Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Kevin O'Malley]

The issue is:What have you been doing with that gamma ray thing.  All the
rest fits into what I called "whatever it is".

On Tuesday, July 11, 2017, AlanG  wrote:

> On 7/11/2017 10:24 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:
>
> The gamma ray finding of MFMP was replicated within 48 hours by Hans
> Biberian.   And then they just faded away onto whatever it is they've
> been doing for 4 years.
>
> Kevin, your comment suggests that you haven't been paying attention or
> even bothering to search. Just this year, we performed four serious
> experiments as a group and individually, including an in-depth detailed
> field test of the me356 reactor. Our goal is the practice of Live Open
> Science, and nothing is hidden, no matter what we find.
>
> My current research in Ni-Ag (Live Doc - watch for updates)  can be seen
> at https://goo.gl/rTDz87
>
> Below is a partial list of links to our previous work over the past five
> years, in roughly chronological order.
>
> *AlanG / MFMP*
>
> Dogbone->Glowstick genesis
> &
> Glowstick Sealing Evernote (AG)  https://drive.google.com/file/d/
> 0Bz7lTfqkED9WYUhFZDJhNjRVTm8/view
>
> Ni Etching Evernote
> http://www.evernote.com/l/AXeIG29QrzhC3KVjl9Qf9aJsigzQ671dDG0/
>
> Dogbone Evernote (Ryan Hunt) https://www.evernote.com/pub/
> marpooties/projectdogbone#st=p=ca649d5c-7e11-47e8-9299-a0483fb38972
>
> Higgins_Dogbone_drawingshttps://drive.google.com/
> drive/folders/0B0yO8n6-0MjNakxTNW9xbHBFaEU
>
> Higgins Spec7 (GS5.2)  Analysishttp://goo.gl/DOiXYe
>
> QuantumHeat Dogbone bloghttp://www.quantumheat.org/
> index.php/en/experiements/active-experiments/pdb
>
> Dogbone Live Dochttps://docs.google.com/
> document/d/1F12E3BEtjr8PTm7-t-uWDF0OSNrdO9biuD5GJWoHWhE/
> or
> goo.gl/JzCLRg
>
> Dogbone Analysis - Excess Heat calc.http://goo.gl/0rP40x   (Higgins)
>
> Dogbone Analysis paper (Higgins)https://drive.google.com/file/d/
> 0B5Pc25a4cOM2TWU5Vk80VkxwYVU/view
>
> Core Heater notes (w/coil shadow)https://www.evernote.com/pub/
> alang152/dogbonecoreheater#st=p=313ebf33-5c4b-49e5-94a6-05f983b2eed6
> or
> goo.gl/4YLDgM
>
> GS2 data archivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/
> 0BxxJkjesxe4kfktqTHMxQ0Vxb3M0N0tVZDVPNHQtWGhOeXN4SUJ3TUdmYlhsTkE3eFoxUFk
> or
> goo.gl/db2Ogl
>
> GS3 data archivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/
> 0BxxJkjesxe4kfm9pVEhvU3RKNzR6ZEcxUktYYThPRXBHZHBPOFBCV1RiMzdmbU45RW13cm8
> or
> goo.gl/MyX0Jh
>
> GS4 data archivehttps://drive.google.com/drive/folders/
> 0BxxJkjesxe4kfnczTEJoV1RnQnphNTFQVUhUc29LQTlqOGxpamVfbDBxT3gwa01OdUI4Z28
> or
> goo.gl/o4z9bE
>
> GS5.2 Live Dochttp://www.quantumheat.org/
> index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/515-glowstick-5-2
> or
> http://goo.gl/z5aoBY
>
> GS5.3 data archivehttps://drive.google.com/open?id=
> 0BxxJkjesxe4kSzg4YXVwNHNpTEk
> or
> goo.gl/QUhKJb
>
> GS5.3 TN7200 spectra on CloudDrive http://gofile.me/2yOri/eFGRuYs82
> missing 17Jan2017
>
> GS5.3 Calibration Video on CloudDrivehttp://gofile.me/2yOri/8yXLpcGSf
>
> GS5.4 live dochttps://goo.gl/2jqpjm
>
> GS5.4 data archivehttps://goo.gl/W1i0pY
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

Fusion events, and other nuclear exchanges.

On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
>> and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
>> Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
>> it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
>> Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.
>>
>> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> > Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction
>> energy
>> > is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in
>> > place
>> > on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
>> >> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
>> >> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
>> >> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>> >>
>> >> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> >> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For
>> >> > example,
>> >> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested
>> >> > it
>> >> > in
>> >> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction
>> >> > is
>> >> based
>> >> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of
>> >> > mica.
>> >> This
>> >> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
>> >> > effective
>> >> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
>> >> SmCo5
>> >> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
>> >> >
>> >> > See
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
>> >> >
>> >> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion
>> >> > magnetic
>> >> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton
>> >> > droplets
>> >> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular
>> magnetic
>> >> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
>> >> >
>> >> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase
>> >> > LENR
>> >> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
>> >> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma
>> type
>> >> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type
>> and
>> >> has
>> >> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
>> >> > noncompetitive.
>> >> >
>> >> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
>> >> > temperature structural materials. This requires specialized
>> >> > expertise
>> >> > in
>> >> > material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of
>> this
>> >> > material under extreme stress over time.
>> >> >
>> >> > The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
>> >> > nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor.
>> >> > Polaritons
>> >> > naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of
>> infrared
>> >> > photons into powerful magnetic fields.
>> >> >
>> >> > By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the plasma phase
>> >> > LENR
>> >> > reaction. Like Rossi, R. Mills has stumbled on this reaction type
>> >> > and
>> >> > is
>> >> > attempting to bring it to market.
>> >> >
>> >> > I am saying that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like
>> >> > a
>> >> nail.
>> >> > If Mills encounters unexplained plasma based high energy reaction,
>> >> > it
>> >> > is
>> >> > human nature to reform and modify your existing thinking to
>> incorporate
>> >> > that reaction into those existing theories. Mills would naturally
>> >> > resist
>> >> > rejecting all his ideas formed over a lifetime and that are central
>> >> > to
>> >> the
>> >> > survival of his company whether they are valid or not to impartially
>> >> > include a these new experimental results.
>> >> >
>> >> > On top of that, it is in the commercial interest of Mill’s company
>> >> > to
>> >> avoid
>> >> > any nuclear based theory that would restrict his ability to patent
>> >> > his
>> >> > experimental results or taint his work with the onus associated with
>> >> LENR.
>> >> >
>> >> > To top things off, sooner or later, someone will test the plasma
>> >> > type
>> >> LENR
>> >> > reaction for muon generation, and when the government finds out that
>> >> muons
>> >> > are being produced in massive amounts, then the government will take
>> >> > over
>> >> > the LENR tech and produce a muon activated thorium based large scale
>> >> > centralized grid connected gigawatt level fission power station.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Jul 11, 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

Gamma's were also seen at reaction shutdown. What produces those gammas?

