RE: [Vo]:Re: GoFundMe: Geiger Counter + Lab Tour to Test Atom-Ecology Claimed Energy Source

[russ.george]

Kevin O'Malley seems to be running under some sort of mental instability as he 
is definitely NOT invited to visit the Atom-Ecology/Ecalox lab. His GofundMe 
campaign seems to be predicated on his raising money based on his coming to the 
lab to view my work. I repeat he is NOT invited. That puts all his messaging 
into the realm of worse than bullshit, as when one is raising money on false 
pretenses there is a different word for that. He should cease his wrongful 
exhortations.

-Original Message-
From: Kevin O'Malley  
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 8:49 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: GoFundMe: Geiger Counter + Lab Tour to Test Atom-Ecology 
Claimed Energy Source

I received a quote from Kromek, more than 10k Pounds (I don't have the
symbol for pounds nor euros) and they want to keep the  quote to be
confidential.  This is yet another area where things just don't add up, where 
Alan S says it should be $1000 (one thousand American
dollars) but the public quote will be well above 10X that amount.
That's without training.

This is what it costs to get down past the bovine fecal matter.


On 5/12/19, JonesBeene  wrote:
> Why wouldn’t it  would make more sense to contact a company located in 
> London who manufacture or sell gamma spectrometers to do the testing 
> using one of their own experts?
>
> There must be  one or more companies located in or near London that 
> would likely  do this testing for free – for the publicity value. For 
> instance here is one:
>
> https://www.kromek.com/
>
> Based on past attempts to fund LENR through these online sites like 
> GoFundMe, this effort may not generate much interest - and even if it 
> did, wouldn’t it be more credible to use an expert in spectrometry to 
> do the measurements – preferably one associated with the maker of the 
> equipment or with a University?
>
>  Jones
>
>
> From: Kevin O'Malley
>
> https://www.gofundme.com/8nmynh-geiger?teamInvite=WC66VANcJqCD05UmM6by
> RPSAQOc6WHY1zMnMFDuwZkswE1QewWCy5ezPYj5IT06O
>
>> Geiger Counter + Lab Tour to Test Atom-Ecology Claimed Energy Source
>
>> I'm setting up a GoFundMe campaign to buy a gamma spectrometer and go
>> to London to test these cells, per Alan's invitation.   It would make
>> sense for someone more qualified to make the visit , take the
>> measurements, and generate the YouTube video.   Hint:   Jed.
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:The replication crisis continues

[bobcook39...@hotmail.com]

Jed—

Right on with your “sometimes” thinking.  I hasten to point out that hot air 
frequently accompanies bullshit.

Bob Cook

From: Jed Rothwell
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 6:31 PM
To: Vortex
Subject: [Vo]:The replication crisis continues

If you think cold fusion has problems, you ain't seen nothing. Look at biology 
and social sciences (what my mother called "the hot air sciences"):

Psychology’s Replication Crisis Is Running Out of Excuses
Another big project has found that only half of studies can be repeated. And 
this time, the usual explanations fall flat.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/11/psychologys-replication-crisis-real/576223/

Not only are they irreproducible, they are often dead wrong. See:

A Waste of 1,000 Research Papers
Decades of early research on the genetics of depression were built on 
nonexistent foundations. How did that happen?

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/05/waste-1000-studies/589684/

I sometimes think many scientists reject cold fusion out of hand because they 
assume that most science is bullshit. Maybe because their own work is.

[Vo]:The replication crisis continues

[Jed Rothwell]

If you think cold fusion has problems, you ain't seen nothing. Look at
biology and social sciences (what my mother called "the hot air sciences"):

Psychology’s Replication Crisis Is Running Out of Excuses
Another big project has found that only half of studies can be repeated.
And this time, the usual explanations fall flat.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/11/psychologys-replication-crisis-real/576223/

Not only are they irreproducible, they are often dead wrong. See:

A Waste of 1,000 Research Papers
Decades of early research on the genetics of depression were built on
nonexistent foundations. How did that happen?

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/05/waste-1000-studies/589684/

I sometimes think many scientists reject cold fusion out of hand because
they assume that most science is bullshit. Maybe because their own work is.

Re: [Vo]:A step further towards understanding the Holmlid effect?

[Axil Axil]

Regarding: " Did Holmlid “accidentally” chose a laser frequency which
somehow interferes with quantum entanglement inside protons?"

The application of light to the surface of the ultra dense matter will
naturally generate the formation of polaritons through entanglement. This
formation of a polaritons condensate produces the superconductive,
super-fluidic and quantum mechanically coherent nature of ultra dense mater.

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 6:43 PM JonesBeene  wrote:

>
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/experiment-hints-quantum-entanglement-inside-protons
>
>
> *An experiment hints at quantum entanglement inside protons*
> LHC data suggests the proton’s constituent quarks and gluons share weird
> links
>
> By Emily Conover 
>
>
>
> If the proton’s quarks are held together in part due to quantum
> entanglement, then understanding how that works could point to a  “back
> door” - which allows easy proton annihilation.
>
>
>
> Did Holmlid “accidentally” chose a laser frequency which somehow
> interferes with quantum entanglement inside protons?
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:A step further towards understanding the Holmlid effect?

