RE: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Robin—



I thought that went without saying, the pure energy transformation of 
particle-antiparticle reactions.





Bob Cook


From: mix...@bigpond.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 1:08:30 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

In reply to  JonesBeene's message of Wed, 24 Apr 2019 11:42:28 -0700:
Hi,

Perhaps I misunderstand conservation of Baryon number, but isn't proton :
anti-proton annihilation an obvious violation?

>
>Nah. In fact, there are many violations of baryon number conservation at high 
>local temperatures in the Standard Model…
>
>Here is a decent paper on the subject of baryon conservation law violations 
>from people who see it almost  every day and incidentally have LLNL 
>connections.
>
>http://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/slacreports/reports12/ssi90-020.pdf.
>
>In the end, experiment always rules, and “conservation laws” are usually 
>nothing more than generalizations to begin with….(make that 
>over-generalizations)
>
>Jones
>
>
>
>From: Axil Axil
>
>The reason why "LLNL not all over this" is because the Holmlid effect violates 
>the baryon number conservation law.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon_number
>
>
>
>JonesBeene  wrote:
>
>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331968180_Ultradense_protium_p0_and_deuterium_D0_and_their_relation_to_ordinary_Rydberg_matter_a_review
>
>There is a clue here about why the output in muons has been difficult for 
>others to duplicate.
>
>It turns out that the active material must be in the form of long chain 
>clusters, not simply the smaller grouping.
>
>QUOTE: “Superfluidity and a Meissner effect at room temperature are only found 
>for the long chain clusters H2N(0), while the small H3(0) and H4(0) clusters 
>do not have any super properties”
>
>This means that there is a specific technique which has to be implemented to 
>first densify and then to  create the extremely dense clusters in which most 
>of the nuclear reaction processes take place.
>
>Following this step, laser irradiation will  give meson showers (most types of 
>kaons and pions) and, after meson decay, large fluxes of muons and other 
>leptons.
>
>The fluxes can be  extraordinarily high
>
>Why is LLNL not all over this ???
>
>It seems almost negligent to ignore this. Heads should roll if the Holmlid 
>effect has been overlooked by the one National Lab whose missionand 
>multibillion funding level  is so similar.
>
>Not to mention the military implications.
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

Re: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

[Jones Beene]

 The prior comment from Robin actually reminds me of a recent thread here about 
a possible "backdoor" way to get the Holmlid effect. This alternative route 
would not violate conservation of baryon number, in fact.

The hypothetical route would involve nuclear charge flipping. Here is the 
thread.

https://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg117275.html
It could happen without the baryon violation using deuterons and anti-deuterons 
as well as protons etc.

Jones Beene wrote:  
 
  Robin - No apparent violation there since the baryon number on both sides of 
the reaction is 0
 p+ + p–    →  γ (gamma ray) + γ (gamma ray) 

IOW when the proton and antiproton come into contact, they annihilate into two 
high-energy photons. 

    mix...@bigpond.com wrote: 
Perhaps I misunderstand conservation of Baryon number, but isn't proton :
anti-proton annihilation an obvious violation?

Re: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

[Axil Axil]

It is my contention that the electron cloud layer that covers the positive
core of the uttra dense material will support the development of conversion
of electrons to polaritons. Polaritons will produce a super-fluid. An
equilibrium condition between the meissner effect and  coulomb attraction
in the electron cloud will setup a mirror condition that will trap photons
in the electron cloud layer from which polaritons will form.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polariton_superfluid

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 2:02 PM Brian Ahern  wrote:

