Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured
Clearly the generator at the back end is meant to carry clubs. http://ut-images.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/msl.jpg On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:28 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Curiosity serves as his robotic caddy. On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think Obama played a round of golf while visiting Mars?
Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured
If it is possible that Pi contains a coded version of the complete works of Shakesoeare, then is it possible that Pi already contains a different coded message, which we will never detect as long as the natural language of this different message remains unknown to us? Harry On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 3:06 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:43 AM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect there is an invalid assumption about randomness that we are making when we go along with the old thought experiment of a corps of eternally typing monkeys eventually producing Shakespeare's folio or imagining that the folio can be found at some point transcoded in the decimals of Pi. I wonder if there is already a mathematical proof out there to the effect that the latter is an impossibility. I suspect you are not fully appreciating what endless and non-repetitive means. If it never can end and does so without repeating then eventually in the fullness of infinity every long shot must occur. (actually, only if it is random. So the monkeys might win out) And with less frequency, every really really long shot must occur. What Monkeys or Pi writing Shakespeare actually implies however makes lite of just how long the search will go in each case before success, which is so inconceivably long, the scale of volume of the universe to Plank length falls impossibly short of conveying the immenseness of the time it would take in either case compared to say the believed age of the universe. And only after every other book that has or could be written pops up first, and of course almost but not quite perfect versions would pop up also. Every extra character required will multiply the task of how far you will need to go through Pi. Of course you are right about one thing, in theory it is possible that it might never occur. I do not know, does 86 show up in the first 20 digits of Pi? the first 100 digits? For that matter does it show up at all? There is nothing meaning it must, ever. But then again that becomes an increasingly improbably longshot the further you search. 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286 Ah, didn't take long. Actually it is possible that I am all wrong since Pi is not random. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXoh6vi6J5U Fun video. I have not seen the video, You should. But it is worth mentioning that non-zoomed in and slowed down versions do not reveal the activity as far as I can make out. Which might mean that we the were to be zoomed and slowed we could check the validity of what the other version shows.
[Vo]:green electricity
Can you get greener than this? ;-) Stanford Report, April 13, 2010 Stanford researchers find electrical current stemming from plants Stanford engineers have generated electrical current by tapping into the electron activity in individual algae cells. Photosynthesis excites electrons, which can then be turned into an electrical current using a specially designed gold electrode. This study could be the first step toward carbon-free electricity directly from plants. http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/april/electric-current-plants-041310.html - Harry
Re: [Vo]:Defkalion GT experimental data available to selected members of the LENR research community
There must be poor-man technics that would get you part way there. The regularity and number of cracks would not be ideal, but at least it would be enough to test your theory. Harry On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: My theory predicts that replication will only occur when the required gaps are made by nanomachining or growth of nanomaterials having the preformed required structure. All ordinary material makes cracks by a random process that is totally uncontrolled and unpredictable. Unfortunately, such machining requires money and skill that are not available to people in the field. Ed On Feb 17, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: So ... we all look forward to when your theory allows the effect to be replicated at will. When will that be? It seems that the closest person to reach this goal is Hagelstein who says he will send out NANOR samples to be replicated, or maybe Celani. On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: However, a useful theory would allow the active conditions to be described and created. This ability would allow the effect to be replicated at will. This ability would attract funding.
Re: [Vo]:Strategy Principles
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Commenting on the content of the Nasa patent as follows: ‘The material system may comprise a metal hydride. The electrically-conductive material may be in a form selected from the group consisting of particles and whiskers.’ Clearly the theory that this revelation implies is apparent. Nasa even uses the word Polarition in its patent; what can be more obvious? I was about to castigate an eminent LENR researcher and experimentalist for not seeing the truth in this insight from Nasa and configure an experiment to validate this concept. Then a rare attack of prudence came over me; before I asked others to do something, how would I go about doing it myself? First, the answer to the LENR puzzle is centralized in the formation of micro-particles with whiskers on them. But then I contemplated; how would I do what I wanted others to do; that is, to produce the optimum particle configuration? This is a congenital problem that the theorists have. That is, understanding the practical challenges that the experimentalists face. A crack and a whisker are identically the same topologically. We can create cracks by manufacturing whiskers on or nanorods coating the surface of a micro-particle. Between the whiskers, cracks are formed. here is something about nickel whiskers click Look inside http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1018549318109?LI=true# Harry
Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured
Note the blury object on the left just below the meteor's tail, which appears to catch up to the meteor. Harry On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: What is so unusual about this video? The meteor exploded, which sent fragments in all directions, including straight ahead as the video shows. As for shooting down an object slowing from 17000 mph in the atmosphere, where is the common sense? Ed On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Jones Beene wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-octPHs9gcsfeature=player_embedded#t=0s NASA failed to mention the surprising activity that seems to show up in this Russian video, in slo-mo. The video could have been altered - with the addition of a fast moving object that seems to impact with the object to make it explode (at about 27 seconds). Since the original story of a missile shoot-down came from Russian military, why not give it some credence? Unless of course it can be shown that this video was altered. NASA's blog states: Asteroid DA14's trajectory is in the opposite direction 180 degrees is pretty far from 90 degrees. What is your cite, Terry?
Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:16 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I believe he's referring to the appearance of a glowing object approaching from _behind_ the main mass that correlates in time and direction to the ejection of fragments with its disappearance into the main mass. Yes, we're talking delta-velocities that are outside of plausible explanation by ballistic missiles or any other known propulsion technology. Ignoring the out-going fragments, the most plausible explanation I can come up with for this approach-from-behind object is modification of the source footage. An optical artifact doesn't cut it due to the time correlation with the expulsion of fragments unless someone can come up with a optical artifact that would also explain those fragments. According to this wikipedia entry the russian's posses a missle that could have conceivably intercepted the meteor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2UTTKh_Topol-M The first stage has three rocket motors developed by the Soyuz Federal Center for Dual-Use Technologies. This gives the missile a much higher acceleration than other ICBM types. It enables the missile to accelerate to the speed of 7,320 m/s and to travel a flatter trajectory to distances of up to 10,000 km harry
Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured
A comparable nuclear blast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paCUhiUxxIw Seems the spectators found it thrilling. harry On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Resend with this addition: NASA says meteor was nuclear-like in its intensity. Maybe they know something. http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/15/16969092-nuclear-like-in-its-i ntensity-russian-meteor-blast-is-the-largest-since-1908?lite Ed, Near the end of the video at 26-27 seconds - where the slow motion starts - a pointed object can be seen barreling into the meteor - following which, it explodes. That object is a little too perfect to be believed, but it is intriguing if not faked. This is consistent with an air launched ABM which generally have small nuclear warheads (briefcase size). This would account for the rapid acceleration of debris following the explosion. An ABM missile developed in the USA called Sprint was reported to have achieved 21,000 mph at high altitude. That missile had an official speed of mach 10 in the lower atmosphere and was nuclear tipped. Consequently - this high speed is within the realm of common sense for a ABM launched from a high altitude interceptor. Plus this region where the incident occurred is the most secret and sensitive in all of Russia - it is their Oak Ridge and Hanford. That would explain why an interceptor would have been operational at this time. It could have been a precaution against the other, larger meteorite. BTW, that Sprint missile was early 1990s - twenty years old and yet it could conceivably have shot down (nuked) a meteorite in some circumstance - if one is not concerned about the repercussions and radioactivity. Consequently - it is remotely possible the Russians have am ABM which is fast enough - at least when launched at high altitude; and that they would be willing to use it to protect a very sensitive region. The most likely explanation, of course, is that the video was faked. But that explanation lacks the drama of a shoot down and after all, there was a Military Officer quoted as saying we shot it down... within hours of the incident... but that quote was not from Pravda - closer to the Russian equivalent of Fox. From: Edmund Storms What is so unusual about this video? The meteor exploded, which sent fragments in all directions, including straight ahead as the video shows. As for shooting down an object slowing from 17000 mph in the atmosphere, where is the common sense? Ed On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Jones Beene wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-octPHs9gcsfeature=player_embedded#t=0s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-octPHs9gcsfeature=player_embedded NASA failed to mention the surprising activity that seems to show up in this Russian video, in slo-mo. The video could have been altered - with the addition of a fast moving object that seems to impact with the object to make it explode (at about 27 seconds). Since the original story of a missile shoot-down came from Russian military, why not give it some credence?
Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured
I don't think it was intercepted, but I am not convinced by the argument that it was technically impossible. Harry On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Please apply some common sense. The object was too small to detect and was totally unexpected. Even if it was detected with enough time to launch a missile, why do this? Ed On Feb 17, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 3:16 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: I believe he's referring to the appearance of a glowing object approaching from _behind_ the main mass that correlates in time and direction to the ejection of fragments with its disappearance into the main mass. Yes, we're talking delta-velocities that are outside of plausible explanation by ballistic missiles or any other known propulsion technology. Ignoring the out-going fragments, the most plausible explanation I can come up with for this approach-from-behind object is modification of the source footage. An optical artifact doesn't cut it due to the time correlation with the expulsion of fragments unless someone can come up with a optical artifact that would also explain those fragments. According to this wikipedia entry the russian's posses a missle that could have conceivably intercepted the meteor. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-2UTTKh_Topol-M The first stage has three rocket motors developed by the Soyuz Federal Center for Dual-Use Technologies. This gives the missile a much higher acceleration than other ICBM types. It enables the missile to accelerate to the speed of 7,320 m/s and to travel a flatter trajectory to distances of up to 10,000 km harry
Re: [Vo]:better video of alleged meteor shoot down
check the comments below the video... clearly the fragments are UFO ejection pods. ;-) Harry On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZzG881Vii8 I don't think this could be photoshopped frame by frame so well, and so quickly, but who knows... given the economic realities in Russia, a bunch of twenty something geeks with nothing better to do, and the promise of YT monetization ... yeah they could pull it off.
Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured
http://www.amusingplanet.com/2008/07/how-to-watch-nuclear-explosion.html Harry On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: A remastered version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNx67QjUHxU 2013/2/17 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com That explosion is way, way too small. It look like to have at most 1kt-2kt. That meteor exploded with 500x that energy. It should be something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvW0N-cFexM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2fSMJkMK5M 2013/2/17 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com A comparable nuclear blast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paCUhiUxxIw Seems the spectators found it thrilling. harry On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Resend with this addition: NASA says meteor was nuclear-like in its intensity. Maybe they know something. http://cosmiclog.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/15/16969092-nuclear-like-in-its-i ntensity-russian-meteor-blast-is-the-largest-since-1908?lite Ed, Near the end of the video at 26-27 seconds - where the slow motion starts - a pointed object can be seen barreling into the meteor - following which, it explodes. That object is a little too perfect to be believed, but it is intriguing if not faked. This is consistent with an air launched ABM which generally have small nuclear warheads (briefcase size). This would account for the rapid acceleration of debris following the explosion. An ABM missile developed in the USA called Sprint was reported to have achieved 21,000 mph at high altitude. That missile had an official speed of mach 10 in the lower atmosphere and was nuclear tipped. Consequently - this high speed is within the realm of common sense for a ABM launched from a high altitude interceptor. Plus this region where the incident occurred is the most secret and sensitive in all of Russia - it is their Oak Ridge and Hanford. That would explain why an interceptor would have been operational at this time. It could have been a precaution against the other, larger meteorite. BTW, that Sprint missile was early 1990s - twenty years old and yet it could conceivably have shot down (nuked) a meteorite in some circumstance - if one is not concerned about the repercussions and radioactivity. Consequently - it is remotely possible the Russians have am ABM which is fast enough - at least when launched at high altitude; and that they would be willing to use it to protect a very sensitive region. The most likely explanation, of course, is that the video was faked. But that explanation lacks the drama of a shoot down and after all, there was a Military Officer quoted as saying we shot it down... within hours of the incident... but that quote was not from Pravda - closer to the Russian equivalent of Fox. From: Edmund Storms What is so unusual about this video? The meteor exploded, which sent fragments in all directions, including straight ahead as the video shows. As for shooting down an object slowing from 17000 mph in the atmosphere, where is the common sense? Ed On Feb 17, 2013, at 7:17 AM, Jones Beene wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-octPHs9gcsfeature=player_embedded#t=0s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-octPHs9gcsfeature=player_embedded NASA failed to mention the surprising activity that seems to show up in this Russian video, in slo-mo. The video could have been altered - with the addition of a fast moving object that seems to impact with the object to make it explode (at about 27 seconds). Since the original story of a missile shoot-down came from Russian military, why not give it some credence? -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured
On July 19, 1957, five men stood at Ground Zero of an atomic test that was being conducted at the Nevada Test Site. This was the test of a 2KT (kiloton) MB-1 nuclear air-to-air rocket launched from an F-89 Scorpion interceptor. The nuclear missile detonated 10,000 ft above their heads. A reel-to-reel tape recorder was present to record their experience. You can see and hear the men react to the shock wave moments after the detonation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlE1BdOAfVc Harry
Re: [Vo]:Science Set Free
A link to the book by Thomas Nagel mentioned by Sheldrake in his talk. http://www.amazon.ca/Mind-Cosmos-Materialist-Neo-Darwinian-Conception/dp/0199919755/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1361040962sr=8-1 Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False Thomas Nagel Book Description Publication Date: Sep 6 2012 In Mind and Cosmos Thomas Nagel argues that the widely accepted world view of materialist naturalism is untenable. The mind-body problem cannot be confined to the relation between animal minds and animal bodies. If materialism cannot accommodate consciousness and other mind-related aspects of reality, then we must abandon a purely materialist understanding of nature in general, extending to biology, evolutionary theory, and cosmology. Since minds are features of biological systems that have developed through evolution, the standard materialist version of evolutionary biology is fundamentally incomplete. And the cosmological history that led to the origin of life and the coming into existence of the conditions for evolution cannot be a merely materialist history. An adequate conception of nature would have to explain the appearance in the universe of materially irreducible conscious minds, as such. No such explanation is available, and the physical sciences, including molecular biology, cannot be expected to provide one. The book explores these problems through a general treatment of the obstacles to reductionism, with more specific application to the phenomena of consciousness, cognition, and value. The conclusion is that physics cannot be the theory of everything. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Science Set Free
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_and_Cosmos Mind and Cosmos: Why the Materialist Neo-Darwinian Conception of Nature is Almost Certainly False is a 2012 book by Thomas Nagel, Professor of Philosophy at New York University. Overview In the book, Nagel argues that the materialist version of evolutionary biology is unable to account for the existence of mind and consciousness, and is therefore at best incomplete. He writes that mind is a basic aspect of nature, and that any philosophy of nature that cannot account for it is fundamentally misguided.[1] He argues that the standard physico-chemical reductionist account of the emergence of life – that it emerged out of a series of accidents, acted upon by the mechanism of natural selection — flies in the face of common sense.[2] Nagel's position is that principles of an entirely different kind may account for the emergence of life, and in particular conscious life, and that those principles may be teleological, rather than materialist or mechanistic. He stresses that his argument is not a religious one (he is an atheist), and that it is not based on the theory of intelligent design (ID), though he also writes that ID proponents such as Michael Behe, Stephen Meyer, and David Berlinski do not deserve the scorn with which their ideas have been met by the overwhelming majority of the scientific establishment.[3] Harry
[Vo]:OT: Lead poisoning could really be A cause of violent crime
Yes, lead poisoning could really be a cause of violent crime It seems crazy, but the evidence about lead is stacking up. Behind crimes that have destroyed so many lives, is there a much greater crime? At first it seemed preposterous. The hypothesis was so exotic that I laughed. The rise and fall of violent crime during the second half of the 20th century and first years of the 21st were caused, it proposed, not by changes in policing or imprisonment, single parenthood, recession, crack cocaine or the legalisation of abortion, but mainly by … lead. I don't mean bullets. The crime waves that afflicted many parts of the world and then, against all predictions, collapsed, were ascribed, in an article published by Mother Jones last week, to the rise and fall in the use of lead-based paint and leaded petrol. It's ridiculous – until you see the evidence. Studies between cities, states and nations show that the rise and fall in crime follows, with a roughly 20-year lag, the rise and fall in the exposure of infants to trace quantities of lead. But all that gives us is correlation: an association that could be coincidental. The Mother Jones article, which is based on several scientific papers, claimed causation. more... http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jan/07/violent-crime-lead-poisoning-british-export Harry
Re: [Vo]:OT: Lead poisoning could really be A cause of violent crime
I posted this after hearing a radio show about the research. That showed focused on the possible causes of the decline of crime in New York city during the 1990s. Mayor Rudy Giuliani's no-broken window policy is usually cited as the cause, but the researcher argues it may simply have be a delayed effect of the declining lead level which began in the Mid 1970s. Harry On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: There has been good evidence of this for many years. There is a horrifying example of an apartment complex built over a highway in the 1950s, exposed to the fumes of the cars with leaded gasoline. Large number of children raised there became violent. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: MFMP Null Result
Is it because you use temperature values on the exterior of the cell and they don't when calculating excess power? harry On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 10:39 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It is not what I wanted to see Harry. I was expecting to calculate plenty of excess power right up until I ran the program. Another guy performed a correction upon the data that was being used by the MFMP group where he compensated for the pressure drop occurring as the hydrogen escapes the envelop and came up with results that match mine. I hope we are both wrong and they can test that by adding back additional hydrogen pressure. So far that has not been done, so we all await patiently. Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Feb 10, 2013 10:17 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: MFMP Null Result My questions, concerns and speculations about method arise because I find it baffling that your estimate and MFMP team's estimate of excess Power can be so different. Harry
[Vo]:OT:Meteorite Fragments Are Said to Rain Down on Siberia; 400 Injuries Reported
Meteorite Fragments Are Said to Rain Down on Siberia; 400 Injuries Reported http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/16/world/europe/meteorite-fragments-are-said-to-rain-down-on-siberia.html Harry
Re: [Vo]:OT:Meteorite Fragments Are Said to Rain Down on Siberia; 400 Injuries Reported
some video http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/15/video-captures-flaming-object-believed-to-be-meteorite/ Harry On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Meteorite Fragments Are Said to Rain Down on Siberia; 400 Injuries Reported http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/16/world/europe/meteorite-fragments-are-said-to-rain-down-on-siberia.html Harry
Re: [Vo]:Science Set Free
In other words your God is an experimentalist., or what you call Nature. Harry On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I agree, but as has been noted many times before, Nature always tests all possibilities until the one that works is found. Presumably, our universe is here because it worked. We humans are here because we survived the tests used by Nature to determine what works. Presumably, many life-forms having greater awareness exist throughout the universe. Any life-form that fails the test is eliminated, both on a personal level as well as on a planet-sized level without any consideration by a Creator. That's my opinion. On Feb 15, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: The laws of physics derive from a slight alteration of the perfect symmetry of nothing. Symmetry is the most fundamental principle of natural law. No much space for patchwork universe there. Giovanni On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: I have always been interested in how people describe a Creator. Are you claiming that the universe resulted from some super intelligent life-form getting the idea that a new universe would be an interesting project and then set about creating it? Or is the idea of a creator an abstract simplification of a process that would have occurred regardless of any intent? Too often the idea is applied to mankind as a reason why we are so special. Or at a more childish level, that God is here to answer our requests for personal protection or to help win sporting events. At which level are you describing the Creator and what use is the concept to anyone? Ed On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:56 AM, Chris Zell wrote: Dawkins is an example of 'atheist theology' (oxymoron). He seems to desire a neat, ordered, understandable world without any Creator behind it. He extends traditional moral concerns to general society, as if they still had a Divine authority behind them. Why is objective truth important? Why aren't some lies better? I prefer to think that the lack of a Creator suggests that we should expect a sort of patchwork universe, full of paradoxes and anomalies - such as Feyerabend suggested. It would make a lot more sense - and might lead us into unexpected discoveries.
Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured
On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 12:14 PM 2/15/2013, you wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:22 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Obvious question: Was the vector correlated with that of the earth approaching asteroid? No, they were almost perpendicular. Pure and delightful coincidence. That was my first thought. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/meteorite-injures-more-than-900-in- russian-city/2013/02/15/ff67c624-7770-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html?wprss=r ss_europe Sergei Zakharov, regional branch chairman of the Russian Geographic Society, told the Interfax news agency that three explosions occurred as the meteor blew apart. “Judging by my observations, the fireball was flying from southeast to northwest,” he said. “A bright flare of more than 2,500 degrees [Celsius] happened before the three explosions. The first explosion was the strongest.” - - - - - My quick take (partly copied from elsewhere) Consider a small object (in this case the meteor) orbiting a large object (asteroid), as seen from above the orbit. If the orbital velocity of the meteor round the asteroid is small, then the trajectory of the meteor will look like a sine wave around the trajectory of the asteroid. (Similarly, the trajectory of the moon looks like a sine wave superimposed on the orbit of the earth). I thought so too 25 years ago, when my instructor in an introductory course on astronomy asked us what we thought the trajectory of the moon is around the sun. It is actually a curve which is always convex... http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/teaching/convex.html It is not a circle, but is close to a 12-gon with rounded corners. It is locally convex in the sense that it has no loops and the curvature never changes sign. harry
Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured
also it was 28 years ago. Harry On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Alexander Hollins alexander.holl...@gmail.com wrote: ignore me, i just realized the error in my mental model. On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Alexander Hollins alexander.holl...@gmail.com wrote: The Moon makes about 13 revolutions in the course of a year. revolutions around what? On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: At 12:14 PM 2/15/2013, you wrote: On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 2:22 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: Obvious question: Was the vector correlated with that of the earth approaching asteroid? No, they were almost perpendicular. Pure and delightful coincidence. That was my first thought. http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/meteorite-injures-more-than-900-in- russian-city/2013/02/15/ff67c624-7770-11e2-aa12-e6cf1d31106b_story.html?wprss=r ss_europe Sergei Zakharov, regional branch chairman of the Russian Geographic Society, told the Interfax news agency that three explosions occurred as the meteor blew apart. “Judging by my observations, the fireball was flying from southeast to northwest,” he said. “A bright flare of more than 2,500 degrees [Celsius] happened before the three explosions. The first explosion was the strongest.” - - - - - My quick take (partly copied from elsewhere) Consider a small object (in this case the meteor) orbiting a large object (asteroid), as seen from above the orbit. If the orbital velocity of the meteor round the asteroid is small, then the trajectory of the meteor will look like a sine wave around the trajectory of the asteroid. (Similarly, the trajectory of the moon looks like a sine wave superimposed on the orbit of the earth). I thought so too 25 years ago, when my instructor in an introductory course on astronomy asked us what we thought the trajectory of the moon is around the sun. It is actually a curve which is always convex... http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/teaching/convex.html It is not a circle, but is close to a 12-gon with rounded corners. It is locally convex in the sense that it has no loops and the curvature never changes sign. harry
Re: [Vo]:Science Set Free
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Rupert Sheldrake is sometimes annoying to conventional science. Published late last month this talk in two parts is amusing at times; but, always thought provoking. One topic Vorts will find interesting in the first part are the human calorimetry studies by Paul Webb performed for the US government. Did you know that we are all violators of the 2LoT? As long as science refuses to acknowledge its own dogmas, one can expect political blowback... http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/02/missouri-bill-redefines-science-gives-equal-time-to-intelligent-design/ Harry
Re: [Vo]:Bose Einstein Condensate formed at Room Temperature
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: As for my theory, I find that most people do not understand what I'm actually describing. They superimpose their own ideas with great confidence rather than understand what I describe even though I try to be very clear. Consequently, I have been writing a series of papers in an attempt to keep up with the confusion and explain what I'm actually proposing. Please post again a link to your explanation. Thanks, Harry
[Vo]:Ed Storms explanation of LENR
The papers in vortex-l hard to find so I went to the lenr-canr.org library and found them. An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) - 2012 http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEanexplanat.pdf An Approach to Explaining Cold Fusion - 2012 http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEanapproach.pdf Harry On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: The papers were posted to vortex and to an e-mail by Jed just a few minutes ago. Ed On Feb 12, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: As for my theory, I find that most people do not understand what I'm actually describing. They superimpose their own ideas with great confidence rather than understand what I describe even though I try to be very clear. Consequently, I have been writing a series of papers in an attempt to keep up with the confusion and explain what I'm actually proposing. Please post again a link to your explanation. Thanks, Harry
Re: [Vo]:Ed Storms explanation of LENR
BTW, I posted the first link as well as a link to JCMNS in a facebook group for people interested in the neutron scattering research in Canada and around the world. Harry On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: The papers in vortex-l hard to find so I went to the lenr-canr.org library and found them. An Explanation of Low-energy Nuclear Reactions (Cold Fusion) - 2012 http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEanexplanat.pdf An Approach to Explaining Cold Fusion - 2012 http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/StormsEanapproach.pdf Harry
Re: [Vo]:OT: Invention of the Daguerreotype
No, I did not know that. Bayard protested the injustice by posing as a drowned man and photographing himself. This helped him to recover from the treacherous treatment and he continued to practice photography and it sounds like he was well known while he was alive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippolyte_Bayard Despite his initial hardships in photography, Bayard continued to be a productive member of the photographic society. He was a founding member of the French Society of Photography. Bayard was also one of the first photographers to be commissioned to document and preserve architecture and historical sites in France for the Missions Héliographiques in 1851 by the Historic Monument Commission. He used a paper photographic process similar to the one he developed to take pictures for the Commission. Additionally, he suggested combining two negatives to properly expose the sky and then the landscape or building, an idea known as combination printing which began being used in the 1850s harry On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Michael Foster mf...@yahoo.com wrote: As with any significant and potentially profitable new technology, there is a storm of treachery, theft, false claims and injustice surrounding it. The Daguerreotype is a prime example. Francois Arago, president of the French Academy of Science, convinced Hyppolyte Bayard to delay publishing his invention of photography, which predated that of Daguerre. Arago did this under the ruse of protecting Bayard. Arago did this because he wanted his friend, Daguerre, to get all the credit, the glory, and the money. It worked. I'll bet this is first any of you have heard of poor Mr. Bayard. Arago's scheme to award Daguerre a pension for making the Daguerreotype process free to the world was a nasty cold-hearted way to eliminate any profits Bayard may have made from patents. In the end, neither Bayard's or Daguerre's processes had any long term practical use, because they both required very long exposures and neither process could be used to make copies. These days, I can't imagine the reaction to a photographic process that requires development in mercury fumes as does the Daguerreotype. --- On Sun, 2/10/13, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com Subject: [Vo]:OT: Invention of the Daguerreotype To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, February 10, 2013, 9:55 AM This shows it is possible for an inventor of a culturally significant technology to receive recognition and compensation without patent protection. Harry It changed everything The Daguerreotype: Photographic Processes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmm90yhhuJM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daguerreotype Since the late Renaissance, artists and inventors had been looking for a mechanical method of capturing visual scenes.[17] Previously, using the camera obscura, artists would manually trace what they saw, or use the optical image in the camera as a basis for solving the problems of perspective and parallax, and deciding color values. The camera obscura's optical reduction of a real scene in three-dimensional space to a flat rendition in two dimensions influenced western art, so that at one point, it was thought that images based on optical geometry (perspective) belonged to a more advanced civilization. Later, with the advent of Modernism, the absence of perspective in oriental art from China, Japan and in Persian miniatures was revalued. Previous discoveries of photosensitive methods and substances—including silver nitrate by Albertus Magnus in the 13th century,[18] a silver and chalk mixture by Johann Heinrich Schulze in 1724,[citation needed] and Joseph Niépce's bitumen-based heliography[17] in 1822[19]—contributed to development of the daguerreotype. In 1829 French artist and chemist Louis J.M. Daguerre, contributing a cutting edge camera design, partnered with Niépce, a leader in photochemistry, to further develop their technologies.[17] After Niépce's 1833 death, Daguerre continued to research the chemistry and mechanics of recording images by coating copper plates with iodized silver.[17] Early experiments required hours of exposure in the camera to produce visible results. In 1835 Daguerre discovered—after accidentally breaking a mercury thermometer, according to traditional accounts—a method of developing the faint or invisible images on plates that had been exposed for only 20 to 30 minutes.[17] Further refinement of his process would allow him to fix the image—preventing further darkening of the silver—using a strong solution of common salt. An 1837 still life of plaster casts, a wicker-covered bottle, a framed drawing and a curtain—titled L'Atelier de l'artiste—has been claimed to be the first daguerreotype to successfully undergo the full process of exposure, development and fixation.[17] The French Academy
Re: [Vo]:OT: Invention of the Daguerreotype
More about the Deguerreotype and competing photographic processes which were under development at the same time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Daguerre harry
Re: [Vo]:OT: Invention of the Daguerreotype
On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: More about the Deguerreotype and competing photographic processes which were under development at the same time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Daguerre harry quote In 1829, Daguerre partnered with Nicéphore Niépce, an inventor who had produced the world's first heliograph in 1822 and the first permanent camera photograph four years later.[1][2] Niépce died suddenly in 1833, but Daguerre continued experimenting and evolved the process which would subsequently be known as the Daguerreotype. It has recently been discovered that Daguerre may have misled Niepce's son about the value of the invention in order to better claim any profits from it individually. After efforts to interest private investors proved fruitless, Daguerre went public with his invention in 1839. At a meeting of the French Academy of Sciences on 7 January of that year, the invention was announced and described in general terms, but all specific details were withheld. Under assurances of strict confidentiality, Daguerre explained and demonstrated the process only to the Academy's perpetual secretary François Arago, who proved to be an invaluable advocate. Members of the Academy and other select individuals were allowed to examine specimens at Daguerre's studio. The images were enthusiastically praised as nearly miraculous and news of the Daguerreotype quickly spread. Arrangements were made for Daguerre's rights to be acquired by the French Government in exchange for lifetime pensions for himself and Niépce's son Isidore; then, on 19 August 1839, the French Government presented the invention as a gift from France free to the world and complete working instructions were published. end quote Harry
Re: [Vo]: MFMP Null Result
