Re: [Vo]:Missing (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature?
http://www.21stcenturysciencetech.com/Articles%202005/MoonModel_F04.pdf Article goes into some molecular magnetism theories, see ending of paper in section 4.Pioneering the Applications of Interphasal Resonances http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/teslafy/ On Saturday, July 11, 2015 2:58 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: This experiment shows what happens when a lot of matter is packed into a small volume of space. This situation is the play ground of quantum mechanics where its weird nature comes to the fore and the uncertainty principle is enhanced. There is a increase in the superposition of particles and the entanglement of their properties. It took science 50 years to determine the nuclear spin of Pu239 because of the changing nature of the makeup of the Pu239 nucleus. In this highly condensed state of matter, protons and neutrons are the same particle in a superposition. The properties of the particles that compile the nucleus behave as if they were waves in the ocean. These variations in spin, charge, and energies are reflected in the behavior of the electrons that orbit the nucleus. This is why the theories of Norman D. Cook and A. Rossi do not correspond to the real quantum mechanical nature of the nucleus. Protons and neutrons are not cue balls that stay put in a fixed location in space. These particles are sometimes protons and sometimes neutrons and oftentimes both protons and neutrons together. The more mass that is packed into a given volume of space, the weirder things get. The research recently done in heavy element collisions show that the combined nucleus behaves like a perfect liquid. So much matter is packed into a suxh a small volume that matter becomes a soup where all particles lose there individuality. On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This research “could have” relevance for LENR (but otherwise would be irrelevant to the field, and of course is not mentioned). The article is merely the golf tee for a long par-5 on the back nine Jhttp://phys.org/news/2015-07-neutrons-magnetism-plutonium.htmlOne aspect of this discovery goes to a broader interpretation (broader than merely explaining a feature of the element plutonium) – and it can be stated this way: there is a parameter called “hidden magnetic flux” which is a rapid natural oscillation at the atomic or atomic crystal structure level; and this rapid oscillation could be a feature of a number of elements and alloys, besides plutonium, including mu metals. For instance, a broader interpretation of this RD could (in the future) help explain why mu metals are so effective at absorbing magnetic flux… and more.Anyway, alloys where rapid self-flux is seen without external input, could be ideal matrices for LENR (this is supposition only as of now). In short, the present suggestion is that there could be a new magnetic phenomenon in play, which goes a long way towards explaining the magnetic relationship of hydrogen to the metal lattice, in enhanced LENR.The magnetic fluctuations (of the present research) are a result of differing numbers of electrons in plutonium's valence shell, which valence electron count is seen to CHANGE rapidly (this is heretofore unique in physics). Conventional EM theory, which has seldom been wrong, predicted long ago that the element plutonium should have strong magnetic ordering, like iron. However, no evidence for that magnetic ordering has been found until 70 years later – and only recently has plutonium's missing magnetism been resolved as an internal oscillation. IOW – it is temporary and oscillating without external input. This could be the kind of breakthrough in understanding of a number of unrelated systems.Using neutron scattering, the direct measurement of the elements fluctuating magnetism was witnessed - and the authors surmise a constant state of flux, making it nearly impossible to detect at the macro level, but very energetic locally. This has potential implications for LENR since the effect is seen at the atomic level, and although plutonium is not a proton conductor, there could easily be other alloys which react in a similar way to Pu (changing valence) and which would then be poised to moderate the movement of dissolved atomic hydrogen. For instance, nickel has a known but rarely encountered feature of several transition metals – hexavalency. However, the hexavalency of nickel is not oscillating (normally) ... except… perhaps one can imagine a nickel alloy, where the crystal structure is ideal to promote an oscillating change of valence on a short time scale.It goes without saying that when hydrogen goes from its molecular state, H2, to its atomic state, it also goes from diamagnetic repulsion to extreme susceptibility. This could provide rapid acceleration, unheard of at the macro level. At the sub-nanometer geometry, a proton with a single electron
[Vo]:Missing (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature?