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 9:35 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
> and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
> Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
> it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
> Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.
>
> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> > Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction
> energy
> > is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> > on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
> >> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
> >> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
> >> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
> >>
> >> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> >> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
> >> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it
> >> > in
> >> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
> >> based
> >> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
> >> This
> >> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
> >> > effective
> >> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
> >> SmCo5
> >> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
> >> >
> >> > See
> >> >
> >> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
> >> >
> >> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion
> >> > magnetic
> >> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
> >> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular
> magnetic
> >> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
> >> >
> >> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
> >> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
> >> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma
> type
> >> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type
> and
> >> has
> >> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
> >> > noncompetitive.
> >> >
> >> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
> >> > temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise
> >> > in
> >> > material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of
> this
> >> > material under extreme stress over time.
> >> >
> >> > The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
> >> > nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor. Polaritons
> >> > naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of
> infrared
> >> > photons into powerful magnetic fields.
> >> >
> >> > By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the plasma phase LENR
> >> > reaction. Like Rossi, R. Mills has stumbled on this reaction type and
> >> > is
> >> > attempting to bring it to market.
> >> >
> >> > I am saying that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a
> >> nail.
> >> > If Mills encounters unexplained plasma based high energy reaction, it
> >> > is
> >> > human nature to reform and modify your existing thinking to
> incorporate
> >> > that reaction into those existing theories. Mills would naturally
> >> > resist
> >> > rejecting all his ideas formed over a lifetime and that are central to
> >> the
> >> > survival of his company whether they are valid or not to impartially
> >> > include a these new experimental results.
> >> >
> >> > On top of that, it is in the commercial interest of Mill’s company to
> >> avoid
> >> > any nuclear based theory that would restrict his ability to patent his
> >> > experimental results or taint his work with the onus associated with
> >> LENR.
> >> >
> >> > To top things off, sooner or later, someone will test the plasma type
> >> LENR
> >> > reaction for muon generation, and when the government finds out that
> >> muons
> >> > are being produced in massive amounts, then the government will take
> >> > over
> >> > the LENR tech and produce a muon activated thorium based large scale
> >> > centralized grid connected gigawatt level fission power station.
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM, H LV  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> If that is true then Rossi either lacks the ability to interpret his
> >> >> own
> >> >> data or he intentionally misrepresented his data.
> >> >>
> >> >> Harry
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Malley  >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

I believe gammas are generated and then absorbed into the BEC, sliced
and diced into X rays.   That is, the vast majority of the gammas.
Some poke their heads through, especially in the initial phase where
it's an endothermic reaction starting the whole thing.   That's why
Celani saw Gammas at Rossi's demo, but only at the outset.

On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction energy
> is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
> on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
>> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
>> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
>> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>>
>> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
>> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
>> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it
>> > in
>> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
>> based
>> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
>> This
>> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be
>> > effective
>> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
>> SmCo5
>> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
>> >
>> > See
>> >
>> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
>> >
>> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion
>> > magnetic
>> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
>> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic
>> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
>> >
>> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
>> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
>> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma type
>> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type and
>> has
>> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
>> > noncompetitive.
>> >
>> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
>> > temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise
>> > in
>> > material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of this
>> > material under extreme stress over time.
>> >
>> > The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
>> > nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor. Polaritons
>> > naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of infrared
>> > photons into powerful magnetic fields.
>> >
>> > By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the plasma phase LENR
>> > reaction. Like Rossi, R. Mills has stumbled on this reaction type and
>> > is
>> > attempting to bring it to market.
>> >
>> > I am saying that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a
>> nail.
>> > If Mills encounters unexplained plasma based high energy reaction, it
>> > is
>> > human nature to reform and modify your existing thinking to incorporate
>> > that reaction into those existing theories. Mills would naturally
>> > resist
>> > rejecting all his ideas formed over a lifetime and that are central to
>> the
>> > survival of his company whether they are valid or not to impartially
>> > include a these new experimental results.
>> >
>> > On top of that, it is in the commercial interest of Mill’s company to
>> avoid
>> > any nuclear based theory that would restrict his ability to patent his
>> > experimental results or taint his work with the onus associated with
>> LENR.
>> >
>> > To top things off, sooner or later, someone will test the plasma type
>> LENR
>> > reaction for muon generation, and when the government finds out that
>> muons
>> > are being produced in massive amounts, then the government will take
>> > over
>> > the LENR tech and produce a muon activated thorium based large scale
>> > centralized grid connected gigawatt level fission power station.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM, H LV  wrote:
>> >
>> >> If that is true then Rossi either lacks the ability to interpret his
>> >> own
>> >> data or he intentionally misrepresented his data.
>> >>
>> >> Harry
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> You're probably right.   But there is evidence he had a COP > 1 for
>> >>> some length of time according to the report by the person chosen by
>> >>> both sides to administer the test.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 7/10/17, H LV  wrote:
>> >>> > Rossi was suing IH for millions of dollars, so he had to prove the
>> >>> device
>> >>> > in Florida worked as he 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[ROGER ANDERTON]

5 Jul at 5:50 PM  said :   So much drama fornothing...

does that count as sneering?

 

On Wednesday, 12 July 2017, 0:35, Jed Rothwell  
wrote:
 

 Che  wrote: 

Who sneered? Who are "they"?
- Jed


What? You calling me a liar?

Okay, have it your way: you're a liar. Now tell us who sneered.
 
Go read the thread.

I don't see it.
- Jed


   

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Jed Rothwell]

Che  wrote:


> Who sneered? Who are "they"?
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>
> What? You calling me a liar?
>

Okay, have it your way: you're a liar. Now tell us who sneered.