> What is H2N(0) ?  There is no superfluidity without a liquid state
>
> --
> *From:* JonesBeene 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:04 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate
>
>
>
>
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331968180_Ultradense_protium_p0_and_deuterium_D0_and_their_relation_to_ordinary_Rydberg_matter_a_review
> 
>
>
>
> There is a clue here about why the output in muons has been difficult for
> others to duplicate.
>
>
>
> It turns out that the active material must be in the form of long chain
> clusters, not simply the smaller grouping.
>
>
>
> QUOTE: “Superfluidity and a Meissner effect at room temperature are only
> found for the long chain clusters H2N(0), while the small H3(0) and H4(0)
> clusters do not have any super properties”
>
>
>
> This means that there is a specific technique which has to be implemented
> to first densify and then to  create the extremely dense clusters in which
> most of the nuclear reaction processes take place.
>
>
>
> Following this step, laser irradiation will  give meson showers (most
> types of kaons and pions) and, after meson decay, large fluxes of muons and
> other leptons.
>
>
>
> The fluxes can be  extraordinarily high
>
>
>
> Why is LLNL not all over this ???
>
>
>
> It seems almost negligent to ignore this. Heads should roll if the Holmlid
> effect has been overlooked by the one National Lab whose missionand
> multibillion funding level  is so similar.
>
>
>
> Not to mention the military implications.
>

Re: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

[Jones Beene]

 Robin - No apparent violation there since the baryon number on both sides of 
the reaction is 0
 p+ + p–    →  γ (gamma ray) + γ (gamma ray) 

IOW when the proton and antiproton come into contact, they annihilate into two 
high-energy photons. 

    mix...@bigpond.com wrote: 
Perhaps I misunderstand conservation of Baryon number, but isn't proton :
anti-proton annihilation an obvious violation?  

RE: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

>From the SLAC report—"We give simple! arguments that
while baryon number violation is indeed large at high temperatures, there is no
such enhancement at high energies.”

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/slacreports/reports12/ssi90-020.pdf


I conclude that 2-body (high energy)  particle reactions require conservation 
of linear momentum and many- body, (low-energy,  high-temperature) reactions 
depend upon  tunneling and wave function overlap at resonant conditions  with 
conservation of energy and angular   momentum.  Baryon conservation only 
happens some- times.  That’s “simpler!” than the SLAC group’s arguments IMHO.

Bob Cook

From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:42:28 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate


Nah. In fact, there are many violations of baryon number conservation at high 
local temperatures in the Standard Model…

Here is a decent paper on the subject of baryon conservation law violations 
from people who see it almost  every day and incidentally have LLNL connections.

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/slacreports/reports12/ssi90-020.pdf.

In the end, experiment always rules, and “conservation laws” are usually 
nothing more than generalizations to begin with….(make that 
over-generalizations)

Jones



From: Axil Axil


The reason why "LLNL not all over this" is because the Holmlid effect violates 
the baryon number conservation law.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon_number





JonesBeene  wrote:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331968180_Ultradense_protium_p0_and_deuterium_D0_and_their_relation_to_ordinary_Rydberg_matter_a_review

There is a clue here about why the output in muons has been difficult for 
others to duplicate.

It turns out that the active material must be in the form of long chain 
clusters, not simply the smaller grouping.

QUOTE: “Superfluidity and a Meissner effect at room temperature are only found 
for the long chain clusters H2N(0), while the small H3(0) and H4(0) clusters do 
not have any super properties”

This means that there is a specific technique which has to be implemented to 
first densify and then to  create the extremely dense clusters in which most of 
the nuclear reaction processes take place.

Following this step, laser irradiation will  give meson showers (most types of 
kaons and pions) and, after meson decay, large fluxes of muons and other 
leptons.

The fluxes can be  extraordinarily high

Why is LLNL not all over this ???

It seems almost negligent to ignore this. Heads should roll if the Holmlid 
effect has been overlooked by the one National Lab whose missionand 
multibillion funding level  is so similar.

Not to mention the military implications.

Re: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

[mixent]

In reply to  JonesBeene's message of Wed, 24 Apr 2019 11:42:28 -0700:
Hi,

Perhaps I misunderstand conservation of Baryon number, but isn't proton :
anti-proton annihilation an obvious violation?

