Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
I can not download this PDF. How das I do? On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:10:31 -0400, Bob Higgins wrote: Greetings fellow Vorts, While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art. Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows - the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am doing in Ni-H materials. At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back. The paper is on my Google drive at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing [1] Please let me know if this doesn't work. I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular. Regards, Bob Higgins Links: -- [1] https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
Some have been successful, and others unsuccessful. I don't know why. When I click on the link below, it brings up the paper. David Nygren indicated that he added the paper to his LENR News blog: http://www.lenrnews.eu/?p=1370preview=true . Perhaps that is another way to get it. I can't post it to Vortex-L, it is too big. I can send it to you directly, but it doesn't solve the problems for the other Vorts. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: I can not download this PDF. How das I do? On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:10:31 -0400, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings fellow Vorts, While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art. Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows - the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am doing in Ni-H materials. At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back. The paper is on my Google drive at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing Please let me know if this doesn't work. I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular. Regards, Bob Higgins -- Regards, Bob Higgins
RE: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
got it- thanks, looks very good at first pass. I would however caution you about the health issues of carbonyl. It can sneak up on you. And yes, I think most all of the enabling issues are already out in the public. Perhaps that is why we see no DGT patents floating around. D2 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 10:02:43 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni From: rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Some have been successful, and others unsuccessful. I don't know why. When I click on the link below, it brings up the paper. David Nygren indicated that he added the paper to his LENR News blog: http://www.lenrnews.eu/?p=1370preview=true . Perhaps that is another way to get it. I can't post it to Vortex-L, it is too big. I can send it to you directly, but it doesn't solve the problems for the other Vorts. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: I can not download this PDF. How das I do? On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:10:31 -0400, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings fellow Vorts, While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art. Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows - the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am doing in Ni-H materials. At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back. The paper is on my Google drive at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing Please let me know if this doesn't work. I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular. Regards, Bob Higgins -- Regards, Bob Higgins
RE: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
Nicely done Bob! Easy to download (google link) and worth further study. I hope you will test other materials against this one. Specifically zirconia and nickel instead of iron oxide and nickel. Something about the combination has been successful in dozens of experiments. Ahern in his EPRI paper noticed a strong correlation between pulverization time and thermal gain. IIRC his best material had been tumbled for over 100 hours in a ball mill (converted rock tumbler). From: Bob Higgins Some have been successful, and others unsuccessful. I don't know why. When I click on the link below, it brings up the paper. David Nygren indicated that he added the paper to his LENR News blog: http://www.lenrnews.eu/?p=1370 http://www.lenrnews.eu/?p=1370preview=true preview=true . Perhaps that is another way to get it. I can't post it to Vortex-L, it is too big. I can send it to you directly, but it doesn't solve the problems for the other Vorts. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: I can not download this PDF. How das I do? On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:10:31 -0400, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings fellow Vorts, While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art. Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows - the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am doing in Ni-H materials. At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back. The paper is on my Google drive at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing Please let me know if this doesn't work. I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular. Regards, Bob Higgins -- Regards, Bob Higgins
RE: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
Zirc oxide is a proton conductor. (especially with a little Y in it and with some H2O vapor in the system) Fe oxide is useful in H dissociation - as well as Ti oxides. From: jone...@pacbell.net To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 08:15:24 -0700 Nicely done Bob! Easy to download (google link) and worth further study. I hope you will test other materials against this one. Specifically zirconia and nickel instead of iron oxide and nickel. Something about the combination has been successful in dozens of experiments. Ahern in his EPRI paper noticed a strong correlation between pulverization time and thermal gain. IIRC his best material had been tumbled for over 100 hours in a ball mill (converted rock tumbler). From: Bob Higgins Some have been successful, and others unsuccessful. I don't know why. When I click on the link below, it brings up the paper. David Nygren indicated that he added the paper to his LENR News blog: http://www.lenrnews.eu/?p=1370preview=true . Perhaps that is another way to get it. I can't post it to Vortex-L, it is too big. I can send it to you directly, but it doesn't solve the problems for the other Vorts. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: I can not download this PDF. How das I do? On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:10:31 -0400, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings fellow Vorts, While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art. Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows - the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am doing in Ni-H materials. At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back. The paper is on my Google drive at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing Please let me know if this doesn't work. I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular. Regards, Bob Higgins -- Regards, Bob Higgins
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
You probably need a google account to allow downloading...
