Re: [Vo]:First Light Fusion Fraud

[CB Sites]

Given the immediacy of the global warming crisis I think Jed comments are
well thought-out. Maybe we should look at leaving the nuclear waste
disposal issue to future generations while we work to solve the problems of
climate change. Modern reactor design has improved both in safety and in
the amount of waste created so it may not be as large of a problem to
manage when compared to the possibility of global Extinction from climate
change.

Eventually that solution will not work in the long run and the world will
need to change to renewable sources of energy.


On Sun, Feb 17, 2019, 11:46 AM Jed Rothwell  bobcook39...@hotmail.com  wrote:
>
> Regarding leaving environmental messes to future generations. I just read
>> an item that noted 450,000 “brown fields”  mostly in cities exist,  and
>> that one city in Mass. Is beginning remediation.
>>
>
> I did not mean to imply that all environmental messes should be left to
> future generations. Many should be cleaned up. Pollution should be reduced.
> Industrial processes should be redesigned to reduce waste and pollution.
>
> I meant that some environmental problems can be safely put off for a
> while. When we expect new technology will emerge making it easier, safer
> and cheaper to solve problems, it might be best to put off the problem for
> now. At the same time, we should avoid making the problem worse.
>
> For example, as I said, non-nuclear solid waste dumps are a problem. We
> should reduce waste, recycle more, and we should design dumps for the long
> term to avoid leaching hazardous waste into surrounding soil and water.
> However, in parts of the world with a lot of land, we do not need to
> drastically reduce the waste stream, and we should not worry too much that
> future generations will have to clean up these sites. No doubt they will,
> but as I said, they might find it is profitable. They will surely be able
> to do it more cheaply than we can, with robots and improved recycling
> technology.
>
> I am proposing a compromise solution. In some cases we should ameliorate a
> problem, rather than solving it completely.
>
> - Jed
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Another magnetic based overunity system

[Frank Znidarsic]

I look at this through the lens of my mathematical equations.  The strong 
magnetic field aligns the nucleons like in a MRI machine.  An element of shock 
at a frequency of 1 million meters per second condenses the nucleons.
Then there is magic.  The spin orbit force is ejected from the system and the 
probability of nuclear transition is proportionate the vibration at the 
dimensional frequency of one megahertz meter squared.
This shock has the unfortunate secondary effect of destroying the magnet.
Or perhaps the energetic effect is just due to the withering of the magnets.
Who needs a rotating motor to text the effect?  Can the shock be applied in a 
direction that reinforces the field of magnet?
I probably need to try some of this but I am getting old and tired of it all.  
Today I am going to Starbucks and plan to drink coffee and talk about other 
things.
Frank



 

Re: [Vo]:First Light Fusion Fraud

[Jed Rothwell]

bobcook39...@hotmail.com  wrote:

Regarding leaving environmental messes to future generations. I just read
> an item that noted 450,000 “brown fields”  mostly in cities exist,  and
> that one city in Mass. Is beginning remediation.
>

I did not mean to imply that all environmental messes should be left to
future generations. Many should be cleaned up. Pollution should be reduced.
Industrial processes should be redesigned to reduce waste and pollution.

I meant that some environmental problems can be safely put off for a while.
When we expect new technology will emerge making it easier, safer and
cheaper to solve problems, it might be best to put off the problem for now.
At the same time, we should avoid making the problem worse.

For example, as I said, non-nuclear solid waste dumps are a problem. We
should reduce waste, recycle more, and we should design dumps for the long
term to avoid leaching hazardous waste into surrounding soil and water.
However, in parts of the world with a lot of land, we do not need to
drastically reduce the waste stream, and we should not worry too much that
future generations will have to clean up these sites. No doubt they will,
but as I said, they might find it is profitable. They will surely be able
to do it more cheaply than we can, with robots and improved recycling
technology.

I am proposing a compromise solution. In some cases we should ameliorate a
problem, rather than solving it completely.

- Jed

RE: [Vo]:First Light Fusion Fraud

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Regarding leaving environmental messes to future generations. I just read an 
item that noted 450,000 “brown fields”  mostly in cities exist,  and that one 
city in Mass. Is beginning remediation.

