Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Reveal

[Susanna Gipp]

IMHO
 it's nothing more than the usual load (mix of B.S. and lies) to feed his
supporters over the web.
The difference is that this meal comes at 2016 celebration
Now let's wait for the next bucket within 6/12 months if he will be still
around.



2016-01-01 7:27 GMT+01:00 Axil Axil :

> Andrea Rossi
> January 1st, 2016 at 12:19 AM
>
> Dear Readers of the JoNP:
> It’s 00.00.01″ of January 1st 2016.
> Update: the 1 MW E-Cat is stable and in ssm, the E-Cat X is very promising
> and still operating and making heat, electricity.
> The E-Cat X is very close to the design of the core of the apparatus
> described in the US Patent, I mean the wafer. It has been engineered to
> resist to very high temperatures. The electricity exits directly from the
> wafer.
> As I said , several nights ago I had a dream. The E-Cat X had been
> produced in billions pieces, each of them assembled with others in various
> combinations to make public lamps: a town was totally illuminated by the
> E-Cat X and from every lamp a network of pipes and of wires was able to
> distribute heat and electricity to the houses.
> In that town there were about 1 million lamps each of them of 500 watts,
> consuming about 50 watts; consequently, there were 450 MWh/h produced, of
> which about half were turned into heat distributed to the houses through a
> network of well insulated pipes, running inderground, like optic fibers,
> the other half was used to enlight the town and to distribute electricity
> to the households. The cost of the E-Cat X was around 50 $/kW of power, due
> to the production of billions of pieces per year in all the world, with
> tens of thousands of jobs. Less taxes were paid by the people, due to the
> saves derived from low pollution and low energy cost for public services.
> Millions of persons were also earning money selling E-Cats and every owner
> of E-Cats was saving money in utilities ( electricity, heat, light).
> Then I heard the alarm clock: it was time to return to the factory, to
> make true the dream. F9.
> Happy new year, I love you all.
> I am drinking my cup of Korbel champagne, then i have to return to the
> gauges of the plant. She is good, tonight.
> Again, Happy 2016, May God bless you all,
> Andrea
>

[Vo]:Mats on Defkalion

[Susanna Gipp]

Hello folks

did anybody have  the chance to read this?
http://matslew.wordpress.com/2014/05/12/defkalion-demo-proven-not-to-be-reliable/

kinda unbelievable how was cheap the trick they used to fool Gamberale

Cheers
Suz

Re: [Vo]:US Examiner Addresses Andrea Rossi US Patent Application

[Susanna Gipp]

Whatcha talkin bout Daniel!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k



2014-04-02 20:05 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com:

 Why do you say that?


 On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote:

 Basically, Rossi's soap opera will surely be over in 6 months, at most.


 2014-04-02 11:19 GMT-03:00 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com:

 David French wrote this article, and sent me the link:


 http://coldfusionnow.org/us-examiner-addresses-andrea-rossi-us-patent-application/

 - Jed




 --
 Daniel Rocha - RJ
 danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:pictures of 1mw E-cat plant shipping

[Susanna Gipp]

There's non need to compare scratches for who carefully followed the 2011
Oct demo.
What i wanted to point out is that A.R. promised pictures of the customer
delivery of three assets but what we saw is just the moving of the same old
box from a dismissing facility (bologna) to the new one (Ferrara).
I know that for hard believing fans these worth gold but for us poor
skeptics it looks like one of our smart energy hero's countless jokes.
Cheers




2013/5/3 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com

 At 12:10 PM 5/3/2013, you wrote:

 I would better title this thread as pictures of 1MW E-cat towing.
 Who didn't recognize the same Oct 2011 demo big box at the Bologna's
 facility?


 I suppose you could compare the scratch marks etc etc.

 Myself, I would have taken greater care to strap down all the connectors.
 http://postimg.org/image/**y1smh83jt/http://postimg.org/image/y1smh83jt/
 

 The one at the bottom-left, with the blue tip, is going to go cachonka -
 cachonka - cocahonka for twenty days. I wonder if it will survive the trip.

Re: [Vo]:pictures of 1mw E-cat plant shipping

[Susanna Gipp]

I would better title this thread as pictures of 1MW E-cat towing.
Who didn't recognize the same Oct 2011 demo big box at the Bologna's
facility?