[Axil Axil]

One of the characteristics of ultra dense material is that it is
superconductive, super-fluidic and quantum mechanically coherent. This
coherent nature could be a linkage mechanism that promotes the
restructuring of quirks into new configurations when the innards of the
proton and the ultra dense material cohere together.

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 6:43 PM JonesBeene  wrote:

>
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/experiment-hints-quantum-entanglement-inside-protons
>
>
> *An experiment hints at quantum entanglement inside protons*
> LHC data suggests the proton’s constituent quarks and gluons share weird
> links
>
> By Emily Conover 
>
>
>
> If the proton’s quarks are held together in part due to quantum
> entanglement, then understanding how that works could point to a  “back
> door” - which allows easy proton annihilation.
>
>
>
> Did Holmlid “accidentally” chose a laser frequency which somehow
> interferes with quantum entanglement inside protons?
>
>
>

[Vo]:A step further towards understanding the Holmlid effect?

[JonesBeene]

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/experiment-hints-quantum-entanglement-inside-protons

An experiment hints at quantum entanglement inside protons
LHC data suggests the proton’s constituent quarks and gluons share weird links
By Emily Conover 

If the proton’s quarks are held together in part due to quantum entanglement, 
then understanding how that works could point to a  “back door” - which allows 
easy proton annihilation.

Did Holmlid “accidentally” chose a laser frequency which somehow interferes 
with quantum entanglement inside protons?

Re: [Vo]:kubas-binding

[tom roarty]

I might try to rope connor in and get him to comment on this.   He's
now our family chemist  (or biologist).   He's graduating BCCC this
week or next.

Tom

On 5/16/19, Roarty, Francis X  wrote:
>
> https://www.theengineer.co.uk/hydrogen-kubas-binding/
>
>


-- 
Thomas Roarty CRNP PMHNP 

Re: [Vo]:Re: GoFundMe: Geiger Counter + Lab Tour to Test Atom-Ecology Claimed Energy Source

[Kevin O'Malley]

I received a quote from Kromek, more than 10k Pounds (I don't have the
symbol for pounds nor euros) and they want to keep the  quote to be
confidential.  This is yet another area where things just don't add
up, where Alan S says it should be $1000 (one thousand American
dollars) but the public quote will be well above 10X that amount.
That's without training.

This is what it costs to get down past the bovine fecal matter.


On 5/12/19, JonesBeene  wrote:
> Why wouldn’t it  would make more sense to contact a company located in
> London who manufacture or sell gamma spectrometers to do the testing using
> one of their own experts?
>
> There must be  one or more companies located in or near London that would
> likely  do this testing for free – for the publicity value. For instance
> here is one:
>
> https://www.kromek.com/
>
> Based on past attempts to fund LENR through these online sites like
> GoFundMe, this effort may not generate much interest - and even if it did,
> wouldn’t it be more credible to use an expert in spectrometry to do the
> measurements – preferably one associated with the maker of the equipment or
> with a University?
>
>  Jones
>
>
> From: Kevin O'Malley
>
> https://www.gofundme.com/8nmynh-geiger?teamInvite=WC66VANcJqCD05UmM6byRPSAQOc6WHY1zMnMFDuwZkswE1QewWCy5ezPYj5IT06O
>
>> Geiger Counter + Lab Tour to Test Atom-Ecology Claimed Energy Source
>
>> I'm setting up a GoFundMe campaign to buy a gamma spectrometer and go
>> to London to test these cells, per Alan's invitation.   It would make
>> sense for someone more qualified to make the visit , take the
>> measurements, and generate the YouTube video.   Hint:   Jed.
>
>
>

RE: [Vo]:Article on Dennis Danzik - Inventor of EarthEngine (magmo)

[JonesBeene]

Well… Actually there is some logic behind scaleup in many endeavors. The iron 
and steel industry were built on economies of scale – for instance, so we know 
it works in situations where the rationale  is not completely clear. ITER is an 
example of having a false rationale due to a  muddled understanding of 
parameters, and represents another extreme in the spectrum of self-delusion. At 
least Danzik has not yet wasted billions.

The gravity machine - RAR – from Brazil, undoubtedly cost millions to supersize 
– and the expense was incurred by people who had operated a successful ongoing 
business so they were self-delusional but likely had more of a rational basis 
than we realize. Inventors are often charismatic beyond all rationality - as 
the Rossi fiasco has shown. 

Plus there were reports that the RAR machine did self-rotate for extended 
periods with no load. Same with a few magmo efforts.

If the magnetic field – in general -  could be boosted by gravity then there is 
some reason to try to scale up a magmo in mass in order  to use gravity - and 
these French researchers are not ignorant of the implications of their findings 
-  but Catch-22,  the benefit of gravity to magnetism is slight – parts per 
thousand.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn2814-earths-magnetic-field-boosts-gravity/

Plus, the Danzik device does not appear to be going in that direction other 
than he indicates the 90 degree PTO is needed. 