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I can not download this PDF.
How das I do?
On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:10:31 -0400, Bob Higgins
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wrote:
Greetings fellow Vorts,
While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no
controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so
much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art.
Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the
workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the
end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows -
the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a
self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am
doing in Ni-H materials.
At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to
many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So
while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not
peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back.
The paper is on my Google drive at:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing
Please let me know if this doesn't work.
I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on
the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular.
Regards, Bob Higgins
RE: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
On the off-chance, you might try adding potassium carbonate to your mix, given the info mentioned here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84258.html Potassium carbonate (and sodium bicarb?) also seem to behave energetically in the video shown here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84774.html From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] Sent: 03 August 2013 02:11 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni Greetings fellow Vorts, While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art. Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows - the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am doing in Ni-H materials. At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back. The paper is on my Google drive at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing Please let me know if this doesn't work. I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular. Regards, Bob Higgins
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
I would love to expand the test matrix, and plan to do so. My biggest problem at the moment is my system is completely manual. I have to build it, and operate it with close attention. I need to automate the system so that I can multiply my time. I am also transitioning from doing the experimentation at work (partly) to doing it totally from home (I retired in June). Thank you for the suggestion. Bob On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Charles Francis fran...@datacomm.chwrote: On the off-chance, you might try adding potassium carbonate to your mix, given the info mentioned here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84258.html ** ** Potassium carbonate (and sodium bicarb?) also seem to behave energetically in the video shown here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84774.html ** ** ** ** *From:* Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 03 August 2013 02:11 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni ** ** Greetings fellow Vorts, ** ** While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art. Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows - the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am doing in Ni-H materials. ** ** At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back. ** ** The paper is on my Google drive at: ** ** https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing Please let me know if this doesn't work. ** ** I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular. ** ** Regards, Bob Higgins -- Regards, Bob Higgins
RE: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
Jones wrote: Ahern in his EPRI paper noticed a strong correlation between pulverization time and thermal gain. IIRC his best material had been tumbled for over 100 hours in a ball mill (converted rock tumbler). Jones, I assume this would be that the more pulverization (smaller powder-grains) the better the thermal gain. This would also tie-in with my response to Jones and Fran in a posting I just made in this thread: RE: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides So, the smaller the Casimir cavities, the greater the 'shrinkage' of the f/H state. and the greater potential for E release. -Mark From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 8:15 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni Nicely done Bob! Easy to download (google link) and worth further study. I hope you will test other materials against this one. Specifically zirconia and nickel instead of iron oxide and nickel. Something about the combination has been successful in dozens of experiments. Ahern in his EPRI paper noticed a strong correlation between pulverization time and thermal gain. IIRC his best material had been tumbled for over 100 hours in a ball mill (converted rock tumbler). From: Bob Higgins Some have been successful, and others unsuccessful. I don't know why. When I click on the link below, it brings up the paper. David Nygren indicated that he added the paper to his LENR News blog: http://www.lenrnews.eu/?p=1370 http://www.lenrnews.eu/?p=1370preview=true preview=true . Perhaps that is another way to get it. I can't post it to Vortex-L, it is too big. I can send it to you directly, but it doesn't solve the problems for the other Vorts. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: I can not download this PDF. How das I do? On Fri, 2 Aug 2013 20:10:31 -0400, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings fellow Vorts, While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art. Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows - the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am doing in Ni-H materials. At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back. The paper is on my Google drive at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing Please let me know if this doesn't work. I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular. Regards, Bob Higgins -- Regards, Bob Higgins