My questions, concerns and speculations about method arise because I find it baffling that your estimate and MFMP team's estimate of excess Power can be so different. Harry On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 5:56 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Harry, I use a blindfold when the data is being optimized. :-) The LMS routine takes the raw data and makes my simulated curve match it. I do not have any idea what the result will be and it could be either positive or negative. An earlier calibration sets the rules that the data is compared against. Most of the time I download the live data from the MFMP site and evaluate one of the power steps. If there is a problem with the collection of the data, then that shows up in such a way as to generate a visual flag which I can review to determine why it is behaving in a strange manner. That is a rare occurrence. How would you handle the evaluation in the absence of a calorimeter? Time domain transient analysis is the best that I can do under the current restrictions. I am open to suggestions provided they are possible to achieve, but do keep in mind that I can only request special tests by the MFMP group and I have no control over their decisions. I believe that it is preferable to do something instead of wait for someone else to spoon feed me. I chose to post the results of my program runs to ensure that the vortex group is aware of any progress. If you are serious about blind analysis being useful and not kidding then I will answer. Of course it is important and is essentially conducted every time I run a set of data through my program. Initially, I was expecting to see positive results, but that is not what the program produced. Any new data that I download might demonstrate either positive or negative excess power since I do not have a clue about what will be found. I must admit that after so many runs with no excess power being determined, I am becoming biased toward that expectation, but I do not modify the way the program operates to achieve that result. Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Feb 7, 2013 3:52 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: MFMP Null Result On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The questions that are being asked are important and the MFMP guys are working very hard to answer them. A number of additional measures have been taken at various times to root out unusual behavior and to improve the accuracy of the results. Everyone realizes how important this is to get right. One test that they ran last month was per a request I made that is quite similar to what is suggested by Jack. First the cell was stabilized with all of the power being applied to the test Celani wire. At a specific point in time, the power was quickly shifted to the heating wire which is NiCr. The input powers were matched to a close degree. I noted that the apparent excess power changed by about .4 watts if I recall. That actual value for this discussion is not important, but if you need I can look it up. The source of the difference was not determined at that time, but both wires were exposed to helium instead of hydrogen for that test. A vacuum and other attempts had been recently performed to remove any LENR activity that might be normally there. The details are written in a log on their site. This lack of power output correlation concerned me then and still does. There are numerous variables to contend with and it is apparent that control of the accuracy is not trivial. Everyone is getting a good education as to how difficult these tests are to confirm. Lately, I have been worried that the excess power being shown on their web site(~5 watts) with the current technique that they have been using to calculate it is far too large to be real. I do not want to see too many folks let down by reality when the calorimeter does is miracles. Another guy, Ascoli, used a technique to adjust their results that compensates for the density changes of the hydrogen. The final curve he determined matches my steady state program output closely. I use the outside glass temperature minus the ambient to calculate the instantaneous power which is more immune to changes within the cell such as gas density. Of course my program takes into account the delay associated with heating of the glass and monitor. The amount of direct hot wire generated IR that escapes through the glass envelop is a potential contributor to inaccuracy. If this drifts, then the power captured and monitored on the outer glass test point will vary. There has been evidence of this effect in the past when goop collected upon the test wires leading to changes in emissivity. That is the current theory I apply to calibration drift. Amazingly, the recent calibration factors appear to be holding well after
Re: [Vo]: MFMP Null Result
That is a good idea. It would show whether a particular method analsysis can reveal or mask a positive signal. Harry On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Seems to me like they could do something like that with a calibration run. Heat with the inactive wire, then put 10watts through the active wire. It should then show up as 10W excess if they leave that power input out of the calculation. Just to demonstrate that the method is working conceptually. On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: No, what I mean is that you could try to make a dummy, a fake data and input that into the program and see if you can hide a positive, dummy, signal. 2013/2/7 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com If you are suggesting that there should be LENR activity and thus a reading of zero excess power is a false negative, then the program demonstrates that. It is my philosophy to let the results speak for themselves regardless of the outcome. The program does that by fitting the input power variable to the data for the best match. I have no way to change this once it has been told to optimize unless I intentionally lock its value for other purposes. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]: MFMP Null Result
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com wrote: Seems to me like they could do something like that with a calibration run. Heat with the inactive wire, then put 10watts through the active wire. It should then show up as 10W excess if they leave that power input out of the calculation. That's what calibrations are for! That's what they are. - Jed Calibrations involve a method analysis. Daniel's point is that a method of analysis can be flawed if it generates a false positve signal OR if it masks a positive signal. The method analysis should be capable of detecting both a positive (desired) signal and a negative (null, undesired) signal. To test the method analsysis the system should be fed a dummy positive signal and dummy negative signal. Harry Harry
Re: [Vo]: MFMP Null Result
On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 1:07 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The questions that are being asked are important and the MFMP guys are working very hard to answer them. A number of additional measures have been taken at various times to root out unusual behavior and to improve the accuracy of the results. Everyone realizes how important this is to get right. One test that they ran last month was per a request I made that is quite similar to what is suggested by Jack. First the cell was stabilized with all of the power being applied to the test Celani wire. At a specific point in time, the power was quickly shifted to the heating wire which is NiCr. The input powers were matched to a close degree. I noted that the apparent excess power changed by about .4 watts if I recall. That actual value for this discussion is not important, but if you need I can look it up. The source of the difference was not determined at that time, but both wires were exposed to helium instead of hydrogen for that test. A vacuum and other attempts had been recently performed to remove any LENR activity that might be normally there. The details are written in a log on their site. This lack of power output correlation concerned me then and still does. There are numerous variables to contend with and it is apparent that control of the accuracy is not trivial. Everyone is getting a good education as to how difficult these tests are to confirm. Lately, I have been worried that the excess power being shown on their web site(~5 watts) with the current technique that they have been using to calculate it is far too large to be real. I do not want to see too many folks let down by reality when the calorimeter does is miracles. Another guy, Ascoli, used a technique to adjust their results that compensates for the density changes of the hydrogen. The final curve he determined matches my steady state program output closely. I use the outside glass temperature minus the ambient to calculate the instantaneous power which is more immune to changes within the cell such as gas density. Of course my program takes into account the delay associated with heating of the glass and monitor. The amount of direct hot wire generated IR that escapes through the glass envelop is a potential contributor to inaccuracy. If this drifts, then the power captured and monitored on the outer glass test point will vary. There has been evidence of this effect in the past when goop collected upon the test wires leading to changes in emissivity. That is the current theory I apply to calibration drift. Amazingly, the recent calibration factors appear to be holding well after many days of burn. This is a learning experience for all of us. Experimental science is a form of bondage! Does it ever get better? Dave Doesn't SM include blindfolds? ;-) Early you also said you believe in letting the data speak for itself. In that case, you should also be blind as to whether the data set contains an expected positive or negative signal. In other words you should be analysing data sets without knowing what exactly is being tested in each set. Do you think in principle a blind analysis can be informative even without calibration data? One could choose any data set as their baseline and see how the data sets *compare*. Harry
Re: [Vo]: MFMP Null Result
Suppose someone asks you to calculate the area under y = sin(x) over one wavelength? Since half the curve is above the x -axis and half the curve is below the x-axis you might calculate the net area as zero, but that would be false null result. harry On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: How can you tell whether these are falso positives and not false negatives? 0.2 to 0.6 W with this system is zero. Not positive or negative. That is within the noise. As I said before, no instrument can produce exactly zero. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:OT Global Warming
The reality of AGM is often presented as a no-brainer and that deniers are just plain stupid. However, this shows that global warming is not transparently self-evident and that an additional level of analysis is required to tease out the proof. I personally think the climate scientists speak down to the lay public and this attitude fuels denialism. Harry On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 10:22 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Craig cchayniepub...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a graph: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B4QESdNmbCJSbFFScjJZdUhWdU0/edit?usp=sharing So the temperature stall is still above the 50 year trend line, and can continue flat for quite some time before it falls below the first standard deviation. Interesting. Note that many of the fluctuations are not random. They have known causes, such as volcanoes and el nino. This is explained in the video I posted, which shows how these extraneous events can be filtered out of the data. Here is a better copy of the video with footnotes and scientific references: http://www.skepticalscience.com/16_more_years_of_global_warming.html If I saw cold fusion excess heat data as clear as this, I would say it is conclusive. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: MFMP Null Result
The area in sine wave example was not intended to represent any particular physical variables. It was just intended as metaphor to show that the conclusions one draws from data are not necessarily transparent or undeniably correct. Harry On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 3:20 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: For this to be a problem, the data must be of restricted range. The more sine waves worth of data that are processed, the more closely your result becomes to zero. This is one reason that I believe that the result is so well established. Around a week of data is analyzed during which the relative noise level is low. Of course, it the LENR effect takes a month to show up, then it might still come into play later. I can not rule out that possibility. I felt that it is important to keep others informed of the current state of affairs, especially when some internal indications tend to suggest that several watts of excess power is being generated. Caution is important to exercise to keep form becoming too disappointed at a later time. I will be happy to be proven wrong in this particular case and I plan to make that attempt myself. Perhaps I do not make a very good skeptic. [image: ;-)] Dave -Original Message- From: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wed, Feb 6, 2013 2:35 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: MFMP Null Result Suppose someone asks you to calculate the area under y = sin(x) over one wavelength? Since half the curve is above the x -axis and half the curve is below the x-axis you might calculate the net area as zero, but that would be false null result. harry
Re: [Vo]:It's Alive!
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Defkalion's site, that is: http://defkalion-energy.com/ and it kinda makes me think that Tesla really was responsible for Tunguska. http://aromapress.com/~defkalio/technology/ quote We have shown the international scientific community how to trigger, control and maintain a reaction producing excess heat energy. unquote If this internationl scientific community has been shown they certainly aren't talking about it. Harry
Re: [Vo]:It's Alive!
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: http://aromapress.com/~defkalio/technology/ Nothing at this URL. - Jed Hmmm it was working when I first posted it to vortex-l. Harry
Re: [Vo]:It's Alive!
