Re: [Vo]:Penon described the position of flow meter

[Bob Higgins]

I remember reading the spec for the flow meter that was used.  While it may
have had mechanical digit readings that were that coarse, the flow meter
has an available electronic option that provides a pulse for each turn of
the internal rotor which corresponds to about 1 liter of flow (again
recollection).  It could be an upset/surprise if Penon testifies that he
used electronic monitoring of the flow meter.  Still it does not account
for the uniform and coarse flows reported each day.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> David Roberson  wrote:
>
> Does your diagram show how the floating device in the system tank controls
>> the intake water flowing into it?
>
>
> Nope. I do not know why. Maybe the diagram is too abstract for this. Or it
> is wrong . . . or it shows another version of the setup?
>
>
>
>> Also, does it show that the customer feed tank is located above the
>> system feed tank so that water flowing into the second or system tank
>> literally falls into it?
>
>
> Nope. No such detail. But people tell me that's how it worked.
>
> Of course, even with a gravity return, it would be possible to ensure the
> flow meter works right. But I have heard Rossi did not do this.
>
> Also, you can see from the specs that this is the wrong kind of flow
> meter. It makes no sense to use an instrument the measures only 36 units
> per day. It should measure thousands. In other words, where the flow is
> supposedly 6 gallons per minute, the instrument should measure a fraction
> of a gallon so that it "clicks" over the smallest unit of measurement
> several times a minute, not once every 40 minutes.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Penon described the position of flow meter

[Jed Rothwell]

David Roberson  wrote:

Does your diagram show how the floating device in the system tank controls
> the intake water flowing into it?


Nope. I do not know why. Maybe the diagram is too abstract for this. Or it
is wrong . . . or it shows another version of the setup?



> Also, does it show that the customer feed tank is located above the system
> feed tank so that water flowing into the second or system tank literally
> falls into it?


Nope. No such detail. But people tell me that's how it worked.

Of course, even with a gravity return, it would be possible to ensure the
flow meter works right. But I have heard Rossi did not do this.

Also, you can see from the specs that this is the wrong kind of flow meter.
It makes no sense to use an instrument the measures only 36 units per day.
It should measure thousands. In other words, where the flow is supposedly 6
gallons per minute, the instrument should measure a fraction of a gallon so
that it "clicks" over the smallest unit of measurement several times a
minute, not once every 40 minutes.

- Jed

[Vo]:for LENR three questions and one great report

[Peter Gluck]

http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2017/02/feb-23-2017-lenr-3-questions-1-great.html


peter
-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Working on the SIM gang

[a.ashfield]

The wired article is nonsense.  True that the entertainment industry 
will grow as people have a lot more spare time, but why should it be 
mainly in video games?   I think it more likely that many will start 
very small businesses in order to supplement the government UBI paycheck.


AA

On 2/23/2017 10:20 AM, Jones Beene wrote:


https://www.wired.com/2017/02/clive-thompson-future-of-work-is-gaming/

Interesting article here about the "future of work," presumably more 
relevant in a few decades when robots have all the jobs... but it make 
slightly more sense if you buy into the SIM argument. Well, it makes 
sense if you think about it without the immediate objection of turning 
reality into little more than child's play.


Yet, the SIM argument could be far more than ontological driveling, 
even if it ultimately spirals into a contest on a superficial level, 
and in fact many top thinkers have bought into the premise, especially 
Elon Musk. But even if entirely fictional and hypothetical, the base 
argument is a decent metaphor, in that it posits that all of us, 
including all of physics, are nothing more than a form of intelligent 
testing ...being played out either in "reality" or on a very advanced 
AI network... and/or there could be no difference as one will evolve 
to the other.


Now we add one more datum into the mix ... the identity of the players.

Gamers. But not just gamers of the "shooter" variety, being 
pre-programmed by the Pentagon to kill enemies of the state ... more 
like gaming of the SimCity type (on steroids). This would be a form of 
advance planning ("Dark City"  beings as in Roger Ebert's favorite 
film) where the "Strangers" who rebuild the world nightly are in fact 
gamers on their day job, including recently laid off Physicists 
needing a paycheck.


This is the BIG SIM where discoveries made in the digital world itself 
are immediately usable in the analog world... all of which of course 
assumes that at some level there is a "real world", instead of turtles 
all the way down.


In fact, this methodology (for low cost discovery beyond the limits of 
the known), which is done in the brain of an AI, could be why in one 
particular SIM the LENR game-level is still unsolved and going strong. 
No gamers have yet found out how to get off of this level. But a few 
could be getting close...