2013/5/3 Jack Cole jcol...@gmail.com

 Looks like AR has delivered on his promise.


 http://www.e-catworld.com/2013/05/e-cat-shipping-pictures-posted-on-the-jonp/

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Patent updates

[Susanna Gipp]

I know where it takes place ... in the tenth of thousand of warm regards!



2013/4/17 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com

 At 01:23 AM 4/17/2013, Teslaalset wrote:

 This is in contradiction with the performance of Rossi's 'hot cat' where
 he's getting 1000 degrees C.
 Copper melts at 1083 degrees C.


 The thermalization takes place elsewhere ... in particular, away from the
 nickel/hydrogen, where the patent says 500C.

Re: [Vo]:Latest report from Celani

[Susanna Gipp]

Jed
 Don't rely too much on Celani and his crew English. It looks even worse
that Rossi's slang.
 P.S. Sometimes he's hard to understand in Italian too :)

2013/4/3 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com

 The good folks at MFPM suggested that Celani's December presentation
 probably refers to the MFPM work described here:


 http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/follow-2/176-eu-cell-2-active-wire-run

 And here:


 http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/follow-2/176-eu-cell-2-active-wire-run

 And more recently, here:


 http://www.quantumheat.org/index.php/follow/follow-2/225-eu-v1-3-cell-progress

 They say Mathier will post a video tour and description of it in the next
 few days as an update.

 I sense that Celani may be reading more into these results than the MFMP
 people are. There may be an enthusiasm gap. That's just me. Judge for
 yourself.

 - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Third-Party Paper : Good News / Bad News

[Susanna Gipp]

Unless it's another hot air balloon launch to earn time and keep its
supporters happy...  Who knows?


2013/1/18 David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com

 I have my fingers crossed.


Dave, don't hold them too long otherwise you're going to have them blocked
forever
Cheers

Re: [Vo]:Unobtainium and Beryllium (Belynium?)

[Susanna Gipp]

Actually I heard that in Savona (Italy) University they found a rare
isotope of Beryllium. They named it Belynium an there are strong suspects
that (along Unobtainium) is part of Rossi's and Defkalion catalyzer secret
mixture.
As soon I found it I'll post the related paper.




2012/12/7 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com

 At 05:02 PM 12/6/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:

 Yes, a more powerful reaction would be nice, but we must work with what
 we have, as Abd stresses. We will die of old age if we sit around waiting
 UPS to deliver a $1.5 million package of unobtainium.


 It's coming? And the reward of patience is ... patience.

 Actually, I asked for $1.5 million so I could *attempt to obtain* this
 crucial material. That would include my overhead, travel expenses, etc. You
 don't think it's easy to buy unobtainium, do you?

 If we actually find some, we might need to go back for more funding to
 actually purchase it.

 However, the bright side: unobtainium is expected to be simply a catalyst.
 So it will not be destroyed in the experiments, and we could resell it.
 Given how much work it will have taken to find the material, we could
 probably break it down into smaller pieces and resell them to recover the
 funding, with the profit from resale covering the initial outlay.

 Actually, seriously, I just bought a bit over 5 grams of beryllium metal,
 99.9% pure,on eBay for $37. What I really wanted was a very small piece of
 beryllium foil, but was I patient? No

 Did I ask if someone had a small piece they could spare? No

 I found how insanely expensive beryllium foil was and assumed that
 beryllium itself must be so as well. No, I paid a reasonable price, it
 turns out, for 5 grams. However, what I really want is a tiny piece that I
 can fit in the well of an Am-241 ionization source from a smoke detector,
 because the conversion rate for alphas to neutrons by Be-9 is very low, and
 so getting the beryllium as close as possible to the alpha source is
 desirable. In commercial Am-Be neutron sources, they actually blend the Be
 and Am oxide. And they use a thousand times as much Am-241, i.e., one
 mCurie, instead of the 0.9 uCurie in a smoke detector source.

 (My goal is to test LR-115 SSNTD material for neutron detection. I had the
 naive idea that I might be able to bash the Beryllium metal with a hammer
 to make a thin foil, then cut a piece. Maybe. Probably not a great idea.
 Beryllium is very hard, it might shatter. I don't want to use machining or
 cutting techniques that would create small fragments, turning my apartment
 or basement into a hazardous waste area. I may try using this little ingot
 directly, and maybe the Be itself will multiply the neutrons a bit. But any
 ideas?)