This research could have relevance for LENR (but otherwise would be irrelevant to the field, and of course is not mentioned). The article is merely the golf tee for a long par-5 on the back nine :-) http://phys.org/news/2015-07-neutrons-magnetism-plutonium.html One aspect of this discovery goes to a broader interpretation (broader than merely explaining a feature of the element plutonium) - and it can be stated this way: there is a parameter called hidden magnetic flux which is a rapid natural oscillation at the atomic or atomic crystal structure level; and this rapid oscillation could be a feature of a number of elements and alloys, besides plutonium, including mu metals. For instance, a broader interpretation of this RD could (in the future) help explain why mu metals are so effective at absorbing magnetic flux. and more. Anyway, alloys where rapid self-flux is seen without external input, could be ideal matrices for LENR (this is supposition only as of now). In short, the present suggestion is that there could be a new magnetic phenomenon in play, which goes a long way towards explaining the magnetic relationship of hydrogen to the metal lattice, in enhanced LENR. The magnetic fluctuations (of the present research) are a result of differing numbers of electrons in plutonium's valence shell, which valence electron count is seen to CHANGE rapidly (this is heretofore unique in physics). Conventional EM theory, which has seldom been wrong, predicted long ago that the element plutonium should have strong magnetic ordering, like iron. However, no evidence for that magnetic ordering has been found until 70 years later - and only recently has plutonium's missing magnetism been resolved as an internal oscillation. IOW - it is temporary and oscillating without external input. This could be the kind of breakthrough in understanding of a number of unrelated systems. Using neutron scattering, the direct measurement of the elements fluctuating magnetism was witnessed - and the authors surmise a constant state of flux, making it nearly impossible to detect at the macro level, but very energetic locally. This has potential implications for LENR since the effect is seen at the atomic level, and although plutonium is not a proton conductor, there could easily be other alloys which react in a similar way to Pu (changing valence) and which would then be poised to moderate the movement of dissolved atomic hydrogen. For instance, nickel has a known but rarely encountered feature of several transition metals - hexavalency. However, the hexavalency of nickel is not oscillating (normally) ... except. perhaps one can imagine a nickel alloy, where the crystal structure is ideal to promote an oscillating change of valence on a short time scale. It goes without saying that when hydrogen goes from its molecular state, H2, to its atomic state, it also goes from diamagnetic repulsion to extreme susceptibility. This could provide rapid acceleration, unheard of at the macro level. At the sub-nanometer geometry, a proton with a single electron (aligned) has a 12.5 Tesla equivalent magnetic field. consequentially, acceleration gradients could be enormous. Do I get a mulligan, if this speculation is wrong? Will Janoschek include me on the paper if it is correct?
Re: [Vo]:Missing (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature?
This experiment shows what happens when a lot of matter is packed into a small volume of space. This situation is the play ground of quantum mechanics where its weird nature comes to the fore and the uncertainty principle is enhanced. There is a increase in the superposition of particles and the entanglement of their properties. It took science 50 years to determine the nuclear spin of Pu239 because of the changing nature of the makeup of the Pu239 nucleus. In this highly condensed state of matter, protons and neutrons are the same particle in a superposition. The properties of the particles that compile the nucleus behave as if they were waves in the ocean. These variations in spin, charge, and energies are reflected in the behavior of the electrons that orbit the nucleus. This is why the theories of Norman D. Cook and A. Rossi do not correspond to the real quantum mechanical nature of the nucleus. Protons and neutrons are not cue balls that stay put in a fixed location in space. These particles are sometimes protons and sometimes neutrons and oftentimes both protons and neutrons together. The more mass that is packed into a given volume of space, the weirder things get. The research recently done in heavy element collisions show that the combined nucleus behaves like a perfect liquid. So much matter is packed into a suxh a small volume that matter becomes a soup where all particles lose there individuality. On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 10:49 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: This research “could have” relevance for LENR (but otherwise would be irrelevant to the field, and of course is not mentioned). The article is merely the golf tee for a long par-5 on the back nine J *http://phys.org/news/2015-07-neutrons-magnetism-plutonium.html* http://phys.org/news/2015-07-neutrons-magnetism-plutonium.html One aspect of this discovery goes to a broader interpretation (broader than merely explaining a feature of the element plutonium) – and it can be stated this way: there is a parameter called “hidden magnetic flux” which is a rapid natural oscillation at the atomic or atomic crystal structure level; and this rapid oscillation could be a feature of a number of elements and alloys, besides plutonium, including mu metals. For instance, a broader interpretation of this RD could (in the future) help explain why mu metals are so effective at absorbing magnetic flux… and more. Anyway, alloys where rapid self-flux is seen without external input, could be ideal matrices for LENR (this is supposition only as of now). In short, the present suggestion is that there could be a new magnetic phenomenon in play, which goes a long way towards explaining the magnetic relationship of hydrogen to the metal lattice, in enhanced LENR. The magnetic fluctuations (of the present research) are a result of differ ing numbers of electrons in plutonium's valence shell, which valence electron count is seen to CHANGE rapidly (this is heretofore unique in physics). Conventional EM theory, which has seldom been wrong, predicted long ago that the element plutonium should have strong magnetic ordering, like iron. However, no evidence for that magnetic ordering has been found until 70 years later – and only recently has plutonium's missing magnetism been resolved as an internal oscillation. IOW – it is temporary and os cillating without external input. This could be the kind of breakthrough in understanding of a number of unrelated systems. Using neutron scattering, the direct measurement of the elements fluctuating magnetism was witnessed - and the authors surmise a constant state of flux, making it nearly impossible to detect at the macro level, but very energetic locally. This has potential implications for LENR since the effect is seen at the atomic level, and although plutonium is not a proton conductor, there could easily be other alloys which react in a similar way to Pu (changing valence) and which would then be poised to moderate the movement of dissolved atomic hydrogen. For instance, nickel has a known but rarely encountered feature of several transition metals – hexavalency. However, the hexavalency of nickel is not oscillating (normally) ... except… perhaps one can imagine a nickel alloy, where the crystal structure is ideal to promote an oscillating change of valence on a short time scale. It goes without saying that when hydrogen goes from its molecular state, H2, to its atomic state, it also goes from diamagnetic repulsion to extreme susceptibility. This could provide rapid acceleration, unheard of at the macro level. At the sub-nanometer geometry, a proton with a single electron (aligned) has a 12.5 Tesla equivalent magnetic field… consequentially, acceleration gradients could be enormous. Do I get a “mulligan”, if this speculation is wrong? Will Janoschek include me on the paper if it is correct?