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Axil Axil]

FYI :  Y40
the trade name Y40 (Chinese nomenclature) are Ferrite & Ceramic magnets are
comprised of a combination of iron oxide and strontium carbonate. Low cost,
light weight, a relatively high energy product, and good resistance to
demagnetization account for widespread use of Ferrite & Ceramic magnets.
Ferrite & Ceramic magnets (Y40
 ) have a max operating
temperature of 480°F, which makes it a good choice for some high
temperature applications. Common applications include: speaker magnets,
motors, reed switches, and Hall-Effect devices.

https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/diva2:534040/FULLTEXT01.pdf

Review of Magnetic Materials
Along With a Study of the Magnetic
Stability and Solidity of Y40

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Brian Ahern  wrote:

> Excess energy and magnetic cooling seem to poke up every now and then. It
> is difficult for even the most dedicated technologists to connect phonons
> with magnons.
>
>
> I have had some unique experience with this interaction during my tenure
> as a Staff Sientist at USAF Rome Lab in Lexington MA.  I 1988 I was tasked
> to understand the new cuprate superconductors. By shear luck I discovered
> that MIT Professor Keith Johnson had solved the problem five years earlier.
> In fact, his 1983 paper presented in Zurich directed Bednors and Meuller to
> work on the cuprates. Bedorz was the leader of the conference in 1983.
>
>
> He found that the superconduction arises when the Born-Oppenheimer
> conditions are not met. That is, when the valence electron motion is
> coupled to vibrational modes. The electrons are in molecular orbitals and
> magnetism exists under very specific orbital topologies.
>
>
> So magnetism (Specific electron orbitals conditions) and phonons can be
> coupled under specific orbital conditions and one combination is shallow
> well ferromagnetism.  Like the superconductor coupling, specific coupling
> can lead to coherent behavior as well in  a ferromagnetic system.
>
>
> More needs tobe said but there is some new physics at work in the Manelas
> billet.
>
>
> --
> *From:* bobcook39...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* Monday, February 20, 2017 1:56 PM
> *To:* Chris Zell; vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE
>
>
> Chris-
>
>
>
> I have understood that phonons are “virtual” particles that represent a
> localized energy in a crystal lattice made up of kinetic energy and
> potential energy in a resonant stable dynamic state.  It is primarily
> thought to be an electric field that couples the nuclei and electrons in
> the lattice—primarily the valence electrons.  The nuclei oscillate around
> some mid position in the lattice and valence  electrons change their
> orbital spin states reflecting the motion of the nuclei.
>
>
>
> Temperature of the crystal lattice is a measure of the amplitude of the
> nuclei special displacement around their mid position in the lattice.  If
> the crystal constitutes a coherent QM system, then all nuclei vibrate with
> the same amplitude and the crystal is at a single temperature.  If the
> amplitude (temperature) get to high, the crystal electronic bonds fail and
> the order of the crystalline coherent system is lost.
>
>
>
> Magnetic fields change the nature of the potential/kinetic energy
> sharing.  A preferred direction in the crystal is created relative to the
> magnetic B field that exists within the crystalline coherent system.  The
> orbital spin energy states of the valence electrons are modified.  Large B
> fields can cause large changes in these orbital spin states.  If there are
> resonances between a nuclear orbital spin state of the coherent system and
> an electronic orbital spin state, it would seem possible that spin energy
> may be swapped, changing nuclear potential energy into PHONIC  energy of
> the crystalline coherent system.
>
>
>
> A variable B field induced by a variable ambient H magnetic field will
> create a universe of differing spin energy states each with a small
> difference in it angular momentum.  If total angular momentum can be
> conserved, IMHO A TRANSITION WILL OCCUR.
>
>
>
> It may be also possible that the transition is reversible.  In such case a
> reduction of the temperature—lower electron orbital energy—would be the
> result.  (Such a reversal suggests a new concept of temperature, one which
> shares potential and kinetic energy between nuclear entities and electrons.
> )
>
>
>
> Bob Cook
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Chris Zell 
> *Sent: *Monday, February 20, 2017 9:35 AM
> *To: *vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *RE: [Vo]:Regarding what BOB COOK THINKS ABOUT THE NAE
>
>
>
> I do recall Wingate Lambertson  - a scientist/expert on cermet products.
> Odd semi-ceramic things he called “E-dams” that generated 

[Vo]:Fw: [teslafy] Tesla Secondary Effects from 20,000 hz SST Polar Gas Discharges.

[Harvey Norris]

 Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances 
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/

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 wrote:
 

     This is a great day of discovery concerning what kind of plasma discharges 
produce radio waves and what kind do not. A forced discharge as occurs in 
conventional delivery from both ends does not or is limited to what is 
available contrasted to that plasma discharge resembling a flute producing a 
musical note from a one ended vibration. To simulate that one ended vibration 
two xenon and krypton bulbs in series are broken at the midpoint or given glass 
conduction between them from a high freq. 20,000 hz transformer. Unconnected 
neon bulbs below the process show how the conduction of radio waves from the 
open ended bulbs themselves occurs.
Tesla Secondary Effects from 20,000 hz SST Polar Tube Discharges.

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[Vo]:Working on the SIM gang

[Jones Beene]

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/clive-thompson-future-of-work-is-gaming/

Interesting article here about the "future of work," presumably more 
relevant in a few decades when robots have all the jobs... but it make 
slightly more sense if you buy into the SIM argument. Well, it makes 
sense if you think about it without the immediate objection of turning 
reality into little more than child's play.