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
From a very quick look, I do not see nanowires on the surface of the particles. I do not see the suspension of the particles on a matrix to expose all the particle surface areas to the clusters produced by the spark plug(s). The particles should be maximum of 5 microns in diameter with 2 microns of nanowire covering. The majority of the particles should be 5 microns total including the nanowire covering. The particles should be surrounded by spark production. Can these changes be made? On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote: I would love to expand the test matrix, and plan to do so. My biggest problem at the moment is my system is completely manual. I have to build it, and operate it with close attention. I need to automate the system so that I can multiply my time. I am also transitioning from doing the experimentation at work (partly) to doing it totally from home (I retired in June). Thank you for the suggestion. Bob On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Charles Francis fran...@datacomm.chwrote: On the off-chance, you might try adding potassium carbonate to your mix, given the info mentioned here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84258.html ** ** Potassium carbonate (and sodium bicarb?) also seem to behave energetically in the video shown here: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg84774.html ** ** ** ** *From:* Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 03 August 2013 02:11 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni ** ** Greetings fellow Vorts, ** ** While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art. Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows - the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am doing in Ni-H materials. ** ** At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back. ** ** The paper is on my Google drive at: ** ** https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing Please let me know if this doesn't work. ** ** I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular. ** ** Regards, Bob Higgins -- Regards, Bob Higgins
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
I am not sure this would apply equally to the powders I am making (but it might). If you look at the SEM of the thermochemically modified powder, you see that even though the powder is held together at touch points, it is still highly porous down to near nanoscale. This powder still has oxide that is keeping it from sintering into a dense solid. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:09 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.netwrote: Jones wrote: “Ahern in his EPRI paper noticed a strong correlation between pulverization time and thermal gain. IIRC his best material had been tumbled for over 100 hours in a ball mill (converted rock tumbler).” ** ** Jones, I assume this would be that the more pulverization (smaller powder-grains) the better the thermal gain. This would also tie-in with my response to Jones and Fran in a posting I just made in this thread: RE: [Vo]:ICCF18 Kim Slides ** ** So, the smaller the Casimir cavities, the greater the ‘shrinkage’ of the f/H state… and the greater potential for E release. ** ** -Mark ** ** *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] *Sent:* Saturday, August 03, 2013 8:15 AM *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni ** ** Nicely done Bob! ** ** Easy to download (google link) and worth further study. ** ** I hope you will test other materials against this one. Specifically zirconia and nickel instead of iron oxide and nickel. Something about the combination has been successful in dozens of experiments. ** ** Ahern in his EPRI paper noticed a strong correlation between pulverization time and thermal gain. IIRC his best material had been tumbled for over 100 hours in a ball mill (converted rock tumbler). **
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
Sorry Axil, I don't suspend my particles in a separate matrix as does Defkalion. My technique is more like that of Rossi. The spark plugs are not required to see the LENR. Neither Rossi's original eCat nor his latest HotCats have any sparkplugs or RF excitation. Reports suggest that they are not required for the effect. I do not believe DGT's sparkplugs are causing plasma effects that extend into the powder. The mean free path of monatomic H in high pressure H2 is only microns. DGT does not appear to apply enough power to the sparkplugs to totally ionize the H2 contents. There could be excitation of their reactor as an RF cavity, but it is not strongly excited. The sparkplug could also be operating as an acoustic transducer driving an acoustic resonance in DGT's reactor. It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. If it is RF cavity resonance, then there is no need for the spark - just drive with RF at the right frequency matched into the cavity. Do you know this about the nanowires from your own experiments? I think this is bunk. The nanowires would melt pretty quickly at the temperatures we are talking about and particularly with the local heating at the NAE. I noted in my paper that there are Ni dendrites on my powder, but I don't believe they are the NAEs. At best, they may be useful for H2 cracking. It was just noted. What do you mean, surrounded by spark production? Again, is this a report of your first hand experience? Please stop saying things as if they are certain unless you have first hand evidence that they are. Bob On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From a very quick look, I do not see nanowires on the surface of the particles. I do not see the suspension of the particles on a matrix to expose all the particle surface areas to the clusters produced by the spark plug(s). The particles should be maximum of 5 microns in diameter with 2 microns of nanowire covering. The majority of the particles should be 5 microns total including the nanowire covering. The particles should be surrounded by spark production. Can these changes be made?
