Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
A Bessler Wheel in the form of a toy. Interestingly, Laithwaite came close to solving this with his gyro demonstration at the RI. May the strain be with you. On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 23:00, Jonathan Berry wrote: > Interesting idea. > > And while I don't think there are many things that could be introduced as > a toy (Otis T. Carr's patent aside) ... > Or maybe a perpetual motion toy, albeit if that was cheap enough to be for > kids it would be a toy adults would want even more (executive toys). > > I think that images that manifested a tangible energy-like phenomena that > kids could feel could appeal to at least some parents. > > Of course the designs will have to be less controversial that the top > image which is a swastika (happily not just a Nazi thing and in no way > resembles the Nazi version). > > Of course not all kids can feel the phenomena any more than all adults, > but perhaps the percentage is higher as kids haven't been so heavily > indoctrinated against such ideas yet. > > Maybe at any rate a book for kids and one for adults could be a way to go. > > Maybe a colouring book. > > > > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 09:08, Robin > wrote: > >> In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:11:30 +1200: >> Hi, >> [snip] >> >What would it take for a breakthrough in science? >> >> Most people are instinctively afraid of what they don't understand, so >> they ignore it, and hope it will just go away. >> This is especially true if acceptance implies upsetting their entire >> world view. >> Suggestion: Introduce it as a toy. Toys are something harmless given to >> children to help them become accustomed to life >> in the real world, so people automatically accept toys as harmless, >> because that's what they have experienced all their >> lives. >> As long as the toy works, and is novel, everyone will want one, and >> eventually mainstream science will get around to >> investigating. >> >> > >> >When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing! >> > >> >There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their >> body >> >or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite). >> >This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored. >> >My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no >> >knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares. >> >And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but >> no >> >one cares. Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't >> even >> >give it a moment. >> > >> >So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel >> >isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but >> not >> >much less than that. >> > >> >So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy, >> Antigravity, >> >"Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked. >> >However replication is spott at best (often it seems like winning lottery >> >odds) and the true mechanisms aren't really understood (these two facts >> are >> >related of course). >> > >> >So bleeding edge indeed, technology mankind can reach to the stars with >> is >> >left to languish. >> > >> >These technologies aren't fitting in with the prefered models of science, >> >they aren't favored by those with the money, they are at odds with >> politics >> >and are at odds almost philosophically with much of the world. >> > >> >So what will it take? >> > >> >If a device that produces an effect is expensive or difficult to >> reproduce, >> >too few will, even if those who do reproduce it are successful so what? >> >And one or two poor effort reproductions that fail will throw cold water >> on >> >others who otherwise might. >> > >> >If a device provides an anomaly and needs exotic meters or such, again >> that >> >is going to lead to too few who verify it. >> > >> >Maybe if a device is really cheap and simple to reproduce and provides a >> >readily observed clearly anomalous effect it could do something... >> >But to be honest as long as there is neither a mass of interested people >> >not interested people with money and or the right positions within >> >physics... >> > >> >I am not really sure how humanity is going to advance! >> > >> >This doesn't just relate to my research, this relates to every possible >> >technology Vortex was created to discuss or further. >> > >> >I am not trying to push my designs here, but if anyone wants to fight off >> >incredulity (or is someone who has felt energy from my previous designs) >> >then: >> > >> https://www.reddit.com/r/Aetheric_Engineering/comments/ty1j4f/latest_poll/ >> >Generally it is about 50% feel something, and again no one has been able >> to >> >explain away the multiple events that utterly disprove any conventional >> >explanation. >> > >> >But be it my research or anything else, there is a massive barrier that >> >except for making something useful obvious and cheap and easy to make. or >> >some angel investor or lottery win... >> >I
Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
Jonathan Berry wrote: > Interesting idea And while I don't think there are many things that could > be introduced as a toy (Otis T. Carr's patent aside) ...Or maybe a perpetual > motion toy, albeit if that was cheap enough to be for kids it would be a toy > adults would want even more (executive toys)... ... well. yes if you can attract a cult-like following -- then who knows where it will go ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSdkyrJ3ipY
Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