> Go read the thread.
>

I don't see it.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Che  wrote:
>
>
>>
> Not so - no one here that I am aware of - sneers at MFMP. Or if they do -
>>> they are misguided.
>>>
>>
>> Well they have. Right here. Recently.
>>
>
> Who sneered? Who are "they"?
>
> - Jed
>
>
What? You calling me a liar? Go read the thread.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

Gamma rays are not generated in LENR reactions because the reaction energy
is completely drained by the entanglement of the SPP BEC that is in place
on the nanoparticles that produce the LENR reaction.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
> reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
> those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
> reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.
>
> On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> > I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
> > Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it in
> > the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is
> based
> > on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica.
> This
> > reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be effective
> > in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a
> SmCo5
> > magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
> >
> > See
> >
> > https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
> >
> > This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion magnetic
> > textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
> > driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic
> > anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
> >
> > During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
> > reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
> > reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma type
> > LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type and
> has
> > in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
> > noncompetitive.
> >
> > The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
> > temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise in
> > material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of this
> > material under extreme stress over time.
> >
> > The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
> > nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor. Polaritons
> > naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of infrared
> > photons into powerful magnetic fields.
> >
> > By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the plasma phase LENR
> > reaction. Like Rossi, R. Mills has stumbled on this reaction type and is
> > attempting to bring it to market.
> >
> > I am saying that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a
> nail.
> > If Mills encounters unexplained plasma based high energy reaction, it is
> > human nature to reform and modify your existing thinking to incorporate
> > that reaction into those existing theories. Mills would naturally resist
> > rejecting all his ideas formed over a lifetime and that are central to
> the
> > survival of his company whether they are valid or not to impartially
> > include a these new experimental results.
> >
> > On top of that, it is in the commercial interest of Mill’s company to
> avoid
> > any nuclear based theory that would restrict his ability to patent his
> > experimental results or taint his work with the onus associated with
> LENR.
> >
> > To top things off, sooner or later, someone will test the plasma type
> LENR
> > reaction for muon generation, and when the government finds out that
> muons
> > are being produced in massive amounts, then the government will take over
> > the LENR tech and produce a muon activated thorium based large scale
> > centralized grid connected gigawatt level fission power station.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM, H LV  wrote:
> >
> >> If that is true then Rossi either lacks the ability to interpret his own
> >> data or he intentionally misrepresented his data.
> >>
> >> Harry
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> You're probably right.   But there is evidence he had a COP > 1 for
> >>> some length of time according to the report by the person chosen by
> >>> both sides to administer the test.
> >>>
> >>> On 7/10/17, H LV  wrote:
> >>> > Rossi was suing IH for millions of dollars, so he had to prove the
> >>> device
> >>> > in Florida worked as he claimed. If the trial proceeded I think it is
> >>> very
> >>> > likely that the preponderance of the evidence would not support his
> >>> claim.
> >>> >
> >>> > Harry
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell <
> jedrothw...@gmail.com>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> On 7/9/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> >>> >>> OJ Simpson...
> >>> >>> > Obviously he was guilty.
> >>> >>> ***Then obviously Rossi is Not Guilty of 

Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[AlanG]

On 7/11/2017 10:24 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote:

The gamma ray finding of MFMP was replicated within 48 hours by Hans
Biberian.   And then they just faded away onto whatever it is they've
been doing for 4 years.
Kevin, your comment suggests that you haven't been paying attention or 
even bothering to search. Just this year, we performed four serious 
experiments as a group and individually, including an in-depth detailed 
field test of the me356 reactor. Our goal is the practice of Live Open 
Science, and nothing is hidden, no matter what we find.


My current research in Ni-Ag (Live Doc - watch for updates)  can be seen 
at https://goo.gl/rTDz87


Below is a partial list of links to our previous work over the past five 
years, in roughly chronological order.

*
**AlanG / MFMP*

Dogbone->Glowstick genesis
&
Glowstick Sealing Evernote (AG) 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz7lTfqkED9WYUhFZDJhNjRVTm8/view


Ni Etching Evernote
http://www.evernote.com/l/AXeIG29QrzhC3KVjl9Qf9aJsigzQ671dDG0/

Dogbone Evernote (Ryan Hunt) 
https://www.evernote.com/pub/marpooties/projectdogbone#st=p=ca649d5c-7e11-47e8-9299-a0483fb38972


Higgins_Dogbone_drawings 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0yO8n6-0MjNakxTNW9xbHBFaEU


Higgins Spec7 (GS5.2)  Analysishttp://goo.gl/DOiXYe

QuantumHeat Dogbone blog 
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/experiements/active-experiments/pdb


Dogbone Live Doc 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1F12E3BEtjr8PTm7-t-uWDF0OSNrdO9biuD5GJWoHWhE/

or
goo.gl/JzCLRg

Dogbone Analysis - Excess Heat calc.http://goo.gl/0rP40x (Higgins)

Dogbone Analysis paper (Higgins) 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2TWU5Vk80VkxwYVU/view


Core Heater notes (w/coil shadow) 
https://www.evernote.com/pub/alang152/dogbonecoreheater#st=p=313ebf33-5c4b-49e5-94a6-05f983b2eed6

or
goo.gl/4YLDgM

GS2 data archive 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfktqTHMxQ0Vxb3M0N0tVZDVPNHQtWGhOeXN4SUJ3TUdmYlhsTkE3eFoxUFk

or
goo.gl/db2Ogl

GS3 data archive 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfm9pVEhvU3RKNzR6ZEcxUktYYThPRXBHZHBPOFBCV1RiMzdmbU45RW13cm8

or
goo.gl/MyX0Jh

GS4 data archive 
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0BxxJkjesxe4kfnczTEJoV1RnQnphNTFQVUhUc29LQTlqOGxpamVfbDBxT3gwa01OdUI4Z28

or
goo.gl/o4z9bE

GS5.2 Live Doc 
http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/en/home/mfmp-blog/515-glowstick-5-2

or
http://goo.gl/z5aoBY

GS5.3 data archive 
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxxJkjesxe4kSzg4YXVwNHNpTEk

or
goo.gl/QUhKJb

GS5.3 TN7200 spectra on CloudDrive http://gofile.me/2yOri/eFGRuYs82
missing 17Jan2017


GS5.3 Calibration Video on CloudDrive http://gofile.me/2yOri/8yXLpcGSf

GS5.4 live dochttps://goo.gl/2jqpjm

GS5.4 data archivehttps://goo.gl/W1i0pY

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

I have thought for a long time that there have been multiple LENR
reactions.   When you let loose a gamma inside a lattice and it hits
those other nickel (or palladium) atoms, it generates fission
reactions.   The ash analysis results have been all over the board.