Yet, the SIM argument could be far more than ontological driveling, even 
if it ultimately spirals into a contest on a superficial level, and in 
fact many top thinkers have bought into the premise, especially Elon 
Musk. But even if entirely fictional and hypothetical, the base argument 
is a decent metaphor, in that it posits that all of us, including all of 
physics, are nothing more than a form of intelligent testing ...being 
played out either in "reality" or on a very advanced AI network... 
and/or there could be no difference as one will evolve to the other.


Now we add one more datum into the mix ... the identity of the players.

Gamers. But not just gamers of the "shooter" variety, being 
pre-programmed by the Pentagon to kill enemies of the state ... more 
like gaming of the SimCity type (on steroids). This would be a form of 
advance planning ("Dark City"  beings as in Roger Ebert's favorite film) 
where the "Strangers" who rebuild the world nightly are in fact gamers 
on their day job, including recently laid off Physicists needing a 
paycheck.


This is the BIG SIM where discoveries made in the digital world itself 
are immediately usable in the analog world... all of which of course 
assumes that at some level there is a "real world", instead of turtles 
all the way down.


In fact, this methodology (for low cost discovery beyond the limits of 
the known), which is done in the brain of an AI,  could be why in one 
particular SIM the LENR game-level is still unsolved and going strong. 
No gamers have yet found out how to get off of this level. But a few 
could be getting close...

Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

[Brian Ahern]

See bellow


If you have the time, this video explains how the cooling occurs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPd9vYvJoH0=1s
[https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uPd9vYvJoH0/hqdefault.jpg]

magnetic cooling
www.youtube.com
Notes, playlist: 
http://thephysicsnotes.com/U-Level-Physics-Videos/statistical-physics/Boltzmann%20distribution.html




With the additional info provided by Brian Ahern upthread, my best guess now is 
that magnetic flux produces electron movement. These changes in the magnetic 
field produced by the magnetic billet are induced by the magnetic flux change 
produced when the input current flows through the input coil.

What I would like to know is what coils of the three coils are the input and 
output coils. We do not know.

The random motion of the magnetic domains in the crystal structure of the 
billet due to both the uncertainty principle and thermal movement of magnetic 
domains might be where excess magnetic flux is coming from. This input magnetic 
flux might induce that "magnetic noise" to increase.

Just by flipping a few spins on the outside edge of the billet using the weak 
input magnetic flux might produce and avalanche of spin movement throughout the 
billet in many surrounding spins throughout the billet. I think you are making 
sense ,especially the cascading at a resonant frequency.

The key to producing more output than input is to adjust the input to the 
minimum amount necessary to produce an increase in magnetic noise from the 
billet.

How the three coils are layered: first applied, then second, then finally third 
would be nice to know.

My guess is the the coil applied to the edge would be the input coil. The 
output coils are the length and width coils. The output coils would be full 
wave rectified.

If magnetic amplification is coming from spin flipping, then using separate 
magnets might not work since the spin flipping would encounter discontinuity 
going from one magnet to another. The avalanche would stop at the edge of each 
individual magnet.

Here is a image of how a slight disturbance in a spin wave can produce lots of 
magnetic flux.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St4ykzFYJts
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.V932b5513956c2f7d7df8ffec946d68d9=Api]

Spin Wave Animation
www.youtube.com
This animation shows spin waves propagating through an antiferromagnetic 
material, in which neighboring atoms (balls) have opposite spins (arrows). When 
a photon, or ...




On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 4:22 PM, David Roberson 
> wrote:
Brian,

That is the most interesting characteristic to me as well.  It seems logical 
that if the outside surface is cooler than the ambient that heat energy must be 
entering the Billet.  Where this energy goes is the main question I would like 
to see answered.  Of course we realize that energy is also entering the Billet 
and surrounding components from the external battery via the drive pulses.

Apparently, you are an eye witness to the observation that an electric light is 
illuminated and the battery is receiving charge for an extended period of time. 
 This observation implies that energy is coming from some source while the 
device is in operation.  The obvious first guess is that heat energy is 
extracted from the ambient region and converted into electrical energy.

We should not be willing to give up on the thermodynamic laws too readily 
however.  Keeping that thought, one might believe that a magnetic form of heat 
pump is taking place, except it is not clear where the pumped heat is being 
exhausted, while there appears to be electrical energy generated.  Magnetic 
refrigeration has been around for a while and it is actually a form of heat 
pumping.  And, magnetic refrigeration obeys the thermodynamic laws.

So Brian, did you notice any portion of the Billet and surrounding materials 
becoming warmer than the ambient?  If not, you have a really interesting 
phenomena to pursue.

Dave



-Original Message-
From: Brian Ahern >
To: vortex-l >
Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2017 3:09 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

The magnetocaloric cooling keeps my interest high.



From: Chris Zell >
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:39 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:DESCRIBING THE MANELAS Phenomenon

I swear to God if I ever stumble into anything overunity, I’m gonna rectify the 
bejeezus out of it.  Pure DC in and pure DC out, none of this apparent power 
crap.
Magnetic amps bring up Bearden’s MEG – which I don’t think ever worked. I 
suspect its output was apparent and not real, as above.