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
The spark plugs produce potassium and hydrogen nanoparticles. A picture of the DGT micro particles can be found in Kim's presentation will show the nanowires. The nanowires will crack the H2 into H. See Hot Electrons Do the Impossible - Plasmon-Induced Dissociation of H2 http://www.princeton.edu/mae/people/faculty/carter/EAC-267.pdf I don't know for sure, but your Curie temperature might be way to high. You should check. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry Axil, I don't suspend my particles in a separate matrix as does Defkalion. My technique is more like that of Rossi. The spark plugs are not required to see the LENR. Neither Rossi's original eCat nor his latest HotCats have any sparkplugs or RF excitation. Reports suggest that they are not required for the effect. I do not believe DGT's sparkplugs are causing plasma effects that extend into the powder. The mean free path of monatomic H in high pressure H2 is only microns. DGT does not appear to apply enough power to the sparkplugs to totally ionize the H2 contents. There could be excitation of their reactor as an RF cavity, but it is not strongly excited. The sparkplug could also be operating as an acoustic transducer driving an acoustic resonance in DGT's reactor. It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. If it is RF cavity resonance, then there is no need for the spark - just drive with RF at the right frequency matched into the cavity. Do you know this about the nanowires from your own experiments? I think this is bunk. The nanowires would melt pretty quickly at the temperatures we are talking about and particularly with the local heating at the NAE. I noted in my paper that there are Ni dendrites on my powder, but I don't believe they are the NAEs. At best, they may be useful for H2 cracking. It was just noted. What do you mean, surrounded by spark production? Again, is this a report of your first hand experience? Please stop saying things as if they are certain unless you have first hand evidence that they are. Bob On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From a very quick look, I do not see nanowires on the surface of the particles. I do not see the suspension of the particles on a matrix to expose all the particle surface areas to the clusters produced by the spark plug(s). The particles should be maximum of 5 microns in diameter with 2 microns of nanowire covering. The majority of the particles should be 5 microns total including the nanowire covering. The particles should be surrounded by spark production. Can these changes be made?
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. They know an have stated it publically; it is Rydberg matter which are nanoclusters- see superatoms in wiki. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The spark plugs produce potassium and hydrogen nanoparticles. A picture of the DGT micro particles can be found in Kim's presentation will show the nanowires. The nanowires will crack the H2 into H. See Hot Electrons Do the Impossible - Plasmon-Induced Dissociation of H2 http://www.princeton.edu/mae/people/faculty/carter/EAC-267.pdf I don't know for sure, but your Curie temperature might be way to high. You should check. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry Axil, I don't suspend my particles in a separate matrix as does Defkalion. My technique is more like that of Rossi. The spark plugs are not required to see the LENR. Neither Rossi's original eCat nor his latest HotCats have any sparkplugs or RF excitation. Reports suggest that they are not required for the effect. I do not believe DGT's sparkplugs are causing plasma effects that extend into the powder. The mean free path of monatomic H in high pressure H2 is only microns. DGT does not appear to apply enough power to the sparkplugs to totally ionize the H2 contents. There could be excitation of their reactor as an RF cavity, but it is not strongly excited. The sparkplug could also be operating as an acoustic transducer driving an acoustic resonance in DGT's reactor. It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. If it is RF cavity resonance, then there is no need for the spark - just drive with RF at the right frequency matched into the cavity. Do you know this about the nanowires from your own experiments? I think this is bunk. The nanowires would melt pretty quickly at the temperatures we are talking about and particularly with the local heating at the NAE. I noted in my paper that there are Ni dendrites on my powder, but I don't believe they are the NAEs. At best, they may be useful for H2 cracking. It was just noted. What do you mean, surrounded by spark production? Again, is this a report of your first hand experience? Please stop saying things as if they are certain unless you have first hand evidence that they are. Bob On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From a very quick look, I do not see nanowires on the surface of the particles. I do not see the suspension of the particles on a matrix to expose all the particle surface areas to the clusters produced by the spark plug(s). The particles should be maximum of 5 microns in diameter with 2 microns of nanowire covering. The majority of the particles should be 5 microns total including the nanowire covering. The particles should be surrounded by spark production. Can these changes be made?