On 7/11/17, Axil Axil  wrote:
> I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
> Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it in
> the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is based
> on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica. This
> reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be effective
> in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a SmCo5
> magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.
>
> See
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184
>
> This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion magnetic
> textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
> driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic
> anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction
>
> During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
> reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
> reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma type
> LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type and has
> in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
> noncompetitive.
>
> The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
> temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise in
> material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of this
> material under extreme stress over time.
>
> The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
> nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor. Polaritons
> naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of infrared
> photons into powerful magnetic fields.
>
> By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the plasma phase LENR
> reaction. Like Rossi, R. Mills has stumbled on this reaction type and is
> attempting to bring it to market.
>
> I am saying that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
> If Mills encounters unexplained plasma based high energy reaction, it is
> human nature to reform and modify your existing thinking to incorporate
> that reaction into those existing theories. Mills would naturally resist
> rejecting all his ideas formed over a lifetime and that are central to the
> survival of his company whether they are valid or not to impartially
> include a these new experimental results.
>
> On top of that, it is in the commercial interest of Mill’s company to avoid
> any nuclear based theory that would restrict his ability to patent his
> experimental results or taint his work with the onus associated with LENR.
>
> To top things off, sooner or later, someone will test the plasma type LENR
> reaction for muon generation, and when the government finds out that muons
> are being produced in massive amounts, then the government will take over
> the LENR tech and produce a muon activated thorium based large scale
> centralized grid connected gigawatt level fission power station.
>
> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM, H LV  wrote:
>
>> If that is true then Rossi either lacks the ability to interpret his own
>> data or he intentionally misrepresented his data.
>>
>> Harry
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You're probably right.   But there is evidence he had a COP > 1 for
>>> some length of time according to the report by the person chosen by
>>> both sides to administer the test.
>>>
>>> On 7/10/17, H LV  wrote:
>>> > Rossi was suing IH for millions of dollars, so he had to prove the
>>> device
>>> > in Florida worked as he claimed. If the trial proceeded I think it is
>>> very
>>> > likely that the preponderance of the evidence would not support his
>>> claim.
>>> >
>>> > Harry
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 7/9/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>>> >>> OJ Simpson...
>>> >>> > Obviously he was guilty.
>>> >>> ***Then obviously Rossi is Not Guilty of Fraud.   You just agreed
>>> >>> with
>>> >>> the legal standard.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> I cannot judge legal standards. By scientific standards and by common
>>> >> sense standards he is guilty of fraud.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> > All I did was read the Penon report. That's all it takes.
>>> >>> ***Bullshit.  Plenty of others have read the report and came to
>>> >>> different conclusions than you did.
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >> Not as far as I know. Some people such as Axil refuse to read the

[Vo]:Question about Muon catalysed fusion

[Remi Cornwall]

Dear Vo,

Sorry if this is off topic but I have a question about Muon catalysed
fusion.

If I understand correctly, basically two factors come into play a) Muon
decay and b) Muon capture by alpha particles from the fusion process. So I
thought this:-

A) A neutron on its own decays after about 15 minutes 1/2 life to a proton
and an electron (and electron neutrino and perhaps gamma). In the nucleus it
doesn't decay by the Pauli exclusion principle, which stops it dropping into
a non-empty proton state (it's surrounded by protons). So, might it be
possible to stop a muon decaying in a lattice somewhat because there is a
free electron gas?

B) If the lattice is then either warm enough or bombarded with UV, magnetic
field (Hall effect) might this stop the muon capture?

My two cents. Who can expand on this?

Regards,
Remi.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

The gamma ray finding of MFMP was replicated within 48 hours by Hans
Biberian.   And then they just faded away onto whatever it is they've
been doing for 4 years.


On 7/10/17, Che  wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>>
>> I think the key is to just find nuclear products when you throw hydrogen
> and nickel together.   There is no chemical reaction that is supposed to
> lead to nuclear products.   3 years ago, MFMP found gamma rays and then
> just blithely started chasing ghosts.
>
> To keep such a risky public research project on-course would require that
> it constantly allow for the democratic, 'Open Source' equivalent of 'peer
> review'.
>
> I seems perhaps this component is what the MFMP is missing. Perhaps not. I
> barely follow this stuff, sadly.
> But I DO know political-economy more than most.
>
> More than Jed, for sure.
>

Re: [Vo]:2nd Law proved not valid, ignored by West

[Jones Beene]

of interest

https://arxiv.org/abs/1701.08455


mix...@bigpond.com wrote:

What they have constructed is essentially a magnetic "diode" between the 
plates, which allows current flow in one direction only.


https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0311104

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

You sound like someone who doesn't want to see LENR succeed.   Seems
about the right position, for a communist.

On 7/11/17, Che  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>>
>> Mary Yugo said he was contacted by investors looking to verify Rossi.
> He told them what to test for, and Rossi never had anything to do with
> them.   The only way Rossi is going to find an investor now is to have the
> darned thing tested with true independence, like an investor bringing you
> along.   So this is a healthy thing.
>
>
>
> A significant portion of Humanity has other ideas about the health value of
> letting capitalist 'investors' run amok across the surface of the Planet --
> 'legally' or otherwise. Anyone seeing the involvement of vulture
> capitalists in heterodox fyzix research as being a 'healthy thing' -- given
> the wretched history of it all -- really should go see a doctor.
>
> Better to end up on Patreon, or somesuch.
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

That's the whole point of having an independent 3rd party.
Apparently Rossi has the ability to change reality perception when
he's around, similar to Steve Jobs.