On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: http://aromapress.com/~defkalio/technology/ Nothing at this URL. - Jed Hmmm it was working when I first posted it to vortex-l. Harry try this http://defkalion-energy.com/technology/ Harry
[Vo]:Swedish TV program on cold fusion and the Ecat with english subtitles
Swedish TV program on cold fusion and the Ecat with english subtitles. I think this first aired in the fall of 2012. Translation by Hampus Ericsson. Essen and Kullander appear and say they are still convinced that the ecat produced excess heat. Ekstrom is still convinced it was a trick. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV program on cold fusion and the Ecat with english subtitles
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Swedish TV program on cold fusion and the Ecat with english subtitles. I think this first aired in the fall of 2012. Translation by Hampus Ericsson. Essen and Kullander appear and say they are still convinced that the ecat produced excess heat. Ekstrom is still convinced it was a trick. oops...forgot the link! http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/12/swedish-svt-e-cat-program-with-english-subtitles/ Harry
Re: [Vo]:The Evolving Internet
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: What's the next big thing? Stream-browsing: http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/02/the-end-of-the-web-computers-and-search-as-we-know-it It's almost like a sixth sense. quote Does this sort of precise control limit the serendipitous nature of the web? In a way, yes. But it’s about time: “Bring me what I want” is almost always more useful than “Let me rummage around and see what I can find.” No matter how fast it seems, most search is a waste of time. In a way, we are using time (i.e., the time-based structure) to gain time. ahem...he can speak for himself. This guy obviously does not enjoy visiting places like used book stores or junk yards. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP
Dave, Have you identifided the difference (or error) in MFMP team's program that leads them to find excess power? Harry On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 12:54 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The guys at MFMP are still experimenting on the Celani device. They have a stainless steel version that is just now beginning to be tested and I have my fingers crossed. A new calorimeter is also being perfected and it will be capable of detecting excess power in a sensitive manner if any appears. My program suggests that the results are null at this time, but others may not share that opinion. The MFMP guys are doing a wonderful job and we all should be appreciative of their efforts, and I am confident that they will continue to perform a great service for us. Dave -Original Message- From: Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 10:56 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP I'm not sure the MFMP have shown more than a null result -- I doubt it can be taken as a negative result. Celani's P_xs was on the order of many watts, if I remember correctly. It seems like he would have had to have some pretty egregious instrument artifact to get those graphs that have been circulating. Also possible is that MFMP have not succeeded in triggering whatever Celani has been seeing. This is not to say that Celani has necessarily been seeing anything -- he might or he might not be. Eric
Re: [Vo]:Nanor
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 5:42 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: Does anyone know what the status is of the Nanor device at MIT? Has it been kept running? Has anyone duplicated the device and successfully run it? Nope --- But if you trust a dog (Shih-tzu), Dr Bob has some comments on Schwartz's presentation : http://www.drboblog.com/where-is-bob/ (Jan 28) http://www.drboblog.com/mit-class-day-2/ (Feb 1) Quick summary : they are regularly getting a COP of 40 (at 80 the equipment melts) -- but it's not yet at commercial watt-levels. In the second link it says that, according to Hagelstein, the flux of the gamma rays produced by the Nanor device is comparable to that emitted by a banana. In light of this, here is a video about measuring gamma banana rays. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_SJH7VNAE0 Harry
Re: [Vo]:Simulation of Celani Replication by MFMP
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Have you identifided the difference (or error) in MFMP team's program that leads them to find excess power? I don't they have found excess power in their most recent analyses. Have they? As I have mentioned here before, what bothers me about Celani's own work is his inability to make it self sustain. - Jed My understanding of their analysis is that the reputed excess power comes and goes and is much less than it was when they first began the experiment(s). Harry
Re: [Vo]:How does evolution work without selective pressure
A facepaced introduction to epigenetics which is worth watching if you are unfamiliar with this new science. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp1bZEUgqVI Harry
Re: [Vo]:How does evolution work without selective pressure
*facepaced -- fastpaced Harry On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: A facepaced introduction to epigenetics which is worth watching if you are unfamiliar with this new science. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp1bZEUgqVI Harry
Re: [Vo]:PGE buying output from 150 MW solar thermal plant with molten salts
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: A little more info here: http://www.sener-aerospace.com/AEROESPACIAL/ProjectsD/hector-cleaning-robot-system-for-heliostats/en There is a .pdf file out there with a bigger image but I can't find it. - Jed is this it? shortened url: http://tinyurl.com/asqjdbx full url: http://www.google.ca/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=sfrm=1source=webcd=1ved=0CDIQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.worldfutureenergysummit.com%2FPortal%2Fassets%2Fdownload%2Ffedf43ce%2FHECTOR.pdf.aspxei=XeUKUZCcIYrgyQHvp4HoDgusg=AFQjCNEeZDriZ2JUWDUhDz2Pqc8GWk-GUw Harry Harry
Re: [Vo]:Like charges attract each other
Nice article. Makes me wonder if the strong force is necessary to explain nuclear cohesion. Harry On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Harvey Norris harv...@yahoo.com wrote: http://sciencefeature.com/2012/05/20/attraction-between-like-charges.html My comments awaiting moderation. Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/
Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:27 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: There seems to be a prevaling sense of entitlement in this generation. When your generation entered the workforce it was generally realistic for them to expect their income would eventually exceed their parents income. For today's generation that expectation is generally unrealistic. Instead they want more say over their workplace. Harry
Re: [Vo]:excess power as either anomolous heating or cooling
It seems like a sensible test if nuclear reactions/transformation are suppose to be occurring. Harry On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: What do you think of my suggestion on their forums? http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/forum/welcome-mat/87-neutrino-detection-as-definitive-proof-and-hi 2013/1/27 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com Oh sorry, it is here: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/follow-2/204-much-lower-levels It is mentioned in a few places in the discussion. In one instance, if I recall correctly, someone calls it negative power. harry On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: What is the link, please? 2013/1/27 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com , the data now suggest the possibility of some slight anomalous cooling effect. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
[Vo]:excess power as either anomolous heating or cooling
The MFMP results are not looking very good at the moment as excess heat appears to be marginal or non-existent. However, the data now suggest the possibility of some slight anomalous cooling effect. I don't know if this cooling is real or the result some minor calibration error, but it raises the question of how we estimate excess power. Although we tend to associate excess power with anomalous heating, it seems to me that a system can exhibit excess power (or over unity) through either persistent anomalous cooling or persistent anomalous heating . But what if the system oscillates between periods of anomalous cooling and anomalous heating? Simply taking a time average would make the excess power appear to be much less or even non-existent. harry
Re: [Vo]:excess power as either anomolous heating or cooling
Oh sorry, it is here: http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/follow-2/204-much-lower-levels It is mentioned in a few places in the discussion. In one instance, if I recall correctly, someone calls it negative power. harry On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: What is the link, please? 2013/1/27 Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com , the data now suggest the possibility of some slight anomalous cooling effect. -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Chemonuclear Transitions
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: What is it that is causing the proton in this model to vary in mass, and is the range of possible masses discrete or continuous? I should anticipate one possible answer, which seems like a good explanation -- a proton is not a point particle, like a photon, and it does not travel at the speed of light. It has mass and it has a speed that is less than c. So the mass will vary with its speed; when it is stationary it will have a rest mass, and when it is travelling at relativistic velocities, it has a larger mass. Assuming the above is true, and assuming your model of a proton having an average mass is true, the question for me now becomes, is the (rest) mass a continuous value or discrete across a range? Eric If a proton can ring like a bell, mass-energy equivalence would imply the proton's mass can vary with pitch. Harry
Re: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 11:02 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: Some LENR systems produce tritium and this decays into He3. Could a LENR system be engineered to supply enough He3 to make this sort of hot fusion practical? No, because tritium is a very minor product of LENR. If LENR worked, the energy created by this process could be used directly without the need to create a big machine to use the He3. Ed Thanks for this reminder. Can you imagine any reasons why hot fusion researchers might divert some of their own money into LENR research because it could advance their own program? Or will funding for hot fusion research dry up soon after the first public investment is made in LENR research? Are the two energy programs fundamentally antagnasitic with respect to public funding? Harry
Re: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 1:08 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for this reminder. Can you imagine any reasons why hot fusion researchers might divert some of their own money into LENR research because it could advance their own program? Or will funding for hot fusion research dry up soon after the first public investment is made in LENR research? Are the two energy programs fundamentally antagnasitic with respect to public funding? Harry I mean antagonistic. Harry
Re: [Vo]:The hydrogen s-orbital and the problem of muonic hydrogen
Perhaps the proton's radius can be both increased and descreased under certain conditions. Does anyone know how (or if) in theory the proton's radius would effect rates of fusion? Would the proton have to be larger or smaller to increase rates of fusion? Harry On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 6:16 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: We've already gone over the new Science paper on muonic hydrogen elsewhere, but I saw a comment on E-Cat World that I thought was worth bringing up here. According to a summary of the Science article in Ars Technica [1], the problem I alluded to in the title is that the charge radius of the proton has been measured very accurately to be both 0.84fm and 0.88fm. This would not be a big deal if the accuracy of the measurements allowed both of these values. But the measurements are extremely accurate, and incompatible, unless there is something unexplained going on. The comment by Gerrit in E-Cat World elaborates [2]: Have we discussed the recent finding of the shrunken proton yet ? The proton in muonic hydrogen is 4% smaller that normal hydrogen. They cannot explain it with current understanding, yet the new measurements are very high accuracy. http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/hydrogen-made-with-muons-reveals-proton-size-conundrum/ “The proton structure is important because an electron in an S [ground] state has a nonzero probability to be inside the proton.” Oh wait a minute, if the electron is inside the proton, doesn’t the whole structure look like a neutron, ie it won’t see a coulomb barrier and can fuse with another hydrogen at will ? The next question that “established” science should target is measuring the proton size of a hydrogen in a metal lattice. I think it is inevitable that “established” science will eventually stumble over the same phenomenon that has been shown to exists for over 23 years. In a few years we’ll probably be hearing “Well, with the current understanding of physics we can no longer claim that Fleischmann and Pons were wrong” So it seems that under certain conditions, physicists are measuring something vaguely like Mills's fractional hydrogen -- it might be that it is Mills's fractional hydrogen, or it might be something entirely different. Gerrit asks whether you could get screening, e.g., sufficient to lead to the anomalous behavior in metal hydrides we've been following here, from whatever it is that is going on. The Ars Technica article ends with this interesting comment: The one option they [the research team] seem to like is the existence of relatively light force carriers that somehow remained undiscovered until now. New force carriers is an interesting thought. Would that imply a heretofore unknown interaction? Eric [1] http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/hydrogen-made-with-muons-reveals-proton-size-conundrum/ [2] http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/01/robotics-and-lenr/comment-page-1/#comment-105365
Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
Notably, F. Hayek, one of the greatest advocates of free market economics, argued that everyone should receive a basic income or (what he called a minimum income) regardless of employment. See chapter 9 Security and Freedom in his book _Road to Serfdom_ . https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.286147002267.143173.676517267type=1l=e117e9f0c2 Harry
Re: [Vo]:Another article about the impact of automation on employment
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 9:26 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:28 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net We also need to look at how the entitlement programs are structured… I’ve seen examples about how the rules are not structured to encourage one to become self-reliant, but promote dependency… dependency is just another way the control freaks (politicians) maintain control, and their power and elitist positions. I would have no problem if the programs ‘taught you how to fish’ in addition to giving you some fish for a limited period of time. Washington DC’s avg household income is now the highest in the country; surpassing the Silicon Valley of California… that should tell you all you need to know about politicians. We need to go back to one-term, citizen politicians; get rid of all lobbyists and corporate influence-peddlers in DC. Yes, would not be surprised if dependency were a problem -- I have witnessed some of it myself. But with that I have two reservations. First, let's approach the problem empirically. Are there existing programs out there that have a proven track record of helping people at the margins of society without encouraging dependency? Let's copy what they're doing and see if we can tweak it. Second, dependency is only a problem for those who can avoid it. There are many people, incompetents among them, who are, by their nature, dependent. There is no conceivable way that we will educate them out of it; they will simply either sink into the existing social darwinism or, if we can help them, they will lead out lives in dignity at a modest cost to the public. I am persuaded that this will not only be satisfying in some ethical sense, but that we will all be better off economically as well. The truth is everyone depends on something and/or someone to maintain their way of being in the world. Nobody exists in a state of independence. Dependency is not an affliction or a sin. (For example, the self-employed, who often portray themselves as independent and therefore morally superior, depend heavily on a system that can process monetary transactions.) Everyone is entitled (can I say that?) to a degree of autonomy from which they can choose how they prefer to lean on the world and others and to give back to the world and others. Harry
Re: [Vo]:S.Korea Fusion
On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: On Jan 24, 2013, at 6:29 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: Indeed, However plasma physics is by itself interesting, so it is nice to have some big science experiments running. Science is not about profit but having fun! Well Jouni, when over 25 billion dollars are spent, the question is who has the fun from this money. As a tax payer, I could have had much more fun if the money had been sent on something that lowered my energy bill and reduced the risk of global warming . But to each his own. If plasma physicist would like really do something that could spawn profits on a long run, then they should study helium-3 fusion. Yes, and where do you get the He3? Yes, this is present on the Moon, but at what cost? Some LENR systems produce tritium and this decays into He3. Could a LENR system be engineered to supply enough He3 to make this sort of hot fusion practical? Harry
Re: [Vo]:understanding Piantelli et al.'s 2013 EP2368252B1 patent
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Jed please try: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2008/NET29-8dd54geg.shtml see Nos 12 and 13- let me know if it works for you. I found the passage below significant because a fairly recent discussion on vortex-l left me with the impression that they did not *publish* anything in response to the CERN paper. Harry Piantelli-Focardi Group Responds to CERN In November 1998, the Piantelli-Focardi group published Large Excess Heat Production in Ni-H Systems,[14] again in Il Nuovo Cimento. The paper directly responds to the most significant criticism of the 1996 CERN paper. In the Piantelli-Focardi authors’ introduction to their new paper, they state that they modified the cell they reported in 1994 [3] with an improvement which allows the measurement and the monitoring of the external surface temperature. With this new set-up, the Piantelli-Focardi group writes, the external temperature increase, together with the internal one, have been utilized to characterize the excited state of the Ni sample. The existence of an exothermic effect, whose heat yield is well above that of any known chemical reaction, has been unambiguously confirmed by evaluating the thermal flux coming from the cells. The paper clarifies the term excited state as the phase in which the experiment was producing anomalous heat. Britz wrote the follow summary of the 1998 Piantelli-Focardi group’s paper: In addition to a cell used by this team earlier, consisting of a tubular vacuum chamber with a heating mantle around a Ni rod and a single temperature probe on the outside and the inside of the mantle, a new cell has now been designed with multiple probes. “Hydrogen gas was admitted to the chambers, which were heated, and temperatures measured. Transient lowering of the input power produced, upon restoring the power, temperatures higher than before the transients. This showed the presence of nuclear phenomena, and calibrations performed calculated roughly 20 Watts of excess power generated by the hydrided Ni rods. The effect, once started, lasted for 278 days, the duration of the experiment.
Re: [Vo]:E-Cat world: Defkalion GT and MOSE s.r.l. Forming Joint Venture
MOSE S.R.L. appears to be a brand new company so this annoucement doesn't do anything to enhance the credibility of Defkalion's claims. see http://www.mose-energy.com/ harry On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: See: http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/01/report-defkalion-gt-and-moses-ltd-forming-joint-venture/
[Vo]:A Big European Consortium has an eye on MFMP
#11 Robert Greenyer 2013-01-18 14:25 @All The EU cell had to be taken off line at short notice to be taken to a big european consortium for preliminary discussion about it. If they are not time wasters, we will ask them to sign an MFMP Full Disclosure Agreement (FDA) as soon as possible. So it has not been on line for a few days. Normal programming will resume shortly. Currently we are trying to track down Nicholas as we have not heard from him (except an unqualified request to urgently order more glass tubes) since he left for the meeting -- Harry
Re: [Vo]:From Turing to Tourette
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2260784/IBM-wipes-supercomputers-hard-drives-bid-stop-potty-mouthed-machine-uttering-obscenities.html The gameshow winning supercomputer that couldn’t stop saying ‘bull’: IBM forced to wipe hard drive after machine downloaded an urban dictionary more Were you expecting Skynet to be polite? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGTgjT1nqJs Harry
[Vo]:MFMP: Encouraging Results
MFMP report for 17 January 2013. While both cells in the dual cell test have been very slowly increasing their P_xs indicators over the last several days, last night's test was particularly encouraging. http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/follow-2/202-encouraging-results Harry
Re: [Vo]:Suppose Watson tells people cancer treatment does not work?
On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: What if the entire corpus of physics is loaded, and Watson concludes that LENR is the superior energy solution for the future of humanity, far more so than hot fusion or fission ? What if Watson concludes LENR is a load of baloney? [mg] Watson will blow a fuse while it is processing Rossi's statements. harry
Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn?
It seems to Google is complicit in the proliferation of youtube hoaxers and scammers because they reward them with ad revenue. Harry On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 2:45 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: Looking at the size and shape of that motor drive circuit I would suspect that it is powered by high frequency RF if not faked. One problem is that any single coil drive circuit will have at least one axis of zero coupling in space which did not appear in the video. A complex system of drive coils can be arranged to eliminate the normal null, but this takes a bit more knowledge than this guy appears to posses. For this reason, I suspect that there is a battery hidden within the motor case that powers it. Another guy demonstrated how this could be done in an earlier post. These scammers need to be tar and feathered for the damage they are doing to the free energy cause. We are overwhelmed by the number of idiots that put out this type of trash just to get hits on their sites. Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Jan 15, 2013 2:26 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:What Makes this Motor Turn? In reply to Brad Lowe's message of Tue, 15 Jan 2013 08:06:36 -0800: Hi, [snip] Related: What makes this LED light? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB2t6Ujv3C4 - Brad If I were going to fake it, I'd put a coil under the table top with AC running through it. Then you would have an air core transformer with the largest of the coils in the device. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:It ate my book
On Sun, Jan 13, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Something went wrong with Java and my files were temporally lost. The problem was on your computer, not Amazon's. If Amazon goes down it will be a national calamity since they supply data processing services to many others, such as Netflix. Things often go wrong with Java. Its been fixed now and I have an update uploaded. I did not want to loose months of work. Lose, not loose. You have already loosed it upon the world. I would not want to miss what Rossi says this February. Yes. He is the most interesting man in the world. Compilation of all commercials using the most interesting man in the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtA2u3uhi2U Harry
Re: [Vo]:PLEASE READ, two new rules
Have you considered automatically limiting the number of messages a member can post daily? Even a voluntary limit would help, but this would have to be stated *explicitly* in the rules. Four or five seems like a reasonable number. Harry On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 4:48 AM, William Beaty bi...@eskimo.com wrote: Below are two long-standing but unwritten rules of vortex-L: 1. DO NOT FEED A TROLL. If someone is insulting, then you are required to put their address in local killfile. If you don't know what trolls are, and aren't familiar with this issue, do not subscribe to vortex-L 2. REAL IDENTITIES ONLY. This is a semi-pro forum, and we all use our real names here. Users will provide linking info in their posted messages, such as a sig with personal website, Facebook page, mailing addr, etc. Just make sure anyone can verify your real-world identity. I won't be enforcing the second one until I set up an archive system which is private, members-only. I'm looking at groupware services which duplicate the groups function at yahoo and google (both of which have major issues which we've discussed, and I've very intentionally avoided migrating to either one.) But today there are at least three other options. (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
Re: [Vo]:Rossi Says .. EMF Directly from the Reactor Core!! (??)
On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: My first thought was thermo-electric (in which Rossi has some .. history), but that counter-indicated by his low temperature comments. How about gammavoltaics? I mentioned this from of energy conversion to Rossi on his blog about a year and half ago. Harry New thermophotovoltaic materials could replace alternators in cars and save fuel. By Kevin Bullis on June 1, 2006 Researchers at MIT are developing new technology for converting heat into light and then into electricity that could eventually save fuel in vehicles by replacing less-efficient alternators and allowing electrical systems to run without the engine idling. http://www.technologyreview.com/news/405894/an-alternative-to-your-alternator/ harry
Re: [Vo]:List integrity
Ok, and this ends my participation in this exchange. Harry On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM, de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com wrote: Both are false. On Dec 31, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Sorry I am confused. What is considered false here? A nine year old is barely out diapers or that muslims do not disapprove of sexual relations with a nine year old? Harry
Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies
Is there any beauty in your life? Harry On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 4:11 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote: That is where you are wrong my friend. A TRUE Christian will not find a call to Idolatry beautiful. A muslim call to prayer is a call to pray to a false god (allah the moon god) in front of an idol (kabah - a meteroite stone.) Jojo - Original Message - From: de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Birther Myth? or Lomax lies Jojo, you do not speak for true Christians. I know many Christians and others who find the Muslim call to prayer beautiful.