Cherokee investment group was big into establishing “brown fields” as a 
lucrative money maker and mortgaging the future for the generations of the 
future.

Hopefully, LENR will significantly reduce “brown fields” of the future.  (It 
may not help reduce hazardous wastes from chemical manufactures and mineral 
extraction entities.

Bob Cook

From: bobcook39...@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 5:20 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:First Light Fusion Fraud

The ARIES report says:

“The long-term benefits of reduced waste-disposal requirements because of the 
use of low-activation materials was not reflected directly in the ARIES 
costing, other than to use a relatively low D
charge.”

This is  DOE jargon for “We have not considered long-term environmental issues 
and leave them to future generations to cope with.”  My words.

The same mentality was the basis for ignoring effective long term management of 
high-level radioactive waste and eventually resulted in expensive deep geologic 
repositories for fission reactor D as a remedy.

Consistent with the “leave it to future generations”  excuse. political issues 
were not effectively taken into consideration and the cost for the repository 
option poorly, poorly considered.

AND THE SAGA CONTINUES.

Bob Cook

From: Jed Rothwell 
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 11:05:46 AM
To: Vortex
Subject: Re: [Vo]:First Light Fusion Fraud

Here is an analysis comparing conventional fission and proposed tokamak fusion 
reactors, published by Los Alamos:

https://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/KrakowskiRlessonslea.pdf

Abstract

Lessons from the four-year ARIES (Advanced Reactor Innovation and Evaluation 
Study) investigation of four magnetic-fusion-energy (MFE) power-plant 
embodiments of the tokamak are summarized. These lessons are derived from the 
physics; engineering and technology; economics; and environmental, safety, and 
health (ES) characteristics of these conceptual tokamak power-plant designs. 
This summary of ARIES lessons is intended to provide a general indicator of the 
requirements of economically and environmentally attractive fusion power. The 
integration of fundamental tokamak physics with conceptual engineering models 
through a cost-based systems methodology has been especially thorough in ARIES. 
The resulting quantitative tradeoffs among tokamak plasma physics, plasma 
engineering, and a wide range of supporting reactor engineering disciplines, 
and the enhanced interdisciplinary understanding of the impact of constraints 
leading to optimal tokamak reactors are major contributions of the ARIES 
Project. . . .

[Vo]:Re: picture proximity wave antenna single stage

[Frank Znidarsic]

For those of you who have read my book you know that I have a model that 
produces real results.It gives, the radii of all of the atoms light and heavy, 
it gives the Stern Gerlich effect, it producers all of Special Relativity, it 
gives the energy and frequency of the photon, it gives the Fermi Nuclear 
spacing, and finally it gives the intensity of the spectra emissions.  The 
intensity of spectral emissions is proportional  to the amplitude of the 
vibration at an amplitude of vibration at the dimensional frequency of one 
megahertz-meter.  This vibration leads to the collapse of the wavefunction.
My megahertz meter energy experiments have failed.  Now this velocity emerges 
in the design of UHF television antenna.  Resonate the antenna properly, the 
intensity of spectral absorption increases, and the television wave collapses.  
What next?
I have a lot to do but now I am 66 years old and have slowed considerably.


-Original Message-
From: Frank Znidarsic 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Sun, Feb 17, 2019 9:59 am
Subject: picture proximity wave antenna single stage

It just a bent wire with three spires.   Its vertically polarized.  Mounted in 
front of an amplified antenna it does allow some over the horizon television 
reception.  A ruler was set beside the antenna to indicate dimensions.  It's 
working great!

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/prox.jpg

It seems simple but it is not.  It capitalizes the collapse of the 
wavefunctiton.The collapse of a wave is very mysterious and this UHF version of 
it may shed somelight on the process.  I will be soon building multi stage 
versions that I hope will be be even better.We shall see.
Frank Znidarsic

[Vo]:picture proximity wave antenna single stage

[Frank Znidarsic]

It just a bent wire with three spires.   Its vertically polarized.  Mounted in 
front of an amplified antenna it does allow some over the horizon television 
reception.  A ruler was set beside the antenna to indicate dimensions.  It's 
working great!