RE: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
I think that people are mistaken about the spark plugs. Most people think about them as sparking like an auto plug (they are but ..) across some gap. I think they are using them just as HV feed throughs. Notice they have 2 of them on each end. I think they are not sparking on each end but through the sample. Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 13:34:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni From: rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sorry Axil, I don't suspend my particles in a separate matrix as does Defkalion. My technique is more like that of Rossi. The spark plugs are not required to see the LENR. Neither Rossi's original eCat nor his latest HotCats have any sparkplugs or RF excitation. Reports suggest that they are not required for the effect. I do not believe DGT's sparkplugs are causing plasma effects that extend into the powder. The mean free path of monatomic H in high pressure H2 is only microns. DGT does not appear to apply enough power to the sparkplugs to totally ionize the H2 contents. There could be excitation of their reactor as an RF cavity, but it is not strongly excited. The sparkplug could also be operating as an acoustic transducer driving an acoustic resonance in DGT's reactor. It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. If it is RF cavity resonance, then there is no need for the spark - just drive with RF at the right frequency matched into the cavity. Do you know this about the nanowires from your own experiments? I think this is bunk. The nanowires would melt pretty quickly at the temperatures we are talking about and particularly with the local heating at the NAE. I noted in my paper that there are Ni dendrites on my powder, but I don't believe they are the NAEs. At best, they may be useful for H2 cracking. It was just noted. What do you mean, surrounded by spark production? Again, is this a report of your first hand experience? Please stop saying things as if they are certain unless you have first hand evidence that they are. Bob On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From a very quick look, I do not see nanowires on the surface of the particles. I do not see the suspension of the particles on a matrix to expose all the particle surface areas to the clusters produced by the spark plug(s). The particles should be maximum of 5 microns in diameter with 2 microns of nanowire covering. The majority of the particles should be 5 microns total including the nanowire covering. The particles should be surrounded by spark production. Can these changes be made?
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
I think this is bunk. The nanowires would melt pretty quickly at the temperatures we are talking about and particularly with the local heating at the NAE. Bose Einstein condensation protects the nanowires On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. They know an have stated it publically; it is Rydberg matter which are nanoclusters- see superatoms in wiki. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The spark plugs produce potassium and hydrogen nanoparticles. A picture of the DGT micro particles can be found in Kim's presentation will show the nanowires. The nanowires will crack the H2 into H. See Hot Electrons Do the Impossible - Plasmon-Induced Dissociation of H2 http://www.princeton.edu/mae/people/faculty/carter/EAC-267.pdf I don't know for sure, but your Curie temperature might be way to high. You should check. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry Axil, I don't suspend my particles in a separate matrix as does Defkalion. My technique is more like that of Rossi. The spark plugs are not required to see the LENR. Neither Rossi's original eCat nor his latest HotCats have any sparkplugs or RF excitation. Reports suggest that they are not required for the effect. I do not believe DGT's sparkplugs are causing plasma effects that extend into the powder. The mean free path of monatomic H in high pressure H2 is only microns. DGT does not appear to apply enough power to the sparkplugs to totally ionize the H2 contents. There could be excitation of their reactor as an RF cavity, but it is not strongly excited. The sparkplug could also be operating as an acoustic transducer driving an acoustic resonance in DGT's reactor. It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. If it is RF cavity resonance, then there is no need for the spark - just drive with RF at the right frequency matched into the cavity. Do you know this about the nanowires from your own experiments? I think this is bunk. The nanowires would melt pretty quickly at the temperatures we are talking about and particularly with the local heating at the NAE. I noted in my paper that there are Ni dendrites on my powder, but I don't believe they are the NAEs. At best, they may be useful for H2 cracking. It was just noted. What do you mean, surrounded by spark production? Again, is this a report of your first hand experience? Please stop saying things as if they are certain unless you have first hand evidence that they are. Bob On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From a very quick look, I do not see nanowires on the surface of the particles. I do not see the suspension of the particles on a matrix to expose all the particle surface areas to the clusters produced by the spark plug(s). The particles should be maximum of 5 microns in diameter with 2 microns of nanowire covering. The majority of the particles should be 5 microns total including the nanowire covering. The particles should be surrounded by spark production. Can these changes be made?