Re: [Vo]:[OT] The Bible and the Copernican Revolution
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 3:00 PM, jwin...@cyllene.uwa.edu.au wrote: On Jan 2, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Jojo Jaro wrote: I am aware of the excesses of the catholic papa, but what did John Calvin do? Please educate me. He had the scientist Michael Servetus (who contributed enormously to medicine and was the first European to describe pulmonary circulation) put to death for heresy. He was also a strong supporter of biblical geocentricity denouncing those who pervert the course of nature by saying that the sun does not move and that it is the earth that revolves and that it turns. Quite small black marks on his reputation compared to the infamy of the popes of those days! Calvin's Geneva http://www.stephenhicks.org/2010/11/27/john-calvins-geneva/ Copernicus was branded a fraud, attendance at church and sermons was compulsory, and Calvin himself preached at great length three or four times a week. Refusal to take the Eucharist was a crime. The Consistory, which made no distinction between religion and morality, could summon anyone for questioning, investigate any charge of backsliding, and entered homes periodically to be sure no one was cheating Calvin’s God. Legislation specified the number of dishes to be served at each meal and the color of garments worn. What one was permitted to wear depended upon who one was, for never was a society more class–ridden. Believing that every child of God had been foreordained, Calvin was determined that each know his place; statutes specified the quality of dress and the activities allowed in each class. ‘But even the elite—the clergy, of course—were allowed few diversions. Calvinists worked hard because there wasn’t much else they were permitted to do. “Feasting” was proscribed; so were dancing, singing, pictures, statues, relics, church bells, organs, altar candles; “indecent or irreligious” songs, staging or attending theatrical plays; wearing rouge, jewelry, lace, or “immodest” dress; speaking disrespectfully of your betters; extravagant entertainment; swearing, gambling, playing cards, hunting, drunkenness; naming children after anyone but figures in the Old Testament; reading “immoral or irreligious” books; and sexual intercourse, except between partners of different genders who were married to one another.” Harry
Fwd: [Vo]:List integrity
Ok, and this ends my participation in this exchange. Harry On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 11:16 PM, de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com wrote: Both are false. On Dec 31, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: Sorry I am confused. What is considered false here? A nine year old is barely out diapers or that muslims do not disapprove of sexual relations with a nine year old? Harry
[Vo]:OT: Better communication through listening and reading
http://www.sklatch.net/thoughtlets/listen.html The closing remarks: Good listening is arguably one of the most important skills to have in today's complex world. Families need good listening to face complicated stresses together. Corporate employees need it to solve complex problems quickly and stay competitive. Students need it to understand complex issues in their fields. Much can be gained by improving listening skills. When the question of how to improve communication comes up, most attention is paid to making people better speakers or writers (the supply side of the communication chain) rather than on making them better listeners or readers (the demand side). More depends on listening than on speaking. An especially skillful listener will know how to overcome many of the deficiencies of a vague or disorganized speaker. On the other hand, it won't matter how eloquent or cogent a speaker is if the listener isn't paying attention. The listener arguably bears more responsibility than the speaker for the quality of communication. Harry
Re: [Vo]:List integrity
Sorry I am confused. What is considered false here? A nine year old is barely out diapers or that muslims do not disapprove of sexual relations with a nine year old? Harry On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 11:49 AM, de Bivort Lawrence ldebiv...@gmail.com wrote: That a statement is endlessly repeated does not make it true. I posted at length on the family practices of the Arabian peninsula, as they pertained to Christian, Jewish, and pantheistic communities, and to the pre-revelatory emergence of Islam, which limited some of the practices that many people today criticize. But Jojo seems not to have seen this posting, though he did say he would respond to it (and this I hope from his own knowledge rather than assertian-based pseudo-sources), for he repeats assertions that are shown in the posting to be flat-out incorrect. On Dec 31, 2012, at 2:16 AM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: At 10:37 PM 12/30/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Hence, in you, the corruption of islam is seen by everyone. The same corruption that justifies to the world that it is OK to fondle a 9 year old little girl BARELY OUT OF DIAPERS, just because other people are doing it. No matter how you justify it, that's CREEPY. BARELY OUT OF DIAPERS. BARELY OUT OF DIAPERS. BARELY OUT OF DIAPERS. What is obviously false does not become more true by being repeated over and over. Jojo actually acknowledged that this one was false, but has continued to emphasize it. Jojo is using hyperbole so calling it false is an ineffective repsonse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole Harry
Re: [Vo]:off topic (do we really want to sent these people to the stars?)
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 6:09 PM, ChemE cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Holy crap Only if it's Shiva's. If I were Hindu should I be offended or just laugh? harry
Re: [Vo]:off topic (do we really want to sent these people to the stars?)
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 6:23 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 6:09 PM, ChemE cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Holy crap Only if it's Shiva's. If I were Hindu should I be offended or just laugh? harry Russell Peters is a funny guy. This is mostly ethnic humor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2W8aGgmn1A Harry
Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect
FYI Reifenschweiler REpublished his findings in Physics Letters A in 1994: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0375960194907676 Harry
Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect
And it is in archived in Jed's library at lenr-canr.org http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Reifenschwreducedrad.pdf (sorry if this has already been posted) harry On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: FYI Reifenschweiler REpublished his findings in Physics Letters A in 1994: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0375960194907676 Harry
Re: [Vo]:Reifenschweiler effect
This is part of letter in response to an article that appeared in New Scientist in 1994 about Reifenschweiler's findings. Unfortunately a New Scientist subscription is required to read the full letter. The writer doesn't regard the measurements as artifacts or errors but claims the findings can be explained conventionally. I have no idea if his explanation is correct and/or applicable in this case. http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg14219245.000-letters-out-in-the-cold.html Harry
Re: [Vo]:Gibbs does not understand that physics are empirical
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 10:26 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: It is unfortunate that these guys demand a verified theory before being content to accept the lab results. I think this is a part of human nature that many are unwilling to put their reputations on the line unless the evidence is iron clad in every dimension. I agree. It is also human nature to crave an explanation before we believe something. To demand an explanation is unscientific, but it is the norm. Patience is required, but I don't think it is unscientific to insist on an explanation, otherwise we may as well give up all notions of progress. What is unscientific is to accept and promolgate rationalisations that serve to explain away anomalous findings or problems within theories. Read the political pundits and you will see all kinds of improbable ad hoc explanations for events. Medieval philosophers had an explanation for every aspect of reality, usually symbolic and religious. Nothing in creation was there by accident or coincidence. Everything had a deeper meaning. It is only a problem when the ways of finding meaning in the world become fixed and rigid. I don't think the answer to the dogma of the Holy Roman Empire or any other social dogma is a world view based on the absence of meaning, i.e chance. Harry
Re: [Vo]:List integrity
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: At 10:37 PM 12/30/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote: Hence, in you, the corruption of islam is seen by everyone. The same corruption that justifies to the world that it is OK to fondle a 9 year old little girl BARELY OUT OF DIAPERS, just because other people are doing it. No matter how you justify it, that's CREEPY. BARELY OUT OF DIAPERS. BARELY OUT OF DIAPERS. BARELY OUT OF DIAPERS. What is obviously false does not become more true by being repeated over and over. Jojo actually acknowledged that this one was false, but has continued to emphasize it. Jojo is using hyperbole so calling it false is an ineffective repsonse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole Harry
[Vo]:LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week
Daniele Passerini says below the subject of LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week. Harry Italian: http://22passi.blogspot.ca/2012/12/nuova-interpellanza-parlamentare-pro.html google translation: Thursday, December 27, 2012New parliamentary interpellation pro LENR On 21 December last year, while many were concerned about the end of the world as we know it today, someone gave its contribution to end it really, as soon as possible, and to see rise to the era in which a range of knowledge, now confined within the fences of experience of Chemistry and Physics, for example, will finally be joined together to give life to the commercial and industrial exploitation of LENR and the scientific recognition of a heresy whose authors, today, are condemned to academic stake by the Inquisition for the scientist mere fact of naming it: the ability to catalyze nuclear reactions cleaned with certain technical procedures ... *** Double Act Question for written answer 4-19306 filed by ELIZABETH ZAMPARUTTI Friday, December 21, 2012, meeting no. 738 C.4/19306 ZAMPARUTTI, Scilipoti, BELTRANDI BERNARDINI, FLOUR COSCIONI, MECACCI and MAURIZIO TURKISH. - The President of the Council of Ministers, the Minister of Economic Development. - To know - given that: the reactions are piezonuclear fissions of non-radioactive elements and relatively light (from the iron down, in the table of Mendeleev) that split into elements inert even lighter, without the production of gamma rays and / or of radioactive long-lived, but with the emission of neutrons. They are induced by pressure waves both in liquids than in solids. The first evidence of such phenomena in solids have been observed by Professor Alberto Carpinteri at the Polytechnic of Turin in 2008, using granite rocks and basaltic stressed in compression and subject to fracture; Moreover, in the even broader field of low energy nuclear reactions (LENR), significant results have been obtained recently in Italy and in the world (USA, Japan, CIS) in laboratories and research centers of great prestige, even at an industrial character; as a result of these findings, the Commission EU research presented in July 2012, a document entitled 'Industrial unit material forward-looking technologies: workshop on materials for emerging energy technologies, which reiterated the' quality 'and importance of experimental results of the research on LENR, internationally, that deserves more attention in this new field of research with appropriate funding far-reaching; there is now a considerable amount of experiments conducted over the past few years, with a finally satisfactory repeatability of the phenomenon and a presence of an ever increasing number of similar experiences from other research groups that observed under varying conditions of stress abnormal reactions, including those of fission, in addition to important evidence obtained from the laboratory scale to that of the Earth's crust (in the specific case of piezofissione); LENR in Italy on several research groups are at the forefront in the world, researchers at STMicroelectronics (Dr. Mastromatteo) have recently confirmed the possibility to obtain in the laboratory nuclear fissions of light elements and the same researchers replicated with a different experimental setup , the important results from the point of view of calorimeter, obtained from Dr. Francesco Celani INFN Frascati in 2012; there is a good reproducibility of the experiments of Dr. Celani and a remarkable power density obtained in his experiments, reproducibility occurred thanks to the collaboration of scientists and engineers from National Instruments and their specific instrumentation; There are also the progress made in the field by Professor LENR Piantelli, former University of Siena, in 1992, and the results promising, recently announced (at the technological center of Pordenone) by Dr. Andrea Rossi, the results obtained thanks to the collaboration with Sergio Focardi, Professor Emeritus at the Department of Physics at the University of Bologna; there are also other replicas independent of the M. Fleischmann Memorial Project and by French institutional groups have confirmed the results confirmed by Dr. Celani -: whether and what action it will take the government to provide researchers and discoverers of these new phenomena the full assistance and support of the structures responsible to coordinate all relevant steps to obtain any support in terms of equipment and resources (ie research funds), with the aim of deepening the nuclear phenomena also highlighted and reach, ultimately, to industrial applications of these reactions; if the President of the Council of Ministers intends to meet researchers mentioned in the introduction, the presence of the holder of the Ministry of Economic Development and head of the department of legislation, in order to identify institutional paths acts to faster achievement of the stated