On 7/11/17, H LV  wrote:
> If that is true then Rossi either lacks the ability to interpret his own
> data or he intentionally misrepresented his data.
>
> Harry
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> You're probably right.   But there is evidence he had a COP > 1 for
>> some length of time according to the report by the person chosen by
>> both sides to administer the test.
>>
>> On 7/10/17, H LV  wrote:
>> > Rossi was suing IH for millions of dollars, so he had to prove the
>> > device
>> > in Florida worked as he claimed. If the trial proceeded I think it is
>> very
>> > likely that the preponderance of the evidence would not support his
>> claim.
>> >
>> > Harry
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 7/9/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>> >>> OJ Simpson...
>> >>> > Obviously he was guilty.
>> >>> ***Then obviously Rossi is Not Guilty of Fraud.   You just agreed
>> >>> with
>> >>> the legal standard.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I cannot judge legal standards. By scientific standards and by common
>> >> sense standards he is guilty of fraud.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> > All I did was read the Penon report. That's all it takes.
>> >>> ***Bullshit.  Plenty of others have read the report and came to
>> >>> different conclusions than you did.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Not as far as I know. Some people such as Axil refuse to read the
>> report.
>> >> Others people claim they read it and reached different conclusions,
>> >> but
>> >> they have not given any reasons. A few are so gullible they believe
>> >> the
>> >> post hoc lies about invisible heat exchangers that do not show in
>> >> photographs. Such "conclusions" are so irrational they have no place
>> >> in
>> a
>> >> serious discussion.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>  At least his next intended victims
>> >>> > have the court docket to warn them off.
>> >>> ***Well if you were to write a point by point delineation of all the
>> >>> scientific claims that are fraud then his next "intended victims"
>> >>> would have that.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I have no idea what his next scheme will be. Perhaps it will be the
>> >> QuarkX? Rossi told Lewan in the interview that he is setting up in
>> Sweden
>> >> where people want to invest. I suppose that means he has begun a new
>> >> scam,
>> >> but maybe he made that up and there are no investors.
>> >>
>> >> - Jed
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

That would be just like him.

On 7/11/17, Jones Beene  wrote:
>
> Wait a minute. There is still Randell Mills to deal with, and he says he
> can not only heat up a cup of coffee but evaporate it in a burst of
> hydrinos in seconds. He has better credentials than any of us, and he
> has followers who are more loyal than Rossi's.
>
> Prediction: Very soon, Mills will acknowledge that his new device is
> producing radioactivity, BUT he will claim that actually he expected
> this outcome all along; and LENR is his from the start.
>
> He could be right. Bring it on, Randy... 
>
>
> Brian Ahern wrote:
>
>  > I agree with Frank's assessment.
>
>  > From: Frank Znidarsic ...  That's where this has all come to. No
> device was developed to heat a cup of coffee, as Mallove was requested
> to produce.  27 years later there is no cup of warm coffee.  I worked on
> this technology hard for some time.  I felt it was coming.  I am now
> embarrassed by my optimistic comments.
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Harry—

You may be right.  The trial results promised to be a lose-lose situation for 
all concerned: settlement a win-win situation for all concerned.

It does suggest that Woodford Investments and Darden, etal., have a common 
strategy regarding venture capital expenditures—protect existing investments in 
alternate energy source investments and fossil fuel based  energy.

Sifferkoll’s blog has addressed this issue in the past.

Bob Cook










From: H LV
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 8:50 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

Rossi was suing IH for millions of dollars, so he had to prove the device in 
Florida worked as he claimed. If the trial proceeded I think it is very likely 
that the preponderance of the evidence would not support his claim.

Harry

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
Kevin O'Malley > wrote:

On 7/9/17, Jed Rothwell > 
wrote:
OJ Simpson...
> Obviously he was guilty.
***Then obviously Rossi is Not Guilty of Fraud.   You just agreed with
the legal standard.

I cannot judge legal standards. By scientific standards and by common sense 
standards he is guilty of fraud.


> All I did was read the Penon report. That's all it takes.
***Bullshit.  Plenty of others have read the report and came to
different conclusions than you did.

Not as far as I know. Some people such as Axil refuse to read the report. 
Others people claim they read it and reached different conclusions, but they 
have not given any reasons. A few are so gullible they believe the post hoc 
lies about invisible heat exchangers that do not show in photographs. Such 
"conclusions" are so irrational they have no place in a serious discussion.


 At least his next intended victims
> have the court docket to warn them off.
***Well if you were to write a point by point delineation of all the
scientific claims that are fraud then his next "intended victims"
would have that.

I have no idea what his next scheme will be. Perhaps it will be the QuarkX? 
Rossi told Lewan in the interview that he is setting up in Sweden where people 
want to invest. I suppose that means he has begun a new scam, but maybe he made 
that up and there are no investors.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

Russ:

No one asked you to join this discussion.   You don't like it, just
ignore it.   Huge duhh factor.

On 7/11/17, Russ George  wrote:
> Doesn’t someone here have a toilet plunger to help the damned vortex flush
> out all the turds that are stuck here. This endless trollification by the
> unflushable malcontents that did not get their free feed in the trial are
> festering into a terrible stench. Give it a f*ckng break or at least go see
> your doctors and get some new meds, there are remarkably good meds for
> senile agitation these days.
>
>
>
> From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:03 PM
> To: Vortex
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled
>
>
>
> Kevin O'Malley  > wrote:
>
>
>
> The report was credible enough for IH not to move forward on their case.
>
>
>
> Unless you took part in the lawyers' negotiations, you do not know that is
> the reason. It might be because they determined Rossi has no more money.
> There is no point to suing someone who cannot pay. Here is another possible
> reason. Lawyers tell me that it was mainly a contract dispute, and I.H.'s
> counter-suit regarding the contract was weak.
>
>
>
> I myself have no idea why they settled. However, I am sure the Penon report
> is not "credible" in this universe according to our laws of physics. It was
> a gross violation of thermodynamics, as Smith pointed out. Also because
> Florida is not located in a vacuum in outer space. I am pretty sure of
> that.
>
>
>
> Perhaps the people at I.H. worried that a jury might be as gullible as you
> are, and the jury might think the Florida could be in a vacuum, because what
> do those scientists know, anyway? They are a bunch of elitist know-it-alls
> with their "laws" of "physics." They are so sure of themselves, they think
> that when you take photo of a 15,000 pound machine with pipes running to the
> ceiling, the image has to show up in the camera! Why can't it be
> invisible??? Huh? You tell me! And it was equipped with an anti-gravity
> machine which is why the mezzanine didn't collapse. You didn't think of
> THAT, did you, Mr. Elite Scientist.
>
>
>
> - Jed
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:2nd Law proved not valid, ignored by West

[mixent]

In reply to  Jones Beene's message of Mon, 10 Jul 2017 21:06:38 -0700:
Hi,

What they have constructed is essentially a magnetic "diode" between the plates,
which allows current flow in one direction only. We have discussed the use of
diodes on this forum before.

>In the disclosed Maxwell's demon type of experiment from 2012, heat from 
>ambient air was converted completely into electric energy, using a 
>static magnetic field without producing any other effect.
>
>The phenomenon proves clearly that the second law of thermodynamics is 
>not universally valid, even though the output was tiny.
>
>"Realization of Maxwell’s Hypothesis" A heat-electric conversion in 
>contradiction to Kelvin’s statement  by  Xinyong Fu, Zitao Fu Shanghai 
>Jiao Tong University
>
>https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0311104
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Jed Rothwell]

Che  wrote:


>
Not so - no one here that I am aware of - sneers at MFMP. Or if they do -
>> they are misguided.
>>
>
> Well they have. Right here. Recently.
>

Who sneered? Who are "they"?

