Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Someone visited North Korea and took some hundreds of good quality pictures. http://testroete.com/northkorea.html It is not that common to see those from that poor country. –Jouni
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Overall that seems much, much better than my country. Poor people here are in way worse conditions than in those photos. 2012/1/3 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Someone visited North Korea and took some hundreds of good quality pictures. http://testroete.com/northkorea.html It is not that common to see those from that poor country. –Jouni -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Please if you are interested in North Korea situation go on the youtube and watch some of the several videos about the real North Korea. Here is one by National Geographic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXfMMHV8FM What one has to understand that North Korea created the capital city as an haven for privileged people. The picture you are seeing in the Jouni's link is not how the poor people live but how the privileged do (well, the dictator himself lives much, much better of course) . When a foreigner visitor comes to North Korea he sees only setups where they show a Disneyland fantasy of North Korea. The visitor is always in the presence of some guide from the government. Everything is scheduled and propped. The food, the houses, the children dancing, all set up to show a decent face of North Korea to external world. The reality is that millions are starving to death everywhere else. Internet is forbidden, any computers has to be registered, cell phone are only for a tiny elite. Any criticism of the government is punished with concentration camps for the offender and his extended family. You get to be part of the elite that lives in the capital by spying on people and be a servant to the ruling class. Please get informed and do anything possible to make people aware on how horrible are the life condition in North Korea. Nobody in the world should live in such a hell. Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Overall that seems much, much better than my country. Poor people here are in way worse conditions than in those photos. 2012/1/3 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Someone visited North Korea and took some hundreds of good quality pictures. http://testroete.com/northkorea.html It is not that common to see those from that poor country. –Jouni -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Yeah, anti NK propaganda. 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com Please if you are interested in North Korea situation dgo on the youtube and watch some of the several videos about the real North Korea. Here is one by National Geographic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXfMMHV8FM What one has to understand that North Korea created the capital city as an haven for privileged people. The picture you are seeing in the Jouni's link is not how the poor people live but how the privileged do (well, the dictator himself lives much, much better of course) . When a foreigner visitor comes to North Korea he sees only setups where they show a Disneyland fantasy of North Korea. The visitor is always in the presence of some guide from the government. Everything is scheduled and propped. The food, the houses, the children dancing, all set up to show a decent face of North Korea to external world. The reality is that millions are starving to death everywhere else. Internet is forbidden, any computers has to be registered, cell phone are only for a tiny elite. Any criticism of the government is punished with concentration camps for the offender and his extended family. You get to be part of the elite that lives in the capital by spying on people and be a servant to the ruling class. Please get informed and do anything possible to make people aware on how horrible are the life condition in North Korea. Nobody in the world should live in such a hell. Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Overall that seems much, much better than my country. Poor people here are in way worse conditions than in those photos. 2012/1/3 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Someone visited North Korea and took some hundreds of good quality pictures. http://testroete.com/northkorea.html It is not that common to see those from that poor country. –Jouni -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Right, people shorter by 2-3 inches in average from their South-Korean counterpart is propaganda. Several humanitarian organizations talking about 3 million deaths by starvation is propaganda. Watch the documentary and tell me where the propaganda is. Watch how people that were helped by the humanitarian mission by the Nepalese doctor for free to regain their eyesight don't thank the doctor but the dictator portrait, tell me where is the propaganda in that. Come on Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, anti NK propaganda. 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com Please if you are interested in North Korea situation dgo on the youtube and watch some of the several videos about the real North Korea. Here is one by National Geographic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXfMMHV8FM What one has to understand that North Korea created the capital city as an haven for privileged people. The picture you are seeing in the Jouni's link is not how the poor people live but how the privileged do (well, the dictator himself lives much, much better of course) . When a foreigner visitor comes to North Korea he sees only setups where they show a Disneyland fantasy of North Korea. The visitor is always in the presence of some guide from the government. Everything is scheduled and propped. The food, the houses, the children dancing, all set up to show a decent face of North Korea to external world. The reality is that millions are starving to death everywhere else. Internet is forbidden, any computers has to be registered, cell phone are only for a tiny elite. Any criticism of the government is punished with concentration camps for the offender and his extended family. You get to be part of the elite that lives in the capital by spying on people and be a servant to the ruling class. Please get informed and do anything possible to make people aware on how horrible are the life condition in North Korea. Nobody in the world should live in such a hell. Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Overall that seems much, much better than my country. Poor people here are in way worse conditions than in those photos. 2012/1/3 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Someone visited North Korea and took some hundreds of good quality pictures. http://testroete.com/northkorea.html It is not that common to see those from that poor country. –Jouni -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