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
I noted in my paper that there are Ni dendrites on my powder, but I don't believe they are the NAEs. At best, they may be useful for H2 cracking. It was just noted. The NAE is located between the nanowires. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is bunk. The nanowires would melt pretty quickly at the temperatures we are talking about and particularly with the local heating at the NAE. Bose Einstein condensation protects the nanowires On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. They know an have stated it publically; it is Rydberg matter which are nanoclusters- see superatoms in wiki. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The spark plugs produce potassium and hydrogen nanoparticles. A picture of the DGT micro particles can be found in Kim's presentation will show the nanowires. The nanowires will crack the H2 into H. See Hot Electrons Do the Impossible - Plasmon-Induced Dissociation of H2 http://www.princeton.edu/mae/people/faculty/carter/EAC-267.pdf I don't know for sure, but your Curie temperature might be way to high. You should check. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry Axil, I don't suspend my particles in a separate matrix as does Defkalion. My technique is more like that of Rossi. The spark plugs are not required to see the LENR. Neither Rossi's original eCat nor his latest HotCats have any sparkplugs or RF excitation. Reports suggest that they are not required for the effect. I do not believe DGT's sparkplugs are causing plasma effects that extend into the powder. The mean free path of monatomic H in high pressure H2 is only microns. DGT does not appear to apply enough power to the sparkplugs to totally ionize the H2 contents. There could be excitation of their reactor as an RF cavity, but it is not strongly excited. The sparkplug could also be operating as an acoustic transducer driving an acoustic resonance in DGT's reactor. It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. If it is RF cavity resonance, then there is no need for the spark - just drive with RF at the right frequency matched into the cavity. Do you know this about the nanowires from your own experiments? I think this is bunk. The nanowires would melt pretty quickly at the temperatures we are talking about and particularly with the local heating at the NAE. I noted in my paper that there are Ni dendrites on my powder, but I don't believe they are the NAEs. At best, they may be useful for H2 cracking. It was just noted. What do you mean, surrounded by spark production? Again, is this a report of your first hand experience? Please stop saying things as if they are certain unless you have first hand evidence that they are. Bob On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From a very quick look, I do not see nanowires on the surface of the particles. I do not see the suspension of the particles on a matrix to expose all the particle surface areas to the clusters produced by the spark plug(s). The particles should be maximum of 5 microns in diameter with 2 microns of nanowire covering. The majority of the particles should be 5 microns total including the nanowire covering. The particles should be surrounded by spark production. Can these changes be made?
