-po-04102015


It's the ICCF 19.5 Symposium. YOU CAN READ THE ABSTRACTS IN ENGLISH!
Enjoy!
Peter
--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com



Re: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread torulf.greek


Muons forms from decay of pions. There are different pions and ways
of decays but some without gamma, for example Pi+=U`+ neutrino. 

The
Pions are involved in nuklear reactions as proton neutron exchange.


_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pion_ 

The Muons in Holmlids
measurements may come from Pion decay.  

And the Muons must be an
essential part in the LENR reactions. 

I had Holmlid as lecturer in
physical chemistry and thermodynamics long time ago. 

  

Re: [Vo]:Muons, SPP, DDL RPF

2015-08-12 Thread Axil Axil
The muon or maybe its father the pion is the connection between physics and
chemistry that typifies LENR. If there is a swarm of pions in and around
the nucleus, nuclear reactions are sure to occur. Pions may be more
pernicious then neutrons in terms of nuclear disruption.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 1:17 PM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote:

 Muons  forms from decay of pions. There are different pions and ways of
 decays but some without gamma, for example Pi+=U`+ neutrino.

 The Pions are involved in nuklear reactions as proton neutron exchange.

 *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pion*

 The Muons in Holmlids measurements may come from Pion decay.

 And the Muons must be an essential part in the LENR reactions.



 I had Holmlid as lecturer in physical chemistry and thermodynamics long
 time ago.