Re: [Vo]:Kresenn Ltd: a new player on the LENR market?

[Susanna Gipp]

Wow another web site and a po box full of  bulls... ahem free energy
promises.
What are they're selling ? A cheap copy of Rossi's stuff ?



2012/7/28 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com

 On 2012-07-28 19:27, Akira Shirakawa wrote:

  I wonder if others
 will join the LENR market in the meantime.


 Here I meant to write: the rush to market.

 Cheers,
 S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Conspiracy theory

[Susanna Gipp]

Dear Axil, as matter of Pinocchio's syndrome, how not to mention that,
despite what he declared to FL buereau inspector -
http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/03/10/florida-bureau-rossi-has-no-factory-no-nuclear-reactions/-
he recently stated this:

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=54#comment-235319


   -  Andrea Rossi
May 19th, 2012 at 5:10
PMhttp://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=54#comment-235319

   Dear Franco:
   We are working with good stability at 600 Celsius degrees. This, if
   confirmed by the next tests, clearly opens all the possible doors.
   Warm Regards,
   A.R.
   p.s. Today, Saturday May 19th,right now, 6.10 p.m. in *Miami*, I am
   working at *600 Celsius* with the new E-Cat


The only explanation is that Florida Bureau is not aware of the existance
of  the Journal of Nuclear Physics.

H'is really a luky man having his personal Blue Fairy ever-ready to send a
flock of nose resizing  birds.

Cheers
Suz


2012/7/10 Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com

 Conspiracy theory

 We have all been studying Rossi like a bug under a microscope since that
 cold dark mid-January winter’s day when he first announced his first public
 demo in 2011.

 We came to recognize his genius, but he had his limits, he had limitations
 on coming up with the physical theory that underlies his reactor.

 He was very smart but his reactor had flaws that he just could not find a
 way to fix.

 To refresh recent history, then came the big test under the knowing eye of
 Fioravanti “the colonel”, a mystery man. It appears that no one has found
 any signs of Domenico Fioravanti existing prior to his appearance at
 Rossi's October 28th show.

 Usually a distinguished engineer and military man would leave some trace
 of his existence behind:  professional organizations, newspaper clippings
 of promotions, something.  Out of the legions that looked, no one has found
 one shred of evidence that this man exists.

 WHO IS THE CUSTOMER?

 Customer's spokesman, Domenico Fioravanti, retired colonel of the Genio*,
 doesn't tell anything that would be revealing of its identity, but it is
 Rossi himself who gives Focus to something more: «We are building a 130 MW
 thermal plant, made of 13 plants such as the one you saw on October 28th:
 but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the
 name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer».


 Then all when dark in Rossi world for a long while as the military
 research when on.  But this slipped out…Rossi can’t keep his moth shut.

 Dear Italo R.
 Yes, it is the same: we are still working on it with National Instruments
 and with the Customer. It will take another month before it will be ready.

 Warm Regards,

 A.R.

 Then came the announcement of some astonishing things…unbelievable things,
 the seemingly insolvable stability problems that had plagued Rossi for
 years were now solved; now the Rossi reactor does not even need coolant
 anymore and maintains a rock steady temperature in the air.

 It seemed like Rossi had found some extraterrestrial intelligent, a super
 race had made themselves known to solve his problems and inform this
 theories. Or maybe a gang of time travelers from the next millennium who
 came to visit our reality to give Rossi the answers he desperately needed.
 The progress he made was unnatural; the 1 MW reactor that needed a
 shipping container to package has been downsized from the size it had been
 in the October test to something smaller. No need for a shipping container
 anymore.

 Rossi would not do this miniaturization on his own hook; the downsizing
 had to have come as a strict requirement from the military customer.

 The multiple cores are no more. The one MW reactor is now the size of a
 suitcase containing 100 10 KW cores cigarette pack sized 10KW single
 cores.

 It uses solid state direct heat to electric conversion.
 The core is now solid state like a computer chip and no mention of the
 secret sauce.

 There is now a hydride source of hydrogen.

 Yes Rossi is smart, but now his intellect is expanded beyond all limits if
 he has done all these wonders alone in only ½ year.