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
What do you mean, surrounded by spark production? Again, is this a report of your first hand experience? The spark or very high temperature primary heater produces nanoparticles which should be evenly distributed around and within the micro power. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I noted in my paper that there are Ni dendrites on my powder, but I don't believe they are the NAEs. At best, they may be useful for H2 cracking. It was just noted. The NAE is located between the nanowires. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is bunk. The nanowires would melt pretty quickly at the temperatures we are talking about and particularly with the local heating at the NAE. Bose Einstein condensation protects the nanowires On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. They know an have stated it publically; it is Rydberg matter which are nanoclusters- see superatoms in wiki. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The spark plugs produce potassium and hydrogen nanoparticles. A picture of the DGT micro particles can be found in Kim's presentation will show the nanowires. The nanowires will crack the H2 into H. See Hot Electrons Do the Impossible - Plasmon-Induced Dissociation of H2 http://www.princeton.edu/mae/people/faculty/carter/EAC-267.pdf I don't know for sure, but your Curie temperature might be way to high. You should check. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry Axil, I don't suspend my particles in a separate matrix as does Defkalion. My technique is more like that of Rossi. The spark plugs are not required to see the LENR. Neither Rossi's original eCat nor his latest HotCats have any sparkplugs or RF excitation. Reports suggest that they are not required for the effect. I do not believe DGT's sparkplugs are causing plasma effects that extend into the powder. The mean free path of monatomic H in high pressure H2 is only microns. DGT does not appear to apply enough power to the sparkplugs to totally ionize the H2 contents. There could be excitation of their reactor as an RF cavity, but it is not strongly excited. The sparkplug could also be operating as an acoustic transducer driving an acoustic resonance in DGT's reactor. It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. If it is RF cavity resonance, then there is no need for the spark - just drive with RF at the right frequency matched into the cavity. Do you know this about the nanowires from your own experiments? I think this is bunk. The nanowires would melt pretty quickly at the temperatures we are talking about and particularly with the local heating at the NAE. I noted in my paper that there are Ni dendrites on my powder, but I don't believe they are the NAEs. At best, they may be useful for H2 cracking. It was just noted. What do you mean, surrounded by spark production? Again, is this a report of your first hand experience? Please stop saying things as if they are certain unless you have first hand evidence that they are. Bob On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From a very quick look, I do not see nanowires on the surface of the particles. I do not see the suspension of the particles on a matrix to expose all the particle surface areas to the clusters produced by the spark plug(s). The particles should be maximum of 5 microns in diameter with 2 microns of nanowire covering. The majority of the particles should be 5 microns total including the nanowire covering. The particles should be surrounded by spark production. Can these changes be made?
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
Please stop saying things as if they are certain unless you have first hand evidence that they are. This is my opinion. It is your choice to take it or leave it; it is your call. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: What do you mean, surrounded by spark production? Again, is this a report of your first hand experience? The spark or very high temperature primary heater produces nanoparticles which should be evenly distributed around and within the micro power. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I noted in my paper that there are Ni dendrites on my powder, but I don't believe they are the NAEs. At best, they may be useful for H2 cracking. It was just noted. The NAE is located between the nanowires. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:56 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I think this is bunk. The nanowires would melt pretty quickly at the temperatures we are talking about and particularly with the local heating at the NAE. Bose Einstein condensation protects the nanowires On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:53 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. They know an have stated it publically; it is Rydberg matter which are nanoclusters- see superatoms in wiki. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The spark plugs produce potassium and hydrogen nanoparticles. A picture of the DGT micro particles can be found in Kim's presentation will show the nanowires. The nanowires will crack the H2 into H. See Hot Electrons Do the Impossible - Plasmon-Induced Dissociation of H2 http://www.princeton.edu/mae/people/faculty/carter/EAC-267.pdf I don't know for sure, but your Curie temperature might be way to high. You should check. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:34 PM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote: Sorry Axil, I don't suspend my particles in a separate matrix as does Defkalion. My technique is more like that of Rossi. The spark plugs are not required to see the LENR. Neither Rossi's original eCat nor his latest HotCats have any sparkplugs or RF excitation. Reports suggest that they are not required for the effect. I do not believe DGT's sparkplugs are causing plasma effects that extend into the powder. The mean free path of monatomic H in high pressure H2 is only microns. DGT does not appear to apply enough power to the sparkplugs to totally ionize the H2 contents. There could be excitation of their reactor as an RF cavity, but it is not strongly excited. The sparkplug could also be operating as an acoustic transducer driving an acoustic resonance in DGT's reactor. It will be important for DGT to determine what about their sparks is causing the enhanced LENR so that they can maximize the benefits. If it is RF cavity resonance, then there is no need for the spark - just drive with RF at the right frequency matched into the cavity. Do you know this about the nanowires from your own experiments? I think this is bunk. The nanowires would melt pretty quickly at the temperatures we are talking about and particularly with the local heating at the NAE. I noted in my paper that there are Ni dendrites on my powder, but I don't believe they are the NAEs. At best, they may be useful for H2 cracking. It was just noted. What do you mean, surrounded by spark production? Again, is this a report of your first hand experience? Please stop saying things as if they are certain unless you have first hand evidence that they are. Bob On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: From a very quick look, I do not see nanowires on the surface of the particles. I do not see the suspension of the particles on a matrix to expose all the particle surface areas to the clusters produced by the spark plug(s). The particles should be maximum of 5 microns in diameter with 2 microns of nanowire covering. The majority of the particles should be 5 microns total including the nanowire covering. The particles should be surrounded by spark production. Can these changes be made?