http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/prox.jpg

It seems simple but it is not.  It capitalizes the collapse of the 
wavefunctiton.The collapse of a wave is very mysterious and this UHF version of 
it may shed somelight on the process.  I will be soon building multi stage 
versions that I hope will be be even better.We shall see.
Frank Znidarsic

Re: [Vo]:Another magnetic based overunity system

[Jones Beene]

 It's too good to be true, right? Steron-reborn?
 Unless there is more to the story (like strange radiation), then most likely 
this is a version of the old "distributorship scam".
It works like this. First, a highly desirable sample product is shown as if it 
is for general sale. Second, it turns out that only "distributors" can actually 
buy the product - for resale after markup to the many waiting and anxious 
customers who want one and have "preordered". Third, the product is then 
disclosed to be not in mass production yet - and to set up a production line 
costs millions. Fourth, the target of the scam (the unwary capitalist) can 
become a ground-floor distributor and an early investor but only by coming up 
with a sum, often in the form of a loan - typically more than $100,000 as a 
down payment for many units that have been preordered in his "exclusive" area. 
Fifth, months later, after many positive progress reports, it turns out the 
inventor has disappeared, back to Russia or some place without an extradition 
treaty; the factory is never built and dozens of distributors are left holding 
the bag, with thousands of preorders in hand but no product to deliver. 

It would be great to be proven wrong on this, since there is adequate proof 
that a self-running magnet motor can be constructed. My associate in England 
witnessed the Muammer Yildiz motor running for twenty minutes or so and was 
involved in the disassembly. It had no batteries or other power source than 
magnets - but - was never able to self-run longer than an hour. 

It's pretty simple. Magnets in opposition can do work, but demagnetize too 
rapidly to be useful. Some small level of energy extraction is possible but not 
much. End of story... 

...but always hopeful that this time, things are different.

Nigel Dyer wrote:  
  
I think one of the things that should be checked with this is whether it gives 
off low energy (5-10keV) gamma rays or X rays.  I have been looking at the 
strange radiation data from Russia, which seems to be linked with LENR, and one 
of the most intriguing results is that it is also possible to produce strange 
radiation from a small disk spinning very fast.  There also seems to be a 
connection between the strange radiation and the low energy X rays that are 
reported by people such as Vysotskii.  
 If it is giving off such radiation then that would be an indication that there 
might be something in this, but it would also mean that it is probably not 
suitable for home installation.
 
 Jones Beene wrote:
  
 
 Looks like they are taking orders - $8000 for the model below... at least that 
should mean a purchaser could step forward with a review at some near term 
date. 
  
  This is made in Korea, which has a history of magnetic motors that operate 
for a short time until the magnets demagnetize. 
  
  There is minute probability that this thing works for an extended period... 
plus the warranty could be practically worthless so wait for that honest 
(positive) review before you buy,
  
  
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  On Friday, February 15, 2019, 1:01:23 PM PST, Axil Axil 
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 https://youtu.be/EmdKVecQhXs
 

Re: [Vo]:Another magnetic based overunity system

[Nigel Dyer]

I think one of the things that should be checked with this is whether it 
gives off low energy (5-10keV) gamma rays or X rays.  I have been 
looking at the strange radiation data from Russia, which seems to be 
linked with LENR, and one of the most intriguing results is that it is 
also possible to produce strange radiation from a small disk spinning 
very fast.  There also seems to be a connection between the strange 
radiation and the low energy X rays that are reported by people such as 
Vysotskii.
If it is giving off such radiation then that would be an indication that 
there might be something in this, but it would also mean that it is 
probably not suitable for home installation.


On 16/02/2019 00:52, Jones Beene wrote:
Looks like they are taking orders - $8000 for the model below... at 
least that should mean a purchaser could step forward with a review at 
some near term date.


This is made in Korea, which has a history of magnetic motors that 
operate for a short time until the magnets demagnetize.


There is minute probability that this thing works for an extended 
period... plus the warranty could be practically worthless so wait for 
that honest (positive) review before you buy,



5KW MAGNETIC GENERATOR 








5KW MAGNETIC GENERATOR

We are glad to announce that we opened our product for preordering. 
First of all, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHIN...




On Friday, February 15, 2019, 1:01:23 PM PST, Axil Axil 
 wrote:


https://youtu.be/EmdKVecQhXs