Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18? NET Collected Abstracts
No problems with Krivit, still an excellent, fast and methodic journalist; just he does not like the existing reality and builds alternative ones. I am curious to see his reaction if/when LENR+ goes commercial. Peter On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 11:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: New Energy Times has a preview http://news.newenergytimes.net/2013/07/17/iccf-18-cold-fusion-conference-begins-next-week/ A dumb comment: Funding and recognition has been difficult for these researchers. A significant reason is that many of them give the field the appearance of pseudoscience. There is no scientific evidence for LENR as “cold fusion,” yet many longtime researchers in the field remain wedded to the belief that deuterium nuclei can overcome the Coulomb barrier at appreciable rates at room temperature. I've said it before but I'll say it again: A person without a PhD in nuclear physics should not make pronouncements like this one. and a useful unofficial collection of all the abstracts : http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2013/ICCF18/ICCF-18-Abstracts-Unofficial.pdf He left out mine. . . . Which may be another example of someone without professional qualifications pontificating about science: http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/files/day2/Lessons_From_Cold_Fusion_archives.pdf At least I have a better sense of humor than Krivit, and I will be quoting Fleischmann and Bockris who were amusing people. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18? NET Collected Abstracts
From: Peter No problems with Krivit, still an excellent, fast and methodic journalist; just he does not like the existing reality and builds alternative ones. My issue with Krivit has not so much to do with his reporting skills as a journalist, but what I perceive to be an apparent inability on his part to distinguish between what is expected from a journalist versus that of an editorialist. I presume Krivit still claims to be a journalist. To me, however, he gives me the impression that he doesn't know the difference between these two distinct and perfectly legitimate functions. IMO Krivit ceased to be a journalist a long time ago when he began to constantly interject his personal opinion conclusions into how he personally perceives the state of the CF/LENR community to be. He has concluded who are the good guys are and who the bad guys are. He seems to report those personal conclusions as if it IS the news. It is not. It is just his personal opinion. He spends too much time editorializing and opining the personal impressions he has gathered. I think he shoots himself in the foot doing that. Certainly one can attempt be both a journalist and an editorialist. However IMHO one needs to acquire the wisdom to know the difference between when one is reporting versus opining. IMHO, he had not yet acquired the wisdom. I am curious to see [Krivit's] reaction if/when LENR+ goes commercial. I would speculate that Krivit may end up claiming that he believed it all along, and will self-congratulate himself for helping to birth the new technology. Of course, he will continue to claim that CF is bogus technology while simultaneously claiming all along that it's a nuclear process. It's basically labels. Big deal. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson svjart.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/newvortex/
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18? NET Collected Abstracts
Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: No problems with Krivit, still an excellent, fast and methodic journalist; just he does not like the existing reality and builds alternative ones. So, he gives you excellent reports on an imaginary subject. More of a novelist than a journalist. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18? NET Collected Abstracts
New Energy Times has a preview http://news.newenergytimes.net/2013/07/17/iccf-18-cold-fusion-conference-begins-next-week/ and a useful unofficial collection of all the abstracts : http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2013/ICCF18/ICCF-18-Abstracts-Unofficial.pdf
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18? NET Collected Abstracts
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: New Energy Times has a preview http://news.newenergytimes.net/2013/07/17/iccf-18-cold-fusion-conference-begins-next-week/ A dumb comment: Funding and recognition has been difficult for these researchers. A significant reason is that many of them give the field the appearance of pseudoscience. There is no scientific evidence for LENR as “cold fusion,” yet many longtime researchers in the field remain wedded to the belief that deuterium nuclei can overcome the Coulomb barrier at appreciable rates at room temperature. I've said it before but I'll say it again: A person without a PhD in nuclear physics should not make pronouncements like this one. and a useful unofficial collection of all the abstracts : http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2013/ICCF18/ICCF-18-Abstracts-Unofficial.pdf He left out mine. . . . Which may be another example of someone without professional qualifications pontificating about science: http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/files/day2/Lessons_From_Cold_Fusion_archives.pdf At least I have a better sense of humor than Krivit, and I will be quoting Fleischmann and Bockris who were amusing people. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
Dennis, Congratulations on a novel demo. I hope that the persistent thermal gain is at least as high as Arata. I love the simplicity and the likelihood that it is meaningful . but maybe I am in the unwashed category. After the demo, if you have the time - please post a video on YouTube of the NI Week setup, or some other way to put this into view for others to replicate or improve. With unpowered devices in comparative situations, if one of them stays warmer over extended periods, then the major problem is to eliminate the chemical reaction possibility. With the Les Case type spheres, loaded with hydrogen, the most obvious reaction would be slow hydrogenation, no? Of course, a skeptic will probably say that one of them is not staying warmer, the other is cooling. not realizing that endotherm is itself a usable energy anomaly. From: DJ Cravens sneak preview ..of one of two demo units, the other is still in the under construction but will be visually striking if I can pull it off: I tried to send this before with a picture, but I guess Vortex didn't like it. So here it is again without the picture. one sphere with sample, one with control(sand) in the same bath. Lab Armor Al beads for uniform bath temp, hollow (450ml) 4 brass spheres lightly plated with Au for uniform emissivity, with thermistor well and lampblack paint spot. (can also check with IR gun). The sample just stays warmer. (duration of expo is 5 days- about). I am not selling anything so that there will be no such fraud arguments. I will give vortex a heads up a little before NI Week about demo #2. But remember this is not a science experiment, it is a demo for the unwashed masses and is just to stimulate public awareness. dennis _ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:56:53 -0700 From: p...@rasdoc.com To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18? I am.