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:2nd Law proved not valid, ignored by West

[Jones Beene]

Dave, Of course, we have known about "dark current" and photocathodes 
for almost 100 years, and also thermionic emissions are not new - but 
here is the novelty. Fu set up magnets so that the field lines were 
arranged to steer electrons in a way like MHD ... so that resulting 
polarity separated making current available "for free". No added heat is 
required, resulting is usable electric power from ambient. Not much 
power is seen, but OTOH there was zero added heat.


Has that been done before? Is this scale-able to higher levels?

 David Roberson wrote:

Looks likethis experiment demonstrates a process which converts heat 
energy into electrical energy.  This has already been observed when 
thermal radiation is emitted by a warm body.  Also, electrical energy 
can be captured from a resistor surrounded by a heat sink.


I am not sure why the report you refer to claims to be a first.

Dave



-Original Message-t

In the disclosed Maxwell's demon type of experiment from 2012, heat from
ambient air was converted completely into electric energy, using a
static magnetic field without producing any other effect.

The phenomenon proves clearly that the second law of thermodynamics is
not universally valid, even though the output was tiny.

"Realization of Maxwell’s Hypothesis" A heat-electric conversion in
contradiction to Kelvin’s statement by Xinyong Fu, Zitao Fu Shanghai
Jiao Tong University

https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0311104

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Che wrote
>
> People here sneer at the likes of the Martin Fleischmann Memorial
> Project.. but say what you will: its very OPEN [Source] nature is what
> *will* at least keep it out of the grubby clutches of moneyed-interests.
>
>
> Not so - no one here that I am aware of - sneers at MFMP. Or if they do -
> they are misguided.
>

Well they have. Right here. Recently.




Just the opposite - in fact, a version of "open-source" is the way of the
> future for LENR... but it needs refinement. For instance, patents can be a
> necessary evil - if only to keep patent trolls from jumping in and
> obtaining one first.
>

Patents are 'necessary', like locks on your doors are necessary. There was
a time in the past when door-locks were UN-necessary -- and there will come
again a time where they will become a relic of our barbaric Past (Present).
I prefer to focus positively, on the contents of the house.






>
> The main thing needed for continuing cash flow for the research is the
> promise of some kind of future reward for the funder. It is easily possible
> to merge capitalism and optimized R into a mutually acceptable package.
>

NO. The FOSS software Movement is proof enuff that monetary reward is NOT
the main, essential motivation for the creative process -- whatever paid
propagandists continually and relentlessly say (and whatever particular
details don't really match my claim). However, money *does indeed* become a
crucial issue, when a chronic lack of resources poses an obstacle to
further creative effort (and in fact, the ruling-class *consciously*
starves society generally, of resources -- in order to maintain _precisely_
this sort of control over us). Even now, the heroic 'cool' days of Silicon
Valley (more myth, than anything) are essentially over: and the usual
corporate interests _assert_ those interests more and more, in computer
technology. They DO want a ROI.

However, that 'cool' model of 'hip', enlightened, Yuppie investors does not
appear to work in such a chance-y field as cold fusion research. Too much
'up-front' risk, right?

We require a steady, *public* -- OPEN -- source of funding: and should
commensurately be demanding the public OPEN release of any and all
scientific theoretical and research findings.





>
> In short, it is possible to "keep it out of the grubby clutches of
> moneyed-interests" and at the same time provide a decent return on
> investment in a vehicle for continuing R funding -- which does not demand
> that the inventor has to subsidize his own efforts.
>
> The end result can be win-win, whereas a complete abdication of IP is not
> going to be as efficient. In fact, it is brain-dead in the era of patent
> trolls. I think MFMP realizes this dynamic.
>

This is pie-in-the-sky, AFAIC. The World does not work this way. Or not for
long, anyway. Mixing in 'patent trolls' at the end here is only obfuscating
the issue: the primacy, Über Alles, of 'private property', in our barbaric
times -- and its crushing effect upon true 'innovation'.

Re: [Vo]:2nd Law proved not valid, ignored by West

[David Roberson]

Looks like this experiment demonstrates a process which converts heat energy 
into electrical energy.  This has already been observed when thermal radiation 
is emitted by a warm body.  Also, electrical energy can be captured from a 
resistor surrounded by a heat sink.

I am not sure why the report you refer to claims to be a first.

Dave

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene 
To: Vortex List 
Sent: Tue, Jul 11, 2017 12:08 am
Subject: [Vo]:2nd Law proved not valid, ignored by West

In the disclosed Maxwell's demon type of experiment from 2012, heat from 
ambient air was converted completely into electric energy, using a 
static magnetic field without producing any other effect.

The phenomenon proves clearly that the second law of thermodynamics is 
not universally valid, even though the output was tiny.

"Realization of Maxwell’s Hypothesis" A heat-electric conversion in 
contradiction to Kelvin’s statement  by  Xinyong Fu, Zitao Fu Shanghai 
Jiao Tong University

https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0311104

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Che]

On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>
> Mary Yugo said he was contacted by investors looking to verify Rossi.
He told them what to test for, and Rossi never had anything to do with
them.   The only way Rossi is going to find an investor now is to have the
darned thing tested with true independence, like an investor bringing you
along.   So this is a healthy thing.



A significant portion of Humanity has other ideas about the health value of
letting capitalist 'investors' run amok across the surface of the Planet --
'legally' or otherwise. Anyone seeing the involvement of vulture
capitalists in heterodox fyzix research as being a 'healthy thing' -- given
the wretched history of it all -- really should go see a doctor.

Better to end up on Patreon, or somesuch.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Daniel Rocha]

Now that Rossi has much more free time, I expect him to have bold strides
in making new devices. The bad times are now past!

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

I now believe that there is multiple LENR reaction types. For example,
Rossi has developed a low temperature LENR reaction and has tested it in
the yearlong IH test. The mechanism for this type of LENR reaction is based
on magnetic flux line focusing by the hexagonal based lattice of mica. This
reaction mechanism follows along the lines that was shown to be effective
in the Golden Balls of D. Cravins where the magnetic flux lines of a SmCo5
magnet is focused by the hexagonal based lattice of graphite.