 Or he could have had help…lots of help…selfless help. But who could have
 given him all that help and ask for nothing in return except to be kept in
 the deep background away from public view? The mystery builds. Who
 could these selfless benefactors be…

 * *In Mesopotamian mythology , are associated with the divine realm, but
 cannot be considered gods, but primarily, guardians or tutelary spirits of
 places where men should not have access.  It is thought that their
 representation would be worth apotropaic.

 In the most ancient traditions, the jinn were spirits of vanished peoples,
 who acted as night and hid at daybreak.  Other traditions say that they are
 beings of fire.  In all cases these beings with characteristics of elves
 and other mythical beings basic nature, which may, depending on your 

Re: [Vo]:Essay on the possible impacts of LENR to the oil industry... straight from the source!

[Susanna Gipp]

Nice speculation.
More or less is like to speculate on the possible impacts to the toy
industry if Santa Claus is real.

Cheers
Suz

2012/7/7 Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com

 Hello group,
 This is via E-Cat World [1].

 Follow this link:
 http://www.**mydigitalpublication.com/**publication/?i=116298http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=116298

 Click Contents on the tool bar above, then page 18. Title is:
 Guest Editorial - On the Precipice of a New Energy Source?

 Enjoy your read,
 S.A.

 [1] http://www.e-catworld.com/**2012/07/editorial-in-oil-**
 industry-trade-magazine-**focuses-on-lenr-threat/http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/editorial-in-oil-industry-trade-magazine-focuses-on-lenr-threat/

Re: [Vo]:Rossi 1MW update + Interview

[Susanna Gipp]

http://wikitravel.org/upload/en/6/69/TemeculaBalloonFestival.jpg

2012/5/14 Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com

  *E-Cat World Exclusive Interview with Andrea Rossi, May 12, 2012.*
 http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/05/e-cat-world-exclusive-interview-with-andrea-rossi-may-12-2012/

 4-page transcript.  Sticking with COP=6 for safety/stability reasons.

Re: [Vo]:Speculation: Where is Rossi allegedly manufacturing his eCats?

[Susanna Gipp]

I can't believe how so many people are still after Rossi's tales, puzzling
about customers, factories, partners, certifications, patents and so on.
Here a hint about Rossi's ecat
factoryhttp://www.santa.net/help-elves-make-toys/location.
Enjoy :)

2012/2/27 ecat builder ecatbuil...@gmail.com

 I enjoy speculation... Since http://defkalion-energy.com/ is offline
 and news is quiet...

 Since Rossi can be removed from his position of CEO by the Leonardo
 board of directors, it means that Rossi has sold a majority of his
 company shares in exchange for cash, talent, and other business
 assets.

 The purchasing of Leonardo shares may have been done through one or
 more companies or a venture capital group. Rossi suggests it is a
 single company that has a business presence that might be narrowed
 down by revealing which state the factory will be located in. I think
 East Coast is probable.

 The size of the deal would have to be pretty large if Rossi has a
 convincing demo. I'd say the market cap of a business buying Leonardo
 would have a market cap over 5B and is probably a Fortune 1000 (or
 Global 500) company. My guess is Energy sector, other than oil... or
 aerospace...  GE? LMT, SI... Interesting to speculate how a company
 like GOOG or AAPL could make a go of it.

 - Brad

Re: [Vo]:[JONP] About Leonardo Corp. property + end of partnership with NI

[Susanna Gipp]

End of Partnership? Which one? LOL
As far as we know, it has not even started.
In my opinion he just got in touch with the local italian dealer, browsed
the product catalogue, made a lot of chatters as he loves to, received a
quote, got scared and ran away.
The length of his answer on JoNP, instead of the usual yes/no+ warm
regards, tells a lot about how much uncomfortable this story is.


2012/2/19 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com

 From JONP
 http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580cpage=4#comment-187119.
 By the way is there anywhere a more accurate business directory than
 this for NH?
 https://www.sos.nh.gov/corporate/soskb/Corp.asp?414253


 Lu Fong
 February 19th, 2012 at 2:15 PM

 Dear Andrea Rossi,

 I am watching the development of the E-Cat very carefully. Yesterday
 it was reported that National Instruments and Leonardo
 Corporation/Andrea Rossi or partners are no longer doing business
 together.