Interesting idea. And while I don't think there are many things that could be introduced as a toy (Otis T. Carr's patent aside) ... Or maybe a perpetual motion toy, albeit if that was cheap enough to be for kids it would be a toy adults would want even more (executive toys). I think that images that manifested a tangible energy-like phenomena that kids could feel could appeal to at least some parents. Of course the designs will have to be less controversial that the top image which is a swastika (happily not just a Nazi thing and in no way resembles the Nazi version). Of course not all kids can feel the phenomena any more than all adults, but perhaps the percentage is higher as kids haven't been so heavily indoctrinated against such ideas yet. Maybe at any rate a book for kids and one for adults could be a way to go. Maybe a colouring book. On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 at 09:08, Robin wrote: > In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:11:30 +1200: > Hi, > [snip] > >What would it take for a breakthrough in science? > > Most people are instinctively afraid of what they don't understand, so > they ignore it, and hope it will just go away. > This is especially true if acceptance implies upsetting their entire world > view. > Suggestion: Introduce it as a toy. Toys are something harmless given to > children to help them become accustomed to life > in the real world, so people automatically accept toys as harmless, > because that's what they have experienced all their > lives. > As long as the toy works, and is novel, everyone will want one, and > eventually mainstream science will get around to > investigating. > > > > >When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing! > > > >There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their > body > >or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite). > >This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored. > >My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no > >knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares. > >And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but no > >one cares. Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't even > >give it a moment. > > > >So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel > >isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but > not > >much less than that. > > > >So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy, > Antigravity, > >"Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked. > >However replication is spott at best (often it seems like winning lottery > >odds) and the true mechanisms aren't really understood (these two facts > are > >related of course). > > > >So bleeding edge indeed, technology mankind can reach to the stars with is > >left to languish. > > > >These technologies aren't fitting in with the prefered models of science, > >they aren't favored by those with the money, they are at odds with > politics > >and are at odds almost philosophically with much of the world. > > > >So what will it take? > > > >If a device that produces an effect is expensive or difficult to > reproduce, > >too few will, even if those who do reproduce it are successful so what? > >And one or two poor effort reproductions that fail will throw cold water > on > >others who otherwise might. > > > >If a device provides an anomaly and needs exotic meters or such, again > that > >is going to lead to too few who verify it. > > > >Maybe if a device is really cheap and simple to reproduce and provides a > >readily observed clearly anomalous effect it could do something... > >But to be honest as long as there is neither a mass of interested people > >not interested people with money and or the right positions within > >physics... > > > >I am not really sure how humanity is going to advance! > > > >This doesn't just relate to my research, this relates to every possible > >technology Vortex was created to discuss or further. > > > >I am not trying to push my designs here, but if anyone wants to fight off > >incredulity (or is someone who has felt energy from my previous designs) > >then: > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/Aetheric_Engineering/comments/ty1j4f/latest_poll/ > >Generally it is about 50% feel something, and again no one has been able > to > >explain away the multiple events that utterly disprove any conventional > >explanation. > > > >But be it my research or anything else, there is a massive barrier that > >except for making something useful obvious and cheap and easy to make. or > >some angel investor or lottery win... > >I just don't see anything changing! > > > >I get it when things aren't provable, but when they are how do so many > >ignore results? > >Then again, I see the same occurring with natural/alternative medicine > even > >when the success rates are high. > >Or indeed reasons to avoid vaccines that were rushed experimental novel > and > >based on the toxic part
Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke
On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 1:23 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > H LV wrote: > > However, there has been a big push to instead choose more efficient heat >> pumps. The Canadian Institute for Climate Choices report found that to >> drive deeper emissions cuts, the switch to heat pumps "would play an >> essential and growing role."" >> > > As I said, I am surprised heat pumps work effectively in Canada. It seems > too cold. I think my heat pump in Atlanta cuts out below 40 deg F, and the > aux gas heater comes on. See: > > > https://www.estesair.com/blog/at-what-temperature-does-a-heat-pump-quit-working-efficiently > > Heat pumps do not operate as efficiently when temperatures drop to between > 25 and 40 degrees Fahrenheit for most systems. > > A heat pump works best when the temperature is above 40. Once outdoor > temperatures drop to 40 degrees, heat pumps start losing efficiency, and > they consume more energy to do their jobs. When temperatures fall to 25 to > 30 degrees, a heat pump loses its spot as the most efficient heating option > for an Atlanta home. > > Apparently heat pumps have improved a lot over the last decade. This article says they now work well down to -10F or lower. https://rmi.org/heat-pumps-a-practical-solution-for-cold-climates/ Harry
Re: [Vo]:What would it take?