Re: [Vo]:Missing (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature?
Missing (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature? Jones-- No Mulligans on the back nine. I doubt you will be included—maybe on his fourth follow-on paper. Was it all isotopes of Pu that showed the state of flux? I wonder how neutron scattering examination can observe oscillations without causing them Pu is pretty unstable under neutron exposure. Bob Cook From: Jones Beene Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 7:49 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Missing (hidden) magnetism - is this a more general feature? This research “could have” relevance for LENR (but otherwise would be irrelevant to the field, and of course is not mentioned). The article is merely the golf tee for a long par-5 on the back nine J http://phys.org/news/2015-07-neutrons-magnetism-plutonium.html One aspect of this discovery goes to a broader interpretation (broader than merely explaining a feature of the element plutonium) – and it can be stated this way: there is a parameter called “hidden magnetic flux” which is a rapid natural oscillation at the atomic or atomic crystal structure level; and this rapid oscillation could be a feature of a number of elements and alloys, besides plutonium, including mu metals. For instance, a broader interpretation of this RD could (in the future) help explain why mu metals are so effective at absorbing magnetic flux… and more. Anyway, alloys where rapid self-flux is seen without external input, could be ideal matrices for LENR (this is supposition only as of now). In short, the present suggestion is that there could be a new magnetic phenomenon in play, which goes a long way towards explaining the magnetic relationship of hydrogen to the metal lattice, in enhanced LENR. The magnetic fluctuations (of the present research) are a result of differing numbers of electrons in plutonium's valence shell, which valence electron count is seen to CHANGE rapidly (this is heretofore unique in physics). Conventional EM theory, which has seldom been wrong, predicted long ago that the element plutonium should have strong magnetic ordering, like iron. However, no evidence for that magnetic ordering has been found until 70 years later – and only recently has plutonium's missing magnetism been resolved as an internal oscillation. IOW – it is temporary and oscillating without external input. This could be the kind of breakthrough in understanding of a number of unrelated systems. Using neutron scattering, the direct measurement of the elements fluctuating magnetism was witnessed - and the authors surmise a constant state of flux, making it nearly impossible to detect at the macro level, but very energetic locally. This has potential implications for LENR since the effect is seen at the atomic level, and although plutonium is not a proton conductor, there could easily be other alloys which react in a similar way to Pu (changing valence) and which would then be poised to moderate the movement of dissolved atomic hydrogen. For instance, nickel has a known but rarely encountered feature of several transition metals – hexavalency. However, the hexavalency of nickel is not oscillating (normally) ... except… perhaps one can imagine a nickel alloy, where the crystal structure is ideal to promote an oscillating change of valence on a short time scale. It goes without saying that when hydrogen goes from its molecular state, H2, to its atomic state, it also goes from diamagnetic repulsion to extreme susceptibility. This could provide rapid acceleration, unheard of at the macro level. At the sub-nanometer geometry, a proton with a single electron (aligned) has a 12.5 Tesla equivalent magnetic field… consequentially, acceleration gradients could be enormous. Do I get a “mulligan”, if this speculation is wrong? Will Janoschek include me on the paper if it is correct?