 1. Is this true? If true will this development affect your
 manufacturing schedule of 12-18 months?

 2. Does the E-Cat have a control system ready for commercialization
 and manufacture in your factory?

 3. Is delivery of the 1MW E-Cat to your 1st customer still on schedule
 (less than 1 month from now)?

 Thanks and good luck with your invention and work.

 L.F.

 Andrea Rossi
 February 19th, 2012 at 2:52 PM

 Dear Lu Fong:
 I have received many comments with the same questions, so I answer to
 you and the answers are valid also for the other Readers who have put
 the same questions.
 We have worked very well with N.I., and we have learnt from them very
 much. We are very grateful to them for all what they have teached to
 us, training our technological people in a very useful way, for weeks.
 As I said already, Leonardo Corporation is structurally changed in
 these last weeks, and the Trust to which now Leonardo Corporation
 belongs has chosen other suppliers. Also our Customer has chosen other
 suppliers for the first generation of the domestic E-Cats and of the 1
 MW plants. We will remain always grateful to NI for what they teached
 to our people and we will ask in future proposals also to them .
 Personally, I am convinced that sooner or later we will buy also their
 systems.
 Said this, I want answer in the detail to your questions:
 1- Our scheduling, obviously, will not be affected, the suppliers we
 have chosen are already respecting all the scheduled milestones.
 2- 3- Yes, we have already the control systems set up in the 1 MW
 plant, which will be delivered to the Customer very soon. By the way,
 such systems have been chosen directly from the Customer, who
 preferred a supplier he was already working with.
 I want to add that we have chosen other Customers not because better,
 but only because of their longstanding collaboration with our Partners
 and Customer. I personally think that NI is a very good company and,
 again, we will maintain them in our list of Suppliers, honoured of
 this.
 The 1 MW plant is a magnificence, and the preparation of the robotized
 line to produce the E-Cats is in schedule to start the production
 within Autumn and the deliveries within the next Winter, with some
 luck; in the worst case, within 18 months we will deliver, and we will
 deliver at the prices we promised. The technology has been
 revolutionized, we are testing the new E-Cats and we are very
 satisfied. This very week we will start to use the new control system
 made by the new Supplier.
 Let me do a last consideration: the fact that snakes and clowns have
 used this episode to create a mess is the demonstration that we have
 not to release the names of our Partner, Suppliers and Customers, to
 avoid the falsifications that the puppet snakes and the clowns make up
 and, over all, the disturbments that they bring up to all the entities
 working with us. We all need to work in peace. We have to work in our
 factories 16 hours per day (also today, Sunday) and we have not time
 at all to compete in the field of the chatters of snakes who are PAID
 by their puppeteers to try to create a mess from nothing.
 Warm Regards,
 A.R.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi lies again to cover his data fraud

[Susanna Gipp]

Shaun please note also how far from the heat exchanger was placed the Tin
probe.
Even before the flow meter! Why ?


2012/1/23 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com

 On 23/01/2012 6:14 PM, Jojo Jaro wrote:
 

 Shaun, you are in error. I have examined your pictures and like Mary, I
 do not see the significance of the goop you are referring to. BUT ...
 For the sake of discussion, I accept your premise that the goop was
 placed there so that Tout can be higher than it would have been.


 First point, Jed was not there.

 Ok so lets move forward on the assumption Rossi had placed the sensor to
 generate a higher than reality Tout.

 As the delta T was at best 10 deg C, a bias of 6 or 7 deg C would say
 there was no excess during the power applied phase.

 Then the heaters were disconnected and the RFG was engaged.

 Here I see 2 avenues to apply power during the self sustain mode.

 Via the RFG leads which could be a high DC voltage with a small AC ripple.
 This would show up on a AC amp meter as a small current with the DC
 supplying the secret heating.

 This job could be split between the Small Blue Box (SBB) AC heater
 excitation. It could also generate a DC output with a small AC ripple.

 It amazes me with all the brains in that room and with the future of LENR
 credibility on the line, NO ONE brought a portable digital oscilloscope and
 looked at what the RFG and the SBB were ACTUALLY generating. Digital meters
 are well known to under report current and voltage from complex non
 sinusoidal wave shapes.