In the end, experiment rules. I would love to see a clear exception to the LoT.

Consequently,  I hope the Danzik thing is not another scam, but as of now – he 
has not been able to convince many skeptics.


From: Jed Rothwell

JonesBeene wrote:
 
Nevertheless, I predict that humans will keep on trying to “supersize it”  – 
even as Dennis Danzik adds his name to a long list of failures…

It is odd how people like this think "it will work if only I try it on a large 
scale." Like . . . I don't know, the ITER tokamak reactor? (Ha, ha. They have 
technical reasons for scaling up. Maybe not good ones, but technical.)

There have been many gratuitously scaled up experiments, such as Maxim's 
airplane (https://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1738.htm), and that giant machine that 
is supposedly powered by gravity. In South America? I can't remember where.

Re: [Vo]:Article on Dennis Danzik - Inventor of EarthEngine (magmo)

[Jed Rothwell]

I wrote:


> There have been many gratuitously scaled up experiments, such as Maxim's
> airplane . . .
>

And, of course, Rossi's 1 MW reactor!

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Article on Dennis Danzik - Inventor of EarthEngine (magmo)

[Jed Rothwell]

JonesBeene  wrote:


> Nevertheless, I predict that humans will keep on trying to “supersize it”
>  – even is Dennis Danzik adds his name to a long list of failures…
>

It is odd how people like this think "it will work if only I try it on a
large scale." Like . . . I don't know, the ITER tokamak reactor? (Ha, ha.
They have technical reasons for scaling up. Maybe not good ones, but
technical.)

There have been many gratuitously scaled up experiments, such as Maxim's
airplane (https://www.uh.edu/engines/epi1738.htm), and that giant machine
that is supposedly powered by gravity. In South America? I can't remember
where.

RE: [Vo]:Article on Dennis Danzik - Inventor of EarthEngine (magmo)

[JonesBeene]

BTW – this German patent turns up

https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4304132A1/en

The information in the patent could be instructive – IF – there is any anomaly 
at all in the Danzik device.

They are suggesting a low rpm anomaly – which could involve spin-spin coupling 
interactions on several levels.
---







I agree with Terry that there is no known reason in physics for this device to 
work. 

And… there are lots of reasons including centuries of experience as witnessed 
in a litany of failed attempts - for this kind of device not to work.

Curiously, Terry was involved in a magmo project which was arguably related to 
this one in that it involved a large very mass of very strong magnets.

In both cases, if the experimental  device had indeed worked - and thereby 
violated the LoT (big IF) then… at its most fundamental basis… there would have 
been some kind of “super-size it” effect which converts disorder into order on 
a sufficient scale to pass a thermodynamic tipping point … or so the argument 
goes.

Such a hypothetical negentropy effect -  in the most general terms, would 
somehow employ magnetic precession and unbalanced field effects as an ordering 
principle. The LoT can be viewed as the overriding force for disorder 
(randomness) in nature and the magnetic field itself creates some amount of 
order out of disorder. But so far in human history – no one has been able to 
overcome this tendency for disorder by simply scaling up to a larger mass of 
ordered material.

Nevertheless, I predict that humans will keep on trying to “supersize it”  – 
even if Dennis Danzik adds his name to a long list of failures…

Several tons of ordered mass may not work - but next time someone (with disdain 
for “laws”) will try to assemble several tens of tons 😊


From: Terry Blanton 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article on Dennis Danzik - Inventor of EarthEngine (magmo)

Pulse driven flywheels.  They have a big yellow battery driving them. See 
Bedini.

The magnetic cycle is conservative.

RE: [Vo]:Article on Dennis Danzik - Inventor of EarthEngine (magmo)

[JonesBeene]

I agree with Terry that there is no known reason in physics for this device to 
work. 

And… there are lots of reasons including centuries of experience as witnessed 
in a litany of failed attempts - for this kind of device not to work.

Curiously, Terry was involved in a magmo project which was arguably related to 
this one in that it involved a large very mass of very strong magnets.

In both cases, if the experimental  device had indeed worked - and thereby 
violated the LoT (big IF) then… at its most fundamental basis… there would have 
been some kind of “super-size it” effect which converts disorder into order on 
a sufficient scale to pass athermodynamic tipping point … or so the argument 
goes.

Such a hypothetical negentropy effect -  in the most general terms, would 
somehow employ magnetic precession and unbalanced field effects as an ordering 
principle. The LoT can be viewed as the overriding force for disorder 
(randomness) in nature and the magnetic field itself creates some amount of 
order out of disorder. But so far in human history – no one has been able to 
overcome this tendency for disorder by simply scaling up to a larger mass of 
ordered material.

Nevertheless, I predict that humans will keep on trying to “supersize it”  – 
even is Dennis Danzik adds his name to a long list of failures…

Several tons of ordered mass may not work - but next time someone (with disdain 
for “laws”) will try to assemble several tens of tons 😊


From: Terry Blanton 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article on Dennis Danzik - Inventor of EarthEngine (magmo)

Pulse driven flywheels.  They have a big yellow battery driving them. See 
Bedini.

The magnetic cycle is conservative.