>
>Nah. In fact, there are many violations of baryon number conservation at high 
>local temperatures in the Standard Model… 
>
>Here is a decent paper on the subject of baryon conservation law violations 
>from people who see it almost  every day and incidentally have LLNL 
>connections.
>
>http://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/slacreports/reports12/ssi90-020.pdf.
>
>In the end, experiment always rules, and “conservation laws” are usually 
>nothing more than generalizations to begin with….(make that 
>over-generalizations)
>
>Jones
>
>
>
>From: Axil Axil
>
>The reason why "LLNL not all over this" is because the Holmlid effect violates 
>the baryon number conservation law.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon_number  
> 
>
>
>JonesBeene  wrote:
> 
>https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331968180_Ultradense_protium_p0_and_deuterium_D0_and_their_relation_to_ordinary_Rydberg_matter_a_review
> 
>There is a clue here about why the output in muons has been difficult for 
>others to duplicate.
> 
>It turns out that the active material must be in the form of long chain 
>clusters, not simply the smaller grouping.
> 
>QUOTE: “Superfluidity and a Meissner effect at room temperature are only found 
>for the long chain clusters H2N(0), while the small H3(0) and H4(0) clusters 
>do not have any super properties”
> 
>This means that there is a specific technique which has to be implemented to 
>first densify and then to  create the extremely dense clusters in which most 
>of the nuclear reaction processes take place. 
> 
>Following this step, laser irradiation will  give meson showers (most types of 
>kaons and pions) and, after meson decay, large fluxes of muons and other 
>leptons. 
> 
>The fluxes can be  extraordinarily high
> 
>Why is LLNL not all over this ??? 
> 
>It seems almost negligent to ignore this. Heads should roll if the Holmlid 
>effect has been overlooked by the one National Lab whose missionand 
>multibillion funding level  is so similar. 
> 
>Not to mention the military implications.
Regards,


Robin van Spaandonk

local asymmetry = temporary success

RE: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Nah—LLNL is practicing “black science” research AND development under the cover 
of “black funding”.   Open pure science research  is a thing of the past—at 
least if it is funded by the US.  The idea is that a good understanding of 
natural laws is a dangerous situation for society in general –thus deceit and 
secrecy  Is warranted.

With a somewhat cynical attitude,

Bob Cook



From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:42:28 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate


Nah. In fact, there are many violations of baryon number conservation at high 
local temperatures in the Standard Model…

Here is a decent paper on the subject of baryon conservation law violations 
from people who see it almost  every day and incidentally have LLNL connections.

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/slacreports/reports12/ssi90-020.pdf.

In the end, experiment always rules, and “conservation laws” are usually 
nothing more than generalizations to begin with….(make that 
over-generalizations)

Jones



From: Axil Axil


The reason why "LLNL not all over this" is because the Holmlid effect violates 
the baryon number conservation law.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon_number





JonesBeene  wrote:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331968180_Ultradense_protium_p0_and_deuterium_D0_and_their_relation_to_ordinary_Rydberg_matter_a_review

There is a clue here about why the output in muons has been difficult for 
others to duplicate.

It turns out that the active material must be in the form of long chain 
clusters, not simply the smaller grouping.

QUOTE: “Superfluidity and a Meissner effect at room temperature are only found 
for the long chain clusters H2N(0), while the small H3(0) and H4(0) clusters do 
not have any super properties”

This means that there is a specific technique which has to be implemented to 
first densify and then to  create the extremely dense clusters in which most of 
the nuclear reaction processes take place.

Following this step, laser irradiation will  give meson showers (most types of 
kaons and pions) and, after meson decay, large fluxes of muons and other 
leptons.

The fluxes can be  extraordinarily high

Why is LLNL not all over this ???

It seems almost negligent to ignore this. Heads should roll if the Holmlid 
effect has been overlooked by the one National Lab whose missionand 
multibillion funding level  is so similar.

Not to mention the military implications.

RE: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

[JonesBeene]

Nah. In fact, there are many violations of baryon number conservation at high 
local temperatures in the Standard Model… 

Here is a decent paper on the subject of baryon conservation law violations 
from people who see it almost  every day and incidentally have LLNL connections.

http://www.slac.stanford.edu/pubs/slacreports/reports12/ssi90-020.pdf.