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 9:55 AM, torulf.gr...@bredband.net wrote: I can not download this PDF. How das I do? When you open the page, there is an arrow pointing downward in the top left corner of the page. Click on that to download.
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:55 PM, DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: I think that people are mistaken about the spark plugs. Most people think about them as sparking like an auto plug (they are but ..) across some gap. I think they are using them just as HV feed throughs. Notice they have 2 of them on each end. I think they are not sparking on each end but through the sample. I agree with this observation, Dennis.
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
Terry, Dennis, This makes a lot of sense. Especially since I believe that DGT had stated that a temperature gradient across the reactor is needed, presumably to establish hydrogen flow through the active material. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:55 PM, DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: I think that people are mistaken about the spark plugs. Most people think about them as sparking like an auto plug (they are but ..) across some gap. I think they are using them just as HV feed throughs. Notice they have 2 of them on each end. I think they are not sparking on each end but through the sample. I agree with this observation, Dennis.
RE: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
yes, that is one result of Les Case sphere type system (the one people point to for He4 numbers). He needed a gradient across the sphere. ... or later he use a little mixer inside his dewer and then later deuterium flow through the sample. D2 Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 15:00:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni From: franco.tal...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Terry, Dennis, This makes a lot of sense. Especially since I believe that DGT had stated that a temperature gradient across the reactor is needed, presumably to establish hydrogen flow through the active material. On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:55 PM, DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: I think that people are mistaken about the spark plugs. Most people think about them as sparking like an auto plug (they are but ..) across some gap. I think they are using them just as HV feed throughs. Notice they have 2 of them on each end. I think they are not sparking on each end but through the sample. I agree with this observation, Dennis.
Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
It seems possible for the spark to proceed between the center pins provided that the distances involved add up. Electric fields fall of rapidly with distance and so close by grounds or other potentials have a major advantage over those further removed. I cling to the concept that free protons from the hydrogen molecules are being fed to the metal surface where they can be absorbed easily. Molecules must first obtain the energy required to break apart the individual atoms before they can slip in. I believe this is in the ballpark of 4.5 eV which would be a simple task for the spark gap to deliver. Dave -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sat, Aug 3, 2013 2:31 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 1:55 PM, DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: I think that people are mistaken about the spark plugs. Most people think about them as sparking like an auto plug (they are but ..) across some gap. I think they are using them just as HV feed throughs. Notice they have 2 of them on each end. I think they are not sparking on each end but through the sample. I agree with this observation, Dennis.
[Vo]:A paper about my LENR work with carbonyl Ni
Greetings fellow Vorts, While at ICCF, I expressed my feelings that there would be no controlling patent on the material that makes LENR work. There has been so much open speculation that has now all become part of prior art. Additionally, without a theory, you will not be able to identify the workarounds and any claims are likely to be easily worked around in the end. I expect the valuable patents to be on the apparatus that follows - the devices that do the work and meet peoples needs. To help make that a self-fulfilling prophesy, I decided some time ago to openly share what I am doing in Ni-H materials. At ICCF I had the opportunity to show slides of my Ni-H LENR work to many people. A common request was for something written about my work. So while traveling home I put together a paper describing my work. It is not peer reviewed and I would be happy to get comments back. The paper is on my Google drive at: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5Pc25a4cOM2Qzl0WC1ldW1MMUU/edit?usp=sharing Please let me know if this doesn't work. I learned a number of lessons in this phase and I am currently working on the next pass of improvements to my test system in particular. Regards, Bob Higgins