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:38 PM, DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: I tried to send this before with a picture, but I guess Vortex didn't like it. So here it is again without the picture. If you want, you may send me the picture and I will post a link so that Vorts can see it.
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
Very interesting Dr. Cravens: https://plus.google.com/photos/100517292944598113317/albums/5896172801049146737/5896172796425182786?pid=5896172796425182786oid=100517292944598113317 (Vorts, let me know if this doesn't work, Google+ is confusing to me.) On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:38 PM, DJ Cravens djcrav...@hotmail.com wrote: I tried to send this before with a picture, but I guess Vortex didn't like it. So here it is again without the picture. If you want, you may send me the picture and I will post a link so that Vorts can see it.
[Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I am.
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I darn well better show up. They have me down to give a talk AND present a poster session paper by Mizuno, who cannot make it. Busy, busy, busy. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I wrote: I darn well better show up. By that I mean the conference organizer is Prof. Annette Sobel who is a retired Major General. When she tells you to do something, you do it. See: http://engineering.missouri.edu/person/sobela/ http://www.ewh.ieee.org/tc/its/ISI2006/speakers.htm - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
Bob Higgins will be attending. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Paul Breed p...@rasdoc.com wrote: I am.
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
Thinking about it! Could be pretty historic. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote: Bob Higgins will be attending. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Paul Breed p...@rasdoc.com wrote: I am.
RE: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I wish I was attending!! L -m From: Bob Higgins [mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 11:27 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18? Bob Higgins will be attending. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Paul Breed p...@rasdoc.com wrote: I am.
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I wish I was attending!! L I wish they had enough money for a live video feed, but alas they don't. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I wish I was attending!! L I wish they had enough money for a live video feed, but alas they don't. - Jed I have no idea what the quality is like but this site has a free plan. https://new.livestream.com/plans Harry
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
If they have wifi, that wouldn't be too hard to set up. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I wish I was attending!! L I wish they had enough money for a live video feed, but alas they don't. - Jed
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I'd mirror it, definitely. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:25 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I wish I was attending!! L I wish they had enough money for a live video feed, but alas they don't. - Jed I have no idea what the quality is like but this site has a free plan. https://new.livestream.com/plans Harry
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
Did anyone consider getting a sponsor (such as National Instruments) to pay for the streaming? There must be a way for a sponsor to advertise in a streaming video player. Harry On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:27 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: I'd mirror it, definitely. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 2:25 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I wish I was attending!! L I wish they had enough money for a live video feed, but alas they don't. - Jed I have no idea what the quality is like but this site has a free plan. https://new.livestream.com/plans Harry
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone consider getting a sponsor (such as National Instruments) to pay for the streaming? Yes. The organizers have been going hat in hand to everyone they can think of, as have I. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone consider getting a sponsor (such as National Instruments) to pay for the streaming? Yes. The organizers have been going hat in hand to everyone they can think of, as have I. - Jed a monkey might help https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93ZDOcU2TL4 Harry
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I am going with my friend Eli who will act as cameraman. We will be doing as many interviews as possible, with every one we can. We hope to do daily video updates, but plan to keep most of the video for a feature documentary film. I will be bringing t-shirts and stickers and they will be at the Infinite Energy table, along with a few free 2013 History of CF calendars for participants. I will be soliciting info and sponsorship for the 2014 History of Cold Fusion Calendar which will feature the theme of educational institutions and their faculty who have been involved in research. This version will also include holidays for all countries that have held ICCFs. I had thought about trying to stream, but I believe I've taken on enough projects already, and won't have the ability. On 7/1/13 9:56 AM, Paul Breed wrote: I am. -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: a monkey might help It wouldn't hurt. A monkey would feel at home in one of these conferences! - Jed