The suspenseful music talking all the time. Forgetting that most people have superstition everywhere, even by thanking acts living people, like Pope's touch. Being shorter as a measure of poverty. Not acknowledging or giving credit for the NK's reasons for their isolation and thus possible deaths by starvation (pictures please,btw), make sure that these humanitarian organizations are just not corrupted by american interests, etc 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com Right, people shorter by 2-3 inches in average from their South-Korean counterpart is propaganda. Several humanitarian organizations talking about 3 million deaths by starvation is propaganda. Watch the documentary and tell me where the propaganda is. Watch how people that were helped by the humanitarian mission by the Nepalese doctor for free to regain their eyesight don't thank the doctor but the dictator portrait, tell me where is the propaganda in that. Come on Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, anti NK propaganda. 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com Please if you are interested in North Korea situation dgo on the youtube and watch some of the several videos about the real North Korea. Here is one by National Geographic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXfMMHV8FM What one has to understand that North Korea created the capital city as an haven for privileged people. The picture you are seeing in the Jouni's link is not how the poor people live but how the privileged do (well, the dictator himself lives much, much better of course) . When a foreigner visitor comes to North Korea he sees only setups where they show a Disneyland fantasy of North Korea. The visitor is always in the presence of some guide from the government. Everything is scheduled and propped. The food, the houses, the children dancing, all set up to show a decent face of North Korea to external world. The reality is that millions are starving to death everywhere else. Internet is forbidden, any computers has to be registered, cell phone are only for a tiny elite. Any criticism of the government is punished with concentration camps for the offender and his extended family. You get to be part of the elite that lives in the capital by spying on people and be a servant to the ruling class. Please get informed and do anything possible to make people aware on how horrible are the life condition in North Korea. Nobody in the world should live in such a hell. Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Overall that seems much, much better than my country. Poor people here are in way worse conditions than in those photos. 2012/1/3 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Someone visited North Korea and took some hundreds of good quality pictures. http://testroete.com/northkorea.html It is not that common to see those from that poor country. –Jouni -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
These are all good points, at the same time as with everything you have to put all the evidence together to get an overall picture. The starvation is real, I spent all day yesterday in looking at documentaries and reportage about North Korea. There is a lot of information from different countries talking about the same thing. There are thousands of people that escape North Korea that are good witnesses of what is going on in NK and they say the same thing. I have been in the Baltic after the fall of the Soviet Union and I recognize a lot of the same signs of repression of totalitarian systems but much worse in this version. Listen to some of the news reports made in NK. The announcer talks as it is announcing some kind of end of the world news even when they talk about daily situations. You have to listen for yourself to see what I'm talking about. It is all part of the same capillary mechanism of brainwashing and control of the population. Believe me I'm a strong critic of capitalism and many american attitudes but there is no doubt the NK is a brutal government. Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: The suspenseful music talking all the time. Forgetting that most people have superstition everywhere, even by thanking acts living people, like Pope's touch. Being shorter as a measure of poverty. Not acknowledging or giving credit for the NK's reasons for their isolation and thus possible deaths by starvation (pictures please,btw), make sure that these humanitarian organizations are just not corrupted by american interests, etc 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com Right, people shorter by 2-3 inches in average from their South-Korean counterpart is propaganda. Several humanitarian organizations talking about 3 million deaths by starvation is propaganda. Watch the documentary and tell me where the propaganda is. Watch how people that were helped by the humanitarian mission by the Nepalese doctor for free to regain their eyesight don't thank the doctor but the dictator portrait, tell me where is the propaganda in that. Come on Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, anti NK propaganda. 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com Please if you are interested in North Korea situation dgo on the youtube and watch some of the several videos about the real North Korea. Here is one by National Geographic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXfMMHV8FM What one has to understand that North Korea created the capital city as an haven for privileged people. The picture you are seeing in the Jouni's link is not how the poor people live but how the privileged do (well, the dictator himself lives much, much better of course) . When a foreigner visitor comes to North Korea he sees only setups where they show a Disneyland fantasy of North Korea. The visitor is always in the presence of some guide from the government. Everything is scheduled and propped. The food, the houses, the children dancing, all set up to show a decent face of North Korea to external world. The reality is that millions are starving to death everywhere else. Internet is forbidden, any computers has to be registered, cell phone are only for a tiny elite. Any criticism of the government is punished with concentration camps for the offender and his extended family. You get to be part of the elite that lives in the capital by spying on people and be a servant to the ruling class. Please get informed and do anything possible to make people aware on how horrible are the life condition in North Korea. Nobody in the world should live in such a hell. Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Overall that seems much, much better than my country. Poor people here are in way worse conditions than in those photos. 2012/1/3 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Someone visited North Korea and took some hundreds of good quality pictures. http://testroete.com/northkorea.html It is not that common to see those from that poor country. –Jouni -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Were any of these documentaries done by countries or organizations not aligned with US? 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com These are all good points, at the same time as with everything you have to put all the evidence together to get an overall picture. The starvation is real, I spent all day yesterday in looking at documentaries and reportage about North Korea. There is a lot of information from different countries talking about the same thing. There are thousands of people that escape North Korea that are good witnesses of what is going on in NK and they say the same thing. I have been in the Baltic after the fall of the Soviet Union and I recognize a lot of the same signs of repression of totalitarian systems but much worse in this version. Listen to some of the news reports made in NK. The announcer talks as it is announcing some kind of end of the world news even when they talk about daily situations. You have to listen for yourself to see what I'm talking about. It is all part of the same capillary mechanism of brainwashing and control of the population. Believe me I'm a strong critic of capitalism and many american attitudes but there is no doubt the NK is a brutal government. Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: The suspenseful music talking all the time. Forgetting that most people have superstition everywhere, even by thanking acts living people, like Pope's touch. Being shorter as a measure of poverty. Not acknowledging or giving credit for the NK's reasons for their isolation and thus possible deaths by starvation (pictures please,btw), make sure that these humanitarian organizations are just not corrupted by american interests, etc 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com Right, people shorter by 2-3 inches in average from their South-Korean counterpart is propaganda. Several humanitarian organizations talking about 3 million deaths by starvation is propaganda. Watch the documentary and tell me where the propaganda is. Watch how people that were helped by the humanitarian mission by the Nepalese doctor for free to regain their eyesight don't thank the doctor but the dictator portrait, tell me where is the propaganda in that. Come on Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, anti NK propaganda. 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com Please if you are interested in North Korea situation dgo on the youtube and watch some of the several videos about the real North Korea. Here is one by National Geographic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXfMMHV8FM What one has to understand that North Korea created the capital city as an haven for privileged people. The picture you are seeing in the Jouni's link is not how the poor people live but how the privileged do (well, the dictator himself lives much, much better of course) . When a foreigner visitor comes to North Korea he sees only setups where they show a Disneyland fantasy of North Korea. The visitor is always in the presence of some guide from the government. Everything is scheduled and propped. The food, the houses, the children dancing, all set up to show a decent face of North Korea to external world. The reality is that millions are starving to death everywhere else. Internet is forbidden, any computers has to be registered, cell phone are only for a tiny elite. Any criticism of the government is punished with concentration camps for the offender and his extended family. You get to be part of the elite that lives in the capital by spying on people and be a servant to the ruling class. Please get informed and do anything possible to make people aware on how horrible are the life condition in North Korea. Nobody in the world should live in such a hell. Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Overall that seems much, much better than my country. Poor people here are in way worse conditions than in those photos. 2012/1/3 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Someone visited North Korea and took some hundreds of good quality pictures. http://testroete.com/northkorea.html It is not that common to see those from that poor country. –Jouni -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Well, BBC is pretty fair, and I think National Geographic is not necessarily a branch of the US government. There are also Dutch and other documentaries around. Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Were any of these documentaries done by countries or organizations not aligned with US? 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com These are all good points, at the same time as with everything you have to put all the evidence together to get an overall picture. The starvation is real, I spent all day yesterday in looking at documentaries and reportage about North Korea. There is a lot of information from different countries talking about the same thing. There are thousands of people that escape North Korea that are good witnesses of what is going on in NK and they say the same thing. I have been in the Baltic after the fall of the Soviet Union and I recognize a lot of the same signs of repression of totalitarian systems but much worse in this version. Listen to some of the news reports made in NK. The announcer talks as it is announcing some kind of end of the world news even when they talk about daily situations. You have to listen for yourself to see what I'm talking about. It is all part of the same capillary mechanism of brainwashing and control of the population. Believe me I'm a strong critic of capitalism and many american attitudes but there is no doubt the NK is a brutal government. Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 2:21 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: The suspenseful music talking all the time. Forgetting that most people have superstition everywhere, even by thanking acts living people, like Pope's touch. Being shorter as a measure of poverty. Not acknowledging or giving credit for the NK's reasons for their isolation and thus possible deaths by starvation (pictures please,btw), make sure that these humanitarian organizations are just not corrupted by american interests, etc 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com Right, people shorter by 2-3 inches in average from their South-Korean counterpart is propaganda. Several humanitarian organizations talking about 3 million deaths by starvation is propaganda. Watch the documentary and tell me where the propaganda is. Watch how people that were helped by the humanitarian mission by the Nepalese doctor for free to regain their eyesight don't thank the doctor but the dictator portrait, tell me where is the propaganda in that. Come on Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah, anti NK propaganda. 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com Please if you are interested in North Korea situation dgo on the youtube and watch some of the several videos about the real North Korea. Here is one by National Geographic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQXfMMHV8FM What one has to understand that North Korea created the capital city as an haven for privileged people. The picture you are seeing in the Jouni's link is not how the poor people live but how the privileged do (well, the dictator himself lives much, much better of course) . When a foreigner visitor comes to North Korea he sees only setups where they show a Disneyland fantasy of North Korea. The visitor is always in the presence of some guide from the government. Everything is scheduled and propped. The food, the houses, the children dancing, all set up to show a decent face of North Korea to external world. The reality is that millions are starving to death everywhere else. Internet is forbidden, any computers has to be registered, cell phone are only for a tiny elite. Any criticism of the government is punished with concentration camps for the offender and his extended family. You get to be part of the elite that lives in the capital by spying on people and be a servant to the ruling class. Please get informed and do anything possible to make people aware on how horrible are the life condition in North Korea. Nobody in the world should live in such a hell. Giovanni On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Overall that seems much, much better than my country. Poor people here are in way worse conditions than in those photos. 2012/1/3 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com Someone visited North Korea and took some hundreds of good quality pictures. http://testroete.com/northkorea.html It is not that common to see those from that poor country. –Jouni -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
RE: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Please take this topic over to vortexb list! -mark From: Daniel Rocha [mailto:danieldi...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 12:57 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon Were any of these documentaries done by countries or organizations not aligned with US? 2012/1/3 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com These are all good points, at the same time as with everything you have to put all the evidence together to get an overall picture. The starvation is real, I spent all day yesterday in looking at documentaries and reportage about North Korea. There is a lot of information from different countries talking about the same thing. There are thousands of people that escape North Korea that are good witnesses of what is going on in NK and they say the same thing. I have been in the Baltic after the fall of the Soviet Union and I recognize a lot of the same signs of repression of totalitarian systems but much worse in this version. Listen to some of the news reports made in NK. The announcer talks as it is announcing some kind of end of the world news even when they talk about daily situations. You have to listen for yourself to see what I'm talking about. It is all part of the same capillary mechanism of brainwashing and control of the population. Believe me I'm a strong critic of capitalism and many american attitudes but there is no doubt the NK is a brutal government. Giovanni snip
[Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Or merely a photoshop error. The nine ft tall soldier: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/12/9-foot-tall-supersoldier-mourns-kim-jong-il/250658/ T
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
It's SLENDERMAN!!! :D 2012/1/2 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com Or merely a photoshop error. The nine ft tall soldier: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/12/9-foot-tall-supersoldier-mourns-kim-jong-il/250658/ T -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: It's SLENDERMAN!!! :D I was not familiar with the myth. Apparently, one movie has been made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5apy27bksGo and another is in post production: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1658837/ T
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Not only 1 movie, but several amateur made series. I think I keep track of 10 of them, ate least. 2012/1/2 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: It's SLENDERMAN!!! :D I was not familiar with the myth. Apparently, one movie has been made: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5apy27bksGo and another is in post production: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1658837/ T -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Not only 1 movie, but several amateur made series. I think I keep track of 10 of them, ate least. So, do you think he is after Kim Jong Un (hopefully)? T
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Hopefully he will go after the american bases there too :) 2012/1/2 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Not only 1 movie, but several amateur made series. I think I keep track of 10 of them, ate least. So, do you think he is after Kim Jong Un (hopefully)? T -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully he will go after the american bases there too :) America has bases in N Korea? T
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Of course America does not have bases there. -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2012 8:57 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully he will go after the american bases there too :) America has bases in N Korea? T
Re: [Vo]:[OT] N Korea's Secret Weapon
Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: America has bases in N Korea? All your base are belong to us. - Jed