In reply to Jonathan Berry's message of Wed, 13 Apr 2022 01:11:30 +1200: Hi, [snip] >What would it take for a breakthrough in science? Most people are instinctively afraid of what they don't understand, so they ignore it, and hope it will just go away. This is especially true if acceptance implies upsetting their entire world view. Suggestion: Introduce it as a toy. Toys are something harmless given to children to help them become accustomed to life in the real world, so people automatically accept toys as harmless, because that's what they have experienced all their lives. As long as the toy works, and is novel, everyone will want one, and eventually mainstream science will get around to investigating. > >When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing! > >There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their body >or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite). >This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored. >My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no >knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares. >And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but no >one cares. Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't even >give it a moment. > >So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel >isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but not >much less than that. > >So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy, Antigravity, >"Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked. >However replication is spott at best (often it seems like winning lottery >odds) and the true mechanisms aren't really understood (these two facts are >related of course). > >So bleeding edge indeed, technology mankind can reach to the stars with is >left to languish. > >These technologies aren't fitting in with the prefered models of science, >they aren't favored by those with the money, they are at odds with politics >and are at odds almost philosophically with much of the world. > >So what will it take? > >If a device that produces an effect is expensive or difficult to reproduce, >too few will, even if those who do reproduce it are successful so what? >And one or two poor effort reproductions that fail will throw cold water on >others who otherwise might. > >If a device provides an anomaly and needs exotic meters or such, again that >is going to lead to too few who verify it. > >Maybe if a device is really cheap and simple to reproduce and provides a >readily observed clearly anomalous effect it could do something... >But to be honest as long as there is neither a mass of interested people >not interested people with money and or the right positions within >physics... > >I am not really sure how humanity is going to advance! > >This doesn't just relate to my research, this relates to every possible >technology Vortex was created to discuss or further. > >I am not trying to push my designs here, but if anyone wants to fight off >incredulity (or is someone who has felt energy from my previous designs) >then: >https://www.reddit.com/r/Aetheric_Engineering/comments/ty1j4f/latest_poll/ >Generally it is about 50% feel something, and again no one has been able to >explain away the multiple events that utterly disprove any conventional >explanation. > >But be it my research or anything else, there is a massive barrier that >except for making something useful obvious and cheap and easy to make. or >some angel investor or lottery win... >I just don't see anything changing! > >I get it when things aren't provable, but when they are how do so many >ignore results? >Then again, I see the same occurring with natural/alternative medicine even >when the success rates are high. >Or indeed reasons to avoid vaccines that were rushed experimental novel and >based on the toxic part of the virus and has details they wanted secret for >75 years... That still many took >Or reasons to question how a building could fall at free fall >speeds through still standing structure as though it offered the same >structural resistance as air. > >And while there is no obvious solution to the alien/ufo subject that makes >coherent sense, when respected scientists consider the Fermi Paradox they >generally utterly deny the absolute masses of evidence we have for aliens >as though it doesn't even deserve a few seconds to discount. > >We have a seriously strange world if you choose to look at it objectively. > > >Jonathan If no one clicked on ads companies would stop paying for them. :)
Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke
H LV wrote: However, there has been a big push to instead choose more efficient heat > pumps. The Canadian Institute for Climate Choices report found that to > drive deeper emissions cuts, the switch to heat pumps "would play an > essential and growing role."" > As I said, I am surprised heat pumps work effectively in Canada. It seems too cold. I think my heat pump in Atlanta cuts out below 40 deg F, and the aux gas heater comes on. See: https://www.estesair.com/blog/at-what-temperature-does-a-heat-pump-quit-working-efficiently Heat pumps do not operate as efficiently when temperatures drop to between 25 and 40 degrees Fahrenheit for most systems. A heat pump works best when the temperature is above 40. Once outdoor temperatures drop to 40 degrees, heat pumps start losing efficiency, and they consume more energy to do their jobs. When temperatures fall to 25 to 30 degrees, a heat pump loses its spot as the most efficient heating option for an Atlanta home.