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
It might be a little late but what about a kickstarter project to pay for the streaming? Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: I am going with my friend Eli who will act as cameraman. We will be doing as many interviews as possible, with every one we can. We hope to do daily video updates, but plan to keep most of the video for a feature documentary film. I will be bringing t-shirts and stickers and they will be at the Infinite Energy table, along with a few free 2013 History of CF calendars for participants. I will be soliciting info and sponsorship for the 2014 History of Cold Fusion Calendar which will feature the theme of educational institutions and their faculty who have been involved in research. This version will also include holidays for all countries that have held ICCFs. I had thought about trying to stream, but I believe I've taken on enough projects already, and won't have the ability. On 7/1/13 9:56 AM, Paul Breed wrote: I am. -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
Kickstarter? What's the cost? Point an iPhone 5 at the speaker and you're done. Maybe bring a tripod. On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Joe Hughes jhughe...@comcast.net wrote: It might be a little late but what about a kickstarter project to pay for the streaming? Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: I am going with my friend Eli who will act as cameraman. We will be doing as many interviews as possible, with every one we can. We hope to do daily video updates, but plan to keep most of the video for a feature documentary film. I will be bringing t-shirts and stickers and they will be at the Infinite Energy table, along with a few free 2013 History of CF calendars for participants. I will be soliciting info and sponsorship for the 2014 History of Cold Fusion Calendar which will feature the theme of educational institutions and their faculty who have been involved in research. This version will also include holidays for all countries that have held ICCFs. I had thought about trying to stream, but I believe I've taken on enough projects already, and won't have the ability. On 7/1/13 9:56 AM, Paul Breed wrote: I am. -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org
RE: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
no, not me. I had to pick only one, so I decided to go to NI Week instead and do a demo there since ICCF delayed too long in replying to demo requests. Is anyone going to demo at ICCF?? sneak preview ..of one of two demo units, the other is still in the under construction but will be visually striking if I can pull it off: I tried to send this before with a picture, but I guess Vortex didn't like it. So here it is again without the picture. one sphere with sample, one with control(sand) in the same bath. Lab Armor Al beads for uniform bath temp, hollow (450ml) 4 brass spheres lightly plated with Au for uniform emissivity, with thermistor well and lampblack paint spot. (can also check with IR gun). The sample just stays warmer. (duration of expo is 5 days- about). I am not selling anything so that there will be no such fraud arguments. I will give vortex a heads up a little before NI Week about demo #2. But remember this is not a science experiment, it is a demo for the unwashed masses and is just to stimulate public awareness. dennis Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 09:56:53 -0700 From: p...@rasdoc.com To: vortex-L@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18? I am.
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote: a monkey might help It wouldn't hurt. A monkey would feel at home in one of these conferences! - Jed The monkey is definitely going. Harry
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
I can go to only one, and I chose ICCF. I regret I will miss a chance to interview you. On 7/1/13 8:38 PM, DJ Cravens wrote: no, not me. I had to pick only one, so I decided to go to NI Week instead and do a demo there since ICCF delayed too long in replying to demo requests. I will give vortex a heads up a little before NI Week about demo #2. But remember this is not a science experiment, it is a demo for the unwashed masses and is just to stimulate public awareness. dennis -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
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Yes, it's not so much the money to stream, it's just another thing I'd have to deal with. My priority is getting good video, audio and interviews. Hope you can make it and stream, blaze. On 7/1/13 8:14 PM, blaze spinnaker wrote: Kickstarter? What's the cost? Point an iPhone 5 at the speaker and you're done. Maybe bring a tripod. -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org mailto:r...@coldfusionnow.org Skype ruby-carat www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Re: [Vo]:A show of hands, whose going to ICCF-18?
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 11:14 PM, blaze spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Kickstarter? What's the cost? Point an iPhone 5 at the speaker and you're done. Maybe bring a tripod. An iPhone or an iPheun? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2IXL9gYCAo Harry