Re: [Vo]:LENR was mentioned again in the Italian parliament last week
Another factor to consider is the influence of the english language publications Nature and Scientific American. They have less infleunce non-english speaking communities so their dim views on LENR carry less weight in non-english speaking nations like Italy. Harry On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 7:46 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: That's one way to view it. An alternative that isn't necessarily exclusive: I recall holding a public debate at the Ruben H. Fleet Science Center in San Diego during the 1980s -- before the collapse of the Soviet Union -- regarding NASA's role in launch services vs the fledgling private launch services. During the debate an engineer from General Dynamics who had worked on the Atlas got up and declared that the reason the US government couldn't get its launch services running as well as the communists was that the communists executed corrupt bureaucrats, and that was what was needed if the public sector was going to be in charge of launch services. In short: The commies were good at communism because they had no private sector to tax, so they had to make communism work. The us public sector is the worst of both worlds because it has a private sector to tax and so doesn't have to execute it corrupt bureaucrats to stay alive. On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: To what do you attribute Italy's relatively-functional immune system? A laid-back attitude. I mean it. They don't take themselves as seriously as we do. They know their institutions are far from perfect. The U.S. is burdened by too much self-respect. We take ourselves too seriously. We have too much high regard for out place in the world and our institutions. (Other than the Congress.) All this blather about being the best place on earth leads us to act like the world's policeman, and to imagine that our universities and scientists are the best of the best. When experts at the DoE or the major journals say that cold fusion does not exist, ordinary people give their opinions far too much credibility. Too much respect. Japanese people tend to be even worse in that regard. They have waa-a-a-y too much respect for experts. The fact is, many scientists are incompetent screw-ups. It is the human condition. Farmers, programmers, stock brokers, bank presidents, army generals . . . people everywhere make mistakes. Half the population is below average, as an army general was once horrified to discover. I think the Italians are more aware of that. It helps that they lost several wars in a row. It helps to be a smaller country, less full of yourself. See the novel Catch 22 for details. - Jed
[Vo]:MFMP air flow calorimetry may start next week
From the MFMP blog Ryan Hunt reports: We will be doing an insulated cell inside the Air Flow Calorimter. Measuring the temperature across the insulation will give us a good indication of heat flow. The Temp rise of the air flowing past it will give us another. Both will be calibrated simultaneously. Because of the insulation, any excess heat produced will cause a much larger rise in temperature inside the cell, which will make a much better signal to noise ratio. That experiment may start as early as next week. Harry
[Vo]:Supersolidity loses its luster
Supersolidity loses its luster Bizarre quantum state may not exist after all By Alexandra Witze October 12, 2012 One of the most exciting physics discoveries in recent years may not be a discovery after all. Reports of “supersolidity,” in which solid helium flows through itself without friction, may turn out be something far more ordinary: the everyday stiffening of a material... http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/345721/description/Supersolidity_loses_its_luster
Re: [Vo]:[OT] Sent a message of query off to Mr. Beaty concerning recent trolling activity
how to shovel crap https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYzPPY7IchY Harry
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote: At 03:45 PM 12/22/2012, Harry Veeder wrote: yeah your right, a leash works on beings with feelings...this thing doesn't feel. It could easily be made to feel a leash. But you also want autonomy. I.e., the leader, even if using a leash, which would be connected to a sensor that detect the leash pulling and how it pulls, can't be involved with every footstep. By feelings, I mean it doesn't experience emotions or desires that might cause it to wander. Over the centuries a leash has proven an effective means of directing an animal's spirit. If a robot fails to perform according to plan, the designers and/or user must locate the cause of failure in their own ignorance. They can never claim a failure is consequence of the robot having diverging plans from their own. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: LS3 makes me feel creepier as it advances. Falls down and recovers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=hNUeSUXOc-w If it responded to input from a leash it would not have to be so navigational smart. Harry And if that didn't peg your creep-o-meter: http://www.geekologie.com/2012/12/nope-robot-with-human-skeleton-and-muscl.php
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: If it responded to input from a leash it would not have to be so navigational smart. I think the point is: you can tell it to go from point A to point B in a battlefield, and it goes by itself. Leading it on a leash would defeat the purpose. Maybe that is the long term goal, but in this video they have the robot following someone around. LS3 follow tight harry
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is: you can tell it to go from point A to point B in a battlefield, and it goes by itself. Leading it on a leash would defeat the purpose. Maybe that is the long term goal, but in this video they have the robot following someone around. That is another useful skill in war. The two amount to the same thing from a robotics point of view. Autonomous operation in both cases. When you order it from A to B the goal is fixed. When you order it to follow, the starting point A is fixed, and B keeps changing. You can see how it works in the right hand window of the robot's mapping operation. You can see it select and then modify a path, as it bumps into trees and whatnot. yeah your right, a leash works on beings with feelings...this thing doesn't feel. Harry
Re: [Vo]:Skynet Advances
early Big Dog quadruped robot testing ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXI4WWhPn-Ufeature=endscreen harry
Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Swedish TV (SVT) show on Rossi Ecat
Just when this magic penny technology surfaces the Canadian government discontinues minting the penny. Coincidence or conspiracy? ;-) Harry On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 7:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Brad Lowe ecatbuil...@gmail.com wrote: The sad part is we have the same proof for the magic penny as we do for the e-cat and Hyperion. It is not quite as bad as that. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Giant potato just misses Earth
or potato chips mmm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnPGDWD_oLE harry On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 11:30 AM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: Good thing else mashed potato On Monday, December 17, 2012, Jones Beene wrote: Giant potato barely misses Earth... http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/17/chinese_probe_visits_asteroid_toutat is/ The Maya miscalculated its orbit 500 years ago - they thought it would hit us on Friday.
Re: [Vo]:So what has been discovered is not a new source of energy....
Yes, the Cerron paper was mentioned on MFMP site. That is what prompted my post. Harry On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Jeff Berkowitz pdx...@gmail.com wrote: For what it's worth, Harry, there is a bit of early history that played out in a way similar to what you're describing. Back in 1994, Focardi, Habel and Piantelli published this: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/1994/1994Focardi-AnomalousHeatNi-H-NuovoCimento.pdf After which some folks at CERN published this: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/library/1996/1996Cerron-InvestigationOfAnomalous.pdf YMMV. Jeff On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: ... Instead Celani, Piantelli, Forcardi discovered that when nickel aborbs hygrodgen the thermal charactersitics of nickel change (by making it less reflective)? And Celani has discovered that this change is correlated with a drop in the electrical resistance of the nickle. Is that it? harry
[Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus
STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus: http://www.22passi.it/coherence2012/coherence%2014%20dicembre%202012%20Celani%20wire.pdf On page 2 it says over a couple of charts: Neutron and gamma continuous recording in ST lab. No difference for spectra during experiments showing extra heat and background Does this mean they did not detect any anomalous gamma or neutrons emissions? If so then it is more evidence that the Celani doesn't produce excess heat. Harry
Re: [Vo]:So what has been discovered is not a new source of energy....
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Teslaalset robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com wrote: Celani was not able to allow long sustanable mode because this requires a higher temperature, which is possible but not for a long period of time in such transparant tube. No, that is not an issue. He wrapped the cell in insulation. This allowed him to lower the input power a great deal while maintaining the activation temperature. But he was not able to lower input to zero. He hoped to do that to eliminate all doubts about the calorimetry. His plan was to trigger the effect with a heater and then gradually back off all heater power. I do not know why this did not work. I did not discuss it with him. I heard that it did not work. If the effect is an artifact, that would be a reason for it not to work. I maybe be wrong but I think you told us his original plan was to first raise the temperature of the cell. That would have been consistent with how the E-cat operates, which supposedly begins to produce heat at a certain temperature but doesn't become (temporarily) self-sustaining until a higher temperature is reached. Harry
Re: [Vo]:So what has been discovered is not a new source of energy....
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: I maybe be wrong but I think you told us his original plan was to first raise the temperature of the cell. That would have been consistent with how the E-cat operates, which supposedly begins to produce heat at a certain temperature but doesn't become (temporarily) self-sustaining until a higher temperature is reached. I do not recall hearing that from Celani. You are saying that Rossi reports two different critical temperatures? One at which the reaction begins, and another, higher temperature at which it self-sustains? If that is how it works, that's interesting. I thought the data in the Essen/Kullander report suggested that is how the E-Cat performs . Maybe I am recalling incorrectly. Harry
Re: [Vo]:STMicroelectronics report on their version of the Celani apparatus
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Does this mean they did not detect any anomalous gamma or neutrons emissions? If so then it is more evidence that the Celani doesn't produce excess heat. Incorrect. Most cold fusion devices that produce excess heat do not produce measurable gamma or neutron emissions. Cold fusion is not plasma fusion. If it were, I would be dead. I meant that if the excess heat is real and whatever the cause of the excess heat, the excess heat might force a limited number of transmutations and emit a small amount of gammas and neutrons. Harry