[Vo]:​Generating Light from Darkness
This uses the thermoelectric effect and radiative cooling at night to power an LED. However, if cooling radiation is real then it should be possible to concentrate it from the sky onto the top of the device and produce a greater temperature difference and therefore more electricity. Harry Generating Light from Darkness MARCH 19, 2020 https://www.energy.gov/science/bes/articles/generating-light-darkness paper https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S254243511930412X
Re: [Vo]:This smells like an April 1 joke
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:48 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > H LV wrote: > > Oil and gas furnaces are now being banned in new construction projects in >> parts of Canada. >> > > What are they installing instead? Surely heat pumps don't work in most of > Canada. > > Are they putting in resistance heaters? Those are extremely efficient. I > find it hard to believe they would be mandated. > > The bans in Canada are in Vancouver and Quebec. The same article mentions bans in other countries. https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/bans-fossil-fuel-heating-homes-1.6327113 quote "In most cases, fossil fuel combustion is being replaced with electric heating. That can include more traditional but less efficient options, such as baseboard heaters and electric furnaces. However, there has been a big push to instead choose more efficient heat pumps. The Canadian Institute for Climate Choices report found that to drive deeper emissions cuts, the switch to heat pumps "would play an essential and growing role."" Harry
[Vo]:What would it take?
What would it take for a breakthrough in science? When I run through the scenarios it is pretty depressing! There are people who move manifest "Chi" type energy either with their body or with technology (pyramids, orgone accumulators, orgonite). This cannot be discounted by science, but it can be ignored. My own coils and image designs have been felt by people who have had no knowledge (not placebo) but no one cares. And I have found which cup of 10 cups has the coil placed under it, but no one cares. Cannot be explained away but most on even this list won't even give it a moment. So demonstration of a sensation that many (but not everyone) will feel isn't going to cut it, maybe if it was compellingly strong for 99%, but not much less than that. So we also have many people who have demonstrated Free Energy, Antigravity, "Cold fusion", and in the whole these cannot be fully debunked. However replication is spott at best (often it seems like winning lottery odds) and the true mechanisms aren't really understood (these two facts are related of course). So bleeding edge indeed, technology mankind can reach to the stars with is left to languish. These technologies aren't fitting in with the prefered models of science, they aren't favored by those with the money, they are at odds with politics and are at odds almost philosophically with much of the world. So what will it take? If a device that produces an effect is expensive or difficult to reproduce, too few will, even if those who do reproduce it are successful so what? And one or two poor effort reproductions that fail will throw cold water on others who otherwise might. If a device provides an anomaly and needs exotic meters or such, again that is going to lead to too few who verify it. Maybe if a device is really cheap and simple to reproduce and provides a readily observed clearly anomalous effect it could do something... But to be honest as long as there is neither a mass of interested people not interested people with money and or the right positions within physics... I am not really sure how humanity is going to advance! This doesn't just relate to my research, this relates to every possible technology Vortex was created to discuss or further. I am not trying to push my designs here, but if anyone wants to fight off incredulity (or is someone who has felt energy from my previous designs) then: https://www.reddit.com/r/Aetheric_Engineering/comments/ty1j4f/latest_poll/ Generally it is about 50% feel something, and again no one has been able to explain away the multiple events that utterly disprove any conventional explanation. But be it my research or anything else, there is a massive barrier that except for making something useful obvious and cheap and easy to make. or some angel investor or lottery win... I just don't see anything changing! I get it when things aren't provable, but when they are how do so many ignore results? Then again, I see the same occurring with natural/alternative medicine even when the success rates are high. Or indeed reasons to avoid vaccines that were rushed experimental novel and based on the toxic part of the virus and has details they wanted secret for 75 years... That still many took Or reasons to question how a building could fall at free fall speeds through still standing structure as though it offered the same structural resistance as air. And while there is no obvious solution to the alien/ufo subject that makes coherent sense, when respected scientists consider the Fermi Paradox they generally utterly deny the absolute masses of evidence we have for aliens as though it doesn't even deserve a few seconds to discount. We have a seriously strange world if you choose to look at it objectively. Jonathan