See

https://www.nature.com/articles/srep16184

This article explains how magnetism can be focused into skyrmion magnetic
textures involving topological, non-topological and instanton droplets
driven by spin-transfer torque in materials with perpendicular magnetic
anisotropy and Dzyaloshinskii–Moriya Interaction

During the year long test, Rossi has stumbled on the plasma phase LENR
reaction and has built the QuarkX reactor to take advantage of this
reaction type. Rossi has come to believe correctly that the plasma type
LENR reaction is superior to the low temperature LENR reaction type and has
in effect tossed the low temperature technology in the trash as
noncompetitive.

The QuarkX technology is very difficult because it demands very high
temperature structural materials. This requires specialized expertise in
material science and extensive testing to ensure the robustness of this
material under extreme stress over time.

The plasma based LENR reaction is centered on the production of
nanoparticles produced by the condinsation of metal vapor. Polaritons
naturally form on those nanoparticles that convert the spin of infrared
photons into powerful magnetic fields.

By the way, I believe that the SunCell is using the plasma phase LENR
reaction. Like Rossi, R. Mills has stumbled on this reaction type and is
attempting to bring it to market.

I am saying that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
If Mills encounters unexplained plasma based high energy reaction, it is
human nature to reform and modify your existing thinking to incorporate
that reaction into those existing theories. Mills would naturally resist
rejecting all his ideas formed over a lifetime and that are central to the
survival of his company whether they are valid or not to impartially
include a these new experimental results.

On top of that, it is in the commercial interest of Mill’s company to avoid
any nuclear based theory that would restrict his ability to patent his
experimental results or taint his work with the onus associated with LENR.

To top things off, sooner or later, someone will test the plasma type LENR
reaction for muon generation, and when the government finds out that muons
are being produced in massive amounts, then the government will take over
the LENR tech and produce a muon activated thorium based large scale
centralized grid connected gigawatt level fission power station.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM, H LV  wrote:

> If that is true then Rossi either lacks the ability to interpret his own
> data or he intentionally misrepresented his data.
>
> Harry
>
> On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Malley 
> wrote:
>
>> You're probably right.   But there is evidence he had a COP > 1 for
>> some length of time according to the report by the person chosen by
>> both sides to administer the test.
>>
>> On 7/10/17, H LV  wrote:
>> > Rossi was suing IH for millions of dollars, so he had to prove the
>> device
>> > in Florida worked as he claimed. If the trial proceeded I think it is
>> very
>> > likely that the preponderance of the evidence would not support his
>> claim.
>> >
>> > Harry
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 7/9/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
>> >>> OJ Simpson...
>> >>> > Obviously he was guilty.
>> >>> ***Then obviously Rossi is Not Guilty of Fraud.   You just agreed with
>> >>> the legal standard.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> I cannot judge legal standards. By scientific standards and by common
>> >> sense standards he is guilty of fraud.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> > All I did was read the Penon report. That's all it takes.
>> >>> ***Bullshit.  Plenty of others have read the report and came to
>> >>> different conclusions than you did.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Not as far as I know. Some people such as Axil refuse to read the
>> report.
>> >> Others people claim they read it and reached different conclusions, but
>> >> they have not given any reasons. A few are so gullible they believe the
>> >> post hoc lies about invisible heat exchangers that do not show in
>> >> photographs. Such "conclusions" are so irrational they have no place
>> in a
>> >> serious discussion.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>  At least his next intended victims
>> >>> > have the court docket to warn them off.
>> >>> ***Well if 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[H LV]

If that is true then Rossi either lacks the ability to interpret his own
data or he intentionally misrepresented his data.

Harry

On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> You're probably right.   But there is evidence he had a COP > 1 for
> some length of time according to the report by the person chosen by
> both sides to administer the test.
>
> On 7/10/17, H LV  wrote:
> > Rossi was suing IH for millions of dollars, so he had to prove the device
> > in Florida worked as he claimed. If the trial proceeded I think it is
> very
> > likely that the preponderance of the evidence would not support his
> claim.
> >
> > Harry
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 10:07 AM, Jed Rothwell 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Kevin O'Malley  wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 7/9/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> >>> OJ Simpson...
> >>> > Obviously he was guilty.
> >>> ***Then obviously Rossi is Not Guilty of Fraud.   You just agreed with
> >>> the legal standard.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I cannot judge legal standards. By scientific standards and by common
> >> sense standards he is guilty of fraud.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> > All I did was read the Penon report. That's all it takes.
> >>> ***Bullshit.  Plenty of others have read the report and came to
> >>> different conclusions than you did.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Not as far as I know. Some people such as Axil refuse to read the
> report.
> >> Others people claim they read it and reached different conclusions, but
> >> they have not given any reasons. A few are so gullible they believe the
> >> post hoc lies about invisible heat exchangers that do not show in
> >> photographs. Such "conclusions" are so irrational they have no place in
> a
> >> serious discussion.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>  At least his next intended victims
> >>> > have the court docket to warn them off.
> >>> ***Well if you were to write a point by point delineation of all the
> >>> scientific claims that are fraud then his next "intended victims"
> >>> would have that.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I have no idea what his next scheme will be. Perhaps it will be the
> >> QuarkX? Rossi told Lewan in the interview that he is setting up in
> Sweden
> >> where people want to invest. I suppose that means he has begun a new
> >> scam,
> >> but maybe he made that up and there are no investors.
> >>
> >> - Jed
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Jones Beene]

Wait a minute. There is still Randell Mills to deal with, and he says he 
can not only heat up a cup of coffee but evaporate it in a burst of 
hydrinos in seconds. He has better credentials than any of us, and he 
has followers who are more loyal than Rossi's.


Prediction: Very soon, Mills will acknowledge that his new device is 
producing radioactivity, BUT he will claim that actually he expected 
this outcome all along; and LENR is his from the start.


He could be right. Bring it on, Randy... 


Brian Ahern wrote:

> I agree with Frank's assessment.

> From: Frank Znidarsic ...  That's where this has all come to. No 
device was developed to heat a cup of coffee, as Mallove was requested 
to produce.  27 years later there is no cup of warm coffee.  I worked on 
this technology hard for some time.  I felt it was coming.  I am now 
embarrassed by my optimistic comments.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Axil Axil]

R Mills is producing a teacup full of self sustaining 3000C plasma. Don't
worry be happy.