 But instead of doing proper checking on what was ACTUALLY being fed into
 the Ecat, they relied on Rossi.

 Well they got taken for a ride.

 Shaun

Re: [Vo]:Ampenergo's email is disabled

[Susanna Gipp]

May I suggest you to call the office that shares the same address ? ((603)
668 7000). ?
Coldstream  Office Park 116 South River Road | Bedford, Bedford NH
Karl Norwood must have some info since he's both the owner of the
reale-state company above and a member of Ampenergo directory board.

Hera a couple of pointers.

http://www.esowatch.com/en/index.php?title=Focardi-Rossi_Energy-Catalyzer#AmpEnergo
http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/more-details-about-ampenergo-deal-available

Maybe, if you get an human response, could be better not to mention right
away ampenergo but first to ask to get Karl Norwood to the phone.

Please, if you call, don't forget to post here what you find out.
Thanks!

2012/1/23 Shaun Taylor shauntaylor...@gmail.com

 A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its
 recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed:

  ecolog...@tellink.net
(ultimately generated from i...@ampenergo.com)
SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:ecolog...@tellink.net
 :
host ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM [74.125.65.27]: 550 5.2.1 The email account
 that you tried to reach is disabled. b3si4290135anh.93

 -- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. --

 Seems Ampenergo no longer wants to talk to anybody. Wonder why? No one on
 the payroll? Is the web site only a ghost of a now dead Ampenergo?

 Anyone have their phone number? If so Skype call them and report on what
 happens.

 If Rossi no longer has a functional Americas licensee, what does that say
 about the validity of his secret US customer?

 Will Rossi soon say Sorry my bad interpenetration. I meant to say I hope
 to soon have a customer.

 The great temple of cards, build to honour the LENR God Ecat is starting
 to fall apart no matter how many lies or false data the High Priest Rossi
 mutters and creates in secret incantations.

 Yea the faithful do not tremble in fear as the foundations crumble and
 temple falls apart around you. Instead you heart should be strong and
 rejoice as the Lord God Ecat will not be stopped and will save you and your
 polluted planet. So says the High Priest Rossi.

 Spew, barf, gag, vomit.

 Shaun

Re: [Vo]:Goodbye Greg

[Susanna Gipp]

whoa  whoa whoa  (as yosemite sam) 
Hold on guys. You're both wrong !
 I know for sure who's AG! He's the Andrea Rossi's plumbers !

Re: [Vo]:Rossi announces a titanic step forward, how he will deal with competitors and 1m E-Cats for 2012

[Susanna Gipp]

Come on guys! What the proof is of the  existence of this big customer ? A
lot of Rossi's words of course, a mysteriuos engineer named Fioravanti
(Colonel uh ?)  Retired ? Unenployed ? Not appearing anywhere in any
phonebook or internet professional board ... ?!
Just for the record, Fioravanti is a very common lastname in Bologna area.


2011/12/29 Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com

 **


 On 11-12-29 01:57 AM, Mary Yugo wrote:



 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 7:05 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote:


 On 11-12-28 08:40 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
  Unless I'm greatly mistaken, you've accused a number of people of
 failing to exist.


  The only allegation of non existence I've ever made is the non-existence
 of a proper and credible experiment that proves that the E-cat works as
 advertised.   Of that, I'm quite sure.

 The other non-existence attributes I've alleged are only potential -- as
 in: Rossi's anonymous customer may not exist or may be associated with
 Rossi. -- to give an example.  I've never accused anyone of fraud in
 conjunction with Rossi and Defkalion.  I have, however, pointed to Steorn
 as an example of something which developed similarly and appears very
 similar and clearly is a fraud -- which has been crystal clear for at least
 two years. I have said many times that Rossi and Defkalion could be
 frauds.  I think the probability that they are is quite significant.  It's
 an opinion-- not a statement of facts.

 Having said all that, Stephen, please prove you exist.


 That's a tough one.

 Descartes's proof was defective, of course -- it proved only that I do
 not see how I could not exist, not that I could not possibly not exist.
 Among other issues with his proof, the rules of inference with which he was
 working are an assumption, akin to an axiom, and can't be proven.

