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Terry sez: Lately Robert Park seems to be more interested in politix than fizzix: http://bobpark.org/ I have been unable to reach the website. Tried from two different locations and at different times. Both failed DId Park forget to pay the rent??? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Maybe your browser wants to see the www: http://www.bobpark.org/ On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 12:04 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Terry sez: Lately Robert Park seems to be more interested in politix than fizzix: http://bobpark.org/ I have been unable to reach the website. Tried from two different locations and at different times. Both failed DId Park forget to pay the rent??? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Terry sez: Maybe your browser wants to see the www: http://www.bobpark.org/ Yup! That was the problem. I find Park's rants on political machinations much more appealing. I suspect he should know. Incidentally, I noticed that when Carl Sagan became acutely aware of his own approaching mortality, it seemed to me that his willingness to speculate on topics previously considered taboo became much more relaxed. When one is no longer concerned about appeasing the establishment, or securing grant money and what-not...what can they do to me... kill me? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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I agree with that statement. On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Terry sez: Maybe your browser wants to see the www: http://www.bobpark.org/ Yup! That was the problem. I find Park's rants on political machinations much more appealing. I suspect he should know. Incidentally, I noticed that when Carl Sagan became acutely aware of his own approaching mortality, it seemed to me that his willingness to speculate on topics previously considered taboo became much more relaxed. When one is no longer concerned about appeasing the establishment, or securing grant money and what-not...what can they do to me... kill me? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 3:06 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Incidentally, I noticed that when Carl Sagan became acutely aware of his own approaching mortality, it seemed to me that his willingness to speculate on topics previously considered taboo became much more relaxed. When one is no longer concerned about appeasing the establishment, or securing grant money and what-not...what can they do to me... kill me? Yeah. You know what they say, There are no atheists in the foxhole. Sagan fought myelodysplasia for years finally succumbing to pneumonia. I watched his wasting and his change in attitude. Like Mulder's poster said, I want to believe.
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Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah. You know what they say, There are no atheists in the foxhole. See: Military Association of Atheists Atheists in Foxholes, in Cockpits, and on Ships http://militaryatheists.org/atheists-in-foxholes/ - Jed
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Military Association of Atheists Atheists in Foxholes, in Cockpits, and on Ships http://militaryatheists.org/atheists-in-foxholes/ Thanks, Jed; but, it was not meant to be a literal, quantitative statement. It was meant to express a general willingness to be open toward the end.
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From Terry: Thanks, Jed; but, it was not meant to be a literal, quantitative statement. It was meant to express a general willingness to be open toward the end. I second that. I have an anecdotal story regarding someone I knew who once encountered Sagan in a casual setting. A group of cohorts, including Sagan, were meeting in a hotel bar for a couple of drinks. As the drinks flowed and tongues got a little looser, Sagan slipped out a personal incident he once experienced where he wanted to get funding to study how would society react if we were suddenly confronted with irrefutable evidence proving beyond a shadow of doubt that extraterrestrial civilizations existed. Sagan said he could not get funding for such a project. It's my understanding that Sagan was also told in no uncertain terms that he should drop the exploration of further proposals of such a nature... that is, if he wanted to keep his good standing. The observer of this conversation was left with the distinct impression that Sagan did not like being told what he could and could not research. But Sagan knew which side of the bread the butter was on. And that was that. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Jed; but, it was not meant to be a literal, quantitative statement. Hey, I am a literal-minded guy. What can I say? - Jed
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On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Jed; but, it was not meant to be a literal, quantitative statement. Hey, I am a literal-minded guy. And we love you for being who you are!
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Jed sed: Hey, I am a literal-minded guy. Yeah, we kind'a know that about you Jed! No offense taken. As for Sagan, I think he got the last laugh - posthumously. I think he got even with his superiors when he wrote his speculative novel Contact. If one reads the novel it's pretty obvious that Sagan must have experienced many internal dialogues concerning how he might go about reconciling the values represented by religion versus those of science. I don't know if he ever came to grips with such a huge conundrum or not. Nevertheless, he left us with a worthy novel which was subsequently transformed into a great film, starring Jody Foster as Elanor Arroway the unabashed SETI researcher. I thought Jody managed to capture the joy (and also absolute frustration) of having experienced an authentic contact with an extraterrestrial civilization while not being able to prove it to the scientific establishment. In the movie it is amusing that behind closed doors the powers to be suspected Arroway's publicly disgraced encounter might actually possess a ring of truth to it. They secretly knew she had recorded 17 hours of static during her cosmic worm-hole trip, which presumably was when she was in contact. This shouldn't have happened since according to the official logs Arroway was only gone for just a fraction of a second. Of course, they weren't going to let a little detail concerning a 17-hour recording gap out. In the end it would seem that Arroway eventually secures additional funding so that she can continue pursuing her interest in SETI research. She finds herself employed out on a remote location with a few radio telescopes at her disposal to play around with. In other words, it's best to isolate Arroway while discretely keeping a close eye on her activities! In the end you had to take Elanor Arroway's encounter on faith. Hopefully, the so-called faith of CF/LENR evidence commonly depicted by many skeptics will soon become a moot point when replications become ubiquitous. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
[Vo]: Nemesis Park
Lately Robert Park seems to be more interested in politix than fizzix: http://bobpark.org/ My(another nemesis)! How the great (tree limbs) have fallen.