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Frank Znidarsic 
wrote:

>
> endless spewing of hate
>
>
>
>
> That's where this has all come to.   No device was developed to heat a cup
> of coffee, as Mallove was
> requested to produce.   27 years later there is no cup of warm coffee.
> I worked on this technology hard for some time.  I felt it was coming.  I
> am now embarrassed by my optimistic comments.
>
> All we have left are lawsuits and hate.
>

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Brian Ahern]

I agree with Frank's assessment.



From: Frank Znidarsic 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 11:05 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled


endless spewing of hate



That's where this has all come to.   No device was developed to heat a cup of 
coffee, as Mallove was
requested to produce.   27 years later there is no cup of warm coffee.   I 
worked on this technology hard for some time.  I felt it was coming.  I am now 
embarrassed by my optimistic comments.

All we have left are lawsuits and hate.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Jed Rothwell]

Russ George  wrote:

Obscenity is also the endless spewing of hate that comes from your mouth.
> Your hate mongering is amongst the most obscene that takes place on Vortex.
>

I suggest you block my messages.

If you wish to know why I am opposed to Rossi, I suggest you read the Penon
report and the reports by Murray and Smith.

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/0197.03_Exhibit_3.pdf

http://coldfusioncommunity.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/0235.01_Exhibit_1.pdf

If these reports do not upset you, I think your judgement is flawed.

How much damage does Rossi have to do before you denounce him? I.H. may
have been the last source of funding for cold fusion, and Rossi probably
destroyed it. I.H. withdrew funding for the next ICCF conference because
they had to spend so much on the trial. There does not appear to be a
replacement. If those are not sufficient reasons to hate him, what would be?

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Frank Znidarsic]

endless spewing of hate 




That's where this has all come to.   No device was developed to heat a cup of 
coffee, as Mallove was 
requested to produce.   27 years later there is no cup of warm coffee.   I 
worked on this technology hard for some time.  I felt it was coming.  I am now 
embarrassed by my optimistic comments.


All we have left are lawsuits and hate.

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Russ George]

Obscenity is also the endless spewing of hate that comes from your mouth. Your 
hate mongering is amongst the most obscene that takes place on Vortex. And of 
your take or leave it advice that is classic troll-speak that has always been 
the pitiful recourse of those who do nothing but pontificate from their arm 
chairs. Get a real life. 

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 9:37 AM
To: Vortex
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

 

Russ George  > wrote:

 

This endless trollification by the unflushable malcontents that did not get 
their free feed in the trial are festering into a terrible stench. Give it a 
f*ckng break or at least go see your doctors and get some new meds, there are 
remarkably good meds for senile agitation these days.

 

Obscenity is uncalled for. No one is forcing you to read messages here. If you 
do not wish to read a message, you can ignore it or delete it. If you do not 
wish to see anything from an author, you can block him.

 

- Jed

 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Jed Rothwell]

Russ George  wrote:

This endless trollification by the unflushable malcontents that did not get
> their free feed in the trial are festering into a terrible stench. Give it
> a f*ckng break or at least go see your doctors and get some new meds, there
> are remarkably good meds for senile agitation these days.
>

Obscenity is uncalled for. No one is forcing you to read messages here. If
you do not wish to read a message, you can ignore it or delete it. If you
do not wish to see anything from an author, you can block him.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Russ George]

Doesn’t someone here have a toilet plunger to help the damned vortex flush out 
all the turds that are stuck here. This endless trollification by the 
unflushable malcontents that did not get their free feed in the trial are 
festering into a terrible stench. Give it a f*ckng break or at least go see 
your doctors and get some new meds, there are remarkably good meds for senile 
agitation these days. 

 

From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:03 PM
To: Vortex
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

 

Kevin O'Malley  > wrote:

 

The report was credible enough for IH not to move forward on their case.

 

Unless you took part in the lawyers' negotiations, you do not know that is the 
reason. It might be because they determined Rossi has no more money. There is 
no point to suing someone who cannot pay. Here is another possible reason. 
Lawyers tell me that it was mainly a contract dispute, and I.H.'s counter-suit 
regarding the contract was weak.

 

I myself have no idea why they settled. However, I am sure the Penon report is 
not "credible" in this universe according to our laws of physics. It was a 
gross violation of thermodynamics, as Smith pointed out. Also because Florida 
is not located in a vacuum in outer space. I am pretty sure of that.

 

Perhaps the people at I.H. worried that a jury might be as gullible as you are, 
and the jury might think the Florida could be in a vacuum, because what do 
those scientists know, anyway? They are a bunch of elitist know-it-alls with 
their "laws" of "physics." They are so sure of themselves, they think that when 
you take photo of a 15,000 pound machine with pipes running to the ceiling, the 
image has to show up in the camera! Why can't it be invisible??? Huh? You tell 
me! And it was equipped with an anti-gravity machine which is why the mezzanine 
didn't collapse. You didn't think of THAT, did you, Mr. Elite Scientist.

 

- Jed

 

Re: [Vo]:Rossi versus Darden trial settled

[Kevin O'Malley]

On 7/10/17, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Unless you took part in the lawyers' negotiations, you do not know that is
> the reason.
***You don't have to be involved at that level.   If the report was a
slam dunk either way it would have compelled the outcome of the case.
 It wasn't a slam dunk for Rossi enough for him to move forward to get
$89M and it wasn't a slam dunk enough for IH to keep in there.




  However, I am sure the Penon report
> is not "credible" in this universe according to our laws of physics. It was
> a gross violation of thermodynamics, as Smith pointed out. Also because
> Florida is not located in a vacuum in outer space. I am pretty sure of
> that.
***If it was that much of a slamdunk, then IH would have ridden it all
the way to the goal line.   They didn't.


>
> Perhaps the people at I.H. worried that a jury might be as gullible as you
> are, and the jury might think the Florida could be in a vacuum, because
> what do those scientists know, anyway?
***Apparently those scientists are as arrogant as you are but they
don't meet your 3rd grade qualification.


They are a bunch of elitist
> know-it-alls with their "laws" of "physics." They are so sure of
> themselves, they think that when you take photo of a 15,000 pound machine
> with pipes running to the ceiling, the image has to show up in the camera!
***Again, it should have been a slam dunk to hear you tell it.   But
it was NOT a slam dunk.


> Why can't it be invisible??? Huh? You tell me! And it was equipped with an
> anti-gravity machine which is why the mezzanine didn't collapse. You didn't
> think of THAT, did you, Mr. Elite Scientist.
***You make it sound so simple.   So much of a slam dunk.   If it were
that simple, that much of a slam dunk, IH wouldn't have settled.
There is a huge duhh factor here that any third grader can see.