In the end, experiment always rules, and “conservation laws” are usually 
nothing more than generalizations to begin with….(make that 
over-generalizations)

Jones



From: Axil Axil

The reason why "LLNL not all over this" is because the Holmlid effect violates 
the baryon number conservation law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon_number  
 


JonesBeene  wrote:
 
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331968180_Ultradense_protium_p0_and_deuterium_D0_and_their_relation_to_ordinary_Rydberg_matter_a_review
 
There is a clue here about why the output in muons has been difficult for 
others to duplicate.
 
It turns out that the active material must be in the form of long chain 
clusters, not simply the smaller grouping.
 
QUOTE: “Superfluidity and a Meissner effect at room temperature are only found 
for the long chain clusters H2N(0), while the small H3(0) and H4(0) clusters do 
not have any super properties”
 
This means that there is a specific technique which has to be implemented to 
first densify and then to  create the extremely dense clusters in which most of 
the nuclear reaction processes take place. 
 
Following this step, laser irradiation will  give meson showers (most types of 
kaons and pions) and, after meson decay, large fluxes of muons and other 
leptons. 
 
The fluxes can be  extraordinarily high
 
Why is LLNL not all over this ??? 
 
It seems almost negligent to ignore this. Heads should roll if the Holmlid 
effect has been overlooked by the one National Lab whose missionand 
multibillion funding level  is so similar. 
 
Not to mention the military implications.

Re: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

[Brian Ahern]

What is H2N(0) ?  There is no superfluidity without a liquid state


From: JonesBeene 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:04 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate




https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331968180_Ultradense_protium_p0_and_deuterium_D0_and_their_relation_to_ordinary_Rydberg_matter_a_review



There is a clue here about why the output in muons has been difficult for 
others to duplicate.



It turns out that the active material must be in the form of long chain 
clusters, not simply the smaller grouping.



QUOTE: “Superfluidity and a Meissner effect at room temperature are only found 
for the long chain clusters H2N(0), while the small H3(0) and H4(0) clusters do 
not have any super properties”



This means that there is a specific technique which has to be implemented to 
first densify and then to  create the extremely dense clusters in which most of 
the nuclear reaction processes take place.



Following this step, laser irradiation will  give meson showers (most types of 
kaons and pions) and, after meson decay, large fluxes of muons and other 
leptons.



The fluxes can be  extraordinarily high



Why is LLNL not all over this ???



It seems almost negligent to ignore this. Heads should roll if the Holmlid 
effect has been overlooked by the one National Lab whose missionand 
multibillion funding level  is so similar.



Not to mention the military implications.

Re: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

[Axil Axil]

[image: B = \frac{1}{3}\left(n_\text{q} - n_\bar{\text{q}}\right),]

where *n*q is the number of quarks .


Should read


[image: image.png]

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 1:20 PM Axil Axil  wrote:

> In particle physics , the 
> *baryon
> number* is a strictly conserved
>  additive quantum
> number  of a system. It is
> defined as
> {\displaystyle B={\frac {1}{3}}\left(n_{\text{q}}-n_{\bar
> {\text{q}}}\right),}[image: B = \frac{1}{3}\left(n_\text{q} -
> n_\bar{\text{q}}\right),]
>
> where *n*q is the number of quarks .
>
> The baryon number is conserved in all the interactions
>  of the Standard Model
> , with one possible
> exception. 'Conserved' means that the sum of the baryon number of all
> incoming particles is the same as the sum of the baryon numbers of all
> particles resulting from the reaction.
>
> The reason why "LLNL not all over this" is because the Holmlid effect
> violates the *baryon number conservation law.*
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon_number
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 12:04 PM JonesBeene  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331968180_Ultradense_protium_p0_and_deuterium_D0_and_their_relation_to_ordinary_Rydberg_matter_a_review
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a clue here about why the output in muons has been difficult for
>> others to duplicate.
>>
>>
>>
>> It turns out that the active material must be in the form of long chain
>> clusters, not simply the smaller grouping.
>>
>>
>>
>> QUOTE: “Superfluidity and a Meissner effect at room temperature are only
>> found for the long chain clusters H2N(0), while the small H3(0) and H4(0)
>> clusters do not have any super properties”
>>
>>
>>
>> This means that there is a specific technique which has to be implemented
>> to first densify and then to  create the extremely dense clusters in which
>> most of the nuclear reaction processes take place.
>>
>>
>>
>> Following this step, laser irradiation will  give meson showers (most
>> types of kaons and pions) and, after meson decay, large fluxes of muons and
>> other leptons.
>>
>>
>>
>> The fluxes can be  extraordinarily high
>>
>>
>>
>> Why is LLNL not all over this ???
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems almost negligent to ignore this. Heads should roll if the
>> Holmlid effect has been overlooked by the one National Lab whose missionand
>> multibillion funding level  is so similar.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not to mention the military implications.
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