[Vo]:Nickel hydride magnetism - was: Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
One further possibility for the magnetic anomaly. It's been mentioned earlier that in metallurgy, there is a unique metallic form of nickel-hydride which is stable all the way to the melting point of hydrogen. There is a Wiki article which explains some of this. Hydrogen essentially becomes metallic in this alloy, which is precisely one part hydrogen to fourteen parts Ni, where H becomes a true alloy (hydrogen can be no more than .002% of this alloy by mass). The structure is FCC with the monatomic hydrogen nested in the middle of 14 nickel atoms. It is extraordinarily stable but not often encountered, since extra hydrogen will destroy the FCC crystal by embrittlement and the alloy is difficult to produce. The $64 question relates to how fractional hydrogen f/H, which already can have a magnetic field which is hundreds of times more intense than the 12T field of monatomic hydrogen, would alter the ferromagnetic properties of this NiH alloy, even in the low percentage. The Curie temperature could be raised for instance and the coercivity greatly enhanced. Note that the neodymium magnets, the powerful ones which we are all familiar with, are mostly iron by far, and in fact the ratio is 14:2 (Fe14 Nd2B) which has a tetragonal crystalline structure not FCC. The point being that coercivity in a ferromagnetic material like iron or nickel can be controlled by smaller amount of another element. Essentially NiH in the proper ratio of 14:1 when the hydrogen is fraction could produce a unique magnet structure - and could exist as a permanent magnet at high temperature, and one wonders if not at high temperature ONLY. . since there is the possibility that the aligned field only develops under combined thermal agitation and EM input (from Rossi's resistive coils or DGTs pulsed discharge). From: David Roberson Excellent point Eric. Rossi appears to operate his ECAT at much higher temperatures than this while DGT was very close to it. I wonder if there is significance to the difference? -Original Message- From: Eric Walker Also note that the Curie temp for nickel is 357 C. I believe above that temperature nickel would lose any permanent magnetism. So if there is a strong field above that temperature, I assume it would be induced from something going on with the reaction. David Roberson wrote: Stack a zillion of these guys up and you might get a significant field at a distance. My take on this is that the size of the field needs to be clarified as well as the magnitude if it is real. It is too early for us to determine exactly what is occurring. Dave
RE: [Vo]:Nickel hydride magnetism - was: Defkalion/MFMP implications for electrolysis?
Oops - meant to say - melting point of nickel From: Jones Beene It's been mentioned earlier that in metallurgy, there is a unique metallic form of nickel-hydride which is stable all the way to the melting point of hydrogen.
Re: [Vo]:It Was Magnetism
I fell for it. Richard - Original Message - From: leaking pen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:It Was Magnetism Oooh, i had to steel my self for that one. The pun coppers should come and nickel and dime you to death with fines. To think that you would zinc to that level. If i had the winged cap of mercury, to fly from these puns. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message From: Terry Blanton Personally, I intended it as a joke. ...kinda iron-ic, ain't it? No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.4/1695 - Release Date: 9/27/2008 1:11 PM
Re: [Vo]:It Was Magnetism
Of course steel gets soft as it is heated. Blacksmiths would be very disappointed if it didn't. The role of any magnetic transition is irrelevant. Have people completely lost their common sense. The towers came down because the steel became too weak to support the weight. I wish people would focus on that part of the event that does not have a rational explanation rather than being distracted by nonsense. Ed On Sep 27, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: I knew it! I knew it! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/magnetic-forces-to-blame-for-911-tower-collapse-924509.html http://snipurl.com/3q99t [www_independent_co_uk]
Re: [Vo]:It Was Magnetism
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:32:13 -0500: Hi, [snip] I knew it! I knew it! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/magnetic-forces-to-blame-for-911-tower-collapse-924509.html [snip] ...and this magically only happened in the WTC, and has never happened to other steel structures elsewhere Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:It Was Magnetism
Personally, I intended it as a joke. Terry On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:32:13 -0500: Hi, [snip] I knew it! I knew it! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/magnetic-forces-to-blame-for-911-tower-collapse-924509.html [snip] ...and this magically only happened in the WTC, and has never happened to other steel structures elsewhere Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:It Was Magnetism
- Original Message From: Terry Blanton Personally, I intended it as a joke. ...kinda iron-ic, ain't it?
Re: [Vo]:It Was Magnetism
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:16:11 -0500: Hi, [snip] Personally, I intended it as a joke. That's fine, but for the sake of others I had to point out the obvious flaw. OTOH, if someone were doing John Hutchison experiments...(see http://drjudywood.com/articles/JJ/) ;) Terry On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:32:13 -0500: Hi, [snip] I knew it! I knew it! http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/magnetic-forces-to-blame-for-911-tower-collapse-924509.html [snip] ...and this magically only happened in the WTC, and has never happened to other steel structures elsewhere Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Vo]:It Was Magnetism
Oooh, i had to steel my self for that one. The pun coppers should come and nickel and dime you to death with fines. To think that you would zinc to that level. If i had the winged cap of mercury, to fly from these puns. On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message From: Terry Blanton Personally, I intended it as a joke. ...kinda iron-ic, ain't it?