Re: [Vo]:Private information about Rossi was the Ampernergo tests described by McKubre

[Susanna Gipp]

Jed,
How we call inidipendent the tests made by Ampenergo ?
Do we have something else excepts a bunch of words ? Do you know who they
are ?
These guys are all friends or in someway related to Rossi.
Somewhere there is the list and where thy come from (Leonardo, LTI..).
I wouldn't be surprised also that some of them are involved in the TEG
story.
Sorry but in my world independent test has a different meaning.

Regards



2011/12/19 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com

 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax a...@lomaxdesign.com wrote:

 Jed, you have previously stated that you have private information on which
 you base your conclusions as to the reality of Rossi. Please cut the rest
 of us some slack! We have no way of knowing if your private information is
 sound, or if you have been misled, or if you have drawn unsound conclusions
 from what you know.


 Mainly what I know was revealed by McKubre in his recent talk:

 http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/McKubreMCHwhathappen.pdf

 See where it says AmpEnerco Run I

 These were independent tests done by Ampenergo before they made an
 agreement with Rossi. Various experts participated, including someone
 McKubre knows well. He trusts his expert. I know some of those people too,
 and I trust them. That is not to suggest that I can judge calorimetry as
 well as McKubre can! Far from it. But it isn't hard to judge these
 results. These tests were similar to the public tests conducted by Rossi,
 only they were independent, with someone else's instruments. Somewhat
 better instruments, proper computers and so on, but basically the same sort
 of HVAC test procedures.

 Okay, ask yourself this. Suppose you know that tests similar the 18-hour
 February test and the October self-sustaining tests were done, with
 instruments supplied and operated by someone you knew to be an expert, and
 a trustworthy person. Would that convince you? If the answer is yes, you
 can see why McKubre and I are pretty confident this result is real. On the
 other hand, if the HVAC-style testing does not satisfy you, then you will
 not be convinced.

 Mary Yugo has said she demands a blank run. As far as I know they did not
 do one. I think she wants to see a Seebeck calorimeter. I am sure they did
 not use that. So she would not be satisfied by these tests.

 That's all there is to it. I have no knowledge of Rossi's personal
 business. For all I know he might be robbing dozens of investors. I do not
 think he is. I have absolutely no knowledge of any such thing, no evidence,
 and frankly I could not care less if he is robbing people. I am sure his
 claims are real. That does not preclude the possibility that he is
 defrauding people; it would mean he is defrauding them with a genuine cold
 fusion reactor. Not my problem.

 Here is a key issue. Rossi's personality is an open book thanks to his
 website. That is unique to the 21st century. People who dismiss him because
 of his personality should think about that. Suppose in 1879 Edison had a
 kept an Internet blog while he invented the incandescent light. Suppose
 everyone could follow along with his trials and tribulations and his
 frequent crazy ideas. Now, 140 years later, you can read detailed
 biographies of him. You can read the lab notebooks. You can see why some of
 his investors lost their nerve and sold out for pennies on the dollar as he
 floundered around spending rivers of money, changing the design
 radically, apparently getting nowhere. In my opinion, his comments were no
 less extreme than Rossi's; his behavior no less erratic. That is true of
 many other famous inventors. It is also true of many ordinary programmers,
 chemists and others doing creative work that is worthy, difficult, but
 never becomes famous. It is true of some top notch gourmet chefs; a guy I
 know who can climb and cut down just about any tree with minimal equipment
 but frightful risk; and many farmers and fishermen in Yamaguchi. People who
 do extraordinary, creative, or dangerous things are sometimes odd. If they
 were not odd, they would do these things. In the past, we did not know how
 odd people such as Edison were until long after they became rich  famous,
 when all their sins were forgiven. Now, with Rossi, we learn of it in real
 time.

 My guess is that people such as Mary Yugo cannot look past Rossi's
 personality because they have not read many biographies, diaries and
 personal papers left by famous people. They have not met a broad range of
 people from other cultures, or eccentric people, or downright crazy people.
 I have. I mean that literally. I grew up encountering people who were
 diagnosed with mental illness, in the era before effective
 psychotropic drugs. You can read about them here:


 http://books.google.com/books/about/The_psychiatric_halfway_house.html?id=8wsEAQAAIAAJ

 (The authors are my mother and my aunt.)

 In other words, I am used to discounting personality quirks, and looking
 at the content of the work. That is not an easy thing to do. It is