[Axil Axil]

In particle physics ,
the *baryon
number* is a strictly conserved
 additive quantum
number  of a system. It is
defined as
{\displaystyle B={\frac {1}{3}}\left(n_{\text{q}}-n_{\bar
{\text{q}}}\right),}[image: B = \frac{1}{3}\left(n_\text{q} -
n_\bar{\text{q}}\right),]

where *n*q is the number of quarks .

The baryon number is conserved in all the interactions
 of the Standard Model
, with one possible
exception. 'Conserved' means that the sum of the baryon number of all
incoming particles is the same as the sum of the baryon numbers of all
particles resulting from the reaction.

The reason why "LLNL not all over this" is because the Holmlid effect
violates the *baryon number conservation law.*


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryon_number





On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 12:04 PM JonesBeene  wrote:

>
>
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331968180_Ultradense_protium_p0_and_deuterium_D0_and_their_relation_to_ordinary_Rydberg_matter_a_review
>
>
>
> There is a clue here about why the output in muons has been difficult for
> others to duplicate.
>
>
>
> It turns out that the active material must be in the form of long chain
> clusters, not simply the smaller grouping.
>
>
>
> QUOTE: “Superfluidity and a Meissner effect at room temperature are only
> found for the long chain clusters H2N(0), while the small H3(0) and H4(0)
> clusters do not have any super properties”
>
>
>
> This means that there is a specific technique which has to be implemented
> to first densify and then to  create the extremely dense clusters in which
> most of the nuclear reaction processes take place.
>
>
>
> Following this step, laser irradiation will  give meson showers (most
> types of kaons and pions) and, after meson decay, large fluxes of muons and
> other leptons.
>
>
>
> The fluxes can be  extraordinarily high
>
>
>
> Why is LLNL not all over this ???
>
>
>
> It seems almost negligent to ignore this. Heads should roll if the Holmlid
> effect has been overlooked by the one National Lab whose missionand
> multibillion funding level  is so similar.
>
>
>
> Not to mention the military implications.
>

[Vo]:New Holmlid paper on Research Gate

[JonesBeene]

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/331968180_Ultradense_protium_p0_and_deuterium_D0_and_their_relation_to_ordinary_Rydberg_matter_a_review

There is a clue here about why the output in muons has been difficult for 
others to duplicate.

It turns out that the active material must be in the form of long chain 
clusters, not simply the smaller grouping.

QUOTE: “Superfluidity and a Meissner effect at room temperature are only found 
for the long chain clusters H2N(0), while the small H3(0) and H4(0) clusters do 
not have any super properties”

This means that there is a specific technique which has to be implemented to 
first densify and then to  create the extremely dense clusters in which most of 
the nuclear reaction processes take place. 

Following this step, laser irradiation will  give meson showers (most types of 
kaons and pions) and, after meson decay, large fluxes of muons and other 
leptons. 

The fluxes can be  extraordinarily high

Why is LLNL not all over this ??? 

It seems almost negligent to ignore this. Heads should roll if the Holmlid 
effect has been overlooked by the one National Lab whose missionand 
multibillion funding level  is so similar. 

Not to mention